L4[03:13:41] <Forec​aster> %tonkout

L5[03:13:43] <MichiBot> Jeepers! Forec​aster! You beat your own previous record of 3 hours, 14 minutes and 31 seconds (By 29 minutes and 20 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L6[03:13:44] <MichiBot> Forec​aster has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.003 tonk points! plus 0.004 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 1.03846824, Position #1

L7[03:41:27] <Va​ur> %sip

L8[03:41:29] <MichiBot> You drink a resonating nectar potion (New!). As Vaur drinks the potion they seem to have become magnetic and An impossible geometric shape flies towards them! They fail to evade it with a 10 vs DC 14 and takes 1d​6 => 3 damage.

L13[05:24:57] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER: you should figure out how to wrangle the people mask again

L14[05:29:09] <Amanda> There, let's see if that works to stop my secutiry camera generating alerts for people just walking down the sidewalk

L15[05:37:53] <Ocawes​ome101> %tonk

L16[05:37:54] <MichiBot> Goshhawk! Ocawes​ome101! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of <0 (By 2 hours, 24 minutes and 11 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L17[05:37:55] <MichiBot> Ocawesome101's new record is 2 hours, 24 minutes and 11 seconds! Ocawesome101 also gained 0.0024 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #3. Need 0.0301308 more points to pass Va​ur!

L18[05:38:04] <Ocawes​ome101> %sip

L19[05:38:04] <MichiBot> You drink an oxidised quicksilver potion (New!). Ocawesome101's skin turn the color of void until the next time they hug someone.

L20[05:42:54] <Va​ur> %sip

L21[05:42:56] <MichiBot> You drink a runny white potion (New!). The next glass of water Vaur has tastes like Jumbonium.

L22[07:07:56] <S​3> HVAC and PLC control systems are a joke. It's 2023 and new control units are STILL BEING MANUFACTURED WITHOUT BASIC FEATURES SUCH AS DHCP. Wth is wrong with these software teams. Are they dumb?

L23[07:07:57] <S​3> I would be happier if these people just exposed rollover ports as a serial console and required a terminal server or something instead rather than trying to make an all in one unit that cant even tie its own shoes in a network. If they're too stupid to support basic network needs then why bother at all.

L24[07:42:54] <Amanda> But then they can't charge you for a technician to come out and change the IP if your network ever changes

L27[08:36:22] <stephan48> security-me would say that DHCP requires a parser and privileged ports and something speaking it. embedded shit is constrained enough with probably enough attack vectors as it is.. but then yes indeed better isolate the device with a network to serial bridge before stupidity happens.

L28[08:38:18] <stephan48> (which is the same argument i heard from industry folks about ipv6... more complex stuff, required more complex handling in software, henceforth no ipv6)

L29[09:03:53] <gruetzkopf> lots of "dhcp support explicitely disallowed by very big customer"

L30[09:14:41] <Amanda> I guess it _could_ be an attack vector, access the HVAC and set the temperature/settings to something that causes a fire

L31[09:15:14] <Amanda> and with dhcp being broadcast anybody on the network could learn it's ip

L32[10:28:56] <Forec​aster> %tonkout

L33[10:28:56] <MichiBot> Bejabbers! Forec​aster! You beat Ocawes​ome101's previous record of 2 hours, 24 minutes and 11 seconds (By 2 hours, 26 minutes and 50 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L34[10:28:57] <MichiBot> Forec​aster has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.004 tonk points! plus 0.003 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 1.04696824. Position #1

L35[10:46:34] <Amanda> %choose halucinate or try and be productive again

L36[10:46:35] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Pretty sure I'd want you to go with "halucinate"!

L37[10:46:40] <Amanda> sounds good

L38[10:51:52] <Forec​aster> but the productivity statistics!

L39[11:30:03] <S​3> So like, we enforce arp inspection, so if the switch sees you perform a DHCP request, it lets it through, and if you get assigned an IP address, you get a dynamic entry in the switch that says that vlan and that port and that mac can transfer more than just DHCP

L40[11:30:39] <S​3> So the moment somebody brings something on the table that doesn't do DHCP it's like, annoying because it means we have to put static entries for your vlan and port and ip address on the right switch tucked in the config somewhere.

L41[11:31:44] <S​3> We also automatically shut ports off immediately if DHCP offers and the like are sent from any access ports

L42[11:37:47] <S​3> Also you don't need a parser to implement DHCP, you just need to be able to pack and unpack structures. The weirdest thing about DHCP you might need is raw IP layer access so that you can send and receive packets without an IP address.

L43[11:42:16] <S​3> On our network, nobody can see anyone elses DHCP requests. But even so, Either way it's very basic, stephan48. There's really no excuse not to have that in 2023.

L44[11:44:11] <stephan48> That means you are doing 99,5% more security than everyone else. Applaudable.

L45[11:44:26] <stephan48> the rest of the world is a cesspool through

L46[11:44:36] <S​3> I agree

L47[11:45:05] <S​3> we have more than 50,000 ethernet ports. We have to consider stuff like that. It's not just security, the ARP traffic alone could bring computers down.

L48[11:45:42] <stephan48> i am very pro dhcp, i have worked with people on the embedded side through, they are more often than not happy that they are allowed web dashboards instead of proprietary broadcast package based shit

L49[11:45:50] <stephan48> Yes

L50[11:46:03] <S​3> We had that happen where one department contracted someone to put a bunch of HDMI over IP boxes in and the vlan was so big the ARP traffic denial of serviced the devices, they were crashing from buffer overflows XD

L51[11:46:26] <stephan48> Often you engage in heavy segmentation and splitting of broadcast domains.

L52[11:46:34] <stephan48> Haha

L53[11:46:55] <stephan48> "Just plug shit in it won't mind"

L54[11:46:59] <S​3> Well the big problem was that , they didn't communicate it with us what the expectations were

L55[11:47:11] <stephan48> And then complain when IT witchhunts users

L56[11:47:31] <S​3> they kept on trying to tell us they needed like 20 gbit, so we gave them a 20 gbit link, and it turns out, they were only using a few gbit, but the devices just couldn't take it.

L57[11:47:37] <S​3> It was a shit show for sure

L58[11:48:13] <stephan48> we once had an order of glue guns from the first level support

L59[11:48:16] <S​3> They completely miscaleculated and underestimated a lot of things

L60[11:48:28] <S​3> What

L61[11:48:37] <stephan48> HDMI has 19gbit max rate :P

L62[11:48:49] <stephan48> So i get where they came from

L63[11:48:50] <S​3> sigh

L64[11:49:03] <stephan48> But still IP boxes dont use that

L65[11:49:49] <S​3> Well now they're fighting with the issue that they need MDNS and Apple works fine, but Microsoft Windows forcrs WiFi direct for MDNS and ignores MDNS over a general Wifi network

L66[11:49:52] <S​3> so they're kinda fucked

L67[11:50:02] <S​3> That one is shame on Microsoft but

L68[11:50:07] <stephan48> Our first level guy was so damn close to just glueing in all network cables into walls and PCs we had to send him on a forces two week holiday

L69[11:50:31] <S​3> It took us the extent of setting up Wireshark and sitting down and watching it for them to tell them wth was going on

L70[11:50:31] <stephan48> Forced

L71[11:51:01] <S​3> Yeah I don't know why they do that. If you perform an MDNS query, Windows will just use wifi direct or it won't work and it will just return a failure.

L72[11:51:17] <stephan48> Fun

L73[11:51:23] <S​3> It doesn't send MDNS over your connetced wifi network ever, while Apple computers do

L74[11:51:37] <S​3> Yeah. This works fine when you're directly talking to a device

L75[11:51:43] <stephan48> does it do it over ethernet?

L76[11:51:48] <S​3> but when the device you're casting to is in a network closet a few floors down

L77[11:52:18] <S​3> Nope. It won't do it for miracast at least

L78[11:52:40] <stephan48> Hahaha

L79[11:53:18] <S​3> Yeah so apparently Windows will just sit there and wait for wifi direct probes from your miracast device

L80[11:53:54] <S​3> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/openspecs/windows_protocols/ms-mice/9598ca72-d937-466c-95f6-70401bb10bdb

L81[11:55:16] <Va​ur> %tonk

L82[11:55:18] <MichiBot> Dagnabbit! Va​ur! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of <0 (By 1 hour, 26 minutes and 21 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L83[11:55:19] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 1 hour, 26 minutes and 21 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.00144 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.03781963 more points to pass Forec​aster!

L84[11:55:42] <S​3> So you see it -can- do MDNS over ethernet or regular wifi, but it HAS to receive a wifi direct probe from the end device FIRST

L85[11:56:08] <S​3> And only Microsoft does this

L86[12:22:23] <Forec​aster> %sip

L87[12:22:23] <MichiBot> You drink an excluded rainbow potion (New!). Forecaster turns into a ruby golem until hell celebrates midsummer.

L88[12:27:26] <stephan48> and their Miracast devices will probably do this :P

L89[13:01:49] <Va​ur> %sip

L90[13:01:50] <MichiBot> You drink a hairy automato potion (New!). A swinging blade comes flying towards Vaur from nowhere! They fail to evade it with a 13 vs DC 16 and takes 1d​8 => 3 damage.

L91[13:39:54] <Ocawes​ome101> %sip

L92[13:39:55] <MichiBot> You drink a redacted jumbonium potion (New!). Ocawesome101's left sock is now cursed.

L93[13:40:06] <Ocawes​ome101> %tonk

L94[13:40:06] <MichiBot> Zoinks! Ocawes​ome101! You beat Va​ur's previous record of 1 hour, 26 minutes and 21 seconds (By 18 minutes and 27 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L95[13:40:07] <MichiBot> Ocawesome101's new record is 1 hour, 44 minutes and 48 seconds! Ocawesome101 also gained 0.00062 (0.00031 x 2) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #3. Need 0.0309508 more points to pass Va​ur!

L96[13:54:57] <Va​ur> %sip

L97[13:54:57] <MichiBot> You drink a warpy apple potion (New!). The bottle turns into a piece of bacon. Vaur has found 1 piece of bacon so far. (Rem. uses: 0)

L98[15:32:51] <Va​ur> %tonk

L99[15:32:51] <MichiBot> Jeepers! Va​ur! You beat Ocawes​ome101's previous record of 1 hour, 44 minutes and 48 seconds (By 7 minutes and 56 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L100[15:32:52] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 1 hour, 52 minutes and 45 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.00026 (0.00013 x 2) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.03755963 more points to pass Forec​aster!

L101[15:32:57] <Va​ur> %sip

L102[15:32:57] <MichiBot> You drink a permitted automato potion (New!). Gravity reverses for Vaur for 60 minutes.

L103[17:36:58] <! Little​Timmy52 !> What's the best way to copy a whole repo to a floppy?

L104[17:41:06] <Izzy> a whole repo

L105[17:41:23] <Izzy> like, download the whole thing? there's a program on the forums for that IIRC

L106[17:46:57] <! Little​Timmy52 !> I think there was something called repoinstaller

L107[17:47:04] <! Little​Timmy52 !> I'm try to find it

L108[17:47:06] <CompanionCube> does whole repo include the .git?

L109[17:47:33] <CompanionCube> %inv add viido gaming mouse

L111[17:50:47] <ar2​000> https://github.com/AR2000AR/openComputers_codes/blob/master/repo-installer/README.md

L112[17:50:55] <ar2​000> @! LittleTimmy52 !

L113[17:52:36] <ar2​000> Made by Izaya originally. My version is slightly fixed and modified (for api rate limit and a old oppm bug that is now fixed)

L114[17:56:48] <Izzy> yeah here's the original version https://git.shadowkat.net/izaya/OC-misc/src/branch/master/repo-installer

L115[18:10:13] <! Little​Timmy52 !> Oh thanks saved me time digging

L116[18:13:55] <ar2​000> The link to the original is literally the first line in the readme

L117[18:14:16] <Izzy> I did not look :)

L118[18:16:08] <luna​r_sam> balling https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/125649403162656768/1144440038600495135/image.png

L119[18:54:22] <S​3> I think we need a new microwave

L120[18:54:32] <S​3> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/125649403162656768/1144449703887511592/PXL_20230825_003850497.TS.mp4

L121[19:12:00] <techt​astic> Message contained 4 or more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/jafoxebife

L122[19:36:26] <CompanionCube> %tonk

L123[19:36:26] <MichiBot> Wut! Compan​ionCube! You beat Va​ur's previous record of 1 hour, 52 minutes and 45 seconds (By 2 hours, 10 minutes and 49 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L124[19:36:27] <MichiBot> CompanionCube's new record is 4 hours, 3 minutes and 34 seconds! CompanionCube also gained 0.00436 (0.00218 x 2) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #4. Need 0.04919156 more points to pass Ocawes​ome101!

L125[19:56:23] <Ocawes​ome101> %sip

L126[19:56:24] <MichiBot> You drink a bald silver potion (New!). The potion contained a computer virus! It changed Ocawesome101's theme to one they don't like!

L128[20:06:46] <Amanda> Hopefully my tablet will work tomorrow, I accidentally let it's battery run out

L129[20:07:05] <Amanda> Night girls

L133[23:37:47] <CompanionCube> %tonkout

L134[23:37:47] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Compan​ionCube, you were not able to beat Compan​ionCube's record of 4 hours, 3 minutes and 34 seconds this time. 4 hours, 1 minute and 20 seconds were wasted! Missed by 2 minutes and 13 seconds!

L135[23:38:04] <CompanionCube> ah dammit