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L1[00:00:22] <Mic​hiyo> THOUGH.. going this route, after I get the MD1200, the new SAS HBA... I save $100, but I'm also then 24TB of storage short of just buying the new R510 lol
L2[00:00:52] <SickWhale> It makes you happy isn't it? :D
L3[00:02:09] <jackie> Also cheap PERC H300 or H210 reflashed to HBA mode work very well and are cheap (but they are just sas6g not sas12g sadly)
L4[00:02:14] <Mic​hiyo> jackie, only reason I'm looking at Dell kit is because I bought 2 of these servers from work for cheap... and since I already HAVE Dell stuff, I might as well stick with it.
L5[00:04:08] <jackie> Yeah I thought so. That's also the reason I have HP stuff ^^ (mixing is not a problem for those storage shelfes though. I have one MSA60 in use with a dell r620. the downside of building infrastructure on a basically zero budget is that you take waht you get :P)
L6[00:04:26] <Mic​hiyo> heh very true.
L7[00:05:46] <dequbed> The upside is that every problem you have can be at the very least solved by throwing money at it.
L8[00:05:59] <jackie> The sad part is that my dad glady took our old hardware (g6 and g7 hp servers) to use for testing infrastructure and git/svn servers at the company he works for because management dictates "everything for a project has to be hostet by the customer" and forgets that their devs need infrastructure too :P
L9[00:06:47] <Mic​hiyo> I've never actually USED an external SAS enclosure, I assume I'm right in that I just need a HBA that exposes the right ports out the back, and cables.. lol
L10[00:08:34] <jackie> @Michiyo as long as you get a "dumb disk shelf" and not a storage array/san yes. (SANs with SAS uplink are annoying because it's hard to tell the difference by just looking at them ^^)
L11[00:09:33] <Mic​hiyo> Oh hmm, https://www.ebay.com/itm/313932722632?epid=1641637705&hash=item4917d931c8:g:UaIAAOSw1VBhWc0L says NAS/SAN Enclosure.
L12[00:09:52] <jackie> also you *can* use SAS multipathing for faster storage if you have dual-link capable sas drives but it makes the setup on the server side a bit annoying (you have to setup multipath-tools and at least the proxmox ceph stuff doesn't allow setting up ceph osds from the gui on multipath devices)
L13[00:09:52] <SickWhale> Heck. We'll have a long way ahead of us.
L14[00:10:56] <Mic​hiyo> I had Proxmox running on my R815 off an iSCSI share from the R510, I hated my life... lol
L15[00:11:16] <Mic​hiyo> Anyway, gotta run for a bit
L16[00:11:44] <jackie> @Michiyo as far as I can tell teh MD1200 is just a disk shelf ("storage expansion" is usually a good keyword). Also it doesn't have a management ethernet port which is a good sign too
L17[00:12:29] <Mic​hiyo> Alright, good to know, thanks.
L18[00:14:38] <dequbed> Let's be real, the only good time dealing with anything SCSI is fun if it's this SCSI: https://twitter.com/Gamedev_Rose/status/1507220544101355521
L19[00:14:47] <jackie> Proxmox + CEPH is just sooooo nice to use and works out of the box. combined with fully redundant networking (ospf + vxlan = <3) I now have a setup that is fully redundant and I can do maintainance on a host without downtime.
L20[00:14:47] <jackie> If Proxmox didn't exist, my setup there would be so much more annoying xD
L21[00:15:01] <jackie> dequbed: YES! :D
L22[00:17:12] <SickWhale> The heck did you setup that you needed proxmox?
L23[00:17:22] <jackie> Also I do know since yesterday that those HP G8 Servers survive a drop from ~80cm onto asphalt without a problem :P (the road has a dent now and the plastik rack ear cover of the server broke but apart from that everything is working fine ^^)
L24[00:18:11] <dequbed> "Needed proxmox" you make it sound like proxmox is the big girl solution x)
L25[00:18:53] <SickWhale> Are you a small girl then? Then heck are you trying to prove?
L26[00:20:15] <M​GR> I'm starting to think that you aren't 30 and/or don't have much experience with the technical side of computers
L27[00:20:17] <dequbed> I have no need to prove anything to anybody, least of all you. But proxmox just isn't the software that you'd use for big setups. Its meant for smallish setups with base level redundancy
L28[00:20:20] <jackie> SickWhale: I admin the IT infrastructure of two student teams (The local formula student team and the local space team). For both there is quite a bit of infrastructure required to keep things running (website, nextcloud, big NAS, VMs for high performance computing for CFD simulations, gitlab and a lot more). Having those virtualised on fully redundant hardware takes a lot of stress because in case of hardware failure I can just boot up the VM on
L29[00:20:20] <jackie> another host and worry about driving into the datacenter in a day or two instead of right now.
L30[00:21:29] <SickWhale> So another layer.
L31[00:23:59] <SickWhale> Having VM prepared should be no stress at all.
L32[00:24:00] <jackie> The moment you have >100 people depend on the infrastructure you build, you are *very* glad to have redundancy and no single point of failure on the hardware layer. having VMs/Containers I can move around on hosts means I can do maintainance on the hosts without downtime. I just upgraded the cluster from 3 DL380 G6 to 5 DL360p G8 with a total service downtime of less then 200ms. Also it makes backups really easy
L33[00:24:20] <Kilobyte> I'm working for a hosting company managing around 1k systems. Proxmox likely would not work for us. It's not for every one. I'm also part of a non commercial organisation using Proxmox for HA and it's just about the best we can get. It really depends on your usecase.
L34[00:24:24] <dequbed> I mean yeah, that's what virtualization boils down to. An abstraction layer. Proxmox just makes it reasonably low enough efford to do so
L35[00:24:56] <SickWhale> I can't find any reason for proxmox to live though.
L36[00:25:14] <dequbed> Sounds like inexperience to me. There are plenty.
L37[00:25:22] <Kilobyte> Saying "X is the only good solution" is stupid.
L38[00:25:50] <SickWhale> X is old.
L39[00:26:09] <jackie> SickWhale: For many usecases there currently is no better solution out there. Especially if you are not keen on paying 6-figure amoutns of money
L40[00:26:43] <SickWhale> Never had a chance to meet such a soluton to be honest.
L41[00:26:48] <Kilobyte> Proxmox, once set up, does a fairly good job
L42[00:27:02] * dequbed refills the popcorn machine
L43[00:27:12] <dequbed> with jackie and Kilo being here this is bound to be fun
L44[00:27:28] <M​GR> SickWhale, I recommend internalizing the realization that your experience is not all experience
L45[00:27:28] <Kilobyte> I'm pretty drunk, so yes
L46[00:27:38] <jackie> I usually go with what dequbed said and usually assume someone knows what they are talking about but talking about virtualization solutions and system administration you just proven to me that you obviously have no idea what you are talking about
L47[00:28:08] <SickWhale> I am really confused when this stuff mentions LXC as a virtualization.
L48[00:28:28] <Kilobyte> It is.
L49[00:28:40] <dequbed> @MGR no noo let them have it. Those two can wipe the floor with them on a *really* entertaining level. Just sit back and get yourself some popcorn :D
L50[00:28:51] <Kilobyte> You share a kernel but from the perspective of the userspace it's basically a vm
L51[00:28:59] <M​GR> Nah, I'm good
L52[00:29:23] <SickWhale> It's very confusing no way you look at it.
L53[00:29:25] <sapphicf​ettucine> oh are we doing a sysadmin ring fight
L54[00:29:32] <M​GR> The people currently deserving of destruction are not in this server
L55[00:29:36] <Kilobyte> Of course
L56[00:29:46] <M​GR> >SickWhale: It's very confusing no way you look at it.
L57[00:29:47] <M​GR> I'm not confused at all
L58[00:30:14] <SickWhale> All OS processes should be restricted to the local OS.
L59[00:30:29] <dequbed> @sapphicfettucine Lol this isn't going to be much of a fight. Kilo alone could win this blindfolded with his hands behind his back, metaphorically speaking. And he's not even alone this time :D
L60[00:30:32] <M​GR> SickWhale, have you ever worked with any kind of virtualization?
L61[00:30:46] <jackie> @MGR doesn't look like it
L62[00:30:56] <sapphicf​ettucine> >dequbed: <@722196443514798181> Lol this isn't going to be much of a fight. Kilo alone could …
L63[00:30:56] <sapphicf​ettucine> lmao
L64[00:31:26] <Kilobyte> dequbed: I had around 5 beers and 3 Longdrinks, so I'm handicapped.
L65[00:31:36] <SickWhale> Coulda, launching stuff through ansible, more through Azure and I never cared what came out of it. It uses some hacked up version of ubuntu anyways.
L66[00:31:52] <M​GR> You "could have" worked with virtualization?
L67[00:31:54] <sapphicf​ettucine> but yeah, this is just called OS-level virtualization: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS-level_virtualization&gt;
L68[00:31:56] <dequbed> keep this up and this may even become a fair fight. If you had enough drinks that you fell asleep that is.
L69[00:32:02] <M​GR> Also, ansible isn't virtualization
L70[00:32:04] <sapphicf​ettucine> it's the principle behind a ton of stuff, like docker
L71[00:32:14] <SickWhale> No. Ansible isn't virtualization.
L72[00:32:22] <Kilobyte> Fyi: im getting paid for 6 years for managing Linux systems
L73[00:32:27] <SickWhale> It's a tool to manage stuff.
L74[00:32:28] <M​GR> Then why did you mention it when I asked if you used virtualization?
L75[00:32:43] <SickWhale> Oh come on. I did because I used it.
L76[00:32:53] <SickWhale> Youre the ones who want to catch me.
L77[00:32:54] <Kilobyte> And I'm still umexperienced compared to my coworkery
L78[00:32:55] <dequbed> Kilobyte: Not quite. You've been grossly underpaid since 6 years for managing linux systems.
L79[00:33:02] <Kilobyte> Fair point
L80[00:33:07] <M​GR> You're the one who keeps sticking his head into terrible situations
L81[00:33:16] <M​GR> Don't say things that you can't back up
L82[00:33:20] <SickWhale> Sure. I like it thought.
L83[00:33:44] <M​GR> Then no complaining allowed
L84[00:33:46] <DaCompu​terNerd> %sip
L85[00:33:47] <MichiBot> You drink a sedimented ferozium potion (New!). A bard starts playing a lute behind DaComputerNerd until Sozin's Comet returns.
L86[00:33:55] <sapphicf​ettucine> >MGR: Don't say things that you can't back up
L87[00:33:55] <sapphicf​ettucine> [2tb file with only 1tb back up capacity]
L88[00:33:58] <SickWhale> I used to launch CentOS servers before they got weird.
L89[00:34:15] <SickWhale> I am much of a RPM guy.\
L90[00:34:22] <sapphicf​ettucine> good ol' red hat
L91[00:34:33] <Kilobyte> How much money would be lost if the server breaks?
L92[00:34:43] <SickWhale> Shitton I guess.
L93[00:34:53] <Kilobyte> How many digits?
L94[00:34:53] <SickWhale> But never happened. Go docker for that.
L95[00:34:54] <DaCompu​terNerd> I use fedora but pretty much only because that's what my friend had a flash drive for while I was complaining about windows that one time
L96[00:35:02] <M​GR> >SickWhale: Shitton I guess.
L97[00:35:02] <M​GR> Press X to doubt
L98[00:35:02] <SickWhale> Millions at least.
L99[00:35:22] <DaCompu​terNerd> I don't know enough about other distros to dislike them lol
L100[00:35:24] <SickWhale> Worked in the telecommunication industry.
L101[00:35:33] <Kilobyte> I highly doubt that any sane person would let you near systems that sensible.
L102[00:35:49] <Kilobyte> At least from what you show here right now.
L103[00:35:50] <SickWhale> You overestimate average engineer.
L104[00:36:01] <dequbed> Kilobyte: I mean ... I wish that were true. There are some glaringly incompetent people working critical jobs sadly :(
L105[00:36:14] <M​GR> >SickWhale: You overestimate average engineer.
L106[00:36:14] <M​GR> I work with at least a dozen network engineers. To be frank, any one of them could absolutely wipe the floor with you
L107[00:36:18] <sapphicf​ettucine> >DaComputerNerd: I don't know enough about other distros to dislike them lol
L108[00:36:18] <sapphicf​ettucine> they're all fine, but getting into arguments about them is a tradition
L109[00:36:20] <Kilobyte> dequbed: Don't remind me of that please
L110[00:36:53] <CompanionCube> this all has a weird vibe to it
L111[00:36:58] <SickWhale> I never had an issue with the people I had to work with. Might be that I just separate my own life from that.
L112[00:37:01] <sapphicf​ettucine> it really does
L113[00:37:27] <jackie> CompanionCube: yep
L114[00:37:27] <Kilobyte> Now admittedly, until a month ago, I only worked in academia
L115[00:37:34] <SickWhale> And my job wasn't that much important.
L116[00:37:49] <Kilobyte> Academia is - weird
L117[00:37:52] <sapphicf​ettucine> >Kilobyte: Now admittedly, until a month ago, I only worked in academia
L118[00:37:52] <sapphicf​ettucine> as someone who also worked in academia: my sincere condolences
L119[00:38:11] <sapphicf​ettucine> 6 years of being a tech in academia sounds like hell
L120[00:38:21] <SickWhale> The heck is academia tho?
L121[00:38:30] <Kilobyte> University IT
L122[00:38:36] <DaCompu​terNerd> All I know is fedora > windows
L123[00:38:39] <Kilobyte> Not industry
L124[00:38:40] <sapphicf​ettucine> the 7th circle of hell
L125[00:38:59] <SickWhale> Fedora is great. I recommend Silverblue/Kinoite.
L126[00:39:17] <Kilobyte> Very relaxed job. But also very underpaid
L127[00:39:32] <jackie> @DaComputerNerd fedora is pretty nice. easy to use and comes with relatively up-to-date software while still being stable. has been my dad's distro of choice for over 15 years now ^^
L128[00:39:33] <dequbed> @DaComputerNerd nah it really isn't. They serve very different purposes.
L129[00:39:53] <sapphicf​ettucine> well, i will argue that modern desktop windows is pretty rough
L130[00:40:05] <sapphicf​ettucine> not because the core of it is bad, just, microsoft
L131[00:40:14] <sapphicf​ettucine> and the registration requirements, and cortana, and all
L132[00:40:15] <SickWhale> Fedora is nice for desktop. On servers you might catch weird behaviour.
L133[00:40:24] <SickWhale> So I switched to container based.
L134[00:40:40] <SickWhale> Different approach but stable as heck.
L135[00:40:55] <Kilobyte> I'm very happy to have very few container things
L136[00:41:03] <DaCompu​terNerd> I should clarify, for what I was doing it blew it out of the water
L137[00:41:03] <Kilobyte> Less moving parts.
L138[00:41:16] <DaCompu​terNerd> Frankly, on that laptop, it actually was better for gaming too lol
L139[00:41:22] <dequbed> @sapphicf​ettucine Well I mean Windows in enterprise settings has to deal with very little of that.
L140[00:41:22] <SickWhale> Depends on what youre doing I guess.
L141[00:41:25] <Kilobyte> Especially docker. There are very few good reasons for it.
L142[00:41:33] <SickWhale> I have a couple of servers running.
L143[00:41:35] <sapphicf​ettucine> oh yeah, windows enterprise is a whole different thing
L144[00:41:38] <DaCompu​terNerd> More of my steam library ran on Linux than on windows on there due to how much better it ran with linux
L145[00:41:47] <SickWhale> Two minecraft instances and one Conan.
L146[00:41:58] <SickWhale> Each separated in it's own container.
L147[00:42:01] <sapphicf​ettucine> i run two servers that rely pretty heavily on docker
L148[00:42:03] <SickWhale> Tidy as heck.
L149[00:42:04] <sapphicf​ettucine> i don't, like it
L150[00:42:07] <Kilobyte> (there are situations for which docker is great, but it's overused by a factor of 10)
L151[00:42:19] <DaCompu​terNerd> My drive was also wearing down to where windows was still running startup processes a half hour after booting
L152[00:42:20] <sapphicf​ettucine> but it's a lot of stuff from different devs, often not experienced in deployment and sys admin stuff
L153[00:42:25] <sapphicf​ettucine> so it helps a lot to get them started
L154[00:43:06] <SickWhale> Imo that isn't a good arguement.
L155[00:43:09] <DaCompu​terNerd> That was the particular problem that made my friend give me a fedora install in the first place lol
L156[00:43:14] <sapphicf​ettucine> i mean
L157[00:43:15] <Kilobyte> Also, there are cases where Windows is pretty nice. Really. I'd never want to touch it, but I understand why people like it
L158[00:43:16] <jackie> Docker has some great usecases but a majority of what people use it for it is definitely not ideal
L159[00:43:19] <sapphicf​ettucine> it works in this use case
L160[00:43:20] <dequbed> @DaComputerNerd I mean there's plenty situations where a Linux distro is better suited than a Windows one. It's just not as easy as saying "Fedora is better than Windows" without qualifying that statement.
L161[00:43:24] <sapphicf​ettucine> it is not ideal for 90% of cases
L162[00:43:29] <DaCompu​terNerd> Fair fair
L163[00:43:48] <DaCompu​terNerd> Honestly though windows infuriates me more and more with each day
L164[00:44:13] <SickWhale> Windows makes you lick unix and then you just crave more.
L165[00:44:21] <Kilobyte> I'm really happy I don't have to touch Windows at work. Doesn't mean it's crap.
L166[00:44:49] <sapphicf​ettucine> but: having ~30 different services from like, ~10 different people, all with different requirements in terms of languages, deps, env.. it helps a lot to not have to deal with managing environments for all of those, specially for a team of two volunteer sysadmins
L167[00:44:54] <DaCompu​terNerd> Recently it's started to randomly automatically connect to my neighbor's unsecure wifi instead of my own. Others report similar problems, and get redirected to the windows 8 install forum
L168[00:45:10] <Kilobyte> In fact I have high respect for our windows admins
L169[00:45:14] <SickWhale> You could work on windows but making it work is an entirely different beast.
L170[00:45:25] <jackie> I'm sorta the one people ask at work with their windows problems. which is pretty funny considering I havne't really actively used windows in nearly a decade now
L171[00:46:03] <DaCompu​terNerd> But yeah every network is now permanently set to connect automatically, except ones you have a saved password for
L172[00:46:05] <jackie> (also I'm the only one in our company that sorta knows their way around azuare AD stuff and I absolutely hate it)
L173[00:46:16] <Kilobyte> It's nice to work in a department with like 20 Linux admins and 3 Windows admins :P
L174[00:46:21] <dequbed> I mean it's still AD it will never be good.
L175[00:46:32] <SickWhale> Cant escape AD.
L176[00:46:35] <jackie> dequbed: yes but it is even worse than a real AD
L177[00:46:38] <jackie> *a lot*
L178[00:46:40] <dequbed> But Azure AD is *so much better* than ye olden days AD
L179[00:46:49] <DaCompu​terNerd> The more I use windows, the more I hate it, and I don't get the same feeling with fedora
L180[00:46:52] <sapphicf​ettucine> ooh exact opposite opinions lmao
L181[00:46:54] <dequbed> Like it actually does crypto for fucking once
L182[00:47:06] <SickWhale> You mean setting up sssd and then wondering why it crashes every time?
L183[00:47:09] <Kilobyte> dequbed: in some cases I'm actually jealous of windows admins. For example GPOs
L184[00:47:17] <dequbed> @sapphicfettucine no not at all. Jackies talking from a features/usability standpoint I am talking from a protocol/security standpoint
L185[00:47:27] <sapphicf​ettucine> true!
L186[00:47:52] <sapphicf​ettucine> to be fair, if anything has a "ye olden days", you should be rightfully scared of any thing it does involving cryptography
L187[00:48:11] <jackie> dequbed: but it is a nightmare to work with. the azure stuff is just broken at so many places. there are even features they sell you a license for just to then tell you that you need a local AD for it to work (and youcould've used that feature on the local ad without a license)
L188[00:48:17] <dequbed> And I just perpetually want to burn anything that came from that hellspawn X.500 so Azure AD moving away from that even if it's just a little bit is a godsent
L189[00:48:18] <SickWhale> Ye olden days involved downloading a binary and praying.
L190[00:48:43] <sapphicf​ettucine> this is "deeply haunted solaris makefile" erasure
L191[00:49:03] <SickWhale> Solaris is an entirely different beast.
L192[00:49:04] <dequbed> jackie: Oh yeah totally. Doesn't mean it's not *better* in terms of security.
L193[00:49:26] <SickWhale> Just because it was inaccessible it wasn't secure.
L194[00:49:47] <jackie> best part: the documentation on the MS website for azuer ad constantly is behind about half a year or even more to the actual state which means you search for some feature and it's just not there :P
L195[00:49:55] <SickWhale> Wait, my english beat me. IT was supposed to be otherwise. xD
L196[00:50:19] <dequbed> jackie: Azure AD is "have a Windows Specialist on standby" territory.
L197[00:50:32] <sapphicf​ettucine> hey, "was"? it's still alive, don't declare it's death before it actually dies :p
L198[00:50:38] <SickWhale> That's just Azure motto.
L199[00:51:10] <jackie> also funny storry: got credentials for a azure ad domain admin but it has 2fa enabled? no problem! join a windows pc to the domain using said credentials and just click on the "X" of the window asking for the 2fa key. join and login is successful and you can then use powershell to disable 2fa domain wide! :P
L200[00:51:18] <SickWhale> Had to delve with Azure on my previous job. They were "supporting" all year long.
L201[00:51:35] <sapphicf​ettucine> >jackie: also funny storry: got credentials for a azure ad domain admin but it has 2fa enabl…
L202[00:51:35] <sapphicf​ettucine> opsec more like oopsec
L203[00:51:39] <SickWhale> But didn't do stuff when we accidentally enabled K8s insights.
L204[00:51:46] <SickWhale> Ate thousands of euro.
L205[00:51:58] <SickWhale> Greedy fecks.
L206[00:52:03] <Kilobyte> I'm very happy almost all M$ stuff is on premises for us
L207[00:52:14] <dequbed> jackie: That's what you get if you try to connect Windows Kerberos to sensible tech. :P
L208[00:52:23] <Kilobyte> Then again, I don't really care about Windows
L209[00:52:23] <SickWhale> They didnt found a way to suck you then.
L210[00:53:05] <CompanionCube> dequbed: what is dead may never die, and given the successs of OSI in general, well....
L211[00:53:06] <SickWhale> You'll get that juicy charge tho.
L212[00:53:10] <sapphicf​ettucine> >dequbed: jackie: That's what you get if you try to connect Windows Kerberos to sensible tech…
L213[00:53:10] <sapphicf​ettucine> as if there is such a thing as sensible tech, all sand we taught to think is haunted :p
L214[00:53:46] <jackie> oh also to be able to see the invoices of MS365 you need to be global admin of the MS365 domain. There is no other way according to MS support. this is why accounting people have domain admin at many companies that use MS365 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L215[00:53:56] <SickWhale> Heck I feel like a Lugigi in a haunted mansion.
L216[00:54:00] <sapphicf​ettucine> what the fuck lmao
L217[00:54:10] <dequbed> @sapphicfettucine nah, there's some really decent stuff being produced since 10 years or so, even in that space. The pain is to the biggest degree coming from backwards compatability
L218[00:54:14] <SickWhale> Yo guys act like you played with windows first time. xD
L219[00:54:39] <sapphicf​ettucine> i love how you keep pulling the experience card on a lot of very experienced sysadmins
L220[00:54:45] <Kilobyte> You act as if everyone is Windows admin.
L221[00:54:54] <sapphicf​ettucine> (not including me. i am not an experienced sysadmin i am a cat-girl with severe ADHD)
L222[00:54:55] <SickWhale> I
L223[00:55:06] <Kilobyte> I'd quit if my boss told me to manage our windows servers.
L224[00:55:06] <SickWhale> I'm not and never were.
L225[00:55:24] <sapphicf​ettucine> >Kilobyte: I'd quit if my boss told me to manage our windows servers.
L226[00:55:24] <sapphicf​ettucine> you'd,
L227[00:55:27] <sapphicf​ettucine> [clears throat]
L228[00:55:30] <sapphicf​ettucine> [leans close to mic]
L229[00:55:35] <sapphicf​ettucine> jump through the window?
L230[00:55:43] <SickWhale> Sorry If I made you believe I was an windows admin. xd
L231[00:55:44] <dequbed> @sapphicfettucine I'm not either! I'm just a snakeoil salescat and peddler of extermely cursed tech!
L232[00:55:45] <jackie> badummmtsssss
L233[00:56:08] <SickWhale> The heck are you doing here?
L234[00:56:27] <SickWhale> Honestly if I wasn'
L235[00:56:30] <sapphicf​ettucine> for my sins i am cursed to never be able to log off
L236[00:56:32] <SickWhale> Heck my enter.
L237[00:57:18] <SickWhale> I am looking for kinda a long time at this hecking chat and you display all kinds of hecking behaviour.
L238[00:57:21] <sapphicf​ettucine> >dequbed: <@722196443514798181> I'm not either! I'm just a snakeoil salescat and peddler of e…
L239[00:57:21] <sapphicf​ettucine> i am now imagining a cat with a very oversized trenchcoat doing the "hey kid you wanna buy some <x>" bit but it's "hey kid you wanna buy some k8s"
L240[00:57:41] <Amanda> Please.
L241[00:57:48] <sapphicf​ettucine> >SickWhale: I am looking for kinda a long time at this hecking chat and you display all kinds o…
L242[00:57:49] <sapphicf​ettucine> again i am a cat-girl with severe ADHD i do not know what you expect from me
L243[00:57:55] <jackie> in the company I work at I'm the one with the most knowledge about windows administration. I'm employed as a software dev and ocassionally help our OPs guy so that there are at least two people that know our server infrastructure at work. I haven't touched windows for *a long time*. We are currently searching for a windows admin :P
L244[00:58:00] <dequbed> @sapphicfettucine everybody's a gangster until I start talking LDAP by hand because no tools support everything, all LDAP servers need to burn in the depest pits of hell and I happen to speak (L)DAP fluently
L245[00:58:04] <CompanionCube> i'm not sure if this should be interpreted as a compliment or not.
L246[00:58:09] <Amanda> Speak the language correctly, it's "Can I interest you in a k8s service contract for our Agile Multi-Cloud Cluster Admin Tool!"
L247[00:58:14] <SickWhale> Ur pretty lively.
L248[00:58:27] <sapphicf​ettucine> >Amanda: Speak the language correctly, it's "Can I interest you in a k8s service contract fo…
L249[00:58:27] <sapphicf​ettucine> goddamnit
L250[00:59:02] <SickWhale> I don't sell shit. It's just what a search for a friend got me up to.
L251[00:59:05] <sapphicf​ettucine> have i ever sent the README.yml file here
L252[00:59:12] <jackie> *Amanada stats speaking salesman-language* *it's very effective against the population of #oc*
L253[00:59:13] <SickWhale> But you seem like a friend bunch.
L254[00:59:19] * CompanionCube banishes the haunted solaris makefiles with incanations of autotools
L255[00:59:20] <Amanda> README dot... yml?
L256[00:59:25] <SickWhale> But bit overzsealous.
L257[00:59:37] <Amanda> Please tell me that's a typo
L258[00:59:39] <dequbed> @sapphicfettucine sounds fun, send it!
L259[00:59:41] <jackie> Amanda: W. A. T. ?!
L260[00:59:52] <jackie> yml
L261[00:59:54] <jackie> dafuq
L262[00:59:54] <Kilobyte> I'm out now, I'm too drunk
L263[00:59:58] <Kilobyte> Have fun
L264[01:00:03] <sapphicf​ettucine> yeah so, one time i found a cursed DevOps consulting firm
L265[01:00:03] <jackie> Kilobyte: have fun :P
L266[01:00:04] <dequbed> goodbye have fun sleep well :P
L267[01:00:07] <SickWhale> Ded?
L268[01:00:12] <sapphicf​ettucine> gnight kilobyte!
L269[01:00:36] <Amanda> jackie: That;s what I want to know, but it's sapphicf​ettucine's story to tell
L270[01:00:45] <sapphicf​ettucine> >sapphicfettucine: yeah so, one time i found a cursed DevOps consulting firm
L271[01:00:45] <sapphicf​ettucine> and they have yaml-based readme file generation, because i guess this is your brain on kubernetes
L272[01:00:50] <sapphicf​ettucine> <https://github.com/cloudposse/build-harness/blob/master/README.yaml&gt;
L273[01:01:12] <sapphicf​ettucine> Message contained 4 or more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/cobunifisa
L274[01:01:16] <dequbed> That is so cursed I love it
L275[01:01:18] <jackie> Amanda: yeah I just saw sapphicfettucine's message about it. I overread it earlier and thought you started that topic ^^
L276[01:01:39] <dequbed> @sapphicfettucine that goes on the list >:3
L277[01:01:41] <SickWhale> You're very weird.
L278[01:01:48] <dequbed> Thanks!
L279[01:01:52] <sapphicf​ettucine> thank you!
L280[01:02:14] <SickWhale> I can't figure you out.
L281[01:02:30] <dequbed> That's good too
L282[01:02:45] <CompanionCube> it would be weird if we weren't weird
L283[01:03:08] <dequbed> yeah CompanionCube you'd be hella boring if you were normal. I like your weird self
L284[01:03:13] <SickWhale> Yeah, I guess, Since I am already estabilished as an evil character.
L285[01:03:45] <dequbed> Hmm. see. Nobody in here cares enough to have "established" you, neither as an evil nor a good character.
L286[01:03:56] <SickWhale> Dangit.
L287[01:04:08] <SickWhale> Curse on you and your pets.
L288[01:04:15] <Amanda> Rude
L289[01:04:24] <sapphicf​ettucine> oh also the company behind this calls their consulting thingy "sweetops" which is the most cursed way to talk about devops i've ever heard
L290[01:04:31] <dequbed> You're a goddamn passerby in our living room and its up to *you* and *you alone* if you become a short-term annoyance or a constant improving the whole.
L291[01:04:34] <M​GR> I mean, I've mentally marked you as someone whose mouth is too big
L292[01:04:44] <SickWhale> Yo.
L293[01:04:44] <M​GR> I'm referring to SickWhale
L294[01:04:58] <SickWhale> Can I be a constant disaster?
L295[01:05:20] <dequbed> If you improve this community by being that sure.
L296[01:05:35] <SickWhale> The heck is that even? xD
L297[01:05:50] <dequbed> Who and what you are is up to you to figure out.
L298[01:06:07] <SickWhale> You clearly have a stubborn community created right now.
L299[01:06:20] <dequbed> No we really don't
L300[01:06:25] * Amanda curls up around elfi, continues reading about someone who """"won"""" the multiverse (killed all his enemy's, his enemy's friends etc etc, until the heat death of the multiverse) to be given a second try by "orders voice"
L301[01:06:26] <SickWhale> Yes you do.
L302[01:06:46] <dequbed> We have a living room established. A room that people stay in because they enjoy their time here.
L303[01:06:57] <SickWhale> I dont like that weird anime related approach.
L304[01:07:03] <dequbed> And nobody here has any interest in having that being destroyed by anybody.
L305[01:07:07] <M​GR> lol
L306[01:07:12] <sapphicf​ettucine> Amanda: have you read this is how you lose the time war?
L307[01:07:20] <M​GR> "anime related approach"
L308[01:07:34] <dequbed> What even is that supposed to mean o.O
L309[01:07:34] <sapphicf​ettucine> that synopsys vaguely reminds me of it. it's a great book
L310[01:07:44] <SickWhale> It is every approach you can get it.
L311[01:07:52] <Amanda> @sapphic nope, I'm currently reading "After The End: Serenity" a webnovel
L312[01:07:53] <sapphicf​ettucine> communism with anime characteristics
L313[01:07:57] <jackie> I should go to bed but this discussion is way to entertaining to go to bed *now* :P
L314[01:08:06] <dequbed> Yeah.
L315[01:08:07] <dequbed> Same.
L316[01:08:22] <dequbed> Curse you #oc for being enternally entertaining
L317[01:08:23] <CompanionCube> i do get the feeling of there being a disconnect but that's not a bag thing
L318[01:08:26] <CompanionCube> *bad thing
L319[01:08:44] <SickWhale> I have a lots of empty bags.
L320[01:08:55] <Amanda> I'm going back to hallucinating, ether this dumpster fire will still be here when I get back, or I'll have some juicy logs to read their
L321[01:08:58] <Kilobyte> jackie: I sponsor popcorn if you visit :P
L322[01:09:05] <sapphicf​ettucine> lmao, farewell amanda
L323[01:09:09] <dequbed> And love your non-sequiturs
L324[01:09:16] <jackie> Kilobyte: I do have some microwave popcorn here :P
L325[01:09:27] <dequbed> Amanda: have fun sleep well and dream sweet <3
L326[01:09:30] <Kilobyte> Amanda: good night!
L327[01:09:39] <jackie> Amanda: nini!
L328[01:09:40] <dequbed> Kilobyte: didn't you want to go to bed too?
L329[01:09:43] <Kilobyte> No
L330[01:09:52] <Kilobyte> I just wanted to leave the discussion
L331[01:09:56] <dequbed> Well
L332[01:10:00] <dequbed> You *should* though.
L333[01:10:04] <Mic​hiyo> o/ Amanda
L334[01:10:08] <Kilobyte> I'm still 15km away from home
L335[01:10:16] <sapphicf​ettucine> you should. abandon all hope ye who enter into this discourse
L336[01:10:21] <jackie> dequbed: I'd have interpreted his message before as "I'm gonna talk to real people now because I need another beer" :P
L337[01:10:23] <dequbed> That's … a surprisingly solid argument you have there kilo
L338[01:10:47] <SickWhale> The heck is this.
L339[01:10:57] <Kilobyte> Normal night on #oc
L340[01:11:01] <dequbed> And IRC chatroom I'm led to believe
L341[01:11:08] <dequbed> s/And/An/
L342[01:11:08] <MichiBot> <dequbed> An IRC chatroom I'm led to believe
L343[01:11:13] <SickWhale> Doesn't feel even remotely normal IMO.
L344[01:11:19] <dequbed> Hmm
L345[01:11:21] <dequbed> no
L346[01:11:27] <dequbed> It feel pretty normal to me
L347[01:11:30] <Kilobyte> Idk, nothing special to me
L348[01:11:38] <SickWhale> I love it.
L349[01:11:40] <sapphicf​ettucine> this is significantly more normal than a good part of IRC to be very honest
L350[01:12:16] <SickWhale> To be honest a lot of IRC community is full of assholes first.
L351[01:12:19] <Kilobyte> IRC is pretty dead nowadays sadly. Tbh
L352[01:12:26] <SickWhale> I guess you are a part of that.
L353[01:12:33] <CompanionCube> you want weird IRC, go on to freenode lol
L354[01:12:37] <dequbed> @sapphicfettucine Ooooor this is so off the charts bonkers that it has wrapped around back to feeling normal. You'll never know!
L355[01:12:43] <Kilobyte> Lol freenode
L356[01:12:45] <SickWhale> Freenode is not free you dick.
L357[01:12:48] <sapphicf​ettucine> true. true,
L358[01:12:57] <jackie> I'm not sure if that was an insult or a compliment
L359[01:12:59] <dequbed> SickWhale: Please don't go around insulting people.
L360[01:13:00] <Mic​hiyo> ...
L361[01:13:06] <M​GR> >SickWhale: To be honest a lot of IRC community is full of assholes first.
L362[01:13:06] <M​GR> Also: Freenode is not free you dick.
L363[01:13:07] <sapphicf​ettucine> >CompanionCube: you want weird IRC, go on to freenode lol
L364[01:13:08] <sapphicf​ettucine> or susan's place!
L365[01:13:09] <SickWhale> The feck.
L366[01:13:18] <M​GR> Oh boy, I'm sensing some hypocrisy here
L367[01:13:30] <Mic​hiyo> Susan's place is... interesting
L368[01:13:40] <CompanionCube> what is susan's place
L369[01:13:40] <sapphicf​ettucine> It Sure Is
L370[01:13:50] <SickWhale> I don't get you people eitehr.
L371[01:13:56] <dequbed> That's okay
L372[01:14:05] <sapphicf​ettucine> a very old trans IRC
L373[01:14:08] <jackie> SickWhale: We don't get you too. That's ok
L374[01:14:08] <SickWhale> You shield yourselves with some shitty servers.
L375[01:14:23] <SickWhale> And act like modal citizens.
L376[01:14:23] <sapphicf​ettucine> it's been running for a long time and it's, it's not a place i'd recommend lmao
L377[01:14:28] <M​GR> lol
L378[01:14:30] <CompanionCube> 'act like model citizens' lol
L379[01:14:32] <dequbed> Just a heads up SickWhale. Your message was read as you calling CC a dick. I'm not sure you meant it that way but if so, please don't.
L380[01:14:42] <Mic​hiyo> SickWhale the door is over there
L381[01:14:42] <M​GR> Serious talk, can we kick this guy?
L382[01:14:48] <SickWhale> What. No, I am a dick.
L383[01:14:50] <Mic​hiyo> Feel free to see yourself out
L384[01:14:56] <SickWhale> Not sure about you guys.
L385[01:15:08] <SickWhale> You are fecking mystery to me.
L386[01:15:23] <SickWhale> But shitty nevertheless.\
L387[01:15:37] <M​GR> Alright, yeah, I vote for kicking him
L388[01:15:40] <sapphicf​ettucine> >SickWhale: Not sure about you guys.
L389[01:15:41] <sapphicf​ettucine> i'm getting GRS someday, so medically not a dick, thank you very much
L390[01:15:45] <Mic​hiyo> I'd show you the door, but sadly I'm a few miles away from my internet connection
L391[01:15:58] <Mic​hiyo> Don't make me remote into my pc just to do so
L392[01:16:02] <SickWhale> Oh, really?
L393[01:16:03] <jackie> @Michiyo on that note: mind to give me kick perms? :P
L394[01:16:18] <dequbed> @Michiyo I think I lost my kick privs for some reason, can we talk about reinstating that someday <.<
L395[01:16:18] <sapphicf​ettucine> >Michiyo: Don't make me remote into my pc just to do so
L396[01:16:18] <sapphicf​ettucine> ssh'ing into a fistfight
L397[01:16:36] <SickWhale> Oh gosh.
L398[01:16:38] <CompanionCube> really not sure where the shittiness comes from, but i think that mystery feeling is mutual
L399[01:16:43] <jackie> @sapphicf​ettucine that's how you know it just got serious :P
L400[01:16:44] <SickWhale> You people feel primed.
L401[01:16:51] <Kilobyte> I can kick if needed, but I don't see a reason
L402[01:17:22] <SickWhale> I really tried to be friendly according to fecking times.
L403[01:17:22] <dequbed> Well. Somebody just barged into our living room and started throwing insults. We don't feel "primed", just not willing to put up with that.
L404[01:17:33] <sapphicf​ettucine> >SickWhale: You people feel primed.
L405[01:17:33] <sapphicf​ettucine> i do need to paint my room sometime, so i'd not mind some primer yea
L406[01:17:44] <SickWhale> You acted like hecking witches.
L407[01:17:50] <sapphicf​ettucine> that's a compliment
L408[01:17:56] <dequbed> It really is
L409[01:17:59] <SickWhale> I feel ya sir.
L410[01:18:00] <jackie> I do really like the analogy of #oc == our living room. It makes way more sense than one might think at a first glance :D
L411[01:18:05] <sapphicf​ettucine> miss*
L412[01:18:12] <dequbed> SickWhale: neither sapphic nor I am a "sir" but thanks :P
L413[01:18:16] <SickWhale> Miss.
L414[01:18:29] <SickWhale> Can't know on irc.
L415[01:18:46] <sapphicf​ettucine> >jackie: I do really like the analogy of #oc == our living room. It makes way more sense tha…
L416[01:18:47] <sapphicf​ettucine> we even have cats that knock things over, just like real living rooms
L417[01:18:51] <dequbed> "lesbian noodle soup" doesn't scream default male to me SickWhale :P
L418[01:19:02] <SickWhale> It kinda is.
L419[01:19:11] <sapphicf​ettucine> how lmao
L420[01:19:18] <jackie> @sapphicf​ettucine true that ^^
L421[01:19:24] <Kilobyte> Where's the cat?
L422[01:19:30] <CompanionCube> i mean, aside from some very odd interpretations you seem friendly enough
L423[01:19:38] <SickWhale> While I am woman supporter in IT you can't lie that there not that many women in the field.
L424[01:19:44] <dequbed> Kilobyte: Amanda's the cat make sure to give her *allllll* the pets
L425[01:19:47] <sapphicf​ettucine> lmfao
L426[01:20:01] <dequbed> SickWhale: Ah. See. This chat is the exception. Very much so.
L427[01:20:10] <SickWhale> Wat.
L428[01:20:16] <dequbed> Because, most of the time, women in here don't get reduced to that. So they feel comfortable.
L429[01:20:20] <sapphicf​ettucine> i mean also if you took trans girls out of IT the internet would collapse
L430[01:20:22] <dequbed> And generally speaking, stay.
L431[01:20:27] <SickWhale> None of you hecks identified so far.
L432[01:20:38] <sapphicf​ettucine> then don't assume we're all dudes
L433[01:20:45] <dequbed> The ratio of woman/men/other in here is *significantly* different than in other places and I like it that way.
L434[01:20:50] <SickWhale> What?
L435[01:20:58] <Kilobyte> SickWhale: then why do you assume anything about people :P
L436[01:20:59] <SickWhale> Never done that.
L437[01:21:16] <SickWhale> I assume youre all bad.
L438[01:21:31] <sapphicf​ettucine> allbad is a homestar runner character
L439[01:21:40] <SickWhale> English is nice.
L440[01:21:49] <SickWhale> Makes me avoid gender relevant shit.
L441[01:21:59] <Kilobyte> We are using English here which has the significant advantage over other languages making it it easy to use gender neutral terminology.
L442[01:22:03] <CompanionCube> the stats page does show the relevant info for some people
L443[01:22:05] <SickWhale> Because I hate you all equally.
L444[01:22:15] ⇦ Quits: ben_mkiv (~ben_mkiv@200116b814bc5e00fe3497fffea975f2.dip.versatel-1u1.de) (Quit: Leaving)
L445[01:22:23] <SickWhale> And I love you all as well.
L446[01:22:24] <sapphicf​ettucine> i'm honored!
L447[01:22:29] <dequbed> CompanionCube: Oh right. Do you remember who i need to poke to get the logs updated and merged over there?
L448[01:22:33] <SickWhale> Too late.
L449[01:22:37] <Kilobyte> If you hate us, why spend time here?
L450[01:22:39] <sapphicf​ettucine> i'm dishonored.
L451[01:22:39] <SickWhale> Youre loved fecker/
L452[01:22:50] <dequbed> @sapphicfettucine don't worry, I still love you <3
L453[01:22:55] <jackie> CompanionCube: but many people (iirc including myself) don't have gender entries there
L454[01:23:02] <CompanionCube> jackie: hence the some
L455[01:23:13] <SickWhale> That's what is amazing in language. I love yall.
L456[01:23:19] <sapphicf​ettucine> >dequbed: <@722196443514798181> don't worry, I still love you <3
L457[01:23:19] <sapphicf​ettucine> i'm honored²
L458[01:23:22] <CompanionCube> also probably Michiyo, don't recall if anyone else can do it
L459[01:23:23] <jackie> (is that still a manual "poke someone to do it"-thing or is there a self-service way to add the entry? ^^)
L460[01:23:26] <SickWhale> But at the same time I hate yall.
L461[01:23:42] <dequbed> @sapphicfettucine don't feel honoured, return the love! :P
L462[01:24:00] <jackie> CompanionCube: feels like something MichiBot could be convinced to do with a bit of code :P
L463[01:24:12] <dequbed> Then It's time to %blame Forecaster
L464[01:24:12] * MichiBot blames Forecaster for this text not being very interesting
L465[01:24:24] <SickWhale> Ded.
L466[01:25:28] <SickWhale> Can I get like werd eggs?\
L467[01:25:48] <sapphicf​ettucine> >dequbed: <@722196443514798181> don't feel honoured, return the love! :P
L468[01:25:49] <sapphicf​ettucine> mpf, i love you too, snakeoil salescat :P
L469[01:25:51] <SickWhale> Like most stable but with a bit of loquid?
L470[01:25:59] <sapphicf​ettucine> >SickWhale: Can I get like we*rd eggs?\*
L471[01:26:00] <sapphicf​ettucine> boiled or poached
L472[01:26:14] <SickWhale> In the middle.
L473[01:26:35] <SickWhale> You cut that stuff and it welcomes you with a gift.
L474[01:27:01] <CompanionCube> %loot
L475[01:27:02] <MichiBot> Compan​ionCube: You get a loot box! It contains the official baby talk translation guide. (??)
L476[01:27:22] <jackie> %tonk
L477[01:27:22] <MichiBot> jac​kie: You should probably read this: https://michibot.pc-logix.com/tonk
L478[01:27:26] * CompanionCube puts the official baby talk translation guide inside one of the eggs and gives it to SickWhale
L479[01:27:29] <dequbed> %tonk
L480[01:27:29] <MichiBot> deq​ubed: You should probably read this: https://michibot.pc-logix.com/tonk
L481[01:27:32] <dequbed> whaat
L482[01:27:35] <dequbed> Oh right
L483[01:27:38] <dequbed> new year
L484[01:27:42] <jackie> ahhhh
L485[01:27:54] <dequbed> %tonk BDD11
L486[01:27:54] <MichiBot> I'm sorry dequbed, you were not able to beat Michiyo's record of 6 hours, 24 minutes and 8 seconds this time. 3 hours, 17 minutes and 46 seconds were wasted! Missed by 3 hours, 6 minutes and 22 seconds!
L487[01:27:56] <sapphicf​ettucine> >MichiBot: Compan​ionCube: You get a loot box! It contains the official baby talk translation …
L488[01:27:56] <sapphicf​ettucine> the object oriented language of choice for very small humans
L489[01:28:03] <dequbed> Oh goddamit curse you Michyo!
L490[01:28:11] <jackie> %tonk BDD11
L491[01:28:18] <CompanionCube> 15 minute cooldown
L492[01:28:18] <dequbed> 5 minute timeout :P
L493[01:28:24] <dequbed> Oh is it 15 now?
L494[01:28:24] <CompanionCube> or was it 5
L495[01:28:29] <dequbed> Either one of those two!
L496[01:28:44] <jackie> yeah but until then I forgot to add the whitelist token again :P
L497[01:28:53] <jackie> *I'll forget
L498[01:30:44] <dequbed> Well yeah
L499[01:30:48] <jackie> %inv add Jackie's short term memory
L500[01:30:48] * MichiBot summons 'Jackie's short term memory' and adds to her inventory. This seems rather fragile...
L501[01:30:58] <jackie> maybe michibot will take better care of it :P
L502[01:30:59] <dequbed> But you have to be on the leader list to not need the token jackie
L503[01:31:06] <dequbed> So it won't help you to have tonked with the code now
L504[01:31:19] <dequbed> You need to actually win a tonk to not need the token anymore
L505[01:31:20] <jackie> dequbed: that's what I meant
L506[01:31:29] <SickWhale> You dont sound much different than myself.
L507[01:31:40] <SickWhale> The only difference is that you have a hecking cult.
L508[01:31:49] <dequbed> No no no you got it wrong
L509[01:31:53] <dequbed> I *lead* a cult.
L510[01:31:56] <jackie> Oh I thought wou'll even get added to the list without a win (but at the bottom ^^)
L511[01:32:04] <dequbed> jackie: nope
L512[01:32:13] <dequbed> Well I mean if you win you do get added at the bottom :P
L513[01:32:25] <SickWhale> Doesn't sound like a win.
L514[01:32:47] <dequbed> The difference between winning a battle and winning the war
L515[01:33:00] <SickWhale> Neither does interest me.
L516[01:33:02] <dequbed> Winning "a" tonk doesn't win the game of tonk
L517[01:33:19] <sapphicf​ettucine> for a minute i thought that was about the cult thing
L518[01:33:24] <DaCompu​terNerd> %sip
L519[01:33:24] <MichiBot> You drink an invisible white potion (New!). DaComputerNerd's radiation level goes up by 4. DaComputerNerd's radiation level is 4. (Rem. uses: 0)
L520[01:33:54] <dequbed> @sapphicfettucine yeah but we both know that leading a cult is definitely a win >:D
L521[01:33:59] <SickWhale> You come up with a thought I am about to inject to your beloved community.
L522[01:34:48] <SickWhale> Like how the heck would that go.
L523[01:35:04] <sapphicf​ettucine> dequbed: absolutely. clap more clap women clap cult clap leaders clap
L524[01:35:06] <SickWhale> I am already establilished as a crab.
L525[01:35:18] <sapphicf​ettucine> i thought i was the rust fangirl here!
L526[01:35:54] <SickWhale> Who the feck are you?
L527[01:36:15] <CompanionCube> %inv add srsbsns
L528[01:36:15] * MichiBot summons 'srsbsns' and adds to her inventory. I could get some good swings in with this.
L529[01:36:42] <sapphicf​ettucine> >SickWhale: Who the feck are you?
L530[01:36:42] <sapphicf​ettucine> sapphicfettucine a.k.a lesbianlinguine a.k.a gayspaghetti a.k.a emily signet
L531[01:36:53] <SickWhale> Erm and?
L532[01:37:10] <SickWhale> What do you have going about you?
L533[01:37:13] <sapphicf​ettucine> well, you asked who i was!
L534[01:37:26] <dequbed> @sapphicfettucine can we *please* appreachiate the metalevel of that joke?
L535[01:37:48] <SickWhale> Your peers were asses, what is different about you? :p
L536[01:38:17] <SickWhale> Can't we all be asslovers?
L537[01:38:38] <sapphicf​ettucine> you are truly on one
L538[01:38:43] <SickWhale> It might've a bit much.
L539[01:38:59] <sapphicf​ettucine> >dequbed: <@722196443514798181> can we *please* appreachiate the metalevel of that joke?
L540[01:38:59] <sapphicf​ettucine> nods solemnly
L541[01:39:05] <SickWhale> But I can't get even a good joke. You get me nothing.
L542[01:39:34] <SickWhale> All of you.
L543[01:40:22] <Michiyo> https://github.com/CaitlynMainer/OCNicks
L544[01:40:34] <Michiyo> the readme gives you the info on how to add nicks, and colorize them
L545[01:41:48] <CompanionCube> dequbed: are you going to name your apparent cult, btw?
L546[01:41:52] <SickWhale> Umm. The link in that doc isn't working.
L547[01:42:02] <sapphicf​ettucine> https://tinyurl.com/y97tlmrr
L548[01:42:02] <Michiyo> It is if you refresh.
L549[01:42:03] <Michiyo> also
L550[01:42:07] <Michiyo> %stats
L551[01:42:08] <sapphicf​ettucine> can't believe this is my quote
L552[01:42:12] <Michiyo> Or.. not
L553[01:42:15] <Michiyo> thanks MichiBot
L554[01:42:24] <Michiyo> Stats are in the topic. :P
L555[01:42:56] <SickWhale> And they show what exactly? :P
L556[01:43:00] <jackie> @Michiyo did you really change your IRC Nick to have the @ in front? xD
L557[01:43:02] <Michiyo> Stats.
L558[01:43:08] <Michiyo> No?
L559[01:43:11] <SickWhale> Oh ok.
L560[01:43:14] <Kilobyte> Michiyo: you should probably educate your bot some more :P
L561[01:43:35] <dequbed> @sapphicfettucine but it's *soo* fitting <3
L562[01:43:42] <Michiyo> %cmd add stats https://irclogs.pc-logix.com/ssstats/oc/
L563[01:43:46] <Michiyo> *sigh*
L564[01:43:50] <Michiyo> I wrote this damn bot..
L565[01:43:52] <Michiyo> I SHOULD know how it works
L566[01:44:07] <Kilobyte> jackie: @ is no valid char in IRC nicks
L567[01:44:10] <sapphicf​ettucine> >dequbed: <@722196443514798181> but it's *soo* fitting <3
L568[01:44:10] <sapphicf​ettucine> i feel like this is a questionable reputation i've acquired
L569[01:44:18] <SickWhale> I like the spike on 14 february.
L570[01:44:29] <Michiyo> %dyncmd add stats https://irclogs.pc-logix.com/ssstats/oc/
L571[01:44:29] <MichiBot> Mic​hiyo: dyncmd is enabled in this channel
L572[01:44:33] <Michiyo> ...
L573[01:44:33] <jackie> Kilobyte: weird. my quassel lists you without the @ in the channel member list but in the conversation michiyo's nick is "@Michiyo" according to quassel
L574[01:44:47] <Michiyo> Default op prefix is @, it's likely that
L575[01:44:51] <jackie> s/you/Michiyo
L576[01:44:52] <MichiBot> <jackie> Kilobyte: weird. my quassel lists Michiyo without the @ in the channel member list but in the conversation michiyo's nick is "@Michiyo" according to quassel
L577[01:44:56] <Kilobyte> I'm not @, but + :P
L578[01:45:21] <Kilobyte> @is the prefix meaning op
L579[01:45:23] <jackie> ahhh. I'm not used to my IRC client prefixing nicks :P
L580[01:45:35] <Kilobyte> + is the prefix for voice
L581[01:45:43] <jackie> yeah I figured so
L582[01:45:45] <Michiyo> %command add stats https://irclogs.pc-logix.com/ssstats/oc/
L583[01:45:45] <MichiBot> Michiyo: Command Added! Don't forget to set help text with %command addhelp!
L584[01:45:48] <Michiyo> ffs there
L585[01:45:54] <Kilobyte> Servers can define more, but esper doesn't
L586[01:46:07] <Michiyo> %command addhelp stats Stats.
L587[01:46:07] <MichiBot> Michiyo: Help Set
L588[01:46:24] <SickWhale> Sound hecking fun.
L589[01:46:34] <dequbed> @sapphicfettucine I mean … is it not fitting? You're the lesbian noodle monster speaking of cursed tech. :P
L590[01:46:48] <jackie> Kilobyte: I'm just not used to it (Pidgin which I've used most of the time before switching to quassel didn't do it) and I'm definitely too tired to be expected to not get confused about it :P
L591[01:46:50] <Izaya> why am I still on top of the leader board
L592[01:47:04] <sapphicf​ettucine> dequbed: ............you make a very compelling point
L593[01:47:21] <dequbed> Izaya: Because you're very, very, talkative.
L594[01:47:25] <SickWhale> Is christian curse reflected?
L595[01:47:42] <dequbed> Izaya: And a lovable fuzzball but(t) that is besides the point
L596[01:47:55] <Izaya> dequbed: What a strange concept. On both fronts.
L597[01:48:02] <Izaya> sapphicf​ettucine: any relation to the flying spaghetti monster?
L598[01:48:43] <Kilobyte> Yummy, spaghetti
L599[01:48:57] <sapphicf​ettucine> Izaya: it wasn't the motivation for the name but it's not like i can avoid the association after choosing a username like this :p
L600[01:49:08] <Izaya> this is true
L601[01:49:10] <dequbed> Izaya: There's two ways to get you to talk a lot: Ethanol mixtures and the correct kind of old tech. Well, three ways I guess but let's ignore that ;P
L602[01:49:21] <jackie> ^^
L603[01:49:29] <Kilobyte> Now I'm hungry and no food is near:(
L604[01:49:30] <CompanionCube> also bikes, no?
L605[01:49:35] <Izaya> yes bikes
L606[01:49:37] <dequbed> as I said, old tech
L607[01:50:01] <Izaya> today I found a back way over the tweed river that doesn't require taking the highway
L608[01:50:28] <Michiyo> Well, now I know Izaya's general location. :P
L609[01:50:49] <Izaya> I was visiting my grandad over the weekend so you know the general location of one of my family members, anyway
L610[01:50:57] <Michiyo> lol
L611[01:51:06] <SickWhale> Boring.
L612[01:51:32] <dequbed> Michiyo: I'm pretty sure izaya lives somewhere South-West-ish of you.
L613[01:51:44] <Izaya> but I mean I've linked maps with roads I like before soooo
L614[01:51:56] <Michiyo> :P
L615[01:52:12] <Michiyo> dequbed. very much south-west yes.
L616[01:52:46] <dequbed> I mean there's like a river and a big-ish pond between you two but still about right direction
L617[01:52:48] <Kilobyte> I'm south-west of dequbed:P
L618[01:52:59] <dequbed> Kilobyte: The long way around
L619[01:53:06] <Izaya> the earth is spherical so if you go far enough...
L620[01:53:32] <Michiyo> Everyone is south west of everyone technically
L621[01:53:33] <dequbed> Izaya: Exactly. Shortest path between Kilo and me is north-east(-east) from him
L622[01:54:28] <jackie> To throw around some more directions: Shortest path from me to dequbed is almost perfectly north :P
L623[01:54:37] <CompanionCube> huh, opposite side of the world from me is in the sea south of New Zealand.
L624[01:54:39] <SickWhale> Rabbits eat vegetables.
L625[01:55:23] <CompanionCube> hah, near 'antipodes island', even!
L626[01:56:12] <ThePi​Guy24> here have OC rendering 3d graphics, at 1920x1080, to a pixelflut server https://tinyurl.com/ybc49532
L627[01:56:18] <ThePi​Guy24> it is very slow
L628[01:56:28] <Kilobyte> CompanionCube: I'm told NZ is pretty nice
L629[01:57:04] <Kilobyte> My sis went there for 9 months and really enjoyed it
L630[01:57:38] <Izaya> ThePiGuy24: wait this is a static image
L631[01:57:39] <jackie> oh well. I should really go to bed now. or else tomorrow-me will hate today-me even more than it already does
L632[01:58:21] <Michiyo> o/ Night jackie
L633[01:58:23] <Kilobyte> Tomorrow-Me will hate me anyways
L634[01:58:28] <jackie> \o nini everyone
L635[01:58:28] <CompanionCube> is the frame rate even one 1fpm lol
L636[01:58:29] <SickWhale> Can't have much to tell about NZ people but at least when it comes to genre I listen to NZ people do not dissapoint. Electronic warriors.
L637[01:58:35] <Kilobyte> But sleep well anyways
L638[01:58:39] <dequbed> jackie: and tomorrow-me will hate today-you because we have to plan shit and I need to with at least 60% available brain power
L639[01:58:47] <ThePi​Guy24> if you mean: did i send a still screenshot here: yes
L640[01:58:59] <ThePi​Guy24> lemme try and get a video
L641[01:59:04] <jackie> dequbed: that should be doable ^^
L642[01:59:22] <Izaya> o7
L643[01:59:31] <Kilobyte> I still have 2 hours until I'm in bed
L644[01:59:37] <sapphicf​ettucine> gnight jackie!
L645[01:59:41] ⇦ Quits: Lgmrszd (~quassel@188.234.28.19) (Ping timeout: 189 seconds)
L646[01:59:53] <Kilobyte> Eh 1.5h
L647[01:59:54] <Izaya> ThePiGuy24: I figured that "it is very slow" was about a video lmao
L648[02:02:39] <SickWhale> Sounds hecking great.
L649[02:02:47] <ThePi​Guy24> the animation in the top corner is cheating, that is being sent by the host on a local network, dont mind the end frames ;p https://tinyurl.com/y8osvvvl
L650[02:04:03] <ThePi​Guy24> it is slow
L651[02:04:04] <SickWhale> You do know what day is it today, though?
L652[02:05:29] <sapphicf​ettucine> >ThePiGuy24: the animation in the top corner is cheating, that is being sent by the host on a lo…
L653[02:05:30] <sapphicf​ettucine> this is really cool - is the animation software some custom written lua?
L654[02:07:44] <ThePi​Guy24> https://tinyurl.com/y8p44sjm
L655[02:07:52] <Kilobyte> Today is "I can sleep as long as I want and my boss doesn't care" day
L656[02:08:00] <dequbed> Even that is pretty fast for OC1
L657[02:08:24] <ThePi​Guy24> its ugly code
L658[02:08:30] <Kilobyte> Just like every Saturday/Sunday
L659[02:08:42] <ThePi​Guy24> i dont tend to make things pretty when im writing them for myself
L660[02:09:25] <dequbed> And there's rarely a need to do so
L661[02:11:21] <Kilobyte> And off home I go
L662[02:13:17] <SickWhale> Gosh.
L663[02:14:09] <SickWhale> Ur exactly not what I would like to meet.
L664[02:15:22] <sapphicf​ettucine> @ThePiGuy24 i wonder how much of a speed boost you'd get from avoiding string concatenation and instead using some kind of just-raw-bytes protocol?
L665[02:16:08] <ThePi​Guy24> negligible
L666[02:16:29] <ThePi​Guy24> i am sending as fast as i can, internet card is 100% the bottleneck here
L667[02:16:45] <ThePi​Guy24> pixelflut is a deliberately inefficient protocol
L668[02:17:23] <ThePi​Guy24> around 16 bytes required minimum to send what is essentially 3 bytes of info
L669[02:17:57] <SickWhale> Gosh. Wanted to peek but that's lua.
L670[02:18:07] <ThePi​Guy24> https://tinyurl.com/y9ob6msa
L671[02:18:35] <SickWhale> What is this for?
L672[02:18:41] <ThePi​Guy24> fun
L673[02:18:53] <SickWhale> Doesn'
L674[02:19:07] <SickWhale> Heck. I hate my enter key position.
L675[02:19:18] <SickWhale> Doesn't look like fun.
L676[02:19:32] <ThePi​Guy24> its more fun when its more chaotic
L677[02:19:53] <SickWhale> In my opinion it isn't chaotic.
L678[02:20:21] <ThePi​Guy24> pixelflut is typically used on local networks, where you can use gigabits of bandwidth, throwing millions of pixels at it from many devices, trying to control what is shown ;p
L679[02:20:37] <ThePi​Guy24> basically, r/place but hackery and several orders of magnitude faster
L680[02:20:59] <SickWhale> So full of hackers and kinda pointless?
L681[02:21:39] <ThePi​Guy24> kinda undersells it when you describe it like that
L682[02:22:28] <Kilobyte> I've seen Pixelflut saturate 40Gbit NICs
L683[02:22:35] <sapphicf​ettucine> this feels kinda like drawing with ansi escape codes
L684[02:22:39] <SickWhale> Well, looked at the code and it isn't doing anything though.
L685[02:23:04] <ThePi​Guy24> >SickWhale: Well, looked at the code and it isn't doing anything though.
L686[02:23:04] <ThePi​Guy24> ?
L687[02:23:26] <SickWhale> It's shit youre better off implementing your own solution from scratch.
L688[02:23:38] <ThePi​Guy24> what
L689[02:23:47] <SickWhale> Exactly that.
L690[02:23:49] <ThePi​Guy24> >sapphicfettucine: this feels kinda like drawing with ansi escape codes
L691[02:23:49] <ThePi​Guy24> kinda, but even less efficient
L692[02:24:02] <ThePi​Guy24> and much higher resolutions
L693[02:24:05] <Izaya> is there a less verbose version of the protocol?
L694[02:24:16] <ThePi​Guy24> maybe
L695[02:24:20] <Kilobyte> No, not really
L696[02:24:21] <sapphicf​ettucine> >ThePiGuy24: and much higher resolutions
L697[02:24:21] <sapphicf​ettucine> aw come on, 192x108 is plenty!
L698[02:24:53] <Kilobyte> But generally the best pixelflut clients are not public
L699[02:25:05] <SickWhale> Fun age we live in.
L700[02:25:13] <Izaya> one byte command, two bytes x, two bytes y, 4 bytes colour
L701[02:25:32] <ThePi​Guy24> too efficient
L702[02:25:45] <Izaya> is optimising this working against the point?
L703[02:25:52] <ThePi​Guy24> yes
L704[02:25:58] <Kilobyte> Izaya: if I had designed that, it had been that way
L705[02:25:58] <Izaya> I see, carry on
L706[02:26:15] <Kilobyte> But you can set an offset and optimize that way
L707[02:26:17] <SickWhale> What the heck. xD
L708[02:27:03] <Kilobyte> I have my own client but it's pretty shit, can barely saturate a gbit
L709[02:27:12] <SickWhale> People shit on 16 bit overhead but praise electron. This is another pole.
L710[02:27:29] <sapphicf​ettucine> writing intentionally constrained code is fun
L711[02:27:45] <SickWhale> Who does that?
L712[02:27:51] <Kilobyte> Did you hear me (or any of us) speak positively about electron?
L713[02:28:05] <sapphicf​ettucine> me! constraints can be a good challenge for creative solutions
L714[02:28:14] <SickWhale> No. But so far it sounded encouraging.
L715[02:28:29] <Kilobyte> SickWhale: I do. Not often but I do.
L716[02:28:34] <sapphicf​ettucine> it's why i write a video container for ansi escape codes. or diff engines to run off cd drives
L717[02:28:38] <Izaya> ever considered what writing software for OC that fits in EEPROMs is like? :p
L718[02:28:39] <CompanionCube> also this not a place where electron is praised
L719[02:28:42] <SickWhale> Oh god.
L720[02:29:00] <SickWhale> God is dead and buried in JS.
L721[02:29:08] <CompanionCube> true!
L722[02:29:20] <ThePi​Guy24> if people didnt enjoy working with constraints, then OC would have no users
L723[02:29:49] <SickWhale> Yo what the heck insanity is that.
L724[02:30:06] <sapphicf​ettucine> engineering
L725[02:30:25] <SickWhale> People eat as much RAM and CPU as they can. Mainstream developer doesn't even know that their code eats resources.
L726[02:30:30] <dequbed> Izaya: There are some efficient barebones protocols for videostreaming if you want that. But all of them use interframe compression for efficiency sake so they aren't easy to implement
L727[02:30:44] <SickWhale> It's nuts.
L728[02:31:05] <sapphicf​ettucine> yeah video codecs are a "import ffmpeg and forget" kind of thing
L729[02:31:16] <SickWhale> Goddamit.
L730[02:31:35] <ThePi​Guy24> speaking of compressed images/video: https://qoiformat.org/
L731[02:31:50] <ThePi​Guy24> near PNG levels of efficiency, but much much simpler
L732[02:32:15] <ThePi​Guy24> simpler as in actually understandable by mortals
L733[02:32:26] <SickWhale> Mortals dont understand shit.
L734[02:32:28] <Kilobyte> I'm falling asleep in my bus, so don't expect any reply
L735[02:33:10] <SickWhale> You can't go and expect regular people understand what compression is all about.
L736[02:33:15] <SickWhale> They are like sheep.
L737[02:33:22] <sapphicf​ettucine> oh this is super neat
L738[02:33:32] <Izaya> ThePiGuy24: this is relevant to my interests
L739[02:33:42] <sapphicf​ettucine> SickWhale: hi i write compression systems
L740[02:33:57] <SickWhale> Hello you.
L741[02:34:12] <SickWhale> What you do doesn't matter to a gray fecking person.
L742[02:34:12] <ThePi​Guy24> (they are also not confirmed to be mortal)
L743[02:34:35] <sapphicf​ettucine> @ThePiGuy24 thank you for sharing this, this format slaps
L744[02:34:35] <SickWhale> They onlu care of their files being unpacked.
L745[02:35:13] <SickWhale> It's a fecking shitty situation but it is what it is.
L746[02:35:28] <SickWhale> Unless you count elitist shitheads.
L747[02:36:40] <SickWhale> Which compression are we taliking about here? @ sapphicfettucine?
L748[02:36:47] <sapphicf​ettucine> diff engines
L749[02:36:59] <SickWhale> Wat?
L750[02:37:03] <SickWhale> Binary diffs?
L751[02:37:05] <sapphicf​ettucine> 0.05% compression ratio for versioned data when paired with ZSTD, i'm really happy with it
L752[02:37:23] <sapphicf​ettucine> sort of? diffs for structs / JSON / other kinds of structured data
L753[02:37:28] <SickWhale> Never had a chance to play with that.
L754[02:37:33] <ThePi​Guy24> https://phoboslab.org/log/2021/11/qoi-fast-lossless-image-compression
L755[02:37:45] <dequbed> Isn't there also a pretty snappy SIMD impl for QOI or was that a "I should write a SIMD impl for that" one?
L756[02:38:20] <Dirti​shurt> anyone know how to filter the results of Refined Storages `getItems()` command
L757[02:38:21] <Dirti​shurt> this is my code and I want to filter the results to only show from specific mods or if possible only the results which include specific keywords such as "ingot" or "plate"
L758[02:38:21] <Dirti​shurt> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/sodoruyume
L759[02:38:31] <SickWhale> I like your approach.
L760[02:38:37] <Dirti​shurt> I dont'
L761[02:38:48] <Izaya> sapphicf​ettucine: is it a like, WORM storage for arbitrary data sort of thing?
L762[02:38:52] <SickWhale> Wat?
L763[02:39:37] <SickWhale> I don't see the relevance tho.
L764[02:39:59] <SickWhale> Yo PiGuy, you host some kind of donate platform?
L765[02:40:12] <ThePi​Guy24> no, why?
L766[02:40:12] <sapphicf​ettucine> >Izaya: sapphicf​ettucine: is it a like, WORM storage for arbitrary data sort of thing?
L767[02:40:12] <sapphicf​ettucine> it's kind of like JSONPatch - "change field <x> to value <y>" kind of thing
L768[02:40:27] <SickWhale> Get rid of gifs for me and I'm in.
L769[02:40:50] <sapphicf​ettucine> i started with just making a binary encoding for jsonpatch but recently i just wrote a custom one for speed ™️
L770[02:40:58] <Izaya> and presumably it does compression on previous versions of the same field?
L771[02:41:00] <ThePi​Guy24> oh QOIF isnt my work, i just found it interesting enough to post here
L772[02:41:19] <ThePi​Guy24> im not smart enough to figure that sorta shit out
L773[02:41:29] <SickWhale> Oh you.
L774[02:41:42] <Izaya> I'd never even considered that beyond a block level (as in, not writing identical blocks twice) in a filesystem
L775[02:41:44] <Izaya> Interesting.
L776[02:42:07] <The P​atmann> I'm noticing that SickWhale is somewhat of a cynic when it comes to programming
L777[02:42:25] <Izaya> they don't seem to say much interesting so I've been mentally filtering them out tbh
L778[02:43:17] <SickWhale> I guess I do.
L779[02:43:19] <sapphicf​ettucine> >Izaya: and presumably it does compression on previous versions of the same field?
L780[02:43:19] <sapphicf​ettucine> my current implementation is literally just compressing the whole stream of "change field [u8 field index] to [serialized value]" with zstd. it's more efficient than compressing every version completely, since it only needs to encode changed fields; but still really fast, since it's very dumb and simple
L781[02:44:12] <sapphicf​ettucine> it compiles down to a match table of
L782[02:44:12] <sapphicf​ettucine> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/zanafigude
L783[02:45:18] <SickWhale> Umm. Maybe I have no idea how to operate that website but that isn't showing shit. :p
L784[02:47:38] <The P​atmann> Which site? I just came back a few minutes ago.
L785[02:47:57] <SickWhale> That thingie I clicked from sapphic.
L786[02:48:11] <SickWhale> There is just a small match construct.
L787[02:48:14] <ThePi​Guy24> the paste site?
L788[02:48:25] <ThePi​Guy24> that is the intended content
L789[02:48:47] <SickWhale> Ok then I fail to see what's the point then. :p
L790[02:49:00] <ThePi​Guy24> it just puts any code blocks from discord there to prevent them from spamming IRC
L791[02:49:14] <ThePi​Guy24> (or any long messages)
L792[02:49:23] <SickWhale> What.
L793[02:49:32] <ThePi​Guy24> the paste site
L794[02:49:46] <SickWhale> Yo. I do know what paste site does.
L795[02:49:54] <SickWhale> I was talking about the code on your paste mate.
L796[02:50:12] <SickWhale> Yo it wasn't yours even.
L797[02:50:18] <The P​atmann> Oh yeah, almost forgot Sick is using IRC
L798[02:50:19] <The P​atmann> XD
L799[02:50:47] <SickWhale> Ahh, confusion.
L800[02:51:04] <The P​atmann> All the code shows is some function programming I can't understand, it looks like a snippet though
L801[02:51:13] <SickWhale> My favourite meal.
L802[02:51:31] <SickWhale> It isn't your either. I am really confused.
L803[02:51:57] <ThePi​Guy24> ah
L804[02:51:59] <ThePi​Guy24> %corded
L805[02:51:59] <MichiBot> Cor​ded is a relay between IRC and Discord. The user talking is between the <>
L806[02:52:33] <The P​atmann> So it probably isn't the entire code, you probs can't do too much with it. But if I were to hazard a guess, the code repeats from 0 to 255 and creates a large stream of deserialized values...
L807[02:52:53] <sapphicf​ettucine> it's a match table - it sets a field from a deserialized value; chosing the field according to the 1byte integer field_index
L808[02:53:04] <SickWhale> Oh my.
L809[02:53:42] <The P​atmann> Y'know it's funny, I was messing around with something similar recently. I'm making a program to create a simplified minecraft map for drone navigation
L810[02:53:42] <SickWhale> Do you have an example for more values?
L811[02:54:49] <The P​atmann> I'm storing the entire thing in a binary file, but OC doesn't really do binary so cleanly, so I end up turning it into byte sized chunks and treating them like characters in a string
L812[02:54:55] <sapphicf​ettucine> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/ifuqecirec
L813[02:55:15] <Michiyo> ffs, the formatting code is effecting codeblocks
L814[02:55:20] <Michiyo> Damn it >_>
L815[02:55:26] <Izaya> OC does binary files fine?
L816[02:55:41] <Izaya> Just specify {r,w}b when you open the file
L817[02:56:00] <sapphicf​ettucine> >Michiyo: ffs, the formatting code is effecting codeblocks
L818[02:56:00] <sapphicf​ettucine> oop, i can remove it in future
L819[02:56:31] <sapphicf​ettucine> or wait do you mean something that's not the \`\`\`rust :p
L820[02:56:33] <SickWhale> It's a bit weird.
L821[02:56:41] <Michiyo> No no, it's nothing you're doing wrong. The bot sees 2 underscores, and tries to make it an italic
L822[02:56:44] <Michiyo> then pastebins it.
L823[02:56:58] <Michiyo> https://paste.pc-logix.com/ifuqecirec
L824[02:57:23] <SickWhale> Oh. You went ahead.
L825[02:58:10] <sapphicf​ettucine> >Michiyo: No no, it's nothing you're doing wrong. The bot sees 2 underscores, and tries to m…
L826[02:58:10] <sapphicf​ettucine> oh lmao
L827[02:58:32] <SickWhale> No idea what "a" and "b" is.\
L828[02:58:35] <sapphicf​ettucine> >SickWhale: It's a bit weird.
L829[02:58:35] <sapphicf​ettucine> well, it's generated by macro
L830[02:58:43] <sapphicf​ettucine> fields of a struct
L831[02:58:45] <Michiyo> it *shouldn't* do anything inside a codeblock, but it is.
L832[02:59:10] <SickWhale> Generators of all kinds are the source of all evil.
L833[02:59:13] <sapphicf​ettucine> it should be blocked from it
L834[02:59:27] <sapphicf​ettucine> >SickWhale: Generators of all kinds are the source of all evil.
L835[02:59:27] <sapphicf​ettucine> and evil is fun!
L836[02:59:40] <SickWhale> Not if you have to maintain it.
L837[03:00:46] <SickWhale> I love evil APIs as much as all evil coders but such stuff should be considered KOS.
L838[03:02:16] <Michiyo> Restarting Corded
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L842[03:02:45] <Michiyo> Ok, maybe that fixed it, IDK. I'm a sign not a programmer.
L843[03:03:05] <SickWhale> I'm a drunk and not a person.
L844[03:03:20] <SickWhale> Can we eat salad together?
L845[03:03:24] <Michiyo> No
L846[03:03:28] <SickWhale> Great.
L847[03:03:54] <SickWhale> The heck is a sign?
L848[03:04:21] <ThePi​Guy24> depends ;p
L849[03:04:37] <SickWhale> My cat is upset.
L850[03:05:08] <SickWhale> I guess it wants me to stop bothering it with my shenanigans in the middlle of the night.
L851[03:05:22] <SickWhale> Hecking creature.
L852[03:06:32] <The P​atmann> wb is equivalent to w currently
L853[03:06:32] <The P​atmann> >Izaya: Just specify {r,w}b when you open the file
L854[03:06:39] <The P​atmann> Atleast according to the docs
L855[03:07:06] <Izaya> The docs are lying.
L856[03:07:14] <The P​atmann> Bruh...
L857[03:07:23] <SickWhale> The heck are you trying to do? :D
L858[03:07:28] <The P​atmann> I made a little library for this thing for no reason!
L859[03:07:31] <Izaya> I know because I've had stuff break when I didn't specify {r,w}b mode
L860[03:07:34] <Izaya> :p
L861[03:07:41] <The P​atmann> Ah well, it was fun while I was working on it.
L862[03:08:19] <Izaya> this was something sapphicf​ettucine would probably be into, stream compression for over a network or reading/writing files
L863[03:09:10] <Izaya> if I didn't make the buffer object with a -b mode it'd spew garbage from both ends
L864[03:09:20] <SickWhale> Ur a weird bunch.
L865[03:09:30] <The P​atmann> Yes. Yes I am
L866[03:09:36] <ThePi​Guy24> dont know what you expected when you came here
L867[03:09:54] <The P​atmann> This is a computer nerd den, not sure what you expected :P
L868[03:10:04] <SickWhale> People to insult I guess?
L869[03:10:16] <CompanionCube> why were you expecting people to insult
L870[03:10:45] <SickWhale> Not much to do.
L871[03:11:12] <CompanionCube> o.o
L872[03:11:13] <The P​atmann> Ah, well, that'd explain why you behave as you do
L873[03:11:33] <SickWhale> Well, there wasn't that much insulting.
L874[03:11:54] <The P​atmann> Right, but I can see why you had such a pessimistic attitude
L875[03:12:02] <CompanionCube> how quickly was your original intention derailed hah
L876[03:12:03] <SickWhale> No, that's natural.
L877[03:12:20] <SickWhale> My original intent is where it was.
L878[03:12:58] <The P​atmann> If you want to insult someone, insult the forge dev team for deciding 32bit signed ints are a good idea for their energy API
L879[03:13:07] <The P​atmann> They'll probably understand if you just say those keywords
L880[03:13:10] <SickWhale> This again.
L881[03:13:19] <The P​atmann> I am salty about it
L882[03:13:20] <SickWhale> Why would it matter in java? xD
L883[03:13:42] <The P​atmann> I have to give up a ton of precision for my power system for no good reason
L884[03:13:46] <SickWhale> Did you manage to overflow it?
L885[03:14:05] <SickWhale> Precision on int?
L886[03:14:06] <The P​atmann> It caps it at 2^31-1 even if it's actually higher
L887[03:14:14] <SickWhale> The heck were you doing?
L888[03:14:18] <The P​atmann> Which is a problem with the nuclearcraft batteries
L889[03:14:29] <The P​atmann> 2 Elite Li+ bats are enough to overflow apparently
L890[03:14:43] <The P​atmann> Except that they handle it correctly with doubles instead of tiny ints
L891[03:14:57] <SickWhale> Oh my. xD
L892[03:15:25] <The P​atmann> But since they use the FE API it gets truncated >n<
L893[03:15:35] <The P​atmann> But since they use the FE API it gets truncated when communicating with OC >n< [Edited]
L894[03:15:44] <SickWhale> No idea what FE api even is.
L895[03:15:50] <The P​atmann> Forge Energy
L896[03:15:57] <SickWhale> Sounds evil.
L897[03:16:17] <The P​atmann> I'd have to agree
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L901[04:21:36] * Amanda looks over to see if the.dumpster still burns, puts some rabbits on sticks near it to cook while she zzzmews
L902[04:21:38] <Amanda> Night nerds
L903[04:21:44] <Michiyo> Night Amanda
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L909[06:45:35] <Forec​aster> Well this was an... interesting.... read, yes
L910[06:46:02] <Forec​aster> Michiyo I'm sorry I'm a bad influence on MichiBot (but also not sorry)
L911[06:47:03] <Forec​aster> When I actually have time to finish the userdata table I'm going to enable MichiBot to store a gender for a user, for use in command output where appropriate
L912[06:51:40] <Wario​r4356> So... I like to think I know how to code, and I've written some code I'm pretty proud of from a functionality standpoint, but I don't have a very good knowledge of the energy costs of the different functions and I'm not sure how to optimize this for power usage.
L913[06:52:23] <Forec​aster> Is there a reason you're worried about power usage?
L914[06:52:46] <Wario​r4356> Yes.
L915[06:53:03] <Wario​r4356> It's a geolyzer based mining program, and doing a single layer of mining is taking thousands of energy.
L916[06:53:14] <Wario​r4356> I'd rather not have to send it home multiple times per bore hole.
L917[06:53:58] <Forec​aster> you probably can't really do anything about the power the geolyzer uses
L918[06:54:06] <Wario​r4356> Here's the program if you're curious. https://tinyurl.com/y89tjgdg
L919[06:54:14] <Wario​r4356> I don't think the geolyzer is the hungry part here.
L920[06:54:23] <Wario​r4356> I think it's findWaypoints
L921[06:56:43] <Wario​r4356> Message contained 4 or more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/jusasubili
L922[06:56:51] <Wario​r4356> Programically it works.
L923[06:57:09] <Wario​r4356> But, it has the power to do... like... 4 layers? before it runs dangerously low.
L924[06:57:21] <Wario​r4356> I could swap the inventory upgrades for batteries.
L925[06:57:52] <Forec​aster> the energy costs are defined in the config in the `cost {` section
L926[06:58:01] <Wario​r4356> Maybe a generator, burning coal as it goes? IDK how to address the power usage and I figured I might be doing something really wasteful in the code.
L927[06:59:10] <Forec​aster> for example moving costs 15 units, turning costs 2.5 units
L928[06:59:20] <Wario​r4356> What does detect cost?
L929[06:59:55] <Forec​aster> 10
L930[07:00:07] <Wario​r4356> Okay, so I can optimize my movement a little there.
L931[07:00:13] <Forec​aster> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/aqetupaqof
L932[07:00:19] <Wario​r4356> Since I've got it moving and failing rather than detecting
L933[07:00:38] <Wario​r4356> Is that per block or per scan?
L934[07:00:56] <Forec​aster> it says what it says, I don't know any more than that
L935[07:01:08] <Wario​r4356> Looking on github, I think it's per scan.
L936[07:01:50] <Forec​aster> also if you want to save power and the robot has a screen, those use power
L937[07:02:03] <Wario​r4356> Noted
L938[07:02:22] <Forec​aster> the more characters that are displayed the more power is used per tick
L939[07:03:02] <Wario​r4356> Noted.
L940[07:04:45] <Wario​r4356> Okay, the lazy answer is, add a generator upgrade and make it burn coal.
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L942[07:05:00] <Wario​r4356> Each piece of coal is 1280 energy
L943[07:28:48] <Forec​aster> %sip
L944[07:28:49] <MichiBot> You drink a shiny moonstone potion (New!). Everything Forecaster says is now in Wingdings for 9 seconds.
L945[07:30:36] <Michiyo> %sip
L946[07:30:36] <MichiBot> You drink a cloudy cyan potion (New!). Michiyo: Nothing seemed to happen...
L947[07:30:42] <Michiyo> huh
L948[07:31:08] <Forec​aster> but maybe something did, somewhere
L949[08:04:05] <Va​ur> %tonk
L950[08:04:06] <MichiBot> Darn! Va​ur! You beat Mic​hiyo's previous record of 6 hours, 24 minutes and 8 seconds (By 12 minutes and 2 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L951[08:04:07] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 6 hours, 36 minutes and 11 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.0014 (0.0002 x 7) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #1.
L952[08:04:13] <Michiyo> Damn it!
L953[08:04:18] <Michiyo> I was typing that.
L954[08:04:37] <Forec​aster> I forgot 😐
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L962[10:58:26] <Crisplocket1489> Heya
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L964[11:16:55] <Amanda> Forecaster Michiyo also this time is not entirely forecasters fault, I added a stats command when I got trusted, but it's %ocstats since sometime around then Michiyo commented something that made me think she was upset about MichiBot becoming to specific to #oc
L965[11:16:55] <MichiBot> https://irclogs.pc-logix.com/ssstats/oc/index.html
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L968[12:26:58] <Crisp​locket> Hey look its me
L969[12:26:58] <Crisp​locket> >Crisplocket1489: Heya
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L979[16:09:44] <Va​ur> %tonkout
L980[16:09:45] <MichiBot> Yay! Va​ur! You beat your own previous record of 6 hours, 36 minutes and 11 seconds (By 1 hour, 29 minutes and 28 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L981[16:09:46] <MichiBot> Va​ur has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.008 tonk points! plus 0.014 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 1.13094432, Position #1
L982[16:53:46] <Forec​aster> %command del ocstats
L983[16:53:50] <Forec​aster> oh wait
L984[16:54:14] <Forecaster> %command update ocstats %stats%
L985[16:54:15] <MichiBot> Forec​aster: Unknown sub-command 'update ocstats' (Try: add, del (delete, rem, remove), addhelp (sethelp, help), print, edit, placeholders, prefixes)
L986[16:54:24] <Forecaster> %command edit ocstats %stats%
L987[16:54:26] <MichiBot> Forec​aster: Invalid arguments. %command edit Command:string Content:string
L988[16:54:38] <Forecaster> %command edit ocstats "%stats%"
L989[16:54:38] <MichiBot> Forecaster: Command Edited
L990[16:54:52] <Forec​aster> I'm a dumb
L991[16:56:20] <sapphicf​ettucine> good irc proxy pfp
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L993[17:02:23] <Forec​aster> %splash @sapphicfettucine
L994[17:02:23] <MichiBot> You fling a smooth aqua potion (New!) that splashes onto @sapphicfettucine. @sapphicfettucine feels like one particular wasp has it out for them suddenly.
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L996[17:02:59] <sapphicf​ettucine> rude >:
L997[17:03:20] <Corded> * <Forec​aster> blames the wasp
L998[17:03:34] <sapphicf​ettucine> %blame forecaster
L999[17:03:34] * MichiBot blames forecaster for Half-life 3 not being out
L1000[17:03:53] <Forec​aster> hey, I only accidentally deleted about a third of it
L1001[17:04:29] <sapphicf​ettucine> should've deleted 50%, then you could say you got half it's life
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L1007[18:29:52] <Michiyo> Right, Amanda... sorry about that. At the time MichiBot was being used in other channels. These days she's in other channels but meh.
L1008[18:56:26] <Michiyo> %tonk
L1009[18:56:26] <MichiBot> Swell! Mic​hiyo! You beat Va​ur's previous record of <0 (By 2 hours, 46 minutes and 41 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L1010[18:56:27] <MichiBot> Michiyo's new record is 2 hours, 46 minutes and 41 seconds! Michiyo also gained 0.00278 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #3. Need 0.04401568 more points to pass Forec​aster!
L1011[19:02:25] <Mic​hiyo> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/sesanisaci
L1012[19:02:40] <Michiyo> yay, that fix did actually work
L1013[19:03:04] <Forec​aster> woo
L1014[19:27:43] <Amanda> Michiyo: nothing to appologise for, my own brain doesn't make sense to me most of the time, you can't be held responsible for not guessing it's output. :P
L1015[19:29:36] <Forec​aster> not while the crystal ball is in the shop at least
L1016[20:29:23] <Amanda> I think we should contact somone, they've been holding ont it for awhile now
L1017[20:40:23] ⇨ Joins: ben_mkiv (~ben_mkiv@200116b81470c600fe3497fffea975f2.dip.versatel-1u1.de)
L1018[21:34:59] <Michiyo> Yeah, supposedly it's an issue getting parts./
L1019[22:41:18] <Z0id​berg> We can rebuild Michiyo
L1020[22:41:21] <Z0id​berg> We have the technology
L1021[22:42:07] <Z0id​berg> I mean it worked on this guy here:
L1022[22:42:07] <Z0id​berg> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/125649403162656768/957287301422145616/Wrx5ihz.jpeg
L1023[22:43:43] ⇦ Quits: Vexatos (~Vexatos@port-92-192-140-143.dynamic.as20676.net) (Quit: Insert quantum chemistry joke here)
L1024[23:51:02] <Michiyo> %tonkout
L1025[23:51:02] <MichiBot> Zounderkite! Mic​hiyo! You beat your own previous record of 2 hours, 46 minutes and 41 seconds (By 2 hours, 7 minutes and 54 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L1026[23:51:03] <MichiBot> Mic​hiyo has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.004 tonk points! plus 0.006 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 0.8083, Position #3 Need 0.03401568 more points to pass Forec​aster!
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