L1[00:15:02] <Amanda> Izaya: I realize you
were probably being at least partially fasticious, but individual
app volume sliders is something I genuinely use. Crank down the
game I'm playing by 25% while I listen to podcasts, eg. And doing
it that way means next time I play the game I'm not cranking up the
laptops master volume because the game is too wuiet
L2[00:17:11] <ben_mkiv> what kind of game
doesn't allow volume control on its own?
L3[00:18:36] <ben_mkiv> honestly pulse makes
it in the top10 of my worst software experiences
L4[00:18:46] <ben_mkiv> probably top5
L5[00:18:51] <Amanda> ben_mkiv: see second
part. If I crank down the games master volume in the game, it saves
that cranked down value in it's config (as it should!) But that
just makes lizard brain Amanda crank up my entire laptops master
volume next time I launch the game and I'm not listening to
podcasts/music/etc
L6[00:19:10] <ben_mkiv> ok
L7[00:19:43] <ben_mkiv> pretty sure if you
sacrifice a day of your life to alsa config, you can archive
something similar with pure alsa :P
L8[00:20:01] <ben_mkiv> something like
virtual device with own softmixer to dmix
L9[00:20:20] <Amanda> It lets me normalize
games master volume for whatever I'm focusing on at the moment, and
since pulse doesn't store that volume state anywhere, next time I
launch the game it's a clean slate
L10[00:20:42] <ben_mkiv> it's not a bug,
it's a feature :D
L11[00:21:43] <Amanda> Yeah yeah, but it
means I just need to poke the game's master volume while it's the
primary task, and never again
L12[00:21:54] <Amanda> (in-game master
volume)
L13[00:23:18] <Amanda> Before pulse my
laptop sound settings was an ever going march to 100+%
L14[00:24:18] <Amanda> Every context switch
ran the risk of upping the laptop volume further. And with my ADHD,
those happen a lot
L15[00:24:34] <ben_mkiv> that pulse volume
thing reminds me of https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/workflow_2x.png
L16[00:27:01] <Amanda> I mean. It is kinda
the intended usecase of individual app volume sliders, granted it'd
be busted slightly if they finally fixed persistence, but then I'd
just have to train myself to check the pulse mixer before poking
the game audio
L17[00:27:40] <Izaya> Amanda: I use pulse
on my machines nowadays, not 100% serious
L18[00:28:17] <Amanda> Also, I have no idea
if it's any different with today's audio chips, but an additional
benifit of pulse is that I don't have my eardrums ruptured when I
plug in my headset because it maintains a seperate percentage for
that
L19[00:29:04] <Amanda> something which
wasn't possible with vanilla ALSA
L20[00:29:15] <Izaya> pulseaudio has been
stable since pipewire became a thing for some reason :^)
L21[00:29:37] <Amanda> It's the inverse
apple deprecation curve
L22[00:29:48] <Izaya> on an unrelated note
does anyone know of a fan mount for 5.25" bays that isn't part
of a HDD cage?
L23[00:30:19] <Elfi> What's your height
profile?
L24[00:30:31] <Izaya> I have 5 bays that I
don't have any other use for
L25[00:30:42] <Izaya> so the bigger and
quieter the fans the better
L26[00:31:27] <Amanda> Elfi: maybe 19 to
32in, why? :P
L27[00:32:01] <lunar_sam> Izaya: i use
pipewire on my desktop and pulse on my laptop lmao
L28[00:32:10] <Amanda> oh wait, that's my
length profile, height is 10-16in
L29[00:32:11] <Izaya> living on the edge
eh
L30[00:32:16] <Amanda> I reaad the google
wrong
L31[00:32:40] <Amanda> I went back to pulse
from pipewire, I'd rather the broken experience where I can still
control the master volume of my laptop
L32[00:33:01] <Izaya> there's plenty of
these things around but that's a bunch of metal I don't actually
need https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003463851405.html
L33[00:33:12] <Izaya> though having extra
HDD slots might be nice i guess
L34[00:33:47] <lunar_sam> pipewire Works On
My Machine(tm)
L35[00:34:13] <lunar_sam> ended up having
less jank with pipewire, it was kinda just
L36[00:34:15] <lunar_sam> install and
go
L37[00:34:23] <Amanda> pipewire-pulse just
heccing dies, because it's unable to bind to the socket for
whatever reason
L38[00:34:39] <Amanda> which makes my
volume control widget in my waybar break, and my terminal
hang
L39[00:34:42] <Amanda> ( on BEL )
L40[00:34:52] <Izaya> shout-out to pipewire
for killing my pulseaudio when OBS pulled it in
L41[00:35:07] <lunar_sam> no config fuckery
to stop the weird issues i've had with SB Audigy cards (fucking
sample rate issues, iirc)
L42[00:35:15] <lunar_sam> might have also
been a buffer size issue?
L43[00:35:17] <lunar_sam> don't remember
tbh
L44[00:36:58] <lunar_sam> i had the problem
with my Audigy 2, and then had a similar problem with the Audgy
Rx
L45[00:37:14] <lunar_sam> there was also a
fun issue i had where it just
L46[00:37:24] <lunar_sam> wouldn't fucking
let me use the card
L47[00:37:31] <lunar_sam> and i have no
clue how i fixed that
L48[00:37:32] <lunar_sam> lmfao
L49[00:38:28] <lunar_sam> why does IDEA
have a fuckton of updates
L50[00:38:31] <lunar_sam> only when i'm on
LTE
L51[00:38:56] <lunar_sam> and really need
to install packages so i can make a particular tool
L52[00:44:07] <lunar_sam> oh, kicad gets in
on the action too
L53[00:44:10] <lunar_sam> fun
L54[00:44:53] <lunar_sam> anyways
L55[00:44:57] <lunar_sam> while i'm waiting
on fuckin
L56[00:45:01] <lunar_sam> arch to
update
L57[00:45:20] <lunar_sam> how do you feel
about my disorganized as fuck plane game rambles
L58[00:48:54] <lunar_sam> FUCK
L59[00:48:56] <lunar_sam> WRONG CHAT
L60[00:49:00] <lunar_sam> lmfao
L61[00:49:37] <lunar_sam> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VowRmqyg7EM have a
fox instead
L62[00:55:03] 
<Ocawesome101> for what it's worth, i've
had pretty much zero issues with pipewire
<Ocawesome101> for what it's worth, i've
had pretty much zero issues with pipewireL63[00:55:39] <Ocawesome101> if i could configure it to
automatically switch to my headset microphone that would be nice,
but that's a very small nitpick and i don't use said microphone
much anyway
<Ocawesome101> if i could configure it to
automatically switch to my headset microphone that would be nice,
but that's a very small nitpick and i don't use said microphone
much anywayL64[00:57:23] <lunar_sam> anyways, i wanna
create a tool to like
L65[00:57:39] <lunar_sam> visualize and
dissect binary files, i guess is the best way to describe it
L66[00:57:42] <lunar_sam> like wireshark
for files
L67[01:03:05] <inkoate>
objdump?
<inkoate>
objdump?L68[01:03:20] <inkoate>
UI isn't as nice as wireshark, sadly.
<inkoate>
UI isn't as nice as wireshark, sadly.L69[01:03:43] <Amanda> isn't objdump for
reading ELF files?
L70[01:04:05] <Amanda> - DWARF + Etc
L71[01:04:07] <inkoate>
yeah. lunar_sam didn't say what kind of binary.
<inkoate>
yeah. lunar_sam didn't say what kind of binary.L72[01:04:24] <Amanda> Ah, I assumed they
meant arbitary binaries
L73[01:04:25] <inkoate>
So, yeah, only a good suggestion if that's what you're looking for.
🙂
<inkoate>
So, yeah, only a good suggestion if that's what you're looking for.
🙂L74[01:04:32] <lunar_sam> > Ah, I
assumed they meant arbitary binaries
L75[01:04:34] <lunar_sam> that i did!
L76[01:04:50] <lunar_sam> as in
L77[01:04:51] <lunar_sam> just
L78[01:04:55] <Amanda> theres's another
GNOME-adjacent tool for that, but I forget what it's called
L79[01:05:03] <Amanda> I remember stumbling
upon it on the GNOME github
L80[01:05:04] <lunar_sam> like
L81[01:05:06] <Amanda>
s/github/gitlab/
L82[01:05:06] <MichiBot> <Amanda> I
remember stumbling upon it on the GNOME gitlab
L83[01:05:54] <lunar_sam> well, non-text
files is what i'm trying to say, mostly wanna have it for looking
at my file formats and actually more easily understanding what's
going on lmao
L84[01:06:00] <lunar_sam> counting bytes is
annoying
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L86[01:30:16] <Izaya> https://shadowkat.net/tmp/3475.jpg
L87[01:30:41] <Ocawesome101> izaya: what is that
<Ocawesome101> izaya: what is thatL88[01:31:33] <Izaya> that is the single
gaudiest computer case I've ever had the ... experience of
interacting with
L89[01:32:24] <lunar_sam> man
L90[01:32:26] <lunar_sam> sometimes
L91[01:32:32] <lunar_sam> youtube
recommendations are on point
L92[01:32:34] <lunar_sam> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgYKNjeUbQg
L93[01:34:16] *
Amanda asks Elfi to reveal the Secret That Shall Break The
Universe, reads some more
L94[01:34:29] * Elfi
hmmms
L95[01:34:42] <Elfi> I don't think I have
one of those
L96[01:34:50] <Amanda> probably for the
best
L97[01:39:42] <lunar_sam> damn this update
do be taking a while
L98[01:39:47] <lunar_sam> with 747 packages
updated
L99[01:44:27] <lunar_sam> even better when
it fails at the final step before installing
L100[01:44:46] <lunar_sam> because of a
GTK theme
L101[01:51:08] <Mr.
Crowbar> Hey, I'm having Trouble turning off power consumption
for the computers, Is anybody having the same problem?
<Mr.
Crowbar> Hey, I'm having Trouble turning off power consumption
for the computers, Is anybody having the same problem?L102[01:58:43] <Ariri> %invite
L103[01:58:52] <Ariri> uh
L104[01:58:54] <Ariri> %discord
L105[01:58:54] <MichiBot> https://discord.gg/0hVukoQ2KYm2aoXh
L106[02:02:15] <Klonade>
pog
<Klonade>
pogL107[02:03:31] <inkoate>
Man, there still isn't a great solution for FE generation on
1.18.
<inkoate>
Man, there still isn't a great solution for FE generation on
1.18.L108[02:06:12] <Mr.
Crowbar> Guys i still have my problem
<Mr.
Crowbar> Guys i still have my problemL109[02:06:18] <Mr.
Crowbar> I still need help
<Mr.
Crowbar> I still need helpL110[02:06:55] <Mr.
Crowbar> i still need to disable the power usage in Open
Computer
<Mr.
Crowbar> i still need to disable the power usage in Open
ComputerL111[02:13:40] <Amanda> Maybe if your
described what you tried, and what's not working and how it's
failing we could help
L112[02:14:12] <Amanda> I'd this still a
command %dontasktoask
L113[02:14:12] <MichiBot> http://sol.gfxile.net/dontask.html
L114[02:14:30] <inkoate>
Or even which actual mod you're using, since OC2 is now a
thing
<inkoate>
Or even which actual mod you're using, since OC2 is now a
thingL115[02:15:31] <Amanda> That too
L116[02:15:53] <Amanda> Especially since I
don't think oc2 has an off switch for power usage
L117[02:16:38] <inkoate>
Yeah, I don't think it does yet? 🙂
<inkoate>
Yeah, I don't think it does yet? 🙂L118[02:20:17] <Amanda> %tell Inari look,
it's a stroke of genius to install a kill switch in all your
released ships that you can activate in PvP, but maybe you should
make it less obvious than a bunch of flashing lights leading to a
redstone CPU
L119[02:20:17] <MichiBot> Amanda: Inari
will be notified of this message when next seen.
L120[02:21:01] <Amanda> %tell Inari also,
maybe you shouldn't harvest the copper on the ziplines, it might
make it a bit hard to get around
L121[02:21:02] <MichiBot> Amanda: Inari
will be notified of this message when next seen.
L122[02:40:21] <inkoate>
What on earth mod are you talking about there?
<inkoate>
What on earth mod are you talking about there?L123[02:42:20] <Amanda> Amanda
dream-craft
L124[02:42:46] <Amanda> ( that is, it was
from a dream I had )
L125[02:45:22] *
Amanda curls up around Elfi, offers to trade her two Fermi cards
for a grandfather card
L126[02:45:31] *
Amanda zzzmews
L127[02:45:34] <Amanda> Night nerds
L128[02:55:34] <lunar_sam>
oh yeah
<lunar_sam>
oh yeahL129[02:55:39] <lunar_sam>
i need to make tsukinet :)
<lunar_sam>
i need to make tsukinet :)L130[03:05:35]
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L134[04:10:30] <Ocawesome101> hmm
<Ocawesome101> hmmL135[04:10:41] <Ocawesome101> i restarted our internet
antenna and suddenly our connection is better again
<Ocawesome101> i restarted our internet
antenna and suddenly our connection is better againL136[04:10:55] <Ocawesome101> that doesn't happen
often
<Ocawesome101> that doesn't happen
oftenL137[04:11:18] <Ocawesome101> but in this case i think we
were being routed through a server that was having issues about
halfway between here and the rest of the internet; restarting the
router fixed that
<Ocawesome101> but in this case i think we
were being routed through a server that was having issues about
halfway between here and the rest of the internet; restarting the
router fixed thatL138[04:12:24] <lunar_sam> okay
L139[04:12:28] <lunar_sam> finally have
wxlua installed
L140[04:49:59] <Izaya> https://shadowkat.net/tmp/ab3f.png
L141[04:51:07] <Izaya> 6700k and 32GB of
RAM now \o/
L142[05:10:03] <lunar_sam> nice!
L143[05:10:05] <Ocawesome101> nice
<Ocawesome101> niceL144[05:11:12] <lunar_sam> so let's
see
L145[05:11:18] <lunar_sam> what features
should i add
L146[05:12:18] <Ocawesome101> all of them!
<Ocawesome101> all of them!L147[05:12:35] <lunar_sam> lmao
L148[05:12:35] <lunar_sam> i think
like
L149[05:12:59] <Vaur>
%tonkout
<Vaur>
%tonkoutL150[05:13:00] <MichiBot> Eureka! Vaur!
You beat your own previous record of 4 hours and 58 minutes (By 3
hours, 14 minutes and 45 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L151[05:13:01] <MichiBot> Vaur has tonked
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L152[05:13:05] <lunar_sam> letting formats
have data you can expand when you click on them
L153[05:13:10] <lunar_sam> for compressed
data
L154[05:13:12] <lunar_sam> would be
useful
L155[05:13:26] <lunar_sam> also links to
jump to other parts of the file
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L158[05:55:05] <Izaya> https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/02/radio-station-snafu-in-seattle-bricks-some-mazda-infotainment-systems/
L159[05:55:26] <Izaya> a rare case of
everyone being at fault
L160[05:56:29] <lunar_sam> i cannot get
over that
L161[05:56:33] <lunar_sam> and apparently
it's happened before
L162[05:56:38] <lunar_sam> we have gone
too far with tech
L163[06:32:27] <sapphicfettucine> opencomputers2's
projector update is too much power
<sapphicfettucine> opencomputers2's
projector update is too much powerL164[06:32:40] <lunar_sam> huh?
L165[06:32:54] <sapphicfettucine> i am staring in
disbelief at my screen as it renders an actual jpeg in
minecraft
<sapphicfettucine> i am staring in
disbelief at my screen as it renders an actual jpeg in
minecraftL166[06:33:56] <sapphicfettucine> i was already surprised
when rust with the standard library compiled but the fact that i
can just. throw some off-the-shelf libraries at it and have a jpeg
rendered in-game is. so wild to me
<sapphicfettucine> i was already surprised
when rust with the standard library compiled but the fact that i
can just. throw some off-the-shelf libraries at it and have a jpeg
rendered in-game is. so wild to meL167[06:35:18] <Ocawesome101> nifty
<Ocawesome101> niftyL168[06:35:38] <lunar_sam> neat
L169[06:35:40] <Ocawesome101> inb4 full graphical os for
oc2
<Ocawesome101> inb4 full graphical os for
oc2L170[06:35:48] <lunar_sam> don't tempt
me
L171[06:35:56] <lunar_sam> i say knowing
damn well i won't ever do it
L172[06:36:01] <lunar_sam> "tsuki in
OC2 when?"
L173[06:36:38] <sapphicfettucine> there's a sedna PR that
adds a virtual GPU which supposedly can run xorg
<sapphicfettucine> there's a sedna PR that
adds a virtual GPU which supposedly can run xorgL174[06:37:28] <Forecaster> %sip
<Forecaster> %sipL175[06:37:29] <MichiBot> You drink a
goopy boneboo potion (New!). True enlightenment can be achieved by
drinking another potion. [Timeout reset]
L176[06:37:39] <Forecaster> %sip
<Forecaster> %sipL178[06:43:34] <lunar_sam> neat
L179[06:43:43] <lunar_sam> i'm working on
my funny hex editor
L180[07:30:43] <lunar_sam> i have to make
the actual editor part myself
L181[07:30:43] <lunar_sam> lol
L182[07:30:44] <lunar_sam> lmao
L183[07:30:58] <lunar_sam> time to delve
into `pain`
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L187[08:06:57] <Bob>
>sapphicfettucine: i was already surprised when rust with the
standard library compiled b…
<Bob>
>sapphicfettucine: i was already surprised when rust with the
standard library compiled b…L188[08:06:57] <Bob> yeah,
the odd thing is that i can get std and stuff to compile, but the
second i go `no_std` it breaks completly
<Bob> yeah,
the odd thing is that i can get std and stuff to compile, but the
second i go `no_std` it breaks completlyL189[08:07:26] <Bob> i yet
have to finish my HLAPI adapter and start the MMIO adapter
<Bob> i yet
have to finish my HLAPI adapter and start the MMIO adapterL190[08:23:26] <sapphicfettucine> >Bob: yeah, the odd
thing is that i can get std and stuff to compile, but the second i
go…
<sapphicfettucine> >Bob: yeah, the odd
thing is that i can get std and stuff to compile, but the second i
go…L191[08:23:26] <sapphicfettucine> are you getting a
not_found error?
<sapphicfettucine> are you getting a
not_found error?L192[08:23:30] <sapphicfettucine> are you getting a not
found error? [Edited]
<sapphicfettucine> are you getting a not
found error? [Edited]L193[08:44:57] <Bob>
>sapphicfettucine: are you getting a not found error?
<Bob>
>sapphicfettucine: are you getting a not found error?L194[08:44:57] <Bob> a lot
of nonsense
<Bob> a lot
of nonsenseL195[09:06:40]
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L197[09:16:27] <Bob>
anyways, ill use `std`, i got a hello world down to 26kb
<Bob>
anyways, ill use `std`, i got a hello world down to 26kbL198[09:16:38] <Bob> even
if a little absurdly fat, it'll do for me
<Bob> even
if a little absurdly fat, it'll do for meL199[09:16:52] <Bob> now i
wonder if i can have each dependency be a dynamic library
<Bob> now i
wonder if i can have each dependency be a dynamic libraryL200[09:17:08] <Bob> so i
can have multiple executables link dynamically against serde to
save space
<Bob> so i
can have multiple executables link dynamically against serde to
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L202[10:58:29] <dequbed> Rust doesn't
define a dynamic linking ABI so no, not currently. At least not
with reasonable efford.
L203[11:20:26] <Bob> yeah
i know that it lacks an ABI
<Bob> yeah
i know that it lacks an ABIL204[11:20:44] <Bob> but
there sure must be some conistency if you use the same toolchain
for all the builds ? 🤔
<Bob> but
there sure must be some conistency if you use the same toolchain
for all the builds ? 🤔L205[11:28:52] <dequbed> That's not how
this works.
L206[11:29:26] <Bob> ill
figure something out 🦀
<Bob> ill
figure something out 🦀L207[11:30:20] <dequbed> The fact that you
do not know how Rusts build process works or how dynamic linking
has to be designed makes me severely doubt that.
L208[11:36:55] <Bob> it
ran in OC2, thats all thats needed
<Bob> it
ran in OC2, thats all thats neededL209[11:47:56] <ThePiGuy24> just pass random arguments to
the compiler until it does what you want
<ThePiGuy24> just pass random arguments to
the compiler until it does what you wantL210[11:55:53] <Bob>
this
<Bob>
thisL211[11:55:56] <Bob> wise
words
<Bob> wise
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L215[12:54:36] <Forecaster> %sip
<Forecaster> %sipL216[12:54:37] <MichiBot> You drink a
shining emerald potion (New!). Forecaster gains a negligible amount
of luck.
L217[12:54:58] <Forecaster> Enlightenment is luck
<Forecaster> Enlightenment is luckL218[12:57:50] <Amanda> Izaya: I'd say
Mazda is mostly at fault,, for not bothering to validate the input
and running random things sent over FM radio
L219[12:58:06] <Amanda> (yes, it's an
RCE)
L220[12:58:53] <Amanda> It thought a jpeg
sent with no extension was something it was meant to run locally,
with root.
L221[13:03:01] <dequbed> Amanda: This
story is getting worse every minute. I should make popcorn
already
L222[13:03:48] <Amanda> dequbed: imagine,
for a one-time FCC fine during a popular sportsball podcast, you
could generate whole dollars in bitcoin with infotainment
systems!
L223[13:03:56] <Amanda> er, broadcast
even
L224[13:05:05] <dequbed> Well I mean I
don't care about the exploiters side. The engineers side is always
the more interesting one
L225[13:05:08] <Bob>
https://docs.rs/filedescriptor/latest/filedescriptor/fn.poll.html
that looks useful for interacting with the `/dev` HLAPI, its even
async
<Bob>
https://docs.rs/filedescriptor/latest/filedescriptor/fn.poll.html
that looks useful for interacting with the `/dev` HLAPI, its even
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L227[13:08:43] <dequbed> @Bob On linux you
want epoll instead of poll. Rust has the `mio` crate which is a
very good implementation making use of mechanisms like epoll.
L228[13:09:25] <dequbed> If you're on a
Linux currently, `man 7 epoll` gives a good overview over what
epoll is and how it works.
L230[13:12:16] <dequbed> Pretty sure the
OC2 Linux has no man pages at all
L231[13:13:08] <Bob> i
wish that was OC2 lol
<Bob> i
wish that was OC2 lolL232[13:13:17] <Bob> its
Termux, i'm not home yet
<Bob> its
Termux, i'm not home yetL233[13:13:27] <dequbed> You can also just
do `man epoll`, but that selects the first match without
considering the section so e.g. `man printf` gives you the man page
for the shell command/builtin printf (in section 1) and you need to
do `man 3 printf` to get to the C function (libc is section
3)
L234[13:14:16] <Amanda> There's also
websites which host man pages, but they may not be up to daate, or
relevent for your OS/OC2's version of linux
L235[13:14:48] <dequbed> epoll didn't
change much since 2.6 so whatever man page you find will be
relevant still
L236[13:15:14] <dequbed> But for things
like io_uring (which you need for async *file* I/O) what Amanda
said is important.
L237[13:19:03] <Bob> it
would be interesting to have `async`
<Bob> it
would be interesting to have `async`L238[13:19:29] <dequbed> Async file I/O is
rarely relevant and on a platform like OC2 not worth any additional
efford.
L239[13:21:02] <dequbed> Async socket I/O
e.g. for serial ports or network is pretty useful but again, best
done with epoll because io_uring isn't trivial to do, not easy to
get right and (comparatively) very badly documented since its still
in it's infant shoes in comparison and a completely different
aproach than epoll which itself is just a evolution of poll and
thus covered in many tutorials and guides for any leve.
L240[13:24:36] <Z0idberg>
Those walmartians are so good at math
<Z0idberg>
Those walmartians are so good at mathL242[13:29:34] <inkoate>
I'm still not sure what the hell kind of thing `/dev/mvc0` IS in
OC2.
<inkoate>
I'm still not sure what the hell kind of thing `/dev/mvc0` IS in
OC2.L243[13:29:45] <inkoate>
It is a file? A socket? A serial port? Who knows? 😄
<inkoate>
It is a file? A socket? A serial port? Who knows? 😄L244[13:29:48] <MGR>
>Z0idberg:
<MGR>
>Z0idberg:L245[13:29:49] <MGR> One
possibility is that the deal only applies if you buy groups 4, but
they've changed it so it applies to groups of 2. It's still not
great phrasing, but it doesn't make them look like total morons if
it's written from a template
<MGR> One
possibility is that the deal only applies if you buy groups 4, but
they've changed it so it applies to groups of 2. It's still not
great phrasing, but it doesn't make them look like total morons if
it's written from a templateL246[13:31:38] <Amanda> @inkoate aiui it's
a virtual serial port, the kind not meant to be emulating real
hardware, but meant tof communication to a supervisor for eg,
agents sending stats
L247[13:32:17] <Amanda> So you can just
open it and send to/from it and it'll behave like a magic
file
L248[13:33:41] <Amanda> s/tof/for/
L249[13:33:41] <MichiBot> <Amanda>
@inkoate aiui it's a virtual serial port, the kind not meant to be
emulating real hardware, but meant for communication to a
supervisor for eg, agents sending stats
L250[13:34:00] <Amanda> So you don't need
to care about stuff like baud rate
L251[13:36:11] <Z0idberg>
>inkoate: I'm still not sure what the hell kind of thing
`/dev/mvc0` IS in OC2.
<Z0idberg>
>inkoate: I'm still not sure what the hell kind of thing
`/dev/mvc0` IS in OC2.L252[13:36:11] <Z0idberg>
try running `file` on it.
<Z0idberg>
try running `file` on it.L253[13:36:17] <Z0idberg>
it should tell you
<Z0idberg>
it should tell youL254[13:36:17] <dequbed> @inkoate if you
cat /proc/devices the kernel will tell you if it's a block or a
character device. Much more differentiation isn't done at the
system level beyond which kernel module to load
L255[13:36:46] <dequbed> Or just run file
that's potentially even easier
L256[13:36:58] <Z0idberg>
This is why I like BSD's dev nodes better because they are based on
the name of the driver not what device it is 😛
<Z0idberg>
This is why I like BSD's dev nodes better because they are based on
the name of the driver not what device it is 😛L257[13:37:33] <dequbed> OTOH that means
that if you have several devices you break your userspace code by
switching which one you use ;)
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L259[13:38:27] <Z0idberg>
I love how when I type in /dev/mvc linux device driver in google I
get 5 billion results in model view controller
<Z0idberg>
I love how when I type in /dev/mvc linux device driver in google I
get 5 billion results in model view controllerL260[13:39:32] <dequbed> @inkoate here,
that's the file I was looking for: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/admin-guide/devices.txt
The number in /proc/devices tells you the classification Linux uses
in more detail
L261[13:39:55] <Z0idberg>
I don't even seen mvc in there
<Z0idberg>
I don't even seen mvc in thereL262[13:40:25] <Forecaster> %tonk
<Forecaster> %tonkL263[13:40:25] <MichiBot> Kapow!
Forecaster! You beat Vaur's previous record of <0 (By 8 hours,
27 minutes and 25 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L264[13:40:26] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new
record is 8 hours, 27 minutes and 25 seconds! Forecaster also
gained 0.00846 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need
0.07570864 more points to pass Vaur!
L265[13:40:31] <dequbed> It's done using
virtio I wouldn't expect it to
L266[13:40:39] <dequbed> But it should
still have a sub-classificatoin
L267[13:40:54] <Z0idberg>
That is my new favorite word
<Z0idberg>
That is my new favorite wordL268[13:40:58] <Z0idberg>
classificatoin
<Z0idberg>
classificatoinL269[13:43:27] <Z0idberg>
also sometimes you can use fuser on the /dev/mvc0 file to see if
anything in userspace is using it
<Z0idberg>
also sometimes you can use fuser on the /dev/mvc0 file to see if
anything in userspace is using itL270[13:43:42] <Z0idberg>
it shoudl list any PIDs that are actively using that device
file
<Z0idberg>
it shoudl list any PIDs that are actively using that device
fileL271[13:44:08] <dequbed> @Z0idberg the
word "classification" or my missspelling of it? :P
L272[13:44:17] <Z0idberg>
Your misspelling of it
<Z0idberg>
Your misspelling of itL273[13:44:26] <Z0idberg>
It looks sexy for some reason.
<Z0idberg>
It looks sexy for some reason.L274[13:44:27] <dequbed> … why though?
:D
L275[13:44:33] <dequbed> Ooookay ^^'
L276[13:44:36] <Z0idberg>
LOL
<Z0idberg>
LOLL277[13:44:39] *
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L278[13:44:54] <Z0idberg>
ha
<Z0idberg>
haL279[13:45:16] *
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L280[13:45:27] <Z0idberg>
My crowd control stat is like over 9000
<Z0idberg>
My crowd control stat is like over 9000L281[13:46:43] <Z0idberg>
I wonder if I should start working two hours early
<Z0idberg>
I wonder if I should start working two hours earlyL282[13:47:01] <Z0idberg>
Actually, an hour early may be better
<Z0idberg>
Actually, an hour early may be betterL283[13:48:17] <Z0idberg>
We have daily meetings at the end of the day but I always have 1-2
hours afterwards of work. If I started working like 1-1.5 hours
early then I could just start work and do my thing and be done when
the meeting ends about.
<Z0idberg>
We have daily meetings at the end of the day but I always have 1-2
hours afterwards of work. If I started working like 1-1.5 hours
early then I could just start work and do my thing and be done when
the meeting ends about.L284[13:48:48] <Forecaster> I'd be worried if you had
daily meetings at the end of the week
<Forecaster> I'd be worried if you had
daily meetings at the end of the weekL285[13:49:06] <Z0idberg>
heh
<Z0idberg>
hehL286[13:49:22] <Z0idberg>
I just find that after the meeting is over I'm pretty much done in
terms of focus
<Z0idberg>
I just find that after the meeting is over I'm pretty much done in
terms of focusL287[13:49:52] <Z0idberg>
I am allowed to create my own schedule which is nice so why
not
<Z0idberg>
I am allowed to create my own schedule which is nice so why
notL288[13:52:00] <Forecaster> as long as you're also
allowed to follow that schedule that's great
<Forecaster> as long as you're also
allowed to follow that schedule that's greatL289[13:52:56] <Z0idberg>
being constrained to work into the evening because of time
difference kind of sucks
<Z0idberg>
being constrained to work into the evening because of time
difference kind of sucksL290[13:53:21] <Z0idberg>
One of the concerns with working long distance remote
<Z0idberg>
One of the concerns with working long distance remoteL291[14:10:49] <inkoate>
@dequbed: Where in game is your home?
<inkoate>
@dequbed: Where in game is your home?L292[14:14:26] <dequbed> @inkoate Uh
server is having network issues I'd be surprised if you can join at
all. But North-North-East of Spawn, just behind a glacial mountain
in a spruce forrest valley
L293[14:14:41] <Amanda> Don't do what I
did and try and scale over the mountian
L294[14:14:47] <Amanda> It didn't
work
L295[14:15:00] <inkoate>
I'm in the server at the moment.
<inkoate>
I'm in the server at the moment.L296[14:15:02] <inkoate>
Seems fine.
<inkoate>
Seems fine.L297[14:15:04] <dequbed> ... wat
L298[14:15:30] <inkoate>
Yep
<inkoate>
YepL299[14:15:31] <dequbed> Oh is it only
legacy IP that's borken? .-.
L300[14:17:39] <inkoate>
Could be? I have IPv6 at home.
<inkoate>
Could be? I have IPv6 at home.L301[14:20:41] <dequbed> @inkoate why
anyway, do you need stuff or just wanna visit?
L302[14:32:00] <inkoate>
Oh, I was just thinking about relocating from my starter base and
wanted to move in your general direction for network cable
purposes.
<inkoate>
Oh, I was just thinking about relocating from my starter base and
wanted to move in your general direction for network cable
purposes.L303[14:32:28] <Amanda> dequbed: uh.
unless it's not something that appears immedidtaely, it seems ipv4
works fine too?
L304[14:33:21] <dequbed> Network is a fuck
I guess. Have a multiocular o while you wait. ꙮ
L305[14:47:38] <dequbed> @inkoate ah okay
yeah no worries cables are cheap, set up whereever you want
L306[14:47:55] <dequbed> Amanda: Could you
do me a favour and try connecting? It may be fucked routing
L307[14:48:11] <Amanda> dequbed: I'm
currently on the server
L308[14:48:16] <dequbed> .-.
L309[14:48:18] <Amanda> or do you mean
reconnecting
L310[14:48:24] <dequbed> nah
L311[14:48:34] <dequbed> if you aren't
being kicked off for ping timeout then it's routing
L312[14:48:41] *
dequbed goes yell at BGP a bit
L313[14:48:52] <dequbed> Not that it'll
help. But it'll make me *feel* better :P
L314[14:49:56] <Amanda> Are we holding on
to 1.25 stacks of raw iron for any particular reason? Inoticed what
I assume is meant to be semi-automation of the occultism crusher
spirit so I wasn't sure
L315[14:50:09] <dequbed> Nope, no reason
other than I'm lazy
L316[14:50:44] <dequbed> We should set up
a Crusher Wheel setup at some point and I wanted to get a Villager
breeder up for Silk Touch books on the cheap so we finally get true
ore doubling.
L317[14:51:25] <Amanda> Create also adds a
lot of blocks that can be crushed for chunks of iron/gold/etc or
nuggets, fwiw
L318[14:53:19] <Amanda> and they spawn in
stupid-huge veins
L319[14:53:29] <Amanda> unless that was a
change that E8 did
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L321[15:10:31] <Amanda> interesting. Never
considered using a windmill bearing like this
L322[15:13:15] <Bob> you
guys have an OC2 server 🤔
<Bob> you
guys have an OC2 server 🤔L323[15:17:37]
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L324[15:20:11] <dequbed> Yes, in both
senses of the word :P
L325[15:21:41] <Z0idberg>
Holy shit the levenshtein distance algorithm is slow as shit.
<Z0idberg>
Holy shit the levenshtein distance algorithm is slow as shit.L326[15:29:16] <Bob> yeah,
you need to set limits within
<Bob> yeah,
you need to set limits withinL327[15:40:18] <Amanda> dequbed: also:
This may be relevent to your interests: https://fly.io/blog/our-user-mode-wireguard-year/
L328[15:40:20] <inkoate>
@dequbed : Ok, now I was disconnected. 🙂
<inkoate>
@dequbed : Ok, now I was disconnected. 🙂L329[16:13:02] <dequbed> @inkoate there's
some flapping going on with our transit provider, sadly nothing we
can fix :/
L330[16:13:53] <dequbed> Amanda: Okay
either fly.io went down between you looking at it and now or this
network problem of ours is a bit bigger than assumed.
L331[16:14:36] <Amanda> loads fine here
still
L332[16:15:06] <Amanda> Though I just
pinged out on the server, it seems
L333[16:16:02] <dequbed> Apparently it's
just me. Yay for stable internet I guess
L334[16:21:35] <Amanda> Apparently sangar
added a /dev/fb0 in recent commits.
L335[16:24:41] <Ocawesome101> yep, with the
projector
<Ocawesome101> yep, with the
projectorL336[16:28:43] <Amanda> dequbed: we need
this in the plabs server, I want to make shitty fb0 guis!
L337[16:30:20] <Amanda> also either the
networking got worse, or the server isn't running anymore, as it's
just pinging out on the mc server screen since the pingout
earlier
L338[16:41:07] <dequbed> Amanda: yeah we
need to port our patchset, don't have the time right now
though
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L341[17:19:25] <NotAmanda> Wheee, power's
out!
L342[17:21:11] <NotAmanda> %oclogs
L343[17:21:11] <MichiBot> https://irclogs.pc-logix.com/?dir=logs/%23oc
L344[17:22:18] <inkoate>
@NotAmanda: Bad weather or something else?
<inkoate>
@NotAmanda: Bad weather or something else?L345[17:22:37] <NotAmanda> guessing as
such, it's been pretty windy today
L346[17:23:16] <NotAmanda> "An
equipment problem has interrupted service" according to the
outage thingy on the app
L347[17:23:59] <NotAmanda> Estimated to be
restored in ~1.5h
L348[17:35:11] <inkoate>
Sigh... ok, why is rust producing a riscv binary that sedna thinks
has an illegal instruction in it?
<inkoate>
Sigh... ok, why is rust producing a riscv binary that sedna thinks
has an illegal instruction in it?L349[17:39:14] <Ocawesome101> wrong risc-v
extensions?
<Ocawesome101> wrong risc-v
extensions?L350[17:47:12] <sapphicfettucine> >inkoate: Sigh...
ok, why is rust producing a riscv binary that sedna thinks has an
illegal i…
<sapphicfettucine> >inkoate: Sigh...
ok, why is rust producing a riscv binary that sedna thinks has an
illegal i…L351[17:47:13] <sapphicfettucine> what toolchain / target
are you using?
<sapphicfettucine> what toolchain / target
are you using?L352[17:48:51]
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L353[17:57:19] <inkoate>
>sapphicfettucine: what toolchain / target are you using?
<inkoate>
>sapphicfettucine: what toolchain / target are you using?L354[17:57:19] <inkoate>
riscv64-unknown-linuc-musl
<inkoate>
riscv64-unknown-linuc-muslL355[17:58:42] <sapphicfettucine> do you have a riscv
linker and ar set too?
<sapphicfettucine> do you have a riscv
linker and ar set too?L356[17:59:08] ⇦
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L357[18:05:28] <sapphicfettucine> also on the earlier
convo about rust and dynamic linking, there are ways to use dynamic
libraries and rust - just honestly they're likely more trouble than
it's worth
<sapphicfettucine> also on the earlier
convo about rust and dynamic linking, there are ways to use dynamic
libraries and rust - just honestly they're likely more trouble than
it's worthL358[18:10:55] <Z0idberg>
You compared the instruction set document sedna comes with with the
problematic instruction, right?
<Z0idberg>
You compared the instruction set document sedna comes with with the
problematic instruction, right?L359[18:11:27] <Z0idberg>
dynamic linking itself is not nontrivial in terms of an idea by any
means, it's just terrifying as hell
<Z0idberg>
dynamic linking itself is not nontrivial in terms of an idea by any
means, it's just terrifying as hellL360[18:11:55] <Z0idberg>
It's like running a human being with external organs
<Z0idberg>
It's like running a human being with external organsL361[18:12:11] <Z0idberg>
Though that is nontrivial
<Z0idberg>
Though that is nontrivialL362[18:14:05] <sapphicfettucine> i mean dynamic linking
is fine because the lil' parts the organs plug into are stable if
you use the same C version
<sapphicfettucine> i mean dynamic linking
is fine because the lil' parts the organs plug into are stable if
you use the same C versionL363[18:14:05] ⇦
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L364[18:14:10] <sapphicfettucine> rust just chose
chaos
<sapphicfettucine> rust just chose
chaosL365[18:14:26] <Z0idberg>
It's still terrifying even in the land of C with sane
toolchains
<Z0idberg>
It's still terrifying even in the land of C with sane
toolchainsL366[18:14:45] <Z0idberg>
But
<Z0idberg>
ButL367[18:14:47] <sapphicfettucine> you say as if C had a
single sane toolchain
<sapphicfettucine> you say as if C had a
single sane toolchainL368[18:14:58] <Z0idberg>
🙂
<Z0idberg>
🙂L369[18:15:11] <Z0idberg>
I've been thinking about making a C compiler
<Z0idberg>
I've been thinking about making a C compilerL370[18:15:27] <Z0idberg>
But not for a general purpose
<Z0idberg>
But not for a general purposeL371[18:38:22] <inkoate>
>sapphicfettucine: do you have a riscv linker and ar set
too?
<inkoate>
>sapphicfettucine: do you have a riscv linker and ar set
too?L372[18:38:22] <inkoate>
Yep. Hello world compiles and runs. I'm using `cross` to do the
compiling and linking.
<inkoate>
Yep. Hello world compiles and runs. I'm using `cross` to do the
compiling and linking.L373[18:38:51] <inkoate>
The problematic instruction, as far as I can tell from a core dump,
is the riscv equivalent of NOP.
<inkoate>
The problematic instruction, as far as I can tell from a core dump,
is the riscv equivalent of NOP.L374[18:40:24] <sapphicfettucine> oh, cross?
<sapphicfettucine> oh, cross?L375[18:40:43] <sapphicfettucine> i didn:t think that
supported riscv/musl?
<sapphicfettucine> i didn:t think that
supported riscv/musl?L376[18:44:09] <inkoate>
It didn't have a default Dockerfile for it, but I made one.
<inkoate>
It didn't have a default Dockerfile for it, but I made one.L377[18:47:07] ⇦
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L379[19:00:10] <Bob> i got
it to work without cross with a buildroot toolchain, i should
probably upload a template
<Bob> i got
it to work without cross with a buildroot toolchain, i should
probably upload a templateL380[19:00:40] ⇦
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L381[19:00:50] <Z0idberg>
I like the idea of docker but damn I wish it was better and not a
flipping mess.
<Z0idberg>
I like the idea of docker but damn I wish it was better and not a
flipping mess.L382[19:00:56]
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L383[19:01:16] <Bob> i'm
still docker free, never interacted with it so far
<Bob> i'm
still docker free, never interacted with it so farL384[19:01:17] <Z0idberg>
It's annoying enough that I just find it easier to have a dedicated
build machine, or even set up a VM
<Z0idberg>
It's annoying enough that I just find it easier to have a dedicated
build machine, or even set up a VML385[19:01:25] <Z0idberg>
And that's sad
<Z0idberg>
And that's sadL386[19:05:21] <Bob> i
wonder now if everything really works, as inkoate seems to get
segfaults
<Bob> i
wonder now if everything really works, as inkoate seems to get
segfaultsL387[19:05:33] <Bob> is
there some neat set of tests somewhere for various components form
std ?
<Bob> is
there some neat set of tests somewhere for various components form
std ?L388[19:05:38] <Bob>
probably the stdlib has some
<Bob>
probably the stdlib has someL389[19:07:12] <sapphicfettucine> i've gotten at least
basic io and mmap to work
<sapphicfettucine> i've gotten at least
basic io and mmap to workL390[19:07:29] <Amanda> %oclogs
L391[19:07:29] <MichiBot> https://irclogs.pc-logix.com/?dir=logs/%23oc
L392[19:07:46] <dequbed> @sapphicfettucine
No see that's the problem, that's just not how dynamic linking (at
runtime!) works in this case. Dynamic linking is fucky in C but
it's reasonable. In C++ it's a major headache thanks to C++
templates and code generation around those is already fucked, but
at least C++ templates are pretty restricted. But it's a positive
nightmare in a language that has generics as deeply embedded as
Rust has. It's possible, several languages have
L393[19:07:46] <dequbed> done it already,
C++, D, Swift, Haskell can all do it but each and every one of
those makes *hard* tradeoffs or just gives up a ships a compiler at
runtime.
L394[19:07:55] <Bob> well
i just literally have no time and have a 1 line per day ratio
<Bob> well
i just literally have no time and have a 1 line per day ratioL395[19:09:10] <Amanda> dequbed: I don't
know how, but I blame you for my server not connecting to the LAN
on boot
L396[19:09:23] <sapphicfettucine> >dequbed:
<@722196443514798181> No see that's the problem, that's just
not how dynamic linkin…
<sapphicfettucine> >dequbed:
<@722196443514798181> No see that's the problem, that's just
not how dynamic linkin…L397[19:09:24] <sapphicfettucine> oh, absolutely
<sapphicfettucine> oh, absolutelyL398[19:09:24] <Amanda> Clearly your
servers infected mine with the networking bug
L399[19:09:32] <dequbed> And dynamic
linking gives you more problems than *just* monomorphization, but
all the other ones you can solve by "just" using the same
toolchain version.
L400[19:10:23] <sapphicfettucine> the ways you can do
dynamic loading in rust are hacks not good use
<sapphicfettucine> the ways you can do
dynamic loading in rust are hacks not good useL401[19:10:25] <Amanda> Not sure what
changed in nixos between 2022-01-29 and 2022-02-03 but I couldn't
boot my server on anything newer because the network would not
connect, just sit there spinning
L402[19:10:33] <sapphicfettucine> technically possible,
not a good idea
<sapphicfettucine> technically possible,
not a good ideaL403[19:10:59] <dequbed> @sapphicfettucine
no, you can't do dynamic linking in that sense in Rust because the
*rustc does not provide you the informations you would need for
that*.
L404[19:11:12] <sapphicfettucine> oh, yeah, i'm being
more general, sorry
<sapphicfettucine> oh, yeah, i'm being
more general, sorryL405[19:11:21] <sapphicfettucine> in the sense of dynamic
loading in general
<sapphicfettucine> in the sense of dynamic
loading in generalL406[19:11:22] <dequbed> You can load code
at runtime using dlopen, yes. But that's not dynamic linking.
L407[19:11:26] <sapphicfettucine> yea
<sapphicfettucine> yeaL408[19:11:48] <dequbed> That's not even
dynamic loading to be exact but that's being a pedantic ass now
:P
L409[19:11:55] <sapphicfettucine> it is :p
<sapphicfettucine> it is :pL410[19:12:16] <Bob> time
to use Lua again
<Bob> time
to use Lua againL411[19:13:57] <sapphicfettucine> >dequbed: That's not
even dynamic loading to be exact but that's being a pedantic ass
now :P
<sapphicfettucine> >dequbed: That's not
even dynamic loading to be exact but that's being a pedantic ass
now :PL412[19:13:57] <sapphicfettucine> the dl in dlopen stands
for "don't lplease
<sapphicfettucine> the dl in dlopen stands
for "don't lpleaseL413[19:14:00] <sapphicfettucine> ")
<sapphicfettucine> ")L414[19:14:17] <Z0idberg>
At least it doesn'
<Z0idberg>
At least it doesn'L415[19:14:24] <Z0idberg>
At least it doesn't stand for "soni please"
<Z0idberg>
At least it doesn't stand for "soni please"L416[19:14:55] <Z0idberg>
How long do you think until Soni finds OC2's github?
<Z0idberg>
How long do you think until Soni finds OC2's github?L417[19:15:41] <dequbed> @sapphicfettucine
dlopen is fine and safe. There's really no problem with it by
itself. But dynamic loading (in the sense of "making an
executable process image") is much more than just
dlopen().
L418[19:17:18] <dequbed> And dynamic
loading is *hard*. It's a problem that everybody just wants to
ignore really hard because nobody wants to touch that code.
L419[19:17:30] <sapphicfettucine> yeah!
<sapphicfettucine> yeah!L420[19:17:37] <sapphicfettucine> also ABI stability is
hard to get to
<sapphicfettucine> also ABI stability is
hard to get toL421[19:17:47] <sapphicfettucine> specially with a
language that goes as brr as rust
<sapphicfettucine> specially with a
language that goes as brr as rustL422[19:17:53] <dequbed> And not
necessary
L423[19:18:20] <sapphicfettucine> yea, there's just
Better Ways to do what you could with dlopen / the broader world of
dynloading in rust
<sapphicfettucine> yea, there's just
Better Ways to do what you could with dlopen / the broader world of
dynloading in rustL424[19:18:53] <sapphicfettucine> >dequbed: And not
necessary
<sapphicfettucine> >dequbed: And not
necessaryL425[19:18:54] <sapphicfettucine> i think ferrous systems
the company is working on a fully specified rust
<sapphicfettucine> i think ferrous systems
the company is working on a fully specified rustL426[19:19:49] <Z0idberg>
Mmmm gimme some a dose mutable raw pointers to functions in
Rust
<Z0idberg>
Mmmm gimme some a dose mutable raw pointers to functions in
RustL427[19:20:00] <dequbed> And I somehow
doubt they're specifying a full ABI for that because it really
doesn't get you much.
L428[19:20:08] <dequbed> full *stable*
ABI, sorry.
L429[19:20:19] <dequbed> I mean Haskell
doesn't have that. And C++ doesn't either :P
L430[19:21:01] <inkoate>
@decubed: Your network still broken?
<inkoate>
@decubed: Your network still broken?L431[19:21:29] <dequbed> Intermittent. 83%
packet loss
L432[19:21:30] <Z0idberg>
Of course it is, they are using telepathy to connect to the
Internet
<Z0idberg>
Of course it is, they are using telepathy to connect to the
InternetL433[19:21:58] <dequbed> @Z0idberg would
you believe me if I told you that my servers are *not* located with
me in my flat? :P
L434[19:22:12] <Z0idberg>
Sure
<Z0idberg>
SureL435[19:22:34] <Z0idberg>
Better have some of those RFC 2889 stats to give to your trunk so
they can fix your shit then.
<Z0idberg>
Better have some of those RFC 2889 stats to give to your trunk so
they can fix your shit then.L436[19:22:36] <sapphicfettucine> i think at least some
parts of it are stable? the security standards they're targeting
require object code verification, so
<sapphicfettucine> i think at least some
parts of it are stable? the security standards they're targeting
require object code verification, soL437[19:22:37] <inkoate>
83%? That's wierd. Is your uplink Wifi in a storm?
<inkoate>
83%? That's wierd. Is your uplink Wifi in a storm?L438[19:23:33] <dequbed> @sapphicfettucine
reproducable builds != stable ABI.
L439[19:23:40] <Z0idberg>
I actually don't have as many servers as I used to, just an R610 in
here
<Z0idberg>
I actually don't have as many servers as I used to, just an R610 in
hereL440[19:24:08] <sapphicfettucine> i know lmao
<sapphicfettucine> i know lmaoL441[19:24:21] <Z0idberg>
Even with my 50/50 mbit bridged fiber I haven't bothered to set
much up yet
<Z0idberg>
Even with my 50/50 mbit bridged fiber I haven't bothered to set
much up yetL442[19:24:22] <sapphicfettucine> i'm just talking about
what they're doing in general
<sapphicfettucine> i'm just talking about
what they're doing in generalL443[19:24:24] <dequbed> @inkoate lol
WiFi. And no, I can read the output of mtr thank you :P nessus had
a flapping link
L444[19:24:49] <sapphicfettucine> it's quite an
interesting project in general, actually
<sapphicfettucine> it's quite an
interesting project in general, actuallyL445[19:25:01] <dequbed> @sapphicfettucine
then why did you write that as an *answer* to my abi's aren't
necessary message? <.<
L446[19:25:11] <sapphicfettucine> they seem to be
planning to specify an IR, and then get a verified compiler for
that IR
<sapphicfettucine> they seem to be
planning to specify an IR, and then get a verified compiler for
that IRL447[19:25:35] <sapphicfettucine> >dequbed:
<@722196443514798181> then why did you write that as an
*answer* to my abi's aren't…
<sapphicfettucine> >dequbed:
<@722196443514798181> then why did you write that as an
*answer* to my abi's aren't…L448[19:25:35] <sapphicfettucine> because i slept for 4
hours and my brain is just a haze of "general binary stability
huh"
<sapphicfettucine> because i slept for 4
hours and my brain is just a haze of "general binary stability
huh"L449[19:25:49] <lunar_sam>
compilers spook me because i haven't touched them yet
<lunar_sam>
compilers spook me because i haven't touched them yetL450[19:25:51] <dequbed> Then you should
go to bed, not discuss Rust internals :P
L451[19:26:03] <lunar_sam>
like
<lunar_sam>
likeL452[19:26:08] <lunar_sam>
i haven't tried making one
<lunar_sam>
i haven't tried making oneL453[19:26:09] <sapphicfettucine> rust internals are so
much more fun when you're sleep deprived though!
<sapphicfettucine> rust internals are so
much more fun when you're sleep deprived though!L454[19:26:18] <dequbed> No they're
not
L455[19:26:46] <dequbed> At least not for
everybody else who has to clean up the code your hazy brain
consideres sensible :P
L456[19:26:48] <lunar_sam>
well i haven't tried making one yet
<lunar_sam>
well i haven't tried making one yetL457[19:26:48] <sapphicfettucine> what are you doing if
you're not thinking about the stabilization of packed_simd in the
early hours of the morning
<sapphicfettucine> what are you doing if
you're not thinking about the stabilization of packed_simd in the
early hours of the morningL458[19:27:08] <lunar_sam>
also wait, does soni even exist anymore?
<lunar_sam>
also wait, does soni even exist anymore?L459[19:27:08] <sapphicfettucine> >lunar_sam:
compilers spook me because i haven't touched them yet
<sapphicfettucine> >lunar_sam:
compilers spook me because i haven't touched them yetL461[19:27:09] <dequbed> Easy: Writing
SIMD code without packed_simd
L462[19:27:13] <lunar_sam>
lmfao
<lunar_sam>
lmfaoL463[19:27:38] <sapphicfettucine> >dequbed: Easy:
Writing SIMD code without packed_simd
<sapphicfettucine> >dequbed: Easy:
Writing SIMD code without packed_simdL464[19:27:38] <sapphicfettucine> i think you mean
mm256writing
<sapphicfettucine> i think you mean
mm256writingL465[19:27:38] <lunar_sam>
i am beat known as "sam the archive man"
<lunar_sam>
i am beat known as "sam the archive man"L466[19:27:48] <lunar_sam>
*best
<lunar_sam>
*bestL467[19:27:55] <lunar_sam>
because that's all i do
<lunar_sam>
because that's all i doL468[19:28:16] <lunar_sam>
i also sometimes touch networking and make people cry
<lunar_sam>
i also sometimes touch networking and make people cryL469[19:28:23] <dequbed>
@sapphicfettucine I think you don't understand that I can write
SIMD for x86, ARM and POWER ;)
L470[19:28:41] <sapphicfettucine> this is starting to
sound like the navy seal copypasta
<sapphicfettucine> this is starting to
sound like the navy seal copypastaL471[19:28:57] <Z0idberg>
fucking Hulu TV. Hulu TV is using GeoIP to serve region locked TV
programs instead of the billing address on their bill or some shit.
Hulu has even gone to the extreme where if your IP changes from one
state to another due to an ISP sharing address pools to reduce IPv4
depletion, then they will literally stop serving you and continuing
to charge you until you cancel your service.
<Z0idberg>
fucking Hulu TV. Hulu TV is using GeoIP to serve region locked TV
programs instead of the billing address on their bill or some shit.
Hulu has even gone to the extreme where if your IP changes from one
state to another due to an ISP sharing address pools to reduce IPv4
depletion, then they will literally stop serving you and continuing
to charge you until you cancel your service.L472[19:28:58] <dequbed> Need to con
Snagar into making Sedna implement the RISC-V SIMD instructions so
I have a reason to work with those too :P
L473[19:29:03] <lunar_sam>
oh, SIMD by hand is fun
<lunar_sam>
oh, SIMD by hand is funL474[19:29:04] <sapphicfettucine> yess
<sapphicfettucine> yessL475[19:29:06] <lunar_sam>
i say
<lunar_sam>
i sayL476[19:29:09] <sapphicfettucine> oh i love simd by
hand
<sapphicfettucine> oh i love simd by
handL477[19:29:12] <lunar_sam>
only doing it a few tines
<lunar_sam>
only doing it a few tinesL478[19:29:16] <lunar_sam>
*times
<lunar_sam>
*timesL479[19:29:18] <lunar_sam>
and poorly
<lunar_sam>
and poorlyL480[19:29:32] <sapphicfettucine> i should complete my
"try to slot every advent of code problem from last year into
simd" thing someday
<sapphicfettucine> i should complete my
"try to slot every advent of code problem from last year into
simd" thing somedayL481[19:29:33] <lunar_sam>
with mmxintrins or whatever the header was
<lunar_sam>
with mmxintrins or whatever the header wasL482[19:30:08] <lunar_sam>
been forever since i touched it because
<lunar_sam>
been forever since i touched it becauseL483[19:30:12] <lunar_sam>
i am not good at it
<lunar_sam>
i am not good at itL484[19:30:15] <lunar_sam>
:p
<lunar_sam>
:pL485[19:30:18] <sapphicfettucine> no one is
<sapphicfettucine> no one isL486[19:31:19] <dequbed> At SIMD?
L487[19:31:21] <sapphicfettucine> (x86 specifically)
intel designs the computing equivalent of cursed tomes
<sapphicfettucine> (x86 specifically)
intel designs the computing equivalent of cursed tomesL488[19:31:32] <dequbed> I know a few
people that are
L489[19:31:36] <lunar_sam>
oh wait, speaking of intel and cursed
<lunar_sam>
oh wait, speaking of intel and cursedL490[19:31:50] <lunar_sam>
something something 3 cycle left shift
<lunar_sam>
something something 3 cycle left shiftL491[19:33:23] <lunar_sam> anyways
L492[19:33:29] <lunar_sam> i like
archives
L493[19:33:31] <lunar_sam> or just
L494[19:33:37] <lunar_sam> data structures
in general
L495[19:33:42] <lunar_sam> they make me
feel smart
L496[19:33:44] <lunar_sam> :p
L497[19:33:52] <lunar_sam> that was
supposed to be :)
L498[19:33:54] <lunar_sam> whatever
L499[19:33:55] <dequbed> Did you do
*another* archive format?
L500[19:34:11] <sapphicfettucine> i love all archive
formats
<sapphicfettucine> i love all archive
formatsL501[19:34:13] <sapphicfettucine> except WARC
<sapphicfettucine> except WARCL502[19:34:24] <lunar_sam> yes! i am
working on another!
L503[19:34:32] <sapphicfettucine> o?
<sapphicfettucine> o?L504[19:34:36] <lunar_sam> one made for
random access
L505[19:34:38] <lunar_sam> also
L506[19:34:43] <sapphicfettucine> o?
<sapphicfettucine> o?L507[19:34:46] <lunar_sam> ZIP and TAR
hurt me
L508[19:34:54] <sapphicfettucine> fair!]
<sapphicfettucine> fair!]L509[19:35:02] <lunar_sam> 7z and rar
don't need to be mentioned as being awful
L510[19:35:04] <sapphicfettucine> cpio?
<sapphicfettucine> cpio?L511[19:35:13] <dequbed> *sigh* oh no.
Kay, I'ma head out
L512[19:35:18] <lunar_sam> yes, i am sam
the cpio man
L513[19:35:22] <lunar_sam> except
L514[19:35:26] <sapphicfettucine> [evil laughter]
<sapphicfettucine> [evil laughter]L515[19:35:26] <lunar_sam> believe it or
not
L516[19:35:33] <lunar_sam> i decided
L517[19:35:57] <lunar_sam> "huh,
maybe i shouldn't have a 250+gb tape archive on my hard drive which
is dogshit slow to access"
L518[19:36:30] <lunar_sam> sam needs one
file in like
L519[19:36:38] <lunar_sam> the middle of
the archive
L520[19:38:00] <Bob> i
think instead of using `serde` this time i will use `nom`
<Bob> i
think instead of using `serde` this time i will use `nom`L521[19:38:53] <lunar_sam> https://github.com/lunaboards-dev/lcpio
L522[19:38:59] <lunar_sam> is
great(tm)
L523[19:39:21] <lunar_sam> also https://github.com/lunaboards-dev/cpio64 (my first
attempt)
L524[19:39:39] <lunar_sam>
@sapphicfettucine
<lunar_sam>
@sapphicfettucineL525[19:42:34] <Amanda> dequbed: do you
happen to remember if the buildroot image for OC2 was poked to not
generate g++ anymore, or did I do more cursed stuff than I thought
to get ocvm to compile for it?
L526[19:42:57] <Amanda> like, as a host
toolchain
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L530[20:26:00] <Michiyo>
Hmm
<Michiyo>
HmmL531[20:26:01] <Michiyo>
Test
<Michiyo>
TestL532[20:26:08] <Michiyo> Test2
L533[20:26:12] <Michiyo> Oh!
L534[20:26:14] <Michiyo> I'm an
idiot
L535[20:26:16] <Michiyo> yep
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L537[20:43:26] <Forecaster> Aren't we all
<Forecaster> Aren't we allL538[21:42:34] ⇦
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L539[21:43:58] <dequbed> Amanda: Don't
know but you should be able to get yourself a cross-compilation g++
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L541[22:10:27] <sapphicfettucine> i can say crosstool-ng
builds a perfectly fine cross g++
<sapphicfettucine> i can say crosstool-ng
builds a perfectly fine cross g++L542[22:29:34] <CompanionCube> Izaya:
'Asked about its treatment of workers, a Labour spokesperson said
the party was now "under new management"' lol
L543[22:41:03] <Forecaster> Woo, back in the swing of
things, finished a hydrogen engine control script
<Forecaster> Woo, back in the swing of
things, finished a hydrogen engine control scriptL544[22:41:20] <Forecaster> Tomorrow I can recreate the
drone HUD script
<Forecaster> Tomorrow I can recreate the
drone HUD scriptL545[22:42:05] ⇦
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L547[22:46:41] <Izaya> > intel dont set
a default vcore for this new family and MB manufactures are
"overvolting" all processor to make sure they can run
without problem.
L548[22:47:07] <Michiyo> o_O
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L550[22:47:50] <lunar_sam> wtf
L551[22:58:35] <Izaya> as I was saying
before I was so RUDELY INTERRUPTED, 100° on the CPU and there's not
even a recommended voltage; best I can do is guess 1.2V (rather
than the stock 1.35?!) and hope it's stable
L552[22:58:58] <lunar_sam> prescott
L553[22:59:31] <lunar_sam> "it's made
of heat!"
L554[23:11:01] <Vaur>
%tonkout
<Vaur>
%tonkoutL555[23:11:02] <MichiBot> Yikes! Vaur!
You beat Forecaster's previous record of 8 hours, 27 minutes and
25 seconds (By 1 hour, 3 minutes and 10 seconds)! I hope you're
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<Michiyo>
Needs more RGBL564[23:35:57] <Ocawesome101> needs all the RGB
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L566[23:40:59] <lunar_sam> awoo
L567[23:50:51] <Izaya> my eyes x-x
L568[23:52:15] <Amanda> %choose continue
staring at crops or rain box
L569[23:52:15] <MichiBot> Amanda:
"continue staring at crops", now with 30% fewer deaths
caused by negligence!
L570[23:52:26] <Amanda> Hrm, still too
many deaths, better play it safe
L571[23:52:40] <Michiyo> the case has RGB,
as well as a pair of RGB fans in the front that you can't see
L572[23:53:18] <Izaya> new motherboard
doesn't have enough fan headers >.>