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<Ocawesome101> hm
<Ocawesome101> hmL9[01:53:09] <Ocawesome101> so apparently my download
times from some websites are shit and downloads from other websites
are fine
<Ocawesome101> so apparently my download
times from some websites are shit and downloads from other websites
are fineL10[01:53:11] <Ocawesome101> excellent even
<Ocawesome101> excellent evenL11[02:02:15] <lunar_sam>
>Ocawesome101: so apparently my download times from *som…
<lunar_sam>
>Ocawesome101: so apparently my download times from *som…L12[02:02:15] <lunar_sam>
sounds like an ISP thing :)
<lunar_sam>
sounds like an ISP thing :)L13[02:02:23] <Ocawesome101> normally they're mostly
fine everywhere
<Ocawesome101> normally they're mostly
fine everywhereL14[02:08:24] <Izaya> Ocawesome101: mine
has really odd peering sometimes
L15[02:08:50] <Izaya> can't tell if
international politics or flaky australian internet
L16[02:16:56] <esotericist> why not both?
<esotericist> why not both?L17[02:17:37] <Amanda> %choose continue
stabbing or merge!
L18[02:17:42] <MichiBot> Amanda: Wait,
what was the question again? Uhh... "continue
stabbing"?
L19[02:17:51] <Amanda> tomorrow it
is.
L20[03:50:39] <Ocawesome101> alright let's see if quake
will download this time
<Ocawesome101> alright let's see if quake
will download this timeL21[03:51:14] <Ocawesome101> actually, smarter solution:
downloading it on my VPS so i can then download it to my
computer
<Ocawesome101> actually, smarter solution:
downloading it on my VPS so i can then download it to my
computerL22[03:51:23] <Ocawesome101> and it still only gets
~300KB/s
<Ocawesome101> and it still only gets
~300KB/sL23[03:51:25] <Ocawesome101> yikes
<Ocawesome101> yikesL24[03:51:42] <Ocawesome101> i suppose it's not like the
internet archive is huge or anything /s
<Ocawesome101> i suppose it's not like the
internet archive is huge or anything /sL25[04:02:51] <lunar_sam>
wait
<lunar_sam>
waitL26[04:02:55] <lunar_sam>
@Ocawesome101 did i show you what i made
<lunar_sam>
@Ocawesome101 did i show you what i madeL27[04:03:26] <Ocawesome101> the Nelua thing?
<Ocawesome101> the Nelua thing?L28[04:03:33] <Ocawesome101> i saw it but i'm not sure
what it is
<Ocawesome101> i saw it but i'm not sure
what it isL29[04:19:27] <lunar_sam>
yeah
<lunar_sam>
yeahL30[04:19:33] <lunar_sam>
it's just a ps2 homebrew "hello world"
<lunar_sam>
it's just a ps2 homebrew "hello world"L31[04:19:35] <lunar_sam>
but in nelua
<lunar_sam>
but in neluaL32[04:19:37] <Ocawesome101> ah neat
<Ocawesome101> ah neatL33[04:19:48] <Ocawesome101> does nelua support tables
yet?
<Ocawesome101> does nelua support tables
yet?L34[04:19:50] <lunar_sam>
the makefile is harder than the actual code
<lunar_sam>
the makefile is harder than the actual codeL35[04:19:53] <lunar_sam>
no, not yet
<lunar_sam>
no, not yetL36[04:22:47] ⇦
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L37[04:27:49] <Amanda> Easier&cheaper
to just have a bunch of hosts with hard network throttling than
deal with the Google's of the world and cdns
L38[04:28:54] *
Amanda turns off the moon, tucks in around elfi and
zzzmews
L39[04:28:56] <Amanda> Night nerds
L40[04:29:43] <Amanda> %remindme 8h switch
the network cables
L41[04:29:44] <MichiBot> I'll tell you
"switch the network cables" in 8h at 12/06/2021 12:29:44
PM
L42[05:03:43] <Forecaster> %tonk
<Forecaster> %tonkL43[05:03:44] <MichiBot> Bejabbers!
Forecaster! You beat Vaur's previous record of 1 hour, 53 minutes
and 12 seconds (By 6 hours, 47 minutes and 38 seconds)! I hope
you're happy!
L44[05:03:45] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new
record is 8 hours, 40 minutes and 51 seconds! Forecaster also
gained 0.01358 (0.00679 x 2) tonk points for stealing the tonk.
Position #2. Need 0.34259254 more points to pass Vaur!
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L46[07:44:59] <Ashirg>
%sip
<Ashirg>
%sipL47[07:45:02] <MichiBot> You drink a
viscous aether potion (New!). As Ashirg drinks the potion they
become the target of a wad of llama spit! They fail to evade it
with a 1 vs DC 12 and takes 1d4 => 3 damage.
L48[07:45:20] <Ashirg>
Ew
<Ashirg>
EwL49[07:56:50] <tShaw> In
the modem.send function, is the dest_address the hostname of the
destination computer or the UUID of the destination network
card?
<tShaw> In
the modem.send function, is the dest_address the hostname of the
destination computer or the UUID of the destination network
card?L50[07:58:33] <tShaw>
This is for the network card API
<tShaw>
This is for the network card APIL51[07:58:38] <tShaw> the
default one
<tShaw> the
default oneL52[08:00:07] <Izaya>
component.modem?
L53[08:01:45] <tShaw>
Yes
<tShaw>
YesL54[08:02:11] <tShaw>
Wait, no I mean the litteral destination address
<tShaw>
Wait, no I mean the litteral destination addressL55[08:02:17] <tShaw>
What do I put for that?
<tShaw>
What do I put for that?L57[08:03:47] <Izaya> for
component.modem.send() the destination should be the modem UUID
you're trying to talk to yeah
L59[08:03:50] <tShaw> I
have modem.send(destaddr, portnum), what is the address. I don't
know if it is the hostname of the destination computer or the UUID
of the destination network card.
<tShaw> I
have modem.send(destaddr, portnum), what is the address. I don't
know if it is the hostname of the destination computer or the UUID
of the destination network card.L60[08:04:05] <Michiyo>
"Address" in this case is the uuid
<Michiyo>
"Address" in this case is the uuidL61[08:04:16] <tShaw> We
should update that documentation on the wiki then
<tShaw> We
should update that documentation on the wiki thenL62[08:04:25] <tShaw> It
is very vague
<tShaw> It
is very vagueL63[08:04:26] <Michiyo>
There are no "hostnames" in the default network
stuff
<Michiyo>
There are no "hostnames" in the default network
stuffL64[08:04:46] <tShaw> I'm
confused because of Minitel, which uses hostnames.
<tShaw> I'm
confused because of Minitel, which uses hostnames.L65[08:04:52] <Izaya> apologies
>.>
L66[08:04:55] <Michiyo>
"address" is fairly clear I think. every component has an
address
<Michiyo>
"address" is fairly clear I think. every component has an
addressL67[08:05:01] <tShaw> So
that's why I don't have a clue what is going on.
<tShaw> So
that's why I don't have a clue what is going on.L68[08:05:24] <Izaya> maybe "specified
modem address" would be a useful addition
L69[08:05:44] <tShaw>
^
<tShaw>
^L70[08:05:52] <Corded> * <Michiyo>
shrug
L71[08:06:04] <Izaya> I think I have an
account ... maybe >.>
L72[08:06:09] <tShaw>
With is explicitly stating that the address is supposed to be a
UUID, for dumbasses like me.
<tShaw>
With is explicitly stating that the address is supposed to be a
UUID, for dumbasses like me.L73[08:06:25] <tShaw> I
have an account, I'll update it after I get my stuff working.
<tShaw> I
have an account, I'll update it after I get my stuff working.L74[08:11:01] ⇨
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L75[08:12:59] <tShaw> Ok
so here is a question for you guys
<tShaw> Ok
so here is a question for you guysL76[08:13:07] <tShaw> I
have this facility:
<tShaw> I
have this facility:L78[08:15:33] <tShaw>
Facility houses 36 above ground storage tanks, holding fuel. The
lines running in-between the fuel tanks are OC network cables.
There are `Relays` attached to each storage tank, and one
additional `relay` for the facility command and control network. Is
this too many relays on one OC network?
<tShaw>
Facility houses 36 above ground storage tanks, holding fuel. The
lines running in-between the fuel tanks are OC network cables.
There are `Relays` attached to each storage tank, and one
additional `relay` for the facility command and control network. Is
this too many relays on one OC network?L79[08:15:59] <Izaya> if there are no loops
you can have as many as you'd like
L80[08:16:24] <tShaw>
Well yes, up to 5 as the in-game documentation states
<tShaw>
Well yes, up to 5 as the in-game documentation statesL81[08:16:33] <tShaw> it
will only recurse to 5
<tShaw> it
will only recurse to 5L82[08:16:50] <Izaya> but there's not much
point to putting relays between stuff that is connected to relays
anyway
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L84[08:16:56] <tShaw> but
thats fine, the topology does not recuse
<tShaw> but
thats fine, the topology does not recuseL85[08:18:04] <tShaw>
However, ALL 37 relays get the same network message
<tShaw>
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L88[08:18:15] <tShaw> But
I am not sending a broadcast
<tShaw> But
I am not sending a broadcastL89[08:19:19] <Izaya> yup
L90[08:19:55] <tShaw>
That's normal?
<tShaw>
That's normal?L91[08:20:09] <Izaya> yeah relays don't see
any difference between the two types
L92[08:22:34] <tShaw> So
many mf messages are going to get dropped
<tShaw> So
many mf messages are going to get droppedL93[08:22:37] <tShaw> I
think
<tShaw> I
thinkL94[08:22:49] <tShaw>
Well actually probably not
<tShaw>
Well actually probably notL95[08:22:58] <Izaya> only if you're
absolutely flooding the relays
L96[08:23:20] <Izaya> and if you are, T1.5
memory is a cheap upgrade that should reduce dropped packets
L97[08:24:54] <tShaw>
alright
<tShaw>
alrightL98[08:24:58] ⇨
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L104[08:56:46] <esotericist> still hammering at the
tis-3d stuff. nbt semantics changed in 1.18, and while i've found
information on that, it isn't yet translating into correctly
working code
<esotericist> still hammering at the
tis-3d stuff. nbt semantics changed in 1.18, and while i've found
information on that, it isn't yet translating into correctly
working codeL105[09:14:42] <esotericist> i think i have it!
<esotericist> i think i have it!L106[09:27:08] <esotericist> it now properly survives
save/load cycles. a winner is me.
<esotericist> it now properly survives
save/load cycles. a winner is me.L107[09:27:29] <esotericist> now i can seriously
contemplate making an inventory management extension for tis-3d.
because that's not a terrible idea at all.
<esotericist> now i can seriously
contemplate making an inventory management extension for tis-3d.
because that's not a terrible idea at all.L108[10:43:54] <Forecaster> Send works just like
broadcast, the only difference is that modems that don't match the
receiving address aren't allowed to raise a message event
<Forecaster> Send works just like
broadcast, the only difference is that modems that don't match the
receiving address aren't allowed to raise a message eventL109[10:58:22]
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L110[11:11:28] <Kristopher38> >Wattana: its
aliiiive
<Kristopher38> >Wattana: its
aliiiiveL111[11:11:29] <Kristopher38> That's pretty neat
<Kristopher38> That's pretty neatL112[11:24:43] ⇦
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L114[11:28:57] <Ashirg>
%sip
<Ashirg>
%sipL115[11:28:59] <MichiBot> You drink a
gloomy violet potion (New!). Ashirg is suddenly more aware of cute
things nearby until they stop thinking about it.
L116[11:29:08] <Ashirg>
%tonk
<Ashirg>
%tonkL117[11:29:09] <MichiBot> I'm sorry
Ashirg, you were not able to beat Forecaster's record of 8 hours,
40 minutes and 51 seconds this time. 6 hours, 25 minutes and 25
seconds were wasted! Missed by 2 hours, 15 minutes and 25
seconds!
L118[11:29:19] <Ashirg>
>MichiBot: You drink a gloomy violet potion (New!…
<Ashirg>
>MichiBot: You drink a gloomy violet potion (New!…L119[11:29:19] <Ashirg>
Impossible
<Ashirg>
ImpossibleL120[11:30:08] ⇦
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L121[11:33:31] <esotericist> lawl i now have starring
billing on the markdown manual github page :biggrin: https://tinyurl.com/y4q8u6sk
<esotericist> lawl i now have starring
billing on the markdown manual github page :biggrin: https://tinyurl.com/y4q8u6skL122[11:34:13] <esotericist> mostly i'm surprised that
i'm the first person to contribute to it. then again, it's pretty
small and has done its job well?
<esotericist> mostly i'm surprised that
i'm the first person to contribute to it. then again, it's pretty
small and has done its job well?L123[11:47:20] <Ashirg>
That is indeed very surprising
<Ashirg>
That is indeed very surprisingL124[12:29:44] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER:
switch the network cables
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L126[13:22:28] <Z0idberg>
Herro
<Z0idberg>
HerroL127[13:25:22] <Z0idberg>
@Wattana If you're lucky you may even make the editor a lot faster,
because tbh the OC editor is slow and is kinda basic.
<Z0idberg>
@Wattana If you're lucky you may even make the editor a lot faster,
because tbh the OC editor is slow and is kinda basic.L128[13:31:07] <Z0idberg>
I want to see OC on fabric pretty bad
<Z0idberg>
I want to see OC on fabric pretty badL129[13:31:31] <Z0idberg>
I don't even have an interest in forge anymore
<Z0idberg>
I don't even have an interest in forge anymoreL130[13:47:58]
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L132[13:52:41] <Amanda> %remindme 30m
check if https://grafana.camnet.site/d/rYdddlPWk/node-exporter-full?orgId=1&refresh=1m&from=now-1h&to=now&viewPanel=158
has lowered it's temp
L133[13:52:43] <MichiBot> I'll tell you
"check if https://grafana.camnet.site/d/rYdddlPWk/node-exporter-full?orgId=1&refresh=1m&from=now-1h&to=now&viewPanel=158
has lowered it's temp" in 30m at 12/06/2021 02:22:41 PM
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check if https://grafana.camnet.site/d/rYdddlPWk/node-exporter-full?orgId=1&refresh=1m&from=now-1h&to=now&viewPanel=158
has lowered it's temp
L136[14:23:18] <Amanda> sigh. guess I need
to take apart the homelab, give it a good blow-out
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L140[14:35:50] <Z0idberg>
Hmmm
<Z0idberg>
HmmmL141[14:36:11] <Wattana>
How you can add statements to your breakpoints with LDB! https://tinyurl.com/y3r4wmnb
<Wattana>
How you can add statements to your breakpoints with LDB! https://tinyurl.com/y3r4wmnbL142[14:36:21] <Z0idberg>
I thought maybe a red black tree for every event message to
introduce pubsub priority in trotwood, but I think itl be too
slow
<Z0idberg>
I thought maybe a red black tree for every event message to
introduce pubsub priority in trotwood, but I think itl be too
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L144[14:43:07] <Z0idberg>
The problem is I'm looking to change the scheduler a little bit to
remove the pubsub part
<Z0idberg>
The problem is I'm looking to change the scheduler a little bit to
remove the pubsub partL145[14:43:09] <Z0idberg>
and move it
<Z0idberg>
and move itL146[14:43:28] <Z0idberg>
To do that I need to also make sure the networking part of the
scheduler gets priority without being invasive
<Z0idberg>
To do that I need to also make sure the networking part of the
scheduler gets priority without being invasiveL147[14:43:40] <Z0idberg>
So I need to schedule the coroutines that handle that with higher
priority
<Z0idberg>
So I need to schedule the coroutines that handle that with higher
priorityL148[14:44:00] <Z0idberg>
If I choose the invasive route, it will just be built into the
kernel as part of its main routine, which is wasteful.
<Z0idberg>
If I choose the invasive route, it will just be built into the
kernel as part of its main routine, which is wasteful.L149[14:45:15] <Amanda> doh, I was looking
at the wrong graph
L150[14:45:24] <Amanda> oh well, miranda
really needed a good blowing
L151[14:46:01] <Z0idberg>
Amanda, how performant do you think a red black tree for a pub/sub
scheduler in Lua?
<Z0idberg>
Amanda, how performant do you think a red black tree for a pub/sub
scheduler in Lua?L152[14:46:13] <Z0idberg>
Oh wow that was pretty bad english lol
<Z0idberg>
Oh wow that was pretty bad english lolL153[14:46:16] <Amanda> @Z0idberg I know
some of those words
L154[14:46:35] <Amanda> my CS theory isn't
really up to scratch
L155[14:48:49] <Z0idberg>
Redblack tree is just a binary tree that self balances by height to
help keep performance consistent. O(logn) for all operations
(insert, delete, update, etc). Every time an event comes in to an
OC computer it would look up all processes that are subsribed to
that event, get its process "priority #" and insert it
into the red black tree. Every time the OS main loop comes around,
it would walk the tree from left to right.
<Z0idberg>
Redblack tree is just a binary tree that self balances by height to
help keep performance consistent. O(logn) for all operations
(insert, delete, update, etc). Every time an event comes in to an
OC computer it would look up all processes that are subsribed to
that event, get its process "priority #" and insert it
into the red black tree. Every time the OS main loop comes around,
it would walk the tree from left to right.L156[14:49:14] <Z0idberg>
The end result is that lower numbered processes would get events
more often
<Z0idberg>
The end result is that lower numbered processes would get events
more oftenL157[14:49:19] <Z0idberg>
if the events are there
<Z0idberg>
if the events are thereL158[14:49:35] <Z0idberg>
so say, you may make the networking scheduler a lower number so
that if you get a lot of networking events those get handled more
often
<Z0idberg>
so say, you may make the networking scheduler a lower number so
that if you get a lot of networking events those get handled more
oftenL159[14:49:41] <Z0idberg>
than say somebody mashing the keyboard.
<Z0idberg>
than say somebody mashing the keyboard.L160[14:50:06] <Z0idberg>
I am afraid that updating and re-ordering the tree would slow it
down a lot, if I did it for every single event pull?
<Z0idberg>
I am afraid that updating and re-ordering the tree would slow it
down a lot, if I did it for every single event pull?L161[14:51:08] <Amanda> I'd say you're not
likely to get more preformance out of indexing multiple layers of
tables over a single table
L162[14:51:25] <Amanda> table indexing is
slow, AIUI
L163[14:51:37] <Wattana>
Now you can add statements to your breakpoints with LDB! https://tinyurl.com/y3r4wmnb [Edited]
<Wattana>
Now you can add statements to your breakpoints with LDB! https://tinyurl.com/y3r4wmnb [Edited]L164[14:51:55] <Wattana>
might be bragging too much but i added feature for multiple
breakpoint values https://tinyurl.com/y6258btt
<Wattana>
might be bragging too much but i added feature for multiple
breakpoint values https://tinyurl.com/y6258bttL165[14:52:01] <Wattana>
gonn push to gh soon™️
<Wattana>
gonn push to gh soon™️L166[14:52:53] <Z0idberg>
right. Right now, the way it works is that if an event is received
it pushes it on an event queue and all processes handle events in
the order they come in. However, my OS can send events to other OC
computers by using a modem component. This in itself requires
events sent from other processes. So if all the processes re
sending events outside of teh computer on the network, then the
networking part of the OS will get severely backed up.
<Z0idberg>
right. Right now, the way it works is that if an event is received
it pushes it on an event queue and all processes handle events in
the order they come in. However, my OS can send events to other OC
computers by using a modem component. This in itself requires
events sent from other processes. So if all the processes re
sending events outside of teh computer on the network, then the
networking part of the OS will get severely backed up.L167[14:53:08] <Z0idberg>
Which is why I was like, "how can I efficiently handle event
priority?"
<Z0idberg>
Which is why I was like, "how can I efficiently handle event
priority?"L168[14:53:19] <Z0idberg>
Linux uses red black trees for cpu time shceduler
<Z0idberg>
Linux uses red black trees for cpu time shcedulerL169[15:04:31] <Z0idberg>
I'm actually surprised table operations would be slow too though,
it should just be hashed, and if they are smart then they are using
HAMT or something to speed it up
<Z0idberg>
I'm actually surprised table operations would be slow too though,
it should just be hashed, and if they are smart then they are using
HAMT or something to speed it upL170[15:04:47] <Z0idberg>
other than that moving them around is just as simple as moving
their references around
<Z0idberg>
other than that moving them around is just as simple as moving
their references aroundL171[15:05:30] <Z0idberg>
I could benchmark it
<Z0idberg>
I could benchmark itL172[15:07:08] <Amanda> I might be
mis-remembering, @Ocawesome101 I think it was was the one that did
all the lua benchmarks awhile ago
L173[15:07:43] <Z0idberg>
That'd be cool
<Z0idberg>
That'd be coolL174[15:08:15] <Z0idberg>
Thanks for your insight either way, I know you've done a lot of
little projects in the past so I was curious
<Z0idberg>
Thanks for your insight either way, I know you've done a lot of
little projects in the past so I was curiousL175[15:10:54] <Z0idberg>
Plus you're a pretty smart cookie so I knew you weren't going to
say something dumb lol
<Z0idberg>
Plus you're a pretty smart cookie so I knew you weren't going to
say something dumb lolL176[15:16:32] <Ocawesome101> @Z0idberg tables are
reasonably fast if you use direct numerical indexing.
`table.insert‘ and `table.remove` are much slower than setting
`tab[k] = v`
<Ocawesome101> @Z0idberg tables are
reasonably fast if you use direct numerical indexing.
`table.insert‘ and `table.remove` are much slower than setting
`tab[k] = v`L177[15:16:49] <Ocawesome101> @Z0idberg tables are
reasonably fast if you use direct numerical indexing.
`table.insert` and `table.remove` are much slower than setting
`tab[k] = v` [Edited]
<Ocawesome101> @Z0idberg tables are
reasonably fast if you use direct numerical indexing.
`table.insert` and `table.remove` are much slower than setting
`tab[k] = v` [Edited]L178[15:19:47] <Z0idberg>
huh
<Z0idberg>
huhL179[15:21:02] <Z0idberg>
Without looking at the source code, I can't tell if Lua tables are
actually HAMT
<Z0idberg>
Without looking at the source code, I can't tell if Lua tables are
actually HAMTL180[15:22:05] <Z0idberg>
I can see numerical indexing being relatively fast. I can see key
value indexing being fast too, as long as it was hamt or something.
If it needs to rehash every time you insert then no..
<Z0idberg>
I can see numerical indexing being relatively fast. I can see key
value indexing being fast too, as long as it was hamt or something.
If it needs to rehash every time you insert then no..L181[15:22:31] <Z0idberg>
HAMT is kinda nice because inserting new keys doesn't need any
rehashing
<Z0idberg>
HAMT is kinda nice because inserting new keys doesn't need any
rehashingL182[15:23:09] <Z0idberg>
though with red black trees numerical indexing is possible
<Z0idberg>
though with red black trees numerical indexing is possibleL183[15:23:11] <Kristopher38> tables should be fast
<Kristopher38> tables should be fastL184[15:23:15] <Kristopher38> but as with all
things
<Kristopher38> but as with all
thingsL185[15:23:22] <Kristopher38> benchmark first, judge
afterwards
<Kristopher38> benchmark first, judge
afterwardsL186[15:24:09] <Kristopher38> feels like you're trying to
overoptimize early
<Kristopher38> feels like you're trying to
overoptimize earlyL187[15:24:31] <Z0idberg>
It's not that
<Z0idberg>
It's not thatL188[15:25:02] <Z0idberg>
I'm trying to determine if I should use a priority scheduler using
an rb tree or not
<Z0idberg>
I'm trying to determine if I should use a priority scheduler using
an rb tree or notL189[15:25:35] <Z0idberg>
If I fix it the easy way, it will be configured in a way that I
can't really reverse without breaking a lot
<Z0idberg>
If I fix it the easy way, it will be configured in a way that I
can't really reverse without breaking a lotL190[15:25:56] <Z0idberg>
the current scheduler is a problem
<Z0idberg>
the current scheduler is a problemL191[15:26:22] <Z0idberg>
It's preventing core services that should not be built into the
kernel from being able to process events.
<Z0idberg>
It's preventing core services that should not be built into the
kernel from being able to process events.L192[15:26:55] <Kristopher38> and rb tree is the
solution?
<Kristopher38> and rb tree is the
solution?L193[15:28:12] <Z0idberg>
An rb tree is what I would use if this were a typical project
written in C or assembly or something. It is a self balancing
binary tree that when iterated through will always handle the left
side first. It is also the tree that Linux uses for handling
process priority.
<Z0idberg>
An rb tree is what I would use if this were a typical project
written in C or assembly or something. It is a self balancing
binary tree that when iterated through will always handle the left
side first. It is also the tree that Linux uses for handling
process priority.L194[15:32:04] <Kristopher38> are you afraid it will be
too slow?
<Kristopher38> are you afraid it will be
too slow?L195[15:32:22] <Z0idberg>
The concern is that if I implement an rb tree, it will be, at
worst, re-arranging itself for every single event, every single
message sent between every process. This operation is not as bad as
it sounds, but when you're a computer engineer who does a lot of
low level software development on hardware that has less than 1KB
of ram, and takes x clock cycles an instruction, you tend to know
there problems might happen ahead of time.
<Z0idberg>
The concern is that if I implement an rb tree, it will be, at
worst, re-arranging itself for every single event, every single
message sent between every process. This operation is not as bad as
it sounds, but when you're a computer engineer who does a lot of
low level software development on hardware that has less than 1KB
of ram, and takes x clock cycles an instruction, you tend to know
there problems might happen ahead of time.L196[15:32:26] <Z0idberg>
Yes. That's my gander.
<Z0idberg>
Yes. That's my gander.L197[15:34:25] <Z0idberg>
I could use the RB tree for scheduling processes whether or not
they have something to do, but that is extremely wasteful when you
have idle processes
<Z0idberg>
I could use the RB tree for scheduling processes whether or not
they have something to do, but that is extremely wasteful when you
have idle processesL198[15:34:55] <Z0idberg>
if that were the case I wouldn't have worried because the tree
would only be updated when a process is prioritized to a given
priority #
<Z0idberg>
if that were the case I wouldn't have worried because the tree
would only be updated when a process is prioritized to a given
priority #L199[15:35:22] <Z0idberg>
But for event scheduling it has to be inserted every. single.
event. and every message sent between processes.
<Z0idberg>
But for event scheduling it has to be inserted every. single.
event. and every message sent between processes.L200[15:35:36] <Z0idberg>
as well as deleted when they are received
<Z0idberg>
as well as deleted when they are receivedL201[15:35:47] <Z0idberg>
so the tree would constantly be inserting, deleting and
rearranging
<Z0idberg>
so the tree would constantly be inserting, deleting and
rearrangingL202[15:38:33] <Kristopher38> i'm seeing lots of O(log
n)s on the wiki page for rb-tree. Imo it might not be as bad as you
think, how big `n` are we talking about? Also if you have such
concerns you should write an rb-tree implementation in lua and test
performance on your intended use case
<Kristopher38> i'm seeing lots of O(log
n)s on the wiki page for rb-tree. Imo it might not be as bad as you
think, how big `n` are we talking about? Also if you have such
concerns you should write an rb-tree implementation in lua and test
performance on your intended use caseL203[15:41:36] <Z0idberg>
It's dynamic. the size of the tree is always going to be related to
the # of events in waiting to be processed. The tree itself is self
balancing though, so the depth of the tree down every path will
always bee the same, and that part is the part that takes the most
work
<Z0idberg>
It's dynamic. the size of the tree is always going to be related to
the # of events in waiting to be processed. The tree itself is self
balancing though, so the depth of the tree down every path will
always bee the same, and that part is the part that takes the most
workL204[15:43:38] <Z0idberg>
The O(logn) complexity for the majority of its operations are
fine
<Z0idberg>
The O(logn) complexity for the majority of its operations are
fineL205[15:46:48] <Kristopher38> i know, i was asking for a
rough figure
<Kristopher38> i know, i was asking for a
rough figureL206[15:53:55] <Wattana>
yall be talking about some pretty advanced process schedulers
<Wattana>
yall be talking about some pretty advanced process schedulersL207[16:01:05]
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L210[16:43:59] <Michiyo>
%yeshi
<Michiyo>
%yeshiL211[16:44:02] <MichiBot> Hi, welcome to
the opencomputers IRC channel. If you just connected from
minecraft, yes this is a real chat. There are people here, but dont
expect people to engage with someone who just says "hi"
or similar, were (usually) pretty busy.
L212[16:44:12] <Michiyo>
Welcome
<Michiyo>
WelcomeL213[16:45:25] <Z0idberg>
@Wattana Yeah well I ended up finding a bit of an issue with the
trotwood scheduler, in fact I knew about it over a year ago but I
didn't do anything about it
<Z0idberg>
@Wattana Yeah well I ended up finding a bit of an issue with the
trotwood scheduler, in fact I knew about it over a year ago but I
didn't do anything about itL214[16:45:32] <Z0idberg>
couple years ago
<Z0idberg>
couple years agoL215[16:45:41] <Wattana>
>Z0idberg: *couple years ago*
<Wattana>
>Z0idberg: *couple years ago*L216[16:45:42] <Wattana>
👁️👄👁️
<Wattana>
👁️👄👁️L217[16:52:43] <Arstilwater> so,is here
someone could tell me how to connnect OC tu other mods?
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%sip
<Ashirg>
%sipL224[17:47:13] <MichiBot> You drink a
prickly emerald potion (New!). Ashirg turns into a fairy unicorn
boy until they stop thinking about it.
L225[17:47:29] <Ashirg>
How am I supposed to stop thinking about that
<Ashirg>
How am I supposed to stop thinking about thatL226[17:56:10] <Forecaster> You get distracted by
something shiny
<Forecaster> You get distracted by
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%sip
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L233[19:26:35] <Vaur>
%sip
<Vaur>
%sipL234[19:26:35] <MichiBot> You drink a
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Vaur can see the universe. [Spice Addiction +1]
L236[19:30:41] <Ocawesome101> cc @Saghetti
<Ocawesome101> cc @SaghettiL237[19:32:18] <Ocawesome101> doesn't even do VGA
yet
<Ocawesome101> doesn't even do VGA
yetL238[19:39:45] <Kristopher38> so you're finally getting
into osdev? :D
<Kristopher38> so you're finally getting
into osdev? :DL239[19:42:56] <lunar_sam>
👀
<lunar_sam>
👀L240[19:43:07] <lunar_sam>
>Ocawesome101:
<lunar_sam>
>Ocawesome101:L241[19:43:07] <lunar_sam>
what are you writing it in?
<lunar_sam>
what are you writing it in?L242[19:43:11] <Ocawesome101> C
<Ocawesome101> CL243[19:43:15] <Ocawesome101> @Kristopher38 yeah
<Ocawesome101> @Kristopher38 yeahL244[19:43:46] <Ocawesome101> i figured C was probably
best for this since it's the most mainstream and i know it
moderately well
<Ocawesome101> i figured C was probably
best for this since it's the most mainstream and i know it
moderately wellL245[19:44:25] <lunar_sam>
ah, neat
<lunar_sam>
ah, neatL246[19:44:40] <lunar_sam>
i was thinking about writing stuff with nelua
<lunar_sam>
i was thinking about writing stuff with neluaL247[19:45:00] <Ocawesome101> i considered that and i
considered Zig
<Ocawesome101> i considered that and i
considered ZigL248[19:45:10] <lunar_sam>
infact, gonna try to write a TN stack for the PS2 that runs as an
IRX in nelua
<lunar_sam>
infact, gonna try to write a TN stack for the PS2 that runs as an
IRX in neluaL249[19:45:11] <lunar_sam>
:P
<lunar_sam>
:PL250[19:45:24] <lunar_sam>
*compiles to an IRX
<lunar_sam>
*compiles to an IRXL251[19:48:18] <lunar_sam>
OC is a gateway drug
<lunar_sam>
OC is a gateway drugL252[19:57:40] <Z0idberg>
@Ocawesome101 Wanna work on my OS?
<Z0idberg>
@Ocawesome101 Wanna work on my OS?L253[19:57:42] <Z0idberg>
😄
<Z0idberg>
😄L254[19:58:02] <Z0idberg>
It's been sitting around for a while on paper and I never had time
to work on it
<Z0idberg>
It's been sitting around for a while on paper and I never had time
to work on itL255[19:58:05] <Ocawesome101> i still barely know what
i'm doing xd
<Ocawesome101> i still barely know what
i'm doing xdL256[19:58:15] <Ocawesome101> what's the concept behind
it?
<Ocawesome101> what's the concept behind
it?L257[19:59:23] <Z0idberg>
It simulates a stack-based CPU and MMU/RDMA controller that sits on
top of the target system. Software such as a C/C++ program for
example is compiled to the architecture of the OS, not the machine
it is running on, making it portable.
<Z0idberg>
It simulates a stack-based CPU and MMU/RDMA controller that sits on
top of the target system. Software such as a C/C++ program for
example is compiled to the architecture of the OS, not the machine
it is running on, making it portable.L258[19:59:45] <CompanionCube> Izaya: 'An
option drawn up by Mr Raab and attorney general, Suella Bravermen
is for MPs to pass an annual “Interpretation Bill” in which
ministers will strike out findings from judicial reviews the
government did not agree with. The plan has reportedly won the
approval of No 10.' cool and normal legislation
L259[19:59:48] <Z0idberg>
This practice has been done before many many many years ago
actually
<Z0idberg>
This practice has been done before many many many years ago
actuallyL260[20:00:14] <Z0idberg>
I think CompanionCube would admire that I incorporated that into
the design
<Z0idberg>
I think CompanionCube would admire that I incorporated that into
the designL261[20:00:15] <CompanionCube> Z0idberg:
:)
L262[20:00:34] <CompanionCube> iirc the
modern implementation is Android, no'?
L263[20:00:42] <Z0idberg>
Yeah I completely trashed the old exokernel design and was like
screw it, I need a use case for my multi board computer arch
<Z0idberg>
Yeah I completely trashed the old exokernel design and was like
screw it, I need a use case for my multi board computer archL264[20:00:48] <Z0idberg>
Android is similar
<Z0idberg>
Android is similarL265[20:01:12] <Z0idberg>
Though I wanted to make mine like a hybrid exokernel/microkernel
design
<Z0idberg>
Though I wanted to make mine like a hybrid exokernel/microkernel
designL266[20:01:34] <CompanionCube> original
dalvik got replaced with ART which functions closer to this
design
L267[20:02:11] <Z0idberg>
I've been changing the CPU arch slightly too
<Z0idberg>
I've been changing the CPU arch slightly tooL268[20:02:38] <Z0idberg>
I did end up changing the 16 bit instruction format
<Z0idberg>
I did end up changing the 16 bit instruction formatL269[20:03:59] <Z0idberg>
I also changed the DMA controller part to be dynamic and
elastic
<Z0idberg>
I also changed the DMA controller part to be dynamic and
elasticL270[20:04:12] <Z0idberg>
this is the case on the cpld hardware version too
<Z0idberg>
this is the case on the cpld hardware version tooL271[20:04:41] <Z0idberg>
so instead of having fixed DMA channels for certain devices and a
small limited number of them, RDMA is generic and elastic, and you
can make a bunch of them
<Z0idberg>
so instead of having fixed DMA channels for certain devices and a
small limited number of them, RDMA is generic and elastic, and you
can make a bunch of themL272[20:05:27] <Z0idberg>
the only thing to keep in mind is that the DMA controller depending
on the clock runs 16 - 1 to 24 - 1 faster than the cpu clock, cycle
stealing to move memory around
<Z0idberg>
the only thing to keep in mind is that the DMA controller depending
on the clock runs 16 - 1 to 24 - 1 faster than the cpu clock, cycle
stealing to move memory aroundL273[20:05:45] <Z0idberg>
so if you have too many channels then you effectively decrease
throughput
<Z0idberg>
so if you have too many channels then you effectively decrease
throughputL274[20:07:24] <Z0idberg>
What I did decide to also change is that the MMU is now more than
just an IOMMU; It can not only map memory pages in 64K (for 16 bit
mode) memory chunks but also can be used to assist with memory
protection for context switching purposes
<Z0idberg>
What I did decide to also change is that the MMU is now more than
just an IOMMU; It can not only map memory pages in 64K (for 16 bit
mode) memory chunks but also can be used to assist with memory
protection for context switching purposesL275[20:08:14] <Z0idberg>
the DMA controller is capable of working with the MMU (it's built
into the MMU anyways) to help copying and managing memory between
processes which is kinda handy, which means that the way you talk
to hardware and processes is exactly the same
<Z0idberg>
the DMA controller is capable of working with the MMU (it's built
into the MMU anyways) to help copying and managing memory between
processes which is kinda handy, which means that the way you talk
to hardware and processes is exactly the sameL276[20:08:43] <Z0idberg>
you basically just memory map / external function map processes,
similar to how hardware devices are mapped by using the DMA slave
CPLDs
<Z0idberg>
you basically just memory map / external function map processes,
similar to how hardware devices are mapped by using the DMA slave
CPLDsL277[20:08:45] <lunar_sam>
time to make nelua bindings to all of ps2sdk and gskit
<lunar_sam>
time to make nelua bindings to all of ps2sdk and gskitL278[20:08:46] <lunar_sam>
:)
<lunar_sam>
:)L279[20:08:55] <Z0idberg>
@lunar_sam DONT DO IT!
<Z0idberg>
@lunar_sam DONT DO IT!L280[20:08:59] <Z0idberg>
it's dangerous to go alone
<Z0idberg>
it's dangerous to go aloneL281[20:09:02] <lunar_sam>
heh
<lunar_sam>
hehL282[20:09:06] <lunar_sam>
a lot of it can be autogenned
<lunar_sam>
a lot of it can be autogennedL283[20:10:05] <lunar_sam>
gskit, at least, can be autogenned
<lunar_sam>
gskit, at least, can be autogennedL284[20:11:07] <Z0idberg>
@Ocawesome101 Basically you compile your programs to the OS, and
then talk to the OS as if it's another piece of hardware. The
system calls automatically trigger simulated DMA channels used for
IPC and everything.
<Z0idberg>
@Ocawesome101 Basically you compile your programs to the OS, and
then talk to the OS as if it's another piece of hardware. The
system calls automatically trigger simulated DMA channels used for
IPC and everything.L285[20:11:46] <Z0idberg>
it's all in userspace just like a big IPC bus
<Z0idberg>
it's all in userspace just like a big IPC busL286[20:13:58] <Forecaster> %tonkout
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L289[20:14:43] <Ocawesome101> @Z0idberg neat
<Ocawesome101> @Z0idberg neatL290[20:15:35] <Z0idberg>
It definitely makes backwards compatability a little easier
<Z0idberg>
It definitely makes backwards compatability a little easierL291[20:16:50] <lunar_sam>
i love how any discussion of lua outside of like
<lunar_sam>
i love how any discussion of lua outside of likeL292[20:16:57] <lunar_sam>
circles where people mostly write lua
<lunar_sam>
circles where people mostly write luaL293[20:17:06] <lunar_sam>
always ends up going into the 1 based vs 0 based indexing
argument
<lunar_sam>
always ends up going into the 1 based vs 0 based indexing
argumentL294[20:26:11] <Z0idberg>
0 based.
<Z0idberg>
0 based.L295[20:26:23] <Z0idberg>
because *(a + b)
<Z0idberg>
because *(a + b)L296[20:26:38] <Z0idberg>
it makes math easier.
<Z0idberg>
it makes math easier.L297[20:27:28] <Z0idberg>
It's like, "counting seconds. A lot of people do this
"one one thousand two one thousand" thing and that's fine
but many people say the number they land on and unfortunately
they're off by one second, because you can have < 1
second.
<Z0idberg>
It's like, "counting seconds. A lot of people do this
"one one thousand two one thousand" thing and that's fine
but many people say the number they land on and unfortunately
they're off by one second, because you can have < 1
second.L298[20:27:55] <Z0idberg>
and the moment you suggest they try counting from zero thousand
they go wat?
<Z0idberg>
and the moment you suggest they try counting from zero thousand
they go wat?L299[20:28:01] <Z0idberg>
as if their brains couldn't handle it
<Z0idberg>
as if their brains couldn't handle itL300[20:29:24] <Neuro> I
had never heard of 1 indexing before lua
<Neuro> I
had never heard of 1 indexing before luaL301[20:29:29] <Neuro> I
have never heard of it outside of lua
<Neuro> I
have never heard of it outside of luaL302[20:29:30] <Neuro>
it's bad
<Neuro>
it's badL303[20:29:38] <Ocawesome101> 1 indexing is... fine
<Ocawesome101> 1 indexing is... fineL304[20:29:40] <Z0idberg>
Or you could be an auditory learner like me and sit for 8 hours at
a time when you were a kid listening to clocks on the wall and the
individual sounds they make in between their ticks and get really,
really good for no useful reason at counting seconds without any
help.
<Z0idberg>
Or you could be an auditory learner like me and sit for 8 hours at
a time when you were a kid listening to clocks on the wall and the
individual sounds they make in between their ticks and get really,
really good for no useful reason at counting seconds without any
help.L305[20:29:58] <Ocawesome101> though 0-indexing is
certainly better
<Ocawesome101> though 0-indexing is
certainly betterL306[20:30:00] <Z0idberg>
I think it's more that "1 indexing isn't the end of the
world"
<Z0idberg>
I think it's more that "1 indexing isn't the end of the
world"L307[20:30:32] <Neuro>
sure whatever, it's not the end of the world
<Neuro>
sure whatever, it's not the end of the worldL308[20:30:39] <Neuro> but
it's bad
<Neuro> but
it's badL309[20:31:14] <Z0idberg>
if Lua supported macros I'd say write a macro to make it do zero
indexing for you
<Z0idberg>
if Lua supported macros I'd say write a macro to make it do zero
indexing for youL310[20:31:17] <Ocawesome101> i'd argue that an advantage
of 1 indexing, however small, is that `array[len(array)]` works as
you'd expect. having to do `array[len(array) - 1]` to get the last
element of an array can be confusing, particularly for new
programmers
<Ocawesome101> i'd argue that an advantage
of 1 indexing, however small, is that `array[len(array)]` works as
you'd expect. having to do `array[len(array) - 1]` to get the last
element of an array can be confusing, particularly for new
programmersL311[20:32:00] <Ocawesome101> i know it confused me
several times when i started learning to program in Python
<Ocawesome101> i know it confused me
several times when i started learning to program in PythonL312[20:32:10] <Neuro> all
languages have better ways to do that
<Neuro> all
languages have better ways to do thatL313[20:32:15] <Neuro>
array[-1]
<Neuro>
array[-1]L314[20:33:23] <Ocawesome101> that can be equally
unintuitive, though it does make just as much sense when you think
about it for half a second
<Ocawesome101> that can be equally
unintuitive, though it does make just as much sense when you think
about it for half a secondL315[20:33:54] <Neuro> id
argue its something simple enough that it doesn't necessarily need
to be intuitive
<Neuro> id
argue its something simple enough that it doesn't necessarily need
to be intuitiveL316[20:34:05] <Neuro>
it's just something you can memorize as part of syntax
<Neuro>
it's just something you can memorize as part of syntaxL317[20:34:21] <Z0idberg>
I think array[-1] should become *(array - 1) so that you read out
of bounds.
<Z0idberg>
I think array[-1] should become *(array - 1) so that you read out
of bounds.L318[20:34:38] <Z0idberg>
screw wraparound conventions
<Z0idberg>
screw wraparound conventionsL319[20:34:57] <Neuro>
besides, intuition is not just about what you see from a
vacuum
<Neuro>
besides, intuition is not just about what you see from a
vacuumL320[20:35:01] <Neuro>
it's also from past experience
<Neuro>
it's also from past experienceL321[20:35:09] <Neuro>
which is mainly what makes 1-indexing incredibly unintuitive
<Neuro>
which is mainly what makes 1-indexing incredibly unintuitiveL322[20:35:13] <Neuro>
because nothing fucken else uses it
<Neuro>
because nothing fucken else uses itL323[20:35:46] <Ocawesome101> i was speaking from the
point of view of someone who has never programmed
<Ocawesome101> i was speaking from the
point of view of someone who has never programmedL324[20:35:58] <Ocawesome101> as a more experienced
programmer myself i understand the benefits of 0-indexing
<Ocawesome101> as a more experienced
programmer myself i understand the benefits of 0-indexingL325[20:36:17] <Z0idberg>
Tommy eats a stick of butter a day Tommy is a healthy person.
<Z0idberg>
Tommy eats a stick of butter a day Tommy is a healthy person.L326[20:36:27] <Ocawesome101> but IRL if you ask someone
what the 0th element of something is they'll look at you
weirdly
<Ocawesome101> but IRL if you ask someone
what the 0th element of something is they'll look at you
weirdlyL327[20:40:17] <Z0idberg>
Just say the first
<Z0idberg>
Just say the firstL328[20:40:30] <Z0idberg>
If people are new to programming you should put them to work
<Z0idberg>
If people are new to programming you should put them to workL329[20:40:34] <Z0idberg>
make them do it the hard way 😛
<Z0idberg>
make them do it the hard way 😛L330[20:41:55] <Z0idberg>
My introduction to programming was during a time that software was
usually unreachable because you needed to dial phone numbers to
find somebody's random shit at someone's house, get it at a
university via their number (the Internet wasn't really a thing yet
unless you dialed through some lucky bastard with ARPA access, like
a university lab) and, as a result- if you wanted software for your
computer you had to write it yourself.
<Z0idberg>
My introduction to programming was during a time that software was
usually unreachable because you needed to dial phone numbers to
find somebody's random shit at someone's house, get it at a
university via their number (the Internet wasn't really a thing yet
unless you dialed through some lucky bastard with ARPA access, like
a university lab) and, as a result- if you wanted software for your
computer you had to write it yourself.L331[20:41:57] <Neuro>
from someone new to programming I think 0 and 1 indexing are not
super different
<Neuro>
from someone new to programming I think 0 and 1 indexing are not
super differentL332[20:42:02] <Z0idberg>
like if you wanted a text editor
<Z0idberg>
like if you wanted a text editorL333[20:42:06] <Z0idberg>
I had no text editors
<Z0idberg>
I had no text editorsL334[20:42:11] <Z0idberg>
you had to write one
<Z0idberg>
you had to write oneL335[20:42:41] <Kristopher38> >Neuro: it's just
something you can memorize as part…
<Kristopher38> >Neuro: it's just
something you can memorize as part…L336[20:42:41] <Kristopher38> memorize 1-based
indexing
<Kristopher38> memorize 1-based
indexingL337[20:42:42] <Kristopher38> ez
<Kristopher38> ezL338[20:42:42] <Z0idberg>
with a line editor usually that you had access to, or some sort of
way to inject opcodes
<Z0idberg>
with a line editor usually that you had access to, or some sort of
way to inject opcodesL339[20:42:48] <Neuro> yes
yes ok enough in my daying
<Neuro> yes
yes ok enough in my dayingL340[20:42:50] <lunar_sam>
oh
<lunar_sam>
ohL341[20:42:52] <lunar_sam>
autogen isn't working
<lunar_sam>
autogen isn't workingL342[20:42:56] <lunar_sam>
time to manually write bindings
<lunar_sam>
time to manually write bindingsL343[20:43:06] <Z0idberg>
Don't use GNU autotools!
<Z0idberg>
Don't use GNU autotools!L344[20:43:09] <Z0idberg>
they suck
<Z0idberg>
they suckL345[20:43:19] <lunar_sam>
>Neuro: I had never heard of 1 indexing before lu…
<lunar_sam>
>Neuro: I had never heard of 1 indexing before lu…L346[20:43:19] <lunar_sam>
there's plenty of other places!
<lunar_sam>
there's plenty of other places!L347[20:43:20] <Z0idberg>
@lunar_sam you know better
<Z0idberg>
@lunar_sam you know betterL348[20:43:25] <Neuro>
>Kristopher38: memorize 1-based indexing
<Neuro>
>Kristopher38: memorize 1-based indexingL349[20:43:25] <Neuro>
sure you can
<Neuro>
sure you canL350[20:43:28] <lunar_sam>
>Z0idberg: Don't use GNU autotools!
<lunar_sam>
>Z0idberg: Don't use GNU autotools!L351[20:43:28] <lunar_sam>
not GNU autotools
<lunar_sam>
not GNU autotoolsL352[20:43:33] <lunar_sam>
i just mean the tool to generate bindings
<lunar_sam>
i just mean the tool to generate bindingsL353[20:43:36] <Neuro> as
I said, from the perspective of a new coder, it is not super
different
<Neuro> as
I said, from the perspective of a new coder, it is not super
differentL354[20:43:38] <Z0idberg>
lol
<Z0idberg>
lolL355[20:43:49] <Neuro> the
main problem with 1 indexing is simply the lack of conformity
<Neuro> the
main problem with 1 indexing is simply the lack of conformityL356[20:43:51] <lunar_sam>
the ps2sdk gcc won't load gcc plugins
<lunar_sam>
the ps2sdk gcc won't load gcc pluginsL357[20:43:52] <lunar_sam>
:(
<lunar_sam>
:(L358[20:44:02] <Neuro> and
then there are also a decent quantity of secondary reasons why
0-indexing is mildly better
<Neuro> and
then there are also a decent quantity of secondary reasons why
0-indexing is mildly betterL359[20:44:03] <lunar_sam>
at least, the EE gcc won't
<lunar_sam>
at least, the EE gcc won'tL360[20:44:08] <lunar_sam>
don't know about the IOP one
<lunar_sam>
don't know about the IOP oneL361[20:44:22] <Neuro> but
honestly for me, conformity/consistency is the main reasdon
<Neuro> but
honestly for me, conformity/consistency is the main reasdonL362[20:44:24] <Neuro> but
honestly for me, conformity/consistency is the main reason
[Edited]
<Neuro> but
honestly for me, conformity/consistency is the main reason
[Edited]L363[20:44:25] <Amanda> GCC supports
plugins?
L364[20:44:41] <Z0idberg>
You know it's so nice that programming is so accessible now, and
it's nice that everyone owns a computer, I was one of the only two
or three people in my entire school growing up that had a computer
at home until almost high school
<Z0idberg>
You know it's so nice that programming is so accessible now, and
it's nice that everyone owns a computer, I was one of the only two
or three people in my entire school growing up that had a computer
at home until almost high schoolL365[20:44:54] <Neuro>
times have changed
<Neuro>
times have changedL366[20:45:07] <Z0idberg>
it used to be you needed a computer AND you needed someone in your
family that was kinda knowledgeable about this kind of stuff
<Z0idberg>
it used to be you needed a computer AND you needed someone in your
family that was kinda knowledgeable about this kind of stuffL367[20:45:10] <lunar_sam>
>Amanda: GCC supports plugins?
<lunar_sam>
>Amanda: GCC supports plugins?L368[20:45:10] <lunar_sam>
yes!
<lunar_sam>
yes!L369[20:46:26] <Z0idberg>
making sandwiches with chicken lettuce mayonayse and a stick of
butter
<Z0idberg>
making sandwiches with chicken lettuce mayonayse and a stick of
butterL370[20:46:35] <Z0idberg>
what's the stick of butter for? Well, it's for flavor
<Z0idberg>
what's the stick of butter for? Well, it's for flavorL371[20:46:55] <Amanda> I imagine it's the
usual fare of they need to be compiled against the GCC source and
there's no abi conpat
L372[20:47:17] <Z0idberg>
heh
<Z0idberg>
hehL373[20:47:32] <Z0idberg>
lunar, have you checked out smallerC?
<Z0idberg>
lunar, have you checked out smallerC?L374[20:47:35] <Z0idberg>
I use it quite a bit
<Z0idberg>
I use it quite a bitL375[20:47:38] <Amanda> Otherwise I
imagine they'd be more prevelent that I'd have actually heard of
them
L376[20:49:38] <Z0idberg>
LOLOLOLOL
<Z0idberg>
LOLOLOLOLL377[20:49:40] <Z0idberg>
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/734976013876068436/917516697802522644/unknown.png?width=553&height=681
<Z0idberg>
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/734976013876068436/917516697802522644/unknown.png?width=553&height=681L378[20:51:07] <Neuro>
what would you even paste in there?
<Neuro>
what would you even paste in there?L379[20:52:27] <Z0idberg>
hahaha
<Z0idberg>
hahahaL380[20:52:35] <Z0idberg>
Who knows
<Z0idberg>
Who knowsL381[20:53:00] <Amanda> something that
makes you send your current API token, which would let people talk
as you or change your password or whatever
L382[20:53:31] <Forecaster> `computer.hack()`
<Forecaster> `computer.hack()`L383[20:57:35] <Neuro>
yeah I was thinking something to do with tokens
<Neuro>
yeah I was thinking something to do with tokensL384[20:57:44] <Neuro> idk
ive never come across it in person
<Neuro> idk
ive never come across it in personL385[21:01:29] <Z0idberg>
computer.whee
<Z0idberg>
computer.wheeL386[21:01:38] <lunar_sam>
>Z0idberg: lunar, have you checked out smallerC?
<lunar_sam>
>Z0idberg: lunar, have you checked out smallerC?L387[21:01:38] <lunar_sam>
not yet?
<lunar_sam>
not yet?L388[21:01:40] <Z0idberg>
*computer spins around yelling,
"Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!"
<Z0idberg>
*computer spins around yelling,
"Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!"L389[21:02:01] <lunar_sam>
what's smallerC lmao
<lunar_sam>
what's smallerC lmaoL390[21:02:29] <Z0idberg>
Lunar, I love SmallerC. It's a 32 & 16, yes 16! bit x86 C
compiler that can generate NASM AND FASM output.
<Z0idberg>
Lunar, I love SmallerC. It's a 32 & 16, yes 16! bit x86 C
compiler that can generate NASM AND FASM output.L391[21:02:39] <Z0idberg>
it's also a single pass C compiler
<Z0idberg>
it's also a single pass C compilerL392[21:02:46] <Z0idberg>
so it's quite fast
<Z0idberg>
so it's quite fastL393[21:02:58] <Ocawesome101> isn't tcc single
pass?
<Ocawesome101> isn't tcc single
pass?L394[21:03:05] <Z0idberg>
No idea
<Z0idberg>
No ideaL395[21:03:33] <Z0idberg>
To be fair I find nothing wrong with multi pass compiling
<Z0idberg>
To be fair I find nothing wrong with multi pass compilingL396[21:03:55] <Z0idberg>
Especially if it is done efficientl
<Z0idberg>
Especially if it is done efficientlL397[21:03:59] <Z0idberg>
efficiently*
<Z0idberg>
efficiently*L398[21:04:58] <lunar_sam>
can i target the MIPS R5900A :P
<lunar_sam>
can i target the MIPS R5900A :PL399[21:05:17] <Z0idberg>
Probably not.
<Z0idberg>
Probably not.L400[21:05:25] <Z0idberg>
what is so special about that MIPS?
<Z0idberg>
what is so special about that MIPS?L401[21:07:10] <Kristopher38> it's the arch ps2 runs
on
<Kristopher38> it's the arch ps2 runs
onL402[21:07:21] <Elder> Any
news on the 1.16???? And yes, i will ask this wuestion once every
month
<Elder> Any
news on the 1.16???? And yes, i will ask this wuestion once every
monthL403[21:07:27] <Kristopher38> i guess, anyway
<Kristopher38> i guess, anywayL404[21:07:31] <Elder> Any
news on the 1.16 port???? And yes, i will ask this wuestion once
every month [Edited]
<Elder> Any
news on the 1.16 port???? And yes, i will ask this wuestion once
every month [Edited]L405[21:07:33] <Z0idberg>
I see.
<Z0idberg>
I see.L406[21:07:46] <Z0idberg>
MIPS was very popular in the 90s
<Z0idberg>
MIPS was very popular in the 90sL407[21:07:51] <Z0idberg>
I kinda wonder why
<Z0idberg>
I kinda wonder whyL408[21:07:59] <Z0idberg>
It is a nice little architecture
<Z0idberg>
It is a nice little architectureL409[21:08:33] <Z0idberg>
I know the ps2 technically came out in 2000 but
<Z0idberg>
I know the ps2 technically came out in 2000 butL410[21:08:45] <Z0idberg>
we also had the n64 mips for example
<Z0idberg>
we also had the n64 mips for exampleL411[21:08:54] <Z0idberg>
and didn't the original playstation have a mips 32?
<Z0idberg>
and didn't the original playstation have a mips 32?L412[21:08:58] <Elder>
Nvm
<Elder>
NvmL413[21:09:14] <Z0idberg>
@Elder Why not help port it
<Z0idberg>
@Elder Why not help port itL414[21:09:24] <Elder>
Because im 14
<Elder>
Because im 14L415[21:09:30] <Elder> And
have school
<Elder> And
have schoolL416[21:09:33] <Elder> And
dance classes
<Elder> And
dance classesL417[21:09:36] <Elder>
Sadly
<Elder>
SadlyL418[21:09:50] <Kristopher38> lol, i remember being like
this when i was 14
<Kristopher38> lol, i remember being like
this when i was 14L419[21:09:56] <Z0idberg>
Dude when I was your age back in the day I was pulling all nighters
coding and going to school
<Z0idberg>
Dude when I was your age back in the day I was pulling all nighters
coding and going to schoolL420[21:10:03] <Elder>
Hmm
<Elder>
HmmL421[21:10:06] <Elder>
Nah
<Elder>
NahL422[21:10:13] <Z0idberg>
I used to code for 3 days straight until I'd get cold and fall
asleep
<Z0idberg>
I used to code for 3 days straight until I'd get cold and fall
asleepL423[21:10:26] <Kristopher38> >Z0idberg: Dude when I
was your age back in the day I w…
<Kristopher38> >Z0idberg: Dude when I
was your age back in the day I w…L424[21:10:26] <Kristopher38> >back in my
days...
<Kristopher38> >back in my
days...L425[21:10:27] <Z0idberg>
I even kept my entire desktop and everything, my CRT monitor etc on
my bed
<Z0idberg>
I even kept my entire desktop and everything, my CRT monitor etc on
my bedL426[21:10:28] <Elder> I'm
not that passionate
<Elder> I'm
not that passionateL427[21:10:39] <Elder> I
just enjoy mc computer mods
<Elder> I
just enjoy mc computer modsL428[21:10:45] <Elder> And
oc is the best
<Elder> And
oc is the bestL429[21:10:53] <Z0idberg>
btw I don't recommend sleeping next to a CRT sometimes you'll roll
over and wake up with it rolling onto you
<Z0idberg>
btw I don't recommend sleeping next to a CRT sometimes you'll roll
over and wake up with it rolling onto youL430[21:11:05] <Elder> But
unfortunately its really underrayed
<Elder> But
unfortunately its really underrayedL431[21:11:07] <Z0idberg>
it's not that bad but it's surprising
<Z0idberg>
it's not that bad but it's surprisingL432[21:11:24] <Elder> I
guess i have no luck guys
<Elder> I
guess i have no luck guysL433[21:11:30] <Elder> No
oc 1.16
<Elder> No
oc 1.16L434[21:11:33] <Elder>
:(
<Elder>
:(L435[21:11:44] <Elder>
Maybe in a year
<Elder>
Maybe in a yearL436[21:12:17] <Elder> Bye
i have to sleep for tomorrow
<Elder> Bye
i have to sleep for tomorrowL437[21:12:21] <Kristopher38> @Elder you don't know yet
how much work you can fit into 1 day
<Kristopher38> @Elder you don't know yet
how much work you can fit into 1 dayL438[21:12:31] <Elder>
>Kristopher38: <@!649987390844305408> you don't
know…
<Elder>
>Kristopher38: <@!649987390844305408> you don't
know…L439[21:12:32] <Elder>
Maybe
<Elder>
MaybeL440[21:12:36] <Z0idberg>
Obviously I wasn't a very good programmer at the time, but I
started writing code when I was about 7
<Z0idberg>
Obviously I wasn't a very good programmer at the time, but I
started writing code when I was about 7L441[21:12:42] <Kristopher38> spoiler: you can fit more
than you have now
<Kristopher38> spoiler: you can fit more
than you have nowL442[21:13:07] <Elder>
Instead of programming in my free time i rather enjoy solving hard
math priblems
<Elder>
Instead of programming in my free time i rather enjoy solving hard
math priblemsL443[21:13:11] <Kristopher38> but also you enjoy your
youth or whatever
<Kristopher38> but also you enjoy your
youth or whateverL444[21:13:18] <Z0idberg>
you could write code to do that
<Z0idberg>
you could write code to do thatL445[21:13:22] <Elder>
>Kristopher38: but also you enjoy your youth or what…
<Elder>
>Kristopher38: but also you enjoy your youth or what…L446[21:13:22] <Elder>
Glad you said tgat
<Elder>
Glad you said tgatL447[21:13:37] <Elder> I'm
not saying i dont like prigramming
<Elder> I'm
not saying i dont like prigrammingL448[21:13:47] <Elder> But
i use it when i need it
<Elder> But
i use it when i need itL449[21:13:54] <Elder> Not
to just use it
<Elder> Not
to just use itL450[21:14:23] <Elder> I
really have to sleep now. I signed up for an important
contest
<Elder> I
really have to sleep now. I signed up for an important
contestL451[21:14:26] <Elder>
Cya
<Elder>
CyaL452[21:14:38] <Kristopher38> good luck on the
contest
<Kristopher38> good luck on the
contestL453[21:14:50] <Z0idberg>
Don't forget
<Z0idberg>
Don't forgetL454[21:14:55] <Z0idberg>
7 + 1 = 10
<Z0idberg>
7 + 1 = 10L455[21:16:22] <esotericist> current project: despairing
at the state of bundled cable equivalents in recent minecraft
versions
<esotericist> current project: despairing
at the state of bundled cable equivalents in recent minecraft
versionsL456[21:16:32] <esotericist> i don't want to roll my own
cables
<esotericist> i don't want to roll my own
cablesL457[21:16:38] <Z0idberg>
lol
<Z0idberg>
lolL458[21:16:44] <Z0idberg>
I want to see OC ported to fabric
<Z0idberg>
I want to see OC ported to fabricL459[21:16:59] <esotericist> i'm a forge girl, living in
a forge world.
<esotericist> i'm a forge girl, living in
a forge world.L460[21:17:10] <Z0idberg>
force is kinda chonky though
<Z0idberg>
force is kinda chonky thoughL461[21:17:19] <Z0idberg>
it reminds me of a steam boat spitting out soot
<Z0idberg>
it reminds me of a steam boat spitting out sootL462[21:17:33] <esotericist> the hoops you have to go
through for huge technical mods to interoperate in fabric is too
painful for me. i'll pass.
<esotericist> the hoops you have to go
through for huge technical mods to interoperate in fabric is too
painful for me. i'll pass.L463[21:17:41] <esotericist> fabric has its place, but
not with what i want to do
<esotericist> fabric has its place, but
not with what i want to doL464[21:19:00] <esotericist> and i personally haven't
found the performance to be that bad in quite some time
<esotericist> and i personally haven't
found the performance to be that bad in quite some timeL465[21:19:32] <Z0idberg>
Fabric is currently the only way I can get a bunch of mods to work
on my girlfriend's computer
<Z0idberg>
Fabric is currently the only way I can get a bunch of mods to work
on my girlfriend's computerL466[21:19:50] <Z0idberg>
with forge it will literally get like 2FPS
<Z0idberg>
with forge it will literally get like 2FPSL467[21:19:55] <esotericist> i mean. it ultimately boils
down to what your objectives are
<esotericist> i mean. it ultimately boils
down to what your objectives areL468[21:20:04] <esotericist> there are things fabric
excels at. they are not thing i want to do.
<esotericist> there are things fabric
excels at. they are not thing i want to do.L469[21:20:11] <esotericist> the things i want to do, you
really need the infrastructure forge provides
<esotericist> the things i want to do, you
really need the infrastructure forge providesL470[21:21:36] <Z0idberg>
I don't think it's that huge of a deal. Perhaps writing a new
interoperability API would help
<Z0idberg>
I don't think it's that huge of a deal. Perhaps writing a new
interoperability API would helpL471[21:22:01] <lunar_sam>
>Z0idberg: and didn't the original playstation have …
<lunar_sam>
>Z0idberg: and didn't the original playstation have …L472[21:22:02] <lunar_sam>
yes
<lunar_sam>
yesL473[21:22:18]
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L474[21:22:31] <lunar_sam>
many PS2s (maybe even most) also have the PS1's CPU for backwards
compatibility and as the i/o processor
<lunar_sam>
many PS2s (maybe even most) also have the PS1's CPU for backwards
compatibility and as the i/o processorL475[21:22:52] <lunar_sam>
thus why the ps2sdk toolchain requires two gccs
<lunar_sam>
thus why the ps2sdk toolchain requires two gccsL476[21:22:54] <Z0idberg>
that makes sense
<Z0idberg>
that makes senseL477[21:22:58] <Z0idberg>
I remember that
<Z0idberg>
I remember thatL478[21:23:05] <lunar_sam>
one for the R5900A and one for (whatever the PS1's CPU is)
<lunar_sam>
one for the R5900A and one for (whatever the PS1's CPU is)L479[21:23:09] <Z0idberg>
in fact I don't remember a single PS2 that couldn't play PS1
games
<Z0idberg>
in fact I don't remember a single PS2 that couldn't play PS1
gamesL480[21:23:22] <lunar_sam>
the later ones had PPC-based IOPs
<lunar_sam>
the later ones had PPC-based IOPsL481[21:23:23] <lunar_sam>
but
<lunar_sam>
butL482[21:23:29] <Z0idberg>
the thin ones?
<Z0idberg>
the thin ones?L483[21:23:29] <lunar_sam>
i think they emulated the PS1's CPU
<lunar_sam>
i think they emulated the PS1's CPUL484[21:23:35] <lunar_sam>
not just thin ones
<lunar_sam>
not just thin onesL485[21:23:40] <lunar_sam>
there were some fat ones
<lunar_sam>
there were some fat onesL486[21:23:45] <Z0idberg>
huh
<Z0idberg>
huhL487[21:23:56] <Z0idberg>
I used to fix disc read errors for people on the fat ones
<Z0idberg>
I used to fix disc read errors for people on the fat onesL488[21:24:13] <Z0idberg>
they put the potentiometer on the actual moving CD / DVD
laser
<Z0idberg>
they put the potentiometer on the actual moving CD / DVD
laserL489[21:24:18] <Z0idberg>
for voltage control of the lens
<Z0idberg>
for voltage control of the lensL490[21:24:34] <Z0idberg>
so over time it would just vibrate and change its divider
output.
<Z0idberg>
so over time it would just vibrate and change its divider
output.L491[21:24:54] <lunar_sam>
> Note: There is some evidence that the new IOP might still
additionaly contain some kind of MIPS core.
<lunar_sam>
> Note: There is some evidence that the new IOP might still
additionaly contain some kind of MIPS core.L492[21:24:58] <lunar_sam>
interesting
<lunar_sam>
interestingL493[21:25:23] <Z0idberg>
Most of the time that's all it was, and you just needed a
screwdriver, and a multimeter to test the output to ensure it was
right. Many times you ended up increasing the voltage rather than
decreasing too
<Z0idberg>
Most of the time that's all it was, and you just needed a
screwdriver, and a multimeter to test the output to ensure it was
right. Many times you ended up increasing the voltage rather than
decreasing tooL494[21:27:24] <lunar_sam>
i wonder if i can use one of the vector units to decode vorbis or
opus
<lunar_sam>
i wonder if i can use one of the vector units to decode vorbis or
opusL495[21:27:25] <lunar_sam>
heh
<lunar_sam>
hehL496[21:27:37] <Z0idberg>
heh
<Z0idberg>
hehL497[21:28:16] <lunar_sam>
wait
<lunar_sam>
waitL498[21:28:20] <lunar_sam>
i just realized
<lunar_sam>
i just realizedL499[21:28:25] <lunar_sam>
nelua is perfect for ps2dev
<lunar_sam>
nelua is perfect for ps2devL500[21:28:31] <lunar_sam>
coroutine time
<lunar_sam>
coroutine timeL501[21:28:37] <lunar_sam>
*ps2 development
<lunar_sam>
*ps2 developmentL502[21:28:41] <lunar_sam>
not the project ps2dev
<lunar_sam>
not the project ps2devL503[21:28:57] <Z0idberg>
lol
<Z0idberg>
lolL504[21:29:08] <Z0idberg>
use piet
<Z0idberg>
use pietL505[21:29:12] <Z0idberg>
do all of your coding in piet
<Z0idberg>
do all of your coding in pietL506[21:29:25] <Z0idberg>
Your art teacher will be proud
<Z0idberg>
Your art teacher will be proudL507[21:29:28] <lunar_sam>
lmao
<lunar_sam>
lmaoL508[21:30:05] <Amanda> or perl, your for
your psyche professor
L509[21:30:19] <Z0idberg>
lol
<Z0idberg>
lolL510[21:30:19] <Amanda> s/your
for/for/
L511[21:30:20] <MichiBot> <Amanda>
or perl, for your psyche professor
L512[21:30:49] <Amanda> %choose comfort or
utility
L513[21:30:50] <MichiBot> Amanda:
utility'os, for a complete breakfast!
L514[21:30:51] <Z0idberg>
$perl->amandaC('y u do dis?') unless DEBUG;
<Z0idberg>
$perl->amandaC('y u do dis?') unless DEBUG;L515[21:31:36] <Amanda> perl can run ink
blots, it's been tested!
L516[21:32:23] <Z0idberg>
lol
<Z0idberg>
lolL517[21:32:49] <Z0idberg>
I like Perl a lot, I haven't used it in quite a long time.
<Z0idberg>
I like Perl a lot, I haven't used it in quite a long time.L518[21:44:01] <Ocawesome101> @esotericist does Project
Red not work?
<Ocawesome101> @esotericist does Project
Red not work?L519[21:46:56] <esotericist> a) i'm working on 1.18, and
it's only on 1.16, b) its license makes me break out in hives, so
i'm not even willing to look at its api.
<esotericist> a) i'm working on 1.18, and
it's only on 1.16, b) its license makes me break out in hives, so
i'm not even willing to look at its api.L520[21:48:09] <esotericist> a) could be solved with
porting (obviously i'm willing to do some work, since i ported
tis-3d to 1.18), but b) keeps me from touching the code
<esotericist> a) could be solved with
porting (obviously i'm willing to do some work, since i ported
tis-3d to 1.18), but b) keeps me from touching the codeL521[21:49:28] <esotericist> so like, i've got a pile of
mods that each have some of the features i need.
<esotericist> so like, i've got a pile of
mods that each have some of the features i need.L522[21:49:28] <esotericist> morered (also 1.16, but mit
licensed) has the datagen bits i'd want for all the cable
combinations, but it doesn't implement the rp2/p:r cable semantics.
instead they basically act like redstone dust with a slightly
higher internal value (0-31 instead of 0-15, doubles/halves when
going to/from normal redstone signals), and it doesn't have
anything like a connectivity graph internally. it just propagates
tile-by-tile.
<esotericist> morered (also 1.16, but mit
licensed) has the datagen bits i'd want for all the cable
combinations, but it doesn't implement the rp2/p:r cable semantics.
instead they basically act like redstone dust with a slightly
higher internal value (0-31 instead of 0-15, doubles/halves when
going to/from normal redstone signals), and it doesn't have
anything like a connectivity graph internally. it just propagates
tile-by-tile.L523[21:50:27] <esotericist> i'm currently thinking
mugging integrated dynamics for an internal graph might be the way
to go since i'm pretty sure it has one (also mit licensed,
happily)
<esotericist> i'm currently thinking
mugging integrated dynamics for an internal graph might be the way
to go since i'm pretty sure it has one (also mit licensed,
happily)L524[21:50:51] <esotericist> but this is all a lot of
work, so i haven't emotionally committed to it x_x
<esotericist> but this is all a lot of
work, so i haven't emotionally committed to it x_xL525[21:54:00] <esotericist> there is a certain hilarious
symmetry in trying to borrow from integrated dynamics while also
trying to compete with it for "incredibly obtuse automation
tool which can still be used to do useful things".
<esotericist> there is a certain hilarious
symmetry in trying to borrow from integrated dynamics while also
trying to compete with it for "incredibly obtuse automation
tool which can still be used to do useful things".L526[21:54:00] <esotericist> because i haven't given up
on finding tis-like solutions to make tis-3d do useful
things.
<esotericist> because i haven't given up
on finding tis-like solutions to make tis-3d do useful
things.L527[22:02:00] ⇦
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L529[23:09:32] <Z0idberg>
@esotericist solution. Write a new minecraft. Even if you button
mashed the keyboard completely drunk it would be a better
game
<Z0idberg>
@esotericist solution. Write a new minecraft. Even if you button
mashed the keyboard completely drunk it would be a better
gameL530[23:20:53] <Amanda> ... go home,
Steam, you're drunk
L531[23:21:04] <Amanda> https://matrix.camnet.site/_matrix/media/r0/download/camnet.site/GKABUtyqsuHUMuPlgDAGvETZ/screenshot-1638832841.png
L532[23:22:25] <stephan48> how will it get
home safely? does it know where it lives?
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