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<Forecaster> Well okay I could run it, but
a power point presentation had better framerate
<Forecaster> Well okay I could run it, but
a power point presentation had better framerateL2[00:08:37] <Neuro> tbh
it didnt run bad on my laptop last I loaded it
<Neuro> tbh
it didnt run bad on my laptop last I loaded itL3[00:08:44] <Neuro>
altho that was some time ago sure
<Neuro>
altho that was some time ago sureL4[00:08:49] <Neuro>
maybe its gotten worse?
<Neuro>
maybe its gotten worse?L5[00:10:21] <Forecaster> It's been over a year or
something since I last tried it
<Forecaster> It's been over a year or
something since I last tried itL6[00:10:46] <Neuro> idk
then
<Neuro> idk
thenL7[00:11:41] <Neuro> you
know im pretty sure my kickstarter package includes squadron 42 . .
. LOL
<Neuro> you
know im pretty sure my kickstarter package includes squadron 42 . .
. LOLL8[00:12:49] <Neuro> yup
it does
<Neuro> yup
it doesL9[00:12:49] <Neuro>
haha
<Neuro>
hahaL10[00:12:59] <Neuro>
it'll be fun playing that in 2050
<Neuro>
it'll be fun playing that in 2050L11[00:13:40] <Neuro>
haha who am I kidding it's never getting released
<Neuro>
haha who am I kidding it's never getting releasedL12[00:21:13] <Neuro> i
wonder how much it would cost now to buy what I got back then
<Neuro> i
wonder how much it would cost now to buy what I got back thenL13[00:21:34] <Neuro>
for, checks $72
<Neuro>
for, checks $72L14[00:22:06] <Neuro> $78
lol
<Neuro> $78
lolL15[00:22:07] <Neuro>
inflation
<Neuro>
inflationL16[00:23:34] <Michiyo>
It'd been a year or two since I last even had the client
installed
<Michiyo>
It'd been a year or two since I last even had the client
installedL17[00:23:40] <Michiyo>
figured I'd play around with it
<Michiyo>
figured I'd play around with itL18[00:24:57] <Neuro>
didnt install it on this laptop for sure. much too much space
<Neuro>
didnt install it on this laptop for sure. much too much spaceL19[00:25:18] <Neuro> I
would just boot it up every now and then, laugh at how little
progress had been made, and then log off
<Neuro> I
would just boot it up every now and then, laugh at how little
progress had been made, and then log offL20[00:26:15] <Neuro> I
would blame myself for not seeing warning signs but I mean, early
on in the kickstarter it didnt look bad
<Neuro> I
would blame myself for not seeing warning signs but I mean, early
on in the kickstarter it didnt look badL21[00:26:27] <Neuro> its
mainly when it started to bloat with its endless stretch goals that
it looked sussy
<Neuro> its
mainly when it started to bloat with its endless stretch goals that
it looked sussyL22[00:26:32] <Neuro> and
ofc it was only downhill from there
<Neuro> and
ofc it was only downhill from thereL23[00:32:18] ⇦
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Y.
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Y.L28[01:29:14] ⇦
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L30[02:07:14] <Amanda> Elfi: hello yes I'd
like to speak to the spoon allocation subroutines please. Why do I
have server spoons at 2100 on a Saturday long after
unplugging
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L34[02:16:45] <lunar_sam>
hm so
<lunar_sam>
hm soL35[02:16:47] <lunar_sam>
i uh
<lunar_sam>
i uhL39[02:17:25] <lunar_sam>
in normal atmospheric flight
<lunar_sam>
in normal atmospheric flightL40[02:17:56] <lunar_sam>
not escape but
<lunar_sam>
not escape butL41[02:17:57] <lunar_sam>
orbital
<lunar_sam>
orbitalL42[02:18:01] <lunar_sam>
probably coulda hit escape
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L47[03:23:31] *
Amanda offers elfi some midnight snacks, curls up and
zzzmews
L48[03:23:35] <Amanda> Night nerds
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<Ariri>
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am?
<Ariri> i
am?L52[06:42:51] <Forecaster> You are!
<Forecaster> You are!L53[06:42:59] <Forecaster> %tonk
<Forecaster> %tonkL54[06:43:03] <MichiBot> Woooo!
Forecaster! You beat your own previous record of <0 (By 11
hours, 44 minutes and 21 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L55[06:43:04] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new
record is 11 hours, 44 minutes and 21 seconds! No points gained for
stealing from yourself. (Lost out on 0.01174)
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L60[10:05:01] <Vaur>
%sip
<Vaur>
%sipL61[10:05:03] <MichiBot> You drink an
eroded sky potion (New!). The bottle turns into a honey
sling.
L62[11:00:05] <Izaya> %tell Ariri https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/94581420
L63[11:00:15] <MichiBot> Izaya: Ariri will
be notified of this message when next seen.
L64[11:47:31] <Izaya> Amanda: I thought
"Space Exploration" would be like, build a low orbit
space station, go to the moon, kill biters on the moon, the usual.
I'm seeing pictures with eldrich horrors and star gates? What the
fuck did I miss?
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L69[15:21:53] <Amanda> Izaya: it's a whole
overhaul mod, so it does a whole lot, including fucking with
vanilla recipes
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L72[15:37:00] <Amanda> Izaya: I just never
got that far into it.
L73[16:37:45] <Forecaster> %sip
<Forecaster> %sipL74[16:37:47] <MichiBot> You drink a
shimmering void potion (New!). Forecaster gains some curse.
Forecaster has 1 curse.
L75[16:38:57] <Vaur>
%sip
<Vaur>
%sipL76[16:38:58] <MichiBot> You drink a forked
naqahdah potion (New!). Vaur's favourite hat is suddenly
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L78[18:14:14] <Wattana>
guys
<Wattana>
guysL79[18:14:16] ⇦
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L81[18:14:52] <Wattana>
oh shid forgot to clean up
<Wattana>
oh shid forgot to clean upL82[18:15:01] <Wattana>
feel free to remove any serpent-related codes
<Wattana>
feel free to remove any serpent-related codesL83[18:15:07] <Wattana>
requires argparse to work
<Wattana>
requires argparse to workL84[18:17:05] <Z0idberg>
%guzzle
<Z0idberg>
%guzzleL85[18:17:44] <Z0idberg>
@Wattana Depending on libraries now are we
<Z0idberg>
@Wattana Depending on libraries now are weL86[18:17:59] <Wattana>
yes 😳
<Wattana>
yes 😳L87[18:18:24] <Wattana>
maybe i'll try to change it to be completely independent
<Wattana>
maybe i'll try to change it to be completely independentL88[18:20:04] <Z0idberg>
I was just thinking it'd be kinda neat to build a command op system
that simply uses a sandboxed, whitelisted function call thing with
some parenthesis-less function call abuse
<Z0idberg>
I was just thinking it'd be kinda neat to build a command op system
that simply uses a sandboxed, whitelisted function call thing with
some parenthesis-less function call abuseL89[18:20:13] <Z0idberg>
arg*
<Z0idberg>
arg*L90[18:20:57] ⇨
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your commands would have to look like `some_command name
"Wattana" speed 42`
<Z0idberg>
your commands would have to look like `some_command name
"Wattana" speed 42`L92[18:22:24] <Z0idberg>
I guess you could also build a really simple recursive descent
parser out of Lua patterns
<Z0idberg>
I guess you could also build a really simple recursive descent
parser out of Lua patternsL93[18:22:36] <Z0idberg>
Though Lua patterns are shit imo
<Z0idberg>
Though Lua patterns are shit imoL94[18:29:07] <Z0idberg>
@Wattana Could make your own library at this point so your
dependencies are a little easier to manage
<Z0idberg>
@Wattana Could make your own library at this point so your
dependencies are a little easier to manageL95[18:29:27] <Z0idberg>
make some sort of git repo for your OC common stuff
<Z0idberg>
make some sort of git repo for your OC common stuffL96[18:29:32] <Z0idberg>
or even separate them
<Z0idberg>
or even separate themL97[18:29:38] <Z0idberg>
reusable stuff
<Z0idberg>
reusable stuffL98[18:29:39] <Forecaster> %tonkout
<Forecaster> %tonkoutL99[18:29:41] <MichiBot> Yippee!
Forecaster! You beat your own previous record of 11 hours, 44
minutes and 21 seconds (By 2 minutes and 15 seconds)! I hope you're
happy!
L100[18:29:42] <MichiBot> Forecaster has
tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.011 tonk points!
plus 0.02 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score:
4.1862201, Position #2 Need 0.35428254 more points to pass
Vaur!
L101[18:29:50] <Z0idberg>
%stealforecaster's tonk
<Z0idberg>
%stealforecaster's tonkL102[18:30:20] <Wattana>
>Z0idberg: <@!373271404155764747> Could make your …
<Wattana>
>Z0idberg: <@!373271404155764747> Could make your …L103[18:30:20] <Wattana> I
could but the `Make` replacement is still quite experimental
<Wattana> I
could but the `Make` replacement is still quite experimentalL104[18:30:30] <Wattana>
and I don't actually publish a lot of OC programs
<Wattana>
and I don't actually publish a lot of OC programsL105[18:31:15] <Z0idberg>
oh you're using a build system?
<Z0idberg>
oh you're using a build system?L106[18:31:24] <Wattana>
the file i uploaded
<Wattana>
the file i uploadedL107[18:31:29] <Z0idberg>
ic
<Z0idberg>
icL108[18:31:32] <Wattana>
try running it inside of OpenOS
<Wattana>
try running it inside of OpenOSL109[18:31:38] <Wattana>
with argparse ofc
<Wattana>
with argparse ofcL110[18:31:44] <Z0idberg>
I should get ocvm running again so I can finish Trotwood
<Z0idberg>
I should get ocvm running again so I can finish TrotwoodL111[18:32:07] <Wattana>
oh and have a sample makefile too
<Wattana>
oh and have a sample makefile tooL112[18:32:08] <Z0idberg>
It doesn't need a whole lot left to at least be runnable for
testing
<Z0idberg>
It doesn't need a whole lot left to at least be runnable for
testingL114[18:33:14] <Z0idberg>
Huh. Are you trying to spec to GMake?
<Z0idberg>
Huh. Are you trying to spec to GMake?L115[18:33:30] <Wattana>
At least to be compatible with simple Makefiles
<Wattana>
At least to be compatible with simple MakefilesL116[18:33:43] <Wattana> I
made it so I can automate build process, etc. right in OpenOS
<Wattana> I
made it so I can automate build process, etc. right in OpenOSL117[18:34:33] <Z0idberg>
so probably GMake then
<Z0idberg>
so probably GMake thenL118[18:35:03] <Z0idberg>
GMake isn't so bad, I find the documentation to be kinda crap
<Z0idberg>
GMake isn't so bad, I find the documentation to be kinda crapL119[18:38:31] <Wattana>
now how do i name it before putting on on GitHub 🤔
<Wattana>
now how do i name it before putting on on GitHub 🤔L121[18:39:54] <Wattana> i
sure do hope "OCMake" sounds good
<Wattana> i
sure do hope "OCMake" sounds goodL122[18:40:05] <Wattana>
bc luamake is taken
<Wattana>
bc luamake is takenL123[18:40:07] <Wattana>
😭
<Wattana>
😭L124[18:40:08] <Z0idberg>
Don't see why not
<Z0idberg>
Don't see why notL125[18:40:13] <Z0idberg>
omake?
<Z0idberg>
omake?L126[18:40:13] <Z0idberg>
😄
<Z0idberg>
😄L127[18:40:15] <Z0idberg>
ocmake
<Z0idberg>
ocmakeL128[18:40:18] <Z0idberg>
hmmmm
<Z0idberg>
hmmmmL129[18:40:32] <Wattana>
~~flashbacks to oclinux~~
<Wattana>
~~flashbacks to oclinux~~L130[18:40:35] <Z0idberg>
could also call it something sompletely wild
<Z0idberg>
could also call it something sompletely wildL131[18:42:30] <Z0idberg>
I don't actually see all of the attractiveness to creating *nixlike
systems for OC
<Z0idberg>
I don't actually see all of the attractiveness to creating *nixlike
systems for OCL132[18:43:08] <Z0idberg>
Which is why when I started writing TrotwoodOS I decided to figure
out "what is the focus of this os and what how do I intend to
interact with it, or write software for it"?
<Z0idberg>
Which is why when I started writing TrotwoodOS I decided to figure
out "what is the focus of this os and what how do I intend to
interact with it, or write software for it"?L133[18:45:15] <Z0idberg>
That ended up helping me realize that he problems that a nix like
tries to solve aren't relevant to my use cases.
<Z0idberg>
That ended up helping me realize that he problems that a nix like
tries to solve aren't relevant to my use cases.L134[18:46:42] <Z0idberg>
(This is why my actual hobby OS for x86 also is not posix compliant
or anything)
<Z0idberg>
(This is why my actual hobby OS for x86 also is not posix compliant
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L140[19:10:37] <Ocawesome101> @Z0idberg make a
Lisp-like
<Ocawesome101> @Z0idberg make a
Lisp-likeL141[19:10:47] <Ocawesome101> (shell)
<Ocawesome101> (shell)L142[19:11:16] <Ocawesome101> @Wattana i'd say Lake, but
that's taken... perhaps Bake?
<Ocawesome101> @Wattana i'd say Lake, but
that's taken... perhaps Bake?L143[19:11:56] <Wattana>
> Bake?
<Wattana>
> Bake?L144[19:11:56] <Wattana> i
dont see why not
<Wattana> i
dont see why notL146[19:17:02] ⇦
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L149[19:20:16] <Ocawesome101> nice @Wattana
<Ocawesome101> nice @WattanaL150[19:20:18] <MichiBot> How To Fake
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Published On 1/8/2014
L151[19:20:48] <Wattana> I
just had to find a disastrous oven pic and use it as preview
lmao
<Wattana> I
just had to find a disastrous oven pic and use it as preview
lmaoL152[19:40:07] <StilauGamer> How can I make this actually
be true if it has a link.
<StilauGamer> How can I make this actually
be true if it has a link.L153[19:40:29] ⇦
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L158[20:01:48] <Ocawesome101> @StilauGamer are you trying
to check if `answer` contains a URL, or something else?
<Ocawesome101> @StilauGamer are you trying
to check if `answer` contains a URL, or something else?L159[20:02:52] <Z0idberg>
@Ocawesome101 lisp likes are neat
<Z0idberg>
@Ocawesome101 lisp likes are neatL160[20:03:12] <Z0idberg>
especially with s expressions, you can make an s expression tree
builder in just a few lines of code in some languages
<Z0idberg>
especially with s expressions, you can make an s expression tree
builder in just a few lines of code in some languagesL161[20:03:38] <Ocawesome101> recursive matching with
`%b()`, plus some tokenizing, does it in Lua
<Ocawesome101> recursive matching with
`%b()`, plus some tokenizing, does it in LuaL162[20:03:46] <Z0idberg>
yeah
<Z0idberg>
yeahL163[20:04:15] <Ocawesome101> ULOS's shell was initially
vaguely lisp-like, but i decided i preferred a Bourne-style shell
for piping and whatnot (had it been a full Lisp my opinion might
have differed)
<Ocawesome101> ULOS's shell was initially
vaguely lisp-like, but i decided i preferred a Bourne-style shell
for piping and whatnot (had it been a full Lisp my opinion might
have differed)L164[20:04:39] <Z0idberg>
honestly using s expressions for scripting isn't so bad. In fact,
I've been wanting to make a port of Forth to make it easier to do
scripting in Space Engineers.. Perhaps S exptressions would be
better?
<Z0idberg>
honestly using s expressions for scripting isn't so bad. In fact,
I've been wanting to make a port of Forth to make it easier to do
scripting in Space Engineers.. Perhaps S exptressions would be
better?L165[20:05:15] <Z0idberg>
I don't know why they decided to go with C# for their scripting,
it's really, really dumb.
<Z0idberg>
I don't know why they decided to go with C# for their scripting,
it's really, really dumb.L166[20:05:37] <Izaya> either of those
would be preferable to OOP hell
L167[20:05:55] <Z0idberg>
sigh
<Z0idberg>
sighL168[20:06:05] <Z0idberg>
If I could make a Lua computer mod or something..
<Z0idberg>
If I could make a Lua computer mod or something..L169[20:06:27] <Izaya> wouldn't solve the
hardcoded problems though, unfortunately
L170[20:06:36] <Z0idberg>
yeah.
<Z0idberg>
yeah.L171[20:06:58] <Z0idberg>
Sometimes I want to make my own version of Space Engineers, but
that's so much work.. So much work...
<Z0idberg>
Sometimes I want to make my own version of Space Engineers, but
that's so much work.. So much work...L172[20:06:59] <Kristopher38> >Z0idberg: I don't know
why they decided to go with C# …
<Kristopher38> >Z0idberg: I don't know
why they decided to go with C# …L173[20:07:00] <Kristopher38> Because the game itself is
written in C#
<Kristopher38> Because the game itself is
written in C#L174[20:07:16] <Z0idberg>
@Kristopher38 That's not a very good reason though most of the
time.
<Z0idberg>
@Kristopher38 That's not a very good reason though most of the
time.L175[20:07:26] <Z0idberg>
It'
<Z0idberg>
It'L176[20:07:50] <Kristopher38> I mean interfacing is so
much easier that way
<Kristopher38> I mean interfacing is so
much easier that wayL177[20:07:53] <Z0idberg>
It's usually better to make some sort of API and bind it to
something else.
<Z0idberg>
It's usually better to make some sort of API and bind it to
something else.L178[20:07:56] <Z0idberg>
not always
<Z0idberg>
not alwaysL179[20:08:04] <Z0idberg>
Let's say that I wrote SE in Perl
<Z0idberg>
Let's say that I wrote SE in PerlL180[20:08:07] <Kristopher38> Though programmable block
looks like it was hamfisted into the game anyway
<Kristopher38> Though programmable block
looks like it was hamfisted into the game anywayL181[20:08:18] <Z0idberg>
I wouldn't want to make the in game scripting language Perl; That's
a massive security problem when it comes to sandboxing
<Z0idberg>
I wouldn't want to make the in game scripting language Perl; That's
a massive security problem when it comes to sandboxingL182[20:08:25] <Z0idberg>
It would take a ton of work to make it safe
<Z0idberg>
It would take a ton of work to make it safeL183[20:08:37] <Z0idberg>
and even then, isn't actually safe
<Z0idberg>
and even then, isn't actually safeL184[20:08:56] <Kristopher38> Well uhh, they made it safe
by allowing only a whitelisted list of libraries
<Kristopher38> Well uhh, they made it safe
by allowing only a whitelisted list of librariesL185[20:09:36] <Z0idberg>
Which is still not theoretically safe
<Z0idberg>
Which is still not theoretically safeL186[20:09:48] <Z0idberg>
Something like Lua is a lot easier to sandbox
<Z0idberg>
Something like Lua is a lot easier to sandboxL187[20:10:05] <Z0idberg>
Or JavaScript
<Z0idberg>
Or JavaScriptL188[20:10:13] <Z0idberg>
Tcl...
<Z0idberg>
Tcl...L189[20:10:37] <Z0idberg>
Starbase made their own but it's kind of lame
<Z0idberg>
Starbase made their own but it's kind of lameL190[20:10:56] <Z0idberg>
It's called Yolol I believe
<Z0idberg>
It's called Yolol I believeL191[20:11:39] <Neuro> I
mean, dual universe uses sandboxed lua and it has been broken open
. . a lot
<Neuro> I
mean, dual universe uses sandboxed lua and it has been broken open
. . a lotL192[20:11:50] <Neuro>
they have seemingly been quite good at patching holes but
yeah
<Neuro>
they have seemingly been quite good at patching holes but
yeahL193[20:12:53] <Neuro> but
you could do things like just straight up crash the server/cause
lag, bypass all the inherent lua restrictions by injecting C
libraries to allow for HTTP communication, etc etc
<Neuro> but
you could do things like just straight up crash the server/cause
lag, bypass all the inherent lua restrictions by injecting C
libraries to allow for HTTP communication, etc etcL194[20:13:08] <Z0idberg>
I wonder if they allow for libraries they shouldnt' be or add
custonm ones though
<Z0idberg>
I wonder if they allow for libraries they shouldnt' be or add
custonm ones thoughL195[20:13:11] <Neuro> I
mean the group I was with was only looking to make programs they
could SAAS via lua
<Neuro> I
mean the group I was with was only looking to make programs they
could SAAS via luaL196[20:13:20] <Neuro> not
even explicitly trying to break the game
<Neuro> not
even explicitly trying to break the gameL197[20:13:27] <Z0idberg>
The one nice thing about Lua is that it's extremely tiny and easy
to maintain
<Z0idberg>
The one nice thing about Lua is that it's extremely tiny and easy
to maintainL198[20:13:30] <Neuro> we
just stumbled across so much stuff you could do anyway lol
<Neuro> we
just stumbled across so much stuff you could do anyway lolL199[20:13:51] <Izaya> throwback to
killing the CC execution thread
L200[20:14:06] <Z0idberg>
heh
<Z0idberg>
hehL201[20:14:06] <Neuro> but
obviously SAAS didn't exist inherently ingame
<Neuro> but
obviously SAAS didn't exist inherently ingameL202[20:14:20] <Neuro> you
could sell copies of software, but it would only take one person to
just copy it for free and then yeah
<Neuro> you
could sell copies of software, but it would only take one person to
just copy it for free and then yeahL203[20:14:44] <Z0idberg>
Didn't the old version of SE get open sourced before they rewrote
the engine?
<Z0idberg>
Didn't the old version of SE get open sourced before they rewrote
the engine?L204[20:14:47] <Neuro> so
we figured out how to inject C libraries for internet access into
it (something you were distinctly not supposed to do but they
seemed to be OK with)
<Neuro> so
we figured out how to inject C libraries for internet access into
it (something you were distinctly not supposed to do but they
seemed to be OK with)L205[20:15:00] <Z0idberg>
yep
<Z0idberg>
yepL206[20:15:00] <Z0idberg>
sharriman@homefieldit.com
<Z0idberg>
sharriman@homefieldit.comL207[20:15:06] <Neuro>
then you could SAAS it via credentials etc
<Neuro>
then you could SAAS it via credentials etcL208[20:15:06] <StilauGamer> >Ocawesome101:
<@!163612264446820352> are you trying to ch…
<StilauGamer> >Ocawesome101:
<@!163612264446820352> are you trying to ch…L209[20:15:07] <StilauGamer> I want it to be like
this:
<StilauGamer> I want it to be like
this:L210[20:15:07] <StilauGamer> I do a command like: `url
link`
<StilauGamer> I do a command like: `url
link`L211[20:15:07] <StilauGamer> Then the link will be
outputted for example, but when I try it just errors out since it
only looks for the message with url not with the argument too
<StilauGamer> Then the link will be
outputted for example, but when I try it just errors out since it
only looks for the message with url not with the argument tooL213[20:15:10] <StilauGamer> If that makes any
sense
<StilauGamer> If that makes any
senseL214[20:15:12] <Z0idberg>
wrong link lol
<Z0idberg>
wrong link lolL215[20:15:22] <Izaya> I think it was more
like the CoFH "fuck you" license
L216[20:17:29] <Z0idberg>
@StilauGamer Uhhh. so you want, what exactly to happen when someone
types url link
<Z0idberg>
@StilauGamer Uhhh. so you want, what exactly to happen when someone
types url linkL217[20:17:35] <Z0idberg>
what is url linjk
<Z0idberg>
what is url linjkL218[20:17:38] <Z0idberg>
link*
<Z0idberg>
link*L219[20:17:54] <Z0idberg>
you are just detecting if someone types in something that looks
like a url?
<Z0idberg>
you are just detecting if someone types in something that looks
like a url?L220[20:19:29] <StilauGamer> So.
<StilauGamer> So.L221[20:19:29] <StilauGamer> I am making a program for
openFM so I can input links, etc.
<StilauGamer> I am making a program for
openFM so I can input links, etc.L222[20:19:29] <StilauGamer> And then I want it to put
the link into there if I do: `url link` into the console
<StilauGamer> And then I want it to put
the link into there if I do: `url link` into the consoleL223[20:19:44] <StilauGamer> But when I do url link it
justs fucks it up and types it as that its not a command
<StilauGamer> But when I do url link it
justs fucks it up and types it as that its not a commandL224[20:20:03] <StilauGamer> and if I do without a link
it spits out an error, cuz its misses a argument on the
"Url" thingy
<StilauGamer> and if I do without a link
it spits out an error, cuz its misses a argument on the
"Url" thingyL225[20:20:07] <StilauGamer> and if I do without a link
it spits out an error, cuz its misses a argument on the url command
[Edited]
<StilauGamer> and if I do without a link
it spits out an error, cuz its misses a argument on the url command
[Edited]L226[20:20:20] <Z0idberg>
Hm. Does OC support shebangs?
<Z0idberg>
Hm. Does OC support shebangs?L227[20:21:23] <CompanionCube> no?
L228[20:21:49] <Z0idberg>
That's a bummer
<Z0idberg>
That's a bummerL229[20:22:48] <Vaur> well
... might as well do it now rather than interrupt more
conversation
<Vaur> well
... might as well do it now rather than interrupt more
conversationL230[20:22:51] <Vaur>
%tonk
<Vaur>
%tonkL231[20:22:53] <MichiBot> Darn it! Vaur!
You beat Forecaster's previous record of <0 (By 1 hour, 53
minutes and 12 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L232[20:22:54] <MichiBot> Vaur's new
record is 1 hour, 53 minutes and 12 seconds! Vaur also gained
0.00189 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #1.
L233[20:23:58] <Vaur>
(well that was a fail)
<Vaur>
(well that was a fail)L234[20:24:17] <Z0idberg>
Oh?
<Z0idberg>
Oh?L235[20:24:34] <Vaur> I
missed forecaster had tonkout
<Vaur> I
missed forecaster had tonkoutL236[20:26:12] <Z0idberg>
%tonkin
<Z0idberg>
%tonkinL237[20:26:22] <Z0idberg>
%js 1
<Z0idberg>
%js 1L238[20:26:26] <Z0idberg>
aww
<Z0idberg>
awwL239[20:26:30] <Z0idberg>
js no worky anymore
<Z0idberg>
js no worky anymoreL240[20:26:42] <Z0idberg>
Michiyo be so mad that I broke it
<Z0idberg>
Michiyo be so mad that I broke itL241[20:27:37] <Z0idberg>
coffee and eggnog
<Z0idberg>
coffee and eggnogL242[20:27:39] <Wattana>
whats tonk
<Wattana>
whats tonkL243[20:27:40] <Wattana>
?
<Wattana>
?L244[20:27:46] <Z0idberg>
It's an idle game
<Z0idberg>
It's an idle gameL245[20:27:50] <Z0idberg>
I hate it
<Z0idberg>
I hate itL246[20:28:01] <Ocawesome101> @Z0idberg OpenOS does
actually support shebangs
<Ocawesome101> @Z0idberg OpenOS does
actually support shebangsL247[20:28:17] <Ocawesome101> @StilauGamer can you put
your code on pastebin so we can see all of it?
<Ocawesome101> @StilauGamer can you put
your code on pastebin so we can see all of it?L248[20:29:01] <Z0idberg>
@StilauGamerWell there you go throw a shebang in it and try it
then.
<Z0idberg>
@StilauGamerWell there you go throw a shebang in it and try it
then.L249[20:29:14] <Z0idberg>
do what @Ocawesome101 says first
<Z0idberg>
do what @Ocawesome101 says firstL250[20:29:59] <Z0idberg>
@Wattana Are you going to make an entire set of build tools that I
can use for Trotwood?
<Z0idberg>
@Wattana Are you going to make an entire set of build tools that I
can use for Trotwood?L251[20:30:01] <Z0idberg>
😄
<Z0idberg>
😄L252[20:30:22] <Z0idberg>
Trotwood needs some file concatenation tools and initial ramdisk
compressors, etc
<Z0idberg>
Trotwood needs some file concatenation tools and initial ramdisk
compressors, etcL253[20:30:46] <Wattana>
hold up how the fuck do you do ramdisk on a virtualized computer
running on lua architecture
<Wattana>
hold up how the fuck do you do ramdisk on a virtualized computer
running on lua architectureL254[20:31:00] <Wattana>
👀
<Wattana>
👀L255[20:31:00] <Z0idberg>
Easily.
<Z0idberg>
Easily.L256[20:31:06] <Z0idberg>
Code is memory
<Z0idberg>
Code is memoryL257[20:31:19] <Z0idberg>
all you have to do is throw all of the files and load it as a
program or as a string
<Z0idberg>
all you have to do is throw all of the files and load it as a
program or as a stringL258[20:31:42] <Z0idberg>
this is how the Trotwood kernel gets its boot fs
<Z0idberg>
this is how the Trotwood kernel gets its boot fsL259[20:32:07] <Z0idberg>
One way you can also do it is to make a lua script that is
generated as a table
<Z0idberg>
One way you can also do it is to make a lua script that is
generated as a tableL260[20:32:12] <Z0idberg>
and put files inside of the table
<Z0idberg>
and put files inside of the tableL261[20:32:26] <Z0idberg>
then some sort of code to "require" files, which instead
looks inside of the initrd table.
<Z0idberg>
then some sort of code to "require" files, which instead
looks inside of the initrd table.L262[20:32:30] <Z0idberg>
seems neat eh?
<Z0idberg>
seems neat eh?L263[20:32:36] <Wattana>
holy shid
<Wattana>
holy shidL264[20:32:55] <Z0idberg>
I think either @lunar_sam or Izaya or both made inline
decompressors too
<Z0idberg>
I think either @lunar_sam or Izaya or both made inline
decompressors tooL265[20:33:13] <Z0idberg>
taht you can decompress code on the fly by stabbing a little tiny
decompressing lua program at the beginning of the file
<Z0idberg>
taht you can decompress code on the fly by stabbing a little tiny
decompressing lua program at the beginning of the fileL266[20:33:19] <lunar_sam>
ah
<lunar_sam>
ahL267[20:33:21] <lunar_sam>
yeah
<lunar_sam>
yeahL268[20:33:30] <Z0idberg>
you also made a cpio port iirc
<Z0idberg>
you also made a cpio port iircL269[20:33:55] <lunar_sam>
i put `\27ZLS` at the beginning of my compressed scripts so they'd
error under normal script loading
<lunar_sam>
i put `\27ZLS` at the beginning of my compressed scripts so they'd
error under normal script loadingL270[20:34:05] <lunar_sam>
with a like
<lunar_sam>
with a likeL271[20:34:10] <Z0idberg>
@Wattana i was working on an EEPROM programmer that will take Lua
code and flash the CC eeprom with a self-decompressing in ram
version
<Z0idberg>
@Wattana i was working on an EEPROM programmer that will take Lua
code and flash the CC eeprom with a self-decompressing in ram
versionL272[20:34:13] <lunar_sam>
"unable to load bytecode" error
<lunar_sam>
"unable to load bytecode" errorL273[20:34:18] <Z0idberg>
so you can use up to like what 16K of code in your eeprom?
<Z0idberg>
so you can use up to like what 16K of code in your eeprom?L274[20:34:21] <Z0idberg>
in a 4K space
<Z0idberg>
in a 4K spaceL275[20:34:33] <lunar_sam>
anyways
<lunar_sam>
anywaysL276[20:34:39] <lunar_sam>
with my discovery of nelua
<lunar_sam>
with my discovery of neluaL277[20:34:39] <Z0idberg>
that's like 1000 lines of lua
<Z0idberg>
that's like 1000 lines of luaL278[20:34:44] <lunar_sam>
i'm working on a funny thing
<lunar_sam>
i'm working on a funny thingL279[20:34:54] <lunar_sam>
a TN stack
<lunar_sam>
a TN stackL280[20:34:56] <lunar_sam>
for linux
<lunar_sam>
for linuxL281[20:35:01] <Z0idberg>
lol?
<Z0idberg>
lol?L282[20:35:04] <Z0idberg>
TN stack?
<Z0idberg>
TN stack?L283[20:35:15] <lunar_sam>
tsukinet stack
<lunar_sam>
tsukinet stackL284[20:35:25] <CompanionCube> Skye:
Izaya: the uk government continues the war on drugs: 'Passports to
be taken off illegal drug users in Boris Johnson’s new
crackdown'
L285[20:35:32] <CompanionCube> inb4
'tn5250 or tn3270' :p
L286[20:35:40] <Wattana>
what are the benefits of using initial ramdisk?
<Wattana>
what are the benefits of using initial ramdisk?L287[20:36:03] <Amanda> you don't have to
compile every linux module under the sun into the kernel
L288[20:36:11] <Wattana> i
mean in trotwood
<Wattana> i
mean in trotwoodL289[20:36:19] <lunar_sam>
oh
<lunar_sam>
ohL290[20:36:22] <Wattana>
less worry about reimplementing `require` n stuff?
<Wattana>
less worry about reimplementing `require` n stuff?L291[20:36:31] <lunar_sam>
initrd means you can run off of an unmanaged disk or network
boot
<lunar_sam>
initrd means you can run off of an unmanaged disk or network
bootL292[20:36:37] <Z0idberg>
@Wattana It supports unmanaged (binary) filesystems on OC
disks.
<Z0idberg>
@Wattana It supports unmanaged (binary) filesystems on OC
disks.L293[20:36:39] <lunar_sam>
that's why zorya uses it, at least
<lunar_sam>
that's why zorya uses it, at leastL294[20:36:46] <Wattana>
on
<Wattana>
onL295[20:36:47] <Wattana>
oh [Edited]
<Wattana>
oh [Edited]L296[20:36:48] <lunar_sam>
also it marginally speeds up boot times
<lunar_sam>
also it marginally speeds up boot timesL297[20:36:50] <Z0idberg>
it allows you to load in a temporary filesystem for
bootstrapping
<Z0idberg>
it allows you to load in a temporary filesystem for
bootstrappingL298[20:37:01] <lunar_sam>
marginally
<lunar_sam>
marginallyL299[20:37:13] <lunar_sam>
the best way to speed up boot times, ironically, is to compress
your code
<lunar_sam>
the best way to speed up boot times, ironically, is to compress
your codeL300[20:37:22] <lunar_sam>
because you have to make less component calls
<lunar_sam>
because you have to make less component callsL301[20:37:30] <lunar_sam>
:P
<lunar_sam>
:PL302[20:39:00] <Kristopher38> that's neat
<Kristopher38> that's neatL303[20:39:46] <lunar_sam>
also another trick is to just
<lunar_sam>
also another trick is to justL304[20:39:49] <lunar_sam>
`not load all the modules`
<lunar_sam>
`not load all the modules`L305[20:40:02] <lunar_sam>
thus why zorya neo is so much faster than zorya 1.x
<lunar_sam>
thus why zorya neo is so much faster than zorya 1.xL306[20:40:08] <Wattana>
>Z0idberg: <@!373271404155764747> Are you going to…
<Wattana>
>Z0idberg: <@!373271404155764747> Are you going to…L307[20:40:08] <Wattana>
going back on the topic....
<Wattana>
going back on the topic....L308[20:40:35] <lunar_sam>
i need to make a script to generate nelua bindings
<lunar_sam>
i need to make a script to generate nelua bindingsL309[20:40:36] <lunar_sam>
hmmm
<lunar_sam>
hmmmL310[20:40:54] <Wattana>
file concatenation, you can use the `cat` command for that
<Wattana>
file concatenation, you can use the `cat` command for thatL311[20:41:03] <Wattana>
for compression....
<Wattana>
for compression....L312[20:41:06] <Z0idberg>
Sure, but there's more to it.
<Z0idberg>
Sure, but there's more to it.L313[20:41:11] <Wattana>
are initrd for trotwood just a single script?
<Wattana>
are initrd for trotwood just a single script?L314[20:41:15] <Z0idberg>
It's not -just- concatenation
<Z0idberg>
It's not -just- concatenationL315[20:41:21] <Z0idberg>
it's more module bundling
<Z0idberg>
it's more module bundlingL316[20:41:32] <Z0idberg>
think turning a bunch of .o files into a single library
<Z0idberg>
think turning a bunch of .o files into a single libraryL317[20:41:39] <Z0idberg>
Only Lua
<Z0idberg>
Only LuaL318[20:41:52] <Wattana>
>Z0idberg: it's more module bundling
<Wattana>
>Z0idberg: it's more module bundlingL319[20:41:52] <Wattana>
kinda like luacomp's `--#include` directive?
<Wattana>
kinda like luacomp's `--#include` directive?L320[20:41:54] <lunar_sam>
so, in the case of zorya, zorya's initrd is a bunch of compressed
modules in a binary cpio
<lunar_sam>
so, in the case of zorya, zorya's initrd is a bunch of compressed
modules in a binary cpioL321[20:41:59] <Z0idberg>
Perhaps
<Z0idberg>
PerhapsL322[20:42:23] <lunar_sam>
no, `--#include` is precise concatenation with preprocessing
<lunar_sam>
no, `--#include` is precise concatenation with preprocessingL323[20:43:02] <lunar_sam>
speaking of cpios
<lunar_sam>
speaking of cpiosL324[20:43:08] <lunar_sam>
@Z0idberg have you seen cpio64 :P
<lunar_sam>
@Z0idberg have you seen cpio64 :PL325[20:43:33] <Z0idberg>
OH yeah and also @Wattana Trotwood can use the Initrd to
"slave netboot nodes". The way this work is that every OC
computer uses the Trotwood kernel and in the initrd they wait for a
master to boot and give them all of the resources they need to
boot, which they boot, and then connect their process schedulers
together, forming one OS that runs on as many OC computers at the
same time as you want, all sharing their process scheduler.
<Z0idberg>
OH yeah and also @Wattana Trotwood can use the Initrd to
"slave netboot nodes". The way this work is that every OC
computer uses the Trotwood kernel and in the initrd they wait for a
master to boot and give them all of the resources they need to
boot, which they boot, and then connect their process schedulers
together, forming one OS that runs on as many OC computers at the
same time as you want, all sharing their process scheduler.L326[20:43:46] <Z0idberg>
The purpose of Trotwood is to combine resources
<Z0idberg>
The purpose of Trotwood is to combine resourcesL327[20:44:10] <Z0idberg>
so instead of 5 individual computers each with 1 MB of disk space
you can have 5 individual computers that share 5MB of disk
space
<Z0idberg>
so instead of 5 individual computers each with 1 MB of disk space
you can have 5 individual computers that share 5MB of disk
spaceL329[20:44:30] <Wattana>
>Z0idberg: The purpose of Trotwood is to combine r…
<Wattana>
>Z0idberg: The purpose of Trotwood is to combine r…L330[20:44:30] <Wattana>
OC supercomputer clusters?
<Wattana>
OC supercomputer clusters?L331[20:44:30] <lunar_sam>
trotwood seems neat
<lunar_sam>
trotwood seems neatL332[20:44:33] <Z0idberg>
yes.
<Z0idberg>
yes.L333[20:44:48] <Z0idberg>
@Wattana Exactly
<Z0idberg>
@Wattana ExactlyL334[20:44:54] <lunar_sam>
i'm not sure what i wanna do exactly with tsuki
<lunar_sam>
i'm not sure what i wanna do exactly with tsukiL335[20:45:28] <Z0idberg>
Trotwood computers can also talk to components that are attached to
other computers, so you could have multiple computers separated by
network relays and support more than the maximum required component
count by using multiple OC computers.
<Z0idberg>
Trotwood computers can also talk to components that are attached to
other computers, so you could have multiple computers separated by
network relays and support more than the maximum required component
count by using multiple OC computers.L336[20:45:37] <lunar_sam>
i just know i wanna be able to have "coprocessor
computers" to run simple tasks and whatnot, and to support
multiple computers booting off the same networked disk
<lunar_sam>
i just know i wanna be able to have "coprocessor
computers" to run simple tasks and whatnot, and to support
multiple computers booting off the same networked diskL337[20:45:40] <Z0idberg>
you know how if you use too many components on one computer it
breaks
<Z0idberg>
you know how if you use too many components on one computer it
breaksL338[20:45:50] <lunar_sam>
also unixy
<lunar_sam>
also unixyL339[20:45:57] <lunar_sam>
because of course it is
<lunar_sam>
because of course it isL340[20:45:58] <Z0idberg>
Trotwood lets you talk to components on other nodes as if they are
on your own.
<Z0idberg>
Trotwood lets you talk to components on other nodes as if they are
on your own.L341[20:46:18] <Wattana>
so Trotwood is basically a supercomputer OS
<Wattana>
so Trotwood is basically a supercomputer OSL342[20:46:24] <Wattana>
an OP one
<Wattana>
an OP oneL343[20:46:31] <lunar_sam>
also a lot of how tsuki's fs and permissions stuff works (and
interacting with components!) is via alternate data streams
<lunar_sam>
also a lot of how tsuki's fs and permissions stuff works (and
interacting with components!) is via alternate data streamsL344[20:46:46] <Z0idberg>
@Wattana the way this works in Trotwood is that all process IDs are
floating point numbers. a process of < 1 meaning 0.123, 0.456,
etc are processes on teh current node. pid 123 and 456 on the
current node. PID 4.123 is process IC on 123 on node 4.
<Z0idberg>
@Wattana the way this works in Trotwood is that all process IDs are
floating point numbers. a process of < 1 meaning 0.123, 0.456,
etc are processes on teh current node. pid 123 and 456 on the
current node. PID 4.123 is process IC on 123 on node 4.L345[20:46:54] <lunar_sam>
because they're neat, but if your FS and OS support them, it should
be more clear about it
<lunar_sam>
because they're neat, but if your FS and OS support them, it should
be more clear about itL346[20:46:59] <lunar_sam>
windows
<lunar_sam>
windowsL347[20:47:03] <Z0idberg>
processes perform work in Trotwood by passing messages between
eachother
<Z0idberg>
processes perform work in Trotwood by passing messages between
eachotherL348[20:47:23] <Z0idberg>
so you can simply be like send(somepidonanothernode, message)
<Z0idberg>
so you can simply be like send(somepidonanothernode, message)L349[20:47:32] <Z0idberg>
i.e.
<Z0idberg>
i.e.L350[20:47:37] <lunar_sam>
in tsuki, i plan to support listing ADSs with the same filesystem
apis as everything else
<lunar_sam>
in tsuki, i plan to support listing ADSs with the same filesystem
apis as everything elseL351[20:47:38] <Z0idberg>
send (4.567, "foo")
<Z0idberg>
send (4.567, "foo")L352[20:47:42] <lunar_sam>
you wanna list ADSs?
<lunar_sam>
you wanna list ADSs?L353[20:47:48] <lunar_sam>
`ls /path/to/file:/`
<lunar_sam>
`ls /path/to/file:/`L354[20:48:12] <lunar_sam>
you want say, the `xattrs` stream?
<lunar_sam>
you want say, the `xattrs` stream?L355[20:48:18] <Z0idberg>
Trotwood's scheduler knows it needs to look up the node routing
table if a PID is > 1 is all.
<Z0idberg>
Trotwood's scheduler knows it needs to look up the node routing
table if a PID is > 1 is all.L356[20:48:21] <lunar_sam>
`cat /path/to/file:/xattrs`
<lunar_sam>
`cat /path/to/file:/xattrs`L357[20:48:29] <Kristopher38> @Z0idberg did trotwood ever
get finished?
<Kristopher38> @Z0idberg did trotwood ever
get finished?L358[20:48:48] <lunar_sam>
and if you wanna open a stream in code?
<lunar_sam>
and if you wanna open a stream in code?L359[20:48:50] <CompanionCube> lunar_sam:
vaguely reminded of solaris: https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E26505_01/html/816-5175/fsattr-5.html
L360[20:48:57] <Z0idberg>
It got like 60% finished and then I got busy with work. I have been
thinking about sitting down at it again. I have it on a private git
repo
<Z0idberg>
It got like 60% finished and then I got busy with work. I have been
thinking about sitting down at it again. I have it on a private git
repoL361[20:49:04] <lunar_sam>
`io.open("foo:/bar", "w")`
<lunar_sam>
`io.open("foo:/bar", "w")`L362[20:49:07] <Z0idberg>
the scheduler is working
<Z0idberg>
the scheduler is workingL363[20:49:19] <lunar_sam>
CC: didn't even know about this
<lunar_sam>
CC: didn't even know about thisL364[20:49:20] <Z0idberg>
networking is on the way, the VFS is kinda working
<Z0idberg>
networking is on the way, the VFS is kinda workingL365[20:49:28] <lunar_sam>
i remember i had tsuki's scheduler working
<lunar_sam>
i remember i had tsuki's scheduler workingL366[20:49:38] <lunar_sam>
and i had a """working""" TN stack
for OC
<lunar_sam>
and i had a """working""" TN stack
for OCL367[20:49:43] <lunar_sam>
it was just very bad and slow
<lunar_sam>
it was just very bad and slowL368[20:49:52] <Kristopher38> cause honestly i like the
idea, it's something i haven't seen before
<Kristopher38> cause honestly i like the
idea, it's something i haven't seen beforeL369[20:49:54] <Z0idberg>
the OS API is just yield calls and that was working
<Z0idberg>
the OS API is just yield calls and that was workingL370[20:50:21] <Z0idberg>
if you send(...) it relly is actually just a
coroutine.yield(":send", ...)
<Z0idberg>
if you send(...) it relly is actually just a
coroutine.yield(":send", ...)L371[20:50:39] <Z0idberg>
I wrote functions to make it sexier
<Z0idberg>
I wrote functions to make it sexierL372[20:50:41] <lunar_sam>
i don't know how i'd work a TN stack into a linux module and have
it work with `socket`
<lunar_sam>
i don't know how i'd work a TN stack into a linux module and have
it work with `socket`L373[20:51:02] <CompanionCube> (given ZFS
was originally developed for Solaris, there is the situation where
the filesystem limit for something is higher than the OS
limit)
L374[20:51:14] <Z0idberg>
@Kristopher38 I would particularly like to get it working because
it is useful for setting up train systems where you might have a
microcontroller at every train junction or something?
<Z0idberg>
@Kristopher38 I would particularly like to get it working because
it is useful for setting up train systems where you might have a
microcontroller at every train junction or something?L375[20:51:22] <Z0idberg>
at least that's an idea I had
<Z0idberg>
at least that's an idea I hadL376[20:51:25] <Z0idberg>
for a use case
<Z0idberg>
for a use caseL377[20:51:46] <lunar_sam>
i wanted to use tsuki to make smart terminals
<lunar_sam>
i wanted to use tsuki to make smart terminalsL378[20:51:49] <Kristopher38> honestly I see plenty of
use cases
<Kristopher38> honestly I see plenty of
use casesL379[20:52:07] <Kristopher38> under your OS you don't
have to think of computers as separate entities now
<Kristopher38> under your OS you don't
have to think of computers as separate entities nowL380[20:52:17] <Z0idberg>
all of the junctions would just act as one computer. I also wanted
to be able to namespace nodes too, so you could more than one
trotwood cluster on the same network without having to change the
port #
<Z0idberg>
all of the junctions would just act as one computer. I also wanted
to be able to namespace nodes too, so you could more than one
trotwood cluster on the same network without having to change the
port #L381[20:52:26] <Z0idberg>
but maybe having a different port # is enough
<Z0idberg>
but maybe having a different port # is enoughL382[20:52:32] <Kristopher38> but instead you can think
of them as processes and treat them that way
<Kristopher38> but instead you can think
of them as processes and treat them that wayL383[20:52:46] <Kristopher38> as if everything was one 1
machine
<Kristopher38> as if everything was one 1
machineL384[20:53:01] <lunar_sam>
you can have T1 hardware in all the terminals and a central server
that can handle most of the heavy lifting, since you can just have
"tsuki sockets" for services
<lunar_sam>
you can have T1 hardware in all the terminals and a central server
that can handle most of the heavy lifting, since you can just have
"tsuki sockets" for servicesL385[20:53:26] <lunar_sam>
which, when opening one up, opens a TN socket in the
background
<lunar_sam>
which, when opening one up, opens a TN socket in the
backgroundL386[20:53:27] <Kristopher38> so everything which
requires any kind of networking now becomes so much easier because
the OS handles that for you
<Kristopher38> so everything which
requires any kind of networking now becomes so much easier because
the OS handles that for youL387[20:53:31] <Z0idberg>
My intentions for trotwood myself was to implement a software suite
on top of it I call "DMS" which is kind of like what you
would call a "distribution" like in the Linux world.
Trotwood/DMS was like my idea of introducting telephone circuit
switching into MC.
<Z0idberg>
My intentions for trotwood myself was to implement a software suite
on top of it I call "DMS" which is kind of like what you
would call a "distribution" like in the Linux world.
Trotwood/DMS was like my idea of introducting telephone circuit
switching into MC.L388[20:54:30] <Z0idberg>
It would act as a telephone switch at that point and just let you
dial all of your nodes and components by telephone number or
something. But it'd be a separate software package set not part of
Trotwood itself.
<Z0idberg>
It would act as a telephone switch at that point and just let you
dial all of your nodes and components by telephone number or
something. But it'd be a separate software package set not part of
Trotwood itself.L389[20:57:36] <Z0idberg>
@Kristopher38 Precisely. I always thought networking was kinda
weird in OC. And also, parallel problems are often difficult to
write, so I figured it would be good to approach the problem with
distributed concurrency instead.
<Z0idberg>
@Kristopher38 Precisely. I always thought networking was kinda
weird in OC. And also, parallel problems are often difficult to
write, so I figured it would be good to approach the problem with
distributed concurrency instead.L390[20:58:23] <Z0idberg>
I had a TODO.txt somewhere..
<Z0idberg>
I had a TODO.txt somewhere..L391[20:58:52] <Z0idberg>
I also thought about "what if I were able to boot OC on top of
trotwood"
<Z0idberg>
I also thought about "what if I were able to boot OC on top of
trotwood"L392[20:58:57] <Z0idberg>
and use trotwood as the underlying OS of OC
<Z0idberg>
and use trotwood as the underlying OS of OCL393[20:59:10] <Wattana> u
mean openos?
<Wattana> u
mean openos?L394[20:59:13] <Z0idberg>
Trotwood scheduler is extremely lightweight and is event pub/sub
based.
<Z0idberg>
Trotwood scheduler is extremely lightweight and is event pub/sub
based.L395[20:59:14] <Z0idberg>
yep.
<Z0idberg>
yep.L396[20:59:27] <Z0idberg>
processes ONLY run when they have something to do
<Z0idberg>
processes ONLY run when they have something to doL397[20:59:31] <Kristopher38> I'd really like some
writeup on this
<Kristopher38> I'd really like some
writeup on thisL398[20:59:38] <Kristopher38> like with pretty diagram
thrown in there
<Kristopher38> like with pretty diagram
thrown in thereL399[20:59:39] <Z0idberg>
if they never have anything to do they just exist forever
<Z0idberg>
if they never have anything to do they just exist foreverL400[20:59:47] <Z0idberg>
until you kill them of course
<Z0idberg>
until you kill them of courseL401[20:59:56] <Z0idberg>
I could do it
<Z0idberg>
I could do itL402[21:00:14] <Z0idberg>
I -was- writing a book on it about its design story and why it's
the way it is, how to configure it etc.
<Z0idberg>
I -was- writing a book on it about its design story and why it's
the way it is, how to configure it etc.L403[21:00:19] <Z0idberg>
I could continue that
<Z0idberg>
I could continue thatL404[21:00:29] <Z0idberg>
(It was in latex so it'd be a pdf)
<Z0idberg>
(It was in latex so it'd be a pdf)L405[21:00:36] <Z0idberg>
Buuuut. Maybe a github site
<Z0idberg>
Buuuut. Maybe a github siteL406[21:00:44] <Z0idberg>
you can do md with github sites right?
<Z0idberg>
you can do md with github sites right?L407[21:01:25] <Kristopher38> yeah
<Kristopher38> yeahL408[21:01:31] <Z0idberg>
I need a paste site
<Z0idberg>
I need a paste siteL409[21:01:32] <Kristopher38> I'd read that
<Kristopher38> I'd read thatL410[21:01:36] <Z0idberg>
whats a good one these days?
<Z0idberg>
whats a good one these days?L411[21:02:27] <Wattana>
so uh im thinking
<Wattana>
so uh im thinkingL412[21:02:33] <Wattana>
lua debugger written in lua
<Wattana>
lua debugger written in luaL413[21:02:44] <Wattana>
like what mineos have but a proper one without bloats
<Wattana>
like what mineos have but a proper one without bloatsL414[21:03:04] <Wattana>
would help out a lot with complex codes
<Wattana>
would help out a lot with complex codesL415[21:03:10] <Z0idberg>
so I did find this but it is seriously outdated
<Z0idberg>
so I did find this but it is seriously outdatedL417[21:03:12] <Wattana>
and not having to debug print
<Wattana>
and not having to debug printL418[21:03:24] <Z0idberg>
the overlay system has been entirely replaced with a Mikrotik
RouterOS command line
<Z0idberg>
the overlay system has been entirely replaced with a Mikrotik
RouterOS command lineL419[21:03:39] <Z0idberg>
if you have any experience with RouterOS from Mikrotik routers /
switches you will feel at home with Trotwood
<Z0idberg>
if you have any experience with RouterOS from Mikrotik routers /
switches you will feel at home with TrotwoodL420[21:04:05] <Z0idberg>
it's like a self indexing shell that has a built in nosql key value
store database
<Z0idberg>
it's like a self indexing shell that has a built in nosql key value
store databaseL421[21:04:17] <lunar_sam>
the only OS i've actually written is Zorya NEO :P
<lunar_sam>
the only OS i've actually written is Zorya NEO :PL422[21:04:25] <lunar_sam>
it has a full scheduler!
<lunar_sam>
it has a full scheduler!L423[21:05:48] <lunar_sam>
the source for it is a mess, though
<lunar_sam>
the source for it is a mess, thoughL424[21:05:49] <lunar_sam>
lmao
<lunar_sam>
lmaoL425[21:05:52] <lunar_sam>
zorya itself, that is
<lunar_sam>
zorya itself, that isL426[21:06:34] <lunar_sam>
https://github.com/lunaboards-dev/Zorya-NEO/blob/master/ksrc/libs/thd.lua
jank code
<lunar_sam>
https://github.com/lunaboards-dev/Zorya-NEO/blob/master/ksrc/libs/thd.lua
jank codeL427[21:06:56] <lunar_sam>
https://github.com/lunaboards-dev/Zorya-NEO/blob/master/ksrc/kinit.lua
extra jank
<lunar_sam>
https://github.com/lunaboards-dev/Zorya-NEO/blob/master/ksrc/kinit.lua
extra jankL428[21:07:01] <Kristopher38> >Z0idberg: if you have
any experience with RouterOS fro…
<Kristopher38> >Z0idberg: if you have
any experience with RouterOS fro…L429[21:07:01] <Kristopher38> i have exactly 0 but that's
okay
<Kristopher38> i have exactly 0 but that's
okayL430[21:07:14] <esotericist> sup guys
<esotericist> sup guysL432[21:07:26] <Wattana>
>esotericist: sup guys
<Wattana>
>esotericist: sup guysL433[21:07:26] <Wattana>
sup
<Wattana>
supL434[21:07:27] <Z0idberg>
so this is the command line of my router
<Z0idberg>
so this is the command line of my routerL436[21:07:33] <Z0idberg>
this is basically how Trotwood works
<Z0idberg>
this is basically how Trotwood worksL437[21:07:54] <Z0idberg>
the idea is that programs on trotwood will be able to
"register" commands by category and name
<Z0idberg>
the idea is that programs on trotwood will be able to
"register" commands by category and nameL438[21:07:59] <Z0idberg>
as well as their type, etc
<Z0idberg>
as well as their type, etcL439[21:08:14] <Z0idberg>
the command line will also serve as an interface to a database that
processes can use and the command line can use to keep state
<Z0idberg>
the command line will also serve as an interface to a database that
processes can use and the command line can use to keep stateL440[21:08:23] <Z0idberg>
kinda handy
<Z0idberg>
kinda handyL441[21:08:53] <Z0idberg>
overlays still exist, it's just that it is the only overlay it
comes with. if you want a linux like interface you would make a
linux like overlay
<Z0idberg>
overlays still exist, it's just that it is the only overlay it
comes with. if you want a linux like interface you would make a
linux like overlayL442[21:09:01] <Z0idberg>
(overlays are kinda like shells, in a way)
<Z0idberg>
(overlays are kinda like shells, in a way)L443[21:09:06] <esotericist> getting that ported to 1.18
was a lot less painful than i expected
<esotericist> getting that ported to 1.18
was a lot less painful than i expectedL444[21:09:20] <esotericist> i suppose my civic duty at
this point is to clean things up and submit a PR
<esotericist> i suppose my civic duty at
this point is to clean things up and submit a PRL445[21:11:01] <lunar_sam>
heh
<lunar_sam>
hehL446[21:11:53] <Kristopher38> @esotericist
<Kristopher38> @esotericistL447[21:11:55] <Kristopher38> @esotericist good job
[Edited]
<Kristopher38> @esotericist good job
[Edited]L448[21:13:32] <Izaya> wait what got
ported to 1.18?
L449[21:13:58] <Ocawesome101> TIS-3D
<Ocawesome101> TIS-3DL450[21:14:05] <Izaya> oic
L451[21:14:20] <esotericist> right now i'm trying to do
some testing to make sure i didn't break things
<esotericist> right now i'm trying to do
some testing to make sure i didn't break thingsL452[21:14:30] <esotericist> the part i was most
uncertain of is how i handled the capability bits
<esotericist> the part i was most
uncertain of is how i handled the capability bitsL453[21:14:51] <esotericist> looks like... the infrared
receiver is the part i need to test for that?
<esotericist> looks like... the infrared
receiver is the part i need to test for that?L455[21:16:33] <esotericist> that works too.
<esotericist> that works too.L456[21:17:51] <esotericist> already tested the code
bible and the manual...
<esotericist> already tested the code
bible and the manual...L457[21:19:02] <esotericist> the biggest issue is i got
REALLY sloppy with my imports, and threw a ton of asterisks in
there. i assume sangar will not want it that way.
<esotericist> the biggest issue is i got
REALLY sloppy with my imports, and threw a ton of asterisks in
there. i assume sangar will not want it that way.L458[21:19:37] <esotericist> but i was kinda wanting to
pare down the 120 compilation complaints quickly to get to the part
where i had to fix broken code. which... somehow... didn't
happen?
<esotericist> but i was kinda wanting to
pare down the 120 compilation complaints quickly to get to the part
where i had to fix broken code. which... somehow... didn't
happen?L459[21:21:03] <esotericist> @Sangar i assume PRs are
welcome for this? i also know i'm probably one of your only
long-term users of the mod. :P so i figured i should step
forward
<esotericist> @Sangar i assume PRs are
welcome for this? i also know i'm probably one of your only
long-term users of the mod. :P so i figured i should step
forwardL460[21:31:13] <esotericist> well. that's slightly
obnoxious, but i guess kinda understandable, sorta. i can't submit
a PR to a new branch, only an existing branch.
<esotericist> well. that's slightly
obnoxious, but i guess kinda understandable, sorta. i can't submit
a PR to a new branch, only an existing branch.L461[21:31:13] <esotericist> this is why having a master
branch is kinda assumed with github stuff, though, i suppose
<esotericist> this is why having a master
branch is kinda assumed with github stuff, though, i supposeL462[21:36:22] <Ocawesome101> anybody got a pure lua LZSS
compressor?
<Ocawesome101> anybody got a pure lua LZSS
compressor?L463[21:36:29] <Ocawesome101> possibly @lunar_sam ?
<Ocawesome101> possibly @lunar_sam ?L464[21:36:37] <lunar_sam>
yea
<lunar_sam>
yeaL465[21:36:57] <lunar_sam>
should be one in the zorya neo repo
<lunar_sam>
should be one in the zorya neo repoL466[21:37:07] <lunar_sam>
under utils?
<lunar_sam>
under utils?L467[21:37:12] <Ocawesome101> thanks
<Ocawesome101> thanksL468[21:37:20] <Ocawesome101> i also want the 256-byte
decompressor, or however small it was - is that in there too?
<Ocawesome101> i also want the 256-byte
decompressor, or however small it was - is that in there too?L469[21:37:32] <Sangar>
>esotericist: <@!96665277030203392> i assume PRs
are…
<Sangar>
>esotericist: <@!96665277030203392> i assume PRs
are…L470[21:37:32] <Sangar>
oh, nice! thanks 🙂 i can make a branch so you can pr onto it
<Sangar>
oh, nice! thanks 🙂 i can make a branch so you can pr onto itL471[21:38:28] <Sangar>
done
<Sangar>
doneL472[21:38:54] <lunar_sam>
>Ocawesome101: i also want the 256-byte decompressor, or…
<lunar_sam>
>Ocawesome101: i also want the 256-byte decompressor, or…L473[21:38:55] <lunar_sam>
it's under the src directory, sec
<lunar_sam>
it's under the src directory, secL474[21:39:09] <lunar_sam>
https://github.com/lunaboards-dev/Zorya-NEO/blob/master/utils/unzlua.lua
this contains the full lzss library
<lunar_sam>
https://github.com/lunaboards-dev/Zorya-NEO/blob/master/utils/unzlua.lua
this contains the full lzss libraryL476[21:39:34] <lunar_sam>
here's the mini one
<lunar_sam>
here's the mini oneL477[21:40:51] <esotericist> >Sangar: oh, nice! thanks
🙂 i can make a branch so …
<esotericist> >Sangar: oh, nice! thanks
🙂 i can make a branch so …L478[21:40:51] <esotericist> i'll need a 1.18 branch for
markdown manual, too
<esotericist> i'll need a 1.18 branch for
markdown manual, tooL479[21:41:44] <esotericist> also because i had to do
markdown manual locally first my current build stuff is not quite
clean for targeting the cursemaven bit for building tis-3d
<esotericist> also because i had to do
markdown manual locally first my current build stuff is not quite
clean for targeting the cursemaven bit for building tis-3dL480[21:42:08] <esotericist> also, the jei integration is
commented out, but jei is available. i have no idea what the jei
integration even does, so i'm not sure how to test it if i
re-enable it
<esotericist> also, the jei integration is
commented out, but jei is available. i have no idea what the jei
integration even does, so i'm not sure how to test it if i
re-enable itL481[21:43:58] <esotericist> now that i'm out of things
to test i'll try to clean up my imports
<esotericist> now that i'm out of things
to test i'll try to clean up my importsL482[21:44:42] <Sangar>
>esotericist: i'll need a 1.18 branch for markdown m…
<Sangar>
>esotericist: i'll need a 1.18 branch for markdown m…L483[21:44:43] <Sangar>
done!
<Sangar>
done!L484[21:45:12] <Sangar>
jei is just in there to make in-dev testing more comfortable
(instead of using regular creative tab), iirc there's no actual
integration there
<Sangar>
jei is just in there to make in-dev testing more comfortable
(instead of using regular creative tab), iirc there's no actual
integration thereL485[21:45:48] <esotericist> oh, okay.
<esotericist> oh, okay.L486[21:46:01] <esotericist> so i can ignore that, and
just submit all this stuff once i'm done with the cleanup
<esotericist> so i can ignore that, and
just submit all this stuff once i'm done with the cleanupL487[21:46:19] <esotericist> honestly i was shocked at
how straightforward all of this was
<esotericist> honestly i was shocked at
how straightforward all of this wasL488[21:50:07] <Ashirg>
%sip
<Ashirg>
%sipL489[21:50:08] <MichiBot> You drink a
spooned boneboo potion (New!). Ashirg looks confused as nothing
happens.
L490[21:58:02] <esotericist> ... i think i have some
linting churn. shit. i did not intend to do that
<esotericist> ... i think i have some
linting churn. shit. i did not intend to do thatL491[22:09:15] <esotericist> anyway. posted the pull
requests. i'm going to wander off to do other things in the dark
'cuz apparently migraine time is now, so if you need me to clean up
the accidental linting, sangar, i'll see a ping (here or on github)
later.
<esotericist> anyway. posted the pull
requests. i'm going to wander off to do other things in the dark
'cuz apparently migraine time is now, so if you need me to clean up
the accidental linting, sangar, i'll see a ping (here or on github)
later.L492[22:10:12] <esotericist> i might make an attempt to
look look at tis-3d additions later, although i'm not super
enthused about trying to do the 1.16 -> post 1.16 transition on
a mod that i'm not intimately familiar with. that was daunting
enough with a mod i made myself
<esotericist> i might make an attempt to
look look at tis-3d additions later, although i'm not super
enthused about trying to do the 1.16 -> post 1.16 transition on
a mod that i'm not intimately familiar with. that was daunting
enough with a mod i made myselfL493[22:11:46] <Wattana>
how the hell does MineOS implement it's debugger :/
<Wattana>
how the hell does MineOS implement it's debugger :/L494[22:11:52] <Wattana>
Especially with the breakpoints
<Wattana>
Especially with the breakpointsL495[22:12:45] <Izaya> inb4
coroutines
L496[22:13:04] <Izaya> maybe metatables
too
L497[22:17:03] <Wattana>
hou
<Wattana>
houL498[22:17:07] <Wattana> i
dug in a little bit and
<Wattana> i
dug in a little bit andL499[22:17:21] <Wattana>
it seem to be modifying programs before running
<Wattana>
it seem to be modifying programs before runningL500[22:18:31] <Wattana>
it insert yield calls
<Wattana>
it insert yield callsL501[22:33:25] <Kristopher38> that's certainly a way to
do it
<Kristopher38> that's certainly a way to
do itL502[22:33:43] <Kristopher38> hm
<Kristopher38> hmL503[22:33:54] <Kristopher38> does it have watches?
<Kristopher38> does it have watches?L504[22:34:03] <Kristopher38> as in, can you look up
variable names?
<Kristopher38> as in, can you look up
variable names?L505[22:34:35] <Kristopher38> as in, can you look up
variable values? [Edited]
<Kristopher38> as in, can you look up
variable values? [Edited]L506[22:39:19] <Kristopher38> @Ocawesome101 since you
have some experience with it, here's an idea for making a debugger:
when running program in debug mode, insert `if line in breakpoints
then yieldto_debugger(all visible variables go here, so all locals
and upvalues) end` between each lua statement
<Kristopher38> @Ocawesome101 since you
have some experience with it, here's an idea for making a debugger:
when running program in debug mode, insert `if line in breakpoints
then yieldto_debugger(all visible variables go here, so all locals
and upvalues) end` between each lua statementL507[22:39:57] <Ocawesome101> hmm, yeah could do
that
<Ocawesome101> hmm, yeah could do
thatL508[22:39:58] <Kristopher38> you could have your usual
breakpoints, single step, run to line, and variable watches
<Kristopher38> you could have your usual
breakpoints, single step, run to line, and variable watchesL509[22:40:11] <Ocawesome101> i'm not up for it but you
could definitely modify Cynosure's yield injector to do that
<Ocawesome101> i'm not up for it but you
could definitely modify Cynosure's yield injector to do thatL510[22:41:09] <Kristopher38> i was hoping you would be
since i have chronic lack of free time these days and i like seeing
cool ideas come to life
<Kristopher38> i was hoping you would be
since i have chronic lack of free time these days and i like seeing
cool ideas come to lifeL511[22:42:03] <Kristopher38> oh well, maybe i'll look
into it during christmas break
<Kristopher38> oh well, maybe i'll look
into it during christmas breakL512[22:42:43] <Kristopher38> that would actually be a
lot more practical to write than making a full-blown lua vm inside
lua lol
<Kristopher38> that would actually be a
lot more practical to write than making a full-blown lua vm inside
lua lolL513[22:43:44] <Kristopher38> are you doing any lexical
analysis on the code inside the yield injector?
<Kristopher38> are you doing any lexical
analysis on the code inside the yield injector?L514[22:53:04] <Kristopher38> Looks like you don't, I
probably will have to to not break multiline statements
<Kristopher38> Looks like you don't, I
probably will have to to not break multiline statementsL515[23:01:40] <CompanionCube> Skye:
Izaya: oh btw, since the government wants to introduce voter id,
that is worse now with the drugs thing...
L516[23:04:49] <Ocawesome101> @Kristopher38 the only
thing i do that could even be remotely considered lexical analysis
is to skip strings
<Ocawesome101> @Kristopher38 the only
thing i do that could even be remotely considered lexical analysis
is to skip stringsL517[23:13:24] <Kristopher38> i wonder if this would run
well in OC given its memory limitations https://github.com/thenumbernine/lua-parser
<Kristopher38> i wonder if this would run
well in OC given its memory limitations https://github.com/thenumbernine/lua-parserL519[23:24:15] <Z0idberg>
@Wattana Now please make it work with the OC text editor?
<Z0idberg>
@Wattana Now please make it work with the OC text editor?L520[23:24:20] <Z0idberg>
with line highlighting
<Z0idberg>
with line highlightingL521[23:24:35] <Wattana>
openos editor is so barebone idk how to extend it
<Wattana>
openos editor is so barebone idk how to extend itL522[23:24:50] <Wattana>
and idk how to render text efficiently for an editor
<Wattana>
and idk how to render text efficiently for an editorL523[23:24:52] <Z0idberg>
you're probably going to need some sort of profiler script to
generate debugging symbols
<Z0idberg>
you're probably going to need some sort of profiler script to
generate debugging symbolsL524[23:25:05] <Z0idberg>
uh
<Z0idberg>
uhL525[23:25:09] <Z0idberg>
well you could fork the editor
<Z0idberg>
well you could fork the editorL526[23:28:07] <Ocawesome101> >Wattana: and idk how to
render text efficiently for a…
<Ocawesome101> >Wattana: and idk how to
render text efficiently for a…L527[23:28:07] <Ocawesome101> - when a character changes,
only update the lines you need to update (usually just the current
line)
<Ocawesome101> - when a character changes,
only update the lines you need to update (usually just the current
line)L528[23:28:08] <Ocawesome101> - scroll with `gpu.copy`
and only redraw the line that scrolled into view, rather than
redrawing all the lines
<Ocawesome101> - scroll with `gpu.copy`
and only redraw the line that scrolled into view, rather than
redrawing all the linesL529[23:28:17] <Ocawesome101> these things are
particularly important if you're doing syntax highlighting
<Ocawesome101> these things are
particularly important if you're doing syntax highlightingL530[23:28:28] <Ocawesome101> doing the equivalent in my
VT100-based syntax highlighting editor made it much more usable on
ULOS
<Ocawesome101> doing the equivalent in my
VT100-based syntax highlighting editor made it much more usable on
ULOSL531[23:32:28] ⇦
Quits: Vexatos (~Vexatos@port-92-192-6-121.dynamic.as20676.net)
(Quit: Insert quantum chemistry joke here)
L532[23:55:50] <Ocawesome101> ugh
<Ocawesome101> ughL533[23:56:02] <Ocawesome101> i'm trying to download
quake from the internet archive and it's slow
<Ocawesome101> i'm trying to download
quake from the internet archive and it's slow