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L5[00:49:42] <Amanda> %choose now laptop nap time?
L6[00:49:43] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: I don't think I've heard of "now laptop nap time", so probably not.
L7[00:50:06] <Amanda> after the rain box, if I don't come up with something else to do, I guess.
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L9[00:56:19] <Brisingr​Aerowing> Someone on another Discord found a rather horrifying mod.
L10[00:56:21] <Brisingr​Aerowing> https://minecraft-kidnap-mod.fandom.com/wiki/Hub
L11[00:56:39] <Brisingr​Aerowing> A Kidnapping mod with bondage gear.
L12[00:57:59] <Ne​uro> you know, just because you find something horrifying, doesn't mean you have to force others to look at it as well
L13[00:59:14] <Izaya> consider also: it must've been made because there was some demand for it
L14[01:00:24] <Ne​uro> well yeah this is blatant kidnapping/bondage fetish stuff (plus some others looking thru the wiki)
L15[01:00:52] <Izaya> minecraft is a slightly odd place for it though I have to say
L16[01:00:59] <Izaya> normally this sort of stuff ends up in skyrim
L17[01:01:11] <Ne​uro> lmao yeah
L18[01:01:14] <Ne​uro> skyrim or fallout
L19[01:01:29] <Ne​uro> this seems to lean more into the multiplayer aspect tho
L20[01:01:37] <Ne​uro> neither skyrim or fallout can really offer that
L21[01:01:45] <Izaya> yeah which is something bethesda games lack
L22[01:03:18] <Izaya> lockdown brain, perhaps
L23[01:03:54] <Ne​uro> idk I see no indication this is particularly new
L24[01:04:03] <Ne​uro> let me try find something to date it
L25[01:04:15] <Ne​uro> yeah its for 1.12.2
L26[01:04:20] <Ne​uro> its probably not that new
L27[01:04:42] <Izaya> Minecraft 1.7.10 is 7 years, 4 months, and 23 days old today.
L28[01:05:21] <Ne​uro> ah no
L29[01:05:24] <Ne​uro> lockdown brain it is lol
L30[01:05:37] <Ne​uro> https://tinyurl.com/yjae6cxd
L31[01:05:43] <Ne​uro> uhh, idk if images go over the irc bridge
L32[01:06:19] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/xmpp/upload/-ch6NYbkXHyNJLp3/2021-11-19T12:05:36-561x93.png
L33[01:06:31] <Ne​uro> hm, interesting
L34[01:07:17] <Mic​hiyo> Yeah, I TinyURL them because Discord's embed urls are long
L35[01:07:45] <Ne​uro> yeah I can get that lol
L36[01:07:46] <Mic​hiyo> 88 characters for an image
L37[01:08:04] <Mic​hiyo> Izaya's is the same though.. lol
L38[01:08:06] <Ne​uro> altho couldn't you just have it as an embedded link with a shorter text clickbox?
L39[01:08:15] <Mic​hiyo> Not on IRC
L40[01:08:16] <Mic​hiyo> no
L41[01:08:18] <Ne​uro> I guess the software doesnt allow for that
L42[01:08:20] <Ne​uro> yeah
L43[01:08:54] <Izaya> I added Discord's URLs to ublock to kill off all the stupid embeds in pages so I have to click like three things to see images from discord though lmao
L44[01:09:08] <Ne​uro> lol
L45[01:09:10] <Izaya> because I also have tinyurl set up to show me the URL
L46[01:09:33] <Ne​uro> do you mean like, when pages have discord server embeds?
L47[01:09:37] <Izaya> yeah
L48[01:09:49] <Ne​uro> I am surprised you couldnt find a more specific thing to block for that
L49[01:10:08] <Ne​uro> than blocking the entire discord website and cdn
L50[01:10:10] <Izaya> Michiyo: I really should switch to an external file server for prosody but I'm lazy and the internal one works fine for my like, 4 users
L51[01:10:35] <Izaya> Neuro: maybe, but I don't want to think about discord any more than I need to tbh
L52[01:10:44] <Ne​uro> lol
L53[01:10:45] <Ne​uro> ok
L54[01:10:45] <Ne​uro> fair
L55[01:10:50] <Izaya> I'm okay with this
L56[01:11:16] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/xmpp/upload/bpryaIro2rAlHGFP/2021-11-19T12:10:27-1048x1658.png
L57[01:12:18] <Izaya> on one hand I'd love to have pleroma and prosody upload to the same thing
L58[01:12:45] <Izaya> on the other, images posted to AP should never expire but I like my XMPP stuff to expire in two weeks
L59[01:12:58] <Mic​hiyo> you could likely whitelist `cdn.discordapp.com/attachments` and still block everything else
L60[01:13:43] <Ne​uro> yeah dont see why that wouldnt work
L61[01:14:32] <Izaya> on a related note
L62[01:14:37] <Izaya> did you know that discord doesn't have an ASN?
L63[01:14:44] ⇦ Parts: lunar_sam (d83d0855c1@2a00:c70:1:178:170:40:189:1) (Error from remote client))
L64[01:15:27] <Izaya> doesn't have its own block of IP addresses, just uses whatever their ... dedi hosts, I presume? provide
L65[01:15:42] <Mic​hiyo> I mean, I don't have an ASN either
L66[01:15:44] <Ne​uro> is that that surprising?
L67[01:15:50] <Izaya> they're big company
L68[01:16:07] <Ne​uro> sure but they grew from being small
L69[01:16:14] <Izaya> Michiyo: neither do I but I'm an individual
L70[01:16:34] <Izaya> Neuro: it's just surprising, y'know
L71[01:16:37] <Ne​uro> probably dont want or feel the need to make a big switch as opposed to just scaling up whoever they pay for hosting
L72[01:16:44] <Amanda> Nobody tell Inari about that bondage/kitnapping mod, or well all have to be worried any random 8x8px image she links will just be a reference to it
L73[01:17:17] <Izaya> I imagine they'll get one eventually it's just surprising given they've killed off basically all their competition that they don't have one y'know
L74[01:17:48] <Mic​hiyo> I wonder, will this relay to IRC...
L75[01:17:49] <1.1​.1.1>
L76[01:18:11] <Ne​uro> cloudflare, what a surprise
L77[01:18:19] <Mic​hiyo> IRC LOGS SAY..... not... not really
L78[01:18:23] <Amanda> Will what relay to irc? /S
L79[01:18:26] <Mic​hiyo> because I don't relay embeds properly
L80[01:18:38] <Izaya> (it's also particularly inconvenient to me because that means I can't just block their entire IP range at the firewall level on my server, but whatever, I worked something out.)
L81[01:18:44] <Ne​uro> I remember when cloudflare went down . . idk, year ago?
L82[01:18:56] <Izaya> I remember hearing about cloudflare going down, that was funny
L83[01:18:56] <1.1​.1.1>
L84[01:18:59] <Ne​uro> was hilarious watching everything drop
L85[01:19:05] <Mic​hiyo> I mean, I just used the example from the bot page
L86[01:19:10] <Mic​hiyo> it works for anything
L87[01:19:15] <Ne​uro> we were running incursions in EVE, half the fleet dropped out randomly
L88[01:19:23] <Ne​uro> (very dangerous, for obvious reasons)
L89[01:19:32] <Ne​uro> but the teamspeak stayed up
L90[01:19:41] <Ne​uro> since it was literally just a bare ip teamspeak some dude had in his basement
L91[01:19:42] <Amanda> Google went partially down just earlier this week, taking down Spotify and others
L92[01:19:45] <Izaya> I didn't notice because I run all my own services rather than paying for MITM-as-a-service
L93[01:19:53] <Izaya> only heard about it afterwards
L94[01:20:01] <Mic​hiyo> https://irclogs.pc-logix.com/view?chan=oc&log=2021-11-19.log#L75 <1.1.1.1> *NOTHING FOLLOWS*
L95[01:20:14] <Mic​hiyo> Speaking of NOTHING FOLLOWS.. I need to catch up on that story
L96[01:20:24] <Ne​uro> I mean you still would have noticed if you'd tried to use a lot of various sites
L97[01:20:28] <Ne​uro> /services
L98[01:20:35] <Izaya> I try to avoid using a web browser
L99[01:20:51] <Ne​uro> 🤷‍♂️ ydy
L100[01:21:20] <Mic​hiyo> Don't mind Izaya, he's an internet user, that hates the internet.
L101[01:21:21] <Mic​hiyo> <3
L102[01:21:33] <Ne​uro> oh I know the type well enough
L103[01:21:48] <Izaya> don't worry soon enough I'll snap and go build a cabin in the woods like uncle ted
L104[01:22:02] <Amanda> What do you have in your fedi bio, izaya? "Low-key freetard" or similar
L105[01:22:08] <Ne​uro> probably one of the most interesting things about IRC's death are the (relatively) few people who still use it
L106[01:22:15] <Amanda> Borderline?
L107[01:22:17] <Mic​hiyo> who back up there.
L108[01:22:18] <Mic​hiyo> Death?
L109[01:22:23] <Mic​hiyo> IRC?
L110[01:22:27] <Mic​hiyo> lul.
L111[01:22:29] <Izaya> IRC will outlast the universe
L112[01:22:35] <Ne​uro> 🤔
L113[01:22:49] <Amanda> Have you ever played E:D, @Neuro?
L114[01:22:55] <Ne​uro> >Michiyo: Death?
L115[01:22:56] <Ne​uro> put death in air quotes if you want
L116[01:23:00] <Ne​uro> >Amanda: Have you ever played E:D, <@321985179…
L117[01:23:01] <Ne​uro> elite dangerous???
L118[01:23:06] <Ne​uro> something else?
L119[01:23:12] <Amanda> Yes, specifically the mmo
L120[01:23:19] <Ne​uro> I have actually FWIW
L121[01:23:24] <Ne​uro> any reason you ask?
L122[01:23:32] <Izaya> Neuro: here are all the services I use, excluding like, espernet: https://social.shadowkat.net/xmpp/upload/AhUhX6lYMjCIiJ_x/rack.jpg
L123[01:23:32] <Amanda> Grays, youve used irc
L124[01:23:49] <Ne​uro> >Izaya: Neuro: here are all the services I us…
L125[01:23:50] <Ne​uro> I like the grain. extra touch
L126[01:23:50] <Amanda> Local chat speaks irc to a highly specialized server
L127[01:23:59] <Izaya> the pinephone camera is not good in low-light situations
L128[01:24:00] <Ne​uro> >Amanda: Grays, youve used irc
L129[01:24:01] <Ne​uro> I mean, I've also used IRC the more "standard" way
L130[01:24:03] <Amanda> Gratz not grays
L131[01:24:04] <Ne​uro> mostly more when I was younger
L132[01:24:13] <Ne​uro> I've never claimed to have never used IRC lol
L133[01:24:28] <Mic​hiyo> My plan with the MMO I Was working on was IRC for the chat backend. I eventually decided on XMPP
L134[01:24:46] <Mic​hiyo> Then it died.
L135[01:24:51] <Mic​hiyo> the game dev that is, not XMPP
L136[01:24:58] <Amanda> Irc will never die, even if it's just a few nerds in their basement, the protocol is simple enough that it's appealing to any company with enough common sense to avoid nih
L137[01:25:04] <Ne​uro> I was more pointing out the eccentricities of the type of people who remain on irc
L138[01:25:15] <Ne​uro> making mmos is hard, go figure
L139[01:25:18] <Ne​uro> what was it called?
L140[01:25:31] <Amanda> Twitch chat bots all use irc
L141[01:25:50] <Mic​hiyo> Well, we stopped working on it because the game we were rebuilding had a source leak and private servers became a thing overnight
L142[01:25:51] <Ne​uro> Amanda: have you ever played elite dangerous?
L143[01:26:20] <Mic​hiyo> Sooo suddenly the little rebuild we were working on was kinda redundant, other than the nice engine upgrade
L144[01:26:23] <Izaya> Neuro: do you smoke?
L145[01:26:25] <Ne​uro> not because im trying to make some meta point about irc just curious
L146[01:26:33] <Ne​uro> smoke what 😛
L147[01:26:44] <Amanda> Yes. I assume I'm in some random star cluster wherever @forecasters frigate is parked
L148[01:26:46] <Izaya> doesn't really matter
L149[01:27:03] <Ne​uro> well the answer is no to all possible outcomes
L150[01:27:08] <Amanda> Unless he ejected me, if that's even possible
L151[01:27:09] <Izaya> was going to draw a comparison between IRC users and the sort of characters you find in Designated Smoking Spots
L152[01:27:15] <Mic​hiyo> Amanda, same.. lmao
L153[01:27:20] <Ne​uro> haha, I still get that regardless lol
L154[01:27:30] <Ne​uro> elite was fun for a bit, but not rly gripping
L155[01:27:31] <Ne​uro> idk
L156[01:27:33] <Izaya> I don't smoke but I tend to gravitate to such places because the people are more interesting
L157[01:27:37] <Ne​uro> I got a maxed explo ship and explored for a bit
L158[01:27:41] <Ne​uro> its ok for a while but like
L159[01:27:48] <Ne​uro> the routing is so fucking bad holy shit
L160[01:27:52] <Ne​uro> actually abysmal
L161[01:28:10] <Ne​uro> makes it so hard to do like anything
L162[01:28:18] <Ne​uro> and its terrible at including neutron stars even with the setting
L163[01:28:40] <Izaya> https://outerheaven.club/media/98a06ab6-ccbe-4b46-9ed9-2301caff14d0/6HID09CO9Qc.jpg
L164[01:28:49] <Ne​uro> literally adding a simple bridge from the spansh neutron highway planner to the ingame route would be like, a top 5 gameplay change they could make
L165[01:28:54] <Ne​uro> >Izaya: https://outerheaven.club/media/98a06a���
L166[01:28:54] <Ne​uro> uh, cool
L167[01:29:07] <Ne​uro> as it is you have to tab back and forth endlessly copying shit around
L168[01:29:08] <Ne​uro> no thanks
L169[01:29:27] <Izaya> I made it to Colonia once!
L170[01:29:29] <Izaya> in a Dolphin
L171[01:29:40] <Ne​uro> they could also go well . . anyehwere with the whole guardian/thargoid stuff
L172[01:29:41] <Ne​uro> but hey
L173[01:29:56] <Ne​uro> dolphin isnt too bad tbh
L174[01:30:05] <Izaya> The Dolphin is great
L175[01:30:11] <Izaya> surprisingly good exploration ship on the cheap
L176[01:30:20] <Ne​uro> but i only have one true love
L177[01:30:24] <Ne​uro> diamondback explorer
L178[01:30:26] <Ne​uro> for me: perfect
L179[01:30:29] <Izaya> the Krait MkII and Mamba are where it's at though
L180[01:30:32] * Izaya burns
L181[01:30:41] <Ne​uro> mamba looks sexy but is shit
L182[01:30:49] <Izaya> it's an objectively worse FDL
L183[01:30:52] <Izaya> but I enjoy it
L184[01:30:55] <Ne​uro> pretty much yeah
L185[01:30:58] <Ne​uro> krait II is OK
L186[01:31:03] <Ne​uro> diamondback is king tho
L187[01:31:17] <Ne​uro> I am pretty sure it is still the best explo ship overall
L188[01:31:28] <Ne​uro> anaconda is the only other contender and it does have a slightly further max range
L189[01:31:32] <Ne​uro> but it has some decent drawbacks
L190[01:31:35] <Izaya> anaconda is $$$
L191[01:31:37] <Ne​uro> most notably its slow as all hell
L192[01:31:45] <Izaya> krait is for everything but combat, mamba for combat, for me
L193[01:31:48] <Ne​uro> yeah price too altho im thinking more "in a vacuum" type stuff
L194[01:31:59] <Ne​uro> im also talking as, well, an explorer
L195[01:32:02] <Ne​uro> almost never did combat
L196[01:32:11] <Ne​uro> well, I did a bit and decided it wasnt good
L197[01:32:13] <Ne​uro> cause its not
L198[01:32:22] <Ne​uro> just constantly turning a lot
L199[01:32:43] <Izaya> the mamba may be worse than the FDL but like, it may not be the PVP meta but it's fine for PVE
L200[01:32:56] <Ne​uro> 🎵 "turn turn turn your ship
L201[01:32:57] <Ne​uro> fucking endlessly" 🎵
L202[01:33:04] <Ne​uro> 🎵 *"turn turn turn your ship*
L203[01:33:05] <Ne​uro> *fucking endlessly"* 🎵 [Edited]
L204[01:33:07] <Izaya> t. hasn't actually played in like four years because the steam controller doesn't work properly with E:D under Proton
L205[01:33:27] <Ne​uro> rly? I thought valve were solid at supporting linux
L206[01:33:28] <Ne​uro> unfortunate
L207[01:33:35] <Izaya> no it's an E:D thing
L208[01:33:37] <Izaya> it works fine in other games
L209[01:33:50] <Ne​uro> hm, wonder what they have setup differently that breaks it
L210[01:33:52] <Izaya> E:D just doesn't like Steam Input and the Steam Controller under Proton
L211[01:33:54] <Ne​uro> well either way, unfrortunate
L212[01:34:00] <Ne​uro> altho I don't think you've missed a ton lol
L213[01:34:09] <Ne​uro> you can walk on planets now and do . . not much
L214[01:34:11] <Izaya> but given that's a pretty tall stack already I don't blame them that much for it
L215[01:34:13] <Amanda> %choose laptop nap time and & waves; em or pressure
L216[01:34:14] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: pressure laptop nap time and & waves
L217[01:34:15] <Izaya> I can't walk on planets :D
L218[01:34:18] <Amanda> bah
L219[01:34:38] <Ne​uro> >Izaya: I can't walk on planets :D
L220[01:34:39] <Ne​uro> oh yeah you need to buy it too
L221[01:34:43] <Ne​uro> theres also the capital ships
L222[01:34:45] <Izaya> it was undercooked when it came out and it hasn't been on sale for low enough yet
L223[01:34:45] <Amanda> Well, at least she still answered it
L224[01:34:49] <Ne​uro> they are ok ideas made bad
L225[01:34:51] <Amanda> pressure waves and veg out it is
L226[01:34:59] <Ne​uro> >Izaya: it was undercooked when it came out a…
L227[01:35:00] <Ne​uro> hugely yeah
L228[01:35:03] <Ne​uro> wtf even is there
L229[01:35:04] <Izaya> FCs kinda suck
L230[01:35:10] <Izaya> they were the Hot New Thing when I last played and like
L231[01:35:12] <Ne​uro> altho I suppose that goes into the more meta question of wtf is there in general
L232[01:35:14] <Ne​uro> answer: not much
L233[01:35:30] <Izaya> I don't want to spend like 40 hours making money to support a thing that uhhhh
L234[01:35:33] <Ne​uro> all the interesting FC stuff was already done by Cannon is the thing
L235[01:35:34] <Izaya> why do I want a fleet carrier again
L236[01:35:44] <Amanda> Apparently I last played in july 2020
L237[01:35:44] <Ne​uro> they already warped to all the interesting spaces etc
L238[01:35:57] <Amanda> so Forecaster has been dragging me around for more than a year.
L239[01:36:11] <Ne​uro> just logged off in their ship? lol
L240[01:36:15] <Ne​uro> but yeah, if I want space games
L241[01:36:16] <Ne​uro> EVE is it
L242[01:36:25] <Izaya> I should play some EVE again
L243[01:36:35] <Amanda> Ah, the spreadsheet space game
L244[01:36:36] <Izaya> got an IRL friend that plays
L245[01:36:41] <Ne​uro> eve is good altho eve is also fucky with linux
L246[01:36:48] <Ne​uro> so ymmv and all that
L247[01:36:50] <Izaya> apparently it can work though
L248[01:37:07] <Ne​uro> it can but any brief glance at the linux section of the forums paints a bleak picture lol
L249[01:37:48] <Izaya> look at the upside though
L250[01:37:54] <Izaya> they have a linux section on their forums
L251[01:37:57] <Ne​uro> I mean, as with anything on linux, try hard enough and it will probably eventually work
L252[01:38:06] <Izaya> they're not actively hostile
L253[01:38:07] <Ne​uro> but you might have to try
L254[01:38:12] <Ne​uro> yeah they used to support it
L255[01:38:14] <Ne​uro> for a small period
L256[01:38:23] <Ne​uro> and unofficially 2-3 devs have been quite consistently making wine bundles
L257[01:38:24] <Ne​uro> for it
L258[01:38:42] <Ne​uro> unfortunately they dont seem to be keeping pace with how much stuff is changing under the hood, like, all the time
L259[01:38:54] <Ne​uro> EVE has been doing some seriously fucky tech stuff over recent years
L260[01:39:00] <Ne​uro> including a version you can now play in your browser
L261[01:39:26] <Ne​uro> (not like a spinoff game or restricted management interface or whatever, it's just eve online. in a browser window. somehow. Magic)
L262[01:39:28] <Kristo​pher38> Yay for webassembly, probably
L263[01:39:33] <Amanda> And then there's the time their installer nuked C:/ when you had it installed anywhere elese
L264[01:39:34] <Kristo​pher38> Pepemood
L265[01:39:34] <Izaya> got another friend that wants me to play ESO with them
L266[01:39:39] <Izaya> which also nominally works on linux
L267[01:39:49] <Ne​uro> >Amanda: And then there's the time their insta…
L268[01:39:49] <Ne​uro> nuked windows you mean
L269[01:39:51] <Ne​uro> that was hilarious
L270[01:40:06] <Ne​uro> honestly wasnt so bad but a bit funny
L271[01:40:21] <Ne​uro> >Kristopher38: Yay for webassembly, probably
L272[01:40:21] <Ne​uro> i have no clue what they did to make it work lol
L273[01:40:26] <Izaya> but like an MMO usually involves interacting with people
L274[01:40:30] <Izaya> and people usually want to use discord
L275[01:40:31] <Ne​uro> https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/eve-anywhere-enters-beta
L276[01:40:33] <Izaya> and that's a hard no from me
L277[01:40:42] <Ne​uro> just offer to install an irc bridge
L278[01:41:09] <Ne​uro> I mean it's not hard and comes with minimal downsides
L279[01:41:27] <Ne​uro> so im sure a lot of groups wont mind
L280[01:41:50] <Izaya> doesn't that require like having a discord account to set up a bot account and shit
L281[01:41:59] <Izaya> plus then what would I do about voice chat
L282[01:42:06] <Ne​uro> uhhhh
L283[01:42:14] <Ne​uro> discord voice bridge bot?
L284[01:42:16] <Ne​uro> idk lol
L285[01:42:41] <Ne​uro> >Izaya: doesn't that require like having a di…
L286[01:42:41] <Ne​uro> well you could guide server owner thru doing it or something
L287[01:42:54] <Kristo​pher38> Well if they're only dependent on stuff that works with wasm or can be compiled to wasm it should be very well possible to compile it to run in browser
L288[01:43:09] <Izaya> games where I run my own servers are a lot less work and don't require compromising my principles
L289[01:43:17] <Ne​uro> >Kristopher38: Well if they're only dependent on stu…
L290[01:43:17] <Ne​uro> im pretty sure wasm is like, not even half as old as eve
L291[01:43:21] <Ne​uro> is the minor problem
L292[01:43:34] <Ne​uro> so it seems unlikely it's that easy
L293[01:43:47] <Kristo​pher38> It's like another platform that you can target though
L294[01:44:05] <Kristo​pher38> You just need to port whatever doesn't work
L295[01:44:20] <Kristo​pher38> By just I mean punch it into submission until it works
L296[01:44:36] <Izaya> good way to find out what is and isn't portable, eh?
L297[01:44:55] <Kristo​pher38> Lol thats true
L298[01:45:13] <Ne​uro> they probably wrote a whole new language client for it
L299[01:45:16] <Ne​uro> wouldnt be super surprised
L300[01:45:17] <Kristo​pher38> My gold standard of portability is Lua
L301[01:45:26] <Ne​uro> I don't actually know what the windows client is written in
L302[01:45:33] <Izaya> I imagine it'd be C++ or similar
L303[01:45:43] <Ne​uro> probably but you never know with eve
L304[01:45:47] <Ne​uro> because eve is eve and ancient
L305[01:46:06] <Izaya> speaking of space games
L306[01:46:16] <Izaya> goddamn it paradox why are you like this
L307[01:46:21] * Izaya throws $10 at them again
L308[01:46:21] <Amanda> C++ is ancienter
L309[01:46:26] <Ne​uro> I know their backend is all stackless python and has been since the beginning
L310[01:46:32] <Izaya> what.
L311[01:46:40] <Ne​uro> but thats not relevant to a new platform, not for MMOs at least
L312[01:46:55] <Ne​uro> >Amanda: C++ is ancienter
L313[01:46:55] <Ne​uro> true
L314[01:46:59] <Amanda> Izaya: Aquatics pack?
L315[01:47:01] <Izaya> yup
L316[01:47:08] <Kristo​pher38> is there a register based python VM out there?
L317[01:47:37] <Amanda> I assume Neuro means they didn't use Django, Flask, etc
L318[01:48:00] <Ne​uro> no I mean they use stackless python
L319[01:48:11] <Ne​uro> its its own specific interpreter
L320[01:48:29] <Ne​uro> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stackless_Python
L321[01:48:36] <Ne​uro> wikipedia page even notes its use in EVE online lol
L322[01:49:01] <Kristo​pher38> >avoids depending on the C stack but uses the C stack
L323[01:49:08] <Kristo​pher38> Cool cool
L324[01:49:15] <Ne​uro> yeah uh, dont think too much about that
L325[01:49:18] <Ne​uro> but point is, microthreads
L326[01:49:24] <Ne​uro> eve lives on microthreadsa
L327[01:49:26] <Ne​uro> eve lives on microthreads [Edited]
L328[01:50:08] <Ne​uro> python has sort of added somewhat stackless like threads since then but obviously wasn't an option back in 2000
L329[01:50:21] <Ne​uro> (eve was developed in the period 1997-2001)
L330[01:50:55] <Ne​uro> but anyway as said thats the server
L331[01:50:58] <Ne​uro> not the client
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L333[02:47:00] <Mic​hiyo> https://tinyurl.com/yhvdfmmz
L334[02:47:05] <Mic​hiyo> AMOLED-Cord is nice...
L335[02:48:32] <Ne​uro> top server bar lol
L336[02:48:39] <Ne​uro> im guessing because side wouldnt hold enough servers
L337[02:48:51] <Mic​hiyo> I mean, it scrolls, but I prefer it on the top
L338[02:49:23] <Mic​hiyo> This is just the BetterDiscord addon with a couple of themes added
L339[02:49:28] <Ne​uro> well yeah but you wouldnt have to scroll
L340[02:50:08] <Mic​hiyo> If I expand all of my folders it would scroll even on the top
L341[02:50:12] <Corded> * <Mic​hiyo> shrug
L342[02:50:14] <Ne​uro> I dont like scrolling so I get it
L343[02:50:22] <Ne​uro> i use sidebar because it doesnt matter anyway because I am in
L344[02:50:24] <Ne​uro> counts
L345[02:50:29] <Ne​uro> six discords
L346[02:51:13] <Mic​hiyo> lol
L347[02:51:49] <Ne​uro> i like to keep it pruned
L348[02:53:21] <Ne​uro> https://tinyurl.com/yzb6ewxp
L349[02:54:38] <Mic​hiyo> I'm in WAY to many scenes to have that few servers sadly lol
L350[02:54:59] <Ne​uro> hm scenes as in the general term? or smthn more specific
L351[02:55:19] <Ne​uro> but yeah im an antisocial loner
L352[02:55:29] <Ne​uro> even in those discords I use 4 of them basically never
L353[02:55:45] <Ne​uro> seven discords [Edited]
L354[02:56:22] <Mic​hiyo> I run private servers for a few MMOs, so I'm in the various dev group servers. I've got servers for both of the discord APIs I use, servers for NON Private Server games I "play" a couple of Youtuber/Twitch streamers, authors whos stories I read.... Minecraft mods I follow.
L355[02:56:36] <Mic​hiyo> then my personal servers for other things, friends servers for other stuff..
L356[02:56:37] <Mic​hiyo> lol
L357[02:57:10] <Ne​uro> wow busy haha
L358[02:57:18] <Mic​hiyo> my... Alternate Acquisition servers I'm in for the Nintendo Switch
L359[02:57:32] <Ne​uro> let me look up what that is
L360[02:57:39] <Mic​hiyo> It's.. Piracy :P
L361[02:58:03] <Ne​uro> yeah I thought that might be it but could have been some game I didnt know about
L362[02:58:04] <Ne​uro> I mean
L363[02:58:08] <Ne​uro> i dont own a switch
L364[02:58:28] <Ne​uro> so i dont know the game library apart from the famous obvious ones
L365[02:58:33] <Mic​hiyo> I have one, my spouse has one, and my kids have one... and I'm looking to buy another one
L366[02:58:52] <Ne​uro> more sacrifices to the church of nintendo 🙂
L367[02:59:24] <Ne​uro> (great video if you haven't seen it. love it)
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L369[04:04:16] * Amanda downloads a car
L370[04:05:01] <Mic​hiyo> Same.
L371[04:07:31] <Ocawes​ome101> I’m in 33 discords
L372[04:08:17] <ThePi​Guy24> im in 100 and have been for over a year
L373[04:08:45] <Mic​hiyo> 65
L374[04:08:53] <ThePi​Guy24> need to keep leaving ones that i dont care about so i can join new ones
L375[04:14:39] <Amanda> I've got no idea how many I'm in, I've not launched it since maybe early oct
L376[04:15:06] * Amanda flops down around elfi, lays her head across Elfi's lap, zzzmews
L377[04:15:11] <Amanda> Night nerds
L378[04:16:31] <Mic​hiyo> Night
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L380[04:21:57] <luna​r_sam> i'm in too many
L381[04:23:15] <lunar_sam> ASN?
L382[04:24:20] <Mic​hiyo> https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/asn/
L383[04:24:58] <lunar_sam> ah
L384[04:25:00] <lunar_sam> BGP
L385[04:25:23] <lunar_sam> Izaya: what exactly do you plan to do with this info
L386[04:25:48] <Izaya> lunar_sam: drop all packets from or to
L387[04:26:00] <lunar_sam> lmao
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L391[06:02:49] <Va​ur> %tonk
L392[06:02:50] <MichiBot> Swell! Va​ur! You beat your own previous record of <0 (By 6 hours, 21 minutes and 19 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L393[06:02:51] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 6 hours, 21 minutes and 19 seconds! No points gained for stealing from yourself. (Lost out on 0.00636)
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L395[06:40:09] <Forec​aster> @Michiyo Amanda you cannot be ejected from a carrier
L396[06:41:00] <Forec​aster> Unless it's decommissioned and you don't exit before it's removed I think
L397[06:41:52] <Forec​aster> But then you'd just get the respawn prompt probably
L398[06:42:26] <Forec​aster> The carrier is currently parked next to my secret mining spot outside the bubble
L399[06:59:37] <Ash​irg> %sip
L400[06:59:38] <MichiBot> You drink a muddy nectar potion (New!). The potion contained a computer virus! It changed Ashirg's theme to one they don't like!
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L402[07:49:41] <Izaya> %tell Ariri https://fedi.absturztau.be/media/c655c1cc09500bde54db371585c58122eeffdb7a26979f8203a970887e452151.jpeg
L403[07:49:42] <MichiBot> Iz​aya: Ariri will be notified of this message when next seen.
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L410[08:07:04] <Va​ur> %sip
L411[08:07:05] <MichiBot> You drink a freezing strawberry potion (New!). Vaur gains some curse. Vaur has 1 curse.
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L413[08:13:44] <Ash​irg> %sip
L414[08:13:45] <MichiBot> You drink a simulated oculemon potion (New!). Ashirg turns into a redstone toad until someone baps them.
L415[08:13:59] <Ash​irg> Pain
L416[08:14:04] <Ash​irg> Suffering, even
L417[08:16:53] <Va​ur> %bap Ashirg
L418[08:16:54] <MichiBot> Vaur baps Ashirg with the Fox manifesto on the treatment of cookies!
L419[08:37:41] <Sagh​etti> i love chacha20
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L423[09:34:26] <Lizzy​-chan> wonderful for my server to just crap out about half hour ago
L424[09:35:16] <Ash​irg> >Vaur: %bap Ashirg
L425[09:35:17] <Ash​irg> Thank
L426[09:35:19] <MichiBot> Ashirg baps themselves with the entire east half of the observable universe!
L427[09:35:32] <Ash​irg> Dang it
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L435[10:21:11] <Forec​aster> hey I'm back!
L436[10:21:21] <Forec​aster> also I need to fix that reply issue
L437[10:44:24] <Forec​aster> %sip
L438[10:44:25] <MichiBot> You drink a salty emerald potion (New!). Forecaster's favourite hair suddenly disintegrates.
L439[10:44:29] <Forec​aster> aw
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L442[11:20:41] <Va​ur> %sip
L443[11:20:42] <MichiBot> You drink a woolly tuna potion (New!). When Vaur drinks the last drop, a bucket of water materializes above their head and dumps its contents over them. Vaur avoids the bucket and it's content! (11 vs DC 8)
L444[11:20:42] <Ash​irg> %sip
L445[11:20:43] <MichiBot> You drink a warpy ruby potion (New!). Ashirg's favourite hat suddenly disintegrates.
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L447[13:00:08] <Ne​uro> plin plin plon
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L450[13:08:24] <Ash​irg> %sip
L451[13:08:25] <MichiBot> You drink a dull aegisalt potion (New!). Ashirg turns into a violet fairy girl until they have A Solarium potion.
L452[13:08:37] <Ash​irg> Major confusion
L453[13:08:46] <Va​ur> %sip
L454[13:08:46] <MichiBot> You drink a basic void potion (New!). Vaur's favourite skin is suddenly on fire.
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L476[13:39:24] <Ne​uro> and there goes another
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L497[13:48:59] <Ash​irg> And a larger one this time
L498[13:49:01] <Ash​irg> %sip
L499[13:49:02] <MichiBot> You drink a simulated violium potion (New!). The bottle turns into a currentcorn dagger.
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L501[15:05:01] <Forec​aster> now Elfi has another friend
L502[15:05:17] <Elfi> Friend? :o
L503[15:05:24] <Elfi> Ohhhh
L504[15:05:30] <Elfi> Fairy friend \o/
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L513[15:40:52] <Ash​irg> Le shy blush
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L516[16:54:23] <JP​S91> I want to get some stuff form a chest that is in front of it. I think i dont understand the oc doc 🤷‍♂️ https://tinyurl.com/yff6nqf6
L517[16:55:01] <Ocawes​ome101> `component.inventorycontroller`, not `robot.inventorycontroller` i think
L518[16:55:17] <JP​S91> ahh right
L519[16:56:51] <Forec​aster> tab is your friend
L520[16:57:08] <lunar_sam> woohoo
L521[16:57:13] <lunar_sam> guess what i get to write
L522[16:57:17] <lunar_sam> `microassembly`
L523[17:13:35] <Forec​aster> by choice?
L524[17:23:36] <lunar_sam> yes/no
L525[17:23:45] <lunar_sam> yes because it's involved with a project i chose to start
L526[17:23:55] <lunar_sam> no because it's basically required for some of the things i want to do
L527[17:23:59] <lunar_sam> (thanks sony)
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L529[17:41:27] <Ne​uro> my brain is slowly melting
L530[17:41:32] <Ne​uro> this system is too complex for my own good
L531[17:45:26] <JP​S91> why is this working: Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/amuvegetet
L532[17:46:10] <Ne​uro> do you mean the misspelling?
L533[17:46:12] <Ne​uro> or something else
L534[17:46:41] <Forec​aster> probably because `flase` is nil
L535[17:46:44] <Forec​aster> or something
L536[17:47:10] <Ne​uro> yeah normally youd expect unknowns to evaluate positive
L537[17:47:16] <Ne​uro> but I guess if its an uninitialized variable?
L538[17:47:25] <Ne​uro> but I guess if its an uninitialized variable? (or rather is treated as one) [Edited]
L539[17:47:47] <Ne​uro> yes it is that, almost certainly
L540[17:51:15] <JP​S91> >Neuro: do you mean the misspelling?
L541[17:51:15] <JP​S91> right
L542[17:51:39] <Ne​uro> yeah so lua considers everything true except "false" and nil, apparently
L543[17:51:44] <JP​S91> >Forecaster: probably because `flase` is nil
L544[17:51:44] <JP​S91> ahh that is why false it not working
L545[17:51:55] <Ne​uro> uninitialized variables are also nil
L546[17:52:08] <Ne​uro> flase is recognized as a variable and is also uninitialized because you havent called it before and set it to anything
L547[17:52:16] <Ne​uro> so it evaluates to false
L548[17:59:05] <Forec​aster> the robot api methods don't return false
L549[17:59:10] <Forec​aster> they return true or nil
L550[18:00:11] <Forec​aster> false doesn't work because false is not equal to nil
L551[18:00:49] <Ne​uro> I thought conditionals accepted either tho
L552[18:01:03] <Ne​uro> ah but he's doing ==, not if X
L553[18:01:04] <Ne​uro> so yeah
L554[18:02:42] <Forec​aster> `rb.down() ~= true` would work
L555[18:03:30] <Forec​aster> `rb.down() ~= true` would also work [Edited]
L556[18:12:02] <Ne​uro> I love when working on something causes you to make something entirely incomprehensible to anyone but you https://tinyurl.com/yzxku7yu
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L558[18:29:58] <Mic​hiyo> The tiniest net split... on our side, on their side the entire network just went poof
L559[18:30:10] <Ne​uro> ?
L560[18:30:27] <Va​ur> %tonkout
L561[18:30:28] <MichiBot> By my throth! Va​ur! You beat your own previous record of 6 hours, 21 minutes and 19 seconds (By 6 hours, 6 minutes and 18 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L562[18:30:29] <MichiBot> Va​ur has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.012 tonk points! plus 0.022 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 4.25888264, Position #1
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L568[18:57:49] <Amanda> Elfi~ How's it only 1400, it feels so much later
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L572[19:22:20] <Mic​hiyo> Dude it's 11L22 and I feel like I should have been in bed 6 hours ago.... I'm usually up til 2AM lol
L573[19:22:28] <Mic​hiyo> Dude it's 11:22 AM and I feel like I should have been in bed 6 hours ago.... I'm usually up til 2AM lol [Edited]
L574[19:24:04] <Forec​aster> %sip
L575[19:24:04] <MichiBot> You drink a fiery pearlpeas potion (New!). Forecaster turns into a dryad until someone stops looking at them.
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L577[19:26:28] <MeLlamoGamer> hi
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L579[19:27:01] <Mic​hiyo> Bye
L580[19:27:03] <Forec​aster> aw, I was just about to `yeshi`
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L582[19:29:01] <Elfi> Idk, time doesn't have much meaning to me rn
L583[19:29:14] <Mic​hiyo> Welcome back.
L584[19:29:15] <Elfi> I just wanna curl up and sleep the day away
L585[19:29:18] <MeLlamoGamer> hola como estan, me encanta este mod
L586[19:29:26] <Mic​hiyo> Protip, 30 seconds is not very long in the world of IRC.
L587[19:29:31] <Mic​hiyo> also, English please.
L588[19:29:41] <MeLlamoGamer> xD
L589[19:30:12] <Elfi> I should get my meds though, bluh, too cold to
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L591[19:30:34] * Amanda snuggles up around Elfi, beams a fairy-sized glass of water and Elfi's drugs next to her
L592[19:30:57] * Elfi takes her meds and burrows into fluff
L593[19:37:41] <Ne​uro> aaah
L594[19:37:43] <Ne​uro> and it's done
L595[19:37:44] <Ne​uro> finally
L596[19:37:45] <Ne​uro> feels good
L597[19:38:03] <Ne​uro> next is the queue cache infrastructure
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L688[20:12:47] <Forec​aster> %sip
L689[20:12:49] <MichiBot> You drink a muddy water potion (New!). A bard starts playing a lute behind Forecaster until someone stabs them.
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L691[20:13:13] <Forec​aster> %stab bard branch
L692[20:13:14] <MichiBot> Forec​aster is trying to stab bard! They have 1 minute if they want to attempt to %defend against it!
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L695[20:13:22] <Forec​aster> oh right
L696[20:13:24] <Forec​aster> shoot
L697[20:16:14] <Ash​irg> %pat elfi
L698[20:16:22] <Ash​irg> %pet elfi
L699[20:16:23] <MichiBot> Ashirg is brushing elfi with responsibility pudding. elfi regains 1d4 => 1 hit points! Responsibility pudding was shiny enough to be claimed by a dragon.
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L702[21:03:13] <Amanda> %choose lxc on the pie?
L703[21:03:13] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Why would you do that when you could do something else instead?
L704[21:03:21] <Amanda> hrm
L705[21:03:39] <Amanda> probably for the best. I need to make the pi spam a magic packet every so often still though
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L708[21:30:35] <Amanda> %choose test now or wait
L709[21:30:35] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: I tried reading my tea leaves this morning. There was something about death and doom. Anyway, go with "wait"
L710[21:48:25] <Forec​aster> https://phys.org/news/2021-11-cats-track-owner-movements.html
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L712[22:17:02] <deeznutz> howdy lmao
L713[22:17:23] <deeznutz> anyone out there ?
L714[22:17:28] <deeznutz> helloooooooooooooow?
L715[22:18:11] <Mic​hiyo> %yeshi
L716[22:18:12] <MichiBot> Hi, welcome to the opencomputers IRC channel. If you just connected from minecraft, yes this is a real chat. There are people here, but dont expect people to engage with someone who just says "hi" or similar, were (usually) pretty busy.
L717[22:18:54] <deeznutz> ah, mk. sorry for being a troll then lol
L718[22:19:20] <deeznutz> here i thought it wouldnt be opnecomputers specifically for some reason
L719[22:19:27] <deeznutz> that was pretty silly of me now wasnt it
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L721[22:19:36] <Mic​hiyo> This channel is specifically OC, you can join other chan...
L722[22:19:38] <Mic​hiyo> and they're gone
L723[22:19:49] <lunar_sam> where did they come from
L724[22:19:51] <lunar_sam> where did they go
L725[22:27:57] <Ne​uro> minecraft im guessing
L726[22:32:27] <Te​ris> I believe that lunar_sam is instead making a reference to a song
L727[22:33:19] <Z0id​berg> Booooo
L728[22:33:34] <Amanda> %choose 192.168.0.0/16 or 10.0.0.0/8
L729[22:33:34] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: A wizard is never late, and sometimes engages in some "192.168.0.0/16".
L730[22:33:43] <Amanda> hrm
L731[22:33:47] <Z0id​berg> I'm smelling an exhaust leak whenever my turbos kick in now :(
L732[22:34:03] <Amanda> so if Iswitch my lan to use 10.0.0.0/8 instead, i can delay the wizards?
L733[22:34:18] <dequbed> Amanda: Why not 127.0.0.0/8? :P
L734[22:34:37] <Z0id​berg> Everytime I accelerate hard the entire car reeks of sulfur
L735[22:36:05] <Z0id​berg> No you want 8.8.0.0/16
L736[22:38:27] <Z0id​berg> Amanda: my girlfriend's favorite number is 13 so my lan is 10.208/12 which 208 is 13 << 4 and our regular non guest lan is 10.208.13.0/27
L737[22:40:07] <Z0id​berg> It's actually /28 but I split it into two /27s and hide the second behind a subnet mask that makes you think it's a 28
L738[22:40:55] <Z0id​berg> The rhcp server basically lies
L739[22:41:21] <Z0id​berg> Dhcp*
L740[22:41:31] <lunar_sam> @Teris i would never refer to a song
L741[22:41:45] <Z0id​berg> We also plan them out too
L742[22:42:00] <Z0id​berg> Vlan *
L743[22:42:10] <Te​ris> Perhaps
L744[22:53:36] <Kristo​pher38> @Ocawesome101 post a video or at least a screenshot of your wolf-3d clone
L745[22:54:03] <Kristo​pher38> I wanna see how it turned out but I cba installing craftos-pc
L746[22:56:39] <lunar_sam> one day
L747[22:56:45] <lunar_sam> i'm gonna make a tsukinet stack for the PS2
L748[22:56:55] <lunar_sam> TSUKINET.IRX
L749[22:56:56] <lunar_sam> wait
L750[22:57:07] <lunar_sam> it
L751[22:57:12] <lunar_sam> it fits the 8.3 file name
L752[23:03:30] <Ocawes​ome101> @Kristopher38 https://tinyurl.com/ydpr4njr
L753[23:03:50] <Kristo​pher38> :O that looks great
L754[23:03:59] <Ocawes​ome101> i'm working on rewriting the engine to not be a single monolithic source file
L755[23:04:07] <Kristo​pher38> for cc-pc anyway
L756[23:04:08] <Ocawes​ome101> i'd post a video but recording using ccpc's gif mode tanks performance
L757[23:04:17] <Ocawes​ome101> i'm quite happy with it other than the code quality :P
L758[23:05:16] <Kristo​pher38> i never completed my raycaster, got tangled up in trying to make a extensible map parser from tiled's json files
L759[23:05:29] <Kristo​pher38> perfectionism is my greatest enemy
L760[23:06:04] <Ne​uro> what are you making?
L761[23:06:05] <Ocawes​ome101> mine uses a reasonably simple world format
L762[23:06:42] <Ocawes​ome101> and an even simpler texture format
L763[23:06:48] <Kristo​pher38> the plan was to make an TES: arena-esque game so i tried to make it support custom properties and stuff YEET
L764[23:06:54] <Ocawes​ome101> heh
L765[23:07:20] <Kristo​pher38> but ofc I failed at even finishing the engine xD\
L766[23:07:25] <Ocawes​ome101> heh
L767[23:07:35] <Ocawes​ome101> my first attempt just kind of organically grew into what it is
L768[23:07:42] <Ocawes​ome101> the rewrite i'm working on is much more planned
L769[23:07:46] <Ocawes​ome101> and thought-out
L770[23:07:59] <lunar_sam> > <@Kristo​pher38> perfectionism is my greatest enemy
L771[23:08:00] <lunar_sam> same
L772[23:08:08] <Ne​uro> >Ocawesome101: and thought-out
L773[23:08:08] <lunar_sam> good ping
L774[23:08:08] <Ne​uro> yeah, thats usually the way to go about it
L775[23:08:24] <lunar_sam> anyways
L776[23:08:31] <lunar_sam> i'm working on a wacky project right now
L777[23:08:35] <lunar_sam> but i'm keeping the formats simple
L778[23:08:36] <lunar_sam> :)
L779[23:08:51] <Kristo​pher38> arguably i had some problems with one lib that had bugs
L780[23:09:12] <Ne​uro> lunar: what's the project
L781[23:09:15] <Kristo​pher38> https://github.com/SSBMTonberry/tileson
L782[23:09:24] <lunar_sam> a reimplementation of touhou 15.5 for the PS2
L783[23:09:28] <Kristo​pher38> hopefully they're fixed now
L784[23:09:31] <lunar_sam> including 3D backgrounds and whatnot
L785[23:09:57] <Ne​uro> most interesting
L786[23:10:15] <Ne​uro> good luck, ps2 hardware is a mess (as im sure you know)
L787[23:10:26] <lunar_sam> yes
L788[23:10:28] <Ne​uro> ~~still not as nutty as the ps3 omegalul~~
L789[23:10:32] <lunar_sam> this project involves:
L790[23:10:46] <lunar_sam> - lots of EE dev
L791[23:10:53] <lunar_sam> - a bit of IOP programming here and there
L792[23:11:20] <lunar_sam> - VU microassembly! because i decided i might try to use path 1 or 2 for rendering
L793[23:11:25] <lunar_sam> and uh
L794[23:11:31] <lunar_sam> a buncha other little stuff
L795[23:11:44] <lunar_sam> ya know
L796[23:11:45] <lunar_sam> netcode
L797[23:11:49] <lunar_sam> UPnP
L798[23:11:53] <lunar_sam> stuff that's fairly normal
L799[23:12:06] <Ne​uro> didn't think the touhou games were multiplayer
L800[23:12:13] <lunar_sam> it's a fighting game
L801[23:12:23] <Ne​uro> oh lol
L802[23:13:16] <lunar_sam> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92BMRdDSo10 i forgot it release on switch and PS4 finally
L803[23:13:55] <lunar_sam> which makes it infinitely funnier
L804[23:14:39] <Ne​uro> what did it originally launch on?
L805[23:14:47] <Izaya> the PS3 was p neat though, very forward-looking
L806[23:15:00] <lunar_sam> @Neuro PC
L807[23:15:13] <Ne​uro> the ps3 was insane sorry
L808[23:15:29] <lunar_sam> wasn't it just a tri-core ppc
L809[23:15:48] <Ne​uro> if you have very vague definitions of tri and core maybe
L810[23:15:58] <Izaya> IIRC it had like, 2-4 normal cores and a whole bunch of basically GPU cores that were PPC
L811[23:16:11] <Izaya> the weak cores couldn't branch for shit but they did maths real good
L812[23:16:17] <lunar_sam> ooooh
L813[23:16:22] <lunar_sam> so
L814[23:16:29] <lunar_sam> it's like the EE but more VUs
L815[23:16:33] <lunar_sam> got it
L816[23:16:44] <Izaya> so it sort of resembles modern APUs
L817[23:16:48] <Ne​uro> it's a lot more complicated than it needs to be
L818[23:16:51] <Izaya> if you squint hard enough
L819[23:17:04] <lunar_sam> nah, if i squint
L820[23:17:11] <lunar_sam> it looks like a buncha EEs taped together
L821[23:17:17] <lunar_sam> kinda vibin, all things considered
L822[23:17:20] <Ne​uro> it's not a bad system pure power wise but was noted for being hard to develop for
L823[23:17:32] <lunar_sam> anyways, the joke me and the friend who's helping me keep making
L824[23:17:42] <lunar_sam> is that we'll make the game run better on the PS2 than it did on a modern PC
L825[23:18:46] <Ne​uro> ha, maybe
L826[23:18:48] <Ne​uro> gl
L827[23:19:02] <lunar_sam> game is very buggy and poorly optimized
L828[23:19:20] <lunar_sam> that game in the youtube video i posted? yeah, that tends to eat shit and die on fairly modern laptops
L829[23:19:41] <lunar_sam> and by buggy i mean like
L830[23:19:45] <lunar_sam> changing the time/date crashes the game
L831[23:19:54] <Ne​uro> lel
L832[23:20:08] <Ne​uro> you gonna remake it from scratch with copied assets or something?
L833[23:20:14] <Ne​uro> or are you gonna try port the engine
L834[23:20:16] <lunar_sam> converted assets, but yes
L835[23:20:22] <lunar_sam> remake it from scratch
L836[23:20:37] <lunar_sam> we can't do anything with the scripts, unfortunately, so those'll have to be rewritten by hand
L837[23:20:52] <lunar_sam> a lot of the internal formats of the engine are fairly well known, and we're discovering how some of them work ourselves
L838[23:20:57] <Ne​uro> well, there's some difference between ps2 and pc architecture
L839[23:21:02] <Ne​uro> so no surprises
L840[23:21:10] <lunar_sam> "some"
L841[23:21:14] <Ne​uro> now I need to look up what the ps2 ran on
L842[23:21:22] <Kristo​pher38> mips?
L843[23:21:27] <lunar_sam> MIPS III chip
L844[23:21:29] <Ne​uro> oh yeah the emotion engine
L845[23:21:31] <Ne​uro> remember that now
L846[23:21:33] <lunar_sam> toshiba R5900
L847[23:21:53] <lunar_sam> fairly wacky system
L848[23:21:55] <lunar_sam> i kinda like it
L849[23:22:05] <Ne​uro> playstation hardware was always wacky tbh
L850[23:22:08] <lunar_sam> lots of bandwidth
L851[23:22:10] <Ne​uro> well until 4thgen
L852[23:22:15] <Ne​uro> (/5th)
L853[23:22:25] <Ne​uro> when consoles became pcs in boxes and therefore boring
L854[23:22:35] <lunar_sam> remember the wii u
L855[23:22:39] <lunar_sam> i kinda liked it
L856[23:22:42] <lunar_sam> like
L857[23:22:44] <lunar_sam> the idea of it
L858[23:22:56] <Ne​uro> "Wow, it's an AMD APU? Wow, tell me more!"
L859[23:23:02] <Ne​uro> "Wow, it's an AMD APU again? Wow, tell me more!" [Edited]
L860[23:23:10] <lunar_sam> honestly
L861[23:23:13] <lunar_sam> how that looks on IRC
L862[23:23:14] <Ne​uro> wii u fan vs ps vita enjoyer
L863[23:23:17] <lunar_sam> makes the joke even funnier
L864[23:23:24] <Ne​uro> uhh, enlighten me?
L865[23:23:33] <dequbed> The PS4 is still wacky hardware.
L866[23:23:36] <lunar_sam> https://xmpp.icbmlaunch.site/upload/KTHvbKpOZZ7pyFGd/Screenshot_2021-11-19_18-23-28.png
L867[23:23:46] <Ne​uro> LOL
L868[23:24:07] <lunar_sam> that's basically how consoles are
L869[23:24:14] <lunar_sam> It's an AMD APU again! [Edited]
L870[23:24:47] <lunar_sam> anyways, the Wii U was neat
L871[23:24:54] <lunar_sam> i wanted to make a spaceman-like game for it
L872[23:24:57] <lunar_sam> but i don't have one
L873[23:26:50] <Ne​uro> >dequbed: The PS4 is still wacky hardware.
L874[23:26:50] <Ne​uro> I mean, kinda? but we've gone from fancy split core cell nonsense in RISC uarchs to, well, literally just an AMD APU, barely any different from the kind you might put in your own desktop, I think the most interesting part is it has a co-processor of some kind but I don't know much about it and wasn't under the impression it was super strong
L875[23:27:22] <lunar_sam> tbh, the PS2 dev stuff has just been the next step in "sam wants to go lower level"
L876[23:27:32] <Izaya> it's decidedly not an IBM PC clone but it's the same stuff put together mildly differently
L877[23:27:55] <lunar_sam> i still have a few system libraries and whatnot, but that's about it
L878[23:28:15] <lunar_sam> oh, and i can run ELFs!
L879[23:28:19] <lunar_sam> (very important)
L880[23:28:26] <Ne​uro> it was a bit refreshing during the ps5 announcement to hear they were doing some vaguely interesting things with memory bandwidth and DMA
L881[23:28:31] <Izaya> kinda expected there to be an "emulator" that uses VT-x and VT-d with a similar GPU to run games
L882[23:28:34] <Izaya> by now
L883[23:28:48] <lunar_sam> i heard something about an emu here recently
L884[23:28:51] <lunar_sam> :P
L885[23:29:05] <lunar_sam> honestly i'm more excited by how Xenia is coming along
L886[23:29:07] <Izaya> jfc when the PS5 was announced it was like PS fans thought Sony had invented PCI-e 4
L887[23:29:27] <lunar_sam> i'll finally be able to play Ace Combat 6
L888[23:29:30] <Ne​uro> lol I never bought into it much (I mean i dont even own one and dont plan to)
L889[23:29:36] <Ne​uro> but I mean like, at least they're doing something
L890[23:29:45] <Ne​uro> at least it's not just literally a desktop PC in a box
L891[23:30:05] <lunar_sam> yeah, this time it's a desktop PC with a PCIe SSD in a box!
L892[23:30:11] <Izaya> it just annoyed me because systems had shipped that had PCI-e 4 before the PS5 was even announced
L893[23:30:20] <lunar_sam> you know what i love, though
L894[23:30:32] <lunar_sam> my PS2 has more storage than some launch day PS3s
L895[23:30:45] <Ne​uro> cause you modded it?
L896[23:30:53] <lunar_sam> not really modded it
L897[23:30:57] <lunar_sam> just stuck a drive in it
L898[23:31:06] <lunar_sam> the IDE connector was right there
L899[23:31:09] <Ne​uro> well thats what I meant, maybe poor word choice
L900[23:31:29] <lunar_sam> this bad boy has a whopping 160GB of storage
L901[23:31:32] <Izaya> I have a PS2 here somewhere, I should get a replacement DVD drive and an ethernet adaptor so I can run Linux on it
L902[23:31:48] <lunar_sam> actually that means it has more storage than some of the later models
L903[23:31:57] <lunar_sam> which had a measly 12GB of storage
L904[23:31:59] <lunar_sam> lmao
L905[23:32:28] <lunar_sam> i ran linux on my PS2
L906[23:32:31] <lunar_sam> it kinda sucked
L907[23:32:49] <Izaya> that makes sense
L908[23:32:52] <lunar_sam> the terminal *really* does not like YPbPr
L909[23:32:55] <Izaya> but what else am I going to do with a PS2
L910[23:33:01] <lunar_sam> homebrew
L911[23:33:02] <lunar_sam> emulation
L912[23:33:12] <Ne​uro> let it gather dust
L913[23:33:19] <lunar_sam> a space heater in the winter
L914[23:33:26] <Izaya> emulate what? the NES?
L915[23:33:34] <Ne​uro> your phone is probably more powerful
L916[23:33:37] <Ne​uro> infact scratch that
L917[23:33:37] <lunar_sam> NES, SNES
L918[23:33:41] <lunar_sam> Genesis
L919[23:33:43] <Izaya> actually a C64 emulator might be nice
L920[23:33:43] <Ne​uro> your phone is certainly more powerful
L921[23:33:43] <lunar_sam> uhhh
L922[23:33:56] <lunar_sam> certainly has more RAM
L923[23:33:57] <lunar_sam> lmao
L924[23:34:14] <lunar_sam> infact, i have AGP graphics cards with more memory than the PS2
L925[23:34:17] <Izaya> speaking of phones
L926[23:34:27] <Izaya> the latest update to phosh in pmOS stable made it not complete ass
L927[23:34:40] <Izaya> it isn't *fast* but it's not dreadfully slow either
L928[23:34:57] <Izaya> xwayland is still broken on it though
L929[23:35:05] <lunar_sam> what was i gonna look up
L930[23:35:29] <lunar_sam> apparently there was an N64 emu on the PS2
L931[23:35:30] <lunar_sam> lmao
L932[23:35:33] <Ne​uro> well, phone memory is overinflated because of the need for endlessly increasing camera pixel counts
L933[23:35:51] <Izaya> the pinephone doesn't have this problem :^)
L934[23:36:03] <Izaya> [camera grain intensifies]
L935[23:36:03] <Ne​uro> honestly for how much it's advertised it's baffling to imagine who actually, like, cares about this shit
L936[23:36:04] <lunar_sam> phone memory is overinflated because of the need for continuing to use bloated JS-filled apps
L937[23:36:10] <lunar_sam> normies
L938[23:36:12] <lunar_sam> normies do
L939[23:36:41] <Ne​uro> >Izaya: the pinephone doesn't have this probl…
L940[23:36:41] <dequbed> @Neuro what Izaya said. The PS4 is very much similar to your normal PC :P
L941[23:36:41] <Ne​uro> the problem with all phones like that is they are almost always overpriced
L942[23:36:49] <dequbed> very much not*
L943[23:36:57] <lunar_sam> idk man
L944[23:37:05] <lunar_sam> i got my pinephone for what
L945[23:37:12] <lunar_sam> $200? i think
L946[23:37:16] <Izaya> dequbed: they should've just built a normal IBM PC clone tbh
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L948[23:37:23] <lunar_sam> mighta been less
L949[23:37:29] <Ne​uro> ok, let's do a comparison of my phone
L950[23:37:33] <lunar_sam> i got the 3GB version because i wanna do dumb things
L951[23:37:43] <Ne​uro> I have the stats page up for it, and its telling me it wants $200 for it
L952[23:37:53] <dequbed> Izaya: Why? PC is horrible.
L953[23:37:53] <Izaya> Neuro: honestly 300 AUD was the same price as my last phone ... in 2015, and the pinephone isn't significantly more powerful, but on the upside, no more android
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L955[23:38:13] <Izaya> dequbed: if they're going to use x86 and shit it might as well be compatible
L956[23:38:28] <Ne​uro> I paid £130 for my phone so it's actually a decent bit cheaper
L957[23:38:32] <Ne​uro> let me grab it rn and compare state
L958[23:38:34] <Ne​uro> let me grab it rn and compare stats [Edited]
L959[23:38:46] <lunar_sam> pinephone is slightly better than my current phone but currently
L960[23:38:51] <lunar_sam> having issues with t - m o b i l e
L961[23:39:20] <Ne​uro> lets see, 3gb ram, 3gb ram
L962[23:39:25] <Ne​uro> (left my phone, right pinephone)
L963[23:39:28] <Izaya> honestly it's kind of funny how similar in spec the moto g3 and pinephone are
L964[23:39:32] <Ne​uro> 64gb storage, 32gb storage
L965[23:39:45] <lunar_sam> Izaya: i have an original Stylo for my current phone :P
L966[23:39:55] <Ne​uro> processor . . well might be a bit to figure out which is better
L967[23:39:55] <Ocawes​ome101> pinephone pro ($400) is a significantly better piece of hardware excepting battery life
L968[23:39:58] <Ash​irg> >Amanda: so if Iswitch my lan to use 10.0.0.0/8…
L969[23:39:59] <Ash​irg> Try it
L970[23:40:06] <lunar_sam> Pro?
L971[23:40:13] <lunar_sam> what's the Pro got in terms of hardware
L972[23:40:20] <Izaya> 4x A53 in both, 2GB RAM version of both, 16GB storage version of both, ~720p display on both...
L973[23:40:22] <lunar_sam> i got the convergence edition
L974[23:40:25] <Amanda> Well, I'm no-longer home alone, so I'd be breaking the internet for my mom and sister, so maybe monday
L975[23:40:38] <Ne​uro> CPU on my phone is a lot better
L976[23:40:52] <lunar_sam> when the fuck was the stylo even released
L977[23:40:55] <Ne​uro> hard to say exactly by how much but double the cores and significantly higher clocked
L978[23:41:09] <Izaya> Ocawesome101: iunno if it's there yet but the pppro SoC has the potential to be lower power
L979[23:41:16] <Izaya> more intermediate and deep sleep states
L980[23:41:24] <lunar_sam> 2015
L981[23:41:30] <lunar_sam> damb
L982[23:41:32] <Ocawes​ome101> lunar_sam: PPPro has a better camera setup, a downclocked RK3399 (the RK3399S), and 4GB of memory off the top of my head
L983[23:41:39] <lunar_sam> oh fuck
L984[23:41:42] <Izaya> same year as the G3 lunar_sam
L985[23:41:42] <lunar_sam> >4GB of memory
L986[23:41:43] <Izaya> B)
L987[23:42:16] <Ash​irg> >Amanda: Well, I'm no-longer home alone, so I'd…
L988[23:42:16] <Ash​irg> Minor inconveniences
L989[23:42:25] <Ne​uro> the gpu seems to be about 5x as better
L990[23:42:35] <lunar_sam> damn
L991[23:42:36] <Ne​uro> if you trust 3dmark
L992[23:42:38] <lunar_sam> wish i waited
L993[23:42:39] <Ash​irg> Or as they say in the military, "acceötable casualties"
L994[23:42:42] <Izaya> but yeah honestly, not having to deal with Android was worth $300 to me
L995[23:42:46] <lunar_sam> for the PPro
L996[23:42:49] <Ne​uro> so yeah uh, I think I stand by saying it's a bit expensive for the hardware
L997[23:43:02] <lunar_sam> just for > improved heat dissipation
L998[23:43:05] <Ash​irg> Or as they say in the military, "acceptable casualties" [Edited]
L999[23:43:15] <Ne​uro> not that that should be any surprise, scale and whatnot
L1000[23:43:41] <Ne​uro> but yeah all of these linux machine projects are like that, all the ones ive found at least
L1001[23:43:44] <Izaya> it's also worth noting that the pinephone is a first-generation product for enthusiasts
L1002[23:43:50] <lunar_sam> wonder if the modem is the same
L1003[23:43:50] <Ne​uro> the principles are solid, the design is good (usually)
L1004[23:43:57] <lunar_sam> the modem gets t o a s t y
L1005[23:44:01] <Ne​uro> but the price is usually high and the hardware is usually ass
L1006[23:44:19] <Izaya> lunar_sam: I gotta play with building my own modem firmware
L1007[23:44:21] <Ocawes​ome101> Neuro: the PPPro is actually quite good from what i've seen of early dev impressions
L1008[23:44:35] <Izaya> I want to run an XMPP client on the modem module to wake up the SoC when I get a message
L1009[23:44:37] <Ocawes​ome101> leaps and bounds faster than the original PP, for a little over 1.5x the price
L1010[23:44:38] <lunar_sam> oh the PPPro has a six core
L1011[23:44:43] <Ne​uro> Sure altho with the price you mentioned itd be close to 3x the price of my phone
L1012[23:44:44] <dequbed> dequbed: But why be compatible? It's not like you're running software from other systems on it, eh?
L1013[23:44:46] <Ne​uro> so it better be better lmao
L1014[23:44:47] <Ocawes​ome101> OH it's also got 128GB of much faster eMMC
L1015[23:44:51] <dequbed> Izaya: *
L1016[23:45:02] <Izaya> dequbed: it'd make development simpler, if nothing else
L1017[23:45:06] <Ocawes​ome101> lunar_sam: i'll be getting a PPPro... in a couple years, once the software is a little more fleshed out and i can't stand my og pinephone anymore
L1018[23:45:14] <Izaya> Ocawesome101: did you see the mod to make the pinephone storage faster
L1019[23:45:15] <lunar_sam> fair enough
L1020[23:45:23] <lunar_sam> Izaya: i wanna hear this
L1021[23:45:25] <Izaya> https://tuxphones.com/pinephone-storage-performance-pinecil-vccq-emmc-mod/
L1022[23:45:34] <Ne​uro> also you can totally root linux onto android phones if you want
L1023[23:45:43] <Izaya> linux on android phones is ass
L1024[23:45:49] <Ocawes​ome101> Izaya: yeah, just earlier actually
L1025[23:45:59] <Izaya> I tried pmOS on my G3
L1026[23:46:03] <Ocawes​ome101> but it's still not 128GB :P
L1027[23:46:28] <Ne​uro> tbh im not sure why there would be any reason for that
L1028[23:46:32] <dequbed> Izaya: No, not really. You have very custom hardware you need to develop for anyway to get any performance out of it so the difference between developing for a very custom shitty PC or a very custom at least its not a PC.
L1029[23:46:36] <Ne​uro> underlying hardware is all the same
L1030[23:46:38] <lunar_sam> my Stylo would not take pmOS
L1031[23:46:41] <lunar_sam> not at all
L1032[23:46:45] <lunar_sam> it was not happy
L1033[23:46:46] <Izaya> Neuro: ah, you're not aware of the Android driver situation?
L1034[23:47:16] <Ne​uro> no altho you are giving me minor flashbacks to when I tried to root an old phone
L1035[23:47:24] <Izaya> while pmOS on my G3 technically "worked", there was no networking, no hardware video acceleration, no sound...
L1036[23:47:34] <Ocawes​ome101> there are very few phones that are supported in mainline linux
L1037[23:47:37] <lunar_sam> pmOS literally did not boot for me
L1038[23:47:40] <Ocawes​ome101> the pinephone has the best support i know of
L1039[23:47:49] <lunar_sam> it hung and that was that
L1040[23:47:49] <Ne​uro> 🤷‍♂️ sounds like a linux problem
L1041[23:47:51] <Izaya> because the only drivers for the chipset exist as binary blobs included in kernel images distributed by manufacturers
L1042[23:48:25] <Izaya> and the external linux API may be wonderfully stable but the kernel's internal APIs change a lot, often
L1043[23:48:29] <Ne​uro> sounds like a pain
L1044[23:48:43] <Izaya> this is the standard method for distributing drivers for android devices
L1045[23:48:45] <Izaya> namely, "don't"
L1046[23:49:05] <lunar_sam> my phone's 4G doesn't work correctly anymore
L1047[23:49:06] <Ne​uro> well if you cannot make them there is nothing to distribute besides
L1048[23:49:08] <Izaya> this is why the pinephone seems underpowered; this is the only practical hardware with some semblance of mainline support
L1049[23:49:14] <lunar_sam> i mean, it never actually worked "correctly"
L1050[23:49:14] <Ne​uro> and phone hardware changes at endless lightning pace
L1051[23:49:28] <lunar_sam> 4G data and 3G voice
L1052[23:49:31] <Ne​uro> >Izaya: this is why the pinephone seems under…
L1053[23:49:31] <Ne​uro> not "seems", it is, but at least it is more obvious why
L1054[23:49:40] <Izaya> iunno man my phone had the same hardware for 5 years
L1055[23:49:55] <Ocawes​ome101> phone hardware is arguably not getting faster at the same rate it was even five years ago
L1056[23:50:01] <lunar_sam> Izaya: wait, didn't you say you have 4G data and 3G voice?
L1057[23:50:03] <Izaya> if they PRed the drivers into the kernel that'd be great
L1058[23:50:14] <Izaya> lunar_sam: I honestly have no idea but it just works
L1059[23:50:22] <lunar_sam> on your G3
L1060[23:50:22] <Ne​uro> it just works
L1061[23:50:32] <lunar_sam> yeah well mine doesn't work somtimes
L1062[23:50:39] <Izaya> uhhhhh probably?
L1063[23:50:39] <lunar_sam> because non-4G service sucks around here
L1064[23:50:48] <Izaya> the G3 did LTE and 3G
L1065[23:50:55] <Izaya> (and 2G, but they've mostly killed that here)
L1066[23:51:24] <lunar_sam> every once in a while
L1067[23:51:26] <lunar_sam> i get 2G
L1068[23:51:27] <lunar_sam> :)
L1069[23:51:33] <lunar_sam> depends on the area of virginia
L1070[23:52:14] <Izaya> Neuro: the important thing is that the pinephone was the hardware that best met the price/performance ratio for linux-supported hardware they were going for at the time of development
L1071[23:52:21] <lunar_sam> either i see HSPA+ ot EDGE around here
L1072[23:53:13] <Izaya> which was say, 2018? 2019? which meant it was already 4 years behind current stuff because the A53 was in budget 2015 devices
L1073[23:53:34] <Ne​uro> Izaya: well yeah they would probably be able to make it a lot cheaper with scale as well. but regardless, underpowered relative to the non-linux competition
L1074[23:53:48] <Izaya> the other thing worth noting
L1075[23:53:51] <Izaya> android is really fucking fat
L1076[23:54:02] <Ne​uro> Oh no doubt
L1077[23:54:09] <Ocawes​ome101> the pinephone pro, i think, is more into the realm of a midrange modern smartphone
L1078[23:54:11] <Ne​uro> But thing is mobile apps are massively fat too
L1079[23:54:28] <Izaya> ... which don't run on linux :D
L1080[23:54:31] <Ne​uro> so you need to be able to support weight unless you want to run nothing linux specific
L1081[23:54:50] <Ne​uro> well, mobile, desktop, everything is fat nowadays
L1082[23:54:59] <Izaya> I dropped anbox pretty fast after I got my pinephone because it just wasn't useful
L1083[23:55:02] <Ne​uro> software gorges on the cpu cycles hardware works so hard to create
L1084[23:55:10] <Izaya> there's native linux software for everything I want to do
L1085[23:56:08] <luna​r_sam> my favorite part of the pinephone is i don't need to write java to make things
L1086[23:56:08] <luna​r_sam> <3
L1087[23:56:19] <Ne​uro> thats good if your use case is limited to that
L1088[23:56:37] <luna​r_sam> i mean, other than like
L1089[23:56:43] <Ne​uro> I barely use my phone at all and can still think of a bunch of things that wouldn't work
L1090[23:56:47] <luna​r_sam> browsing the web
L1091[23:56:53] <luna​r_sam> making phone calls and texts
L1092[23:57:22] <luna​r_sam> using XMPP and discord (which is about the only thing that doesn't Officially™️ work on the PP)
L1093[23:57:31] <luna​r_sam> there isn't much i do with my phone
L1094[23:57:41] <Ne​uro> I barely discord on my phone at all
L1095[23:57:45] <Ne​uro> dont like phone keyboard typing
L1096[23:57:55] <luna​r_sam> man, that's an another great part
L1097[23:57:58] <Ne​uro> (but it is installed ofc)
L1098[23:58:01] <luna​r_sam> i can make my own slide out keyboard
L1099[23:58:01] <luna​r_sam> B)
L1100[23:58:08] <Izaya> got an XMPP client, a fedi client, a TOTP authenticator, calls and texts work fine
L1101[23:58:10] <luna​r_sam> i don't want the flipout keyboard, i want the slide out keyboard
L1102[23:58:15] <luna​r_sam> oh yea, TOTP
L1103[23:58:30] <Izaya> I am conflicted about the keyboard addon
L1104[23:58:35] <Ne​uro> yeah I have an authenticator on it, one of the few things I use
L1105[23:58:38] <luna​r_sam> i want
L1106[23:58:42] <luna​r_sam> slide out keyboard
L1107[23:58:53] <Izaya> I'll probably grab one because a keyboard would be nice but yeah I'd prefer a slide-out one
L1108[23:59:12] <luna​r_sam> Izaya: once i get with a friend, i should be able to make one
L1109[23:59:32] <luna​r_sam> more games need to support 16:10 aspect ratios smh
L1110[23:59:44] <Ne​uro> irritatingly one of the few things I wanted to do on it
L1111[23:59:47] <Ne​uro> play MTG arena
L1112[23:59:55] <Ne​uro> I can't even because phone is not supported
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