L2[00:34:31] <Co​mpu> is there a good library for storing a database into a file?

L3[00:34:42] <Co​mpu> something like sqlite but light enought for OC?

L4[00:40:46] <Sagh​etti> %tonk

L5[00:40:48] <MichiBot> Potzblitz! Sagh​etti! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of <0 (By 3 hours, 4 minutes and 34 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L6[00:40:49] <MichiBot> Saghetti's new record is 3 hours, 4 minutes and 34 seconds! Saghetti also gained 0.00308 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #10. Need 0.0519028 more points to pass ThePi​Guy24!

L7[00:41:14] <Sagh​etti> @Compu: what's your use case?

L8[00:45:41] <Co​mpu> >Saghetti: <@!208512715008770048>: what's your u…

L9[00:45:41] <Co​mpu> i'm making a sign up sheet app that i want to store the entries in a database file, there will be a fileserver running on the same computer so other computers can access the same file

L10[00:46:16] <Sagh​etti> i wouldn't try to do concurrent access

L11[00:46:29] <Sagh​etti> using a shared file

L12[00:46:42] <Sagh​etti> think about what happens if 2 computers write to the file at the same time

L13[00:47:02] <Co​mpu> well the sign up sheet would only access the file once an entry is complete, which is going to be extremely rare

L14[00:47:04] <Ne​uro> you can code your own lock system, it's not that hard

L15[00:47:28] <Co​mpu> i don't think concurrent access will be a big deal

L16[00:47:35] <Sagh​etti> there's still better ways to do this though

L18[00:48:00] <Sagh​etti> the way i would approach this is to roll a very basic db

L19[00:48:04] <Sagh​etti> (just a table)

L21[00:48:26] <Co​mpu> how do i convert between table and file?

L22[00:48:28] <Sagh​etti> you can serialize/deserialize a table to/from a file using api calls

L23[00:48:30] <Sagh​etti> 1 sec

L24[00:48:52] <Sagh​etti> ~ocdoc serialization

L25[00:49:06] <Sagh​etti> ~w serialization

L26[00:49:09] <Sagh​etti> forgot the command

L27[00:49:10] <Co​mpu> if this was python i'd use pickle

L28[00:49:16] <Sagh​etti> https://ocdoc.cil.li/api:serialization?s[]=serialize

L29[00:49:34] <Sagh​etti> pass in a value and it spits out a string

L30[00:49:39] <Sagh​etti> pass in a string and it spits out a value

L31[00:50:11] <Co​mpu> what is cycles in tables?

L32[00:50:26] <Sagh​etti> when a table references itself

L33[00:50:43] <Sagh​etti> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/ferabayuna

L34[00:50:43] <Sagh​etti> this is a cycle

L35[00:50:43] <Co​mpu> ah so probably not a problem here

L36[00:50:54] <Sagh​etti> yeah

L37[00:51:20] <Sagh​etti> what i'd do then is make a really basic api to modify your table over the network

L38[00:51:52] <Co​mpu> well the current fileserver client only supports downloading to a local file and uploading from a local file

L39[00:52:00] <Sagh​etti> what are you using

L40[00:52:19] <Sagh​etti> for the fileserver

L41[00:52:31] <Co​mpu> https://github.com/GlobalEmpire/OC-Programs/tree/master/Programs/OpenFTP/Release%201/Custom%20Path%20Modification

L42[00:52:37] <Co​mpu> they been modifying it for what i need

L43[00:52:48] <Co​mpu> cuz they really really want me to use it and GERT

L44[00:53:04] <Co​mpu> i was originally planning on using minitel and frequest

L45[00:53:44] <Sagh​etti> gert might be overkill for this

L46[00:53:51] <Sagh​etti> your computers are just connected to eachother with cables

L47[00:53:53] <Sagh​etti> right?

L48[00:55:30] <Co​mpu> no

L49[00:55:38] <Sagh​etti> wireless modems?

L50[00:55:48] <Co​mpu> uh it's somewhat complicated

L51[00:55:53] <Co​mpu> basically i built a programming school

L52[00:56:17] <Co​mpu> there's a computer lab with 6 tier 2 computers with wired network cards

L53[00:57:09] <Co​mpu> these network cards go to relays, 3 computers each, which then goes to 2 of the 3 network cards i have on a server in a network closet running GERT's MNC server

L54[00:57:18] <Co​mpu> the server also has a wireless card

L55[00:57:30] <Co​mpu> and the rest of the computers in the school have wireless cards

L56[00:57:45] <Co​mpu> GERT allows all of these computers to interconnect

L57[00:58:04] <Co​mpu> so one of the wireless computers can reach the computer lab computers, for example

L58[00:58:21] <Co​mpu> i originall was using minitel but had problems

L59[00:58:30] <Co​mpu> someone DMed trying to get me to switch to GERT

L60[00:58:58] <Co​mpu> in the process of switch we found the problem (the rack's network switch was enabled), but by then all the computers had been switched over to GERT

L61[00:59:11] <Izaya> sunk cost fallacy's a bitch

L62[00:59:21] <Co​mpu> oh not at all

L63[00:59:25] <Co​mpu> i could switch back

L64[00:59:36] <Co​mpu> but the devs of GERT r basically begging me to use it

L65[01:00:02] <Co​mpu> i literally have a script that would only require slight modification but would handle all the work of switching back for me

L66[01:00:10] <Co​mpu> since i kept all the config files in place

L67[01:00:55] <Co​mpu> and the devs here have put enough work in because of my feature requests i don't really want all their work to be for nothing

L68[01:01:05] <Co​mpu> and the devs of GERT have put enough work in because of my feature requests i don't really want all their work to be for nothing [Edited]

L69[01:01:24] <Izaya> some real-world use would be good for it, I suppose

L70[01:01:37] <Co​mpu> ye

L72[01:51:37] <luna​r_sam> man

L73[01:51:44] <luna​r_sam> i should beg people to use tsukinet once it works

L74[01:51:56] <luna​r_sam> also i should write an IRX for it so i can have TN on the PS2

L75[02:11:40] <luna​r_sam> @Ariri https://tinyurl.com/yz5eqlnv

L76[02:11:40] <luna​r_sam> https://tenor.com/view/engineer-tf2-team-fortress-gaming-dance-gif-16535204

L79[03:56:16] <Amanda> %remindme 10h systemd https://grafana.com/docs/grafana/latest/visualizations/state-timeline/ ?

L80[03:56:16] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Invalid arguments. %remind Time:string Message:string

L81[03:56:47] <Amanda> %remindme 10h systemd https://grafana.com/docs/grafana/latest/visualizations/state-timeline/ ?

L82[03:56:48] <MichiBot> I'll tell you "systemd https://grafana.com/docs/grafana/latest/visualizations/state-timeline/ ?" in 10h at 11/18/2021 01:56:47 PM

L84[05:25:45] <Forec​aster> %tonk

L85[05:25:46] <MichiBot> Consarn it! Forec​aster! You beat Sagh​etti's previous record of 3 hours, 4 minutes and 34 seconds (By 1 hour, 40 minutes and 23 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L86[05:25:47] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 4 hours, 44 minutes and 58 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.00668 (0.00167 x 4) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.43050254 more points to pass Va​ur!

L92[10:12:10] <Kristo​pher38> Izaya: damn, good roast 🔥

L93[10:12:32] <Izaya> I was trying to be nice

L94[10:12:41] <Izaya> I take it it didn't work >.>

L95[10:30:26] <Ash​irg> %sip

L96[10:30:27] <MichiBot> You drink a rather rainbow potion (New!). Ashirg's eyes glow cyan until someone stops looking at them.

L100[11:22:20] <Ash​irg> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/673347615328567324/910757059593658378/coffee.mp4

L101[13:47:49] <Forec​aster> Ashirg you have to stop looking at your own eyes too

L102[13:50:32] <Ash​irg> Oh fuck

L103[13:50:34] <Ash​irg> How do I do that

L104[13:51:04] <Va​ur> %tonk

L105[13:51:05] <MichiBot> Wow! Va​ur! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of 4 hours, 44 minutes and 58 seconds (By 3 hours, 40 minutes and 20 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L106[13:51:06] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 8 hours, 25 minutes and 19 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.01835 (0.00367 x 5) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #1.

L107[13:56:48] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER: systemd https://grafana.com/docs/grafana/latest/visualizations/state-timeline/ ?

L108[14:21:16] <Ash​irg> %sip

L109[14:21:16] <MichiBot> You drink a resonating dilithium potion (New!). Ashirg feels a sudden surge of static electricity.

L112[15:17:07] <Ocawes​ome101> @Ashirg that's pretty good lol

L113[15:19:24] <Ne​uro> oh wait its a real thing lol

L114[15:19:34] <Ne​uro> I tried to see it yesterday but it just refused to load

L115[15:19:40] <Ne​uro> stuck at 0:00/0:00

L116[15:19:43] <Ne​uro> pretty funny

L117[15:19:46] <Izaya> a classic

L135[17:13:34] <Ash​irg> Was that an issue with the bridge?

L136[17:18:30] <Forec​aster> no, it's just an irc thing

L137[18:00:07] <Mic​hiyo> Any time you see a .net .split it means an IRC server disconnected from the network

L138[18:01:43] <Ne​uro> wait why is pipe here

L139[18:02:12] <Ne​uro> >Michiyo: Any time you see a *.net *.split it m…

L140[18:02:12] <Ne​uro> why did that happen>?

L141[18:02:17] <Ne​uro> why did that happen? [Edited]

L142[18:09:19] <Forec​aster> the big irc providers, such as esper, host many servers on a network that are all linked together, but sometimes a server briefly loses the connection to the other servers, the users who are connected to that server are "split" from the network until the server reconnects

L143[18:09:27] <Forec​aster> this is called a netsplit

L144[18:12:23] <Ne​uro> ah ok

L145[18:56:56] <Z0id​berg> @Neuro The Internet splits in half.

L148[20:27:59] <Forec​aster> %sip

L149[20:28:03] <MichiBot> You drink a seeping strawberry potion (New!). Once empty the potion bottle fills with a different potion.

L150[21:20:55] <CompanionCube> https://thenftbay.org/

L151[21:21:36] <Ne​uro> this is funny as fuck

L154[22:00:51] <Amanda> %choose pizza?

L155[22:00:55] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Is the moon full? That means you should definitely go for it!

L156[22:01:59] <Forec​aster> it is not

L157[22:10:30] <Amanda> dequbed~ Halp, I want to get a prometheus metric for my hosts to monitor block device errors, because that's always been my first indication shit's going to hit the fan, but near as I can tell I'd have to write a custom program for this that attaches to the perf "block:block_rq_complete" tracepoint event and look for non-zero error arguments, and that's way more effort than I can find the spoons for

L158[22:33:25] <Ne​uro> >Neuro: ok figured out fast memory access con…

L159[22:33:25] <Ne​uro> hahahaha

L160[22:33:28] <Ne​uro> I had not figured it tou

L161[22:33:32] <Ne​uro> I had *not* figured it out [Edited]

L162[22:33:33] <Ne​uro> what a mess

L163[22:33:44] <Ne​uro> I have a working solution now but I don't like it

L164[22:33:53] <Ne​uro> had to reduce the number of memory access channels to 8

L165[22:34:40] <Ne​uro> in order to add communication instead of the previous planned system of fully autonomously synchronous chips

L166[22:34:45] <Ne​uro> had to reduce the number of memory access channels to 8 (from 13) [Edited]

L167[22:35:06] <Ne​uro> the irritating part is the previous solution was obviously theoretically possible

L168[22:35:22] <Ne​uro> but the two major problems were that it would have been monstrous to build and implement

L169[22:35:30] <Ne​uro> requiring a 13-bit barrel shifter as well as a 13 bit line decoder

L170[22:35:47] <Ne​uro> and it also required more i/o sides than the chip, well, has

L171[22:36:06] <Ne​uro> the second problem had a workaround but it was more mess

L172[22:36:25] <Ne​uro> the first problem, well, I spent most all of yesterday trying to think of a cleverer bitmagicky way to do the operation I wanted to do

L173[22:36:28] <Ne​uro> but nothing came up

L174[22:36:37] <Ne​uro> so alas, weaker solution it is

L175[22:36:40] <Ne​uro> it is fast tho

L176[22:36:54] <Ne​uro> it can do a read or writeop in 6 ticks

L177[22:37:01] <Ne​uro> continuously

L178[22:37:26] <Ne​uro> and doesn't have problems with requests arriving on the same tick, something I feared might be tricky to figure out

L179[22:38:28] <Ne​uro> bonus points if you can figure out how it works https://tinyurl.com/yjvuvlv7

L180[22:40:22] <Forec​aster> Ones and zeroes

L181[22:40:40] <Ne​uro> beep boop

L182[22:40:55] <Forec​aster> Do I get a prize? :P

L183[22:41:02] <Ne​uro> no 😛

L184[22:41:06] <Ne​uro> 😛

L185[22:41:14] <Ne​uro> why do i get the emoji and you don't?

L186[22:41:19] <Ne​uro> mysteries of discord I guess

L187[22:41:28] <Forec​aster> I've turned it off

L188[22:41:34] <Ne​uro> ah

L189[22:41:54] <Forec​aster> I'll reward myself a %sip

L190[22:41:55] <MichiBot> You drink an eroded spice potion (New!). Forecaster's left sock is now cursed.

L191[22:42:00] <Forec​aster> Dangit

L192[22:42:20] <Ne​uro> cursed

L193[22:42:48] <Ne​uro> well, bit of a futile exercise that was

L194[22:43:06] <Ne​uro> I mean I came out of it with something that works but I am miffed that I couldn't come up with something clever

L196[23:41:29] <Va​ur> %tonkout

L197[23:41:32] <MichiBot> Jiminy Cricket! Va​ur! You beat your own previous record of 8 hours, 25 minutes and 19 seconds (By 1 hour, 25 minutes and 6 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L198[23:41:33] <MichiBot> Va​ur has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.009 tonk points! plus 0.016 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 4.22488264, Position #1

L199[23:47:08] <Amanda> %choose laptop nap time?

L200[23:47:08] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Boo! No!