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L1[00:00:55] <Amanda> dequbed: do you mean 2-10 degrees off horizion or off vertical?
L2[00:01:23] <Amanda> ( I assume horizon, but just checking )
L3[00:01:37] <Izaya> off vertical
L4[00:01:45] <Izaya> the idea is that the drag does your turn for you
L5[00:05:50] <Michiyo> THIS FUCKING METHOD ISN'T FUCKING STATIC
L6[00:05:52] <Michiyo> Q_Q
L7[00:11:52] <Amanda> Izaya: what do you use to record video?
L8[00:13:24] <Izaya> a cursed OBS setup
L9[00:13:32] <Amanda> ah
L10[00:13:40] <Izaya> I spew hardly compressed video over my LAN to my server that encodes it into something reasonable
L11[00:13:41] <dequbed> Amanda: Off vertical as Izaya said. Gravity wants to pull you down, thrust pushes you upwards but at just a tiny little angle. So there ends up being a tiny sidewards force. That makes your rocket rotate which means the thrust is even further from straight making the rocket turn more, etc. Means you use barely any fuel for actually turning and all of it for getting to space
L12[00:16:48] <Ariri> %choose send sat to mun for science or skip and bomb it
L13[00:16:48] <MichiBot> Ar​iri: If I've learned anything in life it's that you always pick "skip and bomb it"
L14[00:17:13] <superminor2> I finally started using wireguard. I have been seriously missing out
L15[00:19:04] ⇦ Quits: Vexatos (~Vexatos@port-92-192-62-13.dynamic.as20676.net) (Quit: Insert quantum chemistry joke here)
L16[00:20:42] <dequbed> Amanda: If you do it right the result is a very hands-off rocket. You don't need no SAS and no manual control, just a few space presses to get rid of extranous rocket motors.
L17[00:25:55] <Amanda> isn't the angle dependent on the speed though?
L18[00:27:06] <dequbed> I'm not sure what exactly you mean but no in general not.
L19[00:27:23] <Amanda> Ariri said something about 1°/100m/s
L20[00:28:07] <Ariri> That's what the tutorial teaches you to try and hold to in terms of orientation, which your prograde will fall to roughly as you ascend, post-tip over
L21[00:28:37] <Ariri> It's a rough and basic launch profile
L22[00:32:45] <dequbed> Ah that's what you mean. No, the angle is not dependent on the velocity. The angle is simply the result of your ship tipping over but also having a controlled explosion at one end. For any given rocket the starting angle will define exactly how the launch profile looks, i.e. what line the rocket follows to orbit. If you tip over less the ascent will be steeper. But a rocket with less TWR gets less speed for the same amount of tipping so it'll be sh
L23[00:32:45] <dequbed> allower.
L24[00:35:22] <dequbed> The thing is though you want your ascent profile to make sense. All trust that goes straight down is more or less wasted to gravity. The only part that counts is the part sideways because that helps you get to orbital speeds. However on a planet with atmosphere you want to minimize drag. That's why you do a curve to begin with. Reduce drag by going up to thinner atmosphere faster but still get as much sideways speed as possible. On a body with no a
L25[00:35:22] <dequbed> tmosphere the most efficient is more or less jump up far enough to clear the mountain then boost straight sidewards to the horizon until you have achieved orbital velocity.
L26[00:36:01] <dequbed> A gravity turn is simply the most efficient way of having a curve-shaped ascent :p
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L28[01:07:10] <bad at​ vijya> Izaya: CKAN KEEPS BREAKING AAAAAAAAAAA
L29[01:08:51] <Shuud​oushi> um, I have no idea how I fucked that up... https://tinyurl.com/yxeg338o
L30[01:10:45] <bad at​ vijya> oh
L31[01:10:58] <bad at​ vijya> `btrfs filesystem defragment` froze
L32[01:12:28] <Shuud​oushi> I forgot about fakechar being a thing...
L33[01:12:42] <Michiyo> %flip java
L34[01:12:42] <MichiBot> Mic​hiyo: (╯°□°）╯ɐʌɐɾ
L35[01:12:46] <Michiyo> fuck you
L36[01:12:47] <Michiyo> fuck this
L37[01:12:50] <Michiyo> fuck everything
L38[01:13:17] <i develo​p things> oi https://tinyurl.com/yxvdbfeg
L39[01:13:23] <Shuud​oushi> lol
L40[01:13:25] <Michiyo> I understand you don't want me to call a non static method from a static context.
L41[01:13:33] <i develo​p things> rudimentary FORTH implementation in just under 4KB
L42[01:13:34] <Michiyo> BUT I'M LOOKING AT THIS EXACT SAME THING IN ANOTHER CODE BASE
L43[01:13:36] <Michiyo> WITH NO ISSUE
L44[01:13:38] <Michiyo> FUCKIOGHJ"?OLSIHEG{O*AHETG{")(H*SEGT]
L45[01:13:40] <i develo​p things> 4062 bytes
L46[01:13:53] <i develo​p things> *4058
L47[01:14:27] <Shuud​oushi> there goes what was left of poor Michiyo's sanity 😄
L48[01:17:47] <Michiyo> THIS METHOD ISN'T EVEN STATIC AT THIS POINT
L49[01:17:50] <Michiyo> WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!
L50[01:17:55] <Michiyo> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
L51[01:22:33] <ThePi​Guy24> %tonkout
L52[01:22:33] <MichiBot> Woooo! ThePi​Guy24! You beat Va​ur's previous record of 4 hours, 37 minutes and 44 seconds (By 12 minutes and 58 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L53[01:22:34] <MichiBot> ThePi​Guy24 has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.004 tonk points! plus 0.003 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 0.11173. Position #3 Need 0.03352 more points to pass Compan​ionCube!
L54[01:22:54] <B​ob> Michiyo enjoying Java
L55[01:30:23] <Va​ur> fuck I forgot about it
L56[01:30:33] <Va​ur> I checked the time right at the limit lol
L57[01:30:42] <i develo​p things> tfw freak out because you have :w
L58[01:30:49] <i develo​p things> ugh too used to vim
L59[01:31:06] <i develo​p things> tfw freak out because you only have ~200b free for a feature that'll probably take 50
L60[01:41:00] <Michiyo> No.. seriously. I've moved the call to a non static method...
L61[01:41:20] <Michiyo> but it STILL tells me that I can't call a non static method from a static context
L62[01:41:30] <Michiyo> But it's NOT static. Nothing is static.
L63[01:41:52] <B​ob> JVM needs rest
L64[01:42:06] <Z​ef> Do you have a github or something for that forth implementation?
L65[01:42:21] <Ko​dos> Michiyo, is the 1.12 server you had still a thing
L66[01:43:06] <Michiyo> https://drive.pc-logix.com/s/iKMZedGASGACppH WHERE DOES ANYTHING SPECIFY STATIC?!
L67[01:43:25] <Michiyo> @Kodos not in a long time. Though I've been kicking around the idea of starting a new pack and putting a server up
L68[01:44:10] <Michiyo> Seriously this is pissing me off. NOTHING is static here.
L69[01:44:46] <i develo​p things> @Zef i will shortly. it's gonna end up filling the whole EEPROM, though, so new features will likely require minification / dropping of other features.
L70[01:44:55] <i develo​p things> as is i'm trying to avoid minification
L71[01:46:25] <i develo​p things> i.e. it's 4085 bytes right now and still really minimal
L72[01:48:28] <Michiyo> But this https://github.com/McJtyMods/ModTutorials/blob/c30ca544a5c0e7fbd579b29244f912a99732ddcd/src/main/java/mcjty/modtut/proxy/ClientProxy.java calls https://github.com/McJtyMods/ModTutorials/blob/c30ca544a5c0e7fbd579b29244f912a99732ddcd/src/main/java/mcjty/modtut/ModItems.java#L22 which THEN calls https://github.com/McJtyMods/ModTutorials/blob/c30ca544a5c0e7fbd579b29244f912a99732ddcd/src/main/java/mcjty/modtut/items/MultiModelItem.java#L27
L73[01:48:30] <Michiyo> With NO ISSUE.
L74[01:49:46] <Z​ef> Damn, well I just want to see how you implemented it because I was trying to make one awhile ago
L75[01:50:25] <i develo​p things> it's not quite compliant and as i said super minimal but basic basic basic logic Should™️ be possible
L76[01:52:44] <i develo​p things> https://github.com/ocawesome101/openforth @Zef
L77[01:52:53] <i develo​p things> uses about 20K of memory
L78[01:56:04] <i develo​p things> currently sitting at 4079 bytes :P
L79[02:00:48] <ThePi​Guy24> i spot whitespace :p
L80[02:02:27] <i develo​p things> yeah
L81[02:02:52] <i develo​p things> could be made a bit smaller but i think it's currently mostly readable and if i were to remove all the whitespace it'd be even less readable
L82[02:03:10] <ThePi​Guy24> and ~43 bytes of space used at the start just to minorly increase readability :p
L83[02:03:18] <i develo​p things> yeah yeah yeah whatever
L84[02:03:27] <i develo​p things> if you have improvements to make, PRs welcome :)
L85[02:08:05] <Shuud​oushi> Lol, im a fucking moron. That sha lib doesn't preformat the output, no wonder why the data was so fucking jacked up XD
L86[02:08:20] <i develo​p things> hahahahahaa
L87[02:09:01] <i develo​p things> FORTH is actually pleasantly simple
L88[02:09:21] <i develo​p things> not sure how you'd do string handling - probably not designed for that - but cool nonetheless
L89[02:09:47] <Shuud​oushi> At least now I know the what's and why's and i can add formating later. Or forget all about it while I sleep and rediscover the fuckedness tomorrow...
L90[02:10:00] <Shuud​oushi> Probably gonna be the latter there...
L91[02:16:44] <Vampyre> %drink coffee hot and bitter please
L92[02:16:44] <MichiBot> This doesn't seem to be a potion I recognize... Make sure it has an appearance and consistency keyword, and the word "potion" in it.
L93[02:17:00] <Vampyre> ... just give me my damn %drink coffee
L94[02:17:06] <Vampyre> arg
L95[02:17:16] * Vampyre slaughters a coffeetree
L96[02:22:49] <Amanda> Izaya, dequbed: Lots of tweaking of Izaya's launch script. Needed some manual intervention at the end of the circulation burn though. https://nc.ddna.co/s/WnNgXzgKQzKAzB2/download
L97[02:24:53] <Vampyre> Amanda, needs a bit more struts, it's a bit wobbly ;-)
L98[02:27:56] <Vampyre> nice asscend profile
L99[02:29:51] <Vampyre> well, until you reach 30k, you need waaay more horizontal speed assoon as you exit the lower atmos
L100[02:31:56] <Amanda> https://git.camnet.site/gitweb/?p=amandac/ksp/kos-scripts.git;a=blob;f=autolaunch.ks;h=6d969825d69512bdee833c9846202a591500a35e;hb=HEAD
L101[02:32:55] <Amanda> Vampyre: ^ That's the kos script that did the launch. :P
L102[02:34:51] <Vampyre> looks nice, but maybe add a part in the lower 12 km to go relatively straight up
L103[02:35:17] <Vampyre> then turn from there to prograde
L104[02:35:21] <Amanda> also, Izaya was right, the code dosn't handle the rotation of the planet well for a 0° inclination, ends up at maybe 15°
L105[02:35:25] <Vampyre> 30 or 40 degrees should be ok
L106[02:47:15] <Amanda> also, not sure what you mean by the rocket being wobbly, it seems lie it's just the normal screen shaking to me?
L107[02:54:29] <Vampyre> the bottom part seems to twists with regard to the center, not entirely sure though
L108[02:55:03] <Amanda> recording a new video right now with the profile changes you suggested right nnow, which I spent some time facing the "top"?
L109[02:55:03] <Vampyre> but if it does, then your engines are not aliigned straight down anymore, so you loose a littlebit of trust
L110[02:57:16] <Amanda> second circulisation burn's happening now
L111[02:58:17] <Amanda> now to wait for nextcloud to upload the new vide
L112[02:59:46] <Vampyre> still got the otheroene open, I'll play them side by side ;-)
L113[03:01:03] <Amanda> either my nc client, or my co-dmin's server, isn't doing the uploads right for some reason. APparently he's seeing 400's from my IP, so I'm not sure if it's the client failing to renew a token or something, or the server getting confused
L114[03:04:33] <Amanda> oh right, 400 isn't "Forbidden" that's 403
L115[03:06:06] <dequbed> Amanda: Looks neat. If you use struts the boosters don't bend like a bouqet and put more boom down where it needs to go :p Also this looks like it was written for the olden days of atmosphere soup but I have no idea about vanilla aerodynamics anyway ^^
L116[03:10:25] <Amanda> dequbed, Vampyre: https://nc.ddna.co/s/BnK9Pc9QnrjGmcp
L117[03:10:48] <Amanda> I still don't see any bending when looking from the "top"
L118[03:11:20] <dequbed> Not bend like noodly but spread out
L119[03:11:51] <Vampyre> something went wrong Amanda, that mkv is only 256kb
L120[03:11:58] <Amanda> bah
L121[03:12:10] <Amanda> I need to update the nextcloud client, it seems
L122[03:12:45] <Michiyo> my ShareX->Nextcloud upload has been going REALLY slow recently
L123[03:13:07] <Michiyo> like 30+ seconds for a couple of KB, it'll hang at 99% for... 99% of that time too
L124[03:13:12] <Vampyre> at one point in the first video you look from the side, at launch, there you see the bottom parts of the booster bend into the central stack
L125[03:13:51] <Vampyre> the motors cause internal stress on the vehicle, so you can fix it by moving the seperators down or place a strut on the bottom
L126[03:14:25] <Michiyo> Always remember, if you think you have enough struts, add more struts.
L127[03:14:50] <Ariri> Amanda, you can use this in a boot file to skip the initial clicking and running `core:part:getmodule("kOSProcessor"):doevent("Open Terminal").
L128[03:14:51] <Ariri> | run "0:/file.ks."
L129[03:14:51] <Ariri> `
L130[03:14:53] <Vampyre> heh, yah, that's pretty much rule number 0 in KSP rockerty ;-)
L131[03:14:59] <Ariri> That didn't come out right
L132[03:18:25] <Amanda> Ariri: I mostly use it from telnet, I just brought it up for the benifit of the video
L133[03:18:42] <Ariri> Ah ok
L134[03:29:35] <ThePi​Guy24> %tonk
L135[03:29:35] <MichiBot> Fopdoodle! ThePi​Guy24! You beat your own previous record of <0 (By 2 hours, 7 minutes and 1 second)! I hope you're happy!
L136[03:29:36] <MichiBot> ThePiGuy24's new record is 2 hours, 7 minutes and 1 second! No points gained for stealing from yourself. (Lost out on 0.00212)
L137[03:51:28] <Amanda> so, I know why I can't upload stuff anymore to my co-admin's Nextcloud! it's/ is full!
L138[03:51:55] <Amanda> too bad I have no idea what my password is, so I can't sudo and clear the logs folder
L139[04:01:14] <Michiyo> Password1?
L140[04:01:25] <Michiyo> hunter2?
L141[04:01:33] <ThePi​Guy24> if not then its gotta be Password2
L142[04:01:37] <Michiyo> correcthorsebatterystaple?
L143[04:03:33] <Michiyo> Tr0ub4dor&3?
L144[04:12:35] <Michiyo> @Forecaster said fuck it, registering each item
L145[04:12:36] <Michiyo> https://drive.pc-logix.com/s/Rb2gMgCa3PXais6
L146[04:23:05] ⇦ Parts: Cervator (~Thunderbi@2600:1700:1a25:9160:3552:69f2:d9ed:6a3b) ())
L147[04:39:55] <Vampyre> hmz, if you flicker a framebuffer from red to green every other tick, it looks like cyan
L148[04:40:06] <Vampyre> green to blue*
L149[04:57:36] <Vampyre> it may not look like much now, but to me, these are beautiful lines! : https://winaoe.org/oc/OCFB2.png
L150[05:11:12] <ThePi​Guy24> they do be pretty good looking lines :p
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L152[05:24:09] <Neor> k
L153[05:24:47] <Vampyre> heh, indeed
L154[05:25:33] <Vampyre> I think might support trancparancy too, so you can set just a portion of the screen to overlay a framebuffer and keep the rest text
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L156[05:26:07] <Vampyre> do need a button to switch back to text though, for if your app crashes in gfx mode
L157[05:27:23] <Vampyre> maybe I'll catch crtl-alt-backspace, I think that is the X11 kill switch ;-)
L158[05:27:32] <bad at​ vijya> hm? what's this?
L159[05:27:46] <Vampyre> pixels!
L160[05:27:58] <Vampyre> it's pixels ;-)
L161[05:28:11] <ThePi​Guy24> i hope you can DMA :p
L162[05:28:38] <ThePi​Guy24> without ridiculous call budgets
L163[05:28:48] <bad at​ vijya> hm
L164[05:28:57] <Vampyre> I can, actually, the thing has native stuff which does some of the memory management ;-)
L165[05:29:08] <bad at​ vijya> i wanted to make a neat GPU but
L166[05:29:13] <bad at​ vijya> like most things
L167[05:29:22] <bad at​ vijya> i never got around to it
L168[05:29:24] <Vampyre> oh, from lua? yah, it will be a 3 buffer bitblt
L169[05:29:48] <Vampyre> maybe with offscreen buffers, not sure yet
L170[05:31:18] <bad at​ vijya> what resolution for T3
L171[05:31:35] <Vampyre> it's a special tier ;-)
L172[05:31:41] <bad at​ vijya> oh?
L173[05:32:10] <ThePi​Guy24> presumably something like 160\8x50\16 :p
L174[05:32:16] <Vampyre> it is fully backward compatible with t3 (extended) and the framebuffer atm is 320x200, but I can pretty much make it any size
L175[05:32:26] <ThePi​Guy24> man that formatting got munted
L176[05:32:53] <ThePiGuy24> we need 640x480 :p
L177[05:33:08] <Vampyre> I'm not sure what gl accepts, and it depends on network bandwidth
L178[05:33:23] <Vampyre> I'm aiming 800x600 ;-)
L179[05:33:31] <Vampyre> but likely 640x480 yeah
L180[05:34:14] <ThePiGuy24> i think gl calls over the internet is doable
L181[05:34:27] <ThePiGuy24> then maybe send the framebuffer every now and then
L182[05:35:07] <Vampyre> well, the idea is to send a scaled framebuffer to clients, depending on the distance they are from the screen then scale up on the client
L183[05:35:57] <Vampyre> so server gets a frame from wherever (shared mem or lua), scales it to a few formats and then sends it out to all clients nearby the screen
L184[05:36:14] <Elfi> Include a HAM colour mode!
L185[05:36:29] <Vampyre> ham?
L186[05:36:43] <Vampyre> that's an aiga term I remember, but I forgot what it stands for ;-)
L187[05:36:46] <Vampyre> amiga*
L188[05:36:49] <Elfi> Hold and Modify
L189[05:36:57] <Elfi> Also yay you got it :D
L190[05:37:10] <Elfi> I am not serious btw, I'm just being silly
L191[05:37:24] <ThePiGuy24> huh just had somewhat of an idea
L192[05:37:38] <Vampyre> well, I'll look ito it, but 256 bit color table support is planned, so you can do fancy psychadelic colorcycle effects ;-)
L193[05:37:57] <Elfi> I too have thought about the implementation of a pixel framebuffer but I never really took it anywhere
L194[05:38:12] <Vampyre> err, 256 colors, bot 256 bit ;-)
L195[05:38:22] <ThePiGuy24> send only the upper bits (assuming if it uses certain bits per channel) when the player is far away :p
L196[05:38:53] <Vampyre> switch them to monichrome if they are 64 blocks away? ;-)
L197[05:39:01] <Vampyre> mono*
L198[05:39:41] <ThePi​Guy24> monochrome, with the high and low colours being the average and 2nd average colours :p
L199[05:39:51] <bad at​ vijya> i wanted to make a programmable GPU
L200[05:40:08] <ThePi​Guy24> gpu shaders would be neat :p
L201[05:40:10] <bad at​ vijya> lmao
L202[05:40:21] <bad at​ vijya> you write the BIOS
L203[05:40:53] <Elfi> Now I'm wondering what kind of processing and bandwidth impact would be on a 20fps zstd-compressed stream
L204[05:40:53] <bad at​ vijya> 3d capable, all that
L205[05:41:28] <Elfi> Updating only modified areas after the initial buffer grab, granted
L206[05:41:37] <bad at​ vijya> the code would be run clientside, also would be simulated serverside
L207[05:43:40] <bad at​ vijya> now how would i sync the framebuffer...
L208[05:43:42] <bad at​ vijya> that's the question
L209[05:47:35] <bad at​ vijya> some sort of...software renderer...
L210[05:50:49] <ThePi​Guy24> %tonkout
L211[05:50:50] <MichiBot> Willikers! ThePi​Guy24! You beat your own previous record of 2 hours, 7 minutes and 1 second (By 14 minutes and 13 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L212[05:50:51] <MichiBot> ThePi​Guy24 has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.002 tonk points! plus 0.002 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 0.11573, Position #3 Need 0.02952 more points to pass Compan​ionCube!
L213[05:51:00] <ThePi​Guy24> succ the points
L214[05:58:15] <bad at​ vijya> i might have to dump the idea of 3D tbh
L215[05:59:21] <Ariri> >170k funds rocket
L216[05:59:23] <Ariri> I hope this works
L217[06:01:31] <ThePi​Guy24> just expose opengl methods as a component :p
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L220[06:03:53] <bad at​ vijya> @ThePiGuy24 no
L221[06:03:55] <bad at​ vijya> but i found something
L222[06:03:59] <bad at​ vijya> i n t e r e s t i n g
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L224[06:08:11] <bad at​ vijya> EGL is a thing that exists
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L226[06:14:03] <bad at​ vijya> man
L227[06:14:16] <bad at​ vijya> turns out compressing a bunch of stuff is really resource intensive
L228[06:17:35] <FLO​RANA> curious will OC ever support 1.16x or would that be too complicated?
L229[06:19:31] <bad at​ vijya> every time someone asks for 1.16 support, the release is pushed back by a month
L230[06:19:53] <FLO​RANA> how would i know?
L231[06:20:17] <FLO​RANA> i just questioned if it would be too complicated
L232[06:20:29] <bad at​ vijya> TPG24: 👀 i think i can use EGL for offscreen rendering
L233[06:20:57] <bad at​ vijya> anyways, updating minecraft mods usually is complicated
L234[06:21:11] <bad at​ vijya> Vampyre: might as well mention you for the EGL thing
L235[06:22:00] <Ariri> Izaya, is surface deployed mystery goo a different science from normal mystery goo?
L236[06:23:38] <Vampyre> heh, well, maybe version 3 will support 3d
L237[06:24:12] <Vampyre> although, I guess most MC servers wouldn't support GL
L238[06:25:37] <bad at​ vijya> i mean
L239[06:25:41] <bad at​ vijya> mesa does software
L240[06:25:50] <FLO​RANA> tbh i've always wondered why don't MC just switch to vulkan? it's more powerful
L241[06:26:07] <bad at​ vijya> because that's a major rewrite of the rendering for little gain
L242[06:28:21] <Vampyre> the speed of the 3d engine is not minecrafts problem ;-)
L243[06:28:46] <Vampyre> the speed of pretty much everything else is
L244[06:29:19] <bad at​ vijya> ^
L245[06:31:59] <bad at​ vijya> anyways, EGL works https://tinyurl.com/y4j8p4zm
L246[06:32:03] <bad at​ vijya> on Baker, at least
L247[06:32:06] <bad at​ vijya> which has uhhh
L248[06:32:25] <bad at​ vijya> the ATI ES1000
L249[06:33:49] <Vampyre> hmz, well most servers nowadays would I guess have some 3d acceleration
L250[06:34:07] <bad at​ vijya> Baker is a PE2950 :P
L251[06:34:13] <bad at​ vijya> absolutely ancient
L252[06:34:27] <Vampyre> I was planning to just do scaling native, but maybe I should indeed look into that to offload it also on the server
L253[06:35:04] <Vampyre> 2950's never break, still have 3 running myself ;-)
L254[06:35:55] <bad at​ vijya> well my whole thing is to have the server be able to sync to new clients that show up
L255[06:35:58] <bad at​ vijya> and have a 3d context
L256[06:37:14] <bad at​ vijya> then i can give Tsuki a fun GUI
L257[06:37:15] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L258[06:37:15] <MichiBot> Yeah! Compan​ionCube! You beat ThePi​Guy24's previous record of <0 (By 46 minutes and 25 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L259[06:37:16] <MichiBot> CompanionCube's new record is 46 minutes and 25 seconds! CompanionCube also gained 0.00077 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.03206 more points to pass Va​ur!
L260[06:37:48] <bad at​ vijya> also, Vampyre, what specs are your PE2950s rocking?
L261[06:38:40] <bad at​ vijya> 'cause this is what mine rocks https://tinyurl.com/y5kvlab2
L262[06:38:41] <bad at​ vijya> :P
L263[06:38:44] <Michiyo> @Forecaster https://drive.pc-logix.com/s/HDjdYRnsKFfYoEd
L264[06:39:28] <Vampyre> 2 have 40gb I think, 2.4ghz single and filled with 600k 15k rpm
L265[06:39:49] <Vampyre> other is 16Gb I think and is filled with WD reds for backup
L266[06:39:54] <bad at​ vijya> mine also has uhhh
L267[06:40:00] <Michiyo> my r815 has... whatever trash came on the board. lol
L268[06:40:05] <bad at​ vijya> 2x 500GB 7.2kRPM
L269[06:40:11] <bad at​ vijya> a 128GB SATA M.2 SSD
L270[06:40:33] <Michiyo> I.. have no idea what my OVH Dedi has, but there is no passthrough to the VMs, so basically no 3d accel
L271[06:41:21] <bad at​ vijya> and
L272[06:41:23] <bad at​ vijya> gonna be honest
L273[06:41:28] <bad at​ vijya> forgot what PERC is in it
L274[06:41:31] <bad at​ vijya> i upgraded it
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L276[06:41:59] <bad at​ vijya> H700 iirc
L277[06:42:01] <Vampyre> the percs that came with it have 2TB max, which is a bit annoying
L278[06:42:11] <bad at​ vijya> yea i replaced the 6/i
L279[06:42:27] <bad at​ vijya> it's just generally much nicer now
L280[06:42:53] <Michiyo> h700 has no issue with the 4tb drives I have on mine heh
L281[06:43:03] <Vampyre> only thing I added really was 10gbit card for each, but yeah, running for around 10 years now ;-)
L282[06:43:10] <bad at​ vijya> hell yea
L283[06:43:15] <bad at​ vijya> i had to get new CPUs for mine
L284[06:43:34] <Michiyo> I really want to go 10gb
L285[06:43:38] <Vampyre> oh, yeah, 1 had a mainboard failure, forgot that one
L286[06:43:44] <bad at​ vijya> both because the power consumption and because one had an issue with a thermal sensor
L287[06:43:52] <bad at​ vijya> causing it to run fans at 100% all the time
L288[06:43:59] <bad at​ vijya> which is a fat f
L289[06:44:30] <Vampyre> heh, mine are in a DC, which is extremely loud anyway
L290[06:44:37] <Michiyo> I have 4 Opteron 6376's they get warm :P
L291[06:44:38] <Vampyre> wouldn't want them in my home
L292[06:44:52] <bad at​ vijya> heh
L293[06:44:56] <bad at​ vijya> mine is in my room
L294[06:45:01] <Vampyre> ouch
L295[06:45:08] <Vampyre> you are brave ;-)
L296[06:45:25] <Forec​aster> Michiyo that's fine :>
L297[06:45:37] <bad at​ vijya> it's quiet enough now with the L5420s
L298[06:45:37] <Michiyo> https://drive.pc-logix.com/s/TxswLwZr9oqfFkQ
L299[06:45:40] <bad at​ vijya> ;P
L300[06:46:38] <Vampyre> heh, nice one Michiyo, what does that pull on full load? you know?
L301[06:46:52] <Michiyo> @Forecaster that's 1.0.1, I've not figured out the quotes in the return data yet
L302[06:46:56] <Michiyo> maybe tomorrow
L303[06:47:09] <bad at​ vijya> god
L304[06:47:26] <bad at​ vijya> i wouldn't want to know what the original CPUs pulled on full load
L305[06:47:59] <Michiyo> Vampyre, power monitoring says I peak @ 671 watts so far
L306[06:48:08] <bad at​ vijya> absolutely ancient 65nm CPUs
L307[06:48:14] <bad at​ vijya> running at high clock speeds
L308[06:48:20] <Vampyre> oh, that's not at all bad for 32 cores
L309[06:48:43] <bad at​ vijya> lmao
L310[06:48:46] <Michiyo> I'll toss cinebench on it when I get back
L311[06:48:51] <Michiyo> AFK
L312[06:49:28] <bad at​ vijya> compressing my user folder is painful
L313[06:49:54] <bad at​ vijya> my poor A12-9720P cries out in pain
L314[07:00:50] <Amanda> dequbed, Vampyre: I'll ping you both (or one or the other) tomorrow when the link should be working. Co-admin fixed the vm, but I've put my laptop aw-- goddesses above when'd it get so late!?
L315[07:01:30] <Amanda> I didn't realise I was hallucinating so much
L316[07:02:57] * Amanda tucks in around Elfi, decides to zzzmews before she gets distracted again
L317[07:03:13] <i develo​p things> Ugh my internet has decided to be terrible apparently
L318[07:03:19] <Amanda> Night nerds
L319[07:03:27] <i develo​p things> Night Amanda
L320[07:07:22] <Vampyre> heh, ok, night Amanda
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L322[07:34:55] <Michiyo> Vampyre, yeah 671w peak, 5.7a
L323[07:35:17] <Michiyo> ~59w per CPU
L324[07:37:06] <Michiyo> Also..
L325[07:37:06] <Michiyo> https://drive.pc-logix.com/s/JBZMym6sXYNcfHy
L326[07:37:08] <Michiyo> painful
L327[07:38:09] <Michiyo> Power Monitor stats: https://drive.pc-logix.com/s/JDCFDjMNbSqnkGe
L328[07:42:11] <Vampyre> just checkoud the stats on the 815, that is even for todays standards a pretty decent server
L329[07:42:20] <Vampyre> not too bad on the power either so it seems
L330[07:42:35] <Michiyo> I wish I could use slightly newer CPUs
L331[07:42:43] <Michiyo> but yeah, I'm happy with it
L332[07:48:54] <Michiyo> FFS Fore, I found the cause of the quotes
L333[07:49:01] <Michiyo> I used getTag, and not getString
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L335[07:50:10] <Michiyo> @Forecaster 1.0.2 https://drive.pc-logix.com/s/ymSwnK8jHws9iZW
L336[08:14:50] <bad at​ vijya> a
L337[08:16:29] <bad at​ vijya> 72% compression ratio
L338[08:16:31] <bad at​ vijya> [x] nice
L339[08:26:02] <Ariri> dequbed, race you to the poles :) https://lcars5201.ddns.net/index.php/s/wXcMEgWjn5Q2aRW
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L342[09:03:43] <bauen1> %tonk
L343[09:03:43] <MichiBot> Holy single grain of rice Batman! bau​en1! You beat Compan​ionCube's previous record of 46 minutes and 25 seconds (By 1 hour, 40 minutes and 2 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L344[09:03:44] <MichiBot> bauen1's new record is 2 hours, 26 minutes and 27 seconds! bauen1 also gained 0.00167 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #8. Need 0.00124 more points to pass simo​n816!
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L347[09:09:16] <Izaya> at which point you realise you can't EVA from the station core modules?
L348[09:11:02] <ThePi​Guy24> a few seconds before bang
L349[09:11:38] <Izaya> cronchy spaceship
L350[09:13:40] <Ariri> When I got into orbit
L351[09:13:55] <Ariri> But by then, I couldn't revert flight and am still not used to the save system
L352[09:14:17] <Izaya> https://enigmatic.observer/media/6149a4cbabe0b68c981242a712ca47e48c47ccad36aeaa37ae338cfc73463211.jpg
L353[09:15:08] <Ariri> I could really go for a warm steamed dumping rn
L354[09:15:13] <ThePi​Guy24> here its raining and not forecast to stop for 2 days
L355[09:15:33] <Izaya> everything I want to watch this season airs at like 2300 and 2330 JST
L356[09:15:39] <Izaya> which is 0200 or 0230 AEDT
L357[09:17:08] <Ariri> sad
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L359[09:17:26] <Izaya> which means, along with working mornings
L360[09:17:31] <Izaya> I end up sleeping midday to 8PM
L361[09:17:52] <Ko​dos> I fell asleep. What’s open cargo again
L362[09:18:40] <Izaya> it's when you apply crowbars to crates
L363[09:19:33] <ThePi​Guy24> other tools are available such as axes and saws
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L365[09:21:12] <Ariri> sigh. Leave it to me to make a mun landing in <3 days but use the wrong module.
L366[09:21:39] <Ariri> Also not sure if this how a transfer window is supposed to look https://lcars5201.ddns.net/index.php/s/RgPYxyw4NG5dRRS
L367[09:22:17] <Izaya> focus on the mun and the line will be less goofy
L368[09:23:04] <Ariri> Oh, yeah seems good
L369[09:23:13] <Ariri> Time to crash land again for testing purposes
L370[09:23:48] <ThePi​Guy24> science™️
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L373[09:24:17] <ThePi​Guy24> finally, took that long enough
L374[09:28:14] <Ariri> There, just after sol 3, with (I think) enough fuel to get home
L375[09:29:46] <Ariri> https://lcars5201.ddns.net/index.php/s/WH82zN7GQnC5wYM
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L377[09:50:42] <Ariri> I thought I would need a rescue mission, but aerobreaking has saved me
L378[09:50:44] <Ariri> https://lcars5201.ddns.net/index.php/s/rQQCyyAT88nbGz2
L379[09:51:47] <ThePi​Guy24> ah yes
L380[09:51:58] <ThePi​Guy24> using the nice atmosphere of space to slow you down
L381[09:55:41] <Ariri> Yes. It has worked too well though. https://lcars5201.ddns.net/index.php/s/yaJ9pE8wbcycD9q
L382[09:55:50] <Ariri> I am under the water, please help me
L383[09:56:39] <ThePi​Guy24> get out your scuba gear and start pushing
L384[09:56:52] <Izaya> man
L385[09:56:59] <Izaya> the scatterer updates are nice
L386[09:56:59] <Ariri> Space suit. Got it
L387[09:57:45] <Ariri> Aye, these shaders are pretty
L388[09:59:50] <Ariri> Ohhh, mission control is how you do contracts
L389[10:03:25] <Ariri> Izaya, does this actually unlock me nothing but progression? https://lcars5201.ddns.net/index.php/s/XPwgZk6ALwF3J6W
L390[10:03:54] <Izaya> there's meant to be some NF stuff there, probably
L391[10:04:04] <Izaya> but yes on occasion there will be tech tree nodes with no contents x_x
L392[10:04:07] <Izaya> there is a mod for that
L393[10:04:19] <Izaya> the 1.11 version isn't on CKAN yet though
L394[10:04:27] <Ariri> Ah, ok
L395[10:05:21] <Izaya> https://github.com/Orthethac/HideEmptyTechTreeNodes/releases/tag/v1.3.0-alpha
L396[10:06:06] <Ariri> Does it just hide it visually or make it so science isn't spent to progress past it?
L397[10:06:29] <Izaya> removes the node so you don't have to get it
L398[10:06:41] <Izaya> and if you already did get it, you can set it up to redistribute the science
L399[10:06:55] <ThePi​Guy24> science™️
L400[10:07:16] <Ariri> Sweet. Just drop the extracted folder in GameData, presumably?
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L406[11:22:02] <Izaya> https://fedi.absturztau.be/media/ff65d06597a8a350aecfe9cd70aa6118f900cc31b9558c59314dd59b7f1ae060.jpg
L407[11:22:05] <Izaya> cc dequbed
L408[11:41:16] <Shuud​oushi> Wtf Izaya lol
L409[11:41:28] <Izaya> are you not amused?
L410[11:41:56] <Shuud​oushi> I'm highly amused, that's the problem lol
L411[11:42:25] <Izaya> I like pictures like that because if you don't understand it's just words put together
L412[11:45:01] <dequbed> Izaya: I don't understand but I have the /acute/ feeling I don't *want* to understand.
L413[11:45:06] <dequbed> That's a porn thing, isn't it? <.<
L414[11:45:22] <Izaya> <.< >.> Noooooooo...
L415[11:46:37] <Forec​aster> woo, my new HUD for my grinding drone is working https://tinyurl.com/y6smja78
L416[11:47:16] <Vexatos> @Forecaster I figured out a solution to the problem of being able to disassemble creative tablets
L417[11:47:17] <dequbed> Ariri: Also girl it's ON! :D Kinda regret giving the Mun lander the same fuel setup as the Minmus one otherwise I could have gotten to Mun poles on the first launch :<
L418[11:47:59] <Forec​aster> Vexatos: what's that?
L419[11:48:10] <Vexatos> @Forecaster don't give out creative tablets to players :)
L420[11:48:18] <dequbed> Izaya: ... what is booru?
L421[11:48:29] <Vexatos> why would they need it
L422[11:48:50] <Izaya> boorus are image indexing sites
L423[11:48:54] <Izaya> notable for tag search
L424[11:49:01] <dequbed> Ah
L425[11:49:08] <Vexatos> can creative tablets even be used by non-creative-mode players?
L426[11:49:18] <Vexatos> because creative computers certainly can't be opened or broken by them
L427[11:49:40] <Vexatos> if you need creative-only stuff they should instead communicate with a creative server somewhere that cannot be accessed by them,
L428[11:49:56] <Forec​aster> I never said anything about giving them out to anyone
L429[11:50:24] <Vexatos> From what I read you can actually disassemble them to get creative tablet cases out of them
L430[11:50:33] <Vexatos> which can probably be seen as a bug
L431[11:51:02] <Forec​aster> I don't think so, like you said, non-creative players probably can't use them anyway
L432[11:51:28] <Vexatos> the tablet disassembly recipe seems to have no check for which tier the tablet is
L433[11:51:37] <Vexatos> meaning it'd disassemble any tablet just fine
L434[11:52:01] <Vexatos> so I guess just don't give people creative tablets, just like you shouldn't give them debug cards .-.
L435[11:53:02] <Forec​aster> which they can't use
L436[11:53:12] <Vexatos> unless you first register it to yourself
L437[11:53:16] <Vexatos> in which case
L438[11:53:19] <Vexatos> good job
L439[12:03:02] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L440[12:03:02] <MichiBot> Zounderkite! Forec​aster! You beat bau​en1's previous record of 2 hours, 26 minutes and 27 seconds (By 32 minutes and 51 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L441[12:03:03] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 2 hours, 59 minutes and 18 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.00165 (0.00055 x 3) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #4. Need 0.01256 more points to pass ThePi​Guy24!
L442[12:33:46] <Izaya> bad_at_vijya: https://github.com/ShadowKatStudios/OpenSolidState/issues/5
L443[12:33:47] <MichiBot> Title: how to download | Posted by: anton3312578859 | Posted: Sun Jan 17 09:57:26 UTC 2021 | Status: open
L444[12:51:38] <Amanda> Vampyre, dequbed: This should work now: https://nc.ddna.co/s/BnK9Pc9QnrjGmcp
L445[13:16:29] <Saphire> Arrgghghg
L446[13:16:37] * Saphire chokes steam
L447[13:17:35] <Forec​aster> squeezing a gas is difficult
L448[13:26:48] <Vampyre> Amanda, looking good so far, little bit of turning in the straight up part is fine though
L449[13:27:50] <Vampyre> next step is throttle control, you are going a bit too fast through lower atmos ;-)
L450[13:28:29] <Vampyre> full till you reach mach 1, then trottle back until at around 15km or so, then throttle back up
L451[13:28:38] <Amanda> what speed should it be going? I might work on that next
L452[13:28:45] <Amanda> what's mach 1 in m/s?
L453[13:28:52] <Vampyre> round 350m/s
L454[13:29:19] <Vampyre> the moment you see the white shockcones you're going to fast, atleast that was my orientationpoint
L455[13:30:38] <Amanda> ... I get the feeling I'd have to learn how the pid stuff works to do accurate throttle control
L456[13:30:52] <Amanda> and that's scary maths
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L458[13:32:03] <Amanda> KSP has different science heights, right? What were they again? I'll do a minor orbital tour around kerbin and gather some more science,and hopefully some needed funds.
L459[13:32:05] <Vampyre> the circle burn is beautiful ;-)
L460[13:32:29] <Vampyre> the further you go out, the more science you get I think
L461[13:33:02] <Amanda> fuck. I'm too poor to launch this rocket.
L462[13:33:07] <Vampyre> or you mean different heights to do science at? then also, yes I think
L463[13:33:12] <Vampyre> also different biomes
L464[13:33:35] <Amanda> yeah there's different specific heights to do science at. (Or rather, different specificc ranges)
L465[13:33:41] <Amanda> guessI'll check the wiki
L466[13:34:34] <Vampyre> lot's changed probably since I played it, so I'm likely talking bs ;-)
L467[13:36:13] <Amanda> looks like the magic number is 250km
L468[13:47:17] <Amanda> right then, let's rescue someone from orbit to get some more funds.
L469[13:51:42] <Amanda> aaaand the boosters are attached wrong
L470[13:53:13] <Amanda> I should have used a modular design from the start
L471[14:05:34] <Amanda> well then. My straight-to-orbit circulisation burn doesn't work for a moderate orbit of 85k it seems
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L473[14:10:01] <Amanda> I guess while I wait for that, I'll see if I can figure out wtf pid loops are for
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L479[14:56:09] <dequbed> Amanda: Random question but would you be interested in designing a launcher together? :p
L480[14:56:34] <Amanda> dequbed: not sure how much I can contribute, my process is very much "throw the explody-end down"
L481[14:56:58] <dequbed> Basically a "N metric tonnes to 100km/1 orbit attach your payload to this fairing plate here" rocket
L482[14:58:01] <Amanda> I started on a more modular BR5 but don't have the money to test it yet. Plan to use it to go on a science safari around kerbin once I rescue this kerbel
L483[14:58:22] <Amanda> I'll get some screenshots next time I can access the VAB
L484[14:59:08] <Amanda> should probably move on from the second-smallest rocket width though
L485[14:59:26] <Izaya> So are we counting a manned landing as more impressive than an unmanned landing of the mun?
L486[14:59:27] <dequbed> Huh? what for? I made mun launches with 1.24
L487[14:59:32] <dequbed> 1.25m*
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L489[15:00:00] <dequbed> Izaya: Hm not necessarily. Crewed just gives more science
L490[15:00:02] <Amanda> your rockets are also probably better designed than mine. :P
L491[15:00:20] <dequbed> Amanda: Well yes maybe but still, going bigger in width has it's own drawbacks
L492[15:01:28] <Amanda> maybe I should swap out the gimble'd lower-stage engine on BR4 with a non-gimbled one, since it's got control fins for when it's made it to that stage
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L494[15:02:10] <dequbed> Amanda: The Reliant is generally the better choice than the Valiant(?) because the gimbaled one is just that much heavier.
L495[15:02:19] <dequbed> So yes, try it :p
L496[15:04:20] <Amanda> let's see how this goes.
L497[15:09:45] <dequbed> Vampyre: FFS go download the pack already and join us :p
L498[15:11:02] <dequbed> Vampyre: Also random sidenote but there is literally zero chance you can get no mach shock cones when launching a rocket unless you do a *very* bad ascent profile :p
L499[15:13:38] <Amanda> especially since the boosters themselves get me to like 4-500m/s before they burn out. at least on that mode
L500[15:14:19] <dequbed> Izaya: Are we Mun yet?
L501[15:14:28] <Izaya> no I only just booted up the game
L502[15:14:57] <ThePi​Guy24> next challenge after Mun: Daves house
L503[15:17:44] <Vampyre> heh, ok ok, dequbed, what pack are we playing?
L504[15:18:11] <Vampyre> hope this will not cut too much into coding time... I know myself ;-)
L505[15:18:26] <dequbed> Vampyre: https://minecraft.shadowkat.net/spacerace.ckan
L506[15:19:41] <dequbed> Vampyre: You will need to set compatible KSP versions to 1.9, 1.10 and 1.11 in the CKAN settings
L507[15:22:15] <Vampyre> you all are on 1.11 right?
L508[15:22:21] <Vampyre> need to update KSP first
L509[15:22:21] <dequbed> Yes
L510[15:22:32] <dequbed> DLCs are not required but I have them installed
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L514[15:28:12] <Vampyre> dequbed, I get an error about missing NearFutureConstruction on ckan?
L515[15:28:31] <Izaya> You will need to set compatible KSP versions to 1.9, 1.10 and 1.11 in the CKAN settings
L516[15:28:34] <Amanda> that's why you need to tell ckan to use 1.9, 1.10, and 1.11
L517[15:28:45] <Vampyre> ah, ok, missed that, sorry
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L519[15:29:50] <bad at​ vijya> Izaya: enabled btrfs compression on my home folder and got fuckin
L520[15:29:54] <bad at​ vijya> 72% CR
L521[15:30:00] <Izaya> noice
L522[15:33:54] <Vampyre> alright, almost done
L523[15:34:05] <Vampyre> last time I played I remember trying to build planes when they came out first... rage quit after a month of failure or so ;-)
L524[15:34:14] <Vampyre> let's see if I can do a bit better
L525[15:34:33] <dequbed> Izaya: I'm debating installing FAR. Do you feel like that would invalidate the challenge?
L526[15:35:05] <Izaya> I mean, on one hand, FAR is probably "harder" to do right
L527[15:35:08] <Izaya> but also, you're used to it
L528[15:35:11] <Izaya> so eh
L529[15:35:13] <Izaya> you do you
L530[15:36:51] <bad at​ vijya> Izaya: expansions didn't load. sad.
L531[15:42:13] <bad at​ vijya> well
L532[15:42:18] <bad at​ vijya> i can almost spawn in the Carman
L533[15:42:23] <bad at​ vijya> i just don't have the Carman's cockpit
L534[15:45:49] <bad at​ vijya> https://spacedock.info/mod/716/Airplane%20Plus btw this is the mod i was talking about with the turboprops and whatnot
L535[15:45:57] <bad at​ vijya> need co-axle prop
L536[15:46:31] <Izaya> this script was not written with low-TWR rockets in mind
L537[15:46:37] <Izaya> if it's <2 the timing ends up all wonky
L538[15:49:07] <dequbed> Imagine having a TWR > 2 :p
L539[15:49:30] <Izaya> imagine having a TWR < 2
L540[15:49:47] <dequbed> Hey, I rarely get above 1.8 for my first stage <.<
L541[15:49:49] <ThePi​Guy24> imagine having a TWR > 0
L542[15:50:21] <bad at​ vijya> imagine not having a 3.0 TWR
L543[15:50:30] <bad at​ vijya> this post was made my nuclear jet engines gang
L544[15:53:21] <bad at​ vijya> god
L545[15:53:33] <bad at​ vijya> now i have to engineer a new flagship aircraft
L546[15:55:22] <dequbed> Izaya: kOS scripts are saved in the craft file, aren't they? So I could provide a launch script with a lifter?
L547[15:55:50] <Izaya> they're saved in craft in the world, but not craft files themselves
L548[15:56:14] <dequbed> How would I go about sharing a kOS script then?
L549[15:56:51] <Izaya> Grab it from your archive
L550[15:56:59] <Izaya> KSP/Ships/Script
L551[15:57:38] <bad at​ vijya> wtf
L552[15:57:45] <bad at​ vijya> where's the mk1 cargo bay
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L554[16:01:51] <bad at​ vijya> >try to place rotor
L555[16:01:56] <bad at​ vijya> >game shits itself
L556[16:01:57] <bad at​ vijya> [x] nice
L557[16:02:00] <bad at​ vijya> glad i'm testing this now
L558[16:03:14] <cranbe​rryjam> i offence you viija
L559[16:03:32] <bad at​ vijya> Izaya: yeah if i mouse servos or rotors over my craft, they get placed down. repeatedly.
L560[16:03:45] <Izaya> neat
L561[16:03:45] <bad at​ vijya> [sad tomcat noises]
L562[16:04:02] <cranbe​rryjam> https://tinyurl.com/y32txose
L563[16:04:02] <cranbe​rryjam> lol
L564[16:04:07] <bad at​ vijya> what
L565[16:04:24] <cranbe​rryjam> first offence 24-h ban
L566[16:04:32] <cranbe​rryjam> i offence you vijya
L567[16:04:34] <bad at​ vijya> what
L568[16:04:48] <cranbe​rryjam> nothing
L569[16:06:06] <Va​ur> %tonk
L570[16:06:06] <MichiBot> Yeah! Va​ur! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of 2 hours, 59 minutes and 18 seconds (By 1 hour, 3 minutes and 45 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L571[16:06:07] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 4 hours, 3 minutes and 4 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.00318 (0.00106 x 3) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #1.
L572[16:06:55] <bad at​ vijya> wtf
L573[16:06:59] <bad at​ vijya> there's no scale tweaker
L574[16:08:07] <bad at​ vijya> well
L575[16:08:22] <bad at​ vijya> the nuclear engines look rather odd on the funny triangle plane
L576[16:12:50] <bad at​ vijya> fuck it
L577[16:12:58] <bad at​ vijya> funny triangle plane doesn't get nuclear engines
L578[16:15:59] <bad at​ vijya> why is my plane so unstable i ask
L579[16:16:07] <bad at​ vijya> is it because of my lack of vertical stabilizers?
L580[16:16:09] <bad at​ vijya> of course not
L581[16:16:14] <bad at​ vijya> it's because of my lack of canards
L582[16:18:08] <bad at​ vijya> today in sam makes cursed shit
L583[16:18:35] <bad at​ vijya> https://tinyurl.com/y4x7seon
L584[16:18:35] <bad at​ vijya> https://tinyurl.com/y5swxvjh
L585[16:19:15] <bad at​ vijya> i need to increase the angle of the wing tips
L586[16:19:32] <ThePi​Guy24> best triangle plane https://tinyurl.com/y22px2x5
L587[16:19:54] <Vampyre> alrighty, easy difficulty right?
L588[16:19:55] <bad at​ vijya> 8/10 not the Mir3V
L589[16:20:12] <Amanda> easy with commnet turned on
L590[16:20:13] <Izaya> easy with commnet
L591[16:20:13] <Vampyre> let's rocket...
L592[16:20:19] <Izaya> more fun that way
L593[16:23:01] <bad at​ vijya> mach 4 in atmosphere with the funny unstable triangle
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L597[16:38:53] <Michiyo> lol, was someone trying to backseat moderate?
L598[16:39:21] <bad at​ vijya> i have no clue
L599[16:40:19] <Michiyo> heh...
L600[16:40:25] <Michiyo> Fuck that, I say.
L601[16:41:34] <bad at​ vijya> what do they mean they offence me
L602[16:42:33] <Izaya> do you feel offended?
L603[16:42:37] <dequbed> @"bad at vijya" I feel like they took offence to you using the word 'shit'?
L604[16:42:58] <bad at​ vijya> hmm
L605[16:43:13] <Amanda> I parsed it as they thught the grammer was bad, but AFAICT it's fine?
L606[16:44:52] <ThePi​Guy24> i am very offenceeded
L607[16:45:00] <Michiyo> I'm assuming since they quoted the "First offence = ban" thing they're trying to say something you said violated some rule. Only thing I can even think of is 4... which you said "shits" oh nooooo
L608[16:45:28] <dequbed> @cranberryjam well in that case shit fuck cunt pussy penis vagina get the fuck out.
L609[16:45:40] <Michiyo> If we were gonna ban someone for cursing Shuu and I would be long gone.
L610[16:45:46] <Michiyo> Shuu for sure. :P
L611[16:48:00] <bad at​ vijya> heh
L612[16:48:08] <Amanda> dequbed: still waiting to see if it's a script problem, but it seems it might need a gimble engine after all
L613[16:48:14] <bad at​ vijya> this is where i'm least profane
L614[16:48:16] <bad at​ vijya> well
L615[16:48:20] <bad at​ vijya> in terms of being on discord
L616[16:48:26] <Amanda> or maybe I should add some reaction whels.
L617[16:48:44] <bad at​ vijya> anyways, time to redesign the Carman
L618[16:50:36] <Michiyo> I've went on a number of expletive filled rants, usually about Java being a worthless pile of shit.
L619[16:50:46] <Michiyo> But sometimes about my co-workers being worthless piles of shit too
L620[16:51:17] <Dan​ieI> Is there an opencomputers that allows robots to program other robots
L621[16:51:19] <Dan​ieI> >:)
L622[16:51:25] <Dan​ieI> i want a von neumman machine
L623[16:51:58] <Izaya> Amanda, dequbed: protip for building H2-based upper stages: full H2 shiny foil tanks and those green and white external LOX tanks
L624[16:52:02] <Amanda> someone's working on that, I think it was @Kristopher38 ?
L625[16:52:17] <Kristo​pher38> ye
L626[16:52:31] <Izaya> DanieI: I mean, it's doable with the tools you have already
L627[16:52:44] <Dan​ieI> wait, it is?
L628[16:52:52] <Kristo​pher38> it's certainly possible on peaceful recipe set
L629[16:53:32] <Kristo​pher38> with standard recipe set there are things that you can't get without players at least being present, i.e. enderpearls which are a must
L630[16:53:51] <Kristo​pher38> but otherwise nothing is stopping you software-wise
L631[16:53:57] <Dan​ieI> :0
L632[16:54:03] <Dan​ieI> how do I program a robot from another robot
L633[16:54:07] <bad at​ vijya> what the fuck
L634[16:54:12] <Dan​ieI> I assume I would need some kind of self sufficient OS on a floppy
L635[16:54:18] <Dan​ieI> that one robots inserts into the ot hert
L636[16:54:23] <Dan​ieI> that one robots inserts into the other [Edited]
L637[16:54:24] <Dan​ieI> after duplicating it
L638[16:54:35] <bad at​ vijya> Izaya: why does this modpack make the pointy swept structural wing disappear
L639[16:54:52] <Dan​ieI> Is this kerbal space program or did minecraft get a lot cooler
L640[16:55:01] <Izaya> dequbed: on a scale of 1 to why, how suicidal is landing on the mun without orbiting
L641[16:55:25] <Dan​ieI> time it right and its a suicide burn
L642[16:55:32] <Dan​ieI> which is actually a cool thing
L643[16:56:00] <dequbed> Izaya: Do you have the dV in your lander stage to do that?
L644[16:56:08] <Izaya> ... Maybe.
L645[16:56:26] <Izaya> I'm not 100% sure, honestly.
L646[16:56:51] <Izaya> my dV map doesn't have a "suicide lithobraking landing" option on it :D
L647[16:57:03] <Dan​ieI> think about it logically
L648[16:57:10] <Kristo​pher38> yeah, you can either insert a floppy and make the robot autorun it, or have the robot receive software with a wireless network card, or preinstall all the software on a hard drive before assembling the robot
L649[16:57:22] <dequbed> If you have the dV and the thrust to get from mun escape velocity to 0 before you do a lithobrake then it's a 1 on the suicidal scale really.
L650[16:57:30] <Dan​ieI> breaking into an orbit is just half the burn you would do if you were suiciding
L651[16:57:47] <Dan​ieI> so you need enough dv to break into an orbit
L652[16:57:53] <Dan​ieI> plus enough to get from orbit to surface
L653[16:58:06] <dequbed> But you don't get to split your lander and orbiter that easily so coming back may be more expensive depending on your envelope
L654[16:59:06] <dequbed> Izaya: But yeah it's just all the dV's on your map added together, it's not significantly cheaper than doing a capture and orbit first
L655[16:59:35] <Dan​ieI> you get style points tho
L656[17:00:55] <Izaya> excuse me while I lick the mun's mountains as I go past to claim them
L657[17:03:04] <Amanda> is there actualy any point to the floatation devices? I've never noticed any problem with my stuff sinking, at least
L658[17:03:40] <Michiyo> I've seen stuff sink, but it's fairly rare
L659[17:03:42] <Izaya> presumably it's for floating bases and stuff
L660[17:03:48] <Izaya> Lathe and etc.
L661[17:04:09] <Amanda> ah
L662[17:04:15] <Izaya> also, the airbags
L663[17:04:18] <Izaya> right
L664[17:04:25] <Izaya> they're just a poor man's airbrake
L665[17:05:19] <Izaya> hi I'd like to report a murder https://imgur.com/rAYEAJT.png
L666[17:09:04] <bad at​ vijya> // WARNING: Plane Posting \\
L667[17:09:09] <bad at​ vijya> fucking hell discord
L668[17:09:26] <bad at​ vijya> https://tinyurl.com/yxbgxbge
L669[17:09:27] <bad at​ vijya> https://tinyurl.com/y3plqvce
L670[17:09:28] <bad at​ vijya> https://tinyurl.com/y2yxyh87
L671[17:09:30] <bad at​ vijya> https://tinyurl.com/y2pszskb
L672[17:09:40] <bad at​ vijya> https://tinyurl.com/y6xuprue
L673[17:09:45] <bad at​ vijya> https://tinyurl.com/y6rvyelw
L674[17:10:37] <Ariri> gives me Klingon bird-of-prey vibes
L675[17:13:49] <Izaya> > end up in Mun orbit
L676[17:13:58] <Izaya> > during a new moon
L677[17:16:08] <Ariri> Nice
L678[17:16:34] <bad at​ vijya> it's inspired by the Su-47 Berkut and the ADFX-01 Morgan :P
L679[17:16:51] <bad at​ vijya> this is the CI-101B Carman-B
L680[17:17:15] <bad at​ vijya> the Carman-A looks like this https://tinyurl.com/y2og4rm5
L681[17:17:17] <bad at​ vijya> https://tinyurl.com/y45e7wu8
L682[17:17:25] <bad at​ vijya> and i'm not sure which i like more
L683[17:17:30] <Ariri> I could tell it had hints of the second, but the wing design and long 'neck' also remind me of the BOP. Just need a few phasers and bloodwine warheads
L684[17:18:12] <Ariri> I wish plane parts had a black variant so I could make an SR-71
L685[17:18:31] <bad at​ vijya> yeah but all i need to do is make a MIRV and then i can finally, legally say
L686[17:18:38] <bad at​ vijya> << It's time. >>
L687[17:20:33] <bad at​ vijya> KSP had a stroke when i tried to PSM
L688[17:20:34] <bad at​ vijya> :(
L689[17:23:53] <Amanda> jeb! Get out of that rocket right meow! This is meant ot be take 23423 of a rescue mission!
L690[17:24:57] <Ariri> We can't be taking another 25000 takes for this scene like we did for the fake Mun landing
L691[17:26:29] <Thim​ithy> why is the mineos not working on 1.7.5 os
L692[17:26:37] <Bad​ware> ^^
L693[17:27:15] <Michiyo> We're not MineOS support.
L694[17:27:23] <Ariri> ^^
L695[17:27:25] <Michiyo> most of us have never used MineOS.
L696[17:27:25] <Bad​ware> where is mineos suport then?
L697[17:27:35] <Michiyo> Wherever the devs of MineOS hang out.
L698[17:27:40] <Michiyo> Which isn't here.
L699[17:27:47] <Thim​ithy> where is ut
L700[17:27:48] <Ariri> Check their page, it'll probably have info there
L701[17:27:49] <Thim​ithy> it
L702[17:27:56] <Michiyo> Somewhere else?
L703[17:27:59] <Bad​ware> ok ok ok sorry dont bite my nose of...
L704[17:28:04] <Michiyo> ...
L705[17:28:17] <Amanda> whoops. That was an amusing script bug. It'd turn west until it got to the height it's meant to start the turn at.
L706[17:28:26] <Bad​ware> Alright i will try that.
L707[17:28:54] <Bad​ware> sadly this is the only page we could find: https://oc.cil.li/topic/711-mineos-powerful-desktop-environment-for-openos/
L708[17:29:10] <Bad​ware> so you can see how we got this discord ivite
L709[17:29:27] <Amanda> Troubleshooting:
L710[17:29:27] <Amanda> Are there any problems, suggestions? I'll be glad to see you on the operating system repository:
L711[17:29:27] <Amanda> https://github.com/IgorTimofeev/MineOS
L712[17:29:27] * Ariri inserts 'if ship:cool { do a barrel roll. }
L713[17:29:47] <i develo​p things> you do have a fully specced out T3 computer, right? i.e. T3 CPU, T3 GPU, 2xT3.5 RAM?
L714[17:29:50] <Ariri> s/}/} into Amanda's script
L715[17:29:50] <MichiBot> * Ariri inserts 'if ship:cool { do a barrel roll. } into Amanda's script
L716[17:30:41] <Amanda> Ariri: plese,I have no ide what I did but the rescue craft can't even make it to orbit. I think it may be because of the TWR being <2 like Izaya mentioned his script that I based mine off of has problems with
L717[17:31:08] <Amanda> ripped out some safety cords and it's at a TWR of 2.0 now, let's see if that's enough
L718[17:31:46] <Amanda> Well, that's not right: Waiting until T+46854.9998903617
L719[17:32:22] <Ariri> If that doesn't work, try the 10deg/100m/s thing. My script got into orbit with on a low TWR craft
L720[17:32:36] <Ariri> Did keep firing the engine because I don't know how to turn it off though
L721[17:33:26] <Bad​ware> btw its working now, thank you guys, yur the best
L722[17:33:29] <Bad​ware> its now downloading
L723[17:33:39] <Thim​ithy> thanks
L724[17:33:55] <Izaya> dequbed: will I be able to get back to Kerbin with 555m/s dV on the surface of the Mun?
L725[17:34:29] <dequbed> no
L726[17:35:00] <dequbed> You need 860 just to escape from Mun's SOI
L727[17:35:04] <Ariri> Need at least 900 or so, including aerobrake
L728[17:35:05] <Izaya> Hm.
L729[17:35:08] <Izaya> Moonbase it is.
L730[17:35:09] <bad at​ vijya> carman b can now into space
L731[17:35:45] <dequbed> Izaya: Actually
L732[17:35:54] <Ariri> I needed 970m/s, as I had just over a 1000 and ended up with 77 reserve
L733[17:36:14] <dequbed> Izaya: You remember how just not existing heating effects are on easy? Do you particularly care about your kerbals?
L734[17:36:32] <Izaya> They're in the reentry pod
L735[17:36:37] <Vampyre> is there a fix for your craft dissapearing after switching to map and back?
L736[17:36:49] <Ariri> Is it disappearing, or zoomed out?
L737[17:37:02] <dequbed> Izaya: No I mean are you afraid of them suing you for damages for cruel and unusual punishment?
L738[17:37:28] <Izaya> We don't do that here.
L739[17:37:40] <Vampyre> dissapearing
L740[17:37:43] <dequbed> Izaya: 555m/s gets you almost to orbit. EVA back from there
L741[17:37:53] <Vampyre> and now it reappeared again
L742[17:37:56] <Vampyre> weird
L743[17:39:00] <dequbed> If you play with the apoapsis a bit (I'd say 65km for a start) they will "survive" repeated aerobrakes and with the addition of personal 'shutes you should be able to land them
L744[17:41:12] <Ariri> I'm personally rooting for Munbase with rover and stuff for science
L745[17:41:25] <Ariri> Non-optional kolonization
L746[17:42:51] <Ariri> Is there a way to refill a parachute in-flight or once landed?
L747[17:43:21] <Vampyre> I think a kerbel can do that
L748[17:44:18] <Ariri> Engineer, or any kerbal?
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L750[17:45:52] <Izaya> dequbed: I can't EVA yet.
L751[17:46:02] <dequbed> Izaya: oh. Moon base it is.
L752[17:46:04] <Izaya> But I like the way you think :D
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L754[17:46:20] <Ariri> Do you not have the funds to upgrade the astro complex?
L755[17:46:24] <dequbed> I mean upgrading the kerbonaut center is cheap ;P
L756[17:46:28] <Izaya> Didn't bother until then tbh
L757[17:46:47] <Izaya> well
L758[17:46:50] <Izaya> I got some fun screenshots
L759[17:46:53] <dequbed> Well you can still do it and the Kerbs magically get the equipment and training to EVA even on Eeloo ;)
L760[17:46:54] <Izaya> but I might revert
L761[17:47:05] <Izaya> and aim to actually have the dV to get home
L762[17:47:40] <Ariri> Amanda, how'd you see your TWR?
L763[17:48:15] <dequbed> Ariri: Do yourself a favour and get used to slapping a Kerbal Engineer Redux PCB on *everything* you build. It's under science and the single most useful item in there.
L764[17:48:41] <Ariri> Okie
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L766[17:49:36] <Ariri> Good thing we're playing easy, else my first ever Mun landing would probably not have worked
L767[17:49:46] <Ariri> 6k dV cut it real close
L768[17:59:55] <Izaya> s-stick it in the service bay
L769[18:00:02] <Vampyre> ok, got my rocket number #2, let me try and record this
L770[18:00:58] <bad at​ vijya> did i ever post my near-space carman screenshot?
L771[18:05:10] <Ariri> Not to my knowledge
L772[18:07:37] <bad at​ vijya> soon™️
L773[18:07:42] <bad at​ vijya> i'll have an in-space carman
L774[18:09:53] <bad at​ vijya> i uh
L775[18:09:58] <bad at​ vijya> may have gone a bit overkill on my orbit
L776[18:10:38] <bad at​ vijya> https://tinyurl.com/y6neu67e
L777[18:10:38] <bad at​ vijya> https://tinyurl.com/yxj3hkmj
L778[18:10:39] <bad at​ vijya> https://tinyurl.com/yy4wxywu
L779[18:11:13] <Ariri> at-mun carman when
L780[18:11:51] <bad at​ vijya> with a better pilot? sometime
L781[18:12:27] <dequbed> Izaya / Ariri / Amanda / Vampyre: Anyway, here's a 12t lifter to LKO (100km orbit with ~1 eccentricity). Carries up to 12t (simulated by fuel tanks under the fairing) and costs 24,187 with out fairing or payload. Anybody interested? :p
L782[18:12:50] <dequbed> https://i.imgur.com/Wcx46l9.png w/o payload and fairing
L783[18:12:59] <Ariri> When you say it like that, you don't have to ask
L784[18:13:22] <Ariri> :o neat
L785[18:13:26] <dequbed> It's based on 1.8m so you will have to have that researched though
L786[18:14:03] <Ariri> I went to the Mun without much tech, but I got a whole load on the return so I might have nearly everything I need
L787[18:14:18] <dequbed> Also it's is probably slightly cheaper than 24k because you can add parachutes for the StageRecovery mod to kick in
L788[18:14:42] <Amanda> sure
L789[18:14:42] <Izaya> I should do an unmanned Mun landing
L790[18:14:45] <Ariri> I need to figure out how to use that mod
L791[18:14:46] <Izaya> this is probably more practical
L792[18:15:15] <Ariri> https://lcars5201.ddns.net/index.php/s/x9KaeBS2Nf735qH was my Mun craft, if that gives any indication
L793[18:15:16] <bad at​ vijya> oh
L794[18:15:16] <dequbed> Izaya: Fun fact: 12t was the chosen weight because that is how much my space station assembled weighs :p
L795[18:15:25] <Izaya> excellent
L796[18:15:25] <bad at​ vijya> if you run out of electric charge
L797[18:15:28] <bad at​ vijya> you can't use SAS
L798[18:15:33] <Amanda> don't think I've got all those engines unlocked yet though
L799[18:15:43] <Izaya> Ariri: wow that's a lot
L800[18:15:55] <Izaya> t. couldn't get home
L801[18:16:05] <Ariri> I wanted to use big explosions
L802[18:16:47] <Ariri> Also not actual 6.7k dV, I staged earlier on low throttle so it's like 6.2k at the most
L803[18:16:52] <dequbed> Amanda: LV-TK7 'Kodiak' clusters on the boosters, LV-TX87 'Bobcat' as main engine, CE-18 'Pavonis' for circularization engine
L804[18:17:11] <Amanda> None ofthose ring a bell
L805[18:17:46] <Ariri> I think it's one of the third-level unlocks
L806[18:17:51] <dequbed> Lemme check that
L807[18:18:05] <dequbed> I can probably replace the engines but that will cut into payload
L808[18:18:29] <Ariri> LH2/Ox flames are pretty
L809[18:18:44] <Vampyre> https://winaoe.org/ksp/KSP1.mp4
L810[18:19:05] <Vampyre> not too bad I hope ;-)
L811[18:19:26] <dequbed> Amanda: It's "Heavier Rocketry" on the 160 science level for the Kodiak cluster and "Heavy Rocketry" (the one before) on the 80 level(?) for the other two
L812[18:19:27] <bad at​ vijya> btw i'm not really doing the spess race
L813[18:19:33] <bad at​ vijya> i'm just fucking around with all the fancy mods
L814[18:21:29] <dequbed> Vampyre: I tried orbit with fleas only for my first launch. Failed ;p
L815[18:26:18] <Ariri> Clean insertion too
L816[18:27:39] <Ariri> %choose make Mun base with multiple launches for payloads or temporary landing with rover
L817[18:27:40] <MichiBot> Ar​iri: If I had a gold nugget for every time someone asked me about "temporary landing with rover"
L818[18:28:50] <Ariri> Will MichiBot ever finish the statement? I must know
L819[18:29:12] <Optional o​pt = null;> every single time I look here people are discussing KSP...
L820[18:29:25] <dequbed> Then you don't look very often.
L821[18:29:35] <Forec​aster> Ariri that is the entire statement :P
L822[18:31:20] <Optional o​pt = null;> now I think I should try and do something in career mode
L823[18:32:26] <Vampyre> ha, second launch of that rocket, ending on 77k / 74k :-)
L824[18:33:06] <Vampyre> dequbed, I wonder if that's possible at all with just fleas ;-)
L825[18:34:05] <dequbed> Vampyre: Barely made it. 80/40 I think
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L827[18:35:38] <dequbed> s/made it/didn't make it/
L828[18:35:38] <MichiBot> <dequbed> Vampyre: Barely didn't make it. 80/40 I think
L829[18:35:42] <Ariri> One Pollux and 3 Fleas for geo stat
L830[18:36:17] <Ariri> ez pz
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L833[18:39:10] <Forec​aster> okay, time to actually do some factory development
L834[18:40:28] <Vampyre> annndd I overshot the KSP... we got a Jeb in the water, I repeat, Jeb is in the water!
L835[18:40:38] <dequbed> Amanda: Okay with the Reliant as Boosters I can get 10t to 100km LKO with about 440m/s spare so that will work too. Let me check if that covers all the tanks too though.
L836[18:41:29] <Sagh​etti> boo
L837[18:41:51] <dequbed> Amanda: Do you have Advanced Fuel Systems? <.<
L838[18:42:09] <Sagh​etti> just checking in to say i'm still alive
L839[18:42:10] <Amanda> dequbed: not sure? Will check after this launch attempt
L840[18:42:17] <Sagh​etti> and happy (late) newyears
L841[18:42:37] <dequbed> I still don't get why KSP gates different lenght of the same size fuel tanks between different research >.>
L842[18:44:09] <Ariri> happy late new years, it's about time you made it to 2021
L843[18:44:47] <Forec​aster> this is happy new year for 2019 right?
L844[18:45:14] <dequbed> Amanda / Ariri / Izaya: https://cloud.chaosfield.at/s/EMqQaq7gEXodycy I'll add all craft files in that folder
L845[18:46:46] <Ariri> Roger that roger
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L847[18:48:54] <bauen1> %tonk
L848[18:48:54] <MichiBot> I'm sorry bauen1, you were not able to beat Vaur's record of 4 hours, 3 minutes and 4 seconds this time. 2 hours, 42 minutes and 47 seconds were wasted! Missed by 1 hour, 20 minutes and 16 seconds!
L849[18:49:05] <SAMURAI> Hi?
L850[18:49:10] <dequbed> Amanda: Also the "9_95t lifter" is the 10t lifter but without the Adv. Fuel Systems tanks so it should be easier to get.
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L853[18:50:55] <Amanda> nope,no adv. fuel systems
L854[18:51:31] <dequbed> Okay but you should still be able to load the 9.95t lifter
L855[18:52:30] <dequbed> I should however probably write a kOS script to launch these. They are cutting it very close at the rated payloads and aren't exactly trivial to launch then.
L856[18:53:04] <Amanda> damn "Contains locked or invalid parts"
L857[18:53:10] <Michiyo> @Forecaster let me know if anything is broken with 1.0.2
L858[18:53:53] <Forec​aster> I'm reconfiguring the hardware right now, then I'll get working on modifying the software to use the new system, then we'll see if things are working :>
L859[18:54:35] * Amanda decides to just throw another booster onto this thing, see if that makes it happy!?
L860[18:55:23] <Ariri> I'll make some lifters later and see if I can script them nicely with more basic parts
L861[18:56:05] <dequbed> Hm yeah we should probably make a library of sensible lifters for every tech level ^^'
L862[18:56:53] <Amanda> once I get this fucking rescue over with, I plan to do a science tour so I can unlock more stuff
L863[18:58:59] <Ariri> If you need quick science, the Orbiter A1 craft with a bit of science modding makes for a good hopper to reach desert and stuff
L864[18:59:34] <Ariri> Use like a Hammer or similar to reach highlands, mountains, and grassslands west of KSC
L865[19:03:06] <dequbed> Also the SCANSat missions give ridicolous amounts of bang for your buck and combined with outsourced R&D in administration that gives a bunch of science :P
L866[19:06:31] <Ariri> I only just realized yesterday there's a mission control for /missions/ and I thought they got removed or something
L867[19:06:43] <Amanda> is the order of pe/ap burns the same for all orbit changes? (Inc. and dec.)?
L868[19:08:45] <dequbed> Izaya: Hey do you know if when I have a contract for ResourceLoRes scan and I do a ResourceHiRes scan that still counts?
L869[19:09:00] <Izaya> no idea, sorry
L870[19:09:23] <Michiyo> @Forecaster the recipe for the reader may be broken, let me know if you can't craft it and I'll bash my head against it
L871[19:09:25] <Amanda> dequbed: judging form my contract progress: No
L872[19:10:29] <Forec​aster> Michiyo it's being registered correctly as far as I can tell https://tinyurl.com/yyj4ro6j
L873[19:10:36] <Forec​aster> NEI is showing it
L874[19:11:41] <Izaya> https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2021/01/2021-01-14-mpa.md
L875[19:12:15] <Amanda> dequbed: https://nc.ddna.co/s/Mi3nnM7Kcj8wwiN
L876[19:12:31] <Michiyo> Nice, thanks @"Forecaster", it doesn't register properly in dev, and I forgot to check it in release
L877[19:13:11] <dequbed> Amanda: Huh. Good to know. In that case DO ALL THE SCANs! :D
L878[19:13:33] <Izaya> consider also:
L879[19:13:47] <Izaya> the scanners are heavy enough to shift the CoM on small probes
L880[19:14:17] <dequbed> Oh yeah I'm plenty aware. All my scansats have in some way offset engines
L881[19:14:51] <Izaya> fancy
L882[19:14:56] <Izaya> I just shove two on em
L883[19:15:12] <Amanda> speaking of, looks like soon I'll be able to extract some science from my maps
L884[19:16:58] <dequbed> Izaya: https://i.imgur.com/4nXIKN8.png
L885[19:17:25] <Izaya> I hate this
L886[19:19:29] <dequbed> Izaya: For that reason alone I should do it :P
L887[19:24:36] <Ariri> I put mine in a service bay and point it down relative to hatch being up
L888[19:25:05] <Ariri> At least, the enhanced (second) scansat fits, idk about that monstrosity
L889[19:27:35] <Forec​aster> I barely know where to start with this...
L890[19:27:43] <Forec​aster> it's been so long since I worked on this stuff
L891[19:28:06] <dequbed> Vampyre: Are we Mun yet? :p
L892[19:28:38] <Vampyre> nope, am now playing virgin galactic : https://winaoe.org/ksp/KSP2.png
L893[19:29:00] <Vampyre> I mean it's completely safe to take tourists wit you on your 3rd flight, right?
L894[19:29:08] <Izaya> speaking of
L895[19:29:13] <Izaya> how's this for a video title
L896[19:29:16] <Izaya> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi-fBKK7nME
L897[19:29:16] <MichiBot> Virgin Reaches Orbit With The Help of Cosmic Girl | length: 10m 2s | Likes: 1,017 Dislikes: 4 Views: 10,110 | by Scott Manley | Published On 19/1/2021
L898[19:29:24] <Vampyre> lol
L899[19:29:35] <Vampyre> so many ways to interpet that
L900[19:29:50] <ThePi​Guy24> looks suspiciously like a title i would find on another site
L901[19:30:03] <Izaya> it does of course mean that the rocket launch was a success
L902[19:31:19] <dequbed> Izaya: Anyway what is this nyaa thing that was dmca'd? Do we care?
L903[19:31:38] <Izaya> dequbed: it's the software nyaa runs, it's a popular anime tracker
L904[19:32:12] <dequbed> I like your funny words magic man. Now say it in english.
L905[19:32:45] <Izaya> dequbed: it's software so you can run your own site for distributing linux ISOs in a peer-to-peer manner
L906[19:33:11] <dequbed> Great. Now say it in french :P
L907[19:33:18] <Izaya> I don't speak frog
L908[19:33:54] <dequbed> So I take that as a yes we do care to some extend and that DMCA like the last one has no merit.
L909[19:34:28] <ThePi​Guy24> jesus christ why is windows and windows software so fucking unoptimised
L910[19:34:34] <Izaya> there's like
L911[19:34:46] <Izaya> a little more justification than the youtube-dl one
L912[19:34:56] <Izaya> in that this one is actually related to software used for copyright liberation
L913[19:35:28] <Izaya> but it's still microsoft removing software from github at flimsy request
L914[19:35:38] <Forec​aster> https://store.steampowered.com/app/1479610/Planeta/
L915[19:35:40] <Forec​aster> neat
L916[19:37:09] <dequbed> Izaya: Well I mean it *is* a DMCA. If they don't honour it they are the ones on the hook.
L917[19:37:16] <ThePi​Guy24> i think there should be restrictions on whether copyright holders can strike depending on their revenue (but high enough to basically only restrict the capitalist scum that are large corporations)
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L919[19:40:26] <Ariri> At least Git stuff is completely free (apart from donations) so they aren't making money off of someone else's content, just their code
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L921[19:42:22] <dequbed> @ThePiGuy24 that makes no sense.
L922[19:42:47] <ThePi​Guy24> in what way?
L923[19:43:53] <dequbed> That it wouldn't help and just add an arbitrary rule for the sake of actionism.
L924[19:44:48] <ThePi​Guy24> it would stop those most likely to exploit copyright law from exploiting copyright law
L925[19:44:57] <dequbed> No it wouldn't
L926[19:47:51] <bad at​ vijya> well i have a mild fever
L927[19:49:23] <Amanda> They'd just do "creative accounting" to appear below the limit
L928[19:49:43] <dequbed> Or just found a new company with a revenue of 0. It costs pennies to do that.
L929[19:52:03] <Amanda> to match orbits for a rescue, when I'm higher, do I need to start burning ahead or behind the target?
L930[19:52:30] <dequbed> When you're higher you're slower. So you need to be ahead at the moment and then burn retrograde to match
L931[19:53:05] <Amanda> got it
L932[19:53:22] <Amanda> I wonder how hard it'd be to make a kOS script for this with my maths skills
L933[19:53:29] <dequbed> i.e. make a retrograde manouver node that intersects the target orbit, move it around until you get an intersect you like, burn, then warp to the intersect and burn to match vel
L934[19:54:24] <dequbed> Amanda: Eh. That's a Hohmann transfer to the target orbit but with added restriction of you actually wanting to hit the target. Not hard by astromechanic standards but not exactly trivial
L935[19:55:15] <Amanda> for a difference of ~4k how far ahead should I be?
L936[19:55:29] <Amanda> I assume the answer is "not very"
L937[19:56:06] <dequbed> You mean 4k difference in semi-major axis?
L938[19:56:19] <Amanda> I mean their ap is 4k below my ap
L939[19:56:19] <Vampyre> I think, if you select a target, you get an indication of your relative speed for that target right?
L940[19:56:31] <dequbed> Amanda: Close enough. Not very :p
L941[19:56:44] <Vampyre> then you can simply use the navball marker
L942[19:57:00] <Amanda> I should look up what the markers mean, it's been awhile
L943[19:57:03] <dequbed> Vampyre: You do but that doesn't help you for matching orbits, only when you're on close encounter already
L944[19:57:49] <Vampyre> yah, I guess you need to get close first
L945[20:08:44] <Ed​erV> will the 1.16 version be released soon?
L946[20:09:06] <Michiyo> Whelp that's another month added to the release date.
L947[20:09:14] <Michiyo> I think we're up to 14 years now.
L948[20:09:39] <Ed​erV> what??
L949[20:09:59] <Michiyo> Yeah man, every time someone asks about a 1.16 release a month is added to the release date!
L950[20:10:30] <Forec​aster> how many decades are we up to now?
L951[20:10:37] <Michiyo> Just 14 years now.
L952[20:10:57] <Ed​erV> 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️
L953[20:11:03] <bad at​ vijya> https://tinyurl.com/y3a3ayds
L954[20:11:16] <Ed​erV> one question @Michiyo , is the dev team working on 1.16?
L955[20:11:21] <Michiyo> No
L956[20:11:32] <Ed​erV> why?
L957[20:11:36] <Michiyo> Because.
L958[20:11:44] <Amanda> this thing called a "job"
L959[20:11:54] <Michiyo> Someone is working on a port to 1.16 fabric, but it's not official, nor done, nor even working
L960[20:12:12] <Michiyo> payonel has taken over dev but he's been SUPER busy.
L961[20:13:47] <Michiyo> Sangar has stepped away from OC dev AFAIK, He's working on another computer mod ATM.
L962[20:14:18] <Michiyo> so that leaves payonel, and vexatos helping out... and payo has been busy. Funny enough mod dev takes time!
L963[20:14:26] <dequbed> Snagar *also* has a job doing the things he really enjoys doing so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L964[20:15:03] <Forec​aster> not all jobs are born equial
L965[20:15:10] <Forec​aster> not all jobs are born equal [Edited]
L966[20:17:14] <Amanda> oops, my rescue ship ran out of power. Guess I should have put solar panels on it after all.
L967[20:20:10] <Vampyre> 50m/s splashdown, but everybody is alive!
L968[20:20:42] <bad at​ vijya> https://tinyurl.com/y4yhfj93
L969[20:20:46] <bad at​ vijya> the carman can into space
L970[20:21:03] <bad at​ vijya> it'll need a refuel to get to other planets but that's not much of a surprise
L971[20:21:04] <ThePi​Guy24> where space dorito
L972[20:21:09] <bad at​ vijya> SPACE
L973[20:21:11] <bad at​ vijya> DORITO
L974[20:21:13] <bad at​ vijya> soon
L975[20:21:14] <bad at​ vijya> ™️
L976[20:21:18] <ThePi​Guy24> yis
L977[20:21:19] <bad at​ vijya> i have to fix my car
L978[20:21:40] <bad at​ vijya> but yeah, i'll make the Super-Morrigan
L979[20:22:17] <Vampyre> nice looking spaceplane you got there
L980[20:23:55] <bad at​ vijya> https://tinyurl.com/y65hogjd
L981[20:24:00] <20​kdc> @bad at vijya found a video containing ruddervators - likely incredibly out of date though - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LHopv23meU
L982[20:24:01] <MichiBot> Kerbal Space Program: Engines Are Overrated | length: 4m 24s | Likes: 9,070 Dislikes: 74 Views: 641,468 | by Danny2462 | Published On 8/2/2013
L983[20:24:11] <bad at​ vijya> how do i disable the HUD
L984[20:24:13] <bad at​ vijya> i can never remember
L985[20:25:20] <bad at​ vijya> https://tinyurl.com/y3kta84q
L986[20:27:51] <ThePi​Guy24> Alt-F4
L987[20:27:52] <Vampyre> f1?
L988[20:27:59] <Vampyre> or f2
L989[20:28:10] <Vampyre> one is screenshot, other is hud
L990[20:28:23] <bad at​ vijya> f2
L991[20:28:28] <bad at​ vijya> f12 is screenshot
L992[20:28:42] <Amanda> and toggle atmo. :D
L993[20:28:43] <Vampyre> f1 on windows
L994[20:28:51] <Amanda> s/atmo/atmo overlya/
L995[20:28:51] <MichiBot> <Amanda> and toggle atmo overlya. :D
L996[20:29:21] <bad at​ vijya> i disabled atmo overlay
L997[20:29:27] <bad at​ vijya> i know what i'm doing, i swear
L998[20:29:38] <bad at​ vijya> honestly the carman's main wings are just
L999[20:29:45] <bad at​ vijya> so fuckin good looking
L1000[20:29:48] <Ariri> "have confidence"
L1001[20:32:07] <bad at​ vijya> also
L1002[20:32:14] <bad at​ vijya> obligatory
L1003[20:32:23] <bad at​ vijya> << Do you see any borders from up here? >>
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L1006[20:42:22] <Vampyre> and the game crashed...
L1007[20:44:48] <bad at​ vijya> https://tinyurl.com/yyc3jq25
L1008[20:44:56] <bad at​ vijya> https://tinyurl.com/y5rq7tx6
L1009[20:45:07] <bad at​ vijya> god
L1010[20:45:14] <bad at​ vijya> the carman looks so fuckin nice
L1011[20:45:51] <ThePi​Guy24> yeah but it aint a cessna
L1012[20:58:04] <i develo​p things> hmm yes open forth 2 https://tinyurl.com/y3sun8go
L1013[20:59:31] <i develo​p things> the component interface is a bit clunky but whatever
L1014[20:59:39] <i develo​p things> might have to rework a bunch of things to do loops properly
L1015[21:05:28] <Izaya> OK
L1016[21:05:49] <i develo​p things> yes
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L1018[21:09:03] <Forec​aster> huh
L1019[21:09:21] <Forec​aster> does `not ""` equal true
L1020[21:09:37] <Forec​aster> %lua not ""
L1021[21:09:38] <MichiBot> false
L1022[21:09:43] <Forec​aster> apparently not
L1023[21:09:53] <Forec​aster> then why does that code run...
L1024[21:13:36] <Forec​aster> also I now need to add the color picker to the product database
L1025[21:29:11] <Michiyo> heh, I figured I already had colored item support, might as well add it to the mod :P
L1026[21:29:32] <Forec​aster> curse yoooooo D:<
L1027[21:29:46] <Forec​aster> how dare you add neat features that forces me to use them
L1028[21:29:56] <Forec​aster> D:
L1029[21:30:15] <Michiyo> :P
L1030[21:31:21] <Forec​aster> luckily I can just steal the color picker I made for the gui assistant prototype and add a string field in the database for it
L1031[21:31:52] <Michiyo> heh
L1032[21:32:09] <Michiyo> I just added you to the repo so you can fix lang keys and stuff if you need
L1033[21:32:16] <Forec​aster> oh wait
L1034[21:32:18] <Michiyo> I mean... you can do whatever you want with it honestly :P
L1035[21:32:32] <Forec​aster> that uses the other color system
L1036[21:32:35] <Forec​aster> not the int based one
L1037[21:32:43] <Michiyo> Yeah, this uses OC's Colors
L1038[21:33:06] <Forec​aster> the color picker is for the gpu colors
L1039[21:33:17] <Forec​aster> I realized the colors api is just the minecraft colors
L1040[21:33:33] <Michiyo> yep
L1041[21:33:47] <Michiyo> I *THINK* I could use raw hex colors... but idk lol
L1042[21:34:03] <Michiyo> return tintIndex == 0 ? 0xFFFFFF so... possibly lol
L1043[21:34:25] <Forec​aster> if you could that'd be neat, give me more options, but don't worry too much about it, I'll just make it use these colors to begin with
L1044[21:34:56] <Forec​aster> eurgh
L1045[21:35:13] <Forec​aster> I broke the web interface because I've updated the core a lot since I last worked on this
L1046[21:35:49] <Forec​aster> it's trying to load files that have moved or don't exist anymore
L1047[21:36:10] <Forec​aster> need to update so many paths
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L1049[21:40:13] <Michiyo> Both of them return an int, a color multiplier. This int is treated as 4 unsigned bytes, alpha, red, green, and blue, in that order, from most significant byte to least. For each pixel in the tinted face, the value of each color channel is (int)((float)base * multiplier / 255), where base is the original value for the channel, and multiplier is the associated byte from the color multiplier.
L1050[21:40:21] <Michiyo> I'm more confused now, than I was before I looked this up.
L1051[21:40:54] <Forec​aster> wat
L1052[21:41:04] <Michiyo> https://mcforge.readthedocs.io/en/latest/models/color/
L1053[21:42:38] <dequbed> Friends don't let friends do java.
L1054[21:44:39] <Amanda> Is it notpossible to place manuver nodes on projected paths?
L1055[21:44:46] <Amanda> or do I need an upgrade I can't afford
L1056[21:45:08] <dequbed> Its definitely possible and I can do it on level 2 tracking station
L1057[21:50:07] <Forec​aster> %tonkout
L1058[21:50:07] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Forec​aster, you were not able to beat Va​ur's record of 4 hours, 3 minutes and 4 seconds this time. 3 hours, 1 minute and 12 seconds were wasted! Missed by 1 hour, 1 minute and 51 seconds!
L1059[21:50:26] <Forec​aster> oh, the clock says 22, not 23, dammit
L1060[21:55:37] <Forec​aster> but hooray, the page is working again!
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L1062[22:19:04] <Kristo​pher38> Suddenly everyone jumped at the KSP train
L1063[22:19:10] <Izaya> > suddenly
L1064[22:19:14] <Izaya> I've been pushing for months
L1065[22:19:21] <Izaya> it's only just getting up to speed now
L1066[22:20:49] <dequbed> @Kristopher38 I've been conductor on the KSP train since ever, not exactly suddenly or even jumping at anything.
L1067[22:21:08] <Ariri> To the Mun part 2: https://lcars5201.ddns.net/index.php/s/LPL3f9nYK5QmaXc
L1068[22:21:44] <dequbed> Ariri: What a pretty ship :P
L1069[22:22:18] <Kristo​pher38> Well yeah, I remember Izaya playing alot before
L1070[22:22:18] <MichiBot> ALOT: http://tinyurl.com/y42zurt
L1071[22:22:43] <Ariri> I've liked the game for a long time, but with dev hand-off and other space games, I didn't really want to play it nor had the time to. I've been reading The Martian and keeping tabs on space stuff irl so now I want to make my own rockets
L1072[22:23:11] <Ariri> dequbed, lol, yeah it's not that neat but at least I can EVA now :)
L1073[22:23:15] <Izaya> I still need to try out KSPIE properly
L1074[22:23:16] <dequbed> @Kristopher38 I mean by your definition of "everyone jumping on the train" we're all suddenly jumping on the Minecraft train because Izaya and I opened up a modpack to play together at the beginning of the year :P
L1075[22:23:37] <Izaya> Build some bussard ramscoops
L1076[22:23:40] <Izaya> travel at 0.12c
L1077[22:24:00] <Ariri> ez pz
L1078[22:24:10] <Izaya> but no faster
L1079[22:24:14] <Izaya> because space drag says no
L1080[22:24:24] <dequbed> Ariri: I'm a bit confused by the trippled up stage 4 :p
L1081[22:25:17] <Ariri> It was originally more fuel for orbital manuevers, but I needed the thrust to actually achieve stage 4 so I added rockets on them
L1082[22:25:31] <Kristo​pher38> I meant it more like "more people playing now"
L1083[22:25:36] <Ariri> You think I should remove them? I might've added it when dV was incorrect do staging
L1084[22:25:53] <dequbed> Ariri: Also with 333 tons you are very much building the N1 of this race so far :P
L1085[22:26:09] <Kristo​pher38> Whatever, do you know how to make rockets irl dequbed?
L1086[22:26:32] <dequbed> @Kristopher38 that is a weird question.
L1087[22:26:57] <Ariri> Yeah pretty much, it's also a test for Munar payloads (if I could get them there with the first and second stage)
L1088[22:27:03] <Kristo​pher38> I know, but sounds like something you could know
L1089[22:28:05] <dequbed> Well I know the basics having being taught astrophysics during school years and now being trained as electrical and mechanical engineer.
L1090[22:28:51] <dequbed> I'm less good than I want to be and I'm considering becoming an Astronautical Engineer since my university offers that course but I can generally hold my own in astromechanics
L1091[22:33:13] <dequbed> Ariri: If you want to do that much of a redesign you could try moving the upper stages to cryolox instead of kerosene/ox. More volume but you'll have an easier time with the lower stages.
L1092[22:33:53] <Izaya> software work literally ever challenge 2021
L1093[22:34:57] <Ariri> My center first stage is LH2/ox, upper is all LF.
L1094[22:35:09] <dequbed> Ariri: That's the wrong way around
L1095[22:35:22] <dequbed> You do *not* want to lift that heavy ass LF up any higher than you need to
L1096[22:35:53] <Ariri> Really? The engines desc said good for launch/mid-energy applications
L1097[22:35:54] <Izaya> LH2 are significantly better in vacuum also
L1098[22:36:09] <Ariri> Hrmm. Will do that for the next design then
L1099[22:36:12] <dequbed> Unless you also have NERVA but I don't think you're that far in the tree then
L1100[22:36:15] <Izaya> friendly reminder to use LH2 specific tanks
L1101[22:36:23] <Ariri> No wonder I needed the two extra engines
L1102[22:39:34] <dequbed> Ariri: In short LF rockets are good for first stages because you can get a lot of thrust and dV from few engines. But a rocket has to push everything above it into space and LF is much denser than LH2 while providing less efficient fuel. Since your lower stages are burning fuel first the fact that that fuel is very heavy does not matter The fact that the fuel they are pushing is very light does however improve the rocket much.
L1103[22:40:16] <Ariri> I understand, didn't take into account the actual density of the fuel, was more looking at raw thrust. Thanks
L1104[22:40:30] <dequbed> This is also why the Saturn V could push significantly more payload into LEO compared to the N1 despite the N1 being able to produce *much* more thrust: The N1 used Kerosene upper stages while the Saturn C-5 and V used LH2 for everything higher up
L1105[22:41:10] <Forec​aster> Michiyo well it seems an alpha mask works fine at least
L1106[22:41:27] <Ariri> If I leave fuel in a stage, will stage recovery use it to slow a craft down for parachutes?
L1107[22:41:28] <Michiyo> What?
L1108[22:41:47] <Forec​aster> long_2's mask had 50% transparency
L1109[22:41:58] <bad at​ vijya> KSPI?
L1110[22:42:03] <Forec​aster> it looks like it applies that properly
L1111[22:42:29] <bad at​ vijya> i forgot to stick canards on my funny tiny plane
L1112[22:44:37] <Michiyo> Well, yes.
L1113[22:45:24] <Forec​aster> I wasn't sure that'd work :P
L1114[22:49:54] <Amanda> Izaya: do you know if kos has something for the "Target pro/retrograde" navball indicators? `target:prograde`/retrograde's not right
L1115[22:50:21] <Izaya> {,srf}{pro,retro}grade
L1116[22:51:08] <Izaya> if your navball is in surface mode it'll be different if you tell it to point at prograde
L1117[22:52:09] <Amanda> I meant for orbital matching. I can get within 100m of this fucker but don't have the dexterity to finish matching
L1118[22:52:24] <Izaya> navball indicator
L1119[22:52:27] <Izaya> uh
L1120[22:52:30] <Izaya> not navball
L1121[22:52:32] <Izaya> docking indicator
L1122[22:52:45] <Izaya> button on the right with the prograde indicator
L1123[22:53:34] <Izaya> line up the green circle with the prograde then thrust forwards
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L1125[22:58:35] <Amanda> this is for a rescue mission I've been attempting all damn day
L1126[22:59:02] <Ariri> Can I select multiple tanks at once to change their fuel at the same time?
L1127[22:59:13] <Izaya> yup
L1128[22:59:22] <Izaya> only one in/out at a time makes sense though
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L1130[22:59:45] <Ariri> No I mean fuel type, in VAB
L1131[22:59:51] <Izaya> oh
L1132[23:00:21] <bad at​ vijya> is anyone in the SKS mumble right now?
L1133[23:00:50] <Izaya> no idea, but you should swap out the normal tanks for LH2 tanks where applicable
L1134[23:01:00] <Izaya> bad_at_vijya: the 1/32 is the music bot
L1135[23:01:10] <bad at​ vijya> i didn't check
L1136[23:01:11] <bad at​ vijya> AAAAAAAAAAA
L1137[23:01:31] <bad at​ vijya> mumble went scuffed audio mode
L1138[23:01:54] <ThePi​Guy24> scuffed™️ mode
L1139[23:02:02] <ThePi​Guy24> patented technology
L1140[23:02:23] <bad at​ vijya> ah yes
L1141[23:02:29] <bad at​ vijya> of course it was the fault of pulseaudio
L1142[23:02:59] <bad at​ vijya> it'd be a funny emem if someone got in the mumble to shitpost with me
L1143[23:10:27] <Izaya> I would join but it's just about my bed time
L1144[23:10:36] <Izaya> did my mowing
L1145[23:11:17] <bad at​ vijya> damn
L1146[23:11:23] <bad at​ vijya> boomer
L1147[23:11:39] * Izaya sips
L1148[23:11:58] <Izaya> my neighbors haven't been allowed to sleep in past 6:30 AM since Sunday.
L1149[23:12:01] <Izaya> I hope they're happy.
L1150[23:14:26] <Ariri> Thanks dequbed :) https://lcars5201.ddns.net/index.php/s/q3PmoHcLPy29XTk
L1151[23:14:38] <Ariri> Way better
L1152[23:14:59] <Ariri> Any other tools I should also be using? I can't find that engineer thing to see TWR
L1153[23:15:25] <bad at​ vijya> holy shit my sides
L1154[23:15:45] <Ariri> are in orbit?
L1155[23:16:24] <dequbed> Ariri: Well I mean I've made good use of GSL and -shell but I don't think that's what you mean :p
L1156[23:16:53] <Ariri> I don't even know what that means :D
L1157[23:17:04] <dequbed> The K.E.R is that green PCB thingy in science and if you put it on your craft you can access a bunch of stats in flight. It's enabled by default in the VAB/SPH
L1158[23:17:36] <dequbed> GSL is the GNU Scientific Library which provides a bunch of mathematical principles to calculate and engineer stuff ;)
L1159[23:18:03] <Ariri> I see
L1160[23:18:08] <dequbed> and the GSL shell is a very good (albeit outdated) interactive lua shell for the GSL
L1161[23:19:05] <Ariri> last question: For the scansat missions (alti, resource, multispectral) do I just get the altimeter and enh. scanner and make an orbit with them on?
L1162[23:20:07] <dequbed> Ariri: In the right-click screen of the scanners it tells you what scan it provides
L1163[23:21:12] <Ariri> I see, but is it area based? I tried it on my test flight earlier and the percentage stayed at 0
L1164[23:21:39] <dequbed> Uh so you need to activate the scanner itself (right click on it in flight, click "Start XXXXX Scan")
L1165[23:21:54] <dequbed> And there you also see if you're on a good altitude etc.
L1166[23:22:32] <Ariri> What's good altitude? Less than 80 is low and above is high or something?
L1167[23:23:10] <dequbed> Different for each scanner, it tells you in the right-click menu :p
L1168[23:23:25] <Ariri> Oh, I'm blind
L1169[23:24:13] <dequbed> Also that "ideal" height is the lower bound. So if a scanner says "70-250km, 100km ideal" then (afaict) 100km-250km will be treated as "ideal"
L1170[23:26:04] <Ariri> Thanks
L1171[23:29:21] <Amanda> ..... if this works, I'm going to cry
L1172[23:51:59] <Izaya> oh shit
L1173[23:52:01] <Izaya> new fan arrived
L1174[23:52:04] <Izaya> and new SSD
L1175[23:52:09] <Izaya> it's only been two days
L1176[23:52:35] <Amanda> d... did I even have to go through that rondeveous?
L1177[23:53:03] <Amanda> Switchtd to the trapped kerbel's craft, made them EVA and yeet themselves back into the atmo, contract completed.
L1178[23:55:42] <dequbed> Amanda: you can't switch to trapped kerbals from the tracking station but you have to at least get to 2.5km
L1179[23:56:01] * Amanda cries
L1180[23:56:19] <Amanda> I spent like an hour ping-ponging back and forth trying to get stabalised against the fucker
L1181[23:56:55] * dequbed hugs Amanda
L1182[23:59:03] <Amanda> Right, told the Rescue craft to de-orbit itself, going to use the rain box while that happens, unwind from the stress some
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