OCLogs: 2020-12-27.log

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this is the exact same editor (exactly 2 lines differ iirc, and that's just because apotheosis lacks `stty`) running both in-game and out-of-game on the same file https://tinyurl.com/y7jr68mv

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<lucsoft> whats the editor called? and is it on oppm

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it is not

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and it doesn't work on openos

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because openos's vt100 implementation is comparatively basic

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https://github.com/ocawesome101/tle for the one that works on irl linux (and probably mac) systems

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it's bundled with https://github.com/ocawesome101/apotheosis-coreutils

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(don't use apotheosis yet - it's still under very heavy development and is missing a bunch of features that i consider fairly necessary for full user-readiness)

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L10[00:02:33]

for the editor on an actual system you should be able to just grab the `tle` file from the first repo i linked

L11[00:02:46] <Izaya> suggestion

L12[00:03:01]

yes?

L13[00:03:09] <Izaya> instead of spending a whole line on a divider, have the top line inverted instead

L14[00:03:20]

like inverted color-wise?

L15[00:03:23] <Izaya> yeah

L16[00:03:28]

hmmm, might try that

L17[00:03:46] <Izaya> doesn't make a huge difference on a T3 display but on a T1 display that's an extra 15th of the screen for actual information

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true

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bit more like this? https://tinyurl.com/ycyxqav8

L21[00:07:46] <Izaya> yeah exactly

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i might still invert the top bar but i'm scared of it looking weird

L23[00:07:57]

yknow

L24[00:07:58] <Izaya> I say inverted because it's easy to tell apart

L25[00:08:02]

true

L26[00:08:10] <Izaya> but if it's distinct anyway you don't need to

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i might actually make the top bar just display on anything larger than ~24 lines tall?

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L29[00:08:24] <Izaya> you could even do tabs with inverted/not inverted

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that's true

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<ThePiGuy24> nano does it https://tinyurl.com/yde9qy6j

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true

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nano does it in white though

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TLE is heavily cyan

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might still try it

L36[00:09:08] <Izaya> like, rather than dividers, have double spaces, and the active one is inverted but the rest are normal

L37[00:09:09] <Izaya> or not

L38[00:09:11] * Izaya shrugs

L39[00:09:52] <Slimeball> Question: How can I automatically run a pastebin on the start of a floppy disc?

L40[00:15:38]

whatabout this https://tinyurl.com/y7fno2hx

L41[00:16:04] <Izaya> yeees

L42[00:16:32]

i wasn't terribly keen on it at first but i like it too

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tysm for the suggestion izaya

L44[00:16:48] <Izaya> bonus points

L45[00:16:54] <Izaya> you can make it fit the colour scheme

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<ThePiGuy24> maybe highlight inactive tabs in a colour between the background and active tab colour

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maybe, one sec

L48[00:20:48]

idk. this looks a little bit low-contrast https://tinyurl.com/y8uqda4t

L49[00:23:05]

still a bit low-contrast but fits the color scheme bettert https://tinyurl.com/y9qz4g2d

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<ThePiGuy24> maybe make the text on cyan background dark?

L51[00:27:30]

perhaps

L52[00:27:32] <Izaya> your editor looks tasty

L53[00:27:40]

well ty

L54[00:29:24]

how bout this https://tinyurl.com/yajbgdsn

L55[00:29:39] <Izaya> yee

L56[00:29:43] <Izaya> better contrast

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<ThePiGuy24> ohyes

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L62[00:55:29] * Amanda snugs Elfi, zzzmews

L63[00:55:32] <Amanda> Night nerds

L64[01:20:24]

<Kristopher38> @i develop things will that editor finally permit me to edit, like, with scrollable cursor and stuff?

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it does already i think

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mouse input is a no

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<ThePiGuy24> smh just port vscode to OC

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lolno

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<Kristopher38> But what if I forked it and added mouse input :^)

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you'd need to do some xterm-specific control-code stuff i think

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my goal was to keep it light and portable

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<Saphire> What's this?

L73[01:23:43]

my editor

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<Kristopher38> Oh, I just want it working in OC

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https://github.com/ocawesome101/tle

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<Kristopher38> Inb4 it's slow cause vt100

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it works in OC, but not in OpenOS

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<Kristopher38> What's required to make it work under openOS?

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i made a bunch of optimizations to the drawing routine so it's passably usable

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uh

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better vt100 emulation

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specifically some escape codes (i think?) and replication of the text input features

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<Kristopher38> So I can't just copypaste a vt100 lib from monolith to openOS and expect it to work?

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you'd need the apotheosis tty driver, the monolith one is less standards compliant

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you could copy that to openos and with some slight modifications you could kludge it in

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https://github.com/ocawesome101/oc-paragon/blob/master/ksrc/tty.lua

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<Kristopher38> Hmmmm

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<Kristopher38> I'm sorry, I thought that it was another one of those editors which only let you use commands to edit things :P

L89[01:32:35]

oh, vled? xP

L90[01:32:51] <Izaya> children of a dead earth doesn't like my piloting style

L91[01:33:42] <Izaya> KSP taught me to conserve delta-V and they want things done f a s t

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<ThePiGuy24> smh who even needs delta v when you can just reach v instantly

L93[01:40:47]

<Kristopher38> @i develop things can the key_down handler work simultaneously with some OpenOS' handlers or will I need to replace them entirely?

L94[01:40:55]

it should be able to

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<Kristopher38> hm, I might give this a shot tomorrow, it's too late here to start any work as I'm preparing to go to bed

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:P

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i might also, you've got me interested

L98[01:42:52] <Izaya> also

L99[01:43:06] <Izaya> children of a dead earth is less responsive than KSP when messing with maneuver nodes

L100[01:43:25] <Izaya> I assume because it's doing the actual simulations for the orbits rather than patched conics

L101[01:44:35]

<Kristopher38> every time you mention your next editor you get me fired up to write my own (which would be better because, well, it would be written by me ;^)) but I also have limited time so I'd rather spend time on something more interesting like machine autocrafting

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hahahahaa

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<Kristopher38> Well, I still have that attempt I tried some time ago

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<Kristopher38> One day I'll finish it and you'll see :^)

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i use vt100 for my editors because it makes syntax highlighting waaaaaaaaaay easier

L106[01:49:17] <Izaya> and it makes them wonderfully portable

L107[01:49:45] <Izaya> speaking of VT100 emulators and OpenOS

L108[01:49:53]

yep

L109[01:50:11] <Izaya> I ported the PsychOS one to OpenOS so I could get a better remote login client at one point

L110[01:51:42]

does your vt100 support accurate text input emulation?

L111[01:51:55]

that was one of my goals for Paragon's and i think i've mostly pulled it off

L112[01:51:59] <Izaya> probably not

L113[01:52:12] <Izaya> but IIRC it was more accurate than on OpenOS

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hahaha

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things like supporting line-mode toggling?

L116[01:53:09] <Izaya> no, no local echo support either

L117[01:53:31] <Izaya> on PsychOS that's all in readline

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ah

L120[01:54:13]

so you just have a `read(n)` basically?

L121[01:54:26] <Izaya> read() will return a line, read(1) will return a single character, read("s") will return a string ending in "s"

L122[01:54:31]

ah

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i generate a basic stream with `:write(str)`, `:read(n)`, and `:close()`, then wrap that in a buffer. works pretty well

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supports local echo and stuff

L125[01:55:30] <Izaya> or maybe I do support local echo

L126[01:55:37] <Izaya> I don't remember tbh

L127[01:56:07] <Izaya> I do know my aim is 100% my own convenience, though

L128[01:56:51]

lol

L129[01:57:00]

standards compliance helps with... well, compatibility

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i Should(tm) be able to connect my terminal to a Linux-like system and have everything Just Work

L131[01:57:31] <Izaya> I aim to be compliant where convenient

L132[01:57:33]

that's my goal

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that's entirely fair

L134[01:57:42] <Izaya> but if it gets in the way of anything, bugger it

L135[01:58:23]

i do more of building my stuff around vt100 rather than building vt100 around my stuff

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to some extent anyway

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there's a bunch of technically-standard escape codes that i don't support

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also i didn't know (though it makes sense) that the irl VT100 terminals didn't support color. apparently that was a much later thing.

L139[01:59:18] <Izaya> yeah mono only

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mhm

L141[01:59:27] <Izaya> the actual VT100 was uppercase only too, IIRC

L142[01:59:32] <Izaya> VT102 had the optional lower case ROM

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and i think a vt100 emulator running in opencomputers on a t1 computer still is faster than a real vt100

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at least for certain things

L145[01:59:54] <Izaya> haha

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though, granted, i don't exactly have a physical vt100 with which to test

L147[02:00:59]

<20kdc> KittenOS NEO uses a TELNET server with some minor caveats (forced data/protocol separation to make terminal emulator simpler)

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<20kdc> I say "server", it's a bit weirder

L149[02:01:18]

neat

L150[02:01:21]

like actually TELNET compliant?

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<20kdc> good enough to connect to a real Linux system assuming you set TERM=ansi.sys

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<20kdc> outside of that idk

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nice

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<20kdc> as far as I'm concerned TELNET is what vt100/etc should've had

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<20kdc> i.e. control over local echo

L157[02:03:49] <Ocawesome101> interesting

L158[02:04:03] <Izaya> telnet has more extensions than XMPP I swear

L159[02:04:31]

<20kdc> it does use the not quite compliant behaviour of "local echo = line editing" that some other telnet implementations use rather than the overengineered line editing stuff

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L161[02:04:57] <Ocawesome101> is control over local echo an extension to vt100?

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<20kdc> control over local echo is a telnet thing

L163[02:05:26] <Ocawesome101> it works on things other than telnet?

L164[02:05:36] <Ocawesome101> %s/telnet/telnet though/

L165[02:05:36] <MichiBot> <Ocawesome101> it works on things other than telnet though?

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<20kdc> well, yeah, because telnet is just exposing functionality of the underlying stack

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<20kdc> (say: unix tty termios)

L168[02:07:13] <Ocawesome101> ah

L169[02:07:26] <Ocawesome101> what i meant was

L170[02:07:44] <Ocawesome101> based on something you said earlier it sounded like local echo control wasn't a feature of the og vt100 terminal

L171[02:08:59] <Ocawesome101> ...hmmm

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<20kdc> the question is if it's part of the vt100 command set

L173[02:09:04] <Ocawesome101> yeah that

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<20kdc> if so I may have been hasty to use TELNET

L175[02:09:30] <Ocawesome101> in modern terminal emulators it's implemented as \27[8m disables and \27[28m enables

L176[02:09:44] <Ocawesome101> at least, according to the docs i can find

L177[02:10:12] <Ocawesome101> so that's how i've implemented it, that's how it works in konsole and the linux TTY, and that's what i assume is the now-relatively-standard behavior

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<20kdc> the standard behaviour as far as I can tell is that applications use termios to control local echo

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<20kdc> and telnet sends that in it's own way

L180[02:11:53] <Ocawesome101> huh

L181[02:12:13]

<20kdc> and then magic stuff happens at the terminal (possibly indeed using those commands!) to make it do the thing

L182[02:12:14] <Ocawesome101> well, \27[{,2}8m works for everything i've tried it on so that's what i'm assuming is the standard

L183[02:12:24] <Ocawesome101> i should make a telnet client for apotheosis :thonk:

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<20kdc> it might be the standard at vt100 level

L185[02:12:36] <Ocawesome101> fair

L186[02:13:33] <Ocawesome101> how do i make minecraft *not* try to enable narrator when i press ctrl-b?

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<Kristopher38> https://twitter.com/FiloSottile/status/1342868990335594496

L190[02:38:10] <MichiBot> Sat Dec 26 16:24:51 UTC 2020 @FiloSottile: Every time I touch Python packaging I encounter beautiful colorful output that tells me that something changed and… <https://t.co/DR1oMiTsQs>

L191[02:41:45] <Izaya> and then you have python 2 B)

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<ThePiGuy24> Izaya: as an aussie, do you approve of this datsun 510 ute? https://tinyurl.com/ybsujdjw

L194[03:22:51] <Izaya> cute!

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<ThePiGuy24> it suffered an unfortunate fate https://tinyurl.com/y88fz5q8

L196[03:27:42] <Izaya> RIP

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<BrisingrAerowing> OCawesome101, there are a few mods that add the ability to rebind / unbind the narrator. I use Random Patches (as it fixes several other annoyances).

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<bad at vijya> [screaming]

L204[05:34:07]

@Kristopher38 i got tle working on openos. https://github.com/ocawesome101/openos-tle

L205[05:34:29]

the most difficult bit was actually getting text input to work. turned out the keyboard recognition logic was breaking it :/

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L207[05:35:09] <Ocawesome101> please don't ask me why i did it. possibly just to see if i could.

L208[05:35:58] <Izaya> tfw you want to port PsychOS software to OpenOS so you reimplement the scheduler on top of thread and run PsychOS on OpenOS

L209[05:36:01] <Izaya> Skye can relate

L210[05:36:07] <Ocawesome101> lmao

L211[05:41:04] <CompanionCube> Izaya: so UML but PsychOS? Nice.

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<Forecaster> %tonk

L213[05:50:39] <MichiBot> Fiddlesticks! Forecaster! You beat ThePiGuy24's previous record of 6 hours and 10 minutes (By 1 minute and 59 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L214[05:50:40] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 6 hours, 11 minutes and 59 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.00021 (0.00003 x 7) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.14163141 more points to pass CompanionCube!

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<ThePiGuy24> found a better way of transporting it accross water https://tinyurl.com/y9mh4yob

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<ThePiGuy24> although it is not secured at all

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<ThePiGuy24> another alternate way :p https://tinyurl.com/yawjsl73

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<Forecaster> !!!

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<Forecaster> I have thimble reed seeds?!

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<Forecaster> I have no idea how I get them and they're on the far right of the list so I didn't see them until now, but that's great

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<Forecaster> now I'll be able to actually make envriosuits soon

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<ThePiGuy24> %tonkout

L235[12:08:33] <MichiBot> Swell! ThePiGuy24! You beat Forecaster's previous record of 6 hours, 11 minutes and 59 seconds (By 5 minutes and 54 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L236[12:08:34] <MichiBot> ThePiGuy24 has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.006 tonk points! plus 0.005 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 1.09943944. Position #6 => #5 (Overtook Lizzy) Need 0.31802864 more points to pass SquidDev!

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<ThePiGuy24> ayy

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L250[13:37:15] <Amanda> good mews! TPG24 it ceased!

L251[13:46:38] <Amanda> @Forecaster damn, Ithought I hid them better

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L253[14:10:11] <Amanda> %choose cubes or CGI

L254[14:10:12] <MichiBot> Amanda: I sense some "CGI" in your future!

L255[15:53:03] <Amanda> I need to cool my farm... it's >30C so I'm not producing mealwood anymore

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<Forecaster> yep

L257[15:53:20] <Amanda> How does one do that?

L258[15:54:13]

<Forecaster> that's why I made a liquid cooling system that uses radiant pipes, thermoplates and a storage tank and some circuits to heat up brine, then send it to the surface where it's cycled until it cools down, then it comes back down

L259[15:54:21] <Amanda> oh, I see. Temperature Modulation

L260[15:54:35]

<Forecaster> it's pretty slow though, I probably should've used oxygen instead so it'd spread faster

L261[15:54:57] <Amanda> I've not made it to the surface yet, decided I should fix my mounting unbreathables problem first

L262[15:55:01]

<Forecaster> I have some crops growing again but some are still overheating

L263[15:55:47]

<Forecaster> a worthy note, mushrooms and I belive grubfruit tolerate higher temperatures

L264[15:57:52] <Amanda> I also just now fixed me wiring so that I'm not constantly overloading the power grid

L265[15:59:23]

<Forecaster> yes, mushrooms tolerate up to 35 and grubfruit up to 50

L266[16:00:09] <Amanda> I forget, is there any reason *not* to just constantly convert ore into the smelted version?

L267[16:00:34]

<Forecaster> it produces a lot of heat doing that

L268[16:00:46]

<Forecaster> and I don't think you can use refined metal for something that requires ore?

L269[16:01:40] <Amanda> I wasn't sure ifmy b rain was lying about refined metal being usable in place of ore everywhere or not

L270[16:16:00] <Amanda> finally going to get started on some bedrooms. <.<;

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<Forecaster> woop

L273[16:43:00]

<Forecaster> also make sure the food room qualifies as a great hall

L274[16:43:09]

<Forecaster> it has like a +4 morale bonus

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L277[16:51:44] <Amanda> I should probably make one of those too, let's see the requirements

L278[16:52:35]

<Forecaster> I had 0% stress for a loooooong time until the oxygen started to run low

L279[16:52:51]

<Forecaster> definitely get all the morale bonuses you can get

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L281[16:55:22] <Amanda> There's no way to queue research along different branches that I'm missing, is there?

L282[16:55:30]

<Forecaster> no

L283[16:58:47]

<Forecaster> unless I've also missed it

L284[16:58:58]

<Forecaster> but now I've researched everything so I don't have to worry about it :P

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L286[17:25:57] <Amanda> oh. Comfy Beds require plastic. Ofc.

L287[17:26:04] <Amanda> I guess I'm making four barraks instead

L288[17:26:11]

<Forecaster> indeed

L289[17:26:20]

<Forecaster> I have no source of petroleum yet

L290[17:26:45]

<Forecaster> I suspect one needs to explore other planetoids for that

L291[17:27:18] <Amanda> There's some crude oil mixed in with some water in a nearby structure

L292[17:34:59] <Amanda> goddesses damn it

L293[17:35:05] <Amanda> I hate when dups dig them selves into a hole

L294[17:35:22]

<Forecaster> yeah, I found some crude oil near the dupe teleporter structure

L295[17:35:30]

<Forecaster> but not nearly enough to use for anything useful

L296[17:35:39] <Amanda> Lindsay just suffocated because she dug herself into a hole and there was chlorine there

L297[17:35:51]

<Forecaster> you need a crude oil source where you can extract it

L298[17:36:12]

<Forecaster> I manage vertical digging very carefully because of that

L299[17:36:20]

<Forecaster> and only let them dig one layer at a time

L300[17:38:32] <Amanda> That was my first death, too

L301[17:38:55]

<Forecaster> I've had a number of deaths due to starvation, but I always reload

L302[17:50:03] <Amanda> asdfmsdjakfnasdf

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L304[17:50:17] <Amanda> GODDESSES DAMN IT MAAE, DON'T BURY YOUSELF IN A WALL YOU STUPID FUCK

L305[17:51:35] <Amanda> oh. oky.

L306[17:51:48] <Amanda> Tried to load the autosave from the day before, crashed

L307[17:52:02]

<Forecaster> yeah, they certainly require supervision

L308[17:56:59]

<bad at vijya> spamraams out

L309[18:07:08] <Amanda> ..... what

L310[18:07:22] <Amanda> Was the only reason my rooms weren't counted as barraks earlier is because I made them too large!?

L311[18:07:33] <Amanda> damnit

L312[18:07:35]

<Forecaster> possibly

L313[18:07:51]

<Forecaster> also they can only have a single bed

L314[18:08:05]

<Forecaster> I just have a bed and a sculpture in mine

L315[18:08:25] <Amanda> One room with four cots is counted as a barraks according to the overlay

L316[18:08:55]

<Forecaster> huh, the room tool said a single bed

L317[18:09:03]

<Forecaster> but I guess it meant "at least one bed"?

L318[18:09:23] <Amanda> I guess so. That's what the wiki says though, "at lesast one beD"

L319[18:12:21] <Ocawesome101> >typos

L320[18:12:33] <Ocawesome101> also for some reason konversation seems to be a battery drain

L321[18:12:37] <Ocawesome101> so, IRSSI :)

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L325[18:17:19]

<Kristopher38> Yes, conversations wear me out too

L326[18:17:30] <Ocawesome101> lol

L327[18:17:45] <Ocawesome101> did you see my "standards-compliant vt100" thing for openos

L328[18:17:50] <Ocawesome101> i think i @'d you

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L331[18:29:35]

<Kristopher38> Yeah

L332[18:29:45]

<Kristopher38> I'm about to test it

L333[18:29:51] <Ocawesome101> it seems to work

L334[18:29:57] <Ocawesome101> should work for any paragon utility

L335[18:30:09] <Ocawesome101> since it basically summons an instance of the paragon vt100 emulator

L336[18:31:10]

<Kristopher38> I need get up first

L337[18:31:30] <Ocawesome101> lol

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L340[18:37:54]

<Kristopher38> how much did you have to change in tle.lua itself?

L341[18:38:09] <Ocawesome101> pretty much zero

L342[18:38:26] <Ocawesome101> i did a little bit of debug stuff but other than that, since it's all standard lua, it just stayed the same

L343[18:38:45] <Ocawesome101> if you really want to know you can diff it vs the apotheosis-coreutils version

L344[18:40:03]

<Kristopher38> you might've not realized it but having this in a separate repo will make it harder to sync to the latest TLE version

L345[18:40:13] <Ocawesome101> yeah, i know

L346[18:40:17] <Ocawesome101> it was a very rough POC

L347[18:40:37] <Ocawesome101> more of a "get-it-working" than "get it working in a polished way"

L348[18:42:52] <Ocawesome101> i need to set up a thing for the apotheosis repo also so i don't have to manually update every single time TLE updates

L349[18:42:59]

<Kristopher38> god damn it's slow as hell

L350[18:43:01] <Ocawesome101> though, the updates are largely pretty small

L351[18:43:15] <Ocawesome101> what tier of computer are you using it on?

L352[18:43:24] <Ocawesome101> compared to edit.lua it's *really* slow

L353[18:43:30]

<Kristopher38> looks like it's redrawing the entire screen each time I type a character

L354[18:43:34]

<Kristopher38> t3

L355[18:43:43] <Ocawesome101> it should only be redrawing the top character

L356[18:43:44] <Ocawesome101> however

L357[18:43:54] <Ocawesome101> it might be if there's only a couple lines in the file

L358[18:44:01] <Ocawesome101> s/character/status line

L359[18:44:02] <MichiBot> <Ocawesome101> it should only be redrawing the top status line

L360[18:44:29] <Ocawesome101> try opening, say, /lib/core/boot.lua and see if it's faster

L361[18:44:56]

<Kristopher38> it would be workable if it worked at the same speed typing on the first line as it does on the last line

L362[18:45:08] <Ocawesome101> yeah, i know

L363[18:45:12]

<Kristopher38> why is it done that way :thonk:

L364[18:45:18] <Ocawesome101> it should be the same speed if all the lines have text on them

L365[18:45:29] <Ocawesome101> it caches lines so it knows whether to update them

L366[18:45:36] <Ocawesome101> so scrolling and switching buffers is slow

L367[18:45:58] <Ocawesome101> and when there's no text on a line, or a line doesn't exist, it doesn't get cached. i should fix that. probably be pretty simple actually

L368[18:46:24] <Ocawesome101> therefore, a file that's as large as the screen is tall, or larger, will be faster to edit than a file that isn't

L369[18:46:32]

<Kristopher38> yeah scrolling is slow as well

L370[18:46:35] <Ocawesome101> rather counterintuitive but yes that's what it does currently

L371[18:46:42] <Ocawesome101> scrolling clears the line cache :)

L372[18:46:58] <Ocawesome101> but hey, i think it's still better than plan9k's editor

L373[18:46:59] <Ocawesome101> which uh

L374[18:47:04] <Ocawesome101> is very slow

L375[18:47:10] <Ocawesome101> and doesn't support syntax highlighting

L376[18:50:18] <Ocawesome101> and then, performance isn't exactly my primary goal with apotheosis (though i do want it to be usably fast)

L377[18:50:27] <Ocawesome101> that's why i made the upstream optimizations to tle in the first place

L378[19:03:40] <Ocawesome101> @Kristopher38 i made some more optimizations to TLE so it should be consistent now. maybe even faster for only editing a single line. might still have some bugs so if you find any please stab me ;D

L379[19:05:25]

the only change i had to make from the apotheosis-coreutils version was commenting out the shebang at the top

L380[19:09:14]

<Kristopher38> >scrolling clears the line cache

L381[19:09:31]

<Kristopher38> can't it like

L382[19:09:42]

<Kristopher38> just shift stuff one line up or down?

L383[19:09:51]

<Kristopher38> scrolling is unusably slow atm

L384[19:10:50]

<Kristopher38> also i commend your efforts, editing almost-empty files is actually faster now

L385[19:12:59]

:)

L386[19:13:06]

it was a pretty simple change, only about 5 lines

L387[19:13:26]

scrolling i could possibly do that way, though it'd require more changing than i'm willing to do atm

L388[19:13:40]

tip: ^G will prompt you for a line to jump to

L389[19:18:03]

<Kristopher38> alright, now how do I use syntax highlighter with it

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L391[19:19:11]

you need the syntax highlighting files

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L393[19:19:21]

grab it from https://github.com/ocawesome101/tle

L394[19:19:21]

<Kristopher38> alright, I figured it out

L395[19:19:25]

yeye

L396[19:19:29]

copy to /usr/share/TLE/lua.lua

L397[19:19:41]

<Kristopher38> damn, feels weird to have syntax highlighting editor in OC

L398[19:19:46]

<Kristopher38> but it looks so nice

L399[19:19:47]

heh

L400[19:19:50]

ty :)

L401[19:20:15]

plus i don't think it's too much of a performance hit (obviously is one, but less than in some editors)

L402[19:21:22]

<Kristopher38> yeah, not that notice'able compared to edit

L403[19:21:35]

edit vs shedit you mean? :)

L404[19:22:08]

<Kristopher38> hm, last time I tried shedit it was broken

L405[19:22:11]

<Kristopher38> let's try that again

L406[19:23:35] <Corded> * hmms, wonders if he could kludge in TLE's syntax highlighting to plan9k's `edit.lua`

L407[19:23:50]

plan9k's editor doesn't even do line wrap or line scrolling or any of that

L408[19:24:32]

<Kristopher38> oh it works

L409[19:24:40]

<Kristopher38> it'd say typing lag is comparable

L410[19:24:59]

and SHEdit's scrolling is, let me guess, waaaaay faster?

L411[19:25:25]

<Kristopher38> yeah

L412[19:25:30]

heh

L413[19:25:40]

<Kristopher38> also i noticed that deleting stuff in tle is laggy as well

L414[19:25:49]

<Kristopher38> doesn't stop when I stop holding backspace

L415[19:25:59]

<Kristopher38> as in, doesn't stop immediately

L416[19:26:10]

how long that happens for depends on how long you hold the key down and how fast your key repeat is :P

L417[19:26:40]

it redraws 4 or 5 lines instead of just 1 every time that happens because i was too lazy to properly check what it needs to update

L418[19:26:49]

ctrl-K deletes lines

L419[19:27:07]

i could probably do something with vt100 scroll regions or something like that to improve scrolling performance, but the paragon vtemu doesn't support that and i have no idea how it works

L420[19:28:08]

i will admit that TLE is a bit of a lost cause on T1 hardware unless you increase component call limits

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<Vaur> %tonk

L425[20:28:42] <MichiBot> Dad-Sizzle! Vaur! You beat ThePiGuy24's previous record of <0 (By 8 hours, 20 minutes and 9 seconds)! I hope you're happy!

L426[20:28:43] <MichiBot> Vaur's new record is 8 hours, 20 minutes and 9 seconds! Vaur also gained 0.00834 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #14. Need 0.03777 more points to pass The_Stargazer!

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L431[20:59:05] <Jouda_2007> hello

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L433[21:05:12]

<Forecaster> %sip

L434[21:05:12] <MichiBot> You drink a sweet green potion (New!). The bottle turns into an apple.

L435[21:19:01]

<Forecaster> also Amanda, if you have grubfruits nearby, get them and start a farm, also get some of the sweetle beetles that like to hang out nearby

L436[21:20:23]

<Forecaster> if you keep them with the grubfruit plants they'll "tend" them and they will then produce fruits that are +1 instead of 0

L437[21:22:57] * dequbed pokes Amanda

L438[21:26:05] * Amanda meows

L439[21:26:10] <Amanda> Don't think I've seen any of those yet

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L441[21:26:49]

<Forecaster> they occur near sulfur deposits (and require sulfur to grow)

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L443[21:28:37]

<Forecaster> wait https://tinyurl.com/yaxp4gq7

L444[21:28:42]

<Forecaster> there are what-volcanos there

L445[21:28:49]

<Forecaster> ?1

L446[21:28:54]

<Forecaster> !?

L447[21:38:31]

<Forecaster> hrm, I have too much hydrogen

L448[21:38:51]

<Forecaster> is there anything else I can do with it besides power which I don't really need right now

L449[21:40:12]

<Forecaster> it can be cooled to liquid to be used as rocket fuel, but that requires really low temperatures...

L450[21:40:16] <dequbed> Amanda: Up for backstaberry?

L451[21:47:29] <Amanda> dequbed: mew?

L452[21:52:36] <dequbed> Not "mew". "Amanda Sus"\

L453[21:52:56] <Amanda> I'm confused what you're asking. :P

L454[21:53:12] <dequbed> Do you want to play Among us with me and $friends

L455[21:53:18] <Amanda> ah, no thank you

L456[21:53:29] <Amanda> not really my kind of game

L457[22:00:04]

<Latibro> Mod dev question (OC addon/integration):

L458[22:00:04]

<Latibro> Seems like OC doen't like array-like structures.

L459[22:00:04]

<Latibro> In a ManagedEnvironment.invoke() impl. that arguments works fine, expect if the input is array-like, then it fails "LuaRuntimeException: invalid key to 'next'"

L460[22:00:52]

<Latibro> Passing in {"first", "second"} fails. Passing in {a="first", b="second"} works fine

L461[22:02:10]

<Latibro> browsing throug the issues on github it looks like that has been know for really long time, but can't find the solution/workaround for it.

L462[22:04:28]

<Latibro> In https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues/3282 I found that payonel suggests asking in discord channel for help mitigating the problem... so here I am 🙂

L463[22:04:28]

<Latibro> Anyone has suggestions?

L464[22:04:28] <MichiBot> Title: Lua 5.3 Invalid key to 'next' | Posted by: MrJake222 | Posted: Sun Apr 26 10:08:52 UTC 2020 | Status: closed

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L467[22:20:58] <Webchat177> Does anyone else crash because of motion detectors on 1.7.5-1356? It's a server-side crash, and only happens when using a forge/bukkitforge server jar rather than in singleplayer. Tested with just OC on forge 1614 and 1558.

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L470[22:28:40] <Michiyo> %stacktrace

L471[22:28:41] <MichiBot> Michiyo: http://i.imgur.com/XffI6QA.jpg {0}

L472[22:28:55] <Michiyo> Ah, right

L473[22:29:01] <Michiyo> %stacktrace Webchat177

L474[22:29:01] <MichiBot> Michiyo: http://i.imgur.com/XffI6QA.jpg Webchat177

L475[22:31:28] <Webchat177> https://ghostbin.lain.la/paste/qokum Michiyo

L476[22:32:01] <Michiyo> NoSuchMethodError usually means that a method the mod uses got renamed in later forge versions.

L477[22:32:09] <Michiyo> Not a lot that can be done about that sadly

L478[22:33:24] <Webchat177> There are a couple of mods that use func_70666_h(F)Lnet/minecraft/util/Vec3, but I'm pretty sure they call them on Entity's rather than EntityLivingBase's

L479[22:33:37] <Webchat177> A couple of working mods*

L480[22:34:13] <Webchat177> For instance, MFR uses this function in its rayTrace() function for the spyglass

L481[22:35:07] <Webchat177> Also it worked on 1.7.5-1290

L482[22:42:05] <Michiyo> func_70666_h is simply getPosition

L483[22:44:53] <Webchat177> Yeah, the other mods usually call `(Minecraft.func_71410_x()).field_71451_h.func_70666_h(1.0F)`, which is `(Minecraft.getMinecraft()).renderViewEntity.getPosition(1.0F)`. I can't help but think that getPosition only exists on the client, but I'm pretty sure people are running OC's latest build on servers.

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L486[22:49:28] <Michiyo> I'm fairly sure that EntityLiving.getPosition isn't client only.. but I'm not about to go digging through forge to confirm

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L488[22:53:39] <Webchat177> Shows up as `@SideOnly(value=CLIENT)` when you try to use it in Eclipse

L489[22:54:24] <Michiyo> Ah, the fun of SRG names....

L490[22:54:25] <Michiyo> -MCPBot_Reborn- === MC 1.7.10: net/minecraft/client/Minecraft.getMinecraft (bao.B) UNLOCKED ===

L491[22:54:25] <Michiyo> -MCPBot_Reborn- Name : B => func_71410_x => getMinecraft

L492[22:54:45] <Michiyo> it also resolved to getPosition once upon a time.

L493[23:00:06] <Michiyo> And thanks to Jenkins only keeping 5 builds... I have no way to verify when exactly this broke.

L494[23:00:14] <Michiyo> The last change the the motion sensor was in 2017

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L496[23:05:31] <Michiyo> Yeah, I think your best bet (At least for now) here is to downgrade forge to what OC is targeting, or use the older build of OC which worked.

L497[23:06:50] <Michiyo> Also, https://github.com/GTNewHorizons/GT-New-Horizons-Modpack/issues/6484 Oh hey look, a shockingly similar issue on another pack that happens with Thermos, which is another attempt at bukkit/forge integration

L498[23:06:50] <MichiBot> Title: motion sensor from opencomputers will corrupt the chunk you place it in | Posted by: boubou19 | Posted: Fri Aug 07 00:18:20 UTC 2020 | Status: open

L499[23:07:17]

<Kodos> If only I had the permissions to laugh at them as I close it

L500[23:07:18] <Michiyo> OC was built against 10.13.4.1448-1.7.10

L501[23:09:44]

<Kodos> Forecaster, how have you been liking ONI

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<Forecaster> It's fun

L505[23:14:14]

<Forecaster> The new expansion of interesting though I haven't explored much of it yet

L506[23:14:51] <Michiyo> Anyway enough staring at 1.7 forge crap

L507[23:15:05] <Michiyo> I get to figure out why 2 of the drives in my fucking RAID array just dropped.

L508[23:15:12] <Michiyo> and... likely deal with THAT data loss.

L509[23:15:14]

<Forecaster> I don't know if the expansion can be credited with why this colony is going so well compared to my other attempts or not

L510[23:15:56] <Michiyo> Maybe RAID over these shitty SATA extenders was a bad idea (TM)

L511[23:22:17] ⇨ Joins: Latibro (~latibro@0x573d5588.static.cust.fastspeed.dk)

L512[23:23:56]

<Forecaster> Raid sounds like a lot of fun

L513[23:25:51] <Latibro> Any suggestions on how to mitigate problem with array-like tables as arguments for ManagedEnvironment.invoke() ?

L514[23:28:28] <Michiyo> The issue you linked has a work around? Does that no longer work?

L515[23:29:19] ⇦ Quits: t20kdc (~20kdc@cpc139384-aztw33-2-0-cust220.18-1.cable.virginm.net) (Remote host closed the connection)

L516[23:29:40] <Michiyo> At any rate, @payonel hasn't been around a lot recently, and @Sangar in even longer. Vexatos may have some insight though.

L517[23:30:35]

sangar talked in here a little bit a couple days ago but other than that yeah nobody here's heard from him and he's stepped down from mod dev anyway iirc

L518[23:31:27]

<Latibro> my problem is that i get the error as soon as I do arguments.checkedAny(0), so I'm not able to get hold of the object

L519[23:32:16] * Michiyo bashes head against server

L520[23:32:29] <Michiyo> WHY. CAN'T. YOU. FIND. DISK 1. AND. 2?!

L521[23:32:35]

<Latibro> Trying to browse around in the source to find a loophole but hasn't found one yet

L522[23:33:12]

<Forecaster> https://i.imgur.com/kNNP5b0.jpg

L523[23:33:23]

<Forecaster> Advice for life

L524[23:33:24]

<Latibro> Seems like all access go through the iterator

L525[23:33:32]

<Forecaster> "Which one?"

L526[23:33:35]

<Forecaster> Yes.

L527[23:34:10] <Michiyo> https://drive.pc-logix.com/s/mZnyPxw8TRYTpdK

L528[23:36:04] <Michiyo> YAY! ONLY ONE DISK IS DETECTED NOW!

L529[23:36:52] <Michiyo> 4tb 2.5" disks now plox.

L530[23:38:33] <Webchat177> Yeah this issue happens with the forge universal server jar too

L531[23:39:11] <Webchat177> Not just thermos

L532[23:39:24] <Webchat177> The last change to the motion sensor was may this year

L533[23:39:30] <Webchat177> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/commit/f5b5170f5c0c4df245244ae59ab7684d8f8b61df#diff-8c77806d7350c1bca1a088677b6ecf6be4828db247d29f3fb4b10bfcb76cd525

L534[23:40:25] <Michiyo> Damn it @payonel <_>

L535[23:41:54] <Michiyo> The last change I was able to find was this https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/commit/7933f5d7b45a174609d485040146be2854522fcd#diff-8c77806d7350c1bca1a088677b6ecf6be4828db247d29f3fb4b10bfcb76cd525 which was 2017. I blame Github's general shittyness :P

L536[23:53:36] <Michiyo> ffs that is PITA.

L537[23:54:26] <Michiyo> I think I re-imported the foreign config, and the original single missing disk is rebuilding

L538[23:54:56] <Michiyo> Thankfully when the 2nd disk went missing the whole array offlined, so nothing IN THEORY should be missing.