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L1[00:11:56] <Ar​iri> Izaya: iOS 14 beta done right, optimized for the increased Ram in the next model http://tinyurl.com/yxuvq4pk
L2[00:12:35] <Ar​iri> (it’s actually jb tweaks to simulate it but w/e)
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L4[01:04:55] <Amanda> %choose idle-science while halucinating or unplug for the night
L5[01:04:55] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: I received a message from future you, said to go with "unplug for the night".
L6[01:06:04] <Amanda> Oh, that's why I'm not making ammo. Helps to connect the conveyer
L7[01:06:57] <Amanda> %tell Inari hey hey hey! I found this thing! -drops a half-dead snake onto your pillow-
L8[01:06:57] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Inari will be notified of this message when next seen.
L9[02:26:27] <Ariri> %drink a
L10[02:26:27] <MichiBot> This doesn't seem to be a potion I recognize... Make sure it has an appearance and consistency keyword, and the word "potion" in it.
L11[02:26:30] <Ariri> %drink
L12[02:26:31] <MichiBot> You drink a boiling iron potion (New!). Ariri looks confused as nothing happens.
L13[02:27:15] <Ariri> a
L14[02:28:26] <Ariri> %remindme 4h can
L15[02:28:39] <Ariri> %remindthem Ariri 4h can
L16[02:28:39] <MichiBot> I'll remind Ariri about "can" at 09/22/2020 05:28:39 AM
L17[03:42:33] <Ariri> How do I get wget to handle files with japanese characters properly? It just shows the hex (I think) and 404s
L18[03:43:21] <Ariri> maybe its corrupted or something actually, the ones with spaces work
L19[03:53:16] <Amanda> Encode it as utf-8 then url escape it
L20[03:53:51] <Ariri> Not sure how to do that for recursion into an ftp
L21[03:54:34] <Ariri> I copied the url into my browser and it looked like gibberish so Im assuming it was
L22[03:55:41] <Amanda> the place I get my anime uses romanji for this reason thoigh
L23[03:56:14] <Ariri> Its an open directory so I cant be picky
L24[03:56:15] * Amanda snugs up around Elfi, zzzmews
L25[03:56:27] <Amanda> Night nerds
L26[03:56:42] <Ariri> gnight
L27[03:57:49] <Amanda> %remindthem Amanda 8h fill the one meteor defense thingy before one of takes out the train depot
L28[03:57:50] <MichiBot> I'll remind Amanda about "fill the one meteor defense thingy before one of takes out the train depot" at 09/22/2020 10:57:49 AM
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L36[06:17:37] <CompanionCube> %tonkout
L37[06:17:38] <MichiBot> Uh-oh! Compan​ionCube! You beat simo​n816's previous record of 11 hours, 3 minutes and 30 seconds (By 24 minutes and 51 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L38[06:17:39] <MichiBot> Compan​ionCube has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.011 tonk points! plus 0.01 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 1.43527944. Position #2 Need 0.0735064 more points to pass Forec​aster!
L39[06:28:40] <MichiBot> Ariri REMINDER: can
L40[06:32:34] <Michiyo> can can
L41[06:32:41] <Michiyo> can can can can?
L42[06:32:52] <Michiyo> can can can can!
L43[06:57:32] <Ar​iri> can :)
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L45[07:36:29] <Ariri> %tonk
L46[07:36:30] <MichiBot> Swell! Ar​iri! You beat Compan​ionCube's previous record of <0 (By 1 hour, 18 minutes and 51 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L47[07:36:31] <MichiBot> Ariri's new record is 1 hour, 18 minutes and 51 seconds! Ariri also gained 0.00131 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #9. Need 0.2476 more points to pass Ko​dos!
L48[07:40:57] <Ariri> Is there any way to correct names like this? https://lcars5201.ddns.net/index.php/s/ozF5o57X3Fsq3y7/preview
L49[07:44:12] <CompanionCube> that's some nice mojibake
L50[07:46:14] <CompanionCube> it's a question of finding what the name is *supposed* to be and putting it in the right encoding.
L51[07:46:19] <Ariri> ありがと
L52[07:46:53] <Ariri> I just figured out that Windows doesnt show anything sensical for non unicode stuff, apparently a setting will fix it
L53[07:47:33] <CompanionCube> that seems likely to cause mojibake, yes
L54[07:48:51] <CompanionCube> windows in particular is a mess: windows-1252, ucs-2/utf-16, utf-8...
L55[07:49:28] <Ariri> %blame Microsoft
L56[07:49:29] * MichiBot blames Microsoft for adding DFPWM1 to the inventory!
L57[08:02:03] <Sap​hire> Uhhh
L58[08:02:15] <Sap​hire> Do you want slow way or automatic way?
L59[08:04:12] <Ariri> Saphire: I enabled support for non-unicode stuffs, just waiting for this directory to finish downloading before I restart and it should theoretically show correctly then
L60[08:07:35] <Sap​hire> Uhhh
L61[08:18:59] <Ar​iri> Izaya: this sounds blursed as hell, esp in the beginning, but it’s not that bad https://youtu.be/jJY6YOL0r5M
L62[08:18:59] <MichiBot> The Shelter Behind the Slaughter | length: 3m 41s | Likes: 5,627 Dislikes: 30 Views: 62,754 | by DaymanOurSavior | Published On 4/8/2020
L63[08:19:10] <Ar​iri> anyways, night all
L64[08:19:27] <Ar​iri> once i finish listening to it again
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L66[09:27:56] <Snai​lDOS> Hello theeeeeeeeere.
L67[09:32:50] <SquidDev> %tonk
L68[09:32:50] <MichiBot> Potzblitz! Squi​dDev! You beat Ar​iri's previous record of 1 hour, 18 minutes and 51 seconds (By 37 minutes and 28 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L69[09:32:51] <MichiBot> SquidDev's new record is 1 hour, 56 minutes and 20 seconds! SquidDev also gained 0.00124 (0.00062 x 2) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #4. Need 0.01846416 more points to pass Li​zzy!
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L73[10:30:59] <Snai​lDOS> Whats the point of open security..
L74[10:31:03] <Snai​lDOS> When there is no programs for it..?
L75[10:31:05] <Snai​lDOS> :GWseremePeepoThink:
L76[10:31:25] <Snai​lDOS> There is "The Gaurd" but oh lord its complicated. Couldn't even set up a turrent 😦
L77[10:32:12] <Forec​aster> you write your own programs
L78[10:35:09] <Snai​lDOS> ...
L79[10:44:11] <dequbed> The point of Open Security, just like Open Computers, is to give you an environment to write programs in that affect your game - or real - world. OpenComputers gives you a fairly complete execution environment which OpenSecurity expands with some specific blocks, utilities and functionality.
L80[10:45:07] <dequbed> That is the /entire/ point. The point is not to give you a ready-cooked off-the-shelf solution to prevent griefing by your friends but rather to give you the tools so you can write software that prevents said griefing.
L81[10:45:41] <dequbed> There is a usecase for the first and there are mods that do give you that solution, but they are not OC or OS.
L82[10:57:38] <Snai​lDOS> I know the point. But surely there is something out there for me to use. Its like going to the shops, its ready to use.
L83[10:58:08] <Forec​aster> that's far from guaranteed
L84[10:59:16] <Snai​lDOS> Secure os... used to... exist.
L85[10:59:31] <dequbed> @SnailDOS why should there? Most users of both mods are the kind of people that would prefer writing the code mostly or at least partially themselves. Otherwise they would just use a mod that gives them the pre-cooked solution in the first place.
L86[10:59:43] <Forec​aster> that was just a version of OpenOS you could lock
L87[10:59:47] <Snai​lDOS> Look, Im using a Motion sensor and its not working.
L88[10:59:55] <Forec​aster> it was discontinued because OpenOS has user accounts now
L89[11:00:03] <Snai​lDOS> wait wh-
L90[11:00:05] <Snai​lDOS> does it actually-
L91[11:00:15] <Snai​lDOS> 🤦‍♂️
L92[11:00:22] <Snai​lDOS> i didnt realize that..
L93[11:00:26] <dequbed> And the comparison to shops in the real world is severely lacking. You /pay money/ in shops. Software in this environment being available is a side-effect of people happening to share their code they use, nothing they do because they have any gain from that.
L94[11:00:28] <Snai​lDOS> thats embarrassing.
L95[11:00:40] <Snai​lDOS> Truee
L96[11:00:48] <Izaya> https://twitter.com/JuraVuramee/status/1307720896124260352
L97[11:00:49] <MichiBot> Sun Sep 20 16:38:52 UTC 2020 @JuraVuramee: Looks Java accounts are being migrated to Microsoft accounts! Will be a lot more secure than Mojang accounts 👀and n… <https://t.co/5wR4iIQ0sp&gt;
L98[11:01:06] <Izaya> Soooooo, anyone got a link to that mojang verification server emulator?
L99[11:02:06] <Snai​lDOS> OH GOD
L100[11:02:14] <Snai​lDOS> WAIT, its GETTING MIGRATED?
L101[11:02:17] <Snai​lDOS> WOAH!
L102[11:02:24] <Snai​lDOS> That's actually BIG DEAL.
L103[11:02:27] <dequbed> @SnailDOS again, you're misunderstanding the underlying issue. And your pointed questions that sound like implication are rubbing me very wrong right now. Again.
L104[11:02:36] <Izaya> guess I'll be switching my servers to offline mods from now on
L105[11:02:45] <Snai​lDOS> Yes. Me too....
L106[11:02:53] <Snai​lDOS> sigh
L107[11:02:58] <Izaya> Mode*
L108[11:03:20] <Snai​lDOS> All I am saying, issss the fact that these stupid little motion sensor don't work. Do they work with cords or just whats visible.
L109[11:03:54] <A_D> You're kidding
L110[11:04:04] <A_D> Offline mode for me too, I guess
L111[11:04:10] <Izaya> I seem to remember the OpenSecurity motion sensor returning relative coordinates when you scan for entities
L112[11:04:20] <Snai​lDOS> OOF
L113[11:04:23] <Snai​lDOS> wait what?
L114[11:04:25] <dequbed> Well see that's a *much* better way. I get that you're frustrated, but venting this frustration at us this way is very unproductive and damaging to the conversational climate in this community. Stop it.
L115[11:04:27] <Snai​lDOS> Open security?
L116[11:04:34] <Snai​lDOS> LOL the one im using is open computers
L117[11:05:02] <Snai​lDOS> kms you got to be kidding me
L118[11:05:13] <Snai​lDOS> i didnt see the entity detector..
L119[11:05:16] <Snai​lDOS> UHHHH DARN IT
L120[11:05:35] <dequbed> If you have issues using the motion sensor, asking about that would be much more sensible. "Hey guys, I have trouble getting the motion sensor to work, has anybody some example code I could look at?" would be a much better way of getting help.
L121[11:06:50] <Snai​lDOS> But I don't own the code guys... its the guard software..
L122[11:07:41] <dequbed> Great! More information that would have been useful at the start instead of uttering a half-pointed insult at the OS devs from frustration.
L123[11:07:59] <Snai​lDOS> I aint insulting anyone.
L124[11:08:36] <dequbed> "What's the point of Open Security" "I know the point" I can not understand those two statements of yours as anything other than "OpenSecurity is USELESS".
L125[11:09:23] <dequbed> Which - again - comes from a frustration I can understand and emphatize with. I just dislike the way you are *expressing* that frustration.
L126[11:16:46] <Forec​aster> %sip
L127[11:16:47] <MichiBot> You drink a smooth black potion (New!). Forecaster's shoes are now slightly too large until they have a nap.
L128[11:24:29] <Snai​lDOS> Alright, I don't want to make a darn essay about this, but I am afraid I have too;
L129[11:24:30] <Snai​lDOS> I don't talk in full words, It's just not me, I type the shortest way I can, ESPECIALLY on my phone, I am on computer right now so I can now actually type out what's going on here. Clearly many people dislike me on this community, all I want here is some darn answers, I am not trying to piss anyone off, are ATTEMPT to act like a smart ass. All I want here, is some learning tips, way's to start, some cool operating systems and a place to
L130[11:24:30] <Snai​lDOS> my questions, Now, I am not ffs saying OS is useless all I am stating is I cannot use it, I am not insulting the developers in anyway. I don't understand how someone can make something, and not upload it, It makes no sense what so ever. If I made something, I would upload it so people can edit, change shit around and do whatever the hell they want. But right now I cannot find anything and ya 'all are saying to learn LUA. I already stated
L131[11:24:30] <MichiBot> It's Lua, not LUA. Name not an acronym.
L132[11:24:30] <Snai​lDOS> LEARN IT. Holidays are coming up and nearly all my essay's are complete. It's only a couple of days now, so all I want here is you guys to understand I aint so fucking computer hardcore person who knows everything, all I know is how it works and how to use it, that's all I know. So, when you guys bring up, god knows, i368 can emulate this, like tf does that even mean, AGAIN, Of course I can research it! I can do it right now if I wanted
L133[11:24:30] <Snai​lDOS> Because I am on my computer. On my phone, which I am highly active on this community on, I can't just go to google and shit. All I want here, yes, I will re type it again, is somewhere to be welcomed and a place to ask questions, I am not here to piss anyone off, piss of the developers, I just want to be able to type without people saying: "whaT is WronG WitH thiS pERSOn not KNowing what a 9386 iS". Like I mean, comeone, it's not much to
L134[11:24:31] <Snai​lDOS> it? Again, if you guys don't want me here, I am happy to leave. Now it's time for me to study, I will be back soon.
L135[11:25:35] <Snai​lDOS> ...
L136[11:28:13] <dequbed> Well, first off, there aren't many people here that dislike you, especially not in particular. Don't take this personally, that will get you nowhere and only frustrate you.
L137[11:31:46] <Forec​aster> "what is wrong with this person not knowing what a 9386 is"
L138[11:31:50] <Forec​aster> no one has said this
L139[11:31:57] <Snai​lDOS> its random dude
L140[11:31:58] <Forec​aster> and it's not relevant to OC at all
L141[11:32:00] <Snai​lDOS> idk what it was-
L142[11:32:05] <dequbed> Now about the "not upload it part", that is a fact you will have to accept. And I will *not* stand for you talking bad in any way shape or form about that choice. People that pour creative energy into /anything/ have the sole and inalienable right to NOT SHARE IT. They don't owe it to anybody. I as we ll love it when people do, but I don't *expect* it. If you would always upload everything that is cool and lovely, but don't you DARE expect that fro
L143[11:32:05] <dequbed> m other people.
L144[11:32:10] <Snai​lDOS> it was some microprocessor or something.
L145[11:32:16] <Forec​aster> 90% of the things discussed here are unrelated to minecraft
L146[11:32:46] <Snai​lDOS> I know that- I was just stating the FACT that I was trying to know tf it was.
L147[11:32:58] <Forec​aster> dequbed, in addition, people share lots of things, but you have to know where to look/how to find them
L148[11:33:04] <Snai​lDOS> The upload part, I didn't say upload or die, this isn't a cult or anything LMFAO
L149[11:33:10] <dequbed> @Forecaster I was getting to that.
L150[11:33:31] <dequbed> @SnailDOS You do not have to understand it. But you have to accept it. And SHUT THE FUCK UP about it.
L151[11:33:43] <dequbed> Now, moving on.
L152[11:34:01] <Forec​aster> another issue is that you say you want answers, but you aren't asking very many actionable questions
L153[11:34:11] <dequbed> Forecaster let me write ffs.
L154[11:34:17] <Forec​aster> you mostly seem to say "this isn't working" or "I can't use this" a lot
L155[11:34:29] <Snai​lDOS> @Forecaster i dont ever just say oh it not work
L156[11:34:35] <Snai​lDOS> I always state what isnt working
L157[11:34:38] <Snai​lDOS> like the motion sensor
L158[11:34:43] <Snai​lDOS> which btw STILL IS FUCKING NOT WORKING
L159[11:34:45] <Forec​aster> that's not enough
L160[11:34:58] <M​GR> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/izocudisoc
L161[11:35:00] <Snai​lDOS> that was a bit far- AGAIN IM NOT BLAMMING IT ON ANYONE
L162[11:35:05] <Snai​lDOS> its PROBERLY ME
L163[11:35:10] <Forec​aster> to actually get help you have to describe what you are doing, what you've tried, and what your goal is
L164[11:35:48] <dequbed> Okay fuck it this is getting to heated for me. @SnailDOS, take a break, have a glass of water, food whatever, come back when you're slightly calmer and we can discuss this like adults.
L165[11:37:21] <Snai​lDOS> I'll look at this video.
L166[11:37:26] <Snai​lDOS> oh my god https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uimspQP-1S4&ab_channel=nzHook this guy is mental
L167[11:37:26] <MichiBot> OpenComputers Rail Monitoring - MyRail #14 [Modded Minecraft 1.10.2] | length: 15m 17s | Likes: 82 Dislikes: 5 Views: 6,339 | by nzHook | Published On 21/1/2018
L168[11:37:31] <Snai​lDOS> This guy is so smart
L169[11:38:01] <Snai​lDOS> Oh gosh its happening again, I want to build it-- oh gosh
L170[11:40:43] <Snai​lDOS> ALL THE CODE IS SOURCED TOO
L171[11:40:45] <Snai​lDOS> OH MY GOD
L172[11:41:02] <Forec​aster> please stop it with the caps
L173[11:41:45] <Snai​lDOS> This is AMAZING, its not my fault!
L174[11:41:49] <Snai​lDOS> This guy is so cool!
L175[11:43:40] <Izaya> SnailDOS: real talk, slow down a bit
L176[11:44:37] <Izaya> Typing fast is great and all but expressing what you actually want to say is more important
L177[11:44:50] <Izaya> Plus, if you slow down, you might end up with less typos :)
L178[11:45:17] <Snai​lDOS> Alrighty.. lmao I can't believe it.
L179[11:45:17] <Snai​lDOS> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJOmeCY4zxk&ab_channel=nzHook
L180[11:45:18] <MichiBot> Why can't pigs fly? - MyRail #25 [Modded Minecraft 1.10.2] OpenComputers drone eeprom | length: 16m 6s | Likes: 17 Dislikes: 0 Views: 767 | by nzHook | Published On 19/7/2018
L181[11:45:19] <dequbed> Not that that is very relevant, as long as we can decipher the meaning typos aren't the end of the world.
L182[11:45:23] <Snai​lDOS> The amount of things he done its not even funny.
L183[11:45:34] <Snai​lDOS> He aint doing oc anymore.. \:(
L184[11:48:27] <Kristo​pher38> %tell Inari I watched that talk about manufacturing computer chips and my god, are the processes so complex, I someone pointed out in the comments I can't complain that they cost that much now
L185[11:48:27] <MichiBot> Kristo​pher38: Inari will be notified of this message when next seen.
L186[11:48:45] <Kristo​pher38> as someone*
L187[11:52:46] <Snai​lDOS> Anyone heard of c a v e s t o r y
L188[11:53:03] <Forec​aster> yes
L189[11:53:20] <dequbed> @Forecaster can you DM over Corded?
L190[11:53:28] <Forec​aster> yes
L191[11:53:47] <Snai​lDOS> Really?
L192[11:53:48] <Forec​aster> msg corded `DiscordName: message`
L193[11:53:53] <dequbed> Thank you
L194[11:54:05] <Forec​aster> or from the discord side: `IRCname: message`
L195[11:55:54] <M​GR> It'd be cool if it told you there was nobody with that name, but I'm not sure if that's possible
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L198[11:56:21] <Forec​aster> it's possible
L199[11:56:51] <M​GR> Oh
L200[11:56:57] <M​GR> Then it'd be cool if that was done 🙂
L201[11:57:50] <MichiBot> Amanda REMINDER: fill the one meteor defense thingy before one of takes out the train depot
L202[12:00:51] <Forec​aster> not sure why you'd message someone who doesn't exist :P
L203[12:01:05] <M​GR> What if you made a typographical error?
L204[12:01:15] <Forec​aster> copypaste!
L205[12:01:15] <dequbed> Because you typo'd @"bad at vidjya" or whatever
L206[12:01:33] <Izaya> Topographical error, ended up in wrong statr
L207[12:01:52] <Forec​aster> no @ in the dms
L208[12:02:09] <Forec​aster> not sure if it makes it not work but I know it's not needed
L209[12:02:33] <dequbed> Not using it. Just want to poke that terrible user-name if I even got it right this time.
L210[12:04:33] <Forec​aster> I am curious if the quotes are required though... because MichiBot doesn't do that and if they are it might prevent notices to reach certain people...
L211[12:04:53] <Snai​lDOS> :thonk:
L212[12:05:00] <Snai​lDOS> that failed.
L213[12:05:12] <Forec​ aster> lets see
L214[12:05:13] <Snai​lDOS> I need nitro smh, We cannot msg Michibot though, its a webhook
L215[12:05:29] <Forec​ aster> no
L216[12:05:32] <Snai​lDOS> That's just nicking urself? It wont work would it?
L217[12:05:34] <Forec​ aster> MichiBot is an IRC bot
L218[12:05:44] <Snai​lDOS> oh we need to message the linking thingo
L219[12:05:47] <Forec​ aster> you can msg MichiBot through Corded the same way
L220[12:05:48] <Snai​lDOS> Corded.
L221[12:05:51] <Snai​lDOS> thats right
L222[12:05:55] <Snai​lDOS> \:0
L223[12:06:14] <dequbed> @"Forec aster" pong?
L224[12:06:58] <Forec​ aster> I know that works, I was talking about the dm system specifically
L225[12:07:09] <dequbed> Which I just sent you one of
L226[12:07:21] <Forec​ aster> ah, well I haven't gotten anything
L227[12:07:30] <Forec​ aster> nor from myself
L228[12:07:43] <Forec​ aster> I think that system might not match spaces at all possibly...
L229[12:07:54] <dequbed> I sent two: One to `"Forec aster":` and one to `Forec aster:`
L230[12:08:24] <Forec​ aster> oh, sending to my original name works
L231[12:08:34] <Forec​ aster> hm, maybe it doesn't deal with nicknames
L232[12:10:10] <Izaya> https://arstechnica.com/?p=1708383
L233[12:11:15] <ThePi​Guy24> still not enough ports
L234[12:11:28] <dequbed> Izaya: Question is if these 20 ports each span their own trees or if that's just a hub to one. Because the latter is kinda useless :p
L235[12:12:18] <dequbed> Looking at the board I feel like it's 5 or so chips doing USB and each of those may do either 1, 2 or 4 trees. Meaning it could be either.
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L238[13:02:54] <dequbed> @SnailDOS Anyway, about your essay above, lets just go trough it piece by piece. I do not want to linger on your way of writing too much because it is at this point of lesser relevancy, but a writing style similiar to a stream of conciousness is while easy and fast to write somewhat hard to read. And most importantly, it's bad at getting one's central points across. Acceptable in verbal conversation where you have the momentary attention of your pe
L239[13:02:54] <dequbed> ers, not so much in a chat forum like this where people are often skimming over hours of backlog. At best it will just get your questions ignored, at worst mis-answered. But that is okay, you are free to write that way but to put it bluntly we are free to skip your messages. You don't owe us wordcraft but neither do we owe you attention. Most of us are here for the pleasant chitchat and the enjoyable company, not to play help desk for everybody wal
L240[13:02:54] <dequbed> king in.
L241[13:03:31] <dequbed> Now, don't get it wrong, we are still here and also willing to help people that come looking for help but it's not the main staying reason for the majority
L242[13:04:22] <Forec​ aster> those ended up jumbled on this end
L243[13:04:33] <dequbed> FFs.
L244[13:04:58] <dequbed> @Forecaster Mind reassembling if you can? I'll write shorter messages from now on.
L245[13:05:39] <Forec​ aster> Anyway, about your essay above, lets just go trough it piece by piece. I do not want to linger on your way of writing too much because it is at this point of lesser relevancy, but a writing style similiar to a stream of conciousness is while easy and fast to write somewhat hard to read. And most importantly, it's bad at getting one's central points across. Acceptable in verbal conversation where you have the momentary attention of you
L246[13:05:39] <Forec​ aster> not so much in a chat forum like this where people are often skimming over hours of backlog. At best it will just get your questions ignored, at worst mis-answered. But that is okay, you are free to write that way but to put it bluntly we are free to skip your messages. You don't owe us wordcraft but neither do we owe you attention. Most of us are here for the pleasant chitchat and the enjoyable company, not to play help desk for ever
L247[13:05:39] <Forec​ aster> walking in.
L248[13:05:40] <Forec​ aster> Now, don't get it wrong, we are still here and also willing to help people that come looking for help but it's not the main staying reason for the majority
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L250[13:06:11] <dequbed> @Forecaster Corded appears to drop single words when lines become to long.
L251[13:06:26] <dequbed> Or my client has a bug.
L252[13:06:28] <Forec​ aster> In hindsight I should have embedded it so it was only pasted on the irc side instead of reposted
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L254[13:07:58] <Forec​ aster> IRC's protocol will cut off lines that are too long
L255[13:08:12] <Forec​ aster> it's possible corded is too conservative in splitting them
L256[13:08:44] <Forec​ aster> or it's the addition of the username in the message that is causing it
L257[13:08:56] <Forec​aster> also lets fix my name
L258[13:09:56] <dequbed> @SnailDOS We all apprechiate the fact that people are interested in the same things we are interested in and want to learn about computer science and engineering but we are not here to teach you. We're neither your teachers nor your professors nor your tutors. It's not our job to actively teach you about topics and most of the people here will balk at the idea of doing so.
L259[13:11:16] <dequbed> And that last point is the main reason why you will get answers like "Just learn Lua". It's not that we dislike you, want you to go away or don't think you are worthy of being taught. It's about the fact that teaching, properly educating people about things, even if we know them by heart, is hard work.
L260[13:12:03] <Izaya> Other people have already made these really good resources, might as well use them rather than do it worse ourselves
L261[13:12:11] <dequbed> And most people in here have limited time as it is. They work a dayjob, sometimes two, study in university, have family, have a relationship, have friends they want to spend that time and energy on.
L262[13:12:36] <Snai​lDOS> Im not saying you are.
L263[13:12:45] <dequbed> The fact that I'm writing this is /actively/ stopping me from working. From earning the money I have to earn to pay rent.
L264[13:13:57] <dequbed> @SnailDOS With few exceptions people in here are nerds, hackers and (f|ph)reaks. We love puzzles, hard questions, hacking stuff and figuring stuff out.
L265[13:14:49] <dequbed> But many, myself included, dislike things that stop us from better hacking, better phreaking, better nerding, better puzzling. That's why Izaya hates Microsoft as much for example.
L266[13:15:51] <Izaya> Because they actively destroy everything I care about?
L267[13:16:04] <Izaya> I guess that stops me doing things.
L268[13:16:21] <dequbed> @SnailDOS programming scratches a particular itch for most of us, it's exactly the kinds of puzzles that make brainstalks go tingly. That's part of the reason why many of us do program, at least in their free time IZAYA.
L269[13:16:56] * Izaya squints
L270[13:18:01] <Snai​lDOS> Alright
L271[13:18:41] <ThePi​Guy24> izaya just stares at plants all day
L272[13:18:54] <Izaya> Plants can't hurt me like computers do.
L273[13:18:58] <Izaya> Plants are friends.
L274[13:19:09] <dequbed> And one of the things a few or maybe many of us dislike is inefficient communication. Communication filled with noise. Which is why Izaya is always telling you to write more apt, use less words, write slower. Because less words to read for the same core information transmitted means more time to hack. And more lines of communication that fit on our screens.
L275[13:19:59] <ThePi​Guy24> Izaya: thats where you are wrong kiddo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendrocnide_moroides
L276[13:20:04] <dequbed> And less noise less irelevant information to actively filter. Because every bit of brainpower going towards that means less there to go to hack, to go to puzzle, to go to nerding around.
L277[13:20:32] <Izaya> > The fruit is edible to humans if the stinging hairs that cover it are removed.
L278[13:20:36] <Izaya> Australia in a nutshell.
L279[13:21:39] <Izaya> I was sorting broms with my boss and I end up asking "so most of these are bred and didn't occur naturally right" and she laughs, "these are all bred, none of these would survive outside"
L280[13:21:44] <Izaya> Houseplants are weak shit.
L281[13:22:20] <ThePi​Guy24> just use fern, they grow if there is soil, no other criteria matter
L282[13:22:42] <Izaya> Ferns are cute /o/
L283[13:23:05] <Forec​aster> on fire, grows, drowning, grows, run over by steamroller, grows
L284[13:23:11] <ThePi​Guy24> and it smells nice
L285[13:23:39] <ThePi​Guy24> and its leaves are pretty much a fractal
L286[13:23:47] <Izaya> > Trying to remove a child that doesn't believe we're its parent
L287[13:23:52] <Izaya> Steam, do I need to call the cops?
L288[13:24:10] <dequbed> @SnailDOS Now, about the things you want from here, learning tips, cool operating systems and a place to ask your questions; all of that are things this channel is about. But you have to adjust to this channel. This is not your house, this is not even in your city. In here are people from around the world, speaking a collective 50 languages or so of all cultures, colours and kinds.
L289[13:24:12] <ThePi​Guy24> oh yeah thats a fun thing that pops up :p
L290[13:24:43] <Amanda> Izaya: YOU'RE NOT MY REAL STEP-MOM!
L291[13:25:05] <Izaya> You're damn right I'm not!
L292[13:25:25] <dequbed> @SnailDOS Communication is a two way street, there are always at least two people involved. And if you are saying something but others are misinterpreting it then the communication has failed. This is not about assigning blame because assigning blame is the least useful thing to do. This is about solving the problem. How can we go about that we don't misunderstand each other.
L293[13:25:49] * Amanda checks the sleepy fae in her nook, snuggles back up and goes off to lose another day to factory
L294[13:26:12] <Izaya> currently tring to decide whether to play more spengies or just go to sleep
L295[13:26:13] <dequbed> @SnailDOS And in this channel in particular what happened is that a communication consensus has sort of emerged. A way of treating each other that works for the lot of us. Please do respect that and try to use the same way.
L296[13:26:51] <ThePi​Guy24> play with sponges
L297[13:28:07] <dequbed> @SnailDOS but back to learning. There are great resources in the form of books. Resources that have done the work of structuring the information so somebody can learn from it. If you want a book on Lua, a book on Python or most other languages I'm sure somebody here can help you out. And books really are the best way to learn, much better than asking us.
L298[13:29:36] <dequbed> @SnailDOS That is how I learned, that is how most of us learned in fact. We have favourite books we'll love to recommend as well, complete with comments where you should maybe skip and reference a different book. That is the kind of stuff we can help you with much better.
L299[13:32:06] <dequbed> @SnailDOS all of this is about asking questions. Smartly asking questions. Asking questions that will get you answers, not just here but in all other forums as well. Because see, this is not just #oc. Most forums about most stuff will have the same guiding principle; try to first answer your question yourself, by using google by using archives by reading the code. Then when you have done that and hopefully know more, only then ask your question, in
L300[13:32:06] <dequbed> a concise way.
L301[13:32:54] <dequbed> @SnailDOS There is a tradeoff here; how much time to invest in Research and when to just ask somebody more experienced. And it's not always possible to read the code and get any information from it. That comes with experience which you will get sooner or later.
L302[13:33:18] <dequbed> @SnailDOS just for now have it from me that you are erring too much on the side of asking and too little on the side of researhc.
L303[13:33:30] <Forec​aster> are you going to keep pinging him every other minute
L304[13:33:48] <dequbed> Yes, he's playing a game and will if at all read in backlog.
L305[13:33:56] <dequbed> I hope Discord is good at that.
L306[13:34:36] <ThePi​Guy24> backlog is pretty much the only acceptable part
L307[13:34:51] <dequbed> @Forecaster should I stop pinging in paragraphs then?
L308[13:40:22] <dequbed> @SnailDOS in any regard, being able to do research on your own is something that will help you in life, regardless of if you plan to attent university, go for an apprenticeship or get gainfully employed in other means. It's particularly relevant if you want to go down a route of self-employment where you rarely have a coworker to refer to.
L309[13:43:04] <dequbed> Lastly, about the chats in here; well you see in here are experts of all walks of life that hang aroudn because they enjoy it. When people in here talk about details of the i386 or the Burroughts B6500 or how RISC-V is stupid or about the intricacies of binary execution formats it's simply not meant as study material aimed to be read by first-semester CS students. It's more often than not conversation of people that have to deal with those idiosync
L310[13:43:04] <dequbed> racies on a day-to-day basis and just want to slightly vent at each other.
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L312[13:47:20] <dequbed> While I can understand a curious mind to pique up and want to know more if you are missing the knowledge behind it you can't gain much information from that chat.
L313[13:48:25] <dequbed> Nobody will judge you for missing that knowledge, that is simply not how people in this chat behave. Nobody will judge you for the fact that you want to know more.
L314[13:50:54] <dequbed> But when people chat here to vent or to get some quick information about a specialized topic they don't come here to teach other people the intricacies of x86, of ELF, of whatnot. They come here to vent or to get a quick answer. If you then expect them to explain that complicated topic in depth so somebody not knowledgeable of it can understand it you will at best be ignored.
L315[13:51:12] <Snai​lDOS> Holy shit, thats proberly the most pings I ever had.
L316[13:51:47] <Snai​lDOS> Alright then...
L317[13:52:05] <dequbed> But, if you ask them about where to start learning about those topics you will more likely than not get a good pointer. But even then, be aware that some of us have done this computering business for 30 years, you simply can not learn all they know in an afternoon. :)
L318[13:52:06] <Snai​lDOS> Understood.
L319[13:52:20] <Snai​lDOS> Alright.
L320[13:52:28] <dequbed> Go read it first, then answer.
L321[13:52:35] <Snai​lDOS> I did
L322[13:52:53] <Snai​lDOS> I understand what you mean.
L323[14:02:33] <Izaya> dequbed: I had a great idea on the way to work today
L324[14:03:19] <Izaya> transmissions of small displacement bikes are basically consumables so within 5 years I'll need to replace my bike's transmission
L325[14:03:59] <Izaya> but I realised I should look for a compatible like, race-oriented gearbox with 8 gears instead of 6, so doing highway speeds doesn't mean sitting on 9.5kRPM
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L327[14:05:55] <dequbed> Izaya: That sounds positively dangerous but fun.
L328[14:06:47] <Izaya> How is that dangerous, assuming it all goes back together properly?
L329[14:06:57] <Izaya> It's just more gears B)
L330[14:07:15] <dequbed> Are all the other parts of the drivetrain designed for the higher torque / speed?
L331[14:07:46] <Izaya> well, like I said, the whole transmission is a consumable
L332[14:07:59] <Izaya> ideally I'd find a kit
L333[14:08:12] <dequbed> Well it does sound fun so go for it.
L334[14:08:29] <Izaya> failing that, I feel like the biggest problems would actually be due to the low weight
L335[14:08:41] <Izaya> it's so light it gets blown around really easily >.>
L336[14:08:47] <dequbed> If it weren't for weight I'd be still looking into making a 4x4 serial-hybrid truck. But that *is* heavy.
L337[14:09:11] <dequbed> As in Engine drives generator drives electric motor in the wheel hubs.
L338[14:09:16] <Izaya> yees
L339[14:09:19] <dequbed> More clearance, YES torque.
L340[14:09:25] <dequbed> But Fuckin' Hell weight.
L341[14:09:31] <dequbed> And that's *bad* for offroad.
L342[14:09:46] <dequbed> *Bad* even, capital B.
L343[14:09:47] <Izaya> dequbed: I listened to a radio program about the government's dumb hydrogen fuel cell car plans
L344[14:10:02] <dequbed> Oh they are pulling a mercedes?
L345[14:10:15] <Izaya> They make a little more sense than I thought because they're going to build serial hybrids apparently
L346[14:10:37] <Izaya> and you can use renewable energy to separate the hydrogen in water
L347[14:10:50] <Izaya> (which they're not planning to, by the way, they want to prop up the gas industry)
L348[14:11:05] <dequbed> We CaN dRiVe ArOuNd ThE wOrLd In A hYdRoGeN cAr! Well I can drive around in a electric car as well if I'm followed by a diesel druck *filled* with batteries!
L349[14:11:19] <Izaya> but honestly it just feels like an electric car with more steps
L350[14:11:29] <ThePi​Guy24> i still prefer large diesel engines :p
L351[14:11:32] <dequbed> Arent hydrogen cars always pure electric with a power cell? o.O
L352[14:11:45] <Izaya> my dude
L353[14:11:48] <Izaya> with this government
L354[14:11:57] <dequbed> @ThePiGuy24 in the case of an offroad truck yes. For street use fuck no fuck off.
L355[14:11:57] <Izaya> nothing can be assumed
L356[14:12:28] <ThePi​Guy24> im talking about stationary generators
L357[14:12:29] <Izaya> Like, you COULD have hydrogen powered cars with the hydrogen generated renewably.
L358[14:12:35] <ThePi​Guy24> big chonk ones
L359[14:12:39] <dequbed> Izaya: If they build a hydrogen burner a) I WANT ONE b) that is the positively most stupid idea i heared c) ROCKET CAR GO FOOOOOOOOOOOOSH.
L360[14:12:42] <Izaya> But you could also just power the cars renewably.
L361[14:12:56] <dequbed> Izaya: Yes but power density of hydrogen fuel.
L362[14:13:15] <Izaya> yeah and you can fill up at a servo sure
L363[14:13:16] <Izaya> but it's just
L364[14:13:19] <Izaya> steps
L365[14:13:25] <Izaya> it doesn't have to be this complicated, y'know?
L366[14:13:33] <dequbed> @ThePiGuy24 even worse. Barely sensible in the best of circumstances unless you *severely* lack infrastructure.
L367[14:13:45] <Izaya> Though they are talking about using it primarily to replace diesel engines rather than petrol ones
L368[14:13:56] <dequbed> Izaya: Well I mean *you* are the country with the road-trais that have to have 2000km range. :P
L369[14:14:17] <Izaya> yeah and they tell you to stop, revive, survive every two hours
L370[14:14:19] <dequbed> electric trucks are /cool/ but they simply don't have that.
L371[14:14:33] <Izaya> pull up somewhere to charge your car every 2 hours
L372[14:14:35] <ThePi​Guy24> hydrogen is cool and all but its also hella volatile
L373[14:14:39] <Izaya> >.>
L374[14:14:50] <Izaya> dequbed: yeah I figure that's why they want to use H2 for running trucks
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L376[14:14:56] <Izaya> which is more reasonable than running just cars
L377[14:15:30] <dequbed> @ThePiGuy24 eh. It's oookaaaay. It's not like .. chlorinetriflouride or something. It doesn't *really* go boom.
L378[14:15:59] <ThePi​Guy24> lets just hope no oxygen gets into the tank :p
L379[14:16:09] <dequbed> It won't
L380[14:16:32] <dequbed> And the stochiometric mixture of oxygen and LH2 is not into explosions anytime soon either.
L381[14:16:37] <ThePi​Guy24> although hydrogen is very smol molecule, it escapes very easily
L382[14:17:24] <dequbed> Yep, that is really the biggest issue.
L383[14:17:38] <dequbed> But also not so much for road-trains you see?
L384[14:17:58] <dequbed> Izaya: All that being said, you could just build like regular trains and use renewable power to power them. But that would be work :P
L385[14:18:28] <Izaya> dequbed: That would require the transport minister in 2000 to not own 3 truck companies
L386[14:18:45] <dequbed> Izaya: Australia /not/ being corrupt? HAH!
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L388[14:18:54] <ThePi​Guy24> mmm yes capitalism, my favourite
L389[14:19:16] <dequbed> #JustBlameCapitalism.
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L392[14:34:26] <S3> I wonder how many centimeters per gallon the road trains get
L393[14:36:06] <Bri​anH> I bet they make my 6kilometers per gallon truck look like an electric vehicle
L394[14:36:43] <Izaya> mfw you keep changing units
L395[14:37:14] <Izaya> IIRC L/100km is the standard unit
L396[14:37:17] <S3> I was trying to be ridiculous
L397[14:37:25] <Izaya> ... ohhhhhh
L398[14:37:52] <Bri​anH> though I didn't know about the L/100km
L399[14:38:06] <Bri​anH> according to google, my truck gets 58.8036458 L/100Km
L400[14:39:03] <Izaya> nice, literally 10x the fuel consumption of my bike
L401[14:39:13] <Bri​anH> really?
L402[14:39:26] <Bri​anH> I would expect it to be higher
L403[14:39:36] <Izaya> yeah it's somewhere between 5-10 L/100km depending on how it's ridden
L404[14:39:45] <Izaya> probably more like 10 for mine
L405[14:39:47] <ThePi​Guy24> pints/89376 yards
L406[14:40:02] <dequbed> @BrianH I don't think you did that math right. Even large lorries are in the 40-30l/100Km area. Diesel that is.
L407[14:40:18] <Bri​anH> I feel like the math is wrong
L408[14:40:30] <ThePi​Guy24> is that european trucks or american trucks?
L409[14:40:31] <Bri​anH> well let me do the math by hand then.
L410[14:40:32] <Izaya> dequbed: he drives a ford from the 60s or so, it's not totally out of the question that it just uses absurd amounts of fuel
L411[14:41:20] <dequbed> Izaya: No, that is tripple what I would expect for any ford pickup.
L412[14:41:43] <Izaya> You have more faith in american engineering than me, then.
L413[14:42:01] <dequbed> Like even indirect injection large block diesel by mercedes only get up to 20l/100km for a 7.5t, Ford can't possibly be *that* far behind.
L414[14:42:35] <dequbed> Ariri: I blame you for this YT recommendation! https://youtu.be/mY3sM0jtwaA
L415[14:42:36] <MichiBot> Girls und Panzer in an Armor Piercing Nutshell | length: 52s | Likes: 93,020 Dislikes: 1,656 Views: 2,172,713 | by Gimrak | Published On 19/11/2015
L416[14:46:31] <Bri​anH> doing the math 100 kilometers to miles, divided by 4 mpg, convert to liters, gives me 58.8036458 L/100Km.
L417[14:46:46] <Bri​anH> so yeah I guess its about right
L418[14:47:10] <dequbed> four... FOUR miles per gallon?!
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L420[14:47:17] <dequbed> What the fuck are you driving? A TANK?!
L421[14:47:41] <Bri​anH> PRetty much
L422[14:48:09] <Bri​anH> I'n going to go take a picture of it now that I've been glossing it and stuff
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L424[14:53:23] <Bri​anH> don't worry about the lack of shoulder belts
L425[14:55:03] <Izaya> dequbed: told ya
L426[14:55:10] <Bri​anH> Izata, starting to look a lot better in color now that I've been clear cooating it
L427[14:55:16] <dequbed> S3 if you sent a picture it did't get here.
L428[14:55:18] <Bri​anH> Izata*
L429[14:55:36] <Bri​anH> It's showing to me in discord
L430[14:55:44] <Bri​anH> On two computers so it should be
L431[14:55:56] <dequbed> Well I don't use Discord so
L432[14:55:57] <Izaya> nothing on this end
L433[14:55:59] <dequbed> %actualshrug
L434[14:56:00] <MichiBot> deq​ubed: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L435[14:56:39] <Bri​anH> You may still be downloading? Let me try irccloud
L436[14:56:55] <Izaya> to download would require a link to be sent, no?
L437[14:58:35] <S3> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Ee8Wxndd/image.png
L438[14:58:48] <Bri​anH> try that
L439[14:59:52] <Izaya> so
L440[15:00:06] <Izaya> if my bike was that inefficient
L441[15:00:14] <Izaya> I would be able to go 10.5km on a single tank.
L442[15:00:25] <Izaya> Nice.
L443[15:00:31] <dequbed> @BrianH have you considered upgrading to a German WWII Sd.Kfz. 247 or alternatively the German Sturmgeschütz IV Panzer? They have similar mpg of that piece of scrap metal and are probably better suited to the Maine climate <.<
L444[15:00:47] <Bri​anH> I probably get better mpg though if I have 24,000 pounds than your bike though
L445[15:01:12] <Izaya> That data is unavailable as I feel like I'd need a tad more than 36hp to move that much.
L446[15:01:14] <Izaya> However much that is.
L447[15:01:18] <Bri​anH> so in terms of torque + ability to move ratio to mpg my truck is technically more efficient for the job
L448[15:01:26] <Izaya> 10.8t
L449[15:01:28] <Bri​anH> lets see...
L450[15:01:39] <Izaya> almost 10.9
L451[15:01:51] <Bri​anH> 10886.2169
L452[15:01:55] <Bri​anH> its 12 US tons
L453[15:02:11] <ThePi​Guy24> it would be more effective at moving it, not sure about efficient though
L454[15:02:18] <M​GR> Are we talking about the version with the side skirts, or the one without?
L455[15:02:23] <Izaya> yeah nah I don't see any way you could move that with a 36hp engine, especially one with zero torque
L456[15:02:27] <M​GR> The skirts could get caught in the endless snow
L457[15:02:49] <M​GR> (very late response to the Pz IV joke)
L458[15:02:50] <Bri​anH> the engine alone has over 600 foot pounds of torque. whats the metric unit fo rtorque?
L459[15:02:57] <M​GR> Newton-Meters
L460[15:03:02] <Bri​anH> ok
L461[15:03:05] <dequbed> @MGR the Panzer IV never had side skirts...
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L463[15:03:11] <M​GR> Not Newtons/Meter, to clarify, Newtons*Meters
L464[15:03:15] <dequbed> Not ones that are relevant to snow anyway
L465[15:03:29] <M​GR> https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-66701021338f2b73292283fbae4c6734
L466[15:03:29] <Bri​anH> >= 813.4908Nm
L467[15:03:40] <ThePi​Guy24> ah fuck not again http://tinyurl.com/yxbuxzve
L468[15:03:41] <M​GR> I think the H model had side skirts, one minute
L469[15:03:59] <Bri​anH> But then it hits a 5 speed transmission, with a granny gear
L470[15:04:11] <Bri​anH> and then it goes through another gearbox in the differential that gives me 2 speed
L471[15:04:19] <Bri​anH> its effectively a 10 speed truck
L472[15:04:39] <Izaya> so an EX250H engine has ... 21.6Nm peak
L473[15:04:47] <Izaya> Nice.
L474[15:04:48] <Bri​anH> heh
L475[15:04:56] <Bri​anH> but it also weighs nothing
L476[15:05:05] <Izaya> Like a leaf on the wind.
L477[15:05:08] <M​GR> Ausf H had side skirts
L478[15:05:10] <Bri​anH> I have yet to weigh this truck but my guess is it weighs somewhere between 9000 and 11,000 pounds
L479[15:05:12] <M​GR> J replaced them with wire mesh
L480[15:05:31] <M​GR> I bring them up because I don't know how they'd react to fording deep snow, or if they'd be torn off
L481[15:05:35] <dequbed> @MGR huh, oh well. wire mesh one.
L482[15:05:50] <Izaya> it makes me happy that the wet weight of the bike + me adds up to roughly 200kg
L483[15:05:54] <Bri​anH> though IZaya you have a much higher top speed
L484[15:06:01] <Bri​anH> this truck tops out at like 45
L485[15:06:08] <Izaya> thing has the power-to-weight ratio of a muscle car and it only cost me $300
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L487[15:06:17] <Izaya> this thing only does 160 on paper
L488[15:06:18] <Bri​anH> ~ 72.5 km/h
L489[15:06:22] <Izaya> I've never gotten it above 150
L490[15:06:36] <dequbed> @BrianH what year is your car?
L491[15:06:39] <dequbed> truck*
L492[15:06:41] <Bri​anH> 67
L493[15:06:49] <Bri​anH> it's a 67 F700
L494[15:06:56] <dequbed> ... I ... wat ... WHAT the fuck is FORD DOING?!
L495[15:07:13] <ThePi​Guy24> its ford, dont ask
L496[15:07:26] <Izaya> don't think about it too hard it'll only hurt your brain
L497[15:07:28] <Bri​anH> it also only goes about 5 mph in first gear at 8000 RPM
L498[15:07:45] <Izaya> What's the redline on that monstrosity?
L499[15:07:46] <Bri​anH> but it could pull a house
L500[15:07:52] <Bri​anH> there is non
L501[15:07:54] <Bri​anH> none*
L502[15:07:59] <Bri​anH> it was before vehicles had tachometers
L503[15:08:11] <Izaya> Oh. That's no fun.
L504[15:08:48] <Izaya> https://files.catbox.moe/pgbbfi.jpg
L505[15:09:48] <Izaya> I still can't get over the fact the Honda CBX exists; "What if we put a 1.05L i6 ... in a bike."
L506[15:10:05] <dequbed> Okay. So for /reference/: The Mercedes Kurzhauber, available for 10t payload, top speed 80ish kph, that's like 17l/100km. Availabe in direct injected diesel since 1959.
L507[15:11:05] <S3> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/TFas0WZr/image.png
L508[15:11:22] <Bri​anH> That's the instrument panel
L509[15:11:31] <Bri​anH> dashboard..
L510[15:11:59] <Izaya> do either of you know how practical it would be to read stuff like the speedo, tacho and temp gauge with a computer of some description
L511[15:12:04] <Bri​anH> pretty much just some basic stuff, then your controls like choke for the air / fuel mix on the carburetor
L512[15:12:09] <Bri​anH> throttle override knob
L513[15:12:11] <dequbed> @BrianH have you considered importing a proper truck. I feel like even with American fuel prices that would be worth it.
L514[15:12:33] <Izaya> S3 over here singlehandedly keeping the US oil wars going
L515[15:12:39] <dequbed> Izaya: depends on make/model but with newer things simple as CAN be (pun intended)
L516[15:12:40] <Bri​anH> does it scare you that I only use ethanol free gas in that?
L517[15:12:44] <ThePi​Guy24> get a ЗиЛ :p
L518[15:12:55] <dequbed> @BrianH no absolutely not. I wouldn't use Ethanol either.
L519[15:13:07] <Izaya> dequbed: I'm reasonably confident this thing doesn't have a CAN bus
L520[15:13:16] <Bri​anH> the thing is ethanol free is really important if you dont use lead substitutes
L521[15:13:22] <Bri​anH> it is a leaded fuel engine
L522[15:13:43] <dequbed> Izaya: It depends on the sensor type. Something like a pwm tacho is reasonable simple to read out, pressure ones less.
L523[15:13:51] <Bri​anH> if you use ethanol fuel the valves will weld to the engine block
L524[15:13:58] <Bri​anH> without additives
L525[15:14:08] <dequbed> @BrianH say byebye to your valves either way.
L526[15:14:24] <dequbed> Have you stocked up on replacement parts?
L527[15:14:24] <ThePi​Guy24> a ЗиЛ will run on pretty much anything
L528[15:14:26] <Bri​anH> they dont get hot enough with ethanol free
L529[15:14:42] <Bri​anH> yeah so funny thing about that. the parts for this thing are everywhere
L530[15:14:43] <dequbed> Yeah but without lead additive they are going to die quickly either way.
L531[15:14:49] <Bri​anH> there is no shortage of parts for this truck
L532[15:14:54] <Izaya> dequbed: I'll have to poke em with a multimeter or something
L533[15:15:07] <Izaya> I wanna log stats, basically
L534[15:15:14] <Bri​anH> nah. it's an HD block, the lack of additive won't kill it
L535[15:15:19] <dequbed> @ThePiGuy24 There are more trucks that will do that. Part availablity trumps "can run on anything" every single time.
L536[15:15:23] <ThePi​Guy24> you'd be better of using a scope
L537[15:15:35] <Izaya> don't have a scope q_q
L538[15:15:39] <ThePi​Guy24> thats where the ЗиЛ comes in good :p
L539[15:15:42] <dequbed> Izaya: Hmm, do you have the part#?
L540[15:15:49] <Izaya> not on hand
L541[15:15:54] <dequbed> @ThePiGuy24 not in america, not in europe.
L542[15:15:57] <Izaya> I'll investigate later, I have a spare instrument panel
L543[15:16:02] <Bri​anH> basically it is a 330 cu in v8 in the body of a 390
L544[15:16:17] <Bri​anH> all of the heads and everything are several times heavier
L545[15:16:20] <Izaya> I wanna log like, speed, RPM, engine temperature, tilt angle, maybe a g-force sensor
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L547[15:16:26] <Bri​anH> tyhicker walls,
L548[15:16:39] <Izaya> just for fun
L549[15:16:39] <dequbed> Okay, for the latter three you'll need dedicated sensors.
L550[15:16:55] <Izaya> There's a temperature gauge, can I tap into that?
L551[15:16:56] <dequbed> But they are easy to get by, quarz gyroscope & accelerometer
L552[15:16:58] <Izaya> The latter two for sure though
L553[15:17:07] <dequbed> Err well it depends on the gauge type
L554[15:17:12] <dequbed> Problem is calibration.
L555[15:17:35] <Izaya> yeah I'd have to get like, an IR thermometer or something to set ranges
L556[15:17:35] <dequbed> You don't know it rather. i.e. you read 1.2mV what does that mean? With a ded sensor you know and they are cents apiece.
L557[15:17:43] <Izaya> yeah that's true
L558[15:18:26] <Izaya> gonna end up with an octopus under the seat
L559[15:18:27] <dequbed> There are thermocouples you can screw on the body so you can just insert them between nut and washer on the tranny or something, will get good enough readouts.
L560[15:19:01] <dequbed> For tranny temp that is. Watch out regardless, bunch of screws on tranny and motor are torquespecc'd
L561[15:19:04] <Bri​anH> If, dequbed, I was driving something lighter and more delicate like a thunderbird or galaxie or something I would be using additives
L562[15:19:15] <Izaya> oh yeah I bought a cute ESP32 dev board
L563[15:19:26] <dequbed> Izaya: Neat, can I hack your bike now? :3
L564[15:19:37] <Izaya> not yet, I haven't gotten it yet
L565[15:20:37] <Amanda> %choose construction or logistics
L566[15:20:37] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Wait, what was the question again? Uhh... "logistics"?
L567[15:20:55] <dequbed> Amanda: Build me a town! :O
L568[15:22:43] <dequbed> dequbed: Reminds me, I wanted to log /all/ the data for my truck as well.
L569[15:22:45] <Izaya> Amanda: you should check out the europa relay station some time
L570[15:22:49] <dequbed> Izaya even
L571[15:22:51] <dequbed> I AM TIRED.
L572[15:24:10] <Izaya> dequbed: are you in a similar position to me in wanting the information but not actually having a good use for it?
L573[15:24:45] <Izaya> though I imagine if you're tuning it it would be a useful thing to have
L574[15:25:34] <dequbed> Izaya: Yes but also if one of the vorgelegegetriebezahnrad (I refuse to use the english word for that) eats itself the temperature rises so I can tell before it destroys itself completely.
L575[15:25:50] <dequbed> words even because you need like /5/.
L576[15:26:48] <Izaya> countershaft gear
L577[15:26:50] <Izaya> neat
L578[15:26:55] <Izaya> oooh, know what else would be cool?
L579[15:27:11] <Izaya> something to sense the compression of the suspension
L580[15:27:18] <dequbed> Yeah
L581[15:27:23] <Izaya> maybe a little distance sensor or something
L582[15:27:33] <dequbed> I wanted a way to know the weight of my truck approximately and the load on each wheel
L583[15:28:01] <dequbed> spring compression isn't perfect but in combination with acceleration sensor it might actually work decently enough.
L584[15:29:00] <Izaya> I figured I'd mount distance sensor of some sort next to the shock, use that
L585[15:31:54] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/xmpp/upload/Ry5vGlPMqYgsa61a/1567355464083-o.jpg
L586[15:32:11] <Bri​anH> Hm. I keep blowing the fuse to the differential
L587[15:32:32] <Bri​anH> I just tried it and the rear axle wasnt shifting gears again
L588[15:32:43] <Bri​anH> Fuse itself keeps exploding
L589[15:33:35] <Bri​anH> I think what's happening is that the planetary clutch isn't meant for 12 volts and it needs the voltage regulator I removed
L590[15:34:10] <Bri​anH> But because of its design it will still take it and with it more power which Melts the fuse
L591[15:37:12] <Forec​aster> hoo boy
L592[15:37:35] <Forec​aster> my old boss just called and wondered if I was available for some work on some old websites I worked with when I worked for them
L593[15:37:44] <Forec​aster> so now I have to come up with a consulting rate of some sort
L594[15:37:51] <dequbed> @Forecaster US?
L595[15:37:57] <Forec​aster> no
L596[15:38:03] <Forec​aster> I live in Sweden
L597[15:38:06] <dequbed> I can give you mine if you want :P
L598[15:38:23] <dequbed> Also, do you /want/ the job or not? :P
L599[15:38:28] <Izaya> S3: I gotchu
L600[15:38:36] <Forec​aster> well yeah, I'd like some extra money
L601[15:38:37] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/xmpp/upload/sN7wk9jAWnBREXXu/1558724079576-o.jpg
L602[15:38:40] <Bri​anH> Oh I didn't know forecaster was swedish
L603[15:38:44] <Bri​anH> That's cool
L604[15:39:23] <Forec​aster> I did only say I live here, but as it happens I've never lived anywhere else :P
L605[15:39:36] <dequbed> @Forecaster I'm not sure about self-employment laws in Sweden, so figure that out but my base rate is generally 2.2x as much as I would earn if I worked there so taxes are fine and +160EUR/h if I don't really want the job.
L606[15:40:48] <Forec​aster> I have a registered company, so taxes aren't an issue
L607[15:41:27] <dequbed> taxes, social security et. al. 2.2x means I generally earn as much a month after all that but with more freedom.
L608[15:41:29] <Forec​aster> although it's a business to business transaction so I'm not sure how that works
L609[15:42:00] <Izaya> .choose bed or space engineers
L610[15:42:04] <dequbed> Bed,
L611[15:42:04] <Izaya> %choose bed or space engineers
L612[15:42:05] <MichiBot> I had an exception... ow. Here's the stacktrace: https://paste.pc-logix.com/zodukaxexu
L613[15:42:15] <Forec​aster> huh
L614[15:42:19] <Izaya> instructions unclear, engineered bed into space
L615[15:42:53] <Forec​aster> ah
L616[15:43:07] <Forec​aster> lemme fix that real quick
L617[15:43:21] <Amanda> while you're at it, fix %remindme .:P
L618[15:44:04] <Forec​aster> I haven't seen an error from that, so I don't know what the problem is
L619[15:44:30] <Forec​aster> I'll try to reproduce it
L620[15:48:44] <bad at​ vijya> Izaya: vtec just kicked in yo
L621[16:02:17] <Forecaster> %restart
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L624[16:02:37] zsh sets mode: +v on MichiBot
L625[16:06:19] <SquidDev> %tonkout
L626[16:06:19] <MichiBot> Sard! Squi​dDev! You beat your own previous record of 1 hour, 56 minutes and 20 seconds (By 4 hours, 37 minutes and 9 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L627[16:06:20] <MichiBot> Squi​dDev has tonked out! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.006 tonk points! plus 0.01 bonus points for consecutive hours! Current score: 1.08883584, Position #4 Need 0.00246416 more points to pass Li​zzy!
L628[16:09:24] <ta​co> %tonk
L629[16:09:28] <ta​co> how
L630[16:10:27] <Forec​aster> how what?
L631[16:23:58] <Ar​iri> dequbed: hehe
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L633[16:29:23] <ThePi​Guy24> dargh this disk aint good http://tinyurl.com/yytvqtlv
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L635[16:34:11] <Ar​iri> The one on the right reminds me of Lizzy’s discord avatar http://tinyurl.com/y6qm3fdj
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L637[16:42:42] <dequbed> Ariri: Should I worried by your giggle? o.o
L638[16:44:02] <Ariri> dequbed, perhaps :3
L639[16:45:14] <Forec​aster> %sip
L640[16:45:15] <MichiBot> You drink a resonating iron potion (New!). The ghost of a plant haunts Forecaster until they tonk.
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L642[16:45:35] <Forec​aster> %tonk
L643[16:45:35] <MichiBot> Bejabbers! Forec​aster! You beat Squi​dDev's previous record of <0 (By 39 minutes and 15 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L644[16:45:36] <MichiBot> Forecaster's new record is 39 minutes and 15 seconds! Forecaster also gained 0.00065 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #1.
L645[16:47:08] <Forec​aster> I think around 430 sek/h
L646[16:50:31] <Ariri> Inari, catshaak go gwar https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/ixod6p/neko_shark/
L647[17:25:47] <Forec​aster> that's about $48/h
L648[17:42:06] <ThePi​Guy24> what is this disk doing http://tinyurl.com/y2vkwncg
L649[17:43:11] <Ar​iri> Jumping jacks
L650[17:43:18] <Ar​iri> Amanda: https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/ixpmf2/sleeping_cat_house_i_know_you_guys_love_to_live/
L651[17:44:14] <ThePi​Guy24> most tracks read fine, some read after a bit of persistence, and some dont read at all (fail 4 read attempts)
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L660[21:34:43] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L661[21:34:43] <MichiBot> Kapow! Compan​ionCube! You beat Forec​aster's previous record of 39 minutes and 15 seconds (By 4 hours, 9 minutes and 52 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L662[21:34:44] <MichiBot> CompanionCube's new record is 4 hours, 49 minutes and 8 seconds! CompanionCube also gained 0.00416 tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #2. Need 0.0699964 more points to pass Forec​aster!
L663[22:03:38] <Ar​iri> dequbed: I’ve had an idea(s)
L664[22:14:27] <Atl​asim> uh whats the irc name
L665[22:15:02] <Michiyo> server is irc.esper.net channel is #oc
L666[22:15:08] <ThePi​Guy24> ^
L667[22:15:09] <Atl​asim> ok
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L669[22:17:09] <Atlasim> test
L670[22:17:16] <Atlasim> yes it does work
L671[22:17:18] <ThePi​Guy24> success
L672[22:17:37] <Atl​asim> is chatting on both weird ?
L673[22:17:43] <Atlasim> yes
L674[22:17:47] <Atlasim> it is
L675[22:17:55] <ThePi​Guy24> not really
L676[22:17:59] <Atlasim> well
L677[22:19:01] <Atlasim> (i must find a better client)
L678[22:19:05] <Atlasim> circ is bad
L679[22:20:40] <Atlasim> and i still need to learn better
L680[22:21:28] <Atlasim> cause im bad
L681[22:22:27] <Atl​asim> and the chat died
L682[22:23:25] <Amanda> %calc 1000 - 688
L683[22:23:25] <MichiBot> 1000 - 688 => 312
L684[22:23:59] <Michiyo> It's not "dead"
L685[22:24:11] <Michiyo> It's just not active ALL the time.
L686[22:24:14] <Forec​aster> Aaah a zombie!
L687[22:24:17] <Atlasim> well yea
L688[22:25:44] * Michiyo pokes Eclipse
L689[22:25:50] <Michiyo> c'mon... work...
L690[22:29:17] ⇦ Parts: Atlasim (~Atlasim@modemcable201.27-130-66.mc.videotron.ca) ())
L691[22:40:33] ⇦ Quits: baschdel (~baschdel@2a02:6d40:3602:3501:c35f:e8ad:6014:cb30) (Ping timeout: 189 seconds)
L692[22:48:49] * Ariri reanimates Eclipse
L693[23:04:16] <Ariri> Izaya: Risu built an Australian house https://i.redd.it/26qzwugmsqo51.png
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L696[23:49:14] <Izaya> Ariri: idk who risu is but I have a sudden need to build a queenslander in something
L697[23:50:14] <Ariri> Do it in SE :^P
L698[23:54:38] <ThePi​Guy24> just build the entireity of australia
L699[23:54:41] <ThePi​Guy24> outback and all
L700[23:54:49] <ThePi​Guy24> and make it fly
L701[23:55:22] <Amanda> Inari: you can't just go leaving paintings of figurines, paitin gmistake and all of the figurine, in damp caves ontop of a mountian!
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