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L1[00:00:48] <Izaya> most gvfs stuff is lazy
L2[00:03:06] <Amanda> it's also probably an optimisation to avoid making a round-trip for filesthat don't exist. It just doesn't proactivelyfill the cache
L3[00:07:45] <Izaya> if the file server is on your LAN you may be interested in NFS or SMB
L4[00:13:14] <ThePi​Guy24> ftp :p
L5[00:13:25] <Izaya> is shit
L6[00:13:38] <ThePi​Guy24> its better than smb
L7[00:13:45] <Izaya> debatable
L8[00:13:49] <Izaya> there's no reason to use FTP when sftp exists either way
L9[00:13:57] <ThePi​Guy24> speed
L10[00:14:03] <Izaya> sftp -C
L11[00:14:26] <ThePi​Guy24> there is still encryption overhead
L12[00:15:16] <Izaya> gotta be a pretty weak machine for that to matter
L13[00:15:50] <Izaya> and that's me saying that
L14[00:15:50] <ThePi​Guy24> like a 6502 :p
L15[00:16:17] <bad at​ vijya> 3000 knots per second
L16[00:16:29] <ThePi​Guy24> yes
L17[00:16:40] <Izaya> I'll concede that 70s and early 80s processors are a valid reason to use FTP
L18[00:26:05] <CompanionCube> Izaya: inb4 FTPS
L19[00:26:18] <Izaya> the worst of both!
L20[00:35:13] <ThePi​Guy24> you are aware that already exists
L21[00:36:21] <Amanda> thatsthejoke.tiff
L22[00:37:04] <Amanda> ... fucking meterorite smashed down in my factory while I was idling for science to complete.
L23[00:38:12] <Amanda> killed an ore warehouse.
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L25[01:33:43] <Amanda> %choose space and radiation or halucinate
L26[01:33:43] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Somebody once told me to roll with "space and radiation"
L27[01:46:03] <Izaya> https://gemini.circumlunar.space/docs/specification.html
L28[01:47:03] <Izaya> ooo
L29[01:47:16] <Izaya> > Sending an absolute URL instead of only a path or selector is effectively equivalent to building in a HTTP "Host" header. It permits virtual hosting of multiple Gemini domains on the same IP address.
L30[01:49:08] <Izaya> might write up a gemini libdownload thingo
L31[01:49:41] <Izaya> > requires TLS
L32[01:49:42] <Izaya> never mind
L33[01:53:33] <Izaya> Ariri: I put some real landing pads around, and another dock
L34[02:02:56] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/media/3041c8aaad8fb1e24643f7d28e458a3934f721542839594550faaf397491116e.webm
L35[02:04:43] <Amanda> Izaya went to the MC Escher school of archetecture, I see
L36[02:07:05] <Izaya> Gravity is a social construct
L37[02:07:24] <Amanda> hell yeah, tear down the gravarchi
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L42[02:15:58] <prisma> So.. apparently I can't download a copy of Windows 7 using my laptop's OEM key.
L43[02:16:00] <prisma> Fuck.
L44[02:16:36] <Izaya> Time to yarr a copy?
L45[02:16:50] <prisma> I would, but my VPN doesn't allow for torrenting
L46[02:17:02] <Izaya> so turn it off
L47[02:17:07] <Izaya> microsoft wants you to pirate windows
L48[02:17:19] <prisma> I'm on a monitored network, not about to perform questionably legal actions
L49[02:17:26] <Izaya> oh, fair
L50[02:17:38] <Izaya> I'd slap a copy on my webserver but lmao australian internet
L51[02:18:39] <prisma> even if you did it'd probably take an age for me to download :p
L52[02:18:42] <prisma> NZ internet go brrrrr
L53[02:19:06] <Izaya> hm, I don't have an unaltered copy so you can search for a hash either
L54[02:19:09] <Izaya> inconvenient
L55[02:19:40] <prisma> If only Neptunia games didn't run like ass on Proton
L56[02:19:46] <prisma> Hell, some of them don't even run at all
L57[02:19:51] <Izaya> no tweaks you can do?
L58[02:19:57] <prisma> Not that I know of.
L59[02:20:16] <Izaya> guess no fast neptunia for you for now then
L60[02:20:36] <prisma> I've checked ProtonDB, and none of the tweaks suggested work.
L61[02:20:42] <Izaya> feels bad
L62[02:21:02] <prisma> Also the fact that I have integrated graphics... probably doesn't help.
L63[02:21:25] <Izaya> I'm not sure how intense a game it is, but probably
L64[02:21:29] <prisma> On 4GO, it runs but I get like.. 2 fps
L65[02:22:56] <prisma> And then some games that used to work have stopped working even though I changed nothing. Which is fun.
L66[02:24:49] <prisma> Hmm, Steam says I got an achievement on August 14th...
L67[02:24:55] <prisma> and also it says I got the same one on August 15th.
L68[02:25:28] <prisma> I'm so good at the game I got the achievement twice
L69[02:31:16] <prisma> ah yes, I love it when games store music in .dat files instead of actual audio files despite the fact that the .dat file is literally an audio file openable by VLC
L70[02:32:12] <prisma> i can literally change the ext to .ogg and it plays fine ._.
L71[02:32:31] <Izaya> friendly reminder that flac and ogg are the only valid audio file formats, the rest should burn
L72[02:32:55] <prisma> ogg is nice, but i wish more things supported it
L73[02:33:00] <prisma> MP3 is like FAT but for music
L74[02:33:07] <prisma> everything under the sun reads it
L75[02:33:10] <Izaya> maybe I'm just lucky but I've never had anything not work with vorbis
L76[02:33:24] <Izaya> opus is mildly spottier but it's basically fine
L77[02:33:25] <prisma> software or hardware?
L78[02:33:32] <Izaya> both
L79[02:33:34] <prisma> huh.
L80[02:34:00] <Izaya> though the only apple thing I've ever had is an eMac G4 and it got Debian on it anyway
L81[02:34:04] <Izaya> I gather Apple isn't into sane formats.
L82[02:34:19] <prisma> Apple isn't into sane anything :p
L83[02:34:32] <Izaya> I disagree
L84[02:34:40] <prisma> At least, not anymore
L85[02:34:44] <Izaya> for the first time since ... 2005 they're using sane processors again
L86[02:35:03] <prisma> I thought they were using ARM?>
L87[02:35:07] <Izaya> yeah
L88[02:35:34] <prisma> so I suppose Bootcamp is no longer
L89[02:35:36] <Izaya> I mean they've been using them in mobile devices for a long time, but I'm talking desktop machines
L90[02:35:45] <prisma> because I doubt Windows will run on an ARM chip
L91[02:36:00] <Izaya> you could run ARM Windows
L92[02:36:09] <Izaya> so you could run uh
L93[02:36:14] <prisma> aren't most windows program x86
L94[02:36:18] <Izaya> anything you can compile
L95[02:36:21] <prisma> %s/program/programs
L96[02:36:22] <MichiBot> <prisma> aren't most windows programs x86
L97[02:36:30] <Izaya> so like, firefox, PuTTY, VLC, basically anything FOSS
L98[02:36:37] <Izaya> yeah
L99[02:36:45] <Izaya> windows is the reason we've been stuck with shitty processors for the last 30 years
L100[02:37:04] <prisma> x86 is alright as a processor
L101[02:37:10] <prisma> the instruction set, though..
L102[02:37:19] <Izaya> don't get me wrong
L103[02:37:22] <Izaya> they're effective
L104[02:37:23] <prisma> x86 ASM is a fucking mess afaik
L105[02:37:35] <Izaya> but they're insanely complicated
L106[02:37:56] <Izaya> and we've basically hit the peak of what you can do with it now
L107[02:38:05] <prisma> Linux ARM when
L108[02:38:08] <prisma> Now, probably
L109[02:38:13] <Izaya> 1998
L110[02:38:18] <Izaya> or so
L111[02:38:30] <prisma> so.. Linux has always supported ARM?
L112[02:38:41] <Izaya> no, it started for the 386
L113[02:39:11] <Izaya> but there were a decent few ARM machines in the late 90s, and there's only been more since
L114[02:39:33] <Izaya> also
L115[02:39:36] <Izaya> ARM is a mess too
L116[02:39:47] <Izaya> but it's slightly less of a mess than x86
L117[02:40:17] <Izaya> but any change is good, because any change makes it easier to change architecture to something better later
L118[02:42:00] <ThePi​Guy24> RiscOS is the original ARM OS
L119[02:42:12] <Izaya> it's cute, too
L120[02:42:32] <Izaya> friendly reminder that it's a cooperative multitasking OS that doesn't suck
L121[02:42:45] <ThePi​Guy24> although it goes against nearly every current operating system convention that exists
L122[02:43:27] <Izaya> and that's not necessarily a bad thing
L123[02:44:14] <ThePi​Guy24> that reminds me that i still ought to do that project thing that allows you to use a RPi as a copro in a beeb
L124[02:45:00] <ThePi​Guy24> and run the original elite at high speed :p
L125[02:47:40] <ThePi​Guy24> long live the Acorn Risc Machine
L126[02:48:09] <ThePi​Guy24> and also fuck nvidia
L127[02:50:14] <Izaya> that's a thing innit
L128[02:50:21] <Izaya> conflicting
L129[02:50:57] <Izaya> wonder if this will result in ARM becoming as obnoxious as NVIDIA
L130[02:59:12] <ThePi​Guy24> its a shame RISC V isnt as big, as thats pretty much the only thing left
L131[02:59:24] <ThePi​Guy24> although it has the benefit of open source
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L134[03:11:07] <Ko​dos> %tonk
L135[03:11:07] <MichiBot> Fudge! Ko​dos! You beat Ar​iri's previous record of 5 hours, 18 minutes and 27 seconds (By 4 hours, 12 minutes and 19 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L136[03:11:08] <MichiBot> Kodos's new record is 9 hours, 30 minutes and 47 seconds! Kodos also gained 0.02526 (0.00421 x 6) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #8. Need 0.00809 more points to pass simo​n816!
L137[03:52:24] <CompanionCube> Izaya: with ARM, instead of instruction set messiness you get hardware messiness
L138[03:52:47] <Izaya> and no standardised chipset/bootloader/etc
L139[03:53:05] <CompanionCube> hey in the past decade they decided to fix it
L140[03:53:13] <CompanionCube> the solution's terrible though
L141[03:54:57] <CompanionCube> What's messy is the rpi architecture, especially pre rpi4
L142[04:08:29] <ThePi​Guy24> dont you just jove it when the cheapo store brand floppies that you bought a few years ago off ebay degrade to the point where they have so many bad sectors that it is barely usable
L143[04:11:24] <Amanda> @ThePiGuy24 I'm reminded of those joke sites that usedto be around, "Store 1 whole bit free!"
L144[04:12:54] <Izaya> cursed idea
L145[04:13:07] <Izaya> cloud storage but it just keeps files in cookies
L146[04:13:07] <ThePi​Guy24> well thats all these disks are really usable for, but i wouldnt even trust them for that
L147[04:13:20] <ThePi​Guy24> Izaya: no
L148[04:13:34] <ThePi​Guy24> we have local storage for a reason
L149[04:14:16] <Izaya> my point is
L150[04:14:25] <Izaya> cloud storage but really it just stores files on the user's computer
L151[04:15:00] <Izaya> ... is there any point to making these small supercapacitor blocks?
L152[04:15:10] <Izaya> They'll store like, 5KW
L153[04:15:11] <ThePi​Guy24> ~~local storage but it actually stores files in the cloud~~ wait no thats a chromebook
L154[04:15:16] <Bri​anH> phew
L155[04:15:21] <ThePi​Guy24> use them as memory cells :p
L156[04:15:27] <Bri​anH> what a mess
L157[04:15:34] <ThePi​Guy24> budget DRAM
L158[04:15:45] <Izaya> I'm reminded of that ... dilbert? comic
L159[04:15:59] <Izaya> no, it was crunchy
L160[04:16:03] <Bri​anH> Dilbert, oh yes
L161[04:16:07] <Izaya> a water-powered computer
L162[04:16:14] <Bri​anH> "We appear to have a 6502 system run by a family of squirrels!"
L163[04:16:16] <Izaya> you could store as many bits as fit in the tank
L164[04:16:44] <Bri​anH> store a qubit
L165[04:17:19] <Izaya> the small deep storage battery is going to be pain also
L166[04:17:51] <Izaya> 500KW, but you can only I/O at 20KW at a time
L167[04:17:56] <Izaya> that might be enough for an antenna
L168[04:19:40] <Izaya> Oooh, RTGs would be neat also
L169[04:20:50] <Izaya> takes uranium ingots to make, can't be recharged, has lots of power and a little bit of output
L170[04:23:34] <ThePi​Guy24> useful for space computers
L171[04:24:20] <Bri​anH> whatchya doin
L172[04:24:25] <Izaya> modding SE
L173[04:24:30] <Bri​anH> aha
L174[04:24:33] <Bri​anH> I hate C#...
L175[04:24:44] <Izaya> I'm only abusing XML for block definitions
L176[04:24:45] <Bri​anH> They should have gone with Lua or something
L177[04:24:52] <Izaya> I kinda agree
L178[04:25:05] <Izaya> but also if they do C# they can expose the internal API easily enough
L179[04:25:31] <Bri​anH> sounds like a bad idea to me
L180[04:25:53] <Izaya> but that's from a programmable block standpoint
L181[04:25:59] <Izaya> not internal code standpoint
L182[04:26:15] <Izaya> internal code wise, it's not a C or C++ engine with logic in C#, to my knowledge it's all C#
L183[04:26:26] <Izaya> KSH is a very Microsofty shop
L184[04:26:47] <Bri​anH> It'd be nice to make a Lua block mod but
L185[04:26:53] <Bri​anH> I dunno how well that'd go over
L186[04:27:02] <Bri​anH> libraries and all
L187[04:27:04] <Izaya> I found a forth in C#
L188[04:27:12] <Bri​anH> that would be very good
L189[04:27:16] <Izaya> once I figure out how to get input to it that'll be my programming environment
L190[04:27:22] <Izaya> running on a programmable block
L191[04:27:31] <Bri​anH> problem with that is the grid would need some sort of networked event system
L192[04:27:35] <Bri​anH> for it to work well
L193[04:27:54] <Izaya> my cursed idea was to have a second programmable block acting as an input device
L194[04:27:56] <Bri​anH> otherwise you need to do nasty FFI glue
L195[04:27:59] <Izaya> then you type your input in octal
L196[04:28:07] <Bri​anH> hah
L197[04:28:16] <Izaya> have it all hotbar'd
L198[04:28:27] <Bri​anH> Forth makes a ton of sense for space control btw
L199[04:28:30] <Bri​anH> I've mentioned that before
L200[04:28:41] <Bri​anH> orbital space stations, etc
L201[04:29:07] <Bri​anH> it'd be cooler if you could map buttons in the ship that had a snippet of forth code to send to the computer
L202[04:29:24] <Bri​anH> like you press an airlock button
L203[04:29:33] <Bri​anH> and instead of mapping to the grid devices
L204[04:29:42] <Bri​anH> it just told the forth computer some forth code to run that did all of it
L205[04:30:05] <ThePi​Guy24> ok after a few zeroing passes, the disk no longer reports errors
L206[04:30:17] <Bri​anH> what disk is this?
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L208[04:30:24] <ThePi​Guy24> a floppy
L209[04:30:34] <Ocawesome101> o/
L210[04:30:40] <Ocawesome101> hi piguy
L211[04:30:45] <Bri​anH> I have a floppy disk that format.com wont even format the first block on
L212[04:30:57] <Bri​anH> and when you put it in the drive it makes loud buzzing noises that aren't normal
L213[04:30:58] <ThePi​Guy24> hi oca
L214[04:31:03] <Ariri> Izaya: F*ck gravity, all my friends repel gravitons. And sweet pads, Ive decided to get better at small ship building before attempting a behemoth carrier
L215[04:31:06] <CompanionCube> maybe don't buy disks that seem to be flakier than mongodb
L216[04:31:07] <Bri​anH> but it doesnt look physically damaged
L217[04:31:16] <Ocawesome101> hmmm that doesn't sound good
L218[04:31:18] <Bri​anH> rofl
L219[04:31:26] <Bri​anH> these are old disks I had majong on
L220[04:31:31] <ThePi​Guy24> does it do that with other disks?
L221[04:31:35] <Bri​anH> no
L222[04:31:39] <ThePi​Guy24> hmm
L223[04:31:48] <Izaya> so
L224[04:31:49] <Bri​anH> my other disks have problems that aren't fixable either.
L225[04:31:54] <Izaya> these batteries give you the power cells back
L226[04:31:55] <ThePi​Guy24> guess it could just be a cruddy disk
L227[04:32:07] <Izaya> but also don't start with any power
L228[04:32:09] <Izaya> seem reasonable?
L229[04:32:11] <Bri​anH> However, I just bought a 10 pack of floppies still in package
L230[04:32:27] <Bri​anH> so far
L231[04:32:38] <ThePi​Guy24> ok now the drive is erroring again
L232[04:32:40] <ThePi​Guy24> fun
L233[04:32:45] <Bri​anH> haha
L234[04:33:13] <Ariri> Izaya: Yeah, the vanilla batts turn into scrap to avoid abuse I suspect
L235[04:33:22] <Izaya> yeah that's the reasoning I've read
L236[04:33:34] <ThePi​Guy24> the first ~900k of the disk is error free, then theres a patchy area for ~200k, then the rest is fine
L237[04:34:06] <Michiyo> I can't convince my controller to bring the 4th drive back into the array <_<
L238[04:34:21] <ThePi​Guy24> throw it at a wall until it does
L239[04:34:31] <Ariri> Michiyo, have you tried pleading to the cat goddesses?
L240[04:35:01] <Bri​anH> ThePiGuy24 ensure you are using a 1.474560 MB disk.
L241[04:35:02] <Bri​anH> 😄
L242[04:35:06] <Amanda> Have you tried bribing them with pizza, Michiyo?
L243[04:35:12] <Michiyo> I'm thinking with the failed battery when we lost power last night the config broke.. and I can't unbreak it :/
L244[04:35:18] <Bri​anH> if you didnt know thats the EXACT size of a 1.44 MB floppy disk
L245[04:35:20] <ThePi​Guy24> its 1440k
L246[04:35:29] <ThePi​Guy24> well, ki
L247[04:35:51] <Bri​anH> well ok I cheated
L248[04:35:54] <Bri​anH> it's 1474560 B
L249[04:37:22] <Amanda> I was actually surprised. My dad knows how to talk to IT people. For a work thing he was having trouble getting a printer working on the resort's wifi, so he showed up at the resort's IT department with doughnuts and coffee to ask for help
L250[04:37:43] <Bri​anH> ROFL
L251[04:37:59] <Izaya> Bribery is the best way to get service quickly tbh
L252[04:38:29] <Izaya> When I put my bike in to the shop I always leave something nice with it
L253[04:38:57] <Bri​anH> I don't get customers bringing me stuff
L254[04:39:23] <Bri​anH> sometimes I get customers at the end of phone calls saying something like "Are you married btw?"
L255[04:39:27] <Michiyo> yay, figured out how to clear the foreign config and start a rebuild from OpenManage, without having to reboot into the RAID config
L256[04:39:30] <Ariri> Win a way to someones heart with a bit of sugar or cholesterol to induce cardiovascualt problems
L257[04:39:38] <Ariri> cardiovascular*
L258[04:40:00] <Bri​anH> lol
L259[04:40:01] <Izaya> Alright, time to try this battery mod.
L260[04:40:06] <Bri​anH> Ariri is a demon
L261[04:40:07] <Izaya> Also my abused HUD mod.
L262[04:41:02] <Ariri> BrianH, I have no idea what you're referring to- Im a Magic Ariri-1 with newly endowed fairy powers
L263[04:41:10] <Ariri> Just as dequbed
L264[04:41:11] <Ariri> ask*
L265[04:41:14] <Bri​anH> Ah Ok
L266[04:41:29] <Bri​anH> I need to change my nickname to something
L267[04:42:12] <Ariri> BrianI
L268[04:42:20] <Ariri> If you say it, it sounds like brainy
L269[04:42:55] <Bri​anH> ...
L270[04:43:05] <Bri​anH> people used to call me brain
L271[04:43:29] <Amanda> Whatever you say Sophia. :D
L272[04:43:47] <Corded> * <Bri​anH> runs
L273[04:45:25] <Bri​anH> bash quote still pending moderation
L274[04:46:05] <Izaya> do batteries charge themselves in creative?
L275[04:46:24] <Bri​anH> yes
L276[04:46:27] <Bri​anH> very fast
L277[04:46:29] <Ariri> If you set it to recharge, I would think so
L278[04:46:54] <Izaya> guess I'll switch to survival and enable creative-mode tools then
L279[04:46:56] <Izaya> >.>
L280[04:47:16] <Ariri> Thats what I did for my design SP
L281[04:47:31] <Ariri> Also, do we have armor thrusters on the server?
L282[04:48:03] <S3> you got a server running huh
L283[04:48:08] <Izaya> not presently
L284[04:48:14] <Izaya> is it up-to-date?
L285[04:48:29] <Izaya> I'm iffy about using those "last updated in 2015" sorta mods
L286[04:48:36] <S3> LOL
L287[04:48:41] <S3> I have tons of mods
L288[04:48:55] <S3> most of them work
L289[04:49:17] <Izaya> I try to avoid too many mods because the game can only use 4GB of VRAM
L290[04:49:18] <S3> most authors are smart enough to tell you they are broken
L291[04:49:22] <S3> in the description
L292[04:49:22] <Ariri> Izaya, no i was just asking, my memory was fuzzy involving them
L293[04:49:30] <Izaya> https://imgur.com/GJK6o8x.png
L294[04:49:33] <Izaya> https://imgur.com/DqJEVgV.png
L295[04:49:34] <S3> I have like 30 of them running
L296[04:50:01] <S3> I highly recommend S conveyors
L297[04:50:26] <S3> https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=735053366
L298[04:50:32] <S3> they have small block too for small ships
L299[04:51:07] <Izaya> one supercapacitor could take the full input from 8 small reactors
L300[04:51:13] <Izaya> nice
L301[04:51:16] <Bri​anH> I also use this one https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1592304459&searchtext=internal+conveyors
L302[04:51:19] <Bri​anH> with it
L303[04:51:21] <Bri​anH> its very nice
L304[04:51:34] <Bri​anH> conveyors in armored blocks with see through glass
L305[04:52:15] <Izaya> oh neat, I can just rip the videos folder out
L306[04:52:23] <Ariri> Whats the formula for calculating time till discharge again?
L307[04:52:52] <Ariri> I wanna know how long the sucaps will last at full drain
L308[04:54:35] <Izaya> 7 seconds
L309[04:55:13] <Ariri> Not great, but all things considered, not bad
L310[04:55:14] <S3> v(t) = A-Be^(t/tau) wjere tau = R*C
L311[04:55:19] <S3> well
L312[04:55:23] <S3> that's the voltage of a capacitor
L313[04:55:29] <S3> dont ask how I remember that :P
L314[04:55:40] <Izaya> I'm thinking one or two of these should help with running phasers/disruptors or charging jump drives
L315[04:55:42] <Ariri> Heh
L316[04:56:08] <Ariri> Yeah, might be handy when I need to charge sets of 2-4 jump drives at once
L317[04:56:17] <Izaya> I wonder if I can disable the penalty for transferring between batteries
L318[04:56:30] <Ariri> Had a 4 drive per nacelle design for my ship
L319[04:57:19] <Izaya> Is there documentation for the XML properties the game has?
L320[04:57:24] <Ariri> Battery and reactor priorities would be a neat thing for the battery manager
L321[04:58:03] <Ariri> Izaya: Found some links here, maybe it can help? https://www.spaceengineersgame.com/modding.html
L322[04:59:18] <Izaya> Do you think I should do a RTG also?
L323[05:00:03] <Izaya> Low-output non-rechargeable batteries with heaps of power that take uranium to build
L324[05:00:57] <Ariri> Might be decent for your relay stations in the event more power is needed, or some sort of probe that needs to be light
L325[05:01:16] <Izaya> I'm thinking beacons on autopilot tbh
L326[05:01:28] <Izaya> Capacitor + RTG
L327[05:01:30] <S3> Example of 10 uF capacitor with a 470K Ohm resistor applied with 5 volts:
L328[05:01:36] <Ariri> Oh, thats a good idea too
L329[05:02:22] <Bri​anH> http://tinyurl.com/y2jyrywm
L330[05:03:12] <Bri​anH> 5-5e^(-t/(470000 * 0.000010)
L331[05:03:49] <Bri​anH> if only SE worked that way
L332[05:04:20] <Bri​anH> hm. It'd take about 20 seconds to charge that capacitor
L333[05:06:42] <Bri​anH> discharge too
L334[05:06:45] <Bri​anH> http://tinyurl.com/y2v64fpl
L335[05:10:44] <Amanda> %choose sleep or one more dose of radiation
L336[05:10:44] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Elementary dear Watson, "sleep" is the obvious choice!
L337[05:12:41] <Ariri> Is it bad that when I read the word Watson, I think of v-tuber Amelia before Sherlock's companion?
L338[05:13:18] <Izaya> https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2234892172
L339[05:16:43] <Izaya> Maybe I should just re-christen the normal batteries as lead-acid and skip adding a third actual battery type.
L340[05:17:14] <Ariri> Whats the modification
L341[05:18:16] <Izaya> none, but it's the balance between them
L342[05:18:37] <Izaya> lead-acid has not ideal power density but relatively high surge power
L343[05:19:05] <Izaya> but anything denser has worse surge power and anything with higher surge power output is a capacitor
L344[05:19:26] <Ariri> Hmm.. might affect a few vanilla blueprints though
L345[05:19:42] <Ariri> to replace it all together, that is
L346[05:19:45] <Izaya> You can change the name without changing the block ID
L347[05:20:03] <Ariri> I know, I mean in terms of design
L348[05:20:15] <Izaya> no no they'd be the same block
L349[05:20:21] <Izaya> I just want to rename batteries to lead-acid batteries
L350[05:20:34] <Izaya> Alright, let's find out whether deleting the videos solved the freezing on opening the menu thing
L351[05:20:45] <Ariri> Oh, I thought you meant you were going to tweak its numbers
L352[05:21:03] <Izaya> nah I balanced the mod around vanilla stats
L353[05:21:11] <Ariri> Neat
L354[05:21:45] <Bri​anH> I like this program
L355[05:21:49] <Bri​anH> http://tinyurl.com/y42f7n2j
L356[05:22:11] <Izaya> Neat
L357[05:24:00] <Izaya> S3: if you wanna join the server I'll throw the info at you if you join #SKSDev, it's the nominal home for the server
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L359[05:24:29] <S3> May be interested. what kinda mods you got?
L360[05:25:42] <Izaya> https://imgur.com/NnAqHzi.png
L361[05:26:35] <Ar​iri> Howd you get that
L362[05:26:48] <Izaya> it's from the torch admin panel
L363[05:27:13] <Ariri> ah
L364[05:33:43] <Amanda> Ariri: yes, that is bad. I'd have accepted the bbc sherlock watson's actor or something, but sadly you must be taken down for maintence and reprogramming now
L365[05:34:31] <Amanda> I'll leave you in the capable hands and professional cult de-programmdr, Elfi. -snugs up around to protecc and skeep-
L366[05:34:39] <Ariri> I used to think of him, to be fair. I quite liked the TV series
L367[05:34:56] <Amanda> Sleep even
L368[05:35:03] <Amanda> Night nerds
L369[05:35:14] <Ariri> Night night Amanda; and foolish of you to think Elfi doesnt promote qt vtuber yuri
L370[05:36:24] <Amanda> Oh no. Do I need to freeze the simulation and alter it from the outside again!?
L371[05:36:44] <Amanda> The fae were meant to be immune?
L372[05:36:51] <Amanda> ! Not ?
L373[05:38:51] <Ariri> Mwahaha, you cannot stop me from spreading the Korone-virus all over the planet, and eventually, the universe!
L374[05:41:09] <Amanda> Damn it ariri
L375[05:41:43] <Amanda> dequbed: make sure to hit ariri with a rolled up newspaper, she's altering the parameters from the inside again!
L376[05:42:07] <Ariri> https://lcars5201.ddns.net/index.php/s/wKRmregxAnwR7bg/preview
L377[05:43:01] <Amanda> Anyways, enough doom scrolling, time for sleep
L378[05:43:17] <Ocawesome101> night
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L380[06:11:35] <Ar​iri> wtf, my computer logged itself out
L381[06:11:55] <Ocawesome101> :o
L382[06:12:02] <Ocawesome101> just windows being windows
L383[06:12:14] <Ar​iri> I swear Chrome and Discord break Windows even more
L384[06:12:48] <Ar​iri> Just making my transition away from them all the more pressing
L385[06:13:05] <Ocawesome101> firefox + irc >>>>>> chrome + discord tbh
L386[06:13:39] <Ar​iri> I started using Chrome a long time ago, so I’ve yet to make the jump over since I use to many extension daily
L387[06:14:04] <Ar​iri> And I don’t have my Discord bridge yet, since Ripcord still need polish in
L388[06:14:08] <Ar​iri> polishing
L389[06:14:47] <Ar​iri> okay SE thinks I need a DX11 card now, but I updated my drivers yesterday
L390[06:14:55] <Ar​iri> I literally just launched the game ffs
L391[06:15:28] <Ar​iri> I guess it logged me out bc driver bad, my fault for trusting Windows updater once
L392[06:17:54] <Ariri> Windows Defender is also garbage in terms of usability, but most other AV is also terrible
L393[06:18:05] <Ariri> Literally quarantined what I told it to ignore multiple times
L394[06:18:49] <Izaya> hmm, this ship has two ion thrusters and an O2/H2 gen
L395[06:19:09] <Izaya> I'm thinking I can launch this into space with gas cells and control it with FlightAssist and vector operations
L396[06:19:38] <Ariri> What altitude to gas cells reach?
L397[06:19:40] <Ocawesome101> i hear malwarebytes is decent, never used it though
L398[06:19:48] <Bri​anH> Ariri I thought you'd be using mosaic
L399[06:19:52] <Ariri> Malwarebytes is meh
L400[06:20:06] <Ariri> BrianH: mosaic what now?
L401[06:20:26] <Bri​anH> the very first graphical web browser
L402[06:20:57] <Izaya> depends how light your thinger is
L403[06:21:01] <Izaya> it's to do with atmosphere density
L404[06:21:20] <Ariri> Might as well tbh, less apu stress
L405[06:21:50] <Ariri> Izaya, I figured that, but I suppose it cant go above stratosphere?
L406[06:22:16] <Izaya> if you did it right you could bob along at the upper atmosphere
L407[06:22:31] <Ariri> Hmm, okay
L408[06:22:50] <Ariri> Maybe Ill add atmo orbit capability to some craft
L409[06:24:52] <Ar​iri> Watson is live in 5 min is a positive side to my driver issues
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L411[06:43:42] <Ar​iri> Izaya: https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/iwtm61/i_am_god/
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L413[06:47:43] <Izaya> CompanionCube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CZkLG2nguM
L414[06:47:44] <MichiBot> Dumb Journalist calls me, instantly regrets it | length: 12m 28s | Likes: 13,969 Dislikes: 75 Views: 63,768 | by friendlyjordies | Published On 21/9/2020
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L416[07:48:39] <CompanionCube> Izaya: is this going to be like what happened when shapiro met andrew neil
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L419[08:35:28] <SnailDOS> Hello there.
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L426[09:07:01] <Forec​aster> what the...
L427[09:07:20] <Forec​aster> how did this happen... http://tinyurl.com/y6brfxev
L428[09:11:08] <ThePi​Guy24> self dissasembly
L429[09:16:10] <Forec​aster> and suddenly the framerate is <8
L430[09:16:12] <Forec​aster> :|
L431[09:16:29] <Snai​lDOS> How do I use kitten os.
L432[09:16:34] <ThePi​Guy24> you have experienced the wrath of clang
L433[09:17:01] <Forec​aster> no... there are no physics here
L434[09:17:14] <Forec​aster> I have a static station and a single ship attached to a connector
L435[09:18:07] <Snai​lDOS> I just get this blue screen
L436[09:18:16] <Snai​lDOS> Saying launch control to logout.
L437[09:18:19] <Snai​lDOS> Nothing else.
L438[09:18:37] <Snai​lDOS> No control not nothing except this little a to some symbol saying menu.
L439[09:18:39] <Forec​aster> reverse the polarity, hack the earth
L440[09:18:52] <Snai​lDOS> Nvm I see.
L441[09:20:34] <ThePi​Guy24> if clang decides that there are physics, then there are physics, no mercy
L442[09:30:13] <Forec​aster> gonna play a different space game instead and shoot some rocks
L443[09:32:55] <Michiyo> https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/313241-its-now-possible-to-play-doom-literally-inside-of-minecraft
L444[09:34:35] <Forec​aster> real gamers play doom on a pregnancy test
L445[09:36:22] <Forec​aster> I wonder if the station walking in Odyssey will include carriers
L446[09:37:02] <Forec​aster> I'd expect it will since they're sort of stations
L447[09:42:29] <Izaya> tfw Forecaster is playing SE but not on the same server
L448[09:43:03] <Forec​aster> I don't play on any server
L449[09:43:03] <Izaya> Oh, that's neat.
L450[09:43:09] <Izaya> If I paint the airlock doors they close.
L451[09:46:40] * dequbed hits Ariri with the rolled up 8th dimension. "Bad kitty!"
L452[09:46:48] <dequbed> Sorry Amanda didn't have a newspaper at hand
L453[09:47:27] <Forec​aster> %bap dequbed with the 9th and 10th dimensions
L454[09:47:27] <MichiBot> Forecaster baps dequbed with the 9th and 10th dimensions!
L455[09:50:33] <dequbed> Izaya: Friendly reminder that ogg is not an audio format and there are plenty more containers that are very valid ;)
L456[09:58:46] <Forec​aster> it can be an audio format if it wants to D:
L457[09:59:18] <dequbed> no, not really.
L458[10:00:43] <Kristo​pher38> What are your thoughts on CollapseOS https://collapseos.org/
L459[10:01:52] <Kristo​pher38> It piqued my interest a few months ago and since switched to using forth over z80 assembly as its primary language
L460[10:02:19] <Izaya> it did?
L461[10:02:24] <Izaya> shit, and I thought it was a neat idea before
L462[10:03:45] <ThePi​Guy24> no 6502, this dissapoints
L463[10:03:54] <Kristo​pher38> Even if I don't agree with the reason why it's being developed, I find the idea quite compelling
L464[10:04:12] <Kristo​pher38> Of course it did, I'm autistic, what did you expect
L465[10:04:33] <Izaya> ???
L466[10:04:44] <Saphire> Urgh
L467[10:04:48] <dequbed> @Kristopher38 Funny fantasy but if you take it serious to any level then I question your ability to correctly discern the accuracy of your mental model of the world.
L468[10:04:57] <Sap​hire> v: http://tinyurl.com/y2e4ahwp
L469[10:05:07] <Izaya> I didn't poke at it in a serious manner because I was iffy about getting into Z80 assembly at the time
L470[10:05:10] <Izaya> but I already know forth
L471[10:05:17] <Izaya> or at least, various dialects of forth
L472[10:05:18] <Saphire> CollapseOS is uhm
L473[10:05:29] <Saphire> "Neat, but holy fuck that guy is crazy"
L474[10:05:39] <Saphire> Microelectronics don't just suddenly.. die
L475[10:06:21] <Saphire> Like, there are so many different common chips that are available, that are fully features SoCs that could do more with less parts than a Z80 system
L476[10:06:28] <dequbed> And if you think you can scavenge together a computer in $today I have some very bad news for you. That's some hollywood-level bullshitery :D
L477[10:06:39] <Saphire> ^
L478[10:07:06] <Kristo​pher38> He acknowledges that this is tailored for a specific level of collapse, any other level and this will be useless
L479[10:07:07] <Izaya> what if I told you I know of a commonly available machine with a Z80, serial output, and an input device?
L480[10:07:11] <dequbed> Like I /made/ PCBs. I /made/ semiconductors. If society collapses you are *SOL* with any of that. It takes so much more infrastructure than you would think.
L481[10:07:18] <Saphire> Modern chips like STM32, hell, even atmega, can easily kick Z80 off the stage easily
L482[10:07:32] <Sk​ye> I made to want a 68k based computer
L483[10:07:51] <dequbed> An no, "cheap energy" was never and will never be the reason why any of the chip development happened as it did. That is some interesting self-illusion right there.
L484[10:07:54] <ThePi​Guy24> le z80/81 or le speccy
L485[10:08:09] <Izaya> nah man
L486[10:08:10] <Sk​ye> I want to make a 68k computer. Eek.
L487[10:08:20] <Izaya> there's a POS terminal with a Z80 and a thermal printer
L488[10:08:30] <Saphire> Modern semiconductors require enormous chain to be made
L489[10:08:32] <Kristo​pher38> The point of collapseos is to bootstrap programming microcontrollers since they're all programmed with more advanced machines than themselves
L490[10:08:42] <Saphire> ...not really
L491[10:08:55] <Saphire> You can do ISP programming on an atmega with a pair of wires v:
L492[10:08:56] <dequbed> Saphire: Not so much chains as so much infrastructure that just doesn't survive anything.
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L495[10:09:41] <dequbed> @Kristopher38 Yes. But you can't /make/ microcontrollers in post-apocalyptica and you can't /scavenge/ them because they won't survive or won't be able to be removed and reassembled.
L496[10:10:07] <dequbed> So you can calculate FORTH in sand but at that point just draw mandalas.
L497[10:10:18] <Saphire> Because to scavenge them, uh. You kinda need to be able to solder shit, and supply power and uhm
L498[10:11:21] <ThePi​Guy24> chances are that if you are in an environment where modern computers cease to work, then a computer will probably be pretty low on your priorities list
L499[10:11:29] <Saphire> ^
L500[10:11:31] <Saphire> That
L501[10:12:24] <Kristo​pher38> From an individual point of view yes, but from a communal one, where your basic needs are satisfied, a working computer would be a great asset
L502[10:12:47] <dequbed> It's a fun fantasy, again. But the reality is that this isn't a Hollywood movie, we can't hack into the CIA by plugging a keyboard into some mainframe and "surfing the datastream" and we can't just make microcontrollers at at technological level of pre-industralization.
L503[10:13:11] <Izaya> would you really want to inflict computers onto your community?
L504[10:13:46] <Kristo​pher38> Lmao
L505[10:13:50] <Saphire> TO make semiconductors at any level, you need at least a vacuum chamber and lots of specialized chemicals atvery least
L506[10:13:54] <dequbed> You can make a Zuse-style calculator, a ENIAC maybe. Tube computers as well. But that is several levels below "I program FORTH in Mad Max"
L507[10:14:52] <ThePi​Guy24> relay logic requires barely any weird stuff to make, just need some wire and some magnetic contacts
L508[10:14:55] <Kristo​pher38> Again, if none of the semiconductors survive then it's useless
L509[10:15:17] <dequbed> Saphire: Yes to large integrated Si-Semis, /NO/ to semis in general. Stuff like Shottky diodes can in theory be made badly in some rather shitty environment.
L510[10:15:39] <dequbed> @Kristopher38 You say that as if there is a chance they don't.
L511[10:18:22] <dequbed> Also Semis themself will survive. Not much can kill a Motorola IGBT. But integrated circuits realized on single-crystal substrate are impossible to manufacture in anything but modern technology level and do not survive radiation, neglect or simply /age/ at all. And old chips can not be safely scavenged.
L512[10:19:24] <Kristo​pher38> It's aimed at level of collapse "modern electronics stops working immediately or over time and we can't fix it because of its complexity, but simpler electronic devices can still be cobbled together and maintained because they're simpler and more hackable"
L513[10:20:02] <dequbed> "simpler electronic devices" such as ... pregnancy tests?
L514[10:20:20] <dequbed> Have you ever tried to scavence a working computer from old parts?
L515[10:20:33] <dequbed> If you have not I implore you to try.
L516[10:21:31] <dequbed> Hell, you even get to use the internet to look up chips you find because that's cheating but you only have one lifetime.
L517[10:23:47] <Forec​aster> just print out all the chip datasheets you find in preparation for the apocalypse
L518[10:24:52] <dequbed> It's possible. The machines in the Lab I used to work at have several computers worth of old THT-package chips because well they all contain computers. But if your society is dead you will want to be able to /use the machines the computers run/ because having a precision mill allows you to fix cars, having Excel does not. And I can tell you one thing about those computers: They are the *first* thing to die in those machines.
L519[10:26:11] <dequbed> I simply don't see "oh just scavenge your computers!" as anything barely realistic, especially compared to just "keep sensible old computers that can be fixed by hand around and well" and the entire underlying premise of system collapse is mistaken at best
L520[10:33:00] <Kristo​pher38> You've all got valid points
L521[10:33:48] <Forec​aster> I only have snarky points
L522[10:37:42] <dequbed> Izaya: Also I found out there's a FORTH for the GB and I'm debating writing stuff in that /just cause/.
L523[10:41:24] <Kristo​pher38> dequbed: what ICs is that single-crystal substrate used in?asking in general, is it a question of year of production, or higher transistor count or smaller footprint?
L524[10:41:58] <dequbed> @Kristopher38 my original point still stands. Enjoy the fantasy if you like it. I don't criticize People playing PARANOIA or investing significant time and efford into Cosplay and that is not much different than apocalypse-fantasy. Build yourself a post-apocalypse computer, write management tools, if you enjoy that cool! But be aware that it's /fantasy/. Keep your mental health in check at all points if you fantasy is close to reality.
L525[10:42:39] <dequbed> Kristopher38 every production IC every made since the invention of ICs.
L526[10:42:47] <Kristo​pher38> Jesus mate, I'm genuinely asking
L527[10:42:55] <Kristo​pher38> You don't have to personally attack me
L528[10:42:55] <dequbed> I'm genuinly answering.
L529[10:43:01] <dequbed> Nothing of that was an attack.
L530[10:43:31] <dequbed> Every non-discreet IC that was ever made in large-scale production was made on single-crystal semiconductor substrate, >99% of them on Si.
L531[10:43:49] <Kristo​pher38> That whole paragraph was unnecessary, a simple answer like your last sentence would suffice
L532[10:44:27] <dequbed> The "whole paragraph" was my final statement on the above discussion and not directed at your question.
L533[10:44:56] <dequbed> your question coming directly before that that is.
L534[10:45:13] <Kristo​pher38> I see
L535[10:46:53] <Kristo​pher38> So if what you say is true, almost all ICs won't survive
L536[10:47:44] <dequbed> And before anybody hitches on that part, non-discreete ICs are on the complexity level of /op-amps/ and not on the complexity level of Z80 cpus.
L537[10:48:17] <dequbed> @Kristopher38 No IC will survive the heat death of the universe, no. If you mean anything other by "survive", it depends.
L538[10:49:39] <Kristo​pher38> That is certain
L539[10:52:37] <Kristo​pher38> I'm asking about survival within an order of magnitude of human lifespan, i.e. how does ICs' age affects them?
L540[10:53:19] <dequbed> as in 30-300 years? All of the to none of them, depending on the surrouding conditions.
L541[10:54:50] <dequbed> Most chips designed for industrial, aerospace & nautical applications are rated for 60-80 years if kept within specificed conditions.
L542[10:56:02] <dequbed> Which usually means low moisture, no dirt, temperature -15-100°C, no excessive electromagnetic or nuclear radiation exposure
L543[10:56:45] <dequbed> Chips designed specifically for high-altitude or space applications are higher rated on the EM radiation scale but those are rare.
L544[10:58:28] <M​GR> ☝️
L545[10:58:36] <M​GR> A lot depends on the design
L546[10:59:38] <M​GR> It's relatively 'easy' to design and produce an integrated circuit capable of enduring moderately difficult circumstances for a couple hundred years, but it'll be significantly more expensive than standard circuits available today
L547[11:00:02] <M​GR> With proper substrate choice and inclusion of redundancy, you can do quite a bit
L548[11:00:12] <dequbed> @Kristopher38 In any fantasy, going for suspense of disbelief instead of realism is much more sensible. Less work and the more realistic the setting the less realistic the Fantasy. Don't fret it.
L549[11:00:21] <M​GR> Larger lithography processes also tend to be more durable against radiation
L550[11:00:30] <M​GR> If that's what you want to protect against
L551[11:04:36] <M​GR> Having read up a little, I also don't think you'll be running a semiconductor fab if society collapses
L552[11:04:45] <M​GR> At least partly because you'll have far more significant problems
L553[11:06:34] <Kristo​pher38> Message contained 4 or more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/lodorupucu
L554[11:06:54] <Kristo​pher38> And those are pretty much dealbreakers
L555[11:07:19] <M​GR> I also personally struggle to envision a scenario where civilization collapses "just a little bit"
L556[11:07:53] <M​GR> I feel like modern civilization is complex enough that if it really collapses, we're going to be riding the time machine back a lot further than 1970 or somesuch
L557[11:08:06] <dequbed> @Kristopher38 s/ICs/Microcontrollers/g in 1. and I'm fine with it.
L558[11:08:08] * Elfi looks back in chat
L559[11:08:13] <dequbed> Elfi: /don't/
L560[11:08:38] * Elfi sighs and pulls the slide on her gun
L561[11:08:49] <Elfi> Ariri's spreading misinformation, huh?
L562[11:09:01] <dequbed> @MGR /suspense of disbelief/. Again. We'll all be happy in Fallout 2020.
L563[11:09:18] <M​GR> Fair enough
L564[11:09:36] <M​GR> I hadn't realized this was for fiction, so I'm sorry about that
L565[11:09:57] * Elfi also shoots MGR
L566[11:10:06] * Elfi flutters off
L567[11:10:08] <M​GR> What did I do?
L568[11:10:09] <dequbed> Now *that* was uncalled for.
L569[11:10:17] <Elfi> Fae whimsy
L570[11:10:24] <dequbed> I mean at least he didn't do anything wrong /this/ time.
L571[11:10:29] <Forec​aster> what does a fairy need with a gun
L572[11:11:50] <Elfi> If it makes you feel any better, it's not like I could possibly carry anything hotter than a miniature rubber-band BB gun
L573[11:12:22] <Elfi> If I get out the knives, that is when you worry
L574[11:12:31] <Kristo​pher38> dequbed: why that correction though, microcontrollers are a subset of ICs, and I asked about degradation of ICs before to be more general
L575[11:13:02] <Kristo​pher38> And you answered: yes, ICs degrade in x years depending on their rating and conditions
L576[11:24:57] <dequbed> Because "ICs" is like saying "motorized transport". It's useless for your comparison because a train has little to do with a tank for any of them. You do not care about ICs, you care about microcontrollers.
L577[11:26:38] <dequbed> Most any IC will degrade over spans of time but - in general - the more complex an IC the more susceptible. Something like a multi-FET package or a dual-AND gate have longer shelf-lives than an Intel Xeon.
L578[11:27:23] <dequbed> Part of that is because of structure sizes but also because of doping strength, makeup, materials etc.
L579[11:28:24] <dequbed> And of course package materials and their degradations effects.
L580[11:28:36] <M​GR> And environment
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L584[13:53:28] <Forec​aster> haven't seen this before... http://tinyurl.com/y6peepd7
L585[13:54:11] <Snai​lDOS> thonk what
L586[13:57:59] <Snai​lDOS> Out of curiosity, why ya all don't think mineos is a good system..?
L587[13:58:06] <Snai​lDOS> I know it requires a super computer to run
L588[13:58:15] <Snai​lDOS> but like, its such good code base.
L589[13:58:22] <Snai​lDOS> and so much work in it
L590[13:58:55] <Kristo​pher38> just because someone put a lot of work into something doesn't mean it's good
L591[13:59:12] <Snai​lDOS> I KNOW but it IS good thats the point. Why do you not think its not good?
L592[13:59:33] <Snai​lDOS> It has apps, gui, AWSOME setup, If someone can show me a better os, I would be pleased.
L593[13:59:44] <Snai​lDOS> rn mineos is proberly the most advanced gui os.
L594[13:59:54] <Snai​lDOS> from my perspective, if I am missing something
L595[14:00:09] <Snai​lDOS> Kitten os... that thing is pretty fricken awsome doe.
L596[14:00:26] <Inari> it's slow, last I tried half the default apps didn't even work or were untranslated, and the licensing is stupid
L597[14:01:17] <M​GR> What's the license?
L598[14:01:30] <Snai​lDOS> It is slow, agreed, Some of the apps work good, some.. most... wdym licensing ?
L599[14:01:45] <Snai​lDOS> I hear this all the time, what in the world is wrong with the licensing?
L600[14:02:47] <Bri​anH> So TIS 3D is getting love
L601[14:02:56] <Bri​anH> waiting on OC for 1.15+ thoug
L602[14:03:51] <Kristo​pher38> the slowness is my main issue
L603[14:04:15] <Bri​anH> who wrote Mineos?
L604[14:04:18] <fingercomp> @SnailDOS they had a "license" with joke terms; unfortunately, many people were too serious to accept such a license
L605[14:04:20] <Kristo​pher38> honestly I'd rather work in the command line since it's faster
L606[14:04:30] <fingercomp> it's the MIT license now, though
L607[14:04:32] <Inari> fingercomp: stupid terms*
L608[14:04:44] <dequbed> So it turns out you can't search for MERCURY crystals because all you'll get is esoteric pages talking about how you can survive Mercury (the planet) going into retrograde by buying crystals (i.e. cheap stones) from them (with severe markup). Or pages talking about Sailor Moon.
L609[14:04:48] <Snai​lDOS> wait what
L610[14:04:54] <Snai​lDOS> lmao what joke terms
L611[14:05:00] <Snai​lDOS> It is slow. I agree.
L612[14:05:11] <Snai​lDOS> lmao what stupid terms [Edited]
L613[14:05:13] <Inari> Thats your main answer then really
L614[14:05:25] <Inari> It's slow, and the people who use it tend to know commandline
L615[14:05:26] <Snai​lDOS> oof
L616[14:05:28] <Snai​lDOS> well
L617[14:05:29] <Inari> So they don't care
L618[14:05:36] <Snai​lDOS> looks at my friends
L619[14:05:38] <Snai​lDOS> -=-
L620[14:05:45] <fingercomp> @SnailDOS something for a few years ago, I don't remember exactly
L621[14:05:49] <Snai​lDOS> You see why I am asking this xD
L622[14:05:53] <Snai​lDOS> I know CLI.
L623[14:05:58] <Snai​lDOS> Pretty good in my opinionl
L624[14:06:00] <Snai​lDOS> Pretty good in my opinion [Edited]
L625[14:06:09] <Bri​anH> then you know that CLI is better
L626[14:06:09] <Bri​anH> 😄
L627[14:06:11] <Inari> Sure, so why use a slow UI version when you can use a fast CLi version
L628[14:06:17] <Snai​lDOS> Exactly.
L629[14:06:24] <Snai​lDOS> But my f r i e n d s
L630[14:06:28] <Snai​lDOS> smh
L631[14:06:45] <Snai​lDOS> What's coming in the new OC version ?
L632[14:06:59] <Bri​anH> A joke license
L633[14:07:00] <fingercomp> @SnailDOS I personally admire the effort put into its making as well as the perseverance of the people who managed to create something beautiful for OC
L634[14:07:10] <Snai​lDOS> ^
L635[14:07:21] <Snai​lDOS> I admire everyone's effort put into oc.
L636[14:07:21] <fingercomp> but I don't think it's suited for regular use, especially for programming
L637[14:07:31] <Snai​lDOS> ~~ except the ones that say print("hi") ~~
L638[14:07:32] <Bri​anH> I'm actually working on my OS this morning again
L639[14:07:34] <Inari> I mean, I don't even find it beautiful given the limited resolution and stuff, but sure
L640[14:07:38] <Snai​lDOS> oh YES
L641[14:07:39] <Snai​lDOS> new os
L642[14:07:39] <Bri​anH> funny how it came up
L643[14:07:40] <Snai​lDOS> pog
L644[14:07:49] <Snai​lDOS> You going to release in the public later?
L645[14:07:55] <Bri​anH> duh
L646[14:07:58] <dequbed> @SnailDOS The question is, why do you think we /hate/ MineOS? Most of use just .. don't care one way or another.
L647[14:07:59] <Snai​lDOS> yay
L648[14:08:12] <Snai​lDOS> Well its obviously slow
L649[14:08:16] <Bri​anH> thats another thing too
L650[14:08:17] <Snai​lDOS> Isn't that OC's problem?
L651[14:08:27] <Bri​anH> like with my OS, I expect very few people to use it other than myself
L652[14:08:30] <Bri​anH> nobody will really care
L653[14:08:33] <Snai​lDOS> That the limitations of memory is so low.
L654[14:08:40] <Snai​lDOS> I would use it 👁️
L655[14:08:49] <Bri​anH> you don't even know what it's for
L656[14:08:51] <Snai​lDOS> No one really cares- but I just go around and download random stuff.
L657[14:08:52] <Forec​aster> If you try to run Crysis on a calculator, is it the calculators fault it runs slow?
L658[14:08:59] <Snai​lDOS> No, I don't again, I just run it for fun and experiment.
L659[14:09:04] <Snai​lDOS> I don't care what it is xD
L660[14:09:19] <Bri​anH> well for one it's not a general purpose operating system. It has use cases
L661[14:09:28] <Snai​lDOS> I assume no gui
L662[14:09:29] <Inari> I mean, OC is slow for a reason
L663[14:09:40] <Snai​lDOS> Wait, if these os dont have gui, why not use open os and just that
L664[14:09:41] <Snai​lDOS> :GWseremePeepoThink:
L665[14:09:47] <Izaya> slow computing is the new trend, don'tcha know
L666[14:09:50] <Snai​lDOS> Ye obviously.
L667[14:10:13] <Bri​anH> no stock GUI but there is a shell that helps you with just about everything you'd need to do
L668[14:10:21] <Bri​anH> like routing and networking components together
L669[14:10:49] <Bri​anH> like I said it's not meant to be a general purpose system.
L670[14:10:58] <Izaya> OpenOS has a CLI why would I use MineOS
L671[14:11:09] <Bri​anH> ^
L672[14:11:26] <Kristo​pher38> @BrianH why not just a collection of utilities, but a separate os?
L673[14:12:09] <Bri​anH> @Kristopher38 Actually, you can do that with some modifications, you can run DMS on OC. The problem is, I want full control over the signals
L674[14:12:12] <Kristo​pher38> by that logic I could take out some parts of openOS, take my robot libs, glue it together and rebrand it as a specialized os for a robot
L675[14:12:14] <Bri​anH> hence the need for an OS
L676[14:12:28] <Bri​anH> plus I want it in a standalone package
L677[14:13:01] <Bri​anH> I'm the kind of person who likes to reinvent the wheel for optimization
L678[14:13:13] <Kristo​pher38> welcome to the club
L679[14:13:59] <Bri​anH> additionally it can work with an ummanaged filesystem
L680[14:14:07] <Bri​anH> and files on Trotwood use namespaces
L681[14:14:07] <Forec​aster> oops... stranded myself in a system by running low on fuel again...
L682[14:14:38] <simon816> %tonk
L683[14:14:38] <MichiBot> Fopdoodle! simo​n816! You beat Ko​dos's previous record of 9 hours, 30 minutes and 47 seconds (By 1 hour, 32 minutes and 43 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L684[14:14:39] <MichiBot> simon816's new record is 11 hours, 3 minutes and 30 seconds! simon816 also gained 0.0155 (0.00155 x 10) tonk points for stealing the tonk. Position #7. Need 0.09767944 more points to pass Ocawes​ome101!
L685[14:14:58] <Kristo​pher38> @Forecaster want me to come get you?
L686[14:15:12] <Forec​aster> I have a carrier :P
L687[14:15:19] <Kristo​pher38> oh
L688[14:15:28] <Forec​aster> it will come get me in 7 minutes
L689[14:15:41] <Kristo​pher38> you can order your carrier to jump remotely?
L690[14:15:44] <Forec​aster> yes
L691[14:15:46] <dequbed> @SnailDOS I have been wondering. Are you willing to put in the efford to learn /all this/ (*makes gesture around the room*)? And I don't mean sitting here shitposting. Actual, structured concentrated learning. No running of to watch YT or TikTok or whatever you kids get your porn from nowadays or playing MC after 5 minutes because you're bored. Sitting down, learning shit till your head hurts, falling asleep dead tired and then waking up the next d
L692[14:15:46] <dequbed> ay to do it again?
L693[14:16:23] <Forec​aster> I'm not willing to do that
L694[14:16:35] <Inari> Whats "all this" even
L695[14:16:36] <Kristo​pher38> that's not an accurate description of what learning looks like
L696[14:16:54] <Kristo​pher38> or rather, feels like*
L697[14:17:03] <Izaya> I just kinda banged rocks together for 10 years or so
L698[14:17:05] <Izaya> seemed to work
L699[14:17:06] <Inari> And yeah, mind/body balance 'n all that :p
L700[14:17:17] <dequbed> @Kristopher38 that depends on what kind of personality you are.
L701[14:17:35] <Kristo​pher38> the stressed type
L702[14:17:40] <Forec​aster> I learned Lua/OC by having something I wanted to accomplish and then doing it
L703[14:17:47] <Forec​aster> I never "studied" it
L704[14:18:11] <dequbed> And that's completely valid as well. I did study this computer thingy.
L705[14:18:25] <Inari> I learned Lua/OC by just randomly toying with it while playing MC (well I knew Lua from CC already, but I learned it there that way)
L706[14:18:27] <Bri​anH> example @Kristopher38 , system://core.lua, lib://dms.lua, and local://config.lua, are all files. On the unmanaged trotwood filesystem, the part before the :// is the namespace and the part after is the "resource". Namespaces are basically like partitions, except they are software defined quotas instead of dedicated blocks assigned to the partition slice.
L707[14:18:43] <Inari> I study CS ,but I'm never "learning till my head hurts and falling asleep"
L708[14:19:05] <Bri​anH> the vfs is smart enough to have drivers for filesystems such as ftp:// and http:// as well
L709[14:19:16] <Bri​anH> so you can open http://google.com for example
L710[14:19:23] <dequbed> Inari: "All this" being the more gritty details of computering, the one where you'd want domain experts - of which this channel has a few.
L711[14:19:48] <Bri​anH> or perhaps even gopher
L712[14:19:51] <Bri​anH> I bet Izaya would like that
L713[14:19:51] <Izaya> don't learn computer stuff
L714[14:19:56] <Izaya> bury it in the desert
L715[14:20:03] <dequbed> Shoot it at the moon!
L716[14:20:03] <Forec​aster> you'll never be able to achieve the sum total of knowledge in this channel :P
L717[14:20:04] <Izaya> then nuke the desert
L718[14:20:06] <Inari> dequbed: But then you can't learn all of it, if it requires you to be an expert in a specific domain of it
L719[14:20:57] <dequbed> Inari: I think to be able to properly teach something even at an basic level you need to be enough of an expert to know what you can skip teaching.
L720[14:21:08] <dequbed> s/basic/more basic/g
L721[14:21:09] <MichiBot> <dequbed> Inari: I think to be able to properly teach something even at an more basic level you need to be enough of an expert to know what you can skip teaching.
L722[14:21:57] <Forec​aster> %sip
L723[14:21:57] <MichiBot> You drink a stirring platinum potion (New!). A trapdoor suddenly opens up under Forecaster! There are spikes at the bottom. They fail to evade it with a 9 vs DC 15 and takes 1d​6 => 5 damage.
L724[14:22:05] <Forec​aster> ow...
L725[14:22:26] <Inari> Oh
L726[14:22:39] <Vexatos> aren't most potion effects bad
L727[14:22:40] <Inari> I didn't read the trapdoor part and thought there were spikes at the bottom of the potion that fell into your mouht or something
L728[14:23:00] <Forec​aster> Vexatos: I don't know, are they?
L729[14:23:11] <dequbed> Izaya: Or you could get filthy rich by exploiting the ignorance of others towards computer for your own gain. And *then* nuke the desert with all the computers in there.
L730[14:23:39] <Inari> I liked the course we had on how CPUs work
L731[14:23:54] <Inari> Well, the basics of how they work anyway
L732[14:23:54] <Bri​anH> what was that like, Inari?
L733[14:24:05] <dequbed> "All you know is wrong and all I'm going to tell you is wrong as well" :p
L734[14:24:08] <Bri​anH> I'm curious, being somebody who has taken cpu design courses
L735[14:25:09] <Forec​aster> dequbed: but that statement is probably wrong as well
L736[14:25:13] <Inari> I mean, just basics stuff. Like how you have registers and buses that connect them and an instruction decoder that configures that from the opcodes (which register to set as read, whcih to write, what mode to set the ALU into and stuff) and how you connect them with the buses, stuff like that
L737[14:25:22] <Inari> Pipelining too
L738[14:25:44] <Bri​anH> dequbed: You will never need any more than 640K.
L739[14:25:52] <Bri​anH> Prove me wrong
L740[14:25:54] <Bri​anH> 🙂
L741[14:26:08] <dequbed> @Forecaster that was one of the first things my professor said to us in CPU design classes
L742[14:26:10] <Kristo​pher38> @BrianH have you got any resources left from those courses?
L743[14:26:19] <Inari> No VHDL or anything though
L744[14:26:42] <Bri​anH> I do @Kristopher38 I had a bunch that I had before I took the course that are better though
L745[14:26:44] <Inari> dequbed: Does it work? Then it's not wrong. Does it not work? Then it's just bad teaching
L746[14:27:06] <Bri​anH> My favorite book is very very old it is called Computer Architecture and I can get you the details on it.
L747[14:27:06] <dequbed> @BrianH All code is interpreted on the CPU anyway so there are no compilers, only different kinds of interpreters.
L748[14:27:46] <dequbed> Inari: He meant it as "you've been told a model which is completely removed from the reality at this point and the model I have time to teach you is better but not much better"
L749[14:27:59] <Inari> Sure
L750[14:28:21] <Inari> I mean, in the very basics thats still how CPUs work, you just also have lots of crazy stuff to make them faster :D
L751[14:28:39] <Kristo​pher38> I'm going through "digital computer electronics" by malvino but I'd like something more advanced
L752[14:28:58] <dequbed> Yes, but if you have to find bugs you sometimes have to go deeper. And /knowing/ that you only have a model and certain assumptions are plain wrong is useful for that.
L753[14:29:31] <Inari> Timing bugs seem like they'd be a pain to figure out
L754[14:29:57] <Forec​aster> %bugs
L755[14:29:57] <MichiBot> Forec​aster: 80 little bugs on the wall. Take one down, patch it around. 80 little bugs on the wall.
L756[14:30:11] <Bri​anH> http://tinyurl.com/yylul7ea
L757[14:30:21] <Forec​aster> huh
L758[14:30:24] <Forec​aster> %bugs
L759[14:30:24] <MichiBot> Forec​aster: 172 little bugs on the wall. Take one down, patch it around. 35 little bugs on the wall.
L760[14:30:39] <Forec​aster> yeah okay, that was an amazing coincidence
L761[14:30:41] <dequbed> Bugs rooted in Physics like tunneling, everything being an antenna if you just go fast enough and electromagnetic fields just messing up *everything* are a pain to figure out.
L762[14:30:55] <Kristo​pher38> who's the author of that Computer Architecture one, is it the one by Patterson and Hennessy?
L763[14:31:01] <Inari> Right
L764[14:31:11] <Inari> And it' snot like you can get a nice capture of the state of each component at any given moment :p
L765[14:32:39] <Inari> It's kinda amazing we can even manufacture such stuff. Seen a talk about it once I think
L766[14:32:47] <dequbed> I think somebody was doing what equated to fMRT for CPUs but I can't find that right now.
L767[14:33:31] <Vexatos> learning chemistry is like "here's a whole bunch of models and use whichever one is best for your current problem. Oh any here's also something that is guaranteed to be wrong but it's also not a model so it is true because we say it is except we know it is wrong but it produces the numbers we want so let's stick to it"
L768[14:34:08] <Inari> I still never found that video again where they talked about recording how chemical reactions actaully happen
L769[14:35:11] <Inari> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGFhc8R_uO4 that talk though @ manufacturing chips
L770[14:35:11] <MichiBot> Indistinguishable From Magic: Manufacturing Modern Computer Chips | length: 1h, 1m 20s | Likes: 2,627 Dislikes: 40 Views: 129,300 | by Andor Gafotas | Published On 2/8/2012
L771[14:35:38] <Vexatos> dequbed, except when stuff like tunneling is actually being used these days and you need to understand tunneling for the device to make any sense
L772[14:36:20] <Forec​aster> some potion effects could be either depending on the person...
L773[14:36:35] <Inari> like becoming less strong or agile being good!
L774[14:37:17] <Forec​aster> not the ones I was talking about but okay
L775[14:37:47] <Inari> How do you cal lit when something is painful to watch but not in that you don't want to watch it?
L776[14:38:29] <Inari> Isn't tunneling used in flash memory?
L777[14:38:39] <Vexatos> it is
L778[14:39:16] <Snai​lDOS> Ping time. No I don't watch shit tock nor YouTube. I do watch yoytube sometimes but that's oc related time. No I am never bored of mc and yes I'm willing to learn this all. I still.. Have school doe
L779[14:40:51] <dequbed> Vexatos: Physics like tunneling, not tunneling being the bug itself. It's sometimes an issue, sometimes good, sometimes irellevant.
L780[14:41:05] <Forec​aster> Inari: machoism?
L781[14:41:09] <Inari> :P
L782[14:41:13] <Inari> No like that
L783[14:41:46] <Snai​lDOS> and no I don't watch porn lmao
L784[14:42:06] <Inari> Like when you watch e.g. a love story, and it's sad, so you're sad. And being sad isn't exactly nice, but you still want to watch it
L785[14:42:32] <Forec​aster> I'm not aware of that being called anything specific
L786[14:42:54] <Inari> Feels like it should have a name
L787[14:43:23] <Forec​aster> I'd be surprised if it didn't, I'm just not aware of it
L788[14:45:09] <Inari> I see
L789[14:46:13] <Amanda> %choose local or remote
L790[14:46:13] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: I tried reading my tea leaves this morning. There was something about death and doom. Anyway, go with "local"
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L792[14:46:42] <dequbed> Everything is alwas Death and Doom when Amanda is involved. <.<
L793[14:46:46] * Inari localizes Amanda's subroutines
L794[14:47:12] * Amanda runs a diagnostic check to see how Inari got root again
L795[14:47:49] <Inari> It's a mystery to everyone *flicks her tail happily*
L796[14:48:36] <dequbed> That sounds like a particular physical access exploit .. *whistles innocently*
L797[14:48:59] <Forec​aster> this is an interesting looking system http://tinyurl.com/y5cn92e7
L798[14:49:09] <Snai​lDOS> This is?
L799[14:49:31] <Inari> dequbed: Oh?
L800[14:49:39] <Vexatos> same, those planets are really close together
L801[14:49:40] <Forec​aster> This is.
L802[14:49:56] <Snai​lDOS> bro
L803[14:49:58] <dequbed> Inari: I'm innocent, don't look at me like that!
L804[14:50:21] <Forec​aster> not really very close http://tinyurl.com/y2poj6k8
L805[14:50:54] <Snai​lDOS> I never saw this before. What is this game / similation
L806[14:51:01] <Forec​aster> http://tinyurl.com/yy7htngb
L807[14:51:07] <Forec​aster> it's the game I'm playing...
L808[14:51:10] <Snai​lDOS> ha ha.. Aurocorrevt correct wrong funni
L809[14:51:13] <Snai​lDOS> What game.
L810[14:51:28] <Inari> The game he's playing
L811[14:51:30] <Inari> Aren't you listening
L812[14:51:42] <Snai​lDOS> He's playing the game he played.
L813[14:51:47] <Snai​lDOS> Wait. He played the game?
L814[14:52:23] <dequbed> @SnailDOS That's obviously X5: Elite Conflict.
L815[14:53:38] <Snai​lDOS> Obviously.. :GWseremePeepoThink:
L816[14:54:12] <Forec​aster> maybe you can see what game I'm playing using some kind of software we're both using, or something
L817[14:54:49] <Snai​lDOS> Woah. Never seem it before. Seems interesting.
L818[14:54:56] <Snai​lDOS> Oh god.
L819[14:54:58] <Snai​lDOS> Lmao
L820[14:55:05] <Snai​lDOS> Elite dangerous.
L821[14:55:15] <Snai​lDOS> Interesting game.
L822[14:55:46] <Inari> Sadly FDev is committed to implement each feature in its minimum viable product state
L823[14:56:07] <dequbed> Inari: Banana software. Ripens at the customer's site.
L824[14:56:23] <Inari> I mean, it's not like you can really mod it or osmething
L825[14:56:24] <Inari> So nah
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L827[14:58:10] <Amanda> You know, I'm starting to suspect the biters are somehow flinging meteors at my critical infastructure. This is the second time this has happen https://nc.ddna.co/s/ikMWKbEpsg7SCAw
L828[14:59:07] <Forec​aster> Inari: I prefer this to a certain other game that adds kitchen sinks to each ship before it's done
L829[14:59:12] <Forec​aster> or even playable
L830[14:59:27] <Inari> I mean
L831[14:59:38] <Inari> The choice between a super shallow game and an undone deep one means I can just play niethr
L832[14:59:39] <Inari> :D
L833[14:59:49] <Snai​lDOS> Why is there so much hate to oc.
L834[14:59:59] <Inari> there is?
L835[15:00:00] <Snai​lDOS> Everyone I talk to. Oh yes computer craft is better.
L836[15:00:15] <Forec​aster> I've been fine playing E:D
L837[15:00:16] <Snai​lDOS> Oh yes. Computer craft you place and it works. Open computers you need to set it up
L838[15:00:22] <Snai​lDOS> Oh yes. I only use it for drones.
L839[15:00:27] <Forec​aster> I literally can't play SC because my computer can't run it
L840[15:00:30] <Snai​lDOS> oh Y E S
L841[15:00:48] <Forec​aster> what part of that is "hate"?
L842[15:00:53] <Inari> I mean, it can be an okay game. Just wish they'd put some actual effort into things and make them interesting. They seemed to do so at the start
L843[15:01:10] <Forec​aster> you make it sound like it's easy :P
L844[15:01:19] <Inari> I mean
L845[15:01:32] <Inari> They took ages for fleet carriers and they basically are a fancy menu, without all the interesting parts
L846[15:01:33] <dequbed> @SnailDOS accept that other people have other preferences and that that's okay. Priorities of people mean they make different choices and all of them are valid.
L847[15:01:34] <Inari> %actualshrug
L848[15:01:35] <MichiBot> In​ari: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L849[15:01:38] <Inari> @SnailDOS people like the path of least resistance
L850[15:01:41] <Snai​lDOS> "HOLY fuck the amount of lack of documentary."
L851[15:01:51] <Snai​lDOS> I can agree with that guy
L852[15:01:56] <M​GR> I don't think that's "hate"
L853[15:01:56] <Snai​lDOS> Idk if you guys agree..
L854[15:02:00] <M​GR> It's just dislike
L855[15:02:03] <Inari> Thats why every mod uses RF now
L856[15:02:10] <Snai​lDOS> Wait.
L857[15:02:15] <Snai​lDOS> Will oc ever use rf
L858[15:02:17] <Snai​lDOS> Totally
L859[15:02:25] <Snai​lDOS> Or just u use power converter.
L860[15:02:37] <Snai​lDOS> When was the last oc update..?
L861[15:03:10] <dequbed> look at github
L862[15:04:01] <dequbed> Amanda: That's what you get for not commiting ritual genocide often enough.
L863[15:04:23] <Snai​lDOS> Who is this payonel guy. He seems to be contributing alot.
L864[15:04:23] <MichiBot> ALOT: http://tinyurl.com/y42zurt
L865[15:04:28] <Inari> Just live with the biters, not against them
L866[15:04:28] <Snai​lDOS> I see the name everywhere.
L867[15:04:34] <dequbed> He's the maintainer
L868[15:04:40] <dequbed> Papayonel
L869[15:04:54] <Snai​lDOS> Oh.
L870[15:04:58] <Snai​lDOS> Then he is awsome.
L871[15:05:02] <Inari> also known by his full name
L872[15:05:05] <Inari> Papayonel Payo
L873[15:05:17] <Snai​lDOS> payonal our saviour of updates :)
L874[15:05:29] <Snai​lDOS> Well there ever be printers. Normal printer that print paper.?
L875[15:05:38] <dequbed> > OpenPrinters
L876[15:05:39] <M​GR> There's an add-on mod, I think
L877[15:06:19] <dequbed> @SnailDOS before you ask "will there ever be X" first check if there's already an addon mod doing that. If so, no there most likely won't
L878[15:06:37] <Snai​lDOS> I am clear there is a addon of that.
L879[15:06:45] <Snai​lDOS> But will it be forked into the main lart
L880[15:06:46] <Snai​lDOS> .?
L881[15:06:49] <Snai​lDOS> PART.
L882[15:06:54] <Snai​lDOS> Master.. Ig.
L883[15:06:55] <dequbed> No that would be completely sensible.
L884[15:07:01] <dequbed> ...
L885[15:07:09] <Inari> You don't use the master term an ymore
L886[15:07:11] <dequbed> s/sensible/stupid/g
L887[15:07:11] <MichiBot> <dequbed> No that would be completely stupid.
L888[15:07:16] <Snai​lDOS> LOL
L889[15:07:32] <dequbed> a'right, ima go grab food now, I'm overstretching and going stoopid.
L890[15:07:35] <Snai​lDOS> Is open security good. Anyone have experience.
L891[15:07:54] <dequbed> It does it's job shush now, mama has to go eat.
L892[15:08:05] <Forec​aster> nah, it's terrible, Michiyo will probably back me up on that
L893[15:08:08] <M​GR> OpenSecurity is a good mod
L894[15:08:11] <Snai​lDOS> OK :)
L895[15:08:33] <Snai​lDOS> ... So.. Soft... Softwa.... Software.. For.. It.. On open computers...?
L896[15:08:50] <M​GR> I have no idea what that means
L897[15:08:50] <Snai​lDOS> ... Is "THE GAURD" good. I saw it never got around to it.
L898[15:08:57] <Izaya> /bin/edit.lua is the only software you need
L899[15:09:03] <Snai​lDOS> Again I'm just asking because I don't have a computer in front of me.
L900[15:09:18] <dequbed> You should fix that.
L901[15:09:19] <Snai​lDOS> yes. You also need a brain. Which I'm clearly missing.
L902[15:09:33] <Snai​lDOS> i will. Towmorrow.
L903[15:09:38] <Izaya> There's some example code for the opensec turrets on GH
L904[15:09:50] <Snai​lDOS> Did you just say.. Turrets..
L905[15:09:59] <Snai​lDOS> alright I'm downloading this towmorrow then.
L906[15:09:59] <Izaya> yes
L907[15:10:02] <dequbed> Then go sleepsleep SnailDOS the world is still around tomorrow.
L908[15:10:17] <Izaya> The other stuff is pretty self-explanatory
L909[15:10:25] <Snai​lDOS> Ono essay towmorrow.
L910[15:10:32] <Snai​lDOS> Studied for too long.
L911[15:10:39] <dequbed> The more reason you should sleep now then
L912[15:10:49] <Snai​lDOS> Actually. I wouldn't call it a essay. It would be more of a essay.
L913[15:11:08] <Snai​lDOS> It's only 10:00...
L914[15:11:08] <Izaya> Just ignore school work and focus on your interests
L915[15:11:18] <Snai​lDOS> I used to do that.
L916[15:11:19] <dequbed> Just don't listen to Izaya.
L917[15:11:20] <Izaya> (Don't do that, trust me, it ends badly)
L918[15:11:30] <Snai​lDOS> well I used to do it.
L919[15:11:36] <Snai​lDOS> I actually got fairly good grades tbh.
L920[15:11:54] <Izaya> It doesn't last
L921[15:11:57] <Snai​lDOS> It's at the stage that I need to do good.
L922[15:12:03] <dequbed> @SnailDOS yes yes it's only 10 but a youngun like you needs good sleeps and also you are writing too much again which leads me to believe you are in fact tired.
L923[15:12:04] <Snai​lDOS> So no mucking around.
L924[15:12:18] <Izaya> You can coast without work until year 9 or 10 but then it all goes to shit
L925[15:12:31] <Snai​lDOS> that's the point I'm stating.
L926[15:12:38] <Snai​lDOS> it's getting shitty already.
L927[15:12:41] <Inari> Izaya: depends
L928[15:12:43] * Izaya nods
L929[15:12:51] <dequbed> Izaya: Shush. Don't you have an asteroid field to nuke or something?
L930[15:13:02] <Inari> just pay attention in class and study 2 days before exams
L931[15:13:04] <Inari> worked for me
L932[15:13:05] <Inari> \o/
L933[15:13:13] <Snai​lDOS> not 9, year 9 was fine for me. It's only this year that was bad.
L934[15:13:19] <Snai​lDOS> Ah yes. The late study.
L935[15:13:26] <Snai​lDOS> Defiantly something again I didn't used to do.
L936[15:13:27] <Izaya> I'm trying to decide what to watch to go to sleep
L937[15:13:29] <Snai​lDOS> Defiantly.....
L938[15:13:43] <Inari> (and in those 2 days I took breaks often becuase I didn't feel like learning more heh)
L939[15:13:46] <dequbed> Izaya: $GenericAnimeYouLikw
L940[15:13:48] <Inari> Izaya: ASMR
L941[15:14:02] <Snai​lDOS> yikes I was about to say anime xd
L942[15:14:14] <Inari> Sleeping with Hinako?
L943[15:14:20] <Izaya> dequbed: I finished everything non-heavy
L944[15:14:47] <Inari> rip
L945[15:15:06] <Inari> Izaya: Sugar Sugar Rune?
L946[15:15:17] <dequbed> Izaya: $NongenericAnimeYouLikw then
L947[15:15:35] <Izaya> What's that Inari?
L948[15:15:43] <Inari> A series I like
L949[15:15:51] <Snai​lDOS> Wait.
L950[15:15:52] <Inari> https://myanimelist.net/anime/1642/Sugar_Sugar_Rune
L951[15:15:55] <Snai​lDOS> Hol up-
L952[15:16:05] <Snai​lDOS> The developers of open security.
L953[15:16:13] <Snai​lDOS> I heated the names.
L954[15:16:18] <Inari> Don't heat name
L955[15:16:20] <Inari> It's bad for them
L956[15:16:21] <Snai​lDOS> No. I didn't heated them j heard them.
L957[15:16:34] <Snai​lDOS> looks at users online
L958[15:16:37] <Izaya> iview has fruits basket
L959[15:16:39] <Inari> You could slow down and read what you're writing you know
L960[15:16:45] <Izaya> The new one
L961[15:16:51] <Inari> Whats an iview
L962[15:17:18] <dequbed> @SnailDOS yes, just about every addon is developed by people in this chat. Big surprise =.='
L963[15:17:33] <Snai​lDOS> I don't understand.
L964[15:17:40] <Inari> I contributed a tiny feature to OC once
L965[15:17:41] <Inari> \o/
L966[15:17:43] <Snai​lDOS> I thought this want a addon.
L967[15:17:54] <Snai​lDOS> I thought open security was a new mod.
L968[15:18:16] <Snai​lDOS> Oh it actually is a addon.
L969[15:18:18] <Snai​lDOS> Oof nvm.
L970[15:18:31] <Izaya> iview is the australian broadcasting company's VOD/streaming thingo
L971[15:18:33] <Inari> Fun fact
L972[15:18:50] <dequbed> @SnailDOS think, then do a minute of research, *then* write. Not the other way around.
L973[15:18:53] <Inari> Roblox stole Ooph sounds from the game Messiah
L974[15:19:16] <Snai​lDOS> Again. Phone is horrendous. Especially laggy ones that freeze after searching something.
L975[15:19:24] <dequbed> Don't care.
L976[15:20:11] <Snai​lDOS> Didn't everyone know that?
L977[15:20:45] <dequbed> Know /what/. C'mon you are capable of communication don't make people play the pronoun game.
L978[15:20:58] <Inari> I mean, not till it was found out
L979[15:21:16] <Izaya> If you want to speed up your phone disable google play services
L980[15:21:30] <Izaya> Not like it'll break anything harder than it is now
L981[15:22:12] <Izaya> They have sailor moon crystal too lmao
L982[15:22:20] <Snai​lDOS> https://oc.cil.li/topic/1699-the-guard-security-system/#replyForm
L983[15:22:20] <Snai​lDOS> Very interesting.
L984[15:22:59] <Snai​lDOS> Regarding your answer, I meant it too the ooph sound stolen from messiah. Was it "stolen" though?
L985[15:23:02] <Izaya> these are cool but what I really want is mysterious cities of gold
L986[15:23:07] <Inari> Yes, it was
L987[15:23:29] <Inari> The artist who made it said he specifically created it for Messiah and Roblox never got the rights for it
L988[15:24:01] <Izaya> SBS wants me to log in for their VOD thingo though :<
L989[15:24:11] <Snai​lDOS> Disgusting.
L990[15:25:03] <Izaya> Also I'm iffy about starting a new series because after a long monday last week I started Kanata no Astra because it seemed comfy to put me to sleep for work the next day.
L991[15:25:23] <Izaya> I finished Kanata no Astra at 0630 then got ready for work.
L992[15:25:26] <dequbed> Then it was 6AM and you had sleept none?
L993[15:25:28] <dequbed> Yeah, figured.
L994[15:26:09] <dequbed> Izaya: Do you like scottish accents?
L995[15:26:30] <Izaya> Indifferent, my opinion depends on application.
L996[15:26:50] <Izaya> Also, SnailDOS: suck it up I'm phoneposting too, you can do better
L997[15:27:23] <Snai​lDOS> Irc on phone?
L998[15:27:26] <Snai​lDOS> HMMMMM
L999[15:27:38] <Teris> Yes.
L1000[15:27:42] <Snai​lDOS> I'll take that as a competition then.
L1001[15:27:50] <Izaya> Actually, I'm using an XMPP -> IRC bridge, but close enough.
L1002[15:28:02] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/xmpp/upload/NwrF-lpA0jPvMQMl/H5WKsDzlQR-ySkoPvrX2sA.jpg
L1003[15:28:05] <dequbed> Izaya: In that case, Gymnast86 and SalfordSal both have wonderful velvet voices to put you to sleep, and both are on YT :P
L1004[15:28:17] <Snai​lDOS> Termux.?
L1005[15:28:47] <Snai​lDOS> Your 2 hours ahead of me. Exactly.
L1006[15:29:19] <Snai​lDOS> I would use termux. That's just me. Cuz I like console irc.
L1007[15:30:30] <Izaya> Almost as if timezones are in hour steps usually
L1008[15:30:57] <Snai​lDOS> I know.... I'm stating the fact your two hours ahead of me. :)
L1009[15:31:24] <Snai​lDOS> That wasn't really important but... Whatever
L1010[15:31:51] <Izaya> I'm not big on CLI stuff without a keyboard
L1011[15:31:54] <dequbed> @SnailDOS I am wondering where you get the impression from that termux is an IRC client. Also /noise/.
L1012[15:32:39] <Izaya> Input devices on phones don't suit traditional software
L1013[15:32:57] <Snai​lDOS> I didn't say that.
L1014[15:33:10] <Snai​lDOS> I said as in. Using termux to run a IRC client.
L1015[15:33:37] <dequbed> Anyway food is ready @SnailDOS be good now I don't want to come back and half the channel is mad at you.
L1016[15:33:51] <Snai​lDOS> .. Ono
L1017[15:34:47] <Snai​lDOS> Anyone heard of the new nvidea 380 card?
L1018[15:35:03] <Snai​lDOS> Thinking of getting it... Maybe. Havnt researched it. Only heard it's good.
L1019[15:36:56] <M​GR> You should do research
L1020[15:37:11] <Snai​lDOS> Oh gosh. Here it is.
L1021[15:37:30] <Snai​lDOS> I'm stating the fact that maybe. Just maybe. I already have a good... Good enough.. I think... Card.
L1022[15:37:39] <Snai​lDOS> But I was thinking to upgrading to rtx.
L1023[15:38:08] <Snai​lDOS> From what I have heard it helps with things that require alot of cuda processing power.
L1024[15:38:08] <MichiBot> ALOT: http://tinyurl.com/y42zurt
L1025[15:39:10] <Snai​lDOS> Stop it >:(
L1026[15:39:36] <Forec​aster> you can tell MichiBot to stop all you want, she's not going to
L1027[15:39:59] <dequbed> Especially not when she's right.
L1028[15:40:39] <Snai​lDOS> Requires much usage of the cuda core processing power. There. Happy? Xd
L1029[15:41:08] <dequbed> Nothing you do makes use of CUDA anyway.
L1030[15:41:11] <M​GR> Replacing alot with a lot also works
L1031[15:41:11] <MichiBot> ALOT: http://tinyurl.com/y42zurt
L1032[15:41:25] <Forec​aster> I meant that it's a bot, it's not going to stop just because you tell it to
L1033[15:41:33] <dequbed> MichiBot: Bad bot
L1034[15:41:40] <dequbed> Hey, when was that removed?
L1035[15:41:48] * dequbed slaps MichiBot
L1036[15:41:49] <Forec​aster> I personally don't care if people use that word
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L1038[15:42:42] <Snai​lDOS> Well it is right. Use more words. But when I want to type fast.
L1039[15:44:03] <Forec​aster> it's only "right" if you want to be strict and gear grindy :P
L1040[15:44:24] <Forec​aster> there's no issue with contracting "a lot" except annoying certain people
L1041[15:44:51] <Vexatos> wellactuallytypingwithoutspacescanbeabitannoyingsometimes
L1042[15:44:51] <Snai​lDOS> Miles well not say the darn word at all.
L1043[15:45:16] <Snai​lDOS> ononalotohglshifyoucanreadthisiwillbrsurprised.
L1044[15:45:57] <Forec​aster> then there's people taking things to extremes for no reason
L1045[15:46:05] <Brisingr​Aerowing> ˙pɹᴉǝʍ ǝɹɐ sʎnƃ no⅄
L1046[15:46:27] <Snai​lDOS> It's time. For me to sleep. Essays towmorrow. (I bet when I leave everyone gangster.)
L1047[15:46:42] <Forec​aster> I have no idea what that means
L1048[15:46:43] <lizxeo> ....the russian server had more english lolololol
L1049[15:46:57] <Snai​lDOS> 🤦
L1050[15:47:15] <Snai​lDOS> Well then. Goodnight ya all.
L1051[15:47:28] <Te​ris> Goodnight
L1052[15:47:34] <Snai​lDOS> I'll see you towmorrow >:) if I didn't die from the amount of work. Smh.
L1053[15:48:00] <Snai​lDOS> I will learn lua... Eventually. I have been saying this for weeks now havnt I. Cya.
L1054[15:48:13] <lizxeo> uh whats with the tages in frount of your text?
L1055[15:48:27] <Forec​aster> %corded
L1056[15:48:27] <MichiBot> Forec​aster: Cor​ded is a relay between IRC and Discord. The user talking is between the <>
L1057[15:48:28] <M​GR> %corded
L1058[15:48:28] <MichiBot> M​GR: Cor​ded is a relay between IRC and Discord. The user talking is between the <>
L1059[15:48:49] <Forec​aster> hm, maybe I should add a default timeout to dyncommands
L1060[15:48:58] <lizxeo> oh wow!!!
L1061[15:49:17] <dequbed> @SnailDOS yes, do go to bed. Sleep well, dream sweet.
L1062[15:50:12] <lizxeo> im on a ice planet using the opencomputers mod and typing and your saying that im talking to people who are on discord? that is wicked!
L1063[15:50:45] <Forec​aster> you are
L1064[15:51:23] <lizxeo> that is really cool ^^
L1065[15:51:48] <dequbed> I mean you are actually playing a game on a rock we smashed up and made to think displaying tons of pixels at many many times a second but yes you're /also/ talking to IRC.
L1066[15:52:13] <ThePi​Guy24> use unicode and you can say аlot
L1067[15:52:16] <lizxeo> welp anyway i should get back to what i am doing in the world lol this is really dope tho lol
L1068[15:52:30] <Forec​aster> it's not thinking, it's computing, I'd argue those are quite different
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L1070[15:52:53] <Forec​aster> once computers can actually think for real that will be another revolution
L1071[15:53:02] <dequbed> Yes and it's also not a rock we smashed up but somehow you're not complaining about that part.
L1072[15:54:06] <Vexatos> technically it's sand
L1073[15:54:18] <Vexatos> and rocks
L1074[15:54:22] <Forec​aster> because I know the quote you're referring to and it doesn't say anything about smashing, but it does use the word "think" as well
L1075[15:59:19] <dequbed> Are you refering to: https://twitter.com/daisyowl/status/841802094361235456 "
L1076[15:59:20] <MichiBot> Wed Mar 15 00:03:53 UTC 2017 @daisyowl: if you ever code something that "feels like a hack but it works," just remember that a CPU is literally a rock that we tricked into thinking
L1077[16:15:53] <Izaya> Note that we stuck lightning into the rock
L1078[16:17:20] <dequbed> That followup is where I got the smashed from as well: https://twitter.com/daisyowl/status/841806379962646532
L1079[16:17:22] <MichiBot> Wed Mar 15 00:20:55 UTC 2017 @daisyowl: @daisyowl not to oversimplify: first you have to flatten the rock and put lightning inside it
L1080[16:25:28] <Ar​iri> haha rock go bzzzt
L1081[16:25:52] <Ar​iri> -beep boop
L1082[16:25:59] <Forec​aster> %zap Ariri with the rock
L1083[16:25:59] <MichiBot> Forecaster zaps Ariri using the rock as a conductor for 1d​6 => 4 damage!
L1084[16:26:32] <Forec​aster> wait, is that a different command from the attack command
L1085[16:26:42] <Forec​aster> I need to add dodge capability to that
L1086[16:26:53] <Ar​iri> %zap Forecaster with railgun slug
L1087[16:26:53] <MichiBot> Ariri zaps Forecaster using railgun slug as a conductor for 1d​6 => 2 damage!
L1088[16:27:25] <Forec​aster> would "conduit" be better than "conductor"?
L1089[16:27:38] <Ar​iri> Both work I suppose
L1090[16:27:51] <Forec​aster> I could make it choose one randomly
L1091[16:28:26] <Ar​iri> Re Elfi: Dont shoot! What if I told you the next generation may have a moth or fairy girl?~
L1092[16:32:30] <Ocawes​ome101> find the error here please :P http://tinyurl.com/y2t4jxsm
L1093[16:32:34] <Ocawes​ome101> it's supposed to be a shell
L1094[16:33:08] <Ocawes​ome101> however, as soon as i run any command from disk, it flips the frick out and something starts spewing signals left and right
L1095[16:40:46] <Ocawes​ome101> fwiw this isn't an OpenOS program
L1096[16:41:58] <Ocawes​ome101> when i run `ls`, it gets to the second `SHYIELD` and then nothing else happens, and if i have scheduler logs on something apparently spams signals
L1097[16:42:37] <Ariri> shyeet
L1098[16:42:50] <Ocawes​ome101> lol
L1099[16:43:35] <Ocawes​ome101> if i don't run anything it can find it works perfectly
L1100[16:43:40] <Ocawes​ome101> even tells me it can't be found
L1101[16:43:42] <ThePi​Guy24> ayy i managed to fix a floppy by just repeatedly writing to it until it does error
L1102[16:43:52] <ThePi​Guy24> it only took like 50 writes :p
L1103[16:43:59] <Ocawes​ome101> nice lol
L1104[16:45:08] <ThePi​Guy24> nope as soon as i try to put any proper data on it dies
L1105[16:45:26] <Ocawes​ome101> oof
L1106[16:46:28] <Michiyo> I fucking swear to gods...
L1107[16:46:33] <Michiyo> I work with fucking morons...
L1108[16:46:57] <Ocawes​ome101> i'm feeling like that currently over this shell thing, except i only work with myself
L1109[16:47:14] <Forec​aster> I'm sorry, how should I know the coffee grounds don't go in the printer?!
L1110[16:47:18] <Michiyo> We're having issues with our East coast data center, like everything is on fire and fucked level of issues.
L1111[16:47:25] <Forec​aster> the instructions don't explicitly say they don't!
L1112[16:47:33] <Ocawes​ome101> eesh
L1113[16:47:43] <Michiyo> and every 4 fucking minutes someone bitches at me that the Agency Tool isn't working for this East coast agency!
L1114[16:48:10] <Michiyo> and I'm like yeah... I know, east coast is down. To which they reply that they know.
L1115[16:48:16] <Elfi> Ariri: I tried to watch Yuni Luna. Stopped three days in
L1116[16:48:19] <Michiyo> WTF do they expect?!
L1117[16:48:33] <Forec​aster> Michiyo: miracles.
L1118[16:48:41] <Elfi> Her community prides itself on its toxicity so, uh
L1119[16:48:43] <Elfi> Hells no
L1120[16:49:26] <Michiyo> Seriously people, we're having a MAJOR outage, do you THIKNK they could be related??
L1121[16:49:38] <Ar​iri> Elfi: Is that the pink one?
L1122[16:49:39] <Michiyo> s/THIKNK/THINK/
L1123[16:49:39] <MichiBot> <Michiyo> Seriously people, we're having a MAJOR outage, do you THINK they could be related??
L1124[16:49:51] <Vexatos> I thought it was the west coast that was on fire
L1125[16:50:18] <Michiyo> It was, and still is. There are fires a few hundred miles from me ATM
L1126[16:50:31] <Vexatos> o right you live up there
L1127[16:50:40] <Michiyo> on a good note, YAY my RAID rebuild finished
L1128[16:50:59] <Michiyo> But yeah, atleast the smoke has mostly cleared out, I can see the sun again!
L1129[16:51:34] <Vexatos> no longer hazardous to go outside?
L1130[16:52:07] <Michiyo> Yeah, our air quality went from 3-600 down to ~20
L1131[16:52:30] <Michiyo> right now actually, it's exactly 20 per this map I'm looking at
L1132[16:52:45] <Michiyo> it's still high in some places though
L1133[16:52:59] <Vexatos> 20 is my favourite quality
L1134[16:53:01] <Vexatos> what scale is that
L1135[16:53:02] <Ariri> Elfi: Oh shes just a vtuber, yeah I dont care much for most other vtubers unless they do something else too, like Nyanners; I just like Hololive and I dont pay much attention to chat at all
L1136[16:53:34] <Michiyo> https://www.purpleair.com/map?opt=1/mAQI/a10/cC0#11.15/45.3318/-122.7136 Vexatos
L1137[16:53:53] <Michiyo> IDK man, whatever that site uses :p
L1138[16:55:58] <Vexatos> what is this
L1139[16:56:06] <Vexatos> metric system?
L1140[16:56:10] <Vexatos> on my MURICAN map????
L1141[16:56:20] <Vexatos> it seems to be particle density in µg/m³
L1142[16:56:39] <Ariri> Jeez, 444? Thats nuts
L1143[16:56:47] <Ariri> I thought breathing in 200+ was bad
L1144[16:58:18] <Michiyo> yeah.. it was in the high 300's minimum all last week
L1145[16:58:25] <Michiyo> we spiked into the 600's for a while
L1146[16:59:11] <ThePi​Guy24> 20 is better than my city, and there isnt even a fire here
L1147[16:59:24] <ThePi​Guy24> (45 for those wondering)
L1148[17:00:11] <Ariri> 20 is like Yellowstone level
L1149[17:03:23] <Michiyo> https://twitter.com/XboxWire/status/1308028820545396736
L1150[17:03:23] <MichiBot> Mon Sep 21 13:02:27 UTC 2020 @XboxWire: Microsoft and @Bethesda have entered into an agreement in which Microsoft will acquire Bethesda Softworks and its s… <https://t.co/lHGE1e4ZAW&gt;
L1151[17:03:24] <Michiyo> o_O
L1152[17:03:27] <Michiyo> O_o
L1153[17:03:38] <Elfi> Holy fuck what
L1154[17:03:48] <dequbed> NEAT. Bug-defined software to bug-defined software \o/
L1155[17:03:59] <Ariri> Uhhhh
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L1160[17:11:55] <Michiyo> 7.5B to buy Zenimax...
L1161[17:11:58] <Michiyo> fuuuuuck man
L1162[17:13:38] <Inari> Ariri: a
L1163[17:16:05] <Ar​iri> Inari: nyahallo http://tinyurl.com/yxtybosb
L1164[17:16:41] <Ariri> Oh wait theres no sound
L1165[17:17:00] <Ariri> https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/iwkqps/yagoo/
L1166[17:17:03] <Izaya> wait
L1167[17:17:05] <Izaya> So
L1168[17:17:10] <Izaya> Bethesda owns id?
L1169[17:17:29] <Izaya> And Microsoft will own Bethesda
L1170[17:18:15] <Ariri> Microsoft just had to buy something ig
L1171[17:18:30] <Izaya> Somehow I feel like Microsoft will object to id using vulkan rather than legacy graphics APIs
L1172[17:19:56] <dequbed> Well no, Bethesda doesn't own id, ZeniMax does. But Microsoft is buying ZeniMax.
L1173[17:20:58] <Izaya> So my point stands.
L1174[17:21:17] <Forec​aster> aw man...
L1175[17:21:21] <Izaya> I feel bad for id.
L1176[17:21:39] <dequbed> Yes just if somebody goes "Berthesda doesn't own iD so it's fine!" you know what to respond.
L1177[17:21:45] <Forec​aster> I just realized the system overview doesn't necessarily show all the planets in a system until you've scanned it...
L1178[17:21:49] <Izaya> Bethesda was kinda fucked anyway, but id was doing good stuff
L1179[17:23:38] <Ariri> Reminds me of Respawn and EA
L1180[17:27:44] * Michiyo screams
L1181[17:27:52] <Michiyo> Now our West coast DC has went down
L1182[17:28:07] <Michiyo> inb4 WHY DOESN'T THE AGENCY TOOL WORK ON WEST?!?!
L1183[17:28:48] * Ariri gives Michiyo a choccy bar for the neuropeptides
L1184[17:33:05] <dequbed> I think what Michiyo actually needs is a clue-by-four for her coworkers.
L1185[17:33:22] <Vexatos> Michiyo, why doesn't the agency tool work on west
L1186[17:33:46] <Michiyo> GOD DAMN IT VEXATOAST!
L1187[17:34:16] <Vexatos> <3
L1188[17:40:09] <Ariri> %choose tea or hot chocolate
L1189[17:40:10] <MichiBot> Ar​iri: You *could* do "tea", I guess.
L1190[17:40:49] <Sap​hire> Izaya: psss, do you use any "suckless" tools? o..o
L1191[17:41:01] <Ariri> %8ball but what if I add nutella to the cocoa for optimum sugar
L1192[17:41:01] <MichiBot> Ar​iri: I don't think that's a question...
L1193[17:41:07] <Ariri> %8ball but what if I add nutella to the cocoa for optimum sugar?
L1194[17:41:08] <MichiBot> Ar​iri: Without a doubt
L1195[17:41:23] <Ariri> Hot chocolate it is then
L1196[17:41:30] <Inari> use coconut milk for extra creamy
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L1199[17:41:48] <Inari> or pour cream into normal milk ot get like 8% fat milk
L1200[17:41:59] <Ariri> Inari, if I had, i might try that just for the heck of it
L1201[17:42:23] <Ariri> My brain is failing to comprehend that second part though
L1202[17:42:24] <Inari> and then put a bit of marshmallow into it
L1203[17:42:26] <Inari> Wiht extra cream
L1204[17:42:33] <Inari> How so?
L1205[17:42:54] <Ariri> A think a few gears are stuck
L1206[17:42:56] <Ariri> I*
L1207[17:43:09] <Saphire> But yeah uh, if anyone uses "suckless" tools uhm
L1208[17:43:12] <Inari> high fat content mixed with low fat content = medium fat content
L1209[17:43:19] <Ariri> oic
L1210[17:43:33] <Saphire> Authors are literal nazi v:
L1211[17:43:34] <Inari> so yu mix cream (30%) into milk (generally like up to 3.5%)
L1212[17:43:37] <Inari> to get like 8%
L1213[17:44:24] <Ariri> If I decide to overdose myself on chocolate, I put nutella, milk, and a 1/4 shot of vanilla creamer in a mug, microwave for 30-45 seconds, then add the swiss mountain instant pack or whatever and nuke it again
L1214[17:44:36] <Ariri> Its rather rich, and not too sweet despite how it sounds
L1215[17:44:36] <Inari> owo
L1216[17:44:48] <Inari> I need to try that dalgona coffee stuff
L1217[17:45:10] <Ariri> I heard its good, dunno myself
L1218[17:45:46] <dequbed> Ariri: How ... who can you *drink* that 0.0
L1219[17:46:14] <Inari> Ariri: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh-FQvz0EhQ&t=4m24s
L1220[17:46:15] <MichiBot> [おうちカフェ] I’m late to the trend but I’m fashionably late (日本語字幕) | length: 5m 18s | Likes: 5,534 Dislikes: 22 Views: 81,405 | by Sally Amaki[official] | Published On 21/5/2020
L1221[17:46:34] <Ar​iri> Inari: heres a badly taken picture of one from a few years ago, for reference on about how much sugar I can absorb http://tinyurl.com/y3tx8tdm
L1222[17:46:46] <Ariri> dequbed^
L1223[17:46:48] <Inari> noice
L1224[17:46:54] <Inari> just don't get sick from all the sugar :p
L1225[17:47:09] <Izaya> Saphire: suckless is wank
L1226[17:47:12] <Ariri> "Its like happiness" Lol
L1227[17:47:18] <Inari> Ariri: nono
L1228[17:47:22] <Izaya> Configuration files are good, actually
L1229[17:47:25] <Inari> Ariri: it's like happiness mixed with happiness
L1230[17:47:46] * Ariri nods in comprehension
L1231[17:47:52] <dequbed> Ariri: If I want to overdose on chocolate I just make hot cocoa. Like .. rasp some pure cocoa into milk, keep the sugar as far away as possible and drink that.
L1232[17:48:20] * dequbed throws Xmonad at Izaya
L1233[17:48:24] <Ariri> I dont add any sugar to anything I make unless I put it in a blender
L1234[17:48:28] <Ariri> Like iced mocha or something
L1235[17:48:37] * Izaya counters with awesomewm
L1236[17:48:40] <Ariri> I cant cook terribly well, but I make decent drinks
L1237[17:48:58] <dequbed> Ariri: We should join forces, all my friends love my cooking :P
L1238[17:49:08] <Ariri> Yosh
L1239[17:49:12] <Saphire> Izaya: I definitely agree
L1240[17:49:31] <Ariri> I have done a bit of freestyle baking though, was pretty decent
L1241[17:49:40] <Saphire> They purposefully nuke all and any UX forcing you to either maintain build system and files, or to use default config you can't change
L1242[17:49:59] * dequbed stabs Izaya with waymonad
L1243[17:50:03] <Saphire> Despite it being barely idk.. 50 lines of code to create a full basic configuration system?
L1244[17:50:08] <Saphire> Seriously
L1245[17:50:26] * Izaya laughs in xorg
L1246[17:50:56] * dequbed used waymonad. It doesn't affect Izaya...
L1247[17:51:27] <dequbed> Ariri: Well, I don't do baking much either. Unless it's like .. fish.
L1248[17:57:02] <Ar​iri> Cant say i’ve ever seen or had baked fish
L1249[18:01:20] <dequbed> Welp, should you ever visit Berlin swing over and I'll cook for you for like a week.
L1250[18:05:53] <Ar​iri> Sure, as long as I get to make beverages for you (i’ll hold on most of the sugar)
L1251[18:06:53] <dequbed> Sounds fine to me :P
L1252[18:32:27] <Forec​aster> oh wow http://tinyurl.com/yxa6om55
L1253[18:32:34] <Forec​aster> that's some overlapping hotspots
L1254[18:33:32] <Ariri> yummy
L1255[18:33:55] <dequbed> Do not eat the space rocks.
L1256[18:33:57] <Forec​aster> shame not all of them were LTDs though
L1257[18:34:07] <Forec​aster> only the bottom leftmost one
L1258[18:40:04] <Ariri> dequbed, you should try them, salty and chill from the ice and dust
L1259[18:46:36] <Forec​aster> dammit
L1260[18:46:41] <Forec​aster> I did it again...
L1261[18:47:00] <Forec​aster> it's easy to loose track of how much fuel you have when making a ton of tiny jumps
L1262[18:47:14] <Forec​aster> suddenly I don't have enough to get back to the carrier anymore
L1263[18:47:29] <Forec​aster> I need to do this in my exploration ship instead of my mining ship...
L1264[18:49:15] <CompanionCube> %tonkout
L1265[18:49:15] <MichiBot> I'm sorry Compan​ionCube, you were not able to beat simo​n816's record of 11 hours, 3 minutes and 30 seconds this time. 4 hours, 34 minutes and 37 seconds were wasted! Missed by 6 hours, 28 minutes and 53 seconds!
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L1269[20:18:25] <Ariri> Inari, https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/ix5fod/no_context_needed/
L1270[20:22:50] <Sap​hire> @Forecaster what game is that even?
L1271[20:26:58] <Forec​aster> Elite Dangerous
L1272[20:37:54] <Michiyo> the RTX 4090 cooler has leaked: https://i.redd.it/bnry1iictio51.jpg
L1273[20:38:03] <ThePi​Guy24> ok writing entire tracks at a time seems to be more reliable
L1274[20:40:28] <Ariri> Michiyo, might need to liquid cool it still, that doesn't seem like enough
L1275[20:40:38] <Michiyo> :P
L1276[20:48:46] <Amanda> %choose rockets or robots
L1277[20:48:46] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Some "rockets" sounds nice
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L1280[21:06:13] <ThePi​Guy24> ok yay its like 95% reliable now
L1281[21:06:49] <ThePi​Guy24> works 100% of the time, 80% of the time, 20% of the time!
L1282[21:13:53] <Forec​aster> these planets are very close friends it seems http://tinyurl.com/yxtpg2p7
L1283[21:14:23] <ThePi​Guy24> they must be orbiting each other pretty darn fast in order to not collide
L1284[21:15:31] <Forec​aster> http://tinyurl.com/y2k4cc7f
L1285[21:16:35] <ThePi​Guy24> 0.6 days is pretty fast but i dont think its fast enough
L1286[21:23:43] <dequbed> Sounds about right really. But at a distance that would create that orbital speed tidal forces would rip apart the moon most likely.
L1287[21:30:50] <Inari> Ariri: heh
L1288[21:30:58] <Inari> %sip
L1289[21:30:58] <MichiBot> You drink a molten violium potion (New!). Inari thinks the empty bottle is a snake until their next sip of water.
L1290[21:31:22] * Inari throws it at Amanda
L1291[21:31:31] <Amanda> D:
L1292[21:31:33] <Amanda> rude.
L1293[21:31:42] <Inari> Hey, snakes are scary
L1294[21:38:14] <Ar​iri> dequbed: You should see the World of Hell then
L1295[21:38:28] <dequbed> ?
L1296[21:38:42] <Ar​iri> https://youtu.be/URGANyOaigA
L1297[21:38:43] <MichiBot> Sagittarius Eye Travel Guide - World of Hell | length: 2m 8s | Likes: 104 Dislikes: 0 Views: 744 | by Sagittarius Eye | Published On 28/4/2020
L1298[21:38:59] <Ar​iri> It goes into da sun
L1299[21:39:06] <Ar​iri> star*
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L1301[21:44:59] <dequbed> Ariri: Eh. If you want something fun to do just cause get yourself a terawatt laser, find a few hot jupiters and ignite them into Brown dwarfs. Doubles as nice power plant for solar system movers.
L1302[21:46:39] <Ar​iri> Or I could edit the universe.cfg file and increase Coloumbs force so there are more dwarfs than gas giants :3 (I think that would happen anyways, untested)
L1303[21:46:55] <prisma> just `nano planetdefs.xml`
L1304[21:47:04] <dequbed> You just love playing with the Coloumbs force, don't you?
L1305[21:47:17] <CompanionCube> 'Fourth firm with links to Dominic Cummings handed £640,000 in government work without an open tender' must be nice to not even try to hide it anymore
L1306[21:49:36] <Forec​aster> this planet looks tasty somehow http://tinyurl.com/yxf3pqcn
L1307[21:50:47] <Amanda> hot chocolate?
L1308[21:51:07] <Forec​aster> yeah
L1309[21:51:41] <Amanda> %8ball does sulfuric acid go on the bus?
L1310[21:51:41] <MichiBot> Ama​nda: Outlook not so good
L1311[21:52:06] <dequbed> Amanda: Vanilla or modded?
L1312[21:52:25] <Amanda> dequbed: I dived into the Space Exploration pack, before was mostly vanilla
L1313[21:52:41] <Ar​iri> dequbed: It’s one of my favorite ones next to electron degeneracy pressure
L1314[21:52:47] <dequbed> Ah okay. Not sure what mods are on there but I put Sulfuric Acid on the bus in Vanilla
L1315[21:53:05] <Amanda> I just started adding stuff starting with LTN, then electric trains,then I kinda snow-balled down into the abyss
L1316[21:53:34] <Amanda> Space Exploration's bassed on AAI, if that helps
L1317[21:53:52] <dequbed> Ariri: I guess. If vacuum decay kills us all I blame you btw.
L1318[21:54:49] <Ar​iri> Fair ‘nuff, considering I was just thinking about how to cut up a neutron star and take a peek at the core, which may or may not leak strange matter and contaminate this universe
L1319[21:55:56] <Forec​aster> huh, there are five Artemis Fowl comic books...
L1320[21:57:07] <Forec​aster> ah, they're just adaptations of the books
L1321[21:58:37] <Forec​aster> with uh... a questionable art direction if you ask me
L1322[22:51:53] <Forec​aster> %sip
L1323[22:51:53] <MichiBot> You drink a basic red potion (New!). Once empty the potion bottle fills with a different potion.
L1324[22:52:09] <Forec​aster> %skull
L1325[22:52:09] <MichiBot> You drink a stirring tiberium potion (New!). The potion contained a computer virus! But Forecaster's anti-virus routines destroy it.
L1326[22:52:20] <Forec​aster> Phew
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