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L15[03:11:21] <Forecaster> https://imgur.com/gallery/EnKPk
L16[03:13:43] <Forecaster> Birb
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L20[04:15:39] <Izaya> TheFox: now you know how editing messages 800 times is :D
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L23[04:31:11] <Lizzian> this is a message [edited]
L24[04:31:24] <Lizzian> this is a message [edited 2: Electric Boogaloo] [Edited]
L25[04:35:44] <Lizzy> hmm, mimi hasn't been about recently... I wonder if she's doing okay
L26[04:36:08] <ben_mkiv> she was like 1.5 days ago
L27[04:36:33] <Lizzy> i know, but normally she's on at least once a night or so
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L35[05:22:15] <Wattana Gaming> This comment is legit sad http://tinyurl.com/y39x7z22
L36[05:25:43] <AmandaC> Wattana we were having a nice day. We were all having a nice day. Why?
L37[05:25:53] <Lizzy> ^
L38[05:26:17] * AmandaC curls up against Lizzy
L39[05:26:27] * Lizzy heatpats AmandaC softly
L40[05:31:05] * Lizzy hmms, just realised her new domain doesn't need a load of fancy stuff and she can add it all in to namecheap's stuff...
L41[05:33:50] <Lizzy> also means i can painlessly enable dnssec support
L42[05:38:57] <Lizzy> hmm, it can't do DMARC records though
L43[05:41:29] <Lizzy> hmm, maybe having a CNAME record on the main domain isn't he best idea
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L46[06:10:40] <AmandaC> Temia: https://i.imgur.com/QGvInn1.gifv
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L49[06:44:44] <Forecaster> %sip random
L50[06:44:48] <MichiBot> You drink a muddy bombastium potion (New!). Forecaster's skin turn the color of bombastium.
L51[06:45:00] <Forecaster> wow
L52[06:45:27] <Forecaster> that's a significant coincidence
L53[06:59:00] <Lizzy> forest why is your nginx instance giving back shit data?
L54[07:11:20] <Lizzy> nginx why are you not returning any fucking data?
L55[07:16:19] <Lizzy> oh for fucks sake
L56[07:16:23] <Lizzy> :@
L57[07:28:23] * Lizzy sighs, gives up
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L59[07:31:26] <Lizzy> %remindme 3h fix Forest's bootloader fuckup and also work out what the fuck nginx is doing
L60[07:31:29] <MichiBot> I'll remind you about "fix Forest's bootloader fuckup and also work out what the fuck nginx is doing" at 05/24/2019 10:31:28 AM
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L62[07:33:22] <Lizzy> %remindme 3h also look into serial consoles for vms
L63[07:33:22] <MichiBot> I'll remind you about "also look into serial consoles for vms" at 05/24/2019 10:33:22 AM
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L65[07:41:17] * AmandaC drags a mutable stainless steel potion over to Inari
L66[07:45:50] <stephan48> Lizzy: serial console to access a local termin in the vm? what is your issue atm with that?
L67[07:46:44] <stephan48> (i am using kvm/qemu with debian vms(grub as bootloader from a single disk and normal linux kernel) with serial consoles and can give you config examples)
L68[07:47:04] <stephan48> (also i am probably here all evening :D)
L69[07:49:38] <Izaya> what to do, what to do
L70[07:50:26] <Izaya> maybe I should rewrite vtunnel
L71[07:50:48] <Temia> %quaff mutable stainless steel potion
L72[07:50:49] <MichiBot> This doesn't seem to be a potion I recognize...
L73[07:50:52] <Izaya> make the client cleaner, allow ez configuration of multiple network bridges
L74[07:51:00] <Temia> Huh o:
L75[07:52:07] <Izaya> %8ball rewrite vtunnel
L76[07:52:08] <MichiBot> Izaya: I don't think that's a question...
L77[07:52:10] <Izaya> %8ball rewrite vtunnel?
L78[07:52:11] <MichiBot> Izaya: Ask again later
L79[07:52:17] <Izaya> %8ball rewrite vtunnel?
L80[07:52:18] <MichiBot> Izaya: [ The Bowling ball doesn't answer ]
L81[07:52:29] <Izaya> ...
L82[07:52:33] <stephan48> http://paste.stejau.de/35c16265a9e9
L83[07:53:03] <stephan48> %8ball will you ever answer Izaya?
L84[07:53:03] <MichiBot> stephan48: Outlook not so good
L85[07:53:08] <stephan48> haha
L86[07:53:12] <Izaya> oh well
L87[07:53:36] * Izaya would really like to make a specifically minitel-oriented vtunnel bridge that can do routing based on suffixes
L88[07:53:46] <stephan48> vtunnel?
L89[07:54:31] * AmandaC has been considering making a lilac variant that runs ontop of minitel
L90[07:54:54] <Izaya> stephan48: tunnel card emulator that talks to an out-of-game bridge
L91[07:55:06] <Izaya> via TCP
L92[07:55:52] <stephan48> huh. that sounds interesting
L93[07:55:55] <stephan48> point to point?
L94[07:56:04] <Izaya> not necessarily
L95[07:56:10] <Izaya> you can connect many clients to it if you so desire
L96[07:56:22] <Izaya> no provision for talking to a specific one at this point though
L97[07:56:42] <stephan48> i am still searching for something more decent than calling a http endpoint with a blob of json to transport game data from game to the outside
L98[07:57:09] <Izaya> I had vague plans at one point to write a lib so you could use luasocket to talk to such a bridge
L99[07:57:12] <stephan48> (lacking a bit in performance and the datatransport back from there)
L100[07:57:31] <Izaya> not very happy with the protocol though
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L102[08:05:26] <Izaya> stephan48: https://github.com/ShadowKatStudios/OC-Minitel/tree/master/vTunnel if you're interested
L103[08:08:04] <stephan48> thank yoU!
L104[08:08:06] <stephan48> you*
L105[08:08:14] <stephan48> will look at it later today when i am at home
L106[08:10:23] <Izaya> I'm thinking it might be worthwhile to write a new bridge
L107[08:10:42] <Izaya> one that doesn't support generic stuff but acts as a more intelligent Minitel router
L108[08:11:02] <Izaya> make it layer 3 rather than layer 2
L109[08:11:30] <FuryDev> so much irc XD
L110[08:11:40] <MGR> Heh
L111[08:12:34] <Lizzy> stephan48, currently my issue is that it's not set up lol. I need to actually make arch/ubuntu expose a login shell on their serial consoles but obviously can't do that when i can't easilly remote in
L112[08:12:35] <stephan48> yea irc for ever
L113[08:12:35] <Izaya> IRC stronk
L114[08:12:38] <stephan48> damn discorders
L115[08:12:52] <stephan48> Lizzy: ah :D
L116[08:13:05] <stephan48> yea feel free to blantantly steel the infos from my paste
L117[08:13:28] <stephan48> works like a breeze here - ubuntu infos should basically be the same - might need to look into how arch configured the bootloader/kernel
L118[08:14:43] <Lizzy> I've configured serial consoles on Arch before, my home server has one so i don't need to dig it out from under the stairs to do maintenance on it (except when said maintenance needs bios tweaks)
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L120[08:14:58] <stephan48> yea they are handy
L121[08:15:12] <Temia> IRC 4lyfe
L122[08:15:17] <stephan48> last year i dismantled the thin client providing a serial console for my home server
L123[08:15:45] <stephan48> recently we had many power outages - eh now it would have come in handy to unlock the LUKS volumes on it remotely :D
L124[08:15:57] <Z0idburg> luasocket is neat
L125[08:15:59] <stephan48> directing my dad to it was not so successfull
L126[08:16:16] <Z0idburg> izaya did you ever perfect the IRC gateway?
L127[08:16:18] <Z0idburg> ?
L128[08:16:22] <Temia> One bright point of me getting discouraged with FFXIV, I suppose--less need to use discord than ever
L129[08:16:32] <Izaya> S3: IRC messages are too short q_q
L130[08:16:32] <Inari> Anyone here good with Japanese?
L131[08:16:45] <Inari> Temia: Aw, why getting discouraged?
L132[08:16:51] <Izaya> I don't want to make the MTU sub-512B
L133[08:16:53] <Z0idburg> aren't they like 400 bytes or something?
L134[08:17:01] <Izaya> 512 chars for the whole line
L135[08:17:07] <Z0idburg> use fragmentation
L136[08:17:14] <Izaya> including PRIVMSG #CHANNEL :
L137[08:17:15] <Z0idburg> ATM networking irl is only 54
L138[08:17:30] <Izaya> Minitel supports fragmentation but are you saying abstract the fragmentation again
L139[08:17:34] <Inari> I don't understand why IRC has limits on message length
L140[08:17:38] <Izaya> that would be horrifying but functional
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L142[08:17:41] <Z0idburg> lol
L143[08:17:50] <Temia> The new information about Shadowbringers feels like the game is losing its personality, and any sort of capacity for personalization
L144[08:17:57] <Izaya> Inari: limited memory on the Sun-3 the first IRC server
L145[08:17:58] <Z0idburg> in ATM there's an entire layer that handles fragmentation
L146[08:17:59] <Z0idburg> such as AAL5
L147[08:18:14] <Inari> Temia: Hmm what specifically?
L148[08:18:49] <Izaya> could hash the message, then use the hash in front of the message, reassemble it on the other end
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L150[08:19:12] <Inari> Izaya: Just send hashes and figure out what the originla message was on theo ther end
L151[08:19:28] <Izaya> Inari: I'll send the message's position in pi
L152[08:19:40] <Inari> Makes sense
L153[08:20:42] <Izaya> Actually S3 do you have any networking projects cooking away, out of curiosity? Other than Trotwood, that is
L154[08:20:51] <Temia> There's a lot. Removing Protect instead of retooling it into something closer to the final fantasy mainstay it was based on. Dropping main stat materia when they still had their uses for shoring up NQ levelling gear. Removing the different abilities between fairies
L155[08:21:04] <Temia> Just to name a few
L156[08:21:19] <Inari> Hm, sounds like a shame. I was hoping to look into FF14 again in aw hile
L157[08:21:35] <Z0idburg> Not for OC. I mean there's the old ocranet protocol suite but that's a bit on the complex side
L158[08:21:42] <Z0idburg> and I haven't touched it for a while
L159[08:21:48] <Temia> I mean, you can check out the live letter yourself if you want
L160[08:22:14] <Temia> I am literally the only one I know who isn't hyped
L161[08:22:23] <Z0idburg> I think a great way to do networking in OC may be to go back to fundamentals and think about what makes a network in OC
L162[08:22:31] <Z0idburg> it may be as simple as connecting components not data
L163[08:22:38] <Temia> Which makes talking about my grievances... difficult
L164[08:22:48] <Inari> Temia: Well I don't know much, but I always dislike stuff like "Removing the different abilities between fairies"
L165[08:23:00] <Inari> Give things some nuances :p I don't want everythign to be super streamlined and bland
L166[08:23:05] <Z0idburg> since modems themselves are also components then exchanging data is no different than talking to a component
L167[08:23:06] <Temia> Yeah
L168[08:23:13] <Temia> Agreed wholeheartedly.
L169[08:24:27] <Inari> Huh
L170[08:24:31] <Inari> The MP/TP change sounds weird
L171[08:24:34] <Z0idburg> Izaya I think that's a great start maybe I should evolve trotwoods networking model around that, where its not about the data its about the components
L172[08:24:59] <Izaya> an interesting idea
L173[08:25:11] <Izaya> heard a fun OS idea on fedi where everything is a file handle
L174[08:25:15] <Izaya> as opposed to everything is a file
L175[08:25:17] <Z0idburg> I already planned to do remote components
L176[08:25:33] <Z0idburg> yeah I've thougt of that too
L177[08:25:36] <Z0idburg> with OOP roles
L178[08:25:50] <Z0idburg> uou just wrap a filehandle in a bunch of support apis
L179[08:26:03] <Temia> The MP/TP change isn't so weird to me, honestly
L180[08:26:06] <Z0idburg> But I don't really care for OOP anymore
L181[08:26:07] <Izaya> it's amazing how much "everything is a file(handle)" gives you for free tbh
L182[08:26:56] <Temia> It's been a long time coming ever since they removed cross-class actions (which I still don't fully agree with but c'est la vie)
L183[08:27:40] <Temia> And it's closer to classic FF anyhow
L184[08:27:55] <Temia> But capping MP just feels weird to me by comparison
L185[08:28:01] <Inari> I guess just stuff being percentage based sounds weird to me
L186[08:28:18] <Inari> Like, whats the point of having higher MPt hen
L187[08:28:36] <Temia> Yeah
L188[08:29:55] <Izaya> https://social.shadowkat.net/notice/9j5ypRF94SQ4rXP612
L189[08:31:05] <Temia> That was a longstanding issue I had with FFXIV's MP as well
L190[08:31:12] <Temia> But oh well .-.
L191[08:31:17] <Inari> Haha
L192[08:31:38] <Izaya> is it safe to copy the world from a running server?
L193[08:32:19] <Forecaster> sure
L194[08:32:45] <Forecaster> there's a small risk you may try to copy a chunk right as it is being saved in which case you'll have a corrupted chunk, but that's pretty unlikely
L195[08:33:07] <Izaya> I did save-all and nobody is on the server rn so \o/
L196[08:34:51] <Temia> If you save-off, you probably can
L197[08:35:11] <Lizzy> My work place: "We need to save momney!"
L198[08:35:12] <Lizzy> also my work place: *buys more uniform shortly after the yearly purchase because the logo changed slightly but then sends the same ones again*
L199[08:35:15] <Forecaster> yeah if you want to be super safe you should turn off savign
L200[08:36:38] <Z0idburg> I almost did the everything is a filehandle technique in Trotwood, Izaya
L201[08:36:53] <Z0idburg> but instead I am going for "everything is a process" instead
L202[08:37:00] <Z0idburg> and processes have mailboxes
L203[08:37:18] <Z0idburg> with that said filehandles are processes
L204[08:38:07] <Z0idburg> when you open a file you get a pid back
L205[08:40:09] <Z0idburg> Code Block pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/ijaxegupat
L206[08:40:34] <Z0idburg> local ok, pid = fs.open(path, ...) [Edited]
L207[08:41:18] <Z0idburg> local ok, data = fs.read(pid, 1024)
L208[08:42:00] <Izaya> anyone know a way to pre-generate a lot of chunks in 1.12?
L209[08:42:19] <Z0idburg> can you sue the worldedit wand?
L210[08:42:28] <Z0idburg> or does that not do the same thing
L211[08:42:32] <Z0idburg> oh pre generate not re
L212[08:43:28] <ben_mkiv> how about https://minecraft.curseforge.com/projects/chunkpregenerator ?!
L213[08:50:00] <Izaya> seems solid
L214[08:50:23] <ben_mkiv> just doesnt work well if you use openterraingenerator
L215[08:50:29] <ben_mkiv> then you should use the OTG internal pregenerator
L216[08:50:37] <Izaya> BOP for me
L217[08:50:47] <ben_mkiv> yea that should work fine
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L220[09:28:29] <Izaya> finally figured out an excuse fo all these basically useless outpost bases I make
L221[09:28:41] <Izaya> they're relay stations
L222[09:28:50] <Izaya> just need power and a little wireless router
L223[09:53:13] <stephan48> "wildlife monitoring stations"
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L226[10:08:45] <Izaya> :D
L227[10:09:36] <Skye> Izaya: Minecraft?
L228[10:09:50] <Izaya> no real life
L229[10:09:55] <Izaya> Yes minecraft :p
L230[10:22:18] <Z0idburg> tbh Izaya MC chunks are incredibly inefficient
L231[10:22:56] <Z0idburg> they would have benefitted far superior performance with two octrees, one on disk for block population and one in memory for lighting calculation
L232[10:23:58] <Z0idburg> NBT is also sort of useless
L233[10:25:34] <Lizzy> urghh, so that's why forest didn't boot back up
L234[10:26:40] <Z0idburg> what happened now
L235[10:26:55] <Z0idburg> I like your hostnames they're interesting
L236[10:27:40] <t20kdc> Z0idburg: you wouldn't be calling NBT useless if you knew the horrors that came before
L237[10:27:45] <Lizzy> first issue is that refind isn't set as the default boot option, so it goes to the efi shell. second issue is that it can't find the root drive when booting so drops into emergancy shell
L238[10:28:04] <Z0idburg> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Trek_Starfleet_starships
L239[10:28:14] <Z0idburg> which isn't extremely intuitive or anything
L240[10:28:55] <Z0idburg> ?
L241[10:29:21] <Z0idburg> oh wow I thought I was the only person who has ever used or heard of Refind
L242[10:29:33] <Lizzy> i use it wherever i can
L243[10:30:29] <Lizzy> .... linux the bloody drive is in the parameters...
L244[10:31:29] <MichiBot> Lizzy REMINDER: fix Forest's bootloader fuckup and also work out what the fuck nginx is doing
L245[10:31:37] <Lizzy> thanks MichiBot
L246[10:33:05] <Z0idburg> lol
L247[10:33:23] <MichiBot> Lizzy REMINDER: also look into serial consoles for vms
L248[10:33:27] <Z0idburg> I have been using elilo for my efi stuff
L249[10:33:32] <Z0idburg> I really wish there was a uboot efi though
L250[10:34:25] <Lizzy> well, first step is done, refind is now default in the entries
L251[10:34:42] <Lizzy> still and issue of me having to mount the root fs to /new_root and then get it to boot properly
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L253[10:45:08] <Lizzy> nginx still isn't working....
L254[10:46:40] <Forecaster> a very important service http://tinyurl.com/y2kkaxba
L255[10:48:04] <Lizzy> meh, will fix later, need to go shopping
L256[10:48:34] <TheRealBob> i want to contribute doing null
L257[10:56:39] <Lizzy> progress, i have a generic nginx page now
L258[10:57:32] <Lizzy> okay, putting my config back breaks it
L259[11:00:21] <Lizzy> meh, fixing latyer
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L261[12:24:15] <Z0idburg> You know they say null is one of the worst things we've ever adapted in computer science?
L262[12:37:04] <t20kdc> And yet LISP's typical list construction makes no sense without it.
L263[12:38:04] <t20kdc> People who argue about null being bad are pointing at the symptom. Not the problem.
L264[12:38:27] <t20kdc> The problem is a lack of effective, efficient type specification.
L265[12:39:42] <t20kdc> All null is, is the other value of an Optional.
L266[12:42:13] <t20kdc> You don't get null pointer exceptions if compile-time logic makes them impossible.
L267[12:42:41] <t20kdc> It's the same concept as null. But with added safety.
L268[12:48:22] <t20kdc> It's important to the way many basic patterns we use on a daily basis work, even if writing entirely new code, to have optionals. Again, see LISP's list construction. That's only elegant because nil exists to terminate it.
L269[12:48:48] <t20kdc> Otherwise there'd be no valid instance of the construction that wasn't infinite.
L270[12:49:13] <t20kdc> (Also, why do people pick on null? Do they pick on array bounds as much?)
L271[12:50:10] <t20kdc> (If they do pick on array bounds, what do they propose they be replaced with, and is that replacement something people will inevitably have to numerically index, only less efficiently?)
L272[12:52:57] <Z0idburg> yeah I know. Do you mind if I quote you on that for a friend of mine who has been interested in a lot of the hype surrounding null?
L273[12:53:59] <Z0idburg> heh
L274[12:54:34] <Z0idburg> I will say over the years I have started to favor magnitude specified strings rather than null terminated
L275[12:54:42] <Z0idburg> probably because it makes my life easier
L276[12:55:09] <Z0idburg> I didn't learn to hate strings in general until I started trying to pack it in constrained memory limits
L277[12:55:19] <Z0idburg> and making it mutable
L278[12:56:22] <Z0idburg> although it would have made the size of gamecube and wii DVDs shorter if they used null terminated
L279[12:58:38] <Z0idburg> My friend though dislikes Lisp because it has cons
L280[12:58:50] <Z0idburg> and he believes that cons are sort of destructive
L281[13:11:12] <Inari> cons?
L282[13:15:22] <Shinon> Well looks like there is a new convention
L283[13:15:24] <Shinon> https://www.reddit.com/r/feedthebeast/comments/bsizt7/announcing_the_block_a_modded_minecraft/
L284[13:16:35] <Inari> TheCoded, heh
L285[13:27:18] <Shinon> ye
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L288[13:37:05] <CompanionCube> %tonkout
L289[13:37:09] <MichiBot> Potzblitz! CompanionCube! You beat simon816's previous record of 19 hours, 13 minutes and 37 seconds (By 20 minutes and 25 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L290[13:37:10] <MichiBot> CompanionCube has stolen the tonkout! Tonk has been reset! They gained 0.019 tonk points! plus 0.018 bonus points for consecutive hours! (Reduced to 50% because stealing) Current score: 0.50965
L291[13:37:26] <CompanionCube> yesss finally!
L292[13:37:33] <simon816> gg
L293[13:37:34] <Lizzy> %tonk
L294[13:37:35] <MichiBot> Willikers! Lizzy! You beat CompanionCube's previous record of <0 (By 26 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L295[13:37:36] <MichiBot> Lizzy's new record is 26 seconds! Lizzy also gained 0.00001 tonk points for stealing the tonk.
L296[13:37:39] <Lizzy> %tonkleaders
L297[13:37:40] <MichiBot> Lizzy: https://michibot.pc-logix.com/tonk
L298[13:40:57] * CompanionCube is happy to reclaimed #1 from Forecaster
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L300[13:56:58] <Forecaster> :|
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L303[15:09:38] <Z0idburg> latyer
L304[15:10:12] <Z0idburg> inari: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cons
L305[15:11:30] <Z0idburg> It's a pretty fundamental building block of Lisp usually
L306[15:11:50] <Z0idburg> although as you can likely guess it's extremely inefficient when you have billions of list elements
L307[15:13:56] <VinnieSift> Hello
L308[15:14:14] <Skye> o/
L309[15:14:20] <Z0idburg> the size of a cons compound is basically 2c(w/8)n
L310[15:15:18] <Z0idburg> the size of a cons compound is basically 2n(w/8) [Edited]
L311[15:15:32] <Z0idburg> Hi Skye!
L312[15:15:39] <Z0idburg> What's new
L313[15:16:19] <Skye> I went on a shiny new train
L314[15:17:34] <Skye> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_710
L315[15:21:44] <Z0idburg> That's neat
L316[15:21:49] <Z0idburg> how well does it fare off road?
L317[15:23:24] <Skye> it doesn't at all
L318[15:23:26] <Skye> xD
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L321[15:28:58] <Z0idburg> lol
L322[15:29:05] <Z0idburg> well technically its always off road right?
L323[15:29:13] <Z0idburg> ?
L324[15:30:54] <Skye> sometimes the railway is called "road"
L325[15:30:55] <Skye> idk why
L326[15:31:06] <Skye> I've heard it used once or twice
L327[15:33:30] <Z0idburg> lol
L328[15:33:34] <Z0idburg> the rail road
L329[15:33:42] <Z0idburg> we call them railroads here
L330[15:34:15] <Kleadron> its a road made of rails thats why
L331[15:34:15] <Skye> but we call them rayways
L332[15:34:19] <Skye> railways
L333[15:34:56] <Z0idburg> wat?>
L334[15:34:58] <Skye> or sometimes due to odd reasons
L335[15:35:04] <Skye> "Permanent Way"
L336[15:35:12] <Z0idburg> skye you should become an engineer that designs rains
L337[15:35:15] <Z0idburg> trains*
L338[15:35:23] <Skye> I want to be a train driver
L339[15:35:31] <Z0idburg> really?!
L340[15:35:37] <Z0idburg> that sounds exciting
L341[15:35:37] <Z0idburg> long distance?
L342[15:36:05] <Z0idburg> I doubt there's much time left for train drivers tbh
L343[15:36:14] <Z0idburg> it won't be long until it's 100% monitoring
L344[15:36:23] * Skye laughs
L345[15:36:46] <Skye> did you know train drivers on the automatic lines in London are expected to take over every now and then to keep up to date in training
L346[15:36:52] <Skye> like
L347[15:37:00] <Z0idburg> thats cool
L348[15:37:07] <Skye> they have to drive within limits
L349[15:37:12] <Skye> and the system is very picky
L350[15:37:13] <Skye> but like
L351[15:37:24] <Skye> they are expected to be able to drive it manually
L352[15:38:05] <Skye> even if such a situation happening is rare
L353[15:38:15] <Skye> also at the rate of our railways
L354[15:38:23] <Skye> I'll expect automation to happen in 100 years
L355[15:38:37] <Skye> we've still got mechanical signals!
L356[15:39:03] <Skye> what might happen is automation in core sections
L357[15:39:11] <Skye> where lots of trains have to run very close together
L358[15:39:38] <Skye> essentially where mainline trains have to act like metros
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L363[17:04:50] <Z0idburg> huh
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L366[17:16:39] <aquilon> hi !
L367[17:16:50] <TheRealBob> Welcome
L368[17:16:56] <TheRealBob> %hello
L369[17:16:57] <MichiBot> TheRealBob: Hello! Welcome to #oc! The one and only opencomputers channel! Please ask your questions directly (dont ask to ask) and provide error/code examples! (Use pastebin.com if theyre more than one line!) Dont mind the random conversation you might have walked into.
L370[17:20:22] <aquilon> i try to print a white square on a screen, but when i use this code https://pastebin.com/hb7UsKJD, it print a black square instead of white. Could someone tell me what's wrong please ?
L371[17:23:31] <Inari> require colors?
L372[17:24:10] <AmandaC> gpu doesn't use the colours API
L373[17:24:16] <AmandaC> it uses 0xRRGGBB
L374[17:24:28] <Inari> Hm, I thought it did by default
L375[17:24:46] <AmandaC> It'll just be various shades of very dark blue if you just use the colours API
L376[17:24:55] <Inari> I see
L377[17:24:58] <AmandaC> ( indistinguishable shades )
L378[17:25:09] <Inari> Whats the default palette set to?
L379[17:25:30] <aquilon> is there somewhere i can get 0xRRGGBB codes
L380[17:25:46] <AmandaC> hrm, maybe that'd do it, but you need to pass `true` to set(Fore|Back)ground to use pallets
L381[17:25:59] <Inari> Yeah, try that
L382[17:26:07] <Inari> gpu.setBackground(colors.white, true) or so
L383[17:26:17] <Inari> Also maybe you have to put local colors = require("colors"), not sure
L384[17:28:06] <aquilon> thanks Inari and AmandaC, it's working but colors.white give grey
L385[17:28:20] <AmandaC> in that case you just use 0xFFFFFF
L386[17:28:20] <Inari> Heh
L387[17:28:27] <Inari> Yeah, easier that way
L388[17:28:30] <AmandaC> There's various RGB colour pickers
L389[17:28:53] <AmandaC> It's the same format as for web, but instead of a `#` prefix, you use `0x`
L390[17:29:04] <Inari> Just use https://www.rapidtables.com/web/color/RGB_Color.html or something
L391[17:29:10] <Inari> That gives you the 6 letters
L392[17:29:10] <Inari> :D
L393[17:29:37] <TheRealBob> Hexdecimal
L394[17:30:07] <aquilon> thanks , i found a color picker, it's working
L395[17:30:24] <aquilon> ho, didn't see you sent a link lol
L396[17:31:07] <Inari> https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/X6XRvCItuG_brktwP_XuQ8acq289Zv55K2R0OPhHDSg/https/cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/332198244346232832/581290473063186461/D7OPzWVUwAEGmiT.png
L397[17:39:01] <AmandaC> %roll 1d3 1d2
L398[17:39:03] <MichiBot> [2] + [2] = 4
L399[17:40:55] <aquilon> does someone know why x=0 and y=0 on screen place the cursor on the top left when i "open the screen" (click on it) but not when i look at it outside ?
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L402[17:45:06] <aquilon> hi back
L403[17:48:52] <aquilon> Can someone tell me why on the second screenshot, the bar is not printed at the top left of the screen ? https://imgur.com/a/HtZOMX8
L404[17:53:06] <AmandaC> aquilon: it is, but the aspect ratio you have the screen configured for dosn't match the aspect ratio of the monitor. OC won't stretch the image
L405[17:54:30] <Kodos> %tonk
L406[17:54:32] <MichiBot> Jeepers! Kodos! You beat Lizzy's previous record of 26 seconds (By 4 hours, 16 minutes and 29 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L407[17:54:32] <MichiBot> Kodos's new record is 4 hours, 16 minutes and 55 seconds! Kodos also gained 0.00427 tonk points for stealing the tonk.
L408[17:54:51] <Lizzy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qN72LEQnaU have a blast from the past
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L410[17:59:13] <aquilon> AmandaC, how to change aspect ratio ?
L411[18:09:33] <AmandaC> change the resolution
L412[18:09:49] <AmandaC> the aspect ratio is just the ratio of the screen's width and height
L413[18:10:16] <AmandaC> It's not exact, but I assume every character is about half as wide as it it tall, and it serves me well enough
L414[18:13:14] * Mimiru slaps MichiBot why no youtube info...
L415[18:13:19] <Mimiru> did that module break again
L416[18:13:22] <Forecaster> https://youtu.be/4foFCPjBQPU
L417[18:13:28] <Forecaster> neat
L418[18:13:32] <MichiBot> Kerbal Space Program: Breaking Ground Expansion - Official Gameplay Trailer | length: 1m 11s | Likes: 1,683 Dislikes: 19 Views: 15,310 | by Kerbal Space Program | Published On 24/5/2019
L419[18:13:43] <Mimiru> ...
L420[18:13:47] <Mimiru> delay much
L421[18:20:16] <AmandaC> Mimiru: does she read full yrls properly, or only the youtu.be short urls?
L422[18:20:44] <Forecaster> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYAjGorhNg0
L423[18:20:45] <MichiBot> Paleo Got It Wrong: We've Loved Carbs for Over 100,000 Years | SciShow News | length: 7m 45s | Likes: 2,261 Dislikes: 86 Views: 16,401 | by SciShow | Published On 24/5/2019
L424[18:20:49] <AmandaC> becasue that waas for the link Forecaster sent, not Lizzy's
L425[18:21:15] <AmandaC> oh, it did takeseveral seconds though, I see now
L426[18:21:36] <Mimiru> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qN72LEQnaU
L427[18:21:38] <MichiBot> The Hampsterdance Song | length: 2m 37s | Likes: 224,653 Dislikes: 11,383 Views: 25,318,212 | by Kamara666 | Published On 5/5/2007
L428[18:21:42] * Mimiru shrugs
L429[18:23:25] <AmandaC> %blame @Forecaster
L430[18:23:26] * MichiBot blames @Forecaster for slow internet speeds
L431[18:27:01] <Mimiru> it might have something to do with the crazy load on the dedi right now
L432[18:27:12] <Mimiru> also, that's a *perfect* blame for this
L433[18:27:13] <Mimiru> lol
L434[18:29:03] <Vexatos> oh man I finally have working internet I am so hyped
L435[18:29:29] <Forecaster> I'm not sure I believe that
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L438[18:32:00] <Vexatos> https://www.speedtest.net/result/8283774208.png
L439[18:32:09] <Vexatos> up from 12/1
L440[18:32:16] <Forecaster> that's probably photoshopped
L441[18:32:46] <Vexatos> because apparently living in the centre of Europe doens't mean you'll have an internet cable from this millenium in your road
L442[18:32:53] <AmandaC> Definately photoshopped, and hacked into the speedtest.net image database
L443[18:33:10] <Izaya> >12/1
L444[18:33:19] <Izaya> >not working
L445[18:33:21] <Izaya> ???
L446[18:33:52] <Vexatos> Izaya, in reality it was more like "oh boy I'd love to have 2 now" but yea
L447[18:33:53] <Izaya> that's average for australia
L448[18:33:56] <Vexatos> at least the ping was low
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L456[21:13:36] <Geminikid13> Just curious, does anyone know if there's any way I could use OpenComputers for finding other people's bases in multiplayer?
L457[21:29:36] <Temia> I mean, you could plausibly use the geolyzer to map out hollow caves or track wireless network broadcasts, but those are both pretty circumstantial.
L458[21:30:17] <Geminikid13> How might I track wireless network broadcasts?
L459[21:33:25] <Temia> By writing a program that captures modem_message signals, notes the remote address and distance for wireless messages, and possibly tracks it to local coordinates in order to triangulate.
L460[21:35:22] <Geminikid13> ? Idk anything about coding... I don't suppose this code already exists?
L461[21:35:31] * Temia shrugs x:
L462[21:35:50] <Temia> That said, that requires the base owner to have a wireless network that's sending broadcasts -- network cards can't pick up messages that are sent to specific addresses.
L463[21:36:36] <Temia> And even then it'll only pick up if the signal strength is high enough to pick the message up from a distance.
L464[21:40:08] <Geminikid13> *Shrug*
L465[22:17:20] <CompanionCube> %tonk
L466[22:17:24] <MichiBot> Aw jeez! CompanionCube! You beat Kodos's previous record of 4 hours, 16 minutes and 55 seconds (By 5 minutes and 56 seconds)! I hope you're happy!
L467[22:17:26] <MichiBot> CompanionCube's new record is 4 hours, 22 minutes and 52 seconds! CompanionCube also gained 0.0005 (0.0001 x 5) tonk points for stealing the tonk.
L468[22:17:40] <CompanionCube> yay for lucky timing
L469[22:17:52] <CompanionCube> anyway, this is lolworthy: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/23/opinion/privacy-tech-companies.html
L470[22:20:24] <The_Stargazer> I am going to attempt to build luasec for the nth time (I stopped counting)
L471[22:20:28] <The_Stargazer> maybe this time
L472[22:20:34] <The_Stargazer> it'll ACTUALLY WORK
L473[22:32:25] <The_Stargazer> VISUAL STUDIO I TOLD YOU TO INSTALL THE WINDOWS 10 SDK
L474[23:45:01] <The_Stargazer> okay it's looking for libeay32MDd.lib
L475[23:45:09] <The_Stargazer> which.. isn't included in the openssl lib dir
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