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L2[00:43:53] <payonel> what's a common bundled input people use for 1.7.10?
L3[00:44:28] <Izaya> bundled input?
L4[00:44:33] <Izaya> like, bundled redstone?
L5[00:45:07] <payonel> yeah
L6[00:45:26] <payonel> redpower?
L7[00:45:29] <payonel> is that typical?
L8[00:45:37] <payonel> does ender io do bundled?
L9[00:45:40] * Izaya is unsure
L10[00:45:50] <Izaya> Haven't used that stuff since 1.4.7
L11[00:45:54] <payonel> where is xarses? :(
L12[00:46:09] <Izaya> I think EnderIO implements something like that, there might be the immibis one, then the uh
L13[00:46:12] <Izaya> the other one
L14[00:46:20] <payonel> Izaya: i went through ALL the github issues like twice and picked the ones i have an interest in fixing for 1.7.3
L15[00:46:38] <payonel> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/milestone/45
L16[00:46:48] <payonel> i MIGHT have got a bit carried away
L17[00:46:51] <payonel> that's a big list :)
L18[00:47:12] <Izaya> can I request a simple feature, if it doesn't already exist?
L19[00:47:23] <payonel> yep
L20[00:47:29] <Izaya> something like syslog would be nice
L21[00:47:39] <payonel> oh that reminds me
L22[00:47:47] <payonel> i need a better thread crash handler
L23[00:47:54] <Izaya> I assume you're not actually meant to write to event.log
L24[00:48:06] <payonel> nah, it's a free for all
L25[00:48:20] <payonel> event.onError writes to it
L26[00:48:25] <payonel> it's not the design i would have used
L27[00:48:37] <payonel> but...it's been there for so long and i haven't had a big reason to change that
L28[00:48:45] * Izaya shrugs
L29[00:48:51] <Izaya> os.log or something would be nice is all
L30[00:49:15] <payonel> where would it write/
L31[00:49:17] <payonel> ?
L32[00:49:20] * Izaya shrugs
L33[00:49:25] <payonel> :)
L34[00:49:25] <Izaya> /var/log would make sense
L35[00:49:33] <payonel> as a file? or a dir?
L36[00:49:39] <Izaya> dir
L37[00:49:45] <Izaya> want me to have a go at implementing a logging API?
L38[00:49:47] <payonel> right, so, what file?
L39[00:50:01] <Izaya> depends on the program :^)
L40[00:50:22] <payonel> the thing about openos ... we try to keep it super simple
L41[00:50:33] <Izaya> aye
L42[00:50:40] <payonel> once it gets into configurable things, it's something historically we've left for oppm and the comunity
L43[00:50:43] <payonel> community*
L44[00:51:00] * Izaya hmms
L45[00:51:25] <Izaya> I could just write it and stick it in the Minitel repo
L46[00:51:52] <payonel> one thing openos does well is use the process lib to store process specific settings
L47[00:52:30] <payonel> so, you could have something like: process.info().data.log = "/tmp/my_proc.log"
L48[00:52:35] <payonel> and then os.log would write there
L49[00:52:38] <payonel> something like that
L50[00:52:49] <payonel> that's a sloppy suggestion
L51[00:52:58] <payonel> but my point is, the data on a process is per-process
L52[00:53:02] <payonel> and inherited
L53[00:53:21] <payonel> so you could have a default value, and a configurable value
L54[00:53:28] <Izaya> makes sense
L55[00:53:30] <payonel> if you're writing programs for openos, keep that in mind
L56[00:53:59] <payonel> that's not a documented feature, but coming from the openos dev here, definitely something i honor as a core feature of the os
L57[00:54:23] <payonel> what's nice about the process data too is that if you switch threads, you get the current process info automagically
L58[00:54:43] <payonel> process io is store there too, btw
L59[00:54:53] <payonel> and threads and file handles, etc
L60[00:55:04] * Izaya squints
L61[00:55:09] <Izaya> the process IO store
L62[00:55:12] <Izaya> so like
L63[00:55:17] <payonel> stored*
L64[00:55:34] <Izaya> I could io.open("file","wb") and redirect the output programmatically
L65[00:55:43] <payonel> yes
L66[00:55:50] <payonel> but you can also do that with io.output(fh)
L67[00:55:59] <Izaya> ah
L68[00:56:02] <payonel> and io.input(fh)
L69[00:56:37] <payonel> and io.stream(ID, FILE, MODE)
L70[00:56:46] <payonel> so, io.stream(0, input_path, "r")
L71[00:56:59] <payonel> same as io.input(input_path)
L72[00:58:50] <Izaya> interesting
L73[00:59:00] <payonel> when you use `proc > log`, the `>` does the same thing
L74[00:59:07] <Izaya> figured as much
L75[01:00:11] <payonel> btw, for 1.7.3 i just pushed an update -- processes will now close handles on exit
L76[01:00:25] <payonel> so if you have io.open(file) in your program, when your program exists, your file is closed
L77[01:01:09] <payonel> that same mechanism is shared for threads and io handles made in that process
L78[01:01:30] <Izaya> that seems useful
L79[01:01:37] <payonel> for 1.7.3.dev i suppose
L80[01:01:55] <payonel> or 1.7.3-alpha ... i dont know what to call it :)
L81[01:02:05] <payonel> technically, _VERSION is still 1.7.2
L82[01:02:16] <Izaya> 1.7.3-UNSTABLE
L83[01:02:19] <Izaya> :D
L84[01:02:20] <payonel> yep
L85[01:07:17] <Izaya> oh yeah
L86[01:07:27] <Izaya> I started working on minitel for embedded devices
L87[01:07:44] <Izaya> layers 3 and 4, after being minified? just under 2k
L88[01:09:09] <Izaya> gonna have to rewrite layer 5 to make it small though
L89[01:09:35] <payonel> would you be interested in an nfs and ramfs with a net boot under 4k? :)
L90[01:10:16] <Izaya> that sounds very interesting
L91[01:10:42] <payonel> it's something i've done in parts, but never as a "product"
L92[01:10:51] <Izaya> I assume ramfs so if you have enough memory you can run OpenOS from RAM?
L93[01:10:58] <payonel> correct
L94[01:11:19] <payonel> and have a filesystem
L95[01:11:21] <payonel> without a filesystem
L96[01:11:26] <Izaya> I mean
L97[01:11:30] <payonel> ala drone and uC
L98[01:11:32] <Izaya> you always have the tmpfs
L99[01:11:36] <Izaya> even on drones and uCs
L100[01:11:42] <payonel> true
L101[01:11:44] <Izaya> it's just you won't fit OpenOS in 64k
L102[01:12:09] <payonel> yeah and you can get a lot more ram than that
L103[01:12:18] <Izaya> aye
L104[01:16:06] <Izaya> I'd guess it runs p. fast from RAM too
L105[01:16:52] <payonel> yeah
L106[01:18:50] <payonel> i dont think ender does bundled(colored) redstone
L107[01:19:13] <payonel> ok redpower it is
L108[01:19:21] <payonel> project red i mead :)
L109[01:19:25] <payonel> mean*
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L112[01:47:13] <Ristelle> lol
L113[01:58:31] <Izaya> anyway, yeah, microtel, as Skye suggested, can just be cat'd with an actual program for an EEPROM and you get reliable and unreliable packets
L114[01:59:48] <Izaya> Unfortunately, the sockets stuff gets it up to 3.5k so that's not really usable
L115[02:04:57] <payonel> Izaya: since when are packets in oc unreliable?
L116[02:05:24] <Izaya> I didn't know they sent acks
L117[02:07:50] <Izaya> in all seriousness
L118[02:07:59] <Izaya> this allows arbitrary routing over a mesh
L119[02:08:02] <payonel> what's the value of an ack if you know it'll arrive
L120[02:08:40] <Izaya> you don't though
L121[02:08:55] <Izaya> one of the intermediate nodes may have gone offline
L122[02:09:21] <payonel> i understand that
L123[02:09:24] <payonel> and i know you do too
L124[02:09:50] <payonel> what i'm saying is that it's a lot of foundation where the reliability of the network is deterministic
L125[02:13:05] <Izaya> I do want to run it over other transports also
L126[02:13:15] <payonel> xarses: i summon thee
L127[02:13:22] <Izaya> for example, UDP
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L129[02:14:14] <xarses> try again in 8ish hours
L130[02:14:30] <xarses> was about to go to bed
L131[02:15:53] <payonel> ok ok
L132[02:15:55] <payonel> quick question
L133[02:16:15] <payonel> i'm fixing/adding support for bundled redstone signal changes
L134[02:16:33] <payonel> 1. do i spam more signals, adding a color value as a new (last) value
L135[02:16:33] <payonel> or
L136[02:16:51] <payonel> 2. pass a table of which colors changed values as a new last value
L137[02:16:55] <payonel> i think #2 is ugly
L138[02:17:02] <payonel> but 1 might be too many signals to handle?
L139[02:17:44] <payonel> :(
L140[02:17:47] <payonel> i think i missed him
L141[02:18:12] * payonel sends a comfy sleepy pillow to x.arses
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L145[03:11:36] <Kodos> 2 would be easier to use to store 'old' configurations
L146[03:40:32] <Kiritow> In component.debug.getWorld().getMetadata()
L147[03:40:44] <Kiritow> why this function return string?
L148[03:41:14] <Kiritow> And in component.debug.getWorld().setBlock(...), the argument #5(metadata) requires a number type
L149[03:43:13] <Kodos> World metadata and block metadata aren't the same thing
L150[03:43:26] <Kodos> ~oc debug
L151[03:43:26] <ocdoc> http://www.lua.org/manual/5.2/manual.html#pdf-debug
L152[03:43:31] <Kodos> ~oc debug card
L153[03:43:31] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/item:debug_card
L154[03:45:15] <Kiritow> so how can i get the blockmetadata...
L155[03:45:47] <Kiritow> not `getMetadata(x:number, y:number, z:number):number` ?
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L157[03:46:37] <Kiritow> and this function `setBlock(x:number, y:number, z:number, id:number or string, meta:number):number`
L158[03:46:48] <Kodos> Is there not a getBlock function
L159[03:46:50] <Kiritow> the meta param requires number type
L160[03:47:26] <Kiritow> This? `getBlockId(x:number, y:number, z:number):number`
L161[03:47:37] <Kodos> Let's try this
L162[03:47:41] <Kodos> What are you trying to do
L163[03:48:28] <Kiritow> implement something like worldedit
L164[03:48:40] <Kiritow> copy building across internet
L165[03:48:45] <Kiritow> and paste in another client
L166[03:50:35] <Kodos> Okay, so to get a block's metadata, you'd need to use getMetadata in the world object
L167[03:50:41] <Kodos> And feed it the 3 coordinates
L168[03:51:07] <Kodos> It should be returning a number
L169[03:52:05] <Kodos> What I would do, is write a function to take 3 coordinates, and have it return the block ID, some sort of local coordinates relative to the point of origin for saving a build, along with the block's metadata
L170[03:52:18] <Kiritow> My code is `t.meta=debugcard.getWorld().getMetadata(x,y,z)`
L171[03:52:36] <Kiritow> I have called it with parameters.
L172[03:52:45] <Kodos> Assuming it errored?
L173[03:53:58] <Kiritow> I have posted it here: https://github.com/Kiritow/OpenComputerScripts/blob/master/world.lua
L174[03:54:21] <Kiritow> I think it has no error... but the `PasteArea` does not work
L175[04:03:48] <fingercomp> I think this is fixed in OC 1.7.2
L176[04:03:53] <fingercomp> try updating the mod
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L178[04:06:49] <Kiritow> Thanks!
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L180[04:31:36] <Kiritow> everything works fine in 1.7.2
L181[04:31:52] <Kiritow> I will check updates next time QwQ
L182[04:34:59] <Kiritow> emm... a small question
L183[04:35:15] <Kiritow> why tire1 wireless card is upgrade but not card?
L184[04:35:47] <Kiritow> it's id is `opencomputers:upgrade`
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L186[05:33:01] <Inari> payonel: Haha. Yeah the only real way to implement the GUI thing is to probably make special code for each UI. And then you might as well just make code for it to be a OC component anyway
L187[05:33:22] <Inari> AmandaC: A 4?
L188[05:52:45] <Lizzian> Just a heads up: doing a quick up-grade of the forums because there's a security patch included
L189[05:56:06] <Lizzian> and done
L190[05:56:31] <Forecaster> what, no massive failures?! how anti-climactic D:
L191[05:56:34] <Forecaster> %shell
L192[05:56:34] * MichiBot loads a roper into a shell and fires it. It strikes Sangar. They take 8 damage. scj643 and LordFokas stood too close and take 1 and 5 splash damage respectively.
L193[05:58:06] <Lizzian> @Forecaster nope, my work stole them today
L194[05:58:24] <Lizzian> the UPS that powers our phone system got a phantom error today
L195[05:59:06] <Forecaster> ohmy
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L197[06:15:18] <Inari> https://twitter.com/Gizmodo/status/972262654113996800
L198[06:15:19] <MichiBot> Fri Mar 09 18:07:35 CST 2018 @Gizmodo: You can soon own a HAL 9000 replica that uses Amazon Alexa to control your home, Dave https://t.co/xxB0ePVYMK https://t.co/bJ6d7RzQPC
L199[06:15:30] <Inari> courtesy of Skye
L200[06:15:31] <Inari> :p
L201[06:15:41] <Skye> Eek
L202[06:15:58] <Forecaster> I'd love that, but I doubt it'd actually be very useful
L203[06:16:02] <Forecaster> also probably expensive
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L205[06:34:45] <Lizzian> Good news everyone! You can now sign up / sign in to the OC Forums with Twitter!
L206[06:34:45] <Lizzian> Existing users please connect your account in your Forum Account Settings (https://oc.cil.li/index.php?/settings/twitter/) before attempting to log in with Twitter
L207[06:37:24] <AmandaC> Inari: next to her head https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYClkkcXcAEFxGq.png:large
L208[06:40:34] <Inari> Oh I see
L209[06:40:35] <Inari> :p
L210[06:40:44] <Inari> I thougth it was somehow connected to the other tell xD
L211[06:40:49] <Inari> AmandaC: Which series?
L212[06:44:22] <AmandaC> Inari: kokkoku and the outsider s2
L213[06:50:57] <Inari> vifino: Ew, chopping wood
L214[06:55:10] <vifino> Inari: pls.
L215[06:55:15] <Inari> :p
L216[06:56:21] <vifino> i am fit, there is a nice axe and lots of wood, what else am I going to do? Up until yesterday I had no internet. Now I have 0.69 down/0.1 up.
L217[06:56:43] <Inari> How can you have no net though
L218[06:56:58] <vifino> i am in the middle of nowhere.
L219[06:57:03] <Skye> Whew
L220[06:57:11] <Skye> You're living Izaya's ideal
L221[06:57:16] <vifino> there is no cellular connectivity, either.
L222[06:57:20] <Skye> Living in the woods with no Internet
L223[06:57:58] <vifino> meh.
L224[06:58:04] <vifino> it's cold.
L225[06:58:10] <Inari> But why would you!
L226[06:58:32] <vifino> i am in my own huge home here, 8 rooms or so
L227[06:58:39] <vifino> but no heating.
L228[06:58:48] <Inari> Sounds like a bad home if it neither has heating nor internet xD
L229[06:59:20] <vifino> it's in renovations, which is part of why i am here
L230[06:59:33] <Inari> I see :p
L231[06:59:46] <vifino> the guy who lived here died.
L232[07:00:23] <Inari> :<
L233[07:00:33] <Inari> So you bought it?
L234[07:00:53] <vifino> just to give you a sense of remoteness: takes like an hour to get to the supermarket, or anywhere
L235[07:01:04] <vifino> not me, my mom and her boyfriend.
L236[07:01:07] <Inari> Thats kind of nice in a way, if it had good heating and such :D
L237[07:01:12] <vifino> i might move here though.
L238[07:01:13] <Inari> Though I wouldn't really want to live there
L239[07:01:24] <vifino> Inari: ftth soon
L240[07:01:25] <Inari> I like policea nd medical services getting to me a bit quicker than that
L241[07:01:34] <Inari> ftth?
L242[07:01:36] <vifino> 500 down/200 up
L243[07:01:41] <vifino> fiber to the home
L244[07:01:45] <Inari> I see
L245[07:02:05] <vifino> see, it's really remote, but there is fiber everywherw
L246[07:02:19] <Inari> Weird
L247[07:02:50] <vifino> there is also high power electricity here
L248[07:03:01] <vifino> so i could run a server farm as heating :3
L249[07:05:11] <Arcan> you would need to cool it during the summer?
L250[07:05:25] <vifino> i also got a small b&w crt and an ibm thinkpad t42p
L251[07:05:35] <vifino> not from the dead guy, he's dead.
L252[07:06:02] * Inari is bored
L253[07:06:20] <vifino> play something/with yourself
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L255[07:06:36] <Inari> LEwd
L256[07:06:45] <vifino> maybe.
L257[07:06:46] <Inari> Yeah, but I can't think of something to play that seems fun :P
L258[07:07:13] <vifino> playing games is a luxury i can't afford.
L259[07:08:50] <vifino> i guess i'll just write a bit more here before chopping more.
L260[07:09:00] <vifino> it's almost fun.
L261[07:09:50] <Inari> vifino learning hte Harvest Moon life
L262[07:10:21] <vifino> more like the "I need to think about things" life.
L263[07:12:11] <vifino> yay, feelings. yay, having to move somewhere and the only easy choice would be this place, but it's like 1:30h away from Frankfurt and I still wanna attend the local hackerspace. not like there is one here. ;/
L264[07:12:44] <vifino> yay, grandpa having had to go through emergency surgery.
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L266[07:14:33] <vifino> cancer's not fun.
L267[07:14:44] <vifino> Inari: entertain me ;v
L268[07:15:49] <Izaya> vifino: so no games I guess
L269[07:16:49] <Inari> vifino: Why "have to move"
L270[07:17:24] <Inari> I'd kind of like to move, but no money :<
L271[07:17:34] <vifino> Izaya: not really, i only have what i have downloaded: xonotic, factorio, oxygen not included
L272[07:18:03] <vifino> Inari: because i don't have enough money to stay in frankfurt, really.
L273[07:18:10] <Inari> :<
L274[07:18:28] <vifino> not in the flat i am in anyways.
L275[07:18:47] <vifino> since i have lots of things, i need lots of space too.
L276[07:19:01] <vifino> kinda limits me in my options.
L277[07:19:41] <vifino> but hey, if you wanna move to the Mosel, this house is big. xD
L278[07:20:25] <Inari> Haha, I've been there once. Can't say I recall it as nice :P But doesn't sound great for where I need to go and such anyway
L279[07:20:41] <Forecaster> https://notalwaysright.com/out-bat-ter-angels/75077/
L280[07:20:51] <vifino> i'm probably going to want someone living with me, sharing the bills n shit.
L281[07:20:58] <vifino> but blehhh.
L282[07:21:35] <Izaya> vifino: tempting, but cold
L283[07:21:35] <Inari> Yeah, that would be my only option with my current budget :P But I'm shy, and can't be bothered finding room mates that work well with me and such
L284[07:22:06] <vifino> my ex obviously isn't an option anymore and i hate people in general.
L285[07:22:09] <Arcan> but if they're nice you can hug them ^=^
L286[07:22:20] <vifino> so bleh.
L287[07:22:21] <Inari> Didn't even know you have an ex :p
L288[07:22:49] <vifino> i usually don't share such things.
L289[07:23:04] <vifino> Izaya: not with my servers
L290[07:23:12] <Izaya> but like
L291[07:23:12] <vifino> it'll be 30 degrees inside
L292[07:23:13] <Izaya> outside
L293[07:23:23] <Izaya> 30c is much nicer than like
L294[07:23:25] <Izaya> -30
L295[07:23:29] <vifino> who needs the outside when you have fiber?
L296[07:23:30] <Inari> Just carry the servers around with you
L297[07:24:05] <vifino> Izaya: it's not -30 here, ever...
L298[07:24:13] <Izaya> -3 then
L299[07:24:23] <Izaya> anything below 20 is too cold
L300[07:24:31] <vifino> weakling.
L301[07:24:37] <Arcan> Izaya: move to florida with me then
L302[07:24:49] <Izaya> Arcan: but the US is too hostile
L303[07:24:55] <vifino> ever showered in icewater, Izaya?
L304[07:25:03] <vifino> that's cold.
L305[07:25:09] <vifino> especially with salt.
L306[07:25:10] <Izaya> really?
L307[07:25:15] <vifino> yeah.
L308[07:26:20] <vifino> Inari: but hey, you're not sharing much either, don't complain xD
L309[07:26:51] <Inari> :p
L310[07:26:54] <vifino> Izaya: actually, do you have telegram?
L311[07:27:01] <vifino> @vifino iz I
L312[07:27:05] <Izaya> I do not
L313[07:27:13] <Izaya> I have SMS, IRC, XMPP and email
L314[07:27:20] <vifino> l
L315[07:27:32] <vifino> lame, yay, eh and laaaaame
L316[07:27:48] <Izaya> after careful consideration, I still don't want to bother setting up GNU Social or Mastodon here so
L317[07:27:51] <Izaya> maybe next year
L318[07:28:03] <vifino> telegram is so handy. stickers are great.
L319[07:28:21] <Izaya> is it free as in freedum
L320[07:28:44] <Izaya> including server
L321[07:28:54] <vifino> if you don't look too closely, sure
L322[07:29:17] * Izaya squints and leans in
L323[07:29:19] <Izaya> ...
L324[07:29:24] <Izaya> ABSOLUTELY PROPRIETARY
L325[07:30:08] <vifino> come on Inari, give it a try.
L326[07:30:17] <vifino> Izaya* same thimg
L327[07:30:33] <vifino> don't judge, i'm on my phone.
L328[07:30:39] <Inari> Give what a try
L329[07:30:40] <Izaya> so am I
L330[07:30:53] <vifino> Inari: telegram.
L331[07:31:08] <Izaya> that reminds me I need to go check up on dino and coy.im
L332[07:31:13] <Inari> I'll guess you mistabbed
L333[07:31:13] <Inari> :D
L334[07:31:22] <vifino> correct.
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L336[07:31:44] <vifino> check out telegram anyhow. @vifino, message me~
L337[07:31:51] <vifino> kek
L338[07:32:09] <Inari> CAn I sign up for Telegram without a phone number yet?
L339[07:32:16] <vifino> yup
L340[07:32:51] <Inari> Neat. But I'd need more of a usecase for it xD
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L342[07:32:58] <Izaya> ^
L343[07:33:00] <Izaya> I have XMPP already
L344[07:33:04] <Izaya> I don't need XMPP with stickers
L345[07:33:04] <vifino> well no, you need one, but you only need it once
L346[07:33:13] <Inari> Then "nah"
L347[07:33:13] <vifino> Izaya: you are wrong.
L348[07:33:21] <AmandaC> Inari: Unlimited* kitty pictures with my bot @KittiesBot
L349[07:33:39] <vifino> oh shit does that actually exist?!
L350[07:33:45] <vifino> OMG
L351[07:33:55] <Inari> Too bad vif's DL speed is bust
L352[07:34:10] <Izaya> vifino: how so?
L353[07:34:15] <Izaya> Are you saying I do need stickers?
L354[07:34:20] <vifino> yes.
L355[07:34:26] <Izaya> What if I told you
L356[07:34:28] <Izaya> I do have stickers
L357[07:34:34] <Izaya> it's just that they're for floppy disks
L358[07:34:51] <asie> why would the server b eing open or closed source matter, if it's still centralized?
L359[07:34:55] <asie> you can't know if it's running the same code
L360[07:35:17] <asie> the client is FLOSS but sometimes slightly out of date relative to upstream
L361[07:35:17] <Izaya> asie: you're not wrong, but I'd prefer it anyway
L362[07:35:38] <Izaya> because then I could set up my own server and fuck with it anyway
L363[07:36:27] <vifino> Inari: hmm? what perverted thing do you want me to dl? xD
L364[07:36:44] <Inari> AmandaC's kittypics
L365[07:36:57] <Izaya> that couldn't be misinterpreted
L366[07:37:01] <vifino> that works, only takes 30 seconds per image
L367[07:37:08] <Inari> :p
L368[07:37:14] <Inari> You could play Kamidori though~
L369[07:37:28] <Arcan> good morning ^=^
L370[07:37:29] <vifino> ... do i wanna google that?
L371[07:37:43] <Inari> No, cause spoilers
L372[07:37:51] <Inari> https://vndb.org/v5652
L373[07:38:07] <Arcan> wikipedia says it's an `eroge` whatever that means
L374[07:38:17] <Izaya> What do you think it means?
L375[07:38:29] <Arcan> something lewd
L376[07:38:32] <vifino> does it have a happy ending?
L377[07:38:42] <Inari> No clue, not at the end yet
L378[07:38:43] <vifino> wait nvm, it's an eroge, it does.
L379[07:38:59] <Izaya> not all eroge have happy endings
L380[07:39:27] <vifino> <i didn't mean how it ends>
L381[07:39:39] <Inari> ?.?
L382[07:40:00] <vifino> Inari: oh come on
L383[07:40:00] <AmandaC> Hrm, seems I broke the telegram API tracing in @KittiesBot -- but I'm willing to bet a non-trivial amount of that 30s is me uploading the image to telegram, vifino
L384[07:40:12] <vifino> i see
L385[07:40:14] <Izaya> that's usually not the ending
L386[07:40:22] <Izaya> that reminds me I was going to watch some person of interest
L387[07:40:36] <AmandaC> Telegram is a bit unclear about how long it keeps images cached, so I can't just use an old image upload ID easily
L388[07:40:39] <Izaya> not an eroge but it's media and all I've consumed recently is increasingly depressing amounts of ARK
L389[07:40:40] <vifino> Inari: a /happy ending/, wink wink, nudge nudge?
L390[07:40:47] <Inari> s/watch/stalk
L391[07:40:47] <MichiBot> <Izaya> that reminds me I was going to stalk some person of interest
L392[07:40:59] <Izaya> Inari: it's a TV show
L393[07:41:09] <Inari> vifino: But why would it be an ending
L394[07:41:16] <vifino> private audience? filthy.
L395[07:41:43] <Izaya> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person_of_Interest_(TV_series)
L396[07:41:48] <vifino> Inari: ... do i have to spell it out for you of all people?
L397[07:41:56] <vifino> <_<
L398[07:41:56] <Izaya> also my searches are bizarre https://i.imgur.com/FHZqO3Z.png
L399[07:42:35] <Inari> Is duckduckgo good yet?
L400[07:42:42] <Arcan> Inari: good enough to be usable
L401[07:42:46] <Izaya> ^
L402[07:42:47] <Izaya> it works
L403[07:42:51] <Izaya> images are mediocre
L404[07:42:56] <Izaya> but it generally knows what I want to find
L405[07:43:00] <Arcan> Izaya: IMO only the first season of that show was any good
L406[07:43:03] <Izaya> YMMV
L407[07:43:05] <Inari> Last I tried it was more annoying than google at least
L408[07:43:15] <Inari> But that was a couple years ago
L409[07:43:28] <Izaya> I don't often search for things
L410[07:43:30] <Arcan> i use advanced search operators to find what i want, which makes it better
L411[07:43:53] <Izaya> tbh most of my browsing is either 4chan, 8chan or lainchan
L412[07:44:27] <Izaya> I really should get a proper client for those
L413[07:46:33] * Arcan sighs at Izaya
L414[07:46:45] <Izaya> ???
L415[07:47:22] <Inari> https://github.com/pervognsen/bitwise interesting
L416[07:48:02] <Izaya> Arcan: what?
L417[07:48:50] <Arcan> nothing
L418[07:48:54] <Arcan> sorry
L419[07:49:02] <vifino> Izaya: did you get that I have an IBM thinkpad now? :3
L420[07:49:12] <Izaya> a T42 is a good machine
L421[07:49:12] <Inari> Not everyone is enarmored with the -chans :p
L422[07:49:13] <vifino> IBM Thinkpad T42p
L423[07:49:21] <Izaya> what is p again
L424[07:49:30] <vifino> portable, irc..
L425[07:49:37] <Izaya> Inari: every form of social media is equally cancerous
L426[07:49:39] <Inari> 1080portable
L427[07:49:41] <Izaya> oh so is that like the -s now?
L428[07:49:52] <vifino> i have no clue
L429[07:49:53] <Inari> Izaya: Some just more so than others
L430[07:50:00] <Izaya> nah
L431[07:50:05] <Inari> %shrug
L432[07:50:05] <MichiBot> Inari: No you shrug!
L433[07:50:05] <vifino> it's usually just a refined version.
L434[07:50:11] <Inari> CAn't say I do much social media
L435[07:50:24] <Forecaster> I use DDG for the convenient ! shortcuts
L436[07:50:30] <Izaya> ^
L437[07:50:33] <Forecaster> but I almost always use !g or !gi
L438[07:50:37] <Forecaster> for searches
L439[07:50:41] <Izaya> pfft
L440[07:50:41] <Inari> Heh
L441[07:50:54] <vifino> i use shell scripts for that *shrug*
L442[07:50:54] <Izaya> the !s are v. convenient
L443[07:51:02] <Izaya> I use !w a lot
L444[07:51:06] <Inari> !shortcuts should be a browser feature
L445[07:51:13] <Izaya> some browsers have them
L446[07:51:16] <Forecaster> the search results from DDG's own engine tend to be.... not very useful
L447[07:51:18] <Inari> I know
L448[07:51:18] <AmandaC> They kinda are, at least in chrome
L449[07:51:22] <Izaya> just not chrome, notchrome, or internet explorer
L450[07:51:29] <vifino> super-s: open a search query window
L451[07:51:53] <vifino> does math and everything.
L452[07:52:00] <vifino> am smurt.
L453[07:52:01] <AmandaC> If I type myani<tab> I get a search box that searches myanimelist, same for some other sites that use the search xml thing
L454[07:52:19] <Izaya> oh that's convenient
L455[07:52:31] <Izaya> FF has that in the search box but you have to click and that's obnoxious
L456[07:52:47] <Inari> If I type exh<tab> I get a serach ox that searched exhentai.. oh wait
L457[07:52:58] <Izaya> vifino: https://i.imgur.com/FHZqO3Z.png here's what I've been doing
L458[07:53:18] <Izaya> tfw 600X is still kill
L459[07:54:37] <Inari> Yeah firefox can do the shortcut thing
L460[07:54:42] <Inari> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-search-from-address-bar
L461[07:55:04] <Izaya> huh
L462[07:55:22] <Izaya> there you go
L463[07:55:38] * Izaya defined a bunch in Luakit but they've since fucked up a bunch of stuff in a most obnoxious way
L464[08:04:19] <vifino> oh shit the thinkpad boots xp
L465[08:05:36] <Forecaster> Apparently this webcomic author doesn't like being corrected, and thinks that deserves capital punishment http://tinyurl.com/ybw2s3bw
L466[08:08:25] <Izaya> Guess he has some...
L467[08:08:27] <Izaya> Eissues.
L468[08:08:40] <Forecaster> hah
L469[08:09:08] <Arcan> on a side note
L470[08:09:14] <Forecaster> I just removed the comic from my feed
L471[08:09:21] <Forecaster> I didn't really care much about it anyway
L472[08:09:24] <Arcan> how come microcontrollers can't actually control other things (except like, redstone)
L473[08:09:57] <Izaya> because
L474[08:09:57] <Forecaster> because they're supposed to be limited I guess
L475[08:10:02] <AmandaC> Arcan: because something about making them have a distinct usecase vs just placing a case
L476[08:10:02] <Izaya> their ability to control is micro
L477[08:10:04] <Izaya> hence the name
L478[08:11:09] <AmandaC> %choose code or no
L479[08:11:09] <MichiBot> AmandaC: code
L480[08:11:17] <AmandaC> %choose server or client
L481[08:11:18] <MichiBot> AmandaC: server
L482[08:11:21] <AmandaC> Hrm. Nah
L483[08:13:11] <Forecaster> %choose to be or not to be
L484[08:13:11] <MichiBot> Forecaster: not to be
L485[08:13:15] <Forecaster> damn
L486[08:13:20] <AmandaC> RIP Forecaster
L487[08:13:33] <Corded> * <Forecaster> siezes to exist
L488[08:13:39] <Izaya> ceases*
L489[08:14:26] <Forecaster> yes
L490[08:14:47] <Corded> * <Forecaster> seizes existence
L491[08:15:28] * AmandaC seizes the means of existence
L492[08:16:14] <vifino> Izaya: i just noticwd
L493[08:16:28] <vifino> the thinkpad t42p series does not have a windows key
L494[08:16:41] <vifino> boy o boy
L495[08:16:49] <Izaya> indeed
L496[08:16:54] <Izaya> nor does the 600X
L497[08:17:08] <Arcan> i like more keys, even if the OS doesn't use them
L498[08:17:16] <Arcan> i can rebind them to whatever i want in games
L499[08:25:31] <vifino> ugh, usb doesn't work.
L500[08:25:51] <vifino> wifi doesn't seem to be a working thing, either.
L501[08:26:11] <Izaya> https://my.mixtape.moe/cwohcz.png
L502[08:26:22] <vifino> 60gb hdd, dvd drive, gross as fuck
L503[08:26:28] <vifino> mehhhhh
L504[08:27:14] <vifino> Izaya: you should play xon with me
L505[08:28:03] <Izaya> strip the coating and replace it
L506[08:28:29] <vifino> the display is damaged too.
L507[08:28:37] <Izaya> oh.
L508[08:29:03] <vifino> it smells like it's been in a forrest for a year
L509[08:29:18] <vifino> which probably isn't far off.
L510[08:29:30] <vifino> so, play xon with me, Izaya!
L511[08:30:34] <vifino> i'll try to be on exe.pub, like usually
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L513[08:31:41] <Izaya> I can probably manage a game before bed
L514[08:31:56] <Izaya> First, some alcohol, so I can blame that for me being terrible.
L515[08:34:52] <vifino> hey man, i am on a worse connection than you
L516[08:35:03] <vifino> i need my soberness
L517[08:35:48] <Izaya> https://i.4cdn.org/g/1520829355847.jpg GNOME mouse
L518[08:38:41] <Arcan> how is 4cdn not blocked by the firewall here ;-;
L519[08:38:52] <Arcan> it makes no sense...
L520[08:42:21] <vifino> Izaya: well for someone who basically has three hands, that's awesome
L521[08:50:46] <Inari> Someone needs to make a good god game
L522[08:50:53] <Inari> Since Godus kinda died after losing its way
L523[08:54:34] <Forecaster> what's a "good" god game?
L524[08:55:09] ⇦ Quits: erratic (erratic@shells.yourstruly.sx) (Ping timeout: 198 seconds)
L525[08:56:28] <AmandaC> Godus before it lost it's way, DUH!
L526[08:56:38] <Temia> :/
L527[08:56:59] * AmandaC meows hello to Temia
L528[08:57:10] <Temia> Forecaster, you know what the "to be or not to be" skit was about, right?
L529[08:58:06] *** Alex_hawks|Alt is now known as Alex_hawks
L530[08:59:19] ⇨ Joins: WOPRNITE (~woprnite@69.25.207.19)
L531[08:59:41] <WOPRNITE> okay installed wocchat on my OC tablet
L532[09:00:00] <WOPRNITE> now I can annoy real programmers from anywhere in MC
L533[09:00:15] ⇦ Quits: WOPRNITE (~woprnite@69.25.207.19) (Remote host closed the connection)
L534[09:00:16] * Temia sighs and curls up hugging Amanda close
L535[09:01:24] <Temia> People joking about suicide, that's precisely what I needed to wake up to, yep ._.
L536[09:01:48] <Forecaster> I've never read or studied Hamlet no
L537[09:02:12] <Temia> Yeah, that whole thing was Hamlet contemplating suicide
L538[09:02:17] <Forecaster> ah
L539[09:02:27] <Dominance> @Sangar looking over scavenge, if a block has a max number of uses, like lets say 5. does the block itself change in meta data or something to account for that? if for instance someone scavenged 4 times then silk touched it and replaced. would it still only have one use left?
L540[09:04:22] <Temia> When he poses the question, he means it in the most literal way possible, whether to continue existing or end it all.
L541[09:04:45] <Arcan> oy spoilers /s
L542[09:04:58] <Temia> It's fucking HAMLET
L543[09:05:21] <Temia> Statute of spoilers has been over for hundreds of years
L544[09:05:24] <Arcan> did you not notice the '/s'
L545[09:05:30] <Arcan> i was trying to be funny
L546[09:05:34] <Temia> I'm not.
L547[09:05:58] * Arcan feels bad now
L548[09:06:11] <Temia> I'm always serious as a fucking heart attack when the subject's about suicide
L549[09:07:04] <Arcan> i didn't make a suicide joke, those are in very poor taste
L550[09:07:19] <Temia> Yeah, you get a pass there at least
L551[09:07:35] <Temia> I'm just not in the mood for jokes since someone else did
L552[09:08:08] <Temia> I'm going to go make breakfast and try to get my mind off this
L553[09:08:29] <Temia> Sorry for lashing out, Arcan
L554[09:08:44] <Arcan> it's ok
L555[09:10:18] * vifino offers his new axe and half meter wide chunks of wood to Temia
L556[09:13:50] <Inari> Forecaster: One that isn't Godus
L557[09:16:46] <Inari> I feel like if we treated suicide as Trantor does we'd have less issues with the topic (I'm also not a big fan of the topic :P Though it can be nice to discuss in a purely detached way)
L558[09:19:06] <Temia> Yeah, uh
L559[09:19:27] <Temia> good fucking luck for those who've lost friends to it.
L560[09:20:32] <Inari> Yeah, it's a sensitive topic
L561[09:20:39] <Inari> Though making it a taboo to talk about wouldn't help it
L562[09:21:02] <Corded> * <Lizzian> makes Inari a taboo topic
L563[09:21:31] <Inari> You're upping me lewdness rating are you
L564[09:21:57] <Lizzian> i thought that was already near-max?
L565[09:21:58] <Izaya> only by 1
L566[09:22:27] <Inari> I can't really deal well with suicide stuff in RL or when it comes up in anime ro such though, which is why I said "In a detached way"
L567[09:23:47] <Inari> Lizzy: Which max? MAX_INT?
L568[09:23:58] <Lizzian> if you want
L569[09:27:16] * Arcan changes the data type of Inari's lewdness from INT to LONG
L570[09:27:38] <Arcan> and tbh it's probably ULONG
L571[09:28:00] * Izaya squints
L572[09:28:14] <Arcan> unsigned long?
L573[09:28:28] <Inari> But yeah, on Trantor suicide isn't a taboo topic, and its just generally accepted that someone may decide to not want to live any longer. There are even institutions that let you meet your end in a dignified way and that make it a nice thing for you. So you'd be encouraged to use those instead of just doing something unnice. The catch is that you have to go to a therapist first
L574[09:29:43] <Temia> Yeah, see
L575[09:30:02] <Temia> That just hammers the point home that the friends I lost were unable to get therapy for a multitude of reasons
L576[09:30:12] <Inari> Well yeah
L577[09:30:14] <Inari> Thats somethign we should fix
L578[09:32:42] <Temia> Perhaps, but until it is (and honestly, I doubt it could be fixed without killing a LOT of people at the top, whether in private or public works, but that's a discussion for elsewhere), I'm still losing people dear to me.
L579[09:34:58] <Inari> Yeah
L580[09:35:09] <Inari> Personally I don't understand suicide anyway ^^"
L581[09:35:11] <Temia> So, yeah, bit of a sensitive subject and not one I'd like to see referenced so lightheartedly.
L582[09:35:15] <Temia> Mm.
L583[09:35:33] <Inari> I'm more on the side of "I wanna live forever" :D
L584[09:37:14] <Temia> Yeah.
L585[09:40:00] <Arcan> i want to snug forever myself
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L587[09:43:45] <Inari> You'd think wanting to live forever would be a fairly standard thing. But you haven't met the bunch of pessimists my friends are then :P "But everyone you know would die and such!"
L588[09:45:47] <Arcan> then i'll find more people to snug
L589[09:46:11] <Izaya> I'd get bored, eventually.
L590[09:46:16] <Inari> That was my point. Sure it sucks, but you'll meet new people, and you'll get over periods of grief
L591[09:46:16] <Arcan> if i knew i was immortal i'd probably go around helping people out, because that's what makes me happy
L592[09:46:32] <Inari> "But what kinda monsterw ould that make you!"
L593[09:46:54] <Inari> Izaya: Eh, I'm bored either way
L594[09:46:59] <Izaya> tbh if I were immortal I'd try to explore space
L595[09:47:11] <Arcan> Izaya: a dragon, hopefully :3
L596[09:47:24] <Izaya> wrong tab-complete
L597[09:47:31] <Arcan> sorry
L598[09:47:35] <Inari> If I knew I had a looooooooooooong lifetime, I'd also do stuff like, find a nice fresh volcano, settle by it, see how it cools and how nature spreads through the cooled caldera~
L599[09:47:46] <Izaya> That'd be pretty cool.
L600[09:48:21] <Inari> (That is, assuming space travel exists that can get me to a planet like that reasonably fast :D)
L601[09:49:04] <chrapacz2000> hello there tech ppl
L602[09:49:10] <Inari> %hi
L603[09:49:13] <Inari> %hello
L604[09:49:13] <MichiBot> Inari: Hello! Welcome to #oc! The one and only opencomputers channel! Please ask your questions directly (dont ask to ask) and provide error/code examples! (Use pastebin.com if theyre more than one line!) Dont mind the random conversation you might have walked into.
L605[09:50:04] <chrapacz2000> any one know how to use Pendrive as Hard drive?
L606[09:50:12] <KommandGamer> I need to learn lua
L607[09:50:21] <chrapacz2000> i found old PC from 2003 and it had no HDD
L608[09:50:34] <Izaya> basically,
L609[09:50:36] <Izaya> plug it in
L610[09:50:44] <Izaya> :D
L611[09:50:52] <chrapacz2000> no ni
L612[09:50:54] <chrapacz2000> no no [Edited]
L613[09:50:56] <Izaya> then you can boot up a loonix CD and install onto the flash drive
L614[09:51:03] <chrapacz2000> oh ok
L615[09:51:04] <Izaya> run the OS from there
L616[09:51:15] <chrapacz2000> cause i have a puppy linux on the pendrive
L617[09:51:40] <Izaya> you'll probably have to convince the BIOS to boot from the flash drive though
L618[09:51:45] <Arcan> if the flash drive is bootable you should be able to just select the flashdrive from the boot options menu
L619[09:52:22] <chrapacz2000> yeah but it won't boot from USB no idea why i made used Live-USB
L620[09:52:37] <chrapacz2000> the computer is Dell optiplex 740
L621[09:52:48] <Izaya> So you configured the system to boot from the flash drive?
L622[09:53:30] <Izaya> alternatively
L623[09:53:40] <Izaya> burn a PLOP CD and use that to boot from the flash drive
L624[09:54:01] <chrapacz2000> i will try on DVD-R
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L628[10:16:27] <Izaya> obligatory Thank Haruhi for Jim Sterling.
L629[10:23:32] <asie> ._.
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L631[10:33:14] <Forecaster> http://www.ibtimes.com/national-napping-day-2018-facts-celebrate-return-daylight-saving-2661775
L632[10:35:42] <Forecaster> also, Amanda: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4j8SDxtCOE
L633[10:35:43] <MichiBot> [ NEW HERO ] Jetpack Cat Origin Story | Overwatch | length: 2m 1s | Likes: 30,262 Dislikes: 228 Views: 310,897 | by To Binge | Published On 11/3/2018
L634[10:48:48] <payonel> xarses: awake?
L635[10:51:09] <Forecaster> http://maximumble.thebookofbiff.com/2018/03/12/1695-diary/
L636[10:51:09] <Forecaster> heh
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L638[10:52:07] zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L639[10:52:56] <AmandaC> A PC from 2003 is a crapshoot on if it'd even support usb booting
L640[10:54:36] <ben_mkiv> reminds me of my p3 dual system, which was pretty dope xD
L641[10:56:16] <Izaya> P4 boxes usually do, P3 not so much
L642[10:56:37] <ben_mkiv> i've got a p3 mobile next to me
L643[11:02:07] <ben_mkiv> random fact... intel dropped p4 stuff and core duo is based on pentium m (pentium 3 mobile)
L644[11:03:53] <Izaya> Aye
L645[11:04:06] <Izaya> Netbust was a miss steak
L646[11:30:32] <xarses_> payonel: bundled redstone...
L647[11:30:45] <payonel> aye
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L653[12:30:26] <Lizzian> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bij-JjzCa7o hehehe
L654[12:30:27] <MichiBot> Why European Clocks are Running Slow, and British Clocks Aren't | length: 4m 12s | Likes: 5,609 Dislikes: 56 Views: 39,606 | by Tom Scott | Published On 12/3/2018
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L656[12:34:29] <S3> ROFL
L657[12:34:43] <S3> So I was trying to show somebody what the Apple II aged Oregon trail looked like
L658[12:34:57] <S3> I typed in Apple II Oregon Trail into google and one of the first images was this:
L659[12:34:57] <S3> https://www.myabandonware.com/media/screenshots/t/the-oregon-trail-bok/the-oregon-trail_1.gif
L660[12:44:09] <payonel> Inari: https://m.imgur.com/gzoI88m
L661[12:48:27] <S3> those yours payonel ?
L662[12:51:48] <payonel> no :)
L663[12:51:56] <payonel> i'll upload one of mine in a bit
L664[12:54:20] <payonel> https://slack-files.com/T025QNLGW-F9NGX570A-12c78065fa
L665[12:55:18] <Inari> Haha, nice shot
L666[13:00:11] <S3> ahahahaha
L667[13:00:15] <Vexatos> >not uploaded cat box to catbox.moe
L668[13:00:53] <Vexatos> payonel, why are you still using slack ,_, stop using ancient outdated software and just use IRC for everything :I
L669[13:01:03] <payonel> work
L670[13:01:12] <payonel> i posted that to work, shared it here
L671[13:01:24] <Vexatos> your work seems really serious
L672[13:01:36] <payonel> of course we have a #cats channel
L673[13:01:47] <Vexatos> Do you have a #boxes channel
L674[13:02:04] <payonel> haha no
L675[13:06:36] <S3> #catsinboxes
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L677[13:08:14] <Vexatos> S3, I prefer #catsinoneboxeach
L678[13:08:34] <S3> lol
L679[13:11:57] <Forecaster> @Lizzian that's neat
L680[13:12:04] <Forecaster> though I don't own any analog clocks
L681[13:13:31] <Vexatos> any electric clock not connected to radio works that way
L682[13:14:30] <Forecaster> even battery powered ones?
L683[13:15:13] <Forecaster> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nu6C-Ci7_Q
L684[13:15:14] <MichiBot> Sony Digital Mavica: 1997 Floppy Disk Camera Experience | length: 16m 44s | Likes: 211 Dislikes: 5 Views: 375 | by LGR | Published On 12/3/2018
L685[13:16:06] <Vexatos> quartz clocks don't, no
L686[13:32:33] <Forecaster> I remember handling a floppy disk camera...
L687[13:57:55] <S3> those were nice
L688[13:58:06] <S3> many of them couldonly harness 15s of video
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L690[14:43:03] <Chaz> Hiya o/ I'm taking a poke at the 1.7.2 update, I'm loving this so far, haha. I'm playing about with T1 wireless network cards now, I like these
L691[14:46:48] <Chaz> Also, question - How would I program a bios to read a wireless message? I get the feeling event.pull is an OpenOS-only thing, so I'm a bit confused
L692[14:47:46] <Forecaster> maybe through what event.pull does ;)
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L694[14:48:17] <Chaz> True, I'll take a look and see what that does, haha.
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L696[14:51:53] <Chaz> Aha, I'd be able to use computer.pullSignal for a bios, yeah. I'll see what I can manage with that, thanks for the tip! o/
L697[14:53:34] <payonel> @Chaz glad you're happy with 1.7.2 so far - please feel free to ask any questions you have here
L698[14:53:53] <payonel> a few of us here are pretty happy to help out
L699[14:59:46] <payonel> @Chaz the return values of event.pull are the same as computer.pullSignal
L700[15:00:05] <payonel> event.pull adds some conveniences like timeouts and filtering
L701[15:00:28] <Chaz> Ahh, righto!
L702[15:00:39] <payonel> i take that back --
L703[15:00:45] <payonel> computer.pullSignal also has the timeout field
L704[15:01:22] <payonel> fyi, if you coroutine.yield from the init level (i.e. the root coroutine of your machine), it'll block UNTIL there is an event
L705[15:01:23] <AmandaC> %choose new or feels train
L706[15:01:23] <MichiBot> AmandaC: new
L707[15:01:37] <payonel> Izaya: right?
L708[15:03:07] <Vexatos> >do Rietveld refinement
L709[15:03:10] <Vexatos> >400 new files
L710[15:03:13] <Vexatos> thanks game
L711[15:03:42] <Vexatos> seafile no like uploading 400 new files :I
L712[15:03:45] <payonel> @Chaz and the return from coroutine.yield() would be the same
L713[15:09:00] <Chaz> Hmm, alright. This is maybe a bit trickier than I anticipated but I'll figure it out eventually! Basically I'm trying to get a smaller system with a T1 wireless modem (Such as a drone or a microcontroller, something that doesn't have access to the event library) to read signals sent from my tablet (I'm experimenting with the Creative tablet which has a T2 wireless right now)
L714[15:23:03] <payonel> @Chaz this might be a good starting point for you https://hastebin.com/idupasakev.lua
L715[15:23:35] <Chaz> Ah, sweet! Thank you :D
L716[15:24:01] <payonel> @Chaz http://ocdoc.cil.li/component:signals#network_cards
L717[15:24:24] <payonel> that definition of the `modem_message` explains the values you get from a `modem_message` signal
L718[15:24:56] <payonel> it is also helpful to run `dmesg` in openos to consider details in signals
L719[15:31:13] <Chaz> Hm, bumping into syntax errors while testing this out, but I'll figure out what's going wrong, haha
L720[15:32:54] <payonel> oh i forgot to declare handle_message as a function
L721[15:33:03] <payonel> local function handle_message(...) end
L722[15:33:13] <payonel> sorry, i didnt test it :)
L723[15:33:20] <Chaz> Haha, no worries o/
L724[15:33:44] <Izaya> \o
L725[15:34:08] <Inari> https://imgur.com/gallery/dRQZX
L726[15:34:26] <Forecaster> floof!
L727[15:34:49] <Inari> https://imgur.com/gallery/IVEr4 AmandaC... so thats why I've gottnen so little mail!
L728[15:34:51] <payonel> Inari: that isn't real
L729[15:34:54] <payonel> that can't be real
L730[15:35:41] <AmandaC> Inari: I
L731[15:35:45] <AmandaC> Inari: I'm innocent!
L732[15:35:52] * AmandaC hides her stash of stolen gloves
L733[15:36:20] <Forecaster> payonel: why?
L734[15:36:24] <Inari> https://imgur.com/gallery/HDY7I :p
L735[15:36:29] <payonel> it's too fluffy
L736[15:36:41] <Inari> payonel: of course it isn't real
L737[15:36:45] <Inari> They stapled floof to the dog
L738[15:37:13] <AmandaC> payonel: I'm sure there are doggos that floofy
L739[15:37:45] <AmandaC> Given the fact the husky I had growing up could somehow generate more fur than should be possible to come off him during shedding season, anyway
L740[15:38:03] <Vexatos> Inari, floof truly is a staple on dogs
L741[15:38:14] <Inari> %golfclap
L742[15:38:23] <AmandaC> You could safely walk up and pinch, pull, and not hurt him at all during the shedding seasons
L743[15:38:38] <Inari> TIL AmandaC grew up with a dog
L744[15:38:52] <AmandaC> Inari: Two of them! ( At different times )
L745[15:39:30] <AmandaC> The husky was about 13-14 when we had to put him down due to arthritis
L746[15:39:53] <Inari> :<
L747[15:40:26] <AmandaC> A few onths later we got a little beagle, I forget how old he was when we got him, but we had to put him down too 5-6 years later.
L748[15:40:35] <AmandaC> Dad hath declared no more pets, though
L749[15:41:37] <AmandaC> The husky's name was Thor, and the beagle was Nicky
L750[15:41:57] <Forecaster> did it have an eyepatch?
L751[15:42:10] <AmandaC> That's Odin, @Forecaster
L752[15:42:14] <Vexatos> it certainly was rather empty inside
L753[15:42:16] <AmandaC> Odin is missing an eye
L754[15:42:22] <Vexatos> Why else would one call it husky
L755[15:42:51] <Vexatos> or maybe all the fur is the husk, and there was never any dog underneath D:
L756[15:42:57] <Forecaster> Amanda: http://thesmashable.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Nick-fury-2.jpg
L757[15:43:04] <AmandaC> Oh
L758[15:43:18] <AmandaC> I thought you were referring to Thor
L759[15:43:19] <Vexatos> I mean Odin donated his eye to a good cause
L760[15:43:22] <Vexatos> spying on his neighbors
L761[15:44:43] <Forecaster> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/340238602334240780/422853791839420416/IMG_20180312_202944.jpg
L762[15:44:58] <Chaz> Note to self, testing wireless modems would work better if I actually place a wireless modem in the computer. I forgot I'd put in a regular network card just to test some other stuff
L763[15:45:04] <Chaz> Don't I feel like a doofus, haha
L764[15:45:17] <Forecaster> don't worry, everyone's a doofus
L765[15:45:22] <Vexatos> except me
L766[15:45:25] <Vexatos> D:
L767[15:45:30] <Forecaster> no no
L768[15:45:31] <Forecaster> everyone
L769[15:45:33] <Vexatos> im tehsmrtst
L770[15:45:34] <AmandaC> Vexatos is a mega-doofus
L771[15:45:36] <Forecaster> some are just better at hiding it
L772[15:46:01] <Vexatos> AmandaC, in Gen VII you have the Alolan doofus
L773[15:46:55] <AmandaC> Vexatos: But I don't have brightly coloured fur patches. D:
L774[15:47:02] <AmandaC> I guess I'm a nocturnal species
L775[15:51:34] <Chaz> Nocturnal Doofus
L776[15:51:40] <Chaz> (That sounds about right for me actually)
L777[15:52:13] <Vexatos> Am I virtual doofus
L778[15:52:20] <Chaz> Okay, so I can see the computer's receiving my modem messages, I just need to figure out this last part and then test it out
L779[15:53:34] <Chaz> Basically I want to say "If the message sent to this modem matches this keyword, do a thing"
L780[15:54:13] <Izaya> payonel: I may be doing it wrong but a decent part of the motivation for having minitel on embedded devices is so I can use them to route messages
L781[15:54:31] <payonel> Izaya: i dont think you're doing it wrong
L782[15:54:33] <Chaz> I've at least managed to confirm that the computer is receiving and unpacking the signal by making it beep when it receives a signal from my tablet. \o/
L783[15:54:45] * payonel beeps
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L785[15:57:13] <Chaz> This might be a good point for me to at least test the program as is and make sure it's working as I want it to, though, haha
L786[16:02:03] <Chaz> Attempt to call a nil value (global 'require'). Interesting
L787[16:02:26] <Chaz> (I am way too used to using OpenOS, haha)
L788[16:03:47] <Chaz> Ah right, it's because I was trying to call various values while testing the program on my computer before flashing it to a BIOS
L789[16:04:32] <Izaya> You can write it to /tmp and set the boot address to /tmp
L790[16:04:56] <Izaya> Like copy your EEPROM code to /tmp/init.lua
L791[16:05:25] <Izaya> Then computer.setBootAddress(computer.tmpAddress()) computer.shutdown(true)
L792[16:06:00] <Chaz> Alright
L793[16:08:30] <Izaya> https://i.4cdn.org/g/1520844046085.png
L794[16:10:21] <Skye> Izaya, please tell me that's real
L795[16:13:25] <AmandaC> %choose computer or no
L796[16:13:25] <MichiBot> AmandaC: computer
L797[16:13:28] <AmandaC> no
L798[16:14:36] <Chaz> Bit of trial and error but I got it to work! long story short the BIOS doesn't need me to 'require' libraries like computer and component, looks like. I now have a microcontroller that beeps when I send a signal via tablet
L799[16:14:44] <Chaz> Which is about halfway to what I wanted, haha
L800[16:15:23] <payonel> @Chaz openos puts all system api behind the "library" packaging
L801[16:15:44] <payonel> the core lua api are the ONLY things in _G in openos
L802[16:16:07] <payonel> io, print, require, coroutine, math, table, string, etc
L803[16:17:03] <payonel> component and computer HAVE to be available to _G at the bios level because there is no other api to talk to the metal of your machine
L804[16:17:14] <payonel> technically, we could have put component behind computer as well
L805[16:17:18] <Vexatos> s/metal/scala/
L806[16:17:18] <MichiBot> <payonel> component and computer HAVE to be available to _G at the bios level because there is no other api to talk to the scala of your machine
L807[16:17:24] <payonel> something like computer.getComponentApi
L808[16:17:29] <payonel> but, that wouldn't add much to the experience
L809[16:17:46] <payonel> Vexatos: you're breaking the 4th wall
L810[16:18:07] <Vexatos> there is no fourth wall I didn't draw any quad there
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L813[16:32:12] <Izaya> ~w custom os
L814[16:32:13] <ocdoc> Predicted http://ocd.cil.li/tutorial:custom_oses
L815[16:32:21] <Chaz> Hah, nice. Surprisingly the change I made to my program to make it respond to a specific signal actually worked first try without any issue
L816[16:40:57] <Chaz> So I've gone from a box that goes beep to a box that makes things go boom. I'm sure there's other potential uses (Possibly as a home light controller now that I think about it)
L817[16:41:04] <Chaz> I just like using explosions to motivate my learning
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L819[17:58:42] <S3> yay
L820[17:58:43] <S3> https://imgur.com/a/lLs4f
L821[18:02:06] <MGR> I'm sure in Canada those amounts are 12-18 meters ?
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L829[19:41:33] <S3> no
L830[19:41:46] <S3> also in some parts of canada it literally never snows because it is too cold
L831[19:43:01] <S3> MGR 12-14" isn't really all that much anyways
L832[19:43:12] <S3> it's a good ammount, but we've had much worse
L833[19:43:27] <S3> though this year we're getting a lot of days with snowfall
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L835[20:08:06] <Kiritow> How to change the behavior or shell while tab is pressed.
L836[20:08:15] <Kiritow> How to change the behavior of shell while tab is pressed. [Edited]
L837[20:09:21] <Kiritow> Just like git on Linux, input `git pul` and press tab, the command will be replaced with `git pull`
L838[20:11:25] <CompanionCube> look at the shell code for completion?
L839[20:13:15] <Izaya> Skye: https://github.com/ShadowKatStudios/OC-Minitel/blob/master/Embedded/microtel-3-mini.lua behold
L840[20:13:59] <Kiritow> yes, shell code completion
L841[20:14:46] <Kiritow> What should I do ...?
L842[20:19:32] <S3> I don't like that
L843[20:19:42] <S3> because then if I have two files namred git and pul something
L844[20:19:48] <S3> and I want to tab complete them..
L845[20:21:17] <Kiritow> em...
L846[20:21:30] <Izaya> >:D 30% minification
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L849[20:48:23] <AmandaC> @Kiritow aiui the open os shell is hard coded to use file names, or command names if at the start.
L850[20:48:33] <Izaya> oppm pls
L851[20:48:41] <Izaya> this is valid lua
L852[20:48:41] <AmandaC> %choose active or passivr
L853[20:48:41] <MichiBot> AmandaC: passivr
L854[20:48:47] <Kiritow> okay, thanks...
L855[20:48:59] <AmandaC> Hrm... Nah, l play more ok my 3ds
L856[20:49:59] <AmandaC> I should proofread sometime... Nah
L857[20:50:22] * AmandaC cuddles back up, plays more Fantasy Life
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L860[20:58:04] <ben_mkiv|afk> anyone got a lua script to plant a forest?
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L864[21:00:49] <payonel> what the crap is an ender storage frequency?
L865[21:05:43] <Mimiru> I'd assume the color code used in Ender Storage to key chests together?
L866[21:06:50] <payonel> i suppose they could mean that
L867[21:06:56] <payonel> worst word for that possible
L868[21:07:01] <Izaya> >:D
L869[21:07:21] * payonel grumps
L870[21:07:36] <Izaya> currently running fget while routing over microcontrollers
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L872[21:18:12] <payonel> Mimiru: if i do allow changing the ender storage color ... should i allow it without any new upgrade? without requiring materials (the dyes)?
L873[21:26:14] <Mimiru> I... have no idea.
L874[21:27:34] <payonel> the answer is no
L875[21:27:40] <payonel> because that'd require more work
L876[21:27:42] <payonel> :)
L877[21:28:00] <payonel> err...'yes'
L878[21:28:03] <payonel> my question was in the negative
L879[21:28:24] * payonel cloaks
L880[21:31:42] <Kodos> I should work on my firewall uC code
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L882[21:48:54] <GCMC> Hello!
L883[21:50:08] <Izaya> o/
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L885[21:50:45] <Kodos> o/
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L887[21:57:38] <ben_mkiv|afk> payonel will that be an oc feature?
L888[21:58:14] <ben_mkiv|afk> require a ink cartridge maybe?!
L889[21:58:24] <ben_mkiv|afk> in a adapter
L890[21:58:28] <ben_mkiv|afk> next to a enderchest :>
L891[22:04:02] <Kodos> We're breaking EnderStorage compat now?
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L893[22:05:36] <Mimiru> @Kodos, likely https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues/2775
L894[22:05:37] <MichiBot> Title: [Suggestion] Allow frequency change of EnderStorage private ender chest / tank | Posted by: aquilon74 | Posted: Mon Mar 12 18:47:41 CDT 2018 | Status: open
L895[22:08:40] <Kodos> There's a reason they're called public and private channels
L896[22:08:54] <Kodos> If someone doesn't want their shit potentially probed and or stolen from, they should use a private ender chest
L897[22:14:42] <ben_mkiv|afk> yea but does it affect frequency?
L898[22:16:07] <payonel> @kodos i'm not going to break any compat - it was a feature request
L899[22:17:18] <Kodos> Ehhh, still though. Private is private for a reason
L900[22:17:47] <Kodos> There's no way to prevent slapping down a microcontroller programmed to empty all 4096 frequencies' worth of items on a private container
L901[22:18:40] <Kodos> Like, how would the computer even know who's private network to use
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L904[22:33:15] <Brisingr Aerowing> How about that it only works if the placer of the adapter / MC / etc and the owner of the chest are the same. If they aren't, any API method return an access error.
L905[22:41:39] <Kodos> That'd probably be easier than anything
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L907[23:15:07] <payonel> @kodos i'm not intersted in giving a robot access to a private chest - even with knowing who placed the robot. it opens a exploit to use private chests if an attacker is able to use someone else's robot
L908[23:15:13] <payonel> but, changing color? sure --
L909[23:15:19] <payonel> unless private chest colors are user-locked
L910[23:15:20] <payonel> are they?
L911[23:15:33] <Kodos> The colors are the channels, basically
L912[23:15:49] <Kodos> Right now, you can change the colors on a public chest, not sure how it handles a chest being private
L913[23:16:20] <Kodos> But you have more than just robots to worry about. Transposers and such
L914[23:16:56] <Kodos> I guess changing colors wouldn't change much other than being able to be generally annoying by changing the colors of someone's ender chest on their automation setup
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L916[23:19:17] <payonel> i know what the colors are, and right, my only interest in supporting the feature request is to modify those colors
L917[23:19:22] <payonel> not private chest access
L918[23:19:55] <payonel> and so, if private chest colors are protected in some way, i won't subvert that
L919[23:20:28] <Kodos> I don't think they are. Basically if a chest is 'private', when you open it, you'd be accessing YOUR private inventory on that channel
L920[23:20:39] <Kodos> So yeah, just modifying the colors via computer is fine
L921[23:20:53] <Kodos> But something like transposers shouldn't be able to access inventory if they're private
L922[23:21:36] <Kodos> I'm not sure how they are handled now, either
L923[23:27:58] <payonel> you poke my pride telling me how ender storage works :)
L924[23:28:09] <payonel> i should be more humble
L925[23:30:43] <Kodos> Lol I mostly just explain things for the sake of doing so
L926[23:30:51] <Kodos> I never presume to know whether or not someone knows how something works
L927[23:31:10] <ben_mkiv|afk> dont remove transposer access to private enderchests^^
L928[23:31:17] <ben_mkiv|afk> that breaks my workflow :>
L929[23:31:30] <Izaya> every change breaks someone's workflow
L930[23:31:51] <Kodos> Ben, they can already access private storage?
L931[23:31:57] <ben_mkiv|afk> yes
L932[23:32:02] *** ben_mkiv|afk is now known as ben_mkiv
L933[23:32:02] <Kodos> How does it know whose storage to access?
L934[23:33:22] <ben_mkiv> using it for things like this http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=133452
L935[23:33:33] <ben_mkiv> so they can share their inventory
L936[23:33:44] <Kodos> I still want to know
L937[23:33:46] <ben_mkiv> but well, theres still rftools remote storage
L938[23:33:56] <Kodos> How does it know to use your inventory, instead of someone else's
L939[23:34:15] <ben_mkiv> guess its a tileentity which stores the private id in nbt
L940[23:34:50] <payonel> i'm not CHANGING anything >_>
L941[23:34:55] <Kodos> Right, but if I walk up to those chests and open them, does it start using my inventory?
L942[23:35:00] <payonel> i may ADD support for something
L943[23:35:02] <Kodos> payonel, I know
L944[23:35:05] <ben_mkiv> no kodos
L945[23:35:09] <Kodos> I'm on a completely different tangent now
L946[23:35:12] <ben_mkiv> it uses the inventory of the person which locked the chest
L947[23:35:20] <ben_mkiv> even if you mine the chest it keeps the owner
L948[23:35:38] <payonel> Kodos: the agent know who placed it
L949[23:35:51] <payonel> in our OC code, that is
L950[23:35:59] <payonel> we use an agent to interface with things, and the agent has an owner
L951[23:36:15] <Kodos> Right, so that goes back to my original question
L952[23:36:30] <Kodos> If that's the case, could I just use a microcontroller with a transposer to empty all 4096 channels on your private network?
L953[23:36:36] <ben_mkiv> https://github.com/Chicken-Bones/EnderStorage/blob/master/src/codechicken/enderstorage/common/TileFrequencyOwner.java
L954[23:36:43] <ben_mkiv> that seems to be the class which handles ownership
L955[23:36:50] <ben_mkiv> if you are interested @kodos
L956[23:37:21] <payonel> what i didn't know previously is if we were using the agent owner for interacting with private ender chests
L957[23:37:31] <payonel> seems, according to ben_mkiv's testimony, that we are
L958[23:37:44] <Kodos> Right, so then that's a yes to my question, from what I understand
L959[23:37:54] <payonel> anyways, i'm fine adding the ability to change the colors, but reluctant to do so if color change requires using the agent owner
L960[23:38:19] <Kodos> I think it should only 'work' if the agent owner and the computer user are the same person
L961[23:38:27] <ben_mkiv> no payonel
L962[23:38:31] <ben_mkiv> the owner doesnt matter
L963[23:38:37] <ben_mkiv> imho
L964[23:39:17] <Nightmare> the last time i used ender chests, when putting a diamond on the chest it marked the chest as owned by the person who put the diamond on it, Anybody that opened it was opening the chest owned by the user who added the diamond
L965[23:39:31] <payonel> oh so they aren't locked?
L966[23:39:34] <ben_mkiv> well if you get hands on a enderchest that has another one, one could empty them all by changing the colors
L967[23:39:35] <Kodos> Right, so that means my scenario works
L968[23:39:38] <ben_mkiv> but thats also possible by hand
L969[23:39:54] <payonel> huh, i always assumed private chests were, you know, private
L970[23:40:03] <ben_mkiv> but you can give them away
L971[23:40:04] <payonel> there goes my pride out the window
L972[23:40:13] <Nightmare> they are private in the sense of someone can't make a chest that accesses your stuff
L973[23:40:19] <ben_mkiv> the chest stores who made it private
L974[23:40:33] <ben_mkiv> if you make it private and give it to kodos, kodos has access to your stuff
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L976[23:40:41] <payonel> this is a very different meaning of private :)
L977[23:40:43] <ben_mkiv> he could also change colors of that chest to check all colorcodes
L978[23:40:56] <ben_mkiv> well, if you give the key to your house away...
L979[23:41:00] <ben_mkiv> its the same scenario
L980[23:41:04] <Nightmare> ender chests are only private in the sense of someone can't make a chest and have your stuff in it
L981[23:41:12] <ben_mkiv> right^
L982[23:41:14] <payonel> we are not arguing
L983[23:41:19] <payonel> i'm saying that is a different meaning
L984[23:41:45] <ben_mkiv> yea, it doesnt behave like people could expect
L985[23:41:58] <payonel> i, for one, being one of those people
L986[23:42:05] <payonel> i never tested/investigated the meaning
L987[23:42:10] <ben_mkiv> but i wouldnt care about the owner for oc integration
L988[23:42:21] <ben_mkiv> thats up to ender storage
L989[23:42:21] <payonel> saw the feature a long time ago, and always assumed it made them private like vanilla private
L990[23:42:35] <Nightmare> vanilla ender chests but with colors
L991[23:42:40] <payonel> ben_mkiv: unless ender storage starts using vanilla-private :)
L992[23:42:59] <ben_mkiv> i like it how it is
L993[23:43:08] <ben_mkiv> you can make private channels between friends on big servers
L994[23:43:10] <Nightmare> that makes piping in and out of the chests difficult
L995[23:43:21] <payonel> not up to me
L996[23:43:21] <Nightmare> if you do it the vanilla way that is
L997[23:43:30] <ben_mkiv> and just dont give the chest away if you dont want anyone else to get access
L998[23:43:48] <payonel> SO anyways
L999[23:43:51] <payonel> that makes it simple for me
L1000[23:44:31] <ben_mkiv> but i wonder why people want to change colors
L1001[23:44:38] <ben_mkiv> maybe as delivery system or such?!
L1002[23:45:15] <Nightmare> player is at delivery point blue, red, red and so the main storage sends items via enderchest that has colors changed
L1003[23:46:06] <Kodos> Slightly related, but I think when the call to change colors 'works', it should return true along with the old frequency
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L1005[23:49:20] <ben_mkiv> or miningrobot which has one enderchest to dump inventory to different processing places
L1006[23:50:42] <payonel> Kodos: thanks, i like the feedback
L1007[23:50:59] <payonel> can i use an array of colors?
L1008[23:51:03] <payonel> seems cleaner that 3 colors
L1009[23:51:16] <Kodos> Current way is 0-4095
L1010[23:51:26] <payonel> current?
L1011[23:51:26] <ben_mkiv> int color like redstone?!
L1012[23:51:36] <payonel> we have a method of reading the color code?
L1013[23:51:38] <Kodos> YEs, you can change colors on non-private chests already
L1014[23:51:44] <payonel> haha
L1015[23:51:48] <payonel> YAY
L1016[23:51:49] <ben_mkiv> xD
L1017[23:51:57] <payonel> i still hold the title of knowing the most AND least about the mod
L1018[23:52:01] <Kodos> That's why the issue mentions private specifically
L1019[23:52:14] <payonel> then i'm not changing anything about the api
L1020[23:52:24] <payonel> i'll just look into accessing private ones
L1021[23:56:15] <Kodos> Actually, I guess I can't use a microcontroller to empty a chest
L1022[23:56:21] <Kodos> Well, not an ender chest, anyway
L1023[23:57:55] <ben_mkiv> but if someone added a check if they are private that was probably on purpose
L1024[23:58:02] <ben_mkiv> maybe make it a config option if that aint to much work
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