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L2[00:43:53] <payonel> what's a common
bundled input people use for 1.7.10?
L3[00:44:28] <Izaya> bundled input?
L4[00:44:33] <Izaya> like, bundled
redstone?
L5[00:45:07] <payonel> yeah
L6[00:45:26] <payonel> redpower?
L7[00:45:29] <payonel> is that
typical?
L8[00:45:37] <payonel> does ender io do
bundled?
L9[00:45:40] * Izaya
is unsure
L10[00:45:50] <Izaya> Haven't used that
stuff since 1.4.7
L11[00:45:54] <payonel> where is xarses?
:(
L12[00:46:09] <Izaya> I think EnderIO
implements something like that, there might be the immibis one,
then the uh
L13[00:46:12] <Izaya> the other one
L14[00:46:20] <payonel> Izaya: i went
through ALL the github issues like twice and picked the ones i have
an interest in fixing for 1.7.3
L16[00:46:48] <payonel> i MIGHT have got a
bit carried away
L17[00:46:51] <payonel> that's a big list
:)
L18[00:47:12] <Izaya> can I request a
simple feature, if it doesn't already exist?
L19[00:47:23] <payonel> yep
L20[00:47:29] <Izaya> something like syslog
would be nice
L21[00:47:39] <payonel> oh that reminds
me
L22[00:47:47] <payonel> i need a better
thread crash handler
L23[00:47:54] <Izaya> I assume you're not
actually meant to write to event.log
L24[00:48:06] <payonel> nah, it's a free
for all
L25[00:48:20] <payonel> event.onError
writes to it
L26[00:48:25] <payonel> it's not the design
i would have used
L27[00:48:37] <payonel> but...it's been
there for so long and i haven't had a big reason to change
that
L28[00:48:45] *
Izaya shrugs
L29[00:48:51] <Izaya> os.log or something
would be nice is all
L30[00:49:15] <payonel> where would it
write/
L31[00:49:17] <payonel> ?
L32[00:49:20] *
Izaya shrugs
L33[00:49:25] <payonel> :)
L34[00:49:25] <Izaya> /var/log would make
sense
L35[00:49:33] <payonel> as a file? or a
dir?
L36[00:49:39] <Izaya> dir
L37[00:49:45] <Izaya> want me to have a go
at implementing a logging API?
L38[00:49:47] <payonel> right, so, what
file?
L39[00:50:01] <Izaya> depends on the
program :^)
L40[00:50:22] <payonel> the thing about
openos ... we try to keep it super simple
L41[00:50:33] <Izaya> aye
L42[00:50:40] <payonel> once it gets into
configurable things, it's something historically we've left for
oppm and the comunity
L43[00:50:43] <payonel> community*
L44[00:51:00] *
Izaya hmms
L45[00:51:25] <Izaya> I could just write it
and stick it in the Minitel repo
L46[00:51:52] <payonel> one thing openos
does well is use the process lib to store process specific
settings
L47[00:52:30] <payonel> so, you could have
something like: process.info().data.log =
"/tmp/my_proc.log"
L48[00:52:35] <payonel> and then os.log
would write there
L49[00:52:38] <payonel> something like
that
L50[00:52:49] <payonel> that's a sloppy
suggestion
L51[00:52:58] <payonel> but my point is,
the data on a process is per-process
L52[00:53:02] <payonel> and inherited
L53[00:53:21] <payonel> so you could have a
default value, and a configurable value
L54[00:53:28] <Izaya> makes sense
L55[00:53:30] <payonel> if you're writing
programs for openos, keep that in mind
L56[00:53:59] <payonel> that's not a
documented feature, but coming from the openos dev here, definitely
something i honor as a core feature of the os
L57[00:54:23] <payonel> what's nice about
the process data too is that if you switch threads, you get the
current process info automagically
L58[00:54:43] <payonel> process io is store
there too, btw
L59[00:54:53] <payonel> and threads and
file handles, etc
L60[00:55:04] *
Izaya squints
L61[00:55:09] <Izaya> the process IO
store
L62[00:55:12] <Izaya> so like
L63[00:55:17] <payonel> stored*
L64[00:55:34] <Izaya> I could
io.open("file","wb") and redirect the output
programmatically
L65[00:55:43] <payonel> yes
L66[00:55:50] <payonel> but you can also do
that with io.output(fh)
L68[00:56:02] <payonel> and
io.input(fh)
L69[00:56:37] <payonel> and io.stream(ID,
FILE, MODE)
L70[00:56:46] <payonel> so, io.stream(0,
input_path, "r")
L71[00:56:59] <payonel> same as
io.input(input_path)
L72[00:58:50] <Izaya> interesting
L73[00:59:00] <payonel> when you use `proc
> log`, the `>` does the same thing
L74[00:59:07] <Izaya> figured as much
L75[01:00:11] <payonel> btw, for 1.7.3 i
just pushed an update -- processes will now close handles on
exit
L76[01:00:25] <payonel> so if you have
io.open(file) in your program, when your program exists, your file
is closed
L77[01:01:09] <payonel> that same mechanism
is shared for threads and io handles made in that process
L78[01:01:30] <Izaya> that seems
useful
L79[01:01:37] <payonel> for 1.7.3.dev i
suppose
L80[01:01:55] <payonel> or 1.7.3-alpha ...
i dont know what to call it :)
L81[01:02:05] <payonel> technically,
_VERSION is still 1.7.2
L82[01:02:16] <Izaya> 1.7.3-UNSTABLE
L84[01:02:20] <payonel> yep
L85[01:07:17] <Izaya> oh yeah
L86[01:07:27] <Izaya> I started working on
minitel for embedded devices
L87[01:07:44] <Izaya> layers 3 and 4, after
being minified? just under 2k
L88[01:09:09] <Izaya> gonna have to rewrite
layer 5 to make it small though
L89[01:09:35] <payonel> would you be
interested in an nfs and ramfs with a net boot under 4k? :)
L90[01:10:16] <Izaya> that sounds
very interesting
L91[01:10:42] <payonel> it's something i've
done in parts, but never as a "product"
L92[01:10:51] <Izaya> I assume ramfs so if
you have enough memory you can run OpenOS from RAM?
L93[01:10:58] <payonel> correct
L94[01:11:19] <payonel> and have a
filesystem
L95[01:11:21] <payonel> without a
filesystem
L96[01:11:26] <Izaya> I mean
L97[01:11:30] <payonel> ala drone and
uC
L98[01:11:32] <Izaya> you always have the
tmpfs
L99[01:11:36] <Izaya> even on drones and
uCs
L100[01:11:42] <payonel> true
L101[01:11:44] <Izaya> it's just you won't
fit OpenOS in 64k
L102[01:12:09] <payonel> yeah and you can
get a lot more ram than that
L103[01:12:18] <Izaya> aye
L104[01:16:06] <Izaya> I'd guess it runs
p. fast from RAM too
L105[01:16:52] <payonel> yeah
L106[01:18:50] <payonel> i dont think
ender does bundled(colored) redstone
L107[01:19:13] <payonel> ok redpower it
is
L108[01:19:21] <payonel> project red i
mead :)
L109[01:19:25] <payonel> mean*
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<Ristelle>
lol
L113[01:58:31] <Izaya> anyway, yeah,
microtel, as Skye suggested, can just be cat'd with an actual
program for an EEPROM and you get reliable and unreliable
packets
L114[01:59:48] <Izaya> Unfortunately, the
sockets stuff gets it up to 3.5k so that's not really usable
L115[02:04:57] <payonel> Izaya: since when
are packets in oc unreliable?
L116[02:05:24] <Izaya> I didn't know they
sent acks
L117[02:07:50] <Izaya> in all
seriousness
L118[02:07:59] <Izaya> this allows
arbitrary routing over a mesh
L119[02:08:02] <payonel> what's the value
of an ack if you know it'll arrive
L120[02:08:40] <Izaya> you don't
though
L121[02:08:55] <Izaya> one of the
intermediate nodes may have gone offline
L122[02:09:21] <payonel> i understand
that
L123[02:09:24] <payonel> and i know you do
too
L124[02:09:50] <payonel> what i'm saying
is that it's a lot of foundation where the reliability of the
network is deterministic
L125[02:13:05] <Izaya> I do want to run it
over other transports also
L126[02:13:15] <payonel> xarses: i summon
thee
L127[02:13:22] <Izaya> for example,
UDP
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L129[02:14:14] <xarses> try again in 8ish
hours
L130[02:14:30] <xarses> was about to go to
bed
L131[02:15:53] <payonel> ok ok
L132[02:15:55] <payonel> quick
question
L133[02:16:15] <payonel> i'm fixing/adding
support for bundled redstone signal changes
L134[02:16:33] <payonel> 1. do i spam more
signals, adding a color value as a new (last) value
L135[02:16:33] <payonel> or
L136[02:16:51] <payonel> 2. pass a table
of which colors changed values as a new last value
L137[02:16:55] <payonel> i think #2 is
ugly
L138[02:17:02] <payonel> but 1 might be
too many signals to handle?
L139[02:17:44] <payonel> :(
L140[02:17:47] <payonel> i think i missed
him
L141[02:18:12] *
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<Kodos> 2
would be easier to use to store 'old' configurations
L146[03:40:32]
<Kiritow> In
component.debug.getWorld().getMetadata()
L147[03:40:44]
<Kiritow>
why this function return string?
L148[03:41:14]
<Kiritow>
And in component.debug.getWorld().setBlock(...), the argument
#5(metadata) requires a number type
L149[03:43:13] <Kodos> World metadata and
block metadata aren't the same thing
L150[03:43:26] <Kodos> ~oc debug
L152[03:43:31] <Kodos> ~oc debug
card
L154[03:45:15]
<Kiritow> so
how can i get the blockmetadata...
L155[03:45:47]
<Kiritow>
not `getMetadata(x:number, y:number, z:number):number` ?
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<Kiritow>
and this function `setBlock(x:number, y:number, z:number, id:number
or string, meta:number):number`
L158[03:46:48] <Kodos> Is there not a
getBlock function
L159[03:46:50]
<Kiritow>
the meta param requires number type
L160[03:47:26]
<Kiritow>
This? `getBlockId(x:number, y:number, z:number):number`
L161[03:47:37] <Kodos> Let's try
this
L162[03:47:41] <Kodos> What are you trying
to do
L163[03:48:28]
<Kiritow>
implement something like worldedit
L164[03:48:40]
<Kiritow>
copy building across internet
L165[03:48:45]
<Kiritow>
and paste in another client
L166[03:50:35] <Kodos> Okay, so to get a
block's metadata, you'd need to use getMetadata in the world
object
L167[03:50:41] <Kodos> And feed it the 3
coordinates
L168[03:51:07] <Kodos> It should be
returning a number
L169[03:52:05] <Kodos> What I would do, is
write a function to take 3 coordinates, and have it return the
block ID, some sort of local coordinates relative to the point of
origin for saving a build, along with the block's metadata
L170[03:52:18]
<Kiritow> My
code is `t.meta=debugcard.getWorld().getMetadata(x,y,z)`
L171[03:52:36]
<Kiritow> I
have called it with parameters.
L172[03:52:45] <Kodos> Assuming it
errored?
L174[03:54:21]
<Kiritow> I
think it has no error... but the `PasteArea` does not work
L175[04:03:48] <fingercomp> I think this
is fixed in OC 1.7.2
L176[04:03:53] <fingercomp> try updating
the mod
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<Kiritow>
Thanks!
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<Kiritow>
everything works fine in 1.7.2
L181[04:31:52]
<Kiritow> I
will check updates next time QwQ
L182[04:34:59]
<Kiritow>
emm... a small question
L183[04:35:15]
<Kiritow>
why tire1 wireless card is upgrade but not card?
L184[04:35:47]
<Kiritow>
it's id is `opencomputers:upgrade`
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L186[05:33:01] <Inari> payonel: Haha. Yeah
the only real way to implement the GUI thing is to probably make
special code for each UI. And then you might as well just make code
for it to be a OC component anyway
L187[05:33:22] <Inari> AmandaC: A 4?
L188[05:52:45]
<Lizzian>
Just a heads up: doing a quick up-grade of the forums because
there's a security patch included
L189[05:56:06]
<Lizzian>
and done
L190[05:56:31]
<Forecaster>
what, no massive failures?! how anti-climactic D:
L191[05:56:34]
<Forecaster>
%shell
L192[05:56:34] *
MichiBot loads a roper into a shell and fires it. It strikes
Sangar. They take 8 damage. scj643 and LordFokas stood too close
and take 1 and 5 splash damage respectively.
L193[05:58:06]
<Lizzian>
@Forecaster nope, my work stole them today
L194[05:58:24]
<Lizzian>
the UPS that powers our phone system got a phantom error
today
L195[05:59:06]
<Forecaster>
ohmy
L199[06:15:30] <Inari> courtesy of
Skye
L200[06:15:31] <Inari> :p
L201[06:15:41] <Skye> Eek
L202[06:15:58]
<Forecaster>
I'd love that, but I doubt it'd actually be very useful
L203[06:16:02]
<Forecaster>
also probably expensive
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<Lizzian>
Good news everyone! You can now sign up / sign in to the OC Forums
with Twitter!
L208[06:40:34] <Inari> Oh I see
L209[06:40:35] <Inari> :p
L210[06:40:44] <Inari> I thougth it was
somehow connected to the other tell xD
L211[06:40:49] <Inari> AmandaC: Which
series?
L212[06:44:22] <AmandaC> Inari: kokkoku
and the outsider s2
L213[06:50:57] <Inari> vifino: Ew,
chopping wood
L214[06:55:10] <vifino> Inari: pls.
L215[06:55:15] <Inari> :p
L216[06:56:21] <vifino> i am fit, there is
a nice axe and lots of wood, what else am I going to do? Up until
yesterday I had no internet. Now I have 0.69 down/0.1 up.
L217[06:56:43] <Inari> How can you have no
net though
L218[06:56:58] <vifino> i am in the middle
of nowhere.
L219[06:57:03] <Skye> Whew
L220[06:57:11] <Skye> You're living
Izaya's ideal
L221[06:57:16] <vifino> there is no
cellular connectivity, either.
L222[06:57:20] <Skye> Living in the woods
with no Internet
L223[06:57:58] <vifino> meh.
L224[06:58:04] <vifino> it's cold.
L225[06:58:10] <Inari> But why would
you!
L226[06:58:32] <vifino> i am in my own
huge home here, 8 rooms or so
L227[06:58:39] <vifino> but no
heating.
L228[06:58:48] <Inari> Sounds like a bad
home if it neither has heating nor internet xD
L229[06:59:20] <vifino> it's in
renovations, which is part of why i am here
L230[06:59:33] <Inari> I see :p
L231[06:59:46] <vifino> the guy who lived
here died.
L232[07:00:23] <Inari> :<
L233[07:00:33] <Inari> So you bought
it?
L234[07:00:53] <vifino> just to give you a
sense of remoteness: takes like an hour to get to the supermarket,
or anywhere
L235[07:01:04] <vifino> not me, my mom and
her boyfriend.
L236[07:01:07] <Inari> Thats kind of nice
in a way, if it had good heating and such :D
L237[07:01:12] <vifino> i might move here
though.
L238[07:01:13] <Inari> Though I wouldn't
really want to live there
L239[07:01:24] <vifino> Inari: ftth
soon
L240[07:01:25] <Inari> I like policea nd
medical services getting to me a bit quicker than that
L241[07:01:34] <Inari> ftth?
L242[07:01:36] <vifino> 500 down/200
up
L243[07:01:41] <vifino> fiber to the
home
L244[07:01:45] <Inari> I see
L245[07:02:05] <vifino> see, it's really
remote, but there is fiber everywherw
L246[07:02:19] <Inari> Weird
L247[07:02:50] <vifino> there is also high
power electricity here
L248[07:03:01] <vifino> so i could run a
server farm as heating :3
L249[07:05:11] <Arcan> you would need to
cool it during the summer?
L250[07:05:25] <vifino> i also got a small
b&w crt and an ibm thinkpad t42p
L251[07:05:35] <vifino> not from the dead
guy, he's dead.
L252[07:06:02] *
Inari is bored
L253[07:06:20] <vifino> play
something/with yourself
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L255[07:06:36] <Inari> LEwd
L256[07:06:45] <vifino> maybe.
L257[07:06:46] <Inari> Yeah, but I can't
think of something to play that seems fun :P
L258[07:07:13] <vifino> playing games is a
luxury i can't afford.
L259[07:08:50] <vifino> i guess i'll just
write a bit more here before chopping more.
L260[07:09:00] <vifino> it's almost
fun.
L261[07:09:50] <Inari> vifino learning hte
Harvest Moon life
L262[07:10:21] <vifino> more like the
"I need to think about things" life.
L263[07:12:11] <vifino> yay, feelings.
yay, having to move somewhere and the only easy choice would be
this place, but it's like 1:30h away from Frankfurt and I still
wanna attend the local hackerspace. not like there is one here.
;/
L264[07:12:44] <vifino> yay, grandpa
having had to go through emergency surgery.
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L266[07:14:33] <vifino> cancer's not
fun.
L267[07:14:44] <vifino> Inari: entertain
me ;v
L268[07:15:49] <Izaya> vifino: so no games
I guess
L269[07:16:49] <Inari> vifino: Why
"have to move"
L270[07:17:24] <Inari> I'd kind of like to
move, but no money :<
L271[07:17:34] <vifino> Izaya: not really,
i only have what i have downloaded: xonotic, factorio, oxygen not
included
L272[07:18:03] <vifino> Inari: because i
don't have enough money to stay in frankfurt, really.
L273[07:18:10] <Inari> :<
L274[07:18:28] <vifino> not in the flat i
am in anyways.
L275[07:18:47] <vifino> since i have lots
of things, i need lots of space too.
L276[07:19:01] <vifino> kinda limits me in
my options.
L277[07:19:41] <vifino> but hey, if you
wanna move to the Mosel, this house is big. xD
L278[07:20:25] <Inari> Haha, I've been
there once. Can't say I recall it as nice :P But doesn't sound
great for where I need to go and such anyway
L280[07:20:51] <vifino> i'm probably going
to want someone living with me, sharing the bills n shit.
L281[07:20:58] <vifino> but blehhh.
L282[07:21:35] <Izaya> vifino: tempting,
but cold
L283[07:21:35] <Inari> Yeah, that would be
my only option with my current budget :P But I'm shy, and can't be
bothered finding room mates that work well with me and such
L284[07:22:06] <vifino> my ex obviously
isn't an option anymore and i hate people in general.
L285[07:22:09] <Arcan> but if they're nice
you can hug them ^=^
L286[07:22:20] <vifino> so bleh.
L287[07:22:21] <Inari> Didn't even know
you have an ex :p
L288[07:22:49] <vifino> i usually don't
share such things.
L289[07:23:04] <vifino> Izaya: not with my
servers
L290[07:23:12] <Izaya> but like
L291[07:23:12] <vifino> it'll be 30
degrees inside
L292[07:23:13] <Izaya> outside
L293[07:23:23] <Izaya> 30c is much nicer
than like
L294[07:23:25] <Izaya> -30
L295[07:23:29] <vifino> who needs the
outside when you have fiber?
L296[07:23:30] <Inari> Just carry the
servers around with you
L297[07:24:05] <vifino> Izaya: it's not
-30 here, ever...
L298[07:24:13] <Izaya> -3 then
L299[07:24:23] <Izaya> anything below 20
is too cold
L300[07:24:31] <vifino> weakling.
L301[07:24:37] <Arcan> Izaya: move to
florida with me then
L302[07:24:49] <Izaya> Arcan: but the US
is too hostile
L303[07:24:55] <vifino> ever showered in
icewater, Izaya?
L304[07:25:03] <vifino> that's cold.
L305[07:25:09] <vifino> especially with
salt.
L306[07:25:10] <Izaya>
really?
L307[07:25:15] <vifino> yeah.
L308[07:26:20] <vifino> Inari: but hey,
you're not sharing much either, don't complain xD
L309[07:26:51] <Inari> :p
L310[07:26:54] <vifino> Izaya: actually,
do you have telegram?
L311[07:27:01] <vifino> @vifino iz I
L312[07:27:05] <Izaya> I do not
L313[07:27:13] <Izaya> I have SMS, IRC,
XMPP and email
L314[07:27:20] <vifino> l
L315[07:27:32] <vifino> lame, yay, eh and
laaaaame
L316[07:27:48] <Izaya> after careful
consideration, I still don't want to bother setting up GNU Social
or Mastodon here so
L317[07:27:51] <Izaya> maybe next
year
L318[07:28:03] <vifino> telegram is so
handy. stickers are great.
L319[07:28:21] <Izaya> is it free as in
freedum
L320[07:28:44] <Izaya> including
server
L321[07:28:54] <vifino> if you don't look
too closely, sure
L322[07:29:17] *
Izaya squints and leans in
L323[07:29:19] <Izaya> ...
L324[07:29:24] <Izaya>
ABSOLUTELY
PROPRIETARY
L325[07:30:08] <vifino> come on Inari,
give it a try.
L326[07:30:17] <vifino> Izaya* same
thimg
L327[07:30:33] <vifino> don't judge, i'm
on my phone.
L328[07:30:39] <Inari> Give what a
try
L329[07:30:40] <Izaya> so am I
L330[07:30:53] <vifino> Inari:
telegram.
L331[07:31:08] <Izaya> that reminds me I
need to go check up on dino and coy.im
L332[07:31:13] <Inari> I'll guess you
mistabbed
L333[07:31:13] <Inari> :D
L334[07:31:22] <vifino> correct.
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L336[07:31:44] <vifino> check out telegram
anyhow. @vifino, message me~
L337[07:31:51] <vifino> kek
L338[07:32:09] <Inari> CAn I sign up for
Telegram without a phone number yet?
L339[07:32:16] <vifino> yup
L340[07:32:51] <Inari> Neat. But I'd need
more of a usecase for it xD
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L343[07:33:00] <Izaya> I have XMPP
already
L344[07:33:04] <Izaya> I don't need XMPP
with stickers
L345[07:33:04] <vifino> well no, you need
one, but you only need it once
L346[07:33:13] <Inari> Then
"nah"
L347[07:33:13] <vifino> Izaya: you are
wrong.
L348[07:33:21] <AmandaC> Inari: Unlimited*
kitty pictures with my bot @KittiesBot
L349[07:33:39] <vifino> oh shit does that
actually exist?!
L350[07:33:45] <vifino> OMG
L351[07:33:55] <Inari> Too bad vif's DL
speed is bust
L352[07:34:10] <Izaya> vifino: how
so?
L353[07:34:15] <Izaya> Are you saying I do
need stickers?
L354[07:34:20] <vifino> yes.
L355[07:34:26] <Izaya> What if I told
you
L356[07:34:28] <Izaya> I do have
stickers
L357[07:34:34] <Izaya> it's just that
they're for floppy disks
L358[07:34:51] <asie> why would the server
b eing open or closed source matter, if it's still
centralized?
L359[07:34:55] <asie> you can't know if
it's running the same code
L360[07:35:17] <asie> the client is FLOSS
but sometimes slightly out of date relative to upstream
L361[07:35:17] <Izaya> asie: you're not
wrong, but I'd prefer it anyway
L362[07:35:38] <Izaya> because then I
could set up my own server and fuck with it anyway
L363[07:36:27] <vifino> Inari: hmm? what
perverted thing do you want me to dl? xD
L364[07:36:44] <Inari> AmandaC's
kittypics
L365[07:36:57] <Izaya>
that couldn't be
misinterpreted
L366[07:37:01] <vifino> that works, only
takes 30 seconds per image
L367[07:37:08] <Inari> :p
L368[07:37:14] <Inari> You could play
Kamidori though~
L369[07:37:28] <Arcan> good morning
^=^
L370[07:37:29] <vifino> ... do i wanna
google that?
L371[07:37:43] <Inari> No, cause
spoilers
L373[07:38:07] <Arcan> wikipedia says it's
an `eroge` whatever that means
L374[07:38:17] <Izaya> What do you think
it means?
L375[07:38:29] <Arcan> something
lewd
L376[07:38:32] <vifino> does it have a
happy ending?
L377[07:38:42] <Inari> No clue, not at the
end yet
L378[07:38:43] <vifino> wait nvm, it's an
eroge, it does.
L379[07:38:59] <Izaya> not all eroge have
happy endings
L380[07:39:27] <vifino> <i didn't mean
how it ends>
L381[07:39:39] <Inari> ?.?
L382[07:40:00] <vifino> Inari: oh come
on
L383[07:40:00] <AmandaC> Hrm, seems I
broke the telegram API tracing in @KittiesBot -- but I'm willing to
bet a non-trivial amount of that 30s is me uploading the image to
telegram, vifino
L384[07:40:12] <vifino> i see
L385[07:40:14] <Izaya> that's usually not
the ending
L386[07:40:22] <Izaya> that reminds me I
was going to watch some person of interest
L387[07:40:36] <AmandaC> Telegram is a bit
unclear about how long it keeps images cached, so I can't just use
an old image upload ID easily
L388[07:40:39] <Izaya> not an eroge but
it's media and all I've consumed recently is increasingly
depressing amounts of ARK
L389[07:40:40] <vifino> Inari: a /happy
ending/, wink wink, nudge nudge?
L390[07:40:47] <Inari> s/watch/stalk
L391[07:40:47] <MichiBot> <Izaya>
that reminds me I was going to stalk some person of interest
L392[07:40:59] <Izaya> Inari: it's a TV
show
L393[07:41:09] <Inari> vifino: But why
would it be an ending
L394[07:41:16] <vifino> private audience?
filthy.
L396[07:41:48] <vifino> Inari: ... do i
have to spell it out for you of all people?
L397[07:41:56] <vifino> <_<
L399[07:42:35] <Inari> Is duckduckgo good
yet?
L400[07:42:42] <Arcan> Inari: good enough
to be usable
L402[07:42:47] <Izaya> it works
L403[07:42:51] <Izaya> images are
mediocre
L404[07:42:56] <Izaya> but it generally
knows what I want to find
L405[07:43:00] <Arcan> Izaya: IMO only the
first season of that show was any good
L406[07:43:03] <Izaya> YMMV
L407[07:43:05] <Inari> Last I tried it was
more annoying than google at least
L408[07:43:15] <Inari> But that was a
couple years ago
L409[07:43:28] <Izaya> I don't often
search for things
L410[07:43:30] <Arcan> i use advanced
search operators to find what i want, which makes it better
L411[07:43:53] <Izaya> tbh most of my
browsing is either 4chan, 8chan or lainchan
L412[07:44:27] <Izaya> I really should get
a proper client for those
L413[07:46:33] *
Arcan sighs at Izaya
L414[07:46:45] <Izaya> ???
L416[07:48:02] <Izaya> Arcan: what?
L417[07:48:50] <Arcan> nothing
L418[07:48:54] <Arcan> sorry
L419[07:49:02] <vifino> Izaya: did you get
that I have an IBM thinkpad now? :3
L420[07:49:12] <Izaya> a T42 is a good
machine
L421[07:49:12] <Inari> Not everyone is
enarmored with the -chans :p
L422[07:49:13] <vifino> IBM Thinkpad
T42p
L423[07:49:21] <Izaya> what is p
again
L424[07:49:30] <vifino> portable,
irc..
L425[07:49:37] <Izaya> Inari: every form
of social media is equally cancerous
L426[07:49:39] <Inari> 1080portable
L427[07:49:41] <Izaya> oh so is that like
the -s now?
L428[07:49:52] <vifino> i have no
clue
L429[07:49:53] <Inari> Izaya: Some just
more so than others
L430[07:50:00] <Izaya> nah
L431[07:50:05] <Inari> %shrug
L432[07:50:05] <MichiBot> Inari: No you
shrug!
L433[07:50:05] <vifino> it's usually just
a refined version.
L434[07:50:11] <Inari> CAn't say I do much
social media
L435[07:50:24]
<Forecaster>
I use DDG for the convenient ! shortcuts
L437[07:50:33]
<Forecaster>
but I almost always use !g or !gi
L438[07:50:37]
<Forecaster>
for searches
L439[07:50:41] <Izaya> pfft
L440[07:50:41] <Inari> Heh
L441[07:50:54] <vifino> i use shell
scripts for that *shrug*
L442[07:50:54] <Izaya> the !s are v.
convenient
L443[07:51:02] <Izaya> I use !w a
lot
L444[07:51:06] <Inari> !shortcuts should
be a browser feature
L445[07:51:13] <Izaya> some browsers have
them
L446[07:51:16]
<Forecaster>
the search results from DDG's own engine tend to be.... not very
useful
L447[07:51:18] <Inari> I know
L448[07:51:18] <AmandaC> They kinda are,
at least in chrome
L449[07:51:22] <Izaya> just not chrome,
notchrome, or internet explorer
L450[07:51:29] <vifino> super-s: open a
search query window
L451[07:51:53] <vifino> does math and
everything.
L452[07:52:00] <vifino> am smurt.
L453[07:52:01] <AmandaC> If I type
myani<tab> I get a search box that searches myanimelist, same
for some other sites that use the search xml thing
L454[07:52:19] <Izaya> oh that's
convenient
L455[07:52:31] <Izaya> FF has that in the
search box but you have to click and that's obnoxious
L456[07:52:47] <Inari> If I type
exh<tab> I get a serach ox that searched exhentai.. oh
wait
L458[07:53:18] <Izaya> tfw 600X is still
kill
L459[07:54:37] <Inari> Yeah firefox can do
the shortcut thing
L461[07:55:04] <Izaya> huh
L462[07:55:22] <Izaya> there you go
L463[07:55:38] *
Izaya defined a bunch in Luakit but they've since fucked up a bunch
of stuff in a most obnoxious way
L464[08:04:19] <vifino> oh shit the
thinkpad boots xp
L465[08:05:36]
<Forecaster>
Apparently this webcomic author doesn't like being corrected, and
thinks that deserves capital punishment
http://tinyurl.com/ybw2s3bw
L466[08:08:25] <Izaya> Guess he has
some...
L467[08:08:27] <Izaya> Eissues.
L468[08:08:40]
<Forecaster>
hah
L469[08:09:08] <Arcan> on a side
note
L470[08:09:14]
<Forecaster>
I just removed the comic from my feed
L471[08:09:21]
<Forecaster>
I didn't really care much about it anyway
L472[08:09:24] <Arcan> how come
microcontrollers can't actually control other things (except like,
redstone)
L473[08:09:57] <Izaya> because
L474[08:09:57]
<Forecaster>
because they're supposed to be limited I guess
L475[08:10:02] <AmandaC> Arcan: because
something about making them have a distinct usecase vs just placing
a case
L476[08:10:02] <Izaya> their ability to
control is micro
L477[08:10:04] <Izaya> hence the
name
L478[08:11:09] <AmandaC> %choose code or
no
L479[08:11:09] <MichiBot> AmandaC:
code
L480[08:11:17] <AmandaC> %choose server or
client
L481[08:11:18] <MichiBot> AmandaC:
server
L482[08:11:21] <AmandaC> Hrm. Nah
L483[08:13:11]
<Forecaster>
%choose to be or not to be
L484[08:13:11] <MichiBot> Forecaster: not
to be
L485[08:13:15]
<Forecaster>
damn
L486[08:13:20] <AmandaC> RIP
Forecaster
L487[08:13:33] <Corded> *
<Forecaster> siezes to exist
L488[08:13:39] <Izaya> ceases*
L489[08:14:26]
<Forecaster>
yes
L490[08:14:47] <Corded> *
<Forecaster> seizes existence
L491[08:15:28] *
AmandaC seizes the means of existence
L492[08:16:14] <vifino> Izaya: i just
noticwd
L493[08:16:28] <vifino> the thinkpad t42p
series does not have a windows key
L494[08:16:41] <vifino> boy o boy
L495[08:16:49] <Izaya> indeed
L496[08:16:54] <Izaya> nor does the
600X
L497[08:17:08] <Arcan> i like more keys,
even if the OS doesn't use them
L498[08:17:16] <Arcan> i can rebind them
to whatever i want in games
L499[08:25:31] <vifino> ugh, usb doesn't
work.
L500[08:25:51] <vifino> wifi doesn't seem
to be a working thing, either.
L502[08:26:22] <vifino> 60gb hdd, dvd
drive, gross as fuck
L503[08:26:28] <vifino> mehhhhh
L504[08:27:14] <vifino> Izaya: you should
play xon with me
L505[08:28:03] <Izaya> strip the coating
and replace it
L506[08:28:29] <vifino> the display is
damaged too.
L507[08:28:37] <Izaya> oh.
L508[08:29:03] <vifino> it smells like
it's been in a forrest for a year
L509[08:29:18] <vifino> which probably
isn't far off.
L510[08:29:30] <vifino> so, play xon with
me, Izaya!
L511[08:30:34] <vifino> i'll try to be on
exe.pub, like usually
L512[08:30:41] ⇦
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seconds)
L513[08:31:41] <Izaya> I can probably
manage a game before bed
L514[08:31:56] <Izaya> First, some
alcohol, so I can blame that for me being terrible.
L515[08:34:52] <vifino> hey man, i am on a
worse connection than you
L516[08:35:03] <vifino> i need my
soberness
L518[08:38:41] <Arcan> how is 4cdn not
blocked by the firewall here ;-;
L519[08:38:52] <Arcan> it makes no
sense...
L520[08:42:21] <vifino> Izaya: well for
someone who basically has three hands, that's awesome
L521[08:50:46] <Inari> Someone needs to
make a good god game
L522[08:50:53] <Inari> Since Godus kinda
died after losing its way
L523[08:54:34]
<Forecaster>
what's a "good" god game?
L524[08:55:09] ⇦
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seconds)
L525[08:56:28] <AmandaC> Godus before it
lost it's way, DUH!
L526[08:56:38] <Temia> :/
L527[08:56:59] *
AmandaC meows hello to Temia
L528[08:57:10] <Temia> Forecaster, you
know what the "to be or not to be" skit was about,
right?
L529[08:58:06] ***
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L531[08:59:41] <WOPRNITE> okay installed
wocchat on my OC tablet
L532[09:00:00] <WOPRNITE> now I can annoy
real programmers from anywhere in MC
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L534[09:00:16] *
Temia sighs and curls up hugging Amanda close
L535[09:01:24] <Temia> People joking about
suicide, that's precisely what I needed to wake up to, yep
._.
L536[09:01:48]
<Forecaster>
I've never read or studied Hamlet no
L537[09:02:12] <Temia> Yeah, that whole
thing was Hamlet contemplating suicide
L538[09:02:17]
<Forecaster>
ah
L539[09:02:27]
<Dominance>
@Sangar looking over scavenge, if a block has a max number of uses,
like lets say 5. does the block itself change in meta data or
something to account for that? if for instance someone scavenged 4
times then silk touched it and replaced. would it still only have
one use left?
L540[09:04:22] <Temia> When he poses the
question, he means it in the most literal way possible, whether to
continue existing or end it all.
L541[09:04:45] <Arcan> oy spoilers
/s
L542[09:04:58] <Temia> It's fucking
HAMLET
L543[09:05:21] <Temia> Statute of spoilers
has been over for hundreds of years
L544[09:05:24] <Arcan> did you not notice
the '/s'
L545[09:05:30] <Arcan> i was trying to be
funny
L546[09:05:34] <Temia> I'm not.
L547[09:05:58] *
Arcan feels bad now
L548[09:06:11] <Temia> I'm always serious
as a fucking heart attack when the subject's about suicide
L549[09:07:04] <Arcan> i didn't make a
suicide joke, those are in very poor taste
L550[09:07:19] <Temia> Yeah, you get a
pass there at least
L551[09:07:35] <Temia> I'm just not in the
mood for jokes since someone else did
L552[09:08:08] <Temia> I'm going to go
make breakfast and try to get my mind off this
L553[09:08:29] <Temia> Sorry for lashing
out, Arcan
L554[09:08:44] <Arcan> it's ok
L555[09:10:18] *
vifino offers his new axe and half meter wide chunks of wood to
Temia
L556[09:13:50] <Inari> Forecaster: One
that isn't Godus
L557[09:16:46] <Inari> I feel like if we
treated suicide as Trantor does we'd have less issues with the
topic (I'm also not a big fan of the topic :P Though it can be nice
to discuss in a purely detached way)
L558[09:19:06] <Temia> Yeah, uh
L559[09:19:27] <Temia> good fucking luck
for those who've lost friends to it.
L560[09:20:32] <Inari> Yeah, it's a
sensitive topic
L561[09:20:39] <Inari> Though making it a
taboo to talk about wouldn't help it
L562[09:21:02] <Corded> * <Lizzian>
makes Inari a taboo topic
L563[09:21:31] <Inari> You're upping me
lewdness rating are you
L564[09:21:57]
<Lizzian> i
thought that was already near-max?
L565[09:21:58] <Izaya> only by 1
L566[09:22:27] <Inari> I can't really deal
well with suicide stuff in RL or when it comes up in anime ro such
though, which is why I said "In a detached way"
L567[09:23:47] <Inari> Lizzy: Which max?
MAX_INT?
L568[09:23:58]
<Lizzian> if
you want
L569[09:27:16] *
Arcan changes the data type of Inari's lewdness from INT to
LONG
L570[09:27:38] <Arcan> and tbh it's
probably ULONG
L571[09:28:00] *
Izaya squints
L572[09:28:14] <Arcan> unsigned
long?
L573[09:28:28] <Inari> But yeah, on
Trantor suicide isn't a taboo topic, and its just generally
accepted that someone may decide to not want to live any longer.
There are even institutions that let you meet your end in a
dignified way and that make it a nice thing for you. So you'd be
encouraged to use those instead of just doing something unnice. The
catch is that you have to go to a therapist first
L574[09:29:43] <Temia> Yeah, see
L575[09:30:02] <Temia> That just hammers
the point home that the friends I lost were unable to get therapy
for a multitude of reasons
L576[09:30:12] <Inari> Well yeah
L577[09:30:14] <Inari> Thats somethign we
should fix
L578[09:32:42] <Temia> Perhaps, but until
it is (and honestly, I doubt it could be fixed without killing a
LOT of people at the top, whether in private or public works, but
that's a discussion for elsewhere), I'm still losing people dear to
me.
L579[09:34:58] <Inari> Yeah
L580[09:35:09] <Inari> Personally I don't
understand suicide anyway ^^"
L581[09:35:11] <Temia> So, yeah, bit of a
sensitive subject and not one I'd like to see referenced so
lightheartedly.
L582[09:35:15] <Temia> Mm.
L583[09:35:33] <Inari> I'm more on the
side of "I wanna live forever" :D
L584[09:37:14] <Temia> Yeah.
L585[09:40:00] <Arcan> i want to snug
forever myself
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L587[09:43:45] <Inari> You'd think wanting
to live forever would be a fairly standard thing. But you haven't
met the bunch of pessimists my friends are then :P "But
everyone you know would die and such!"
L588[09:45:47] <Arcan> then i'll find more
people to snug
L589[09:46:11] <Izaya> I'd get bored,
eventually.
L590[09:46:16] <Inari> That was my point.
Sure it sucks, but you'll meet new people, and you'll get over
periods of grief
L591[09:46:16] <Arcan> if i knew i was
immortal i'd probably go around helping people out, because that's
what makes me happy
L592[09:46:32] <Inari> "But what
kinda monsterw ould that make you!"
L593[09:46:54] <Inari> Izaya: Eh, I'm
bored either way
L594[09:46:59] <Izaya> tbh if I were
immortal I'd try to explore space
L595[09:47:11] <Arcan> Izaya: a dragon,
hopefully :3
L596[09:47:24] <Izaya> wrong
tab-complete
L597[09:47:31] <Arcan> sorry
L598[09:47:35] <Inari> If I knew I had a
looooooooooooong lifetime, I'd also do stuff like, find a nice
fresh volcano, settle by it, see how it cools and how nature
spreads through the cooled caldera~
L599[09:47:46] <Izaya> That'd be pretty
cool.
L600[09:48:21] <Inari> (That is, assuming
space travel exists that can get me to a planet like that
reasonably fast :D)
L601[09:49:04]
<chrapacz2000> hello there tech ppl
L602[09:49:10] <Inari> %hi
L603[09:49:13] <Inari> %hello
L604[09:49:13] <MichiBot> Inari: Hello!
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L605[09:50:04]
<chrapacz2000> any one know how to use
Pendrive as Hard drive?
L606[09:50:12]
<KommandGamer> I need to learn lua
L607[09:50:21]
<chrapacz2000> i found old PC from 2003 and
it had no HDD
L608[09:50:34] <Izaya> basically,
L609[09:50:36] <Izaya> plug it in
L610[09:50:44] <Izaya> :D
L611[09:50:52]
<chrapacz2000> no ni
L612[09:50:54]
<chrapacz2000> no no [Edited]
L613[09:50:56] <Izaya> then you can boot
up a loonix CD and install onto the flash drive
L614[09:51:03]
<chrapacz2000> oh ok
L615[09:51:04] <Izaya> run the OS from
there
L616[09:51:15]
<chrapacz2000> cause i have a puppy linux
on the pendrive
L617[09:51:40] <Izaya> you'll probably
have to convince the BIOS to boot from the flash drive though
L618[09:51:45] <Arcan> if the flash drive
is bootable you should be able to just select the flashdrive from
the boot options menu
L619[09:52:22]
<chrapacz2000> yeah but it won't boot from
USB no idea why i made used Live-USB
L620[09:52:37]
<chrapacz2000> the computer is Dell
optiplex 740
L621[09:52:48] <Izaya> So you configured
the system to boot from the flash drive?
L622[09:53:30] <Izaya> alternatively
L623[09:53:40] <Izaya> burn a PLOP CD and
use that to boot from the flash drive
L624[09:54:01]
<chrapacz2000> i will try on DVD-R
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L628[10:16:27] <Izaya> obligatory Thank
Haruhi for Jim Sterling.
L629[10:23:32] <asie> ._.
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L633[10:35:43] <MichiBot>
[ NEW HERO ]
Jetpack Cat Origin Story | Overwatch | length:
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L634[10:48:48] <payonel> xarses:
awake?
L636[10:51:09]
<Forecaster>
heh
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L638[10:52:07]
zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L639[10:52:56] <AmandaC> A PC from 2003 is
a crapshoot on if it'd even support usb booting
L640[10:54:36] <ben_mkiv> reminds me of my
p3 dual system, which was pretty dope xD
L641[10:56:16] <Izaya> P4 boxes usually
do, P3 not so much
L642[10:56:37] <ben_mkiv> i've got a p3
mobile next to me
L643[11:02:07] <ben_mkiv> random fact...
intel dropped p4 stuff and core duo is based on pentium m (pentium
3 mobile)
L644[11:03:53] <Izaya> Aye
L645[11:04:06] <Izaya> Netbust was a miss
steak
L646[11:30:32] <xarses_> payonel: bundled
redstone...
L647[11:30:45] <payonel> aye
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L654[12:30:27] <MichiBot>
Why European
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L657[12:34:43] <S3> So I was trying to
show somebody what the Apple II aged Oregon trail looked like
L658[12:34:57] <S3> I typed in Apple II
Oregon Trail into google and one of the first images was
this:
L661[12:48:27] <S3> those yours payonel
?
L662[12:51:48] <payonel> no :)
L663[12:51:56] <payonel> i'll upload one
of mine in a bit
L665[12:55:18] <Inari> Haha, nice
shot
L666[13:00:11] <S3> ahahahaha
L667[13:00:15] <Vexatos> >not uploaded
cat box to catbox.moe
L668[13:00:53] <Vexatos> payonel, why are
you still using slack ,_, stop using ancient outdated software and
just use IRC for everything :I
L669[13:01:03] <payonel> work
L670[13:01:12] <payonel> i posted that to
work, shared it here
L671[13:01:24] <Vexatos> your work seems
really serious
L672[13:01:36] <payonel> of course we have
a #cats channel
L673[13:01:47] <Vexatos> Do you have a
#boxes channel
L674[13:02:04] <payonel> haha no
L675[13:06:36] <S3> #catsinboxes
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L677[13:08:14] <Vexatos> S3, I prefer
#catsinoneboxeach
L679[13:11:57]
<Forecaster>
@Lizzian that's neat
L680[13:12:04]
<Forecaster>
though I don't own any analog clocks
L681[13:13:31] <Vexatos> any electric
clock not connected to radio works that way
L682[13:14:30]
<Forecaster>
even battery powered ones?
L684[13:15:14] <MichiBot>
Sony Digital
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L685[13:16:06] <Vexatos> quartz clocks
don't, no
L686[13:32:33]
<Forecaster>
I remember handling a floppy disk camera...
L687[13:57:55] <S3> those were nice
L688[13:58:06] <S3> many of them couldonly
harness 15s of video
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L690[14:43:03]
<Chaz> Hiya
o/ I'm taking a poke at the 1.7.2 update, I'm loving this so far,
haha. I'm playing about with T1 wireless network cards now, I like
these
L691[14:46:48]
<Chaz> Also,
question - How would I program a bios to read a wireless message? I
get the feeling event.pull is an OpenOS-only thing, so I'm a bit
confused
L692[14:47:46]
<Forecaster>
maybe through what event.pull does ;)
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L694[14:48:17]
<Chaz> True,
I'll take a look and see what that does, haha.
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L696[14:51:53]
<Chaz> Aha,
I'd be able to use computer.pullSignal for a bios, yeah. I'll see
what I can manage with that, thanks for the tip! o/
L697[14:53:34] <payonel> @Chaz glad you're
happy with 1.7.2 so far - please feel free to ask any questions you
have here
L698[14:53:53] <payonel> a few of us here
are pretty happy to help out
L699[14:59:46] <payonel> @Chaz the return
values of event.pull are the same as computer.pullSignal
L700[15:00:05] <payonel> event.pull adds
some conveniences like timeouts and filtering
L701[15:00:28]
<Chaz> Ahh,
righto!
L702[15:00:39] <payonel> i take that back
--
L703[15:00:45] <payonel>
computer.pullSignal also has the timeout field
L704[15:01:22] <payonel> fyi, if you
coroutine.yield from the init level (i.e. the root coroutine of
your machine), it'll block UNTIL there is an event
L705[15:01:23] <AmandaC> %choose new or
feels train
L706[15:01:23] <MichiBot> AmandaC:
new
L707[15:01:37] <payonel> Izaya:
right?
L708[15:03:07] <Vexatos> >do Rietveld
refinement
L709[15:03:10] <Vexatos> >400 new
files
L710[15:03:13] <Vexatos> thanks game
L711[15:03:42] <Vexatos> seafile no like
uploading 400 new files :I
L712[15:03:45] <payonel> @Chaz and the
return from coroutine.yield() would be the same
L713[15:09:00]
<Chaz> Hmm,
alright. This is maybe a bit trickier than I anticipated but I'll
figure it out eventually! Basically I'm trying to get a smaller
system with a T1 wireless modem (Such as a drone or a
microcontroller, something that doesn't have access to the event
library) to read signals sent from my tablet (I'm experimenting
with the Creative tablet which has a T2 wireless right now)
L715[15:23:35]
<Chaz> Ah,
sweet! Thank you :D
L717[15:24:24] <payonel> that definition
of the `modem_message` explains the values you get from a
`modem_message` signal
L718[15:24:56] <payonel> it is also
helpful to run `dmesg` in openos to consider details in
signals
L719[15:31:13]
<Chaz> Hm,
bumping into syntax errors while testing this out, but I'll figure
out what's going wrong, haha
L720[15:32:54] <payonel> oh i forgot to
declare handle_message as a function
L721[15:33:03] <payonel> local function
handle_message(...) end
L722[15:33:13] <payonel> sorry, i didnt
test it :)
L723[15:33:20]
<Chaz> Haha,
no worries o/
L724[15:33:44] <Izaya> \o
L726[15:34:26]
<Forecaster>
floof!
L728[15:34:51] <payonel> Inari: that isn't
real
L729[15:34:54] <payonel> that can't be
real
L730[15:35:41] <AmandaC> Inari: I
L731[15:35:45] <AmandaC> Inari: I'm
innocent!
L732[15:35:52] *
AmandaC hides her stash of stolen gloves
L733[15:36:20]
<Forecaster>
payonel: why?
L735[15:36:29] <payonel> it's too
fluffy
L736[15:36:41] <Inari> payonel: of course
it isn't real
L737[15:36:45] <Inari> They stapled floof
to the dog
L738[15:37:13] <AmandaC> payonel: I'm sure
there are doggos that floofy
L739[15:37:45] <AmandaC> Given the fact
the husky I had growing up could somehow generate more fur than
should be possible to come off him during shedding season,
anyway
L740[15:38:03] <Vexatos> Inari, floof
truly is a staple on dogs
L741[15:38:14] <Inari> %golfclap
L742[15:38:23] <AmandaC> You could safely
walk up and pinch, pull, and not hurt him at all during the
shedding seasons
L743[15:38:38] <Inari> TIL AmandaC grew up
with a dog
L744[15:38:52] <AmandaC> Inari: Two of
them! ( At different times )
L745[15:39:30] <AmandaC> The husky was
about 13-14 when we had to put him down due to arthritis
L746[15:39:53] <Inari> :<
L747[15:40:26] <AmandaC> A few onths later
we got a little beagle, I forget how old he was when we got him,
but we had to put him down too 5-6 years later.
L748[15:40:35] <AmandaC> Dad hath declared
no more pets, though
L749[15:41:37] <AmandaC> The husky's name
was Thor, and the beagle was Nicky
L750[15:41:57]
<Forecaster>
did it have an eyepatch?
L751[15:42:10] <AmandaC> That's Odin,
@Forecaster
L752[15:42:14] <Vexatos> it certainly was
rather empty inside
L753[15:42:16] <AmandaC> Odin is missing
an eye
L754[15:42:22] <Vexatos> Why else would
one call it husky
L755[15:42:51] <Vexatos> or maybe all the
fur is the husk, and there was never any dog underneath D:
L757[15:43:04] <AmandaC> Oh
L758[15:43:18] <AmandaC> I thought you
were referring to Thor
L759[15:43:19] <Vexatos> I mean Odin
donated his eye to a good cause
L760[15:43:22] <Vexatos> spying on his
neighbors
L762[15:44:58]
<Chaz> Note
to self, testing wireless modems would work better if I actually
place a wireless modem in the computer. I forgot I'd put in a
regular network card just to test some other stuff
L763[15:45:04]
<Chaz> Don't
I feel like a doofus, haha
L764[15:45:17]
<Forecaster>
don't worry, everyone's a doofus
L765[15:45:22] <Vexatos> except me
L766[15:45:25] <Vexatos> D:
L767[15:45:30]
<Forecaster>
no no
L768[15:45:31]
<Forecaster>
everyone
L769[15:45:33] <Vexatos> im
tehsmrtst
L770[15:45:34] <AmandaC> Vexatos is a
mega-doofus
L771[15:45:36]
<Forecaster>
some are just better at hiding it
L772[15:46:01] <Vexatos> AmandaC, in Gen
VII you have the Alolan doofus
L773[15:46:55] <AmandaC> Vexatos: But I
don't have brightly coloured fur patches. D:
L774[15:47:02] <AmandaC> I guess I'm a
nocturnal species
L775[15:51:34]
<Chaz>
Nocturnal Doofus
L776[15:51:40]
<Chaz> (That
sounds about right for me actually)
L777[15:52:13] <Vexatos> Am I virtual
doofus
L778[15:52:20]
<Chaz> Okay,
so I can see the computer's receiving my modem messages, I just
need to figure out this last part and then test it out
L779[15:53:34]
<Chaz>
Basically I want to say "If the message sent to this modem
matches this keyword, do a thing"
L780[15:54:13] <Izaya> payonel: I may be
doing it wrong but a decent part of the motivation for having
minitel on embedded devices is so I can use them to route
messages
L781[15:54:31] <payonel> Izaya: i dont
think you're doing it wrong
L782[15:54:33]
<Chaz> I've
at least managed to confirm that the computer is receiving and
unpacking the signal by making it beep when it receives a signal
from my tablet. \o/
L783[15:54:45] *
payonel beeps
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L785[15:57:13]
<Chaz> This
might be a good point for me to at least test the program as is and
make sure it's working as I want it to, though, haha
L786[16:02:03]
<Chaz>
Attempt to call a nil value (global 'require'). Interesting
L787[16:02:26]
<Chaz> (I am
way too used to using OpenOS, haha)
L788[16:03:47]
<Chaz> Ah
right, it's because I was trying to call various values while
testing the program on my computer before flashing it to a
BIOS
L789[16:04:32] <Izaya> You can write it to
/tmp and set the boot address to /tmp
L790[16:04:56] <Izaya> Like copy your
EEPROM code to /tmp/init.lua
L791[16:05:25] <Izaya> Then
computer.setBootAddress(computer.tmpAddress())
computer.shutdown(true)
L792[16:06:00]
<Chaz>
Alright
L794[16:10:21] <Skye> Izaya, please tell
me that's real
L795[16:13:25] <AmandaC> %choose computer
or no
L796[16:13:25] <MichiBot> AmandaC:
computer
L797[16:13:28] <AmandaC> no
L798[16:14:36]
<Chaz> Bit
of trial and error but I got it to work! long story short the BIOS
doesn't need me to 'require' libraries like computer and component,
looks like. I now have a microcontroller that beeps when I send a
signal via tablet
L799[16:14:44]
<Chaz> Which
is about halfway to what I wanted, haha
L800[16:15:23] <payonel> @Chaz openos puts
all system api behind the "library" packaging
L801[16:15:44] <payonel> the core lua api
are the ONLY things in _G in openos
L802[16:16:07] <payonel> io, print,
require, coroutine, math, table, string, etc
L803[16:17:03] <payonel> component and
computer HAVE to be available to _G at the bios level because there
is no other api to talk to the metal of your machine
L804[16:17:14] <payonel> technically, we
could have put component behind computer as well
L805[16:17:18] <Vexatos>
s/metal/scala/
L806[16:17:18] <MichiBot> <payonel>
component and computer HAVE to be available to _G at the bios level
because there is no other api to talk to the scala of your
machine
L807[16:17:24] <payonel> something like
computer.getComponentApi
L808[16:17:29] <payonel> but, that
wouldn't add much to the experience
L809[16:17:46] <payonel> Vexatos: you're
breaking the 4th wall
L810[16:18:07] <Vexatos> there is no
fourth wall I didn't draw any quad there
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L813[16:32:12] <Izaya> ~w custom os
L815[16:32:21]
<Chaz> Hah,
nice. Surprisingly the change I made to my program to make it
respond to a specific signal actually worked first try without any
issue
L816[16:40:57]
<Chaz> So
I've gone from a box that goes beep to a box that makes things go
boom. I'm sure there's other potential uses (Possibly as a home
light controller now that I think about it)
L817[16:41:04]
<Chaz> I
just like using explosions to motivate my learning
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L821[18:02:06]
<MGR> I'm
sure in Canada those amounts are 12-18 meters ?
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L830[19:41:46] <S3> also in some parts of
canada it literally never snows because it is too cold
L831[19:43:01] <S3> MGR 12-14" isn't
really all that much anyways
L832[19:43:12] <S3> it's a good ammount,
but we've had much worse
L833[19:43:27] <S3> though this year we're
getting a lot of days with snowfall
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L835[20:08:06]
<Kiritow>
How to change the behavior or shell while tab is pressed.
L836[20:08:15]
<Kiritow>
How to change the behavior of shell while tab is pressed.
[Edited]
L837[20:09:21]
<Kiritow>
Just like git on Linux, input `git pul` and press tab, the command
will be replaced with `git pull`
L838[20:11:25] <CompanionCube> look at the
shell code for completion?
L840[20:13:59]
<Kiritow>
yes, shell code completion
L841[20:14:46]
<Kiritow>
What should I do ...?
L842[20:19:32] <S3> I don't like
that
L843[20:19:42] <S3> because then if I have
two files namred git and pul something
L844[20:19:48] <S3> and I want to tab
complete them..
L845[20:21:17]
<Kiritow>
em...
L846[20:21:30] <Izaya> >:D 30%
minification
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L849[20:48:23] <AmandaC> @Kiritow aiui the
open os shell is hard coded to use file names, or command names if
at the start.
L850[20:48:33] <Izaya> oppm pls
L851[20:48:41] <Izaya> this is valid
lua
L852[20:48:41] <AmandaC> %choose active or
passivr
L853[20:48:41] <MichiBot> AmandaC:
passivr
L854[20:48:47]
<Kiritow>
okay, thanks...
L855[20:48:59] <AmandaC> Hrm... Nah, l
play more ok my 3ds
L856[20:49:59] <AmandaC> I should
proofread sometime... Nah
L857[20:50:22] *
AmandaC cuddles back up, plays more Fantasy Life
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L860[20:58:04] <ben_mkiv|afk> anyone got a
lua script to plant a forest?
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L864[21:00:49] <payonel> what the crap is
an ender storage frequency?
L865[21:05:43] <Mimiru> I'd assume the
color code used in Ender Storage to key chests together?
L866[21:06:50] <payonel> i suppose they
could mean that
L867[21:06:56] <payonel> worst word for
that possible
L868[21:07:01] <Izaya> >:D
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L870[21:07:36] <Izaya> currently running
fget while routing over microcontrollers
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L872[21:18:12] <payonel> Mimiru: if i do
allow changing the ender storage color ... should i allow it
without any new upgrade? without requiring materials (the
dyes)?
L873[21:26:14] <Mimiru> I... have no
idea.
L874[21:27:34] <payonel> the answer is
no
L875[21:27:40] <payonel> because that'd
require more work
L876[21:27:42] <payonel> :)
L877[21:28:00] <payonel> err...'yes'
L878[21:28:03] <payonel> my question was
in the negative
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L880[21:31:42]
<Kodos> I
should work on my firewall uC code
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L882[21:48:54] <GCMC> Hello!
L883[21:50:08] <Izaya> o/
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<Kodos>
o/
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L887[21:57:38] <ben_mkiv|afk> payonel will
that be an oc feature?
L888[21:58:14] <ben_mkiv|afk> require a
ink cartridge maybe?!
L889[21:58:24] <ben_mkiv|afk> in a
adapter
L890[21:58:28] <ben_mkiv|afk> next to a
enderchest :>
L891[22:04:02]
<Kodos>
We're breaking EnderStorage compat now?
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L894[22:05:37] <MichiBot>
Title:
[Suggestion] Allow frequency change of EnderStorage private ender
chest / tank
| Posted by: aquilon74
| Posted: Mon Mar
12 18:47:41 CDT 2018
| Status: open
L895[22:08:40]
<Kodos>
There's a reason they're called public and private channels
L896[22:08:54]
<Kodos> If
someone doesn't want their shit potentially probed and or stolen
from, they should use a private ender chest
L897[22:14:42] <ben_mkiv|afk> yea but does
it affect frequency?
L898[22:16:07] <payonel> @kodos i'm not
going to break any compat - it was a feature request
L899[22:17:18]
<Kodos>
Ehhh, still though. Private is private for a reason
L900[22:17:47]
<Kodos>
There's no way to prevent slapping down a microcontroller
programmed to empty all 4096 frequencies' worth of items on a
private container
L901[22:18:40]
<Kodos>
Like, how would the computer even know who's private network to
use
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L904[22:33:15]
<Brisingr
Aerowing> How about that it only works if the placer of the
adapter / MC / etc and the owner of the chest are the same. If they
aren't, any API method return an access error.
L905[22:41:39]
<Kodos>
That'd probably be easier than anything
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L907[23:15:07] <payonel> @kodos i'm not
intersted in giving a robot access to a private chest - even with
knowing who placed the robot. it opens a exploit to use private
chests if an attacker is able to use someone else's robot
L908[23:15:13] <payonel> but, changing
color? sure --
L909[23:15:19] <payonel> unless private
chest colors are user-locked
L910[23:15:20] <payonel> are they?
L911[23:15:33] <Kodos> The colors are the
channels, basically
L912[23:15:49] <Kodos> Right now, you can
change the colors on a public chest, not sure how it handles a
chest being private
L913[23:16:20] <Kodos> But you have more
than just robots to worry about. Transposers and such
L914[23:16:56] <Kodos> I guess changing
colors wouldn't change much other than being able to be generally
annoying by changing the colors of someone's ender chest on their
automation setup
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L916[23:19:17] <payonel> i know what the
colors are, and right, my only interest in supporting the feature
request is to modify those colors
L917[23:19:22] <payonel> not private chest
access
L918[23:19:55] <payonel> and so, if
private chest colors are protected in some way, i won't subvert
that
L919[23:20:28] <Kodos> I don't think they
are. Basically if a chest is 'private', when you open it, you'd be
accessing YOUR private inventory on that channel
L920[23:20:39] <Kodos> So yeah, just
modifying the colors via computer is fine
L921[23:20:53] <Kodos> But something like
transposers shouldn't be able to access inventory if they're
private
L922[23:21:36] <Kodos> I'm not sure how
they are handled now, either
L923[23:27:58] <payonel> you poke my pride
telling me how ender storage works :)
L924[23:28:09] <payonel> i should be more
humble
L925[23:30:43] <Kodos> Lol I mostly just
explain things for the sake of doing so
L926[23:30:51] <Kodos> I never presume to
know whether or not someone knows how something works
L927[23:31:10] <ben_mkiv|afk> dont remove
transposer access to private enderchests^^
L928[23:31:17] <ben_mkiv|afk> that breaks
my workflow :>
L929[23:31:30] <Izaya> every change breaks
someone's workflow
L930[23:31:51] <Kodos> Ben, they can
already access private storage?
L931[23:31:57] <ben_mkiv|afk> yes
L932[23:32:02] ***
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L933[23:32:02] <Kodos> How does it know
whose storage to access?
L935[23:33:33] <ben_mkiv> so they can
share their inventory
L936[23:33:44] <Kodos> I still want to
know
L937[23:33:46] <ben_mkiv> but well, theres
still rftools remote storage
L938[23:33:56] <Kodos> How does it know to
use your inventory, instead of someone else's
L939[23:34:15] <ben_mkiv> guess its a
tileentity which stores the private id in nbt
L940[23:34:50] <payonel> i'm not CHANGING
anything >_>
L941[23:34:55] <Kodos> Right, but if I
walk up to those chests and open them, does it start using my
inventory?
L942[23:35:00] <payonel> i may ADD support
for something
L943[23:35:02] <Kodos> payonel, I
know
L944[23:35:05] <ben_mkiv> no kodos
L945[23:35:09] <Kodos> I'm on a completely
different tangent now
L946[23:35:12] <ben_mkiv> it uses the
inventory of the person which locked the chest
L947[23:35:20] <ben_mkiv> even if you mine
the chest it keeps the owner
L948[23:35:38] <payonel> Kodos: the agent
know who placed it
L949[23:35:51] <payonel> in our OC code,
that is
L950[23:35:59] <payonel> we use an agent
to interface with things, and the agent has an owner
L951[23:36:15] <Kodos> Right, so that goes
back to my original question
L952[23:36:30] <Kodos> If that's the case,
could I just use a microcontroller with a transposer to empty all
4096 channels on your private network?
L954[23:36:43] <ben_mkiv> that seems to be
the class which handles ownership
L955[23:36:50] <ben_mkiv> if you are
interested @kodos
L956[23:37:21] <payonel> what i didn't
know previously is if we were using the agent owner for interacting
with private ender chests
L957[23:37:31] <payonel> seems, according
to ben_mkiv's testimony, that we are
L958[23:37:44] <Kodos> Right, so then
that's a yes to my question, from what I understand
L959[23:37:54] <payonel> anyways, i'm fine
adding the ability to change the colors, but reluctant to do so if
color change requires using the agent owner
L960[23:38:19] <Kodos> I think it should
only 'work' if the agent owner and the computer user are the same
person
L961[23:38:27] <ben_mkiv> no payonel
L962[23:38:31] <ben_mkiv> the owner doesnt
matter
L963[23:38:37] <ben_mkiv> imho
L964[23:39:17]
<Nightmare>
the last time i used ender chests, when putting a diamond on the
chest it marked the chest as owned by the person who put the
diamond on it, Anybody that opened it was opening the chest owned
by the user who added the diamond
L965[23:39:31] <payonel> oh so they aren't
locked?
L966[23:39:34] <ben_mkiv> well if you get
hands on a enderchest that has another one, one could empty them
all by changing the colors
L967[23:39:35] <Kodos> Right, so that
means my scenario works
L968[23:39:38] <ben_mkiv> but thats also
possible by hand
L969[23:39:54] <payonel> huh, i always
assumed private chests were, you know, private
L970[23:40:03] <ben_mkiv> but you can give
them away
L971[23:40:04] <payonel> there goes my
pride out the window
L972[23:40:13]
<Nightmare>
they are private in the sense of someone can't make a chest that
accesses your stuff
L973[23:40:19] <ben_mkiv> the chest stores
who made it private
L974[23:40:33] <ben_mkiv> if you make it
private and give it to kodos, kodos has access to your stuff
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L976[23:40:41] <payonel> this is a very
different meaning of private :)
L977[23:40:43] <ben_mkiv> he could also
change colors of that chest to check all colorcodes
L978[23:40:56] <ben_mkiv> well, if you
give the key to your house away...
L979[23:41:00] <ben_mkiv> its the same
scenario
L980[23:41:04]
<Nightmare>
ender chests are only private in the sense of someone can't make a
chest and have your stuff in it
L981[23:41:12] <ben_mkiv> right^
L982[23:41:14] <payonel> we are not
arguing
L983[23:41:19] <payonel> i'm saying that
is a different meaning
L984[23:41:45] <ben_mkiv> yea, it doesnt
behave like people could expect
L985[23:41:58] <payonel> i, for one, being
one of those people
L986[23:42:05] <payonel> i never
tested/investigated the meaning
L987[23:42:10] <ben_mkiv> but i wouldnt
care about the owner for oc integration
L988[23:42:21] <ben_mkiv> thats up to
ender storage
L989[23:42:21] <payonel> saw the feature a
long time ago, and always assumed it made them private like vanilla
private
L990[23:42:35]
<Nightmare>
vanilla ender chests but with colors
L991[23:42:40] <payonel> ben_mkiv: unless
ender storage starts using vanilla-private :)
L992[23:42:59] <ben_mkiv> i like it how it
is
L993[23:43:08] <ben_mkiv> you can make
private channels between friends on big servers
L994[23:43:10]
<Nightmare>
that makes piping in and out of the chests difficult
L995[23:43:21] <payonel> not up to
me
L996[23:43:21]
<Nightmare>
if you do it the vanilla way that is
L997[23:43:30] <ben_mkiv> and just dont
give the chest away if you dont want anyone else to get
access
L998[23:43:48] <payonel> SO anyways
L999[23:43:51] <payonel> that makes it
simple for me
L1000[23:44:31] <ben_mkiv> but i wonder
why people want to change colors
L1001[23:44:38] <ben_mkiv> maybe as
delivery system or such?!
L1002[23:45:15]
<Nightmare> player is at delivery point
blue, red, red and so the main storage sends items via enderchest
that has colors changed
L1003[23:46:06] <Kodos> Slightly related,
but I think when the call to change colors 'works', it should
return true along with the old frequency
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L1005[23:49:20] <ben_mkiv> or miningrobot
which has one enderchest to dump inventory to different processing
places
L1006[23:50:42] <payonel> Kodos: thanks,
i like the feedback
L1007[23:50:59] <payonel> can i use an
array of colors?
L1008[23:51:03] <payonel> seems cleaner
that 3 colors
L1009[23:51:16] <Kodos> Current way is
0-4095
L1010[23:51:26] <payonel> current?
L1011[23:51:26] <ben_mkiv> int color like
redstone?!
L1012[23:51:36] <payonel> we have a
method of reading the color code?
L1013[23:51:38] <Kodos> YEs, you can
change colors on non-private chests already
L1014[23:51:44] <payonel> haha
L1015[23:51:48] <payonel> YAY
L1016[23:51:49] <ben_mkiv> xD
L1017[23:51:57] <payonel> i still hold
the title of knowing the most AND least about the mod
L1018[23:52:01] <Kodos> That's why the
issue mentions private specifically
L1019[23:52:14] <payonel> then i'm not
changing anything about the api
L1020[23:52:24] <payonel> i'll just look
into accessing private ones
L1021[23:56:15] <Kodos> Actually, I guess
I can't use a microcontroller to empty a chest
L1022[23:56:21] <Kodos> Well, not an
ender chest, anyway
L1023[23:57:55] <ben_mkiv> but if someone
added a check if they are private that was probably on
purpose
L1024[23:58:02] <ben_mkiv> maybe make it
a config option if that aint to much work