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L14[02:42:11] <Forecaster> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4ntqPucjlM
L15[02:42:11] <MichiBot> Wolf Begs to Play with Older Brother | length: 50s | Likes: 152 Dislikes: 0 Views: 809 | by nywolforg | Published On 13/3/2018
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L19[04:02:10] <Kiritow> I got `error converting entry 'items': invalid key to 'next'` when calling `component.debug.getWorld().setTileNBT(x,y,z,nbt)`. The `nbt` value is queried from `component.debug.getWorld().getTileNBT(x,y,z)`. How to fix it?
L20[04:07:12] <fingercomp> switch the processor architecture to Lua 5.2
L21[04:07:31] <fingercomp> setTileNBT doesn't work on Lua 5.3 for some reason
L22[04:08:41] <Kiritow> ok
L23[04:22:57] <Kiritow> Thanks. `setTileNBT` works fine now.
L24[04:28:39] <asie> setTileNBT doesn't work on Lua 5.3? Weird.
L25[04:28:41] <asie> Is this reported?
L26[04:28:58] <Kiritow> got `nil unknown error` when calling `component.debug.getWorld().setBlock(x,y,z,component.debug.getWorld().getBlockState(x,y,z),component.debug.getWorld().getMetadata(x,y,z))`
L27[04:28:58] <Kiritow> The block is MFE from IC2 at x,y,z
L28[04:28:58] <Kiritow> Is it an error?
L29[04:31:26] <Kiritow> And `component.debug.getWorld().setBlock(x,y,z,component.debug.getWorld().getBlockId(x,y,z),component.debug.getWorld().getMetadata(x,y,z))` replace the MFE block at x,y,z with a texture-missing block.
L30[04:31:38] <fingercomp> asie: https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/issues/2448
L31[04:31:38] <MichiBot> Title: Lua 5.3 Debug Card NBT-Editing Error | Posted by: J0SLAN | Posted: Sun Jul 02 12:27:38 CDT 2017 | Status: open
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L37[05:52:55] zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L38[05:53:01] <Inari> %pet Vexatos
L39[05:53:01] * MichiBot pets Vexatos with a fresh pair of kneesocks. Vexatos recovers 1 health!
L40[05:53:28] <Vexatos> Gross.
L41[05:54:15] <Inari> :D
L42[05:54:21] <Inari> Kneesocks are great
L43[05:54:26] <Inari> And it's not even a dirty pair
L44[05:54:26] <Inari> :<
L45[05:58:15] <Vexatos> I hate socks longer than up to my ankles ,_,
L46[05:58:28] <Inari> But they feel good and are pretty :(
L47[06:04:10] <Izaya> how good they are depends on the person
L48[06:06:02] <Inari> Izaya: Nah
L49[06:08:14] <Vexatos> I don't like warm clothes >_<
L50[06:08:24] <Inari> :<
L51[06:08:46] <Inari> data:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wCEAAkGBxMSEhUSExMVFRUXFRgYGBYYGBgWGBsXGBgYFxgaGRgYHSgiGBolIBoWITEhJSkrLi4uFx8zODMtNygtLisBCgoKDg0OGhAQGi0lHyItMjItLS0tLS0tLTAvLSsrMC0tLS0tLS0tLS8tKy0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLf/AABEIAOEA4QMBIgACEQEDEQH/xAAcAAAABwEBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQIDBAUGBwj/xABJEAABAwIEAwYDBQQIAwcFAAABAAIRAyEEEjFBBVFhBhMicYGRMqGxQlLB0fAUFXLhByMzYpKy0vEkU5MWVHOCoqPTFzRDlML/xAAaA
L52[06:08:49] <Inari> pls
L53[06:08:53] <Inari> https://www.latestbuy.com.au/wp-content/uploads/mank-350c.jpg ?
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L55[07:01:47] <TheFox> What the...
L56[07:01:57] <TheFox> Ok, disadvantage to discord
L57[07:02:09] <KommandGamer> How do I learn lua so I can program
L58[07:02:36] <Forecaster> read things
L59[07:02:39] <Forecaster> :P
L60[07:02:46] <KommandGamer> XD
L61[07:03:13] <TheFox> https://www.lua.org/
L62[07:04:02] <TheFox> The all seeing webform
L63[07:04:59] <Forecaster> yeah, I would have been quite happy not seeing that image...
L64[07:05:24] <MGR> Same
L65[07:05:38] <TheFox> At work, college or in general.
L66[07:05:43] <TheFox> Lol
L67[07:06:51] <MGR> I would have been quite happy having that image not existing in the first place
L68[07:18:36] <Forecaster> thankfully it's been removed now, so that's nice :D
L69[07:18:45] <MGR> ?
L70[07:22:04] <MGR> https://notalwaysright.com/even-iron-man-cant-get-done/106766/
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L72[07:26:34] <cpp> hi
L73[07:26:41] <MGR> Hello
L74[07:28:30] <cpp> No one thought about decorating the cables? As in AE or EnderIO
L75[07:29:28] <Mimiru> cables support... one of the micropart mods on most versions iirc.
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L77[07:32:23] <cpp> Mimiru:
L78[07:32:25] <cpp> so it's not interesting.
L79[07:33:06] <Kodos> What's 'interesting' to you then
L80[07:33:13] <Mimiru> Mkaaaaaaay
L81[07:33:15] <Kodos> You can already color them and cover them
L82[07:33:38] <Mimiru> plain cables are pretty too.
L83[07:35:55] <cpp> Corded: Look at the decoration of the cables in Ender IO.
L84[07:36:16] <MGR> Corded is the bridge bot ?
L85[07:36:22] <Mimiru> I'm not even going to bother explaining Corded to you
L86[07:36:32] <Mimiru> I feel the concept would either go over your head, or just blow your mind.
L87[07:36:33] <MGR> Kodos is the person speaking earlier, and Major General Relativity is the person speaking now
L88[07:37:05] <cpp> Mimiru: xD
L89[07:37:31] <Cruor> corded is a insanely advanced split personality AI
L90[07:37:48] <Cruor> the personality currently in charge shows up at the start of the message
L91[07:38:02] <MGR> Indeed
L92[07:38:11] <MGR> AI researchers are not sure how Corded became so smart
L93[07:38:33] <MGR> Mimiru says she only used the "import all" option, and Corded naturally arose as the result
L94[07:38:41] <cpp> Where does the bridge go?
L95[07:38:48] <MGR> To the Discord Master Race
L96[07:39:14] <Cruor> to AI singularity
L97[07:39:16] <Arcan> irc > discord :P
L98[07:39:25] <MGR> @Cruor *nods*
L99[07:39:31] <MGR> Discord > IRC
L100[07:39:43] <Izaya> Discord <> IRC
L101[07:39:46] <Cruor> ^
L102[07:40:09] <MGR> Heh
L103[07:40:13] <Izaya> Thank Haruhi we don't actually use that as the inequality operator any more.
L104[07:41:31] <Cruor> but its completely intuitive
L105[07:41:48] <Cruor> ... totally
L106[07:42:06] <Izaya> Better than bash, I guess.
L107[07:43:27] <cpp> Minecraft > Discord > Telegram > Facebook > Irc
L108[07:43:43] <MGR> That is an interesting arrangement
L109[07:44:22] * Izaya squints
L110[07:44:28] <cpp> you need to go through all 5 circles of chat
L111[07:44:49] <MGR> Wait, those aren't comparison operators, they're describing bridges?
L112[07:45:22] <cpp> 1
L113[07:48:16] <cpp> When do you plan on 1.7.3? At least approximately.
L114[07:48:25] <Mimiru> Eventually
L115[07:49:04] <MGR> Sometime before the year 3 hundred trillion
L116[07:49:10] <Kodos> When it's finished, not a moment before
L117[07:50:40] <Izaya> maybe soon
L118[07:50:49] <Izaya> Maybe not soon
L119[07:50:55] <Izaya> Future is uncertain
L120[07:51:13] <Mimiru> %8ball will 1.7.3 be released soon?
L121[07:51:13] <MichiBot> Mimiru: Outlook not so good
L122[07:51:17] <Mimiru> oooh, sorry
L123[07:51:18] <Mimiru> seems not.
L124[07:51:50] <Izaya> payonel: you have to call it beta 1.7.3
L125[07:53:21] <cpp> If I implement the feature that is marked in the issues, will you add it in 1.7.3?
L126[08:01:58] <Skye> %p
L127[08:02:10] <MichiBot> Ping reply from Skye 12.77s
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L129[08:02:27] <Mimiru> impressive
L130[08:02:54] <Skye> Mimiru, this is 4G
L131[08:03:00] <Skye> LTE
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L133[08:06:42] <Ristelle> Eurgh
L134[08:06:50] <Ristelle> I hate the aspect Ratio of OC
L135[08:06:55] <Ristelle> 160 to 50
L136[08:06:56] <Ristelle> like
L137[08:06:59] <Ristelle> nani?
L138[08:07:58] <MGR> ?
L139[08:08:03] <Skye> @Ristelle, it's the aspect ratio of old serial terminals
L140[08:08:18] <Skye> 80 columns, 25 rows.
L141[08:08:32] <Ristelle> ah
L142[08:08:48] <Ristelle> I wished we have a faster GPU >_>
L143[08:09:03] <Skye> It can play video
L144[08:09:08] <Ristelle> Can
L145[08:09:09] <Skye> ask asie and GreaseMonkey
L146[08:09:18] <Ristelle> I've seen ICE2
L147[08:09:28] <Ristelle> in action on BTM Moon
L148[08:15:49] <Kodos> Went to my doctor, he told me not to eat anything fatty. I asked if I could at least have sugar, and he says "no fatty, don't eat anything."
L149[08:16:40] <Ristelle> ?
L150[08:16:42] <Ristelle> Rude
L151[08:23:28] <Forecaster> Amanda: what have you been up to now https://twitter.com/jzx100v2/status/972401550134947840
L152[08:24:50] <AmandaC> @Forecaster nothing! I'm just out for a nice hunt!
L153[08:39:39] <Forecaster> I thought we told you not to hunt the power lines D:
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L155[08:39:55] <asie> also
L156[08:40:02] <asie> you can change the aspect ratio
L157[08:40:15] <asie> anything between 160x50 and 50x160 works
L158[08:40:27] <asie> as long as it has up to 160*50 chars
L159[08:40:36] <asie> it is not documented behaviour thougj
L160[08:40:41] <asie> though*
L161[08:46:57] <Ristelle> I see
L162[08:47:16] <Ristelle> Well I managed to convert a test video into OC Palette and Resolution
L163[08:47:20] <Ristelle> https://i.imgur.com/VmRIlZz.gifv
L164[08:47:25] <Ristelle> https://imgur.com/VmRIlZz [Edited]
L165[08:50:36] <Ristelle> With the current encoding, it can encode a 1080p video stream at 30fps into OC palette.
L166[08:50:49] <Ristelle> Its highly portable. being a gif that is
L167[09:13:42] * Inari puts a little cloth ring with frills on Temia's tail :3
L168[09:13:52] <Temia> o-o
L169[09:13:56] * Temia tailflicks.
L170[09:14:17] <Inari> like that one http://tinyurl.com/y8k4pl36
L171[09:14:50] <Temia> Why am I worried you're trying to get me to dress up as a maid?
L172[09:15:02] <Inari> Haha
L173[09:15:07] <Inari> Nah~
L174[09:17:36] <S3> https://imgur.com/a/0ZMtE
L175[09:17:36] <Inari> Temia: Thouhg I bet a chocola outfit would look cute on you :P
L176[09:17:52] <Inari> S3: "Ye" was never actually used by the way :o
L177[09:18:12] <S3> Inari: it was a joke program my friend wrote in VB class like 10 years ago
L178[09:18:13] <Temia> Oh? <.<
L179[09:19:17] <Inari> Temia: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/nekopara/images/3/3c/Ch_cho_img_02.png/revision/latest?cb=20150312042230
L180[09:19:37] <Inari> omg
L181[09:19:37] <S3> Inari: well actually...
L182[09:19:43] <S3> iirc it was an early modern word
L183[09:19:43] <Inari> Shigure in Neko maid ou tfit is too cute
L184[09:19:49] <S3> not a mideval era word like people make it to be
L185[09:19:58] <S3> 1700s
L186[09:20:23] <S3> and iirc it wasn't used in every day language or speech either
L187[09:20:44] <Temia> ...
L188[09:20:48] <Temia> T-that is pretty cute.
L189[09:20:55] <S3> its not really a word
L190[09:21:14] <Inari> Temia: How about that https://img00.deviantart.net/65be/i/2018/001/5/9/shigure_neko_maid_by_princessjeannette18-dbyk69i.jpg
L191[09:21:20] <S3> you guys and your japaneese maid outfits
L192[09:21:25] <Temia> Dammit Inari you are trying to get me into a maid outfit aren't you
L193[09:21:30] <Inari> Haha
L194[09:21:36] <Temia> And the worst thing is I think it's working
L195[09:21:36] <Inari> I mean, I'm not against them
L196[09:21:36] <Inari> :D
L197[09:21:45] <Izaya> why fight it?
L198[09:21:51] <Inari> Though theres one thing I dislike about that outfits
L199[09:21:54] <Inari> *outfit
L200[09:22:13] <Inari> Lets fix that
L201[09:22:26] <Inari> Well two things
L202[09:22:41] <Corded> * <Lizzian> wants to get some cute outfits to wear
L203[09:25:17] <Mimiru> Me too.. :(
L204[09:25:48] <Lizzian> @Mimiru one day we will!
L205[09:31:24] <Inari> #1 I don't like the skin above boobs part ? http://tinyurl.com/y8mj6vyw
L206[09:32:32] <Skye> I am planning to get a cute outfit...
L207[09:36:58] <Temia> Yeah I think I'd go with Chocola's outfit personally <.<
L208[09:37:05] <Temia> Also I want cute stuff too :<
L209[09:48:59] <Lizzian> @Mimiru one day we will both be in cute outfits and having fun
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L212[09:56:02] <Inari> LEwd
L213[09:57:05] <Lizzian> ffs inari. I wouldn't be having that kind of fun with Mimiru. That's Naomi's job
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L215[09:57:35] <Inari> :p
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L221[10:00:44] <Arcan> meep
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L226[10:03:33] <Inari> #2 the bottom apron thing should be wider
L227[10:03:37] <Inari> Though I suck at editing
L228[10:03:42] <Inari> http://tinyurl.com/y7ujsp9y
L229[10:04:19] <Skye> Pay Vic to draw it for you. :P
L230[10:04:46] <Inari> Nah
L231[10:08:10] <Inari> Also since Shigure isn't a catgirl, she surely has a lewd cat tail there
L232[10:09:10] <Skye> ...o.o
L233[10:21:03] <Inari> Talking of cute outfits
L234[10:21:04] <Inari> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYKy323VAAMCz0v.jpg:large
L235[10:21:36] <Inari> Lizzy found my kind of unused keybase account I see
L236[10:27:27] <Lizzian> lol
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L238[10:42:23] <Arcan> what is keybase?
L239[10:42:52] <Forecaster> https://keybase.io/
L240[10:43:21] <Vexatos> I use my keybase account to sign github commits!
L241[10:43:25] <Vexatos> ...and that's it
L242[10:43:59] <Forecaster> I have a number of verified accounts in it, and my website
L243[10:44:14] <Arcan> thx forecaster
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L246[10:50:42] <Vexatos> It also has a kind of chat :^)
L247[10:52:01] <Vexatos> rather, hijacking other means of communication
L248[10:52:07] <Vexatos> https://keybase.io/docs/extension
L249[10:55:06] <Forecaster> seize them!
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L251[11:10:55] <Inari> Hm I want something like Photoshop but cheaper/free :D
L252[11:11:35] <Ristelle> paint.net?
L253[11:11:58] <Ristelle> https://www.getpaint.net
L254[11:12:15] <Inari> Got that, lacks many things though
L255[11:12:18] <Ristelle> there are a heck ton of plugins
L256[11:12:35] <Ristelle> you could basically recreate PS in paint.net
L257[11:12:49] <Ristelle> check out the plugins
L258[11:12:51] <Inari> Like layer groups, more layer options, layer overlay types, etc
L259[11:13:10] <Forecaster> there's also a ton of line options
L260[11:13:14] <Forecaster> :P
L261[11:13:19] <Forecaster> online options*
L262[11:13:21] <Inari> Also lacks a pen tool
L263[11:13:22] <Ristelle> true
L264[11:13:30] <Ristelle> pencil*
L265[11:13:35] <Ristelle> or brush
L266[11:13:36] <Inari> pen
L267[11:13:38] <Forecaster> I prefer Photoshop though
L268[11:13:40] <Inari> Draw bezier lines
L269[11:13:40] <Ristelle> oh
L270[11:13:43] <Inari> Edit them afterwards
L271[11:13:48] <Ristelle> Curves
L272[11:13:51] <Ristelle> curves tool
L273[11:14:16] <Inari> If you want to call it that. Paint.net's curve stuff only has 4 points on the curve and you can't edit them after the fact
L274[11:14:25] <Inari> Forecaster: Photoshop is too expensive
L275[11:14:42] <Ristelle> PainttoolSAI?
L276[11:14:57] <Forecaster> for me it was free until I started paying for it :P
L277[11:15:04] <Ristelle> Paint Tool SAI*
L278[11:15:11] <Forecaster> cause I wanted to have the latest version
L279[11:15:32] <Inari> Sai lacks a pen tool too last I checked? At least it had a nicer smudge and such than Paint.net had
L280[11:15:42] <Inari> Forecaster: Yeah, just isn't worth 37 a month
L281[11:15:54] <Inari> And the cracked onesa ll sounds sketchy :P
L282[11:16:05] <Ristelle> They arent
L283[11:16:15] <Ristelle> Though I do not encourage piracy
L284[11:16:24] <Ristelle> Like at all
L285[11:16:56] <Arcan> even if you already own a legitamite copy, Ristelle?
L286[11:16:59] <Ristelle> Still if you insist on cracked stuff I *can* give a few sites to find from.
L287[11:17:06] <Arcan> i'm curious because opinions vary on that topic
L288[11:17:29] <Ristelle> What do you mean Arcan?
L289[11:17:42] <Inari> Well if cracked ssoftware says things like "Don't run other Adobe software while using this" it sounds like a pain already XD
L290[11:18:05] <Ristelle> Your getting the wrong type of cracks Inari XD
L291[11:18:19] <Inari> %shrug
L292[11:18:19] <MichiBot> Inari: No you shrug!
L293[11:18:23] <Inari> Just what I found on piratebay
L294[11:18:28] <Arcan> Ristelle: say i buy a game on steam, and i want to put it on a flash drive and take it with me
L295[11:18:35] <Inari> Even though ideally I'd want to avoid torrenting anyway
L296[11:18:36] <Arcan> but the game has DRM that ties it to steam
L297[11:18:43] <Ristelle> Thats okay
L298[11:18:44] <Arcan> i already own the game
L299[11:18:50] <Ristelle> as long as you own it
L300[11:18:51] <Inari> Arcan: You can't own a copy of Photoshop though
L301[11:18:53] <Ristelle> it isnt pirating
L302[11:19:10] <Arcan> Inari: that's because adobe is full of itself
L303[11:19:21] <Inari> Unfortunately
L304[11:19:28] <Ristelle> Eg: I have a copy of factorio that I purchased on steam
L305[11:19:35] <Ristelle> but then I want to bring it around
L306[11:19:43] <Ristelle> and it has drm
L307[11:19:59] <Ristelle> You might as well get smartsteamemu and just play
L308[11:20:34] <Ristelle> Though on that Note, Factorio does have a drm-less version when you link your steam account to your factorio account.
L309[11:21:31] <Ristelle> I dont get why so business minded people can't get into their heads that drm is effectively useless.
L310[11:21:48] <Ristelle> so many*
L311[11:23:13] <Wuerfel_21> i don't know why no one can get it into their heads that no one wants these stupid subscriptions for software
L312[11:23:20] <Ristelle> me ne8yher
L313[11:23:24] <Ristelle> neither*
L314[11:23:48] <Wuerfel_21> and it's not like they have to run it on their cloud servers like an MMORPG or something would
L315[11:24:02] <Inari> https://soranews24.com/2018/03/14/japanese-politicians-submit-bill-to-lower-legal-adulthood-age-raise-marriage-age-for-women/
L316[11:24:26] <Ristelle> Okay what the heck is this shit im looking... lol
L317[11:24:32] <Ristelle> oh
L318[11:31:32] <payonel> Izaya: i need to call it beta-1.7.3? why?
L319[11:33:16] <payonel> cpp talked about "if i implement a thing that is marked for 1.7.3 -- will it be merged"
L320[11:33:22] <payonel> anyone catch what they were talking about specifically?
L321[11:34:32] <payonel> some times i scroll throw history without reading all the details, but if someone pings my name, i'll read the comments around it more carefully. anyways, [anyone here reading this] feel free to have people ping my name with questions whether i'm around or not
L322[11:34:35] <payonel> i'll read it later
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L326[11:43:00] <Ristelle> @payonel If your still around, I was wonderig will there be any more further work on OC's GPU's
L327[11:43:02] <Ristelle> ?
L328[11:44:32] <Arcan> Ristelle: as a general rule, wait 10 minutes for a response
L329[11:44:44] <Arcan> on any chat platform but especially IRC
L330[11:44:50] <Arcan> also, payo is probably busy
L331[11:48:50] <Ristelle> Probably
L332[11:48:55] <Ristelle> Yeah I can wait
L333[11:49:26] <Ristelle> anyways just ping me back. so that i can see
L334[11:50:03] <Nightmare> ive been itching to play factorio lately. I want to do a rail world playthrough, haven't done one in a long long time (someone mentioned factorio)
L335[11:50:17] <Ristelle> I did... lol :P
L336[11:50:19] <Ristelle> sorry
L337[11:50:54] <Ristelle> Oh uhh Hai sangar!
L338[11:51:22] <Dudblockman> I think I mentioned it before... the feed the beast discord has a thing where they have links to mod-related discords
L339[11:52:41] <Dudblockman> I dunno much about it but it seems like something that would be nice
L340[11:53:11] <Dudblockman> Might bring in a surge of inexperience on the other hand lol
L341[11:53:16] <Dudblockman> https://git.io/vdKPf
L342[11:54:28] <Dudblockman> I started learning how to mod again @_@
L343[11:54:51] <Dudblockman> My abusive relationship with minecraft forge is rekindled
L344[11:55:05] <Dudblockman> I break minecraft and minecraft breaks me
L345[11:56:02] <Ristelle> and block for a block?
L346[11:57:24] <Dudblockman> The mod concept I'm working on is an oldie of mine from many years ago
L347[11:58:16] <Ristelle> I feel like making a mod something like Psi
L348[11:58:23] <Ristelle> but with actual programming
L349[11:58:27] <Ristelle> but not in lua
L350[11:58:28] <Dudblockman> I wanted to put machinery in your pocket
L351[11:58:35] <Ristelle> Uhh
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L353[11:58:45] <Ristelle> isnt there a mod for that already?
L354[11:59:01] <Ristelle> Compact macines was it?
L355[11:59:06] <Dudblockman> I dunno
L356[11:59:07] <Ristelle> machines*
L357[11:59:12] <Dudblockman> So I started by making a portable crafting table, and now I'm working on a portable furnace item
L358[11:59:30] <Ristelle> I saw your progress on uhh Ellpecks discord
L359[11:59:35] <Ristelle> right?
L360[11:59:35] <Dudblockman> Kek
L361[11:59:39] <Dudblockman> Maybe
L362[12:00:00] <Dudblockman> I dunno, he was probably laughing at my terrible code
L363[12:00:07] <AmandaC> %choose watch anime or play game
L364[12:00:07] <MichiBot> AmandaC: play game
L365[12:00:17] <AmandaC> Hrm. I guess
L366[12:00:34] <Ristelle> Im not laughing at anyones code
L367[12:00:42] <Dudblockman> I don't know what I'm doing, so I just have been using chunks of code and doing what makes sense to me
L368[12:00:49] <Ristelle> jist that its funny you got a infinate recursion bug
L369[12:00:54] <Dudblockman> Oh yeah that
L370[12:00:56] <Ristelle> just that its funny you got a infinate recursion bug [Edited]
L371[12:00:57] <Dudblockman> ?
L372[12:01:12] <Dudblockman> https://gyazo.com/6d7ae2f02142846104365d472fe3c58a
L373[12:01:39] <Ristelle> To understand recursion, you have to understand recursion.
L374[12:01:42] <Ristelle> ALSO
L375[12:01:45] <Ristelle> LIGHT THEME
L376[12:01:48] <Ristelle> WHY
L377[12:01:53] <Ristelle> MY EYES
L378[12:01:57] <Dudblockman> I know I know
L379[12:02:06] <Nightmare> @Ristelle What would you use if not lua?
L380[12:02:14] <Dudblockman> For some reason I prefer Eclipse light
L381[12:02:15] <Ristelle> Meanwhile... http://tinyurl.com/yaqnyngk
L382[12:02:23] <Ristelle> I hate optimising
L383[12:02:31] <Ristelle> Python ofc Nightmare
L384[12:02:37] <Dudblockman> I tried out the dark theme and the dark theme plugin
L385[12:02:57] <Ristelle> you might wanna get the dracula theme
L386[12:03:31] <Ristelle> my for loops desperately needs improvement
L387[12:03:34] <Dudblockman> The dark theme plugin messed with my icons and the color schemes were not pleasing to my eye
L388[12:03:49] <Nightmare> Interesting, tho im nnot one to use pytho
L389[12:03:54] <Ristelle> my numpy for loops desperately needs improvement [Edited]
L390[12:03:56] <Nightmare> Interesting, tho im not one to use python [Edited]
L391[12:04:01] <Dudblockman> Plus most pop-ups remained white so the burst of light was even more painful to my eyes
L392[12:04:18] <Ristelle> Its a great programming language... thoigj take my words with a slight grain of salt
L393[12:04:25] <Ristelle> Its a great programming language... though take my words with a slight grain of salt [Edited]
L394[12:04:42] <Nightmare> I like my {} and python doesnt use {}
L395[12:04:44] <Dudblockman> I've lost most of my Python know-how
L396[12:04:44] <Ristelle> its like lua but without the arrays starting from one
L397[12:04:51] <Arcan> nightmare same
L398[12:04:52] <Ristelle> lol dud
L399[12:04:56] <Dudblockman> I used to python all the time
L400[12:05:00] <Arcan> python is nothing like lua
L401[12:05:12] <Dudblockman> Haven't really touched python in... 8 years?
L402[12:05:19] <Dudblockman> I think?
L403[12:05:20] <Arcan> lua is closer to kotlin than python
L404[12:05:25] <Ristelle> thats a long time
L405[12:05:32] <Ristelle> oh really?
L406[12:05:33] <Ristelle> huh
L407[12:05:34] <Nightmare> i like kotlin sometimed
L408[12:05:40] <Dudblockman> Maybe less
L409[12:05:40] <Nightmare> i like kotlin sometimes [Edited]
L410[12:05:44] <Arcan> and arrays starting at one is not the end of the world
L411[12:05:45] <Ristelle> im fine with kotlin
L412[12:06:02] <Ristelle> but if someone teabags his or her way into me using kotlin
L413[12:06:04] <Ristelle> im out
L414[12:06:10] <Arcan> i like kotlin better than java for most things
L415[12:06:20] <Ristelle> Let me learn at my own fking pace dammit.
L416[12:06:26] <Arcan> hey the choice is yours
L417[12:06:29] <Dudblockman> I just remember my last big python project being repairing my father's work's inventory database after a guy at corporate did a stupid and Ctrl+H'd it
L418[12:06:34] <Ristelle> There Arcan
L419[12:06:45] <Ristelle> Ctrl H?
L420[12:06:46] <Arcan> meep?
L421[12:06:51] <Dudblockman> Find and replace
L422[12:06:55] <Ristelle> oh god
L423[12:07:05] <Arcan> what are you trying to tell me @Ristelle
L424[12:07:16] <Dudblockman> He fucked up a lot of entries because it affected keys/values it shouldn't have
L425[12:07:42] <Dudblockman> So I wrote a python program to figure out which ones were messed up so I could fix them
L426[12:07:53] <Ristelle> Eladkay once used to try and teabag his way into me to use kotlin
L427[12:08:05] <Dudblockman> I was at least 12... maybe early teens
L428[12:08:06] <Ristelle> I basically lost all motivation to mod MC.
L429[12:08:23] <Arcan> don't know them...i don't force stuff on people
L430[12:08:51] <Dudblockman> I got paid $300 for fixing it and my program was distributed to other stores the corporate guy messed up
L431[12:08:55] <Dudblockman> :)
L432[12:09:04] <Ristelle> Nice cash
L433[12:09:41] <Arcan> ye esp at 12
L434[12:09:56] <Dudblockman> My code fixed everything that was blatantly obvious, ignored things that were clearly right, and spit out a list of what it was unsure of
L435[12:10:01] <Ristelle> Im jelly for you :P
L436[12:10:28] <Dudblockman> I got paid because corporate guy fucked up :)
L437[12:10:37] <Ristelle> lol
L438[12:10:59] <Ristelle> You know python for loops?
L439[12:11:06] <Ristelle> yeah they are unoptimised
L440[12:11:11] <Ristelle> aka slow
L441[12:11:35] <Arcan> for is just a special case of while
L442[12:11:54] <Ristelle> At that time when I was implemeting I was like
L443[12:11:54] <Ristelle> ***It will be finnee!***
L444[12:12:13] <Ristelle> A few days later:
L445[12:12:13] <Ristelle> "Well thats the slowest code."
L446[12:12:19] <Dudblockman> For is just syntactic sugar :P
L447[12:12:51] <Ristelle> sugar sugar du du du duu duu
L448[12:13:15] <Dudblockman> I also think I'm starting to get a handle on github
L449[12:13:20] <Ristelle> Nice
L450[12:13:32] <Dudblockman> Last time I used it it was for our robotics team's robot code
L451[12:13:44] <Dudblockman> And none of us knew what we were doing
L452[12:13:52] <Dudblockman> We accidentally our entire code
L453[12:14:17] <Dudblockman> So we resigned to using the ultimate IDE to work together: Google Docs
L454[12:15:09] <Arcan> git is hard lol
L455[12:15:59] <Dudblockman> Its not too bad right now when there are no conflicts due to being the only editor
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L458[12:20:09] <Dudblockman> Err I guess Shadows-of-Fire set me straight
L459[12:20:22] <Dudblockman> But it wasn't concurrent editing
L460[12:23:54] <Dudblockman> I don't recall the exact sequence of events, but I think we spent multiple days in our 6 week FRC build season trying to figure out how to use github
L461[12:24:15] <Dudblockman> And I think there was some accident or something that deleted code
L462[12:24:33] <Dudblockman> And we were just wasting time overall when we had a time limit
L463[12:26:27] <Ristelle> nice
L464[12:26:33] <Ristelle> i found a way to cut time
L465[12:26:43] <Ristelle> numpy has a nditer
L466[12:26:46] <Dudblockman> Message contained 4 or more newlines and was pastebined https://paste.pc-logix.com/dakadagife
L467[12:31:11] <Dudblockman> I had copied entire vanilla classes and a good chunk of other mod code in an attempt to make things do the thing
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L471[13:06:33] <Vexatos> SquidDev, https://puu.sh/zGQ1C/df259581c1.png
L472[13:06:37] <Vexatos> I blame asie
L473[13:07:21] <SquidDev> Yes, yes it is!
L474[13:08:04] <SquidDev> Though dubiously useful for actual code - aside from a 3D rasteriser, I don't think anything has been written with it.
L475[13:08:23] <Vexatos> I mean
L476[13:08:25] <payonel> @Ristelle future plans for gpu? not for 1.7.3, but i have some thoughts in that area, a couple of ideas to build on what we have today
L477[13:08:25] <Vexatos> it's lisp
L478[13:08:34] <Vexatos> "dubiously useful for actual code" is the very slogan of lisp
L479[13:08:57] <SquidDev> "dubiously useful" is pretty much the slogan of all my projects though.
L480[13:09:04] <Vexatos> SquidDev, https://github.com/bakpakin/Fennel
L481[13:10:35] <SquidDev> Yeah, I've seen it - it's pretty neat. IMO it's more useful than Urn but less technically interesting.
L482[13:10:52] <SquidDev> Urn was never really aiming for the practical side, more of a "let's write a compiler, that'll be fun".
L483[13:10:55] <Vexatos> There are three levels of Lua compatibility - Selene, Fennel, and Urn
L484[13:10:57] <Vexatos> :⁾
L485[13:11:34] <SquidDev> Eh. I'd probably chuck Fennel on the same level as Selene - it's pretty much an alternative syntax for Lua.
L486[13:11:45] <Vexatos> Selene isn't though
L487[13:12:05] <Vexatos> Fennel is not 100% Lua syntax compatible
L488[13:12:52] <SquidDev> Ahh, true.
L489[13:13:43] <Vexatos> Selene isn't a full language
L490[13:13:56] <Vexatos> it is more of a 100% compatible addon
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L493[13:27:06] <Forecaster> http://maximumble.thebookofbiff.com/2018/03/13/1696-seriously/
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L495[13:36:52] <asie> SquidDev: dubiously useful? also on hacker news
L496[13:37:52] <SquidDev> asie: The biggest point of friction is that it requires you to declare all external variables, so there's a bit of work required in order to integrate it with other libraries.
L497[13:38:18] <SquidDev> It means you get more compile time checking (which is fabulous) but it's a steeper curve to get started.
L498[13:40:01] <Vexatos> asie, selene is not :⁾
L499[13:41:31] <Vexatos> asie, squiddev already commented on the HN post :⁾
L500[13:41:52] <Vexatos> SquidDev, -5 points for not advertising Selene
L501[13:42:07] <SquidDev> I'd argue I've got a net productivity win from it, but that's because the compiler only really interacts with pure Lua. If you want to interact with other libraries things get tricky. Though you can generate the bindings dynamically at compile time, so YMMV.
L502[13:42:12] <SquidDev> Vexatos: I'm sorry :(
L503[14:01:38] <Inari> Hrm I wish I'd "get" Monster Hunter more
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L507[14:17:07] <S3> so I was like how is the weather outside
L508[14:17:13] <S3> pulled up live cam
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L510[14:17:13] <S3> http://maine-webcams.com/95-lincoln-maine/
L511[14:17:19] <S3> oh okay, so it's snowing
L512[14:17:31] <S3> because what I should see there is the highway XD
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L517[14:51:27] <Forecaster> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/kingartgames/iron-harvest
L518[14:51:28] <Forecaster> wants
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L520[14:54:15] <Dudblockman> Mini optimization thing for my coursework
L521[14:54:33] <Dudblockman> We had to make an array that could expand in size...
L522[14:54:38] <Dudblockman> https://gyazo.com/5be17f23146ccba9e0227367cd108a5d
L523[14:55:00] <Dudblockman> Log/Log plot looks kinda interesting
L524[14:55:12] <Dudblockman> https://gyazo.com/05b8846b9d84e06228951a087966c134
L525[14:55:34] <Dudblockman> Buffering the array size makes a huge difference XD
L526[14:59:22] <S3> lol thats funny. A Mainer's thought based on location: Northern / Eastern Maine: Leave your wallet on the table of whatever house / business you walk into and have a walk arund. Central Maine, Lock only your car doors and only during the day unless it's running. If the car is running just leave it and nobody will take it because it's being used by someone (that someone being you). Everyone sleeps at night. Southern Maine, Lock your house and your
L527[14:59:22] <S3> cars 24/7. Anyhere else, especially oston, MA: Keep your allet in your front pocket.
L528[14:59:56] <S3> Boston*
L529[15:00:05] <S3> Wallet. wow this keyboard is weird
L530[15:01:09] <payonel> @dudblockman what do you mean by buffering the "array size" ?
L531[15:02:26] <Dudblockman> We were instructed to start with an array with a size of 8
L532[15:02:48] <Dudblockman> Each time we needed to add more space to the array we would create a new one with double the size
L533[15:02:59] <payonel> vs
L534[15:03:04] <Dudblockman> And we would make a virtual array size
L535[15:03:31] <Dudblockman> While the one we were comparing against created a new array of size oldsize+1
L536[15:03:48] <payonel> 2x vs x+1 in growth?
L537[15:04:02] <Dudblockman> Yep
L538[15:04:22] <Dudblockman> The +1 resulted in the creation of a new array each time it needed to be expanded
L539[15:04:28] <payonel> i see. i wouldn't call that buffering the array size, but you could refer to that as increasing the growth rate
L540[15:05:01] <Dudblockman> Well, in the points the array didn't need to be expanded it just used the older
L541[15:05:05] <payonel> "buffer the array size", in wording, doesn't make sense
L542[15:05:25] <payonel> not trying to be overly pedantic
L543[15:05:38] <Dudblockman> Its what the assignment called it XD
L544[15:05:51] <payonel> fwiw, i used to be a professor
L545[15:05:54] <payonel> and, i disagree
L546[15:05:56] <payonel> :/
L547[15:06:08] <Dudblockman> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
L548[15:06:48] <Dudblockman> I got scared by Mechanical Engineering and decided to give a CS major a poke this semester
L549[15:07:14] <Dudblockman> Feels somewhat degrading to be thrown into Object Oriented Programming 101 :(
L550[15:08:40] <Dudblockman> The nice thing is since I know what I'm doing already all these programming assignments are fast
L551[15:09:10] <Dudblockman> And I have enough experience to not need to spend hours debugging as my classmates report
L552[15:15:49] <Dudblockman> I guess to be fair its CS 1410... and I tested out of the absolutely intro programming course
L553[15:16:07] <Dudblockman> But I still feel way overqualified
L554[15:18:11] <ben_mkiv> really pay?
L555[15:18:50] <payonel> ben_mkiv: "payo" pings me, but "pay" do not, fyi
L556[15:18:53] <payonel> does*
L557[15:18:59] <payonel> but yes, taught cs
L558[15:19:04] <ben_mkiv> yea, i didnt feel like i want to ping you for this
L559[15:19:07] <payonel> i'll go back in 10 or 15 years probably
L560[15:19:18] <ben_mkiv> but gotcha :)
L561[15:19:23] <payonel> meh -- if i can't be distracted i close my irc client
L562[15:37:19] <Forecaster> %shell payonel
L563[15:37:19] * MichiBot loads an adventurer into a shell and fires it. It strikes the ground near payonel, ds84182 and CompanionCube. They each take 5, 6 and 4 splash damage respectively.
L564[15:37:20] * MichiBot The adventurer didn't have an immunity to the common cold!.
L565[15:40:19] <CompanionCube> so is your OO intro in Java or C#?
L566[15:48:46] <payonel> c++
L567[15:54:08] <Skye> pay, payo, payon, payone, payonel: which ones ping? :P
L568[15:54:23] <payonel> :)
L569[15:54:25] <CompanionCube> ....who would do intro to OO with C++
L570[15:54:26] <payonel> payo, and payonel
L571[15:54:29] <payonel> as well as mayonel
L572[15:54:33] <CompanionCube> and why
L573[15:54:35] <payonel> CompanionCube: i would
L574[15:54:39] <payonel> c++ is a great language
L575[15:55:08] <CompanionCube> but other languages are way better for showing 'what is OO'
L576[15:55:10] <Skye> what about mah
L577[15:55:12] <Skye> mayo?
L578[15:55:13] <Skye> :P
L579[15:55:40] <payonel> CompanionCube: what is one thing java or c# do better to demonstrate OO than c++?
L580[15:56:04] <Skye> they force it on you
L581[15:56:40] <payonel> and that is better to learn patterns? to have less choice?
L582[15:56:44] <payonel> interesting :)
L583[15:56:48] <Vexatos> Especially in Java, you cannot mess it up
L584[15:56:54] <Vexatos> And errors are the most descriptive thing on earth
L585[15:57:11] <Vexatos> Java is great for learning OO because it is way too explicit
L586[15:57:18] <payonel> compiler errors tell you nothing about the correctness of your OO design
L587[15:57:20] <Vexatos> it tells you everything you need to do >_>
L588[15:57:30] <payonel> and being "forced" as you put it to use OO, does not teach you OO
L589[15:57:37] <Vexatos> well no
L590[15:57:52] <Vexatos> but the compiler telling you when it's broken along with your teachers telling you how to use it
L591[15:58:10] <CompanionCube> (imo the most ideal language for 'what is OO' is Smalltalk because of the different model than C++/Java/C#)
L592[15:58:15] <payonel> those things have nothing to do with teaching OO
L593[15:58:20] <payonel> making it easier to learn a language? sure
L594[15:58:24] <Vexatos> yes
L595[15:58:38] <Vexatos> With teaching Java first, you are killing two birds with one stone
L596[15:58:44] <payonel> ha
L597[15:58:47] <Vexatos> you have an easy to learn language _and_ an introduction to OO
L598[15:58:56] <Vexatos> C++ is way more involved than Java
L599[15:59:05] <Vexatos> you need to know more concepts before understanding it
L600[15:59:32] <Vexatos> C++ is an extension of an imperative language, it is more than just OO
L601[15:59:44] <payonel> java is a horrible language to learn the basics, requiring boilerplate for things that don't do work but set up for work
L602[16:00:01] <payonel> OO is a pattern, which can be taught in various languages
L603[16:00:10] <Vexatos> have fun teaching OO in Lua >-<
L604[16:00:14] <the-nick-dev> whats the ip for irc/
L605[16:00:16] <the-nick-dev> whats the ip for irc? [Edited]
L606[16:00:18] <Vexatos> Just because it's possible doesn't mean you should do it
L607[16:00:32] <payonel> i value the cs concepts you are able to express in java
L608[16:00:35] <payonel> HA
L609[16:00:36] <payonel> typo
L610[16:00:38] <payonel> i meant c++
L611[16:00:44] <Vexatos> @the-nick-dev lots of IPs, esper has like six servers or so? Just connect to irc.esper.net to find one
L612[16:00:47] <Skye> @the-nick-dev irc.esper.net
L613[16:00:53] <the-nick-dev> ok
L614[16:00:54] <the-nick-dev> thanks
L615[16:01:01] <payonel> i value the cs concepts you are able to express in C++
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L617[16:01:17] <TheNickDev> hello
L618[16:01:19] <Vexatos> C++ is a good language to learn eventually
L619[16:01:22] <TheNickDev> yee
L620[16:01:23] <Vexatos> but not one to learn first
L621[16:01:35] <TheNickDev> writing from my OC server
L622[16:01:36] <payonel> TheNickDev: o/
L623[16:01:57] <Vexatos> payonel, I know someone who had C and haskell in his first semester
L624[16:02:38] <CompanionCube> that could work if your goal is to contrast the two radically different paradigms
L625[16:02:49] <TheNickDev> hey
L626[16:02:49] <CompanionCube> although i feel sorry for the person doing it :p
L627[16:03:00] <TheNickDev> I am Sanudhr32 not the Nick
L628[16:03:06] <TheNickDev> Sanduhr*
L629[16:03:14] <TheNickDev> he forces me to type
L630[16:03:15] <Vexatos> haskell is a very good language to learn, it's just not particularly useful :P
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L632[16:03:41] <Vexatos> first-semester functional paradigm is something that I'd be really interested in, to be honest
L633[16:03:43] <Forecaster> I learned asp, php, Java (first OO), javascript, C#
L634[16:03:49] <Forecaster> in that order
L635[16:03:57] <Forecaster> :D
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L637[16:04:04] <Vexatos> I am self-taught but I know a thing or two about didactics :I
L638[16:04:16] <Sanduhr32> ^
L639[16:04:22] <Sanduhr32> ^^
L640[16:04:22] <payonel> cs is a lot more than learning a language
L641[16:04:26] <Forecaster> I still use all but asp
L642[16:04:31] <Vexatos> payonel, exactly
L643[16:04:36] <Sanduhr32> C# isnt hard
L644[16:05:04] <Forecaster> that should be C# + asp.net
L645[16:05:08] <payonel> which is precisely why using java is a waste of time for all but maybe 1/4 of one semester of study
L646[16:05:13] <Vexatos> C# is just java.NET :^)
L647[16:05:23] <Sanduhr32> Java isnt waste of time
L648[16:05:31] <Vexatos> Java is the #1 used language
L649[16:05:37] <Vexatos> that alone is a good reason to teach it
L650[16:06:06] <Sanduhr32> Its also *like C* on every plattform
L651[16:06:12] <payonel> Vexatos: youre confusing "self learning programming languages" with cs degree
L652[16:06:20] <Sanduhr32> And its #1 language for Android
L653[16:06:25] <Vexatos> payonel, first-semester CS is basically that
L654[16:06:52] <payonel> not in our department, not in the cs curriculum i support and was a part of
L655[16:07:05] <Sanduhr32> first semester is basic logic and the understanding how something works
L656[16:07:08] <Vexatos> well in every CS department I know people from
L657[16:07:22] <Vexatos> which is, like, only four universities and a school, but still
L658[16:07:45] <payonel> and when i say "our department" i have taught in over 3 years
L659[16:08:01] <Sanduhr32> <@404299294838095875>404299294838095875
L660[16:08:05] <payonel> and started my degree almost 20 years ago
L661[16:08:11] <Vexatos> but then again half of those unis I looked at what they are learning in semester 1 and 2 and I went "what."
L662[16:08:17] <payonel> so not really "mine"
L663[16:08:55] <Vexatos> payonel, did you know that you can spend two semesters learning literally ONLY things I taught myself in my free time :I
L664[16:08:59] <Vexatos> what the actual heck.
L665[16:09:09] <Sanduhr32> xD
L666[16:09:24] <Vexatos> When I started studying chemistry, we went through and past anything you ever learn normally through school books after two weeks
L667[16:09:45] <Vexatos> That particular cs course sounded really damn bad
L668[16:09:46] <Vexatos> :I
L669[16:09:56] <Sanduhr32> cs is fun
L670[16:10:17] <Vexatos> I expect people studying cs to be way ahead of me after half a year because they have professional teachers sitting in front of them :I
L671[16:10:24] <payonel> Vexatos: depends on the school
L672[16:10:43] <Sanduhr32> You expect too much
L673[16:10:44] <payonel> where i studied, 1/2 the class dropped out each year
L674[16:11:04] <Vexatos> well that's the same in chemistry as well, except half dropped out after those two weeks >-<
L675[16:11:05] <Sanduhr32> same here and its a basic uni :)
L676[16:11:26] <Dudblockman> Right now this CS class is teaching us what an object is and how to make/use them
L677[16:11:36] <payonel> i like vex's perspective on intelligence
L678[16:11:51] <payonel> chem student >>>>>>>> self learner > cs student
L679[16:11:54] <Vexatos> No
L680[16:12:06] <Dudblockman> If you know that much... well thats a good chunk of the first semester @_@
L681[16:12:18] <Vexatos> payonel, it's a god damn university the highest possible academic institution, I expect anyone studying anything to know orders of magnitude more than me about their topic after one semester
L682[16:12:40] <Vexatos> just like I probably know more about chemistry than you :I
L683[16:12:44] <Sanduhr32> you are wrong
L684[16:12:56] <payonel> Vexatos: i would expect you do
L685[16:12:56] <Sanduhr32> they do basics first and pretty detailed
L686[16:13:02] <payonel> but yeah, depends on the school
L687[16:13:16] <Vexatos> What I do not expect is talking to sem 3 cs students I know and which courses they have and what they learn and being able to understand what they are talking about
L688[16:13:21] <Sanduhr32> "depends" mostly on country
L689[16:13:56] <Vexatos> That particular school might be a particularly slow one though
L690[16:13:57] <Vexatos> who knows
L691[16:14:14] <Sanduhr32> yee who knows
L692[16:14:26] <Vexatos> I mean the school Cruor's at is also pretty damn bad
L693[16:14:41] <Cruor> rude
L694[16:14:50] <Vexatos> day 999 what is an if statement
L695[16:15:00] <Sanduhr32> xd
L696[16:15:14] <Cruor> while (contiditon) { *codeblock* break; }
L697[16:15:20] <Cruor> i can write
L698[16:15:23] <Vexatos> boolean funnet = true
L699[16:15:35] <Sanduhr32> if (dead) { sanduhr = new Sanduhr() }
L700[16:15:49] <Sanduhr32> i nsiackw st
L701[16:15:58] <Sanduhr32> lmfao
L702[16:16:07] <Sanduhr32> ok i stop ty nick
L703[16:16:19] <Sanduhr32> (2 guys 1 server rack)
L704[16:16:23] <Vexatos> payonel, I have just yet to see one cs course that is actually teaching proper computer _science_ in sem 1
L705[16:16:46] <Vexatos> more than just programming basics and graph theory >_<
L706[16:17:30] <Sanduhr32> programming is 3rd or 4th semester usually
L707[16:17:48] <Sanduhr32> where tf u live?
L708[16:17:49] <Inari> Define computer _science_
L709[16:18:12] <Vexatos> the stuff payonel talks about when he talks about cs
L710[16:18:18] <Inari> Programming is 1st semester
L711[16:18:23] <Sanduhr32> No
L712[16:18:28] <Sanduhr32> Where tf u live?
L713[16:18:44] <Inari> Germany
L714[16:18:44] <Inari> :D
L715[16:18:50] <Sanduhr32> Me too
L716[16:19:18] <Inari> I don't see why you'd wait a year before starting people on programming
L717[16:19:23] <Forecaster> I also totally live in germany
L718[16:20:10] <Sanduhr32> Well because programming is stuff you should learn after you have done basic logic gates etc?
L719[16:20:23] <Inari> Eh, works both ways around
L720[16:20:27] <Inari> You don't need logic gates in programming
L721[16:20:30] <Sanduhr32> also you cant let a cs noob programm something :)
L722[16:20:41] <Inari> They will learn by programming
L723[16:20:42] <Sanduhr32> YOu need logic gates
L724[16:21:14] <Sanduhr32> && & || | ~ - + % / * are basic gates you should know
L725[16:21:32] <Inari> You don't need btiwise ops to get started on understanding basic syntax and the like
L726[16:21:44] <Sanduhr32> you think that
L727[16:21:50] <Sanduhr32> bitwise = important
L728[16:22:08] <Inari> Not sure how that'll help you look at some code and understand what ti does - code that doesn't use bitwise ops
L729[16:22:09] <Sanduhr32> HI i am sponsored by jetbrains :)
L730[16:22:26] <Sanduhr32> I know what i tell
L731[16:22:37] <Forecaster> you're a spy!
L732[16:22:37] <Sanduhr32> And i did bad and good stuff
L733[16:22:44] <Forecaster> get the pyro!
L734[16:22:51] <Sanduhr32> :eyes:
L735[16:22:54] <Inari> People take ages to learn coding, better start them early
L736[16:23:12] <Sanduhr32> just noobs cant learn it
L737[16:23:13] <Cruor> Sanduhr32: smh
L738[16:23:18] <Cruor> im sponsored by IntelliJulia
L739[16:23:35] <Cruor> Inari: let people skip the first two semesters though
L740[16:23:35] <Sanduhr32> Cruor: lul tf
L741[16:23:44] <Inari> Sanduhr32: Sounds like a sound education concept
L742[16:23:44] <Inari> :P
L743[16:23:45] <Cruor> those being mandatory is completely retarded
L744[16:24:20] <Vexatos> payonel ^ this is what I am talking about
L745[16:24:59] <Inari> What is?
L746[16:25:11] <Vexatos> I think you overestimate what teachers are expecting from first-semester cs students
L747[16:25:46] <payonel> when i taught, and when i studied, we learned programming in the 1st semester, but the focus was the primitive concepts (code blocks, scope, jumps, functions, primitives), and the language was the tool
L748[16:25:56] <Sanduhr32> Inari: What you wanna know first? programming or where code is executed and how parts are build and logic is done from your coming code etc? Skip the boring part for pushing it further away and then getting knocked out by it or made it and have not to care about it?
L749[16:26:09] <Inari> Also why is it A or B
L750[16:26:17] <Vexatos> Sanduhr32, IntelliJulia https://files.catbox.moe/2gfib2.png
L751[16:26:21] <Inari> Guess what, we did both programming and logic gates in 1st semester
L752[16:26:52] <Sanduhr32> i bet you just know and can do 50% of both
L753[16:27:04] <payonel> Sanduhr32: :|
L754[16:27:13] <payonel> Sanduhr32: please be polite, and enough "tf" crap
L755[16:27:41] <Vexatos> When I had an optional cs course in year 10 of school we learnt how transistors work and arranged them into logic gates
L756[16:27:47] <Forecaster> "50% of both" wut
L757[16:27:51] <Vexatos> that was probably the best "basics" thing I ever had
L758[16:27:56] <Sanduhr32> uh i see
L759[16:28:07] <Inari> Sanduhr32: I mean, not really, and later courses build upon it
L760[16:28:13] <Sanduhr32> i talk to some smart people who understand me and some who dont
L761[16:28:34] <Inari> What does "sponsired by jetbrains" even mean
L762[16:28:36] <Sanduhr32> both sides are smart
L763[16:29:02] <Cruor> payonel: why would you ever c++ over java for a first language
L764[16:29:06] <Sanduhr32> If you dont know jetbrains you live behind the moon?
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L766[16:29:11] <TheNickDev> hi snad
L767[16:29:12] <Cruor> im not saying java is a better language on its own
L768[16:29:14] <Forecaster> does being sired by jetbrains mean you're a code-knight?
L769[16:29:16] <Cruor> but its way more sane
L770[16:29:17] <Inari> I know jetbrains
L771[16:29:24] <Inari> I'm asking what you mean with "sponsored by jetbrains" :P
L772[16:29:26] <Sanduhr32> Why would you teach languages first?
L773[16:29:33] <TheNickDev> Sanduhr32 henlo
L774[16:29:40] <Inari> People take time to learn. And to do much of anything you need langauge
L775[16:29:45] <Sanduhr32> I get their stuff free for my work and for teaching people :)
L776[16:29:45] <Inari> Plus as said
L777[16:29:47] <Inari> Teach both
L778[16:29:56] <TheNickDev> Sand im using a remote terminal :)
L779[16:29:59] <Sanduhr32> I teach both in the best order
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L781[16:31:13] <Inari> Learning about logic helps you understand code better, learning about code helps you understand how to apply logic
L782[16:31:51] <Sanduhr32> without understanding code you cant apply better logic to your code if you dont know what you do
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L784[16:32:08] <TheNickDev> Sand dont turn off my server
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L786[16:32:14] <Inari> Sanduhr32: Sure, you won't understand what you do without learning code though
L787[16:32:14] <Inari> :D
L788[16:32:21] <Sanduhr32> yeee
L789[16:32:28] <Sanduhr32> logic is still the best begin
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L791[16:32:35] <TheNickDev> SAAAND
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L793[16:32:52] <Sanduhr32> Bye nick
L794[16:33:13] <Sanduhr32> He stands right next to me in mc...
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L799[16:34:10] <Sanduhr32> ty nick
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L803[16:35:19] <TheNickDev> xD sand keeps shutting down my server lul
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L805[16:35:29] <Inari> Sigh
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L807[16:35:57] <payonel> Cruor: java makes a lot of mistakes and muddies critical fundamentals. erasure, boxing and primitives, classes required, require new but not providing stack objects
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L809[16:36:08] <TheNickDev> hi
L810[16:36:14] <payonel> i could go on, and have
L811[16:36:23] <Sanduhr32> Java isnt that bad
L812[16:36:35] <Sanduhr32> Still C# and C++ do a lot misstakes too
L813[16:36:39] <payonel> honestly, the question to start with java never had any popularity in the fields i've been in
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L815[16:36:59] <Cruor> id rather do boilerplate hell with easy error detecting than mashing my head into wtf am i doing walls
L816[16:37:12] <Inari> Yeah my school puts C++ first
L817[16:37:12] <payonel> Cruor: that's fair
L818[16:37:23] <Inari> To teach people stuff that other langauges hide, like dealing with memory
L819[16:37:29] <Cruor> im not saying either language is the best one
L820[16:37:36] <payonel> nor am i, honestly
L821[16:37:37] <Cruor> but Java is probably less frustrating
L822[16:37:41] <payonel> though, i AM biased obviously
L823[16:37:42] <Cruor> unless you can allready code
L824[16:38:11] <payonel> Inari: yeah, and i feel those things critically important
L825[16:38:20] <the-nick-dev> sand look on the screen
L826[16:38:23] <Inari> Cruor: Tough luck, learning something can be hard
L827[16:38:39] <⌛.exe ¯\_(ツ)_/¯> Nick no
L828[16:38:43] <Cruor> and Java sounds less annoying to me
L829[16:39:10] <Sanduhr32> it really is if you continue with other jvm langs
L830[16:39:44] <Inari> If you know C++ you won't have a hard time learning Java
L831[16:39:52] <payonel> fwiw, c++ might be more palatable to some of you if I had been your instructor
L832[16:40:13] <Cruor> i dont even pay attention in Java lectures <_<
L833[16:40:17] <payonel> i might say -- you would love it as much as i do :)
L834[16:40:20] <Cruor> its going at snail pace
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L836[16:40:45] <Inari> I wouldn't say I love C++, but it's okay
L837[16:40:54] <payonel> I LOVE C++!
L838[16:40:57] * payonel yells it
L839[16:41:00] <Inari> They need to write compilers that don't suck at template errors
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L841[16:41:47] <Inari> And it needs som emore stuff Haskell has
L842[16:41:48] <⌛.exe ¯\_(ツ)_/¯> Hi i love Kotlin
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L844[16:47:02] <Cruor> Inari: what
L845[16:47:04] <Cruor> please
L846[16:47:26] <Vexatos> payonel, just teach julia :^)
L847[16:47:37] <payonel> well i don't teach anymore :)
L848[16:47:38] <Cruor> https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/1956/generate-the-longest-error-message-in-c this is what templates were made for
L849[16:47:52] <payonel> but, in 10-15 years i would like to teach highschool
L850[16:47:54] <payonel> math and cs
L851[16:48:01] <Vexatos> maths* :3
L852[16:48:07] <payonel> Cruor: haha
L853[16:48:18] <payonel> Vexatos: in the US we only cover 1
L854[16:48:19] <Vexatos> payonel, teach them julia :^)
L855[16:48:27] <Vexatos> payonel, that explains a lot
L856[16:48:39] <Cruor> julia is the superior language eitherway though
L857[16:48:41] <Cruor> :⁾
L858[16:50:41] <Sanduhr32> dont teach pls
L859[16:50:48] <payonel> ...why?
L860[16:51:04] <Sanduhr32> you dont seem to be effective
L861[16:51:11] <Vexatos> someone help me write a julia arch for OC
L862[16:51:25] <payonel> Sanduhr32: ouch, ok. thanks for the feedback :)
L863[16:51:35] <Vexatos> rip payonel
L864[16:51:38] <Sanduhr32> Well its just what i notice here
L865[16:51:43] <Cruor> Sanduhr32: hah
L866[16:51:44] <payonel> cool
L867[16:51:49] <Cruor> you havent seen my profesors
L868[16:51:52] <Cruor> they cant even program
L869[16:51:54] <Sanduhr32> and you probably will note a dickhead for me
L870[16:51:58] <Vexatos> Cruor, multiple return statements!!!!
L871[16:52:00] <Cruor> yea
L872[16:52:05] <Cruor> and following stupid coding conventions
L873[16:52:08] <Cruor> they believe are sane
L874[16:52:12] <Inari> Sanduhr32: What is it that you notice? :P
L875[16:52:12] <Cruor> when i can allready program and debug
L876[16:52:18] <Cruor> smfh
L877[16:52:21] <Sanduhr32> i follow conventionss most of the time xD
L878[16:52:58] <Cruor> like all if statements must have a boolean flag decleared outside of it?
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L880[16:53:05] <Cruor> no while trues, no break/continues
L881[16:53:09] <Cruor> and only one return
L882[16:53:18] <Cruor> burn the witch at the stake if there is two of those returns
L883[16:53:51] <payonel> Cruor: honestly, the biggest mistakes when teaching c++, or any language that is not c, is teaching it as "C with some other features"
L884[16:54:05] <Cruor> yup
L885[16:54:06] <payonel> and "single return" is one of the biggest smells of that mistake
L886[16:54:18] <Cruor> what the heck is wrong with multiple returns?
L887[16:54:24] <Cruor> it makes control flow sane
L888[16:54:28] <Vexatos> semester 1 without a garbage collector... with some of the stuff Cruor has told me about his classmates, uuuh
L889[16:54:36] <Sanduhr32> omg
L890[16:54:41] <Sanduhr32> can i kms?
L891[16:54:49] <Cruor> if we are done, dont contemplate about being done in every succeding if statement or loop
L892[16:54:57] <Cruor> just get the <_< out of there already
L893[16:55:01] <Cruor> WE ARE DONE OKAy?1
L894[16:55:06] <Sanduhr32> xD
L895[16:55:09] <Inari> Vexatos: Well you teach people how to handle memory
L896[16:55:21] <Vexatos> but can you :P
L897[16:55:26] <Inari> Sanduhr32: Kissing your sister is fine under German law
L898[16:55:44] <payonel> Inari: nice
L899[16:55:53] <Sanduhr32> I use kotlin i dont handle memory or threads x)
L900[16:55:53] <Vexatos> everything is legal once you're 14 >_>
L901[16:56:02] <Sanduhr32> Inari: i mean "kill myself"
L902[16:56:03] <Inari> Nah
L903[16:56:15] <Inari> Vexatos: Certain kinds of intercourse aren't
L904[16:56:16] <Inari> :<
L905[16:56:16] <Sanduhr32> meant ofc
L906[16:56:44] <Sanduhr32> <@198137282018934784> lul i mention myself in discord xD
L907[16:56:53] <Inari> Sanduhr32: People here don't tend to like suicide jokes that much
L908[16:57:15] <Vexatos> pro tip: Don't kill yourself. You'll live longer
L909[16:57:29] <Sanduhr32> yes probably but uh you will understand that in 5 years of programming and helping your dad at work x)
L910[16:58:23] <Sanduhr32> Trust me i saw military aircraft software
L911[17:00:03] <Cruor> but did you see haiwai missile warning program?
L912[17:03:03] <Inari> 1st semester here was stuff like.. basic electronics knowledge, moore's law, boolean algebra, KV maps, creating circuits, how numbers are encoded in binary (2-complement, etc), finite state machines, basic maths stuff, basic security stuff (cryptography, public key stuff, what security aims to protect, etc), basic C++ coding (including data structures and algorithms)
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L914[17:03:12] <SNN-Coorp> lol
L915[17:03:43] <the-nick-dev> SNN > Sanduhr32 - NobodyMiner - TheNickDev (Nick)
L916[17:03:48] <Sanduhr32> Cruor: i saw the dumbest code in the world
L917[17:04:11] <the-nick-dev> wut no pls
L918[17:04:22] <Sanduhr32> Nick why?
L919[17:04:25] <Sanduhr32> WHY!
L920[17:04:31] <the-nick-dev> wait wtf i have ? in middle of my name?
L921[17:04:48] <⌛.exe ¯\_(ツ)_/¯> for me its normal
L922[17:04:52] <the-nick-dev> in mc
L923[17:05:09] <ben_mkiv> cruor that wasnt a software problem afaik
L924[17:05:18] <Sanduhr32> ^
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L926[17:05:45] <the-nick-dev> https://i.like-man.ga/dpylye.png
L927[17:09:02] <Inari> 2nd semester expanded on the C++ coding with more advanced topics like inheritance, polymorphism, generics/templates, and other algorithmic stuff (trees, etc). Expanded on the maths stuff too and a special Object Oriented course. Plus expanding on the logic stuff with teaching assembler, hardware architectures, and concepts like Stack/calling standards/etc, as well as understanding how a CPU work
L928[17:09:03] <Inari> s
L929[17:09:10] <Inari> So thats some nice and interesting stuff
L930[17:09:28] <Inari> A bit much to learn for someone who has no previous knowledge though
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L932[17:11:32] <Sanduhr32> http://beta.leeks.life/D5AvF1.png uh fuck?
L933[17:12:33] <Cruor> ben_mkiv: its not a software problem
L934[17:12:36] <Cruor> its horrible software
L935[17:12:43] <Cruor> the epitome of it
L936[17:26:33] <tiin57> Cruor: is haiwai pronounced hi-why?
L937[17:26:47] <tiin57> *high-why I guess
L938[17:26:56] <Cruor> oh god
L939[17:26:57] <Cruor> its tiin57
L940[17:27:00] <Cruor> i thought you were dead
L941[17:27:01] <tiin57> no it's not
L942[17:27:06] <tiin57> I'm still not dead
L943[17:27:16] <Cruor> yay, you got the inside joke :⁾
L944[17:27:34] <tiin57> how could I forget your obsession with my death
L945[17:27:47] <Cruor> heh
L946[17:27:50] <Cruor> long time no see :p
L947[17:27:53] <tiin57> no but seriously, high-why?
L948[17:27:57] <tiin57> yeah i've been busy doing stuff
L949[17:27:59] <tiin57> and things
L950[17:28:29] <Cruor> sound dank
L951[17:28:30] <tiin57> set up a new server, named it after my cat, and decided to install znc
L952[17:28:35] <payonel> Inari: sounds like a good course
L953[17:28:35] <Vexatos> sounds shifty
L954[17:28:41] <Inari> Haha
L955[17:28:49] <tiin57> Vexatos: No, it just is shifty
L956[17:29:04] <Inari> It's tiin57 :o
L957[17:29:07] <Inari> I haven't seen you fro like ages
L958[17:29:13] <Inari> Are youi still with that girl
L959[17:29:19] <tiin57> I've been lurking in channels for about a week or so
L960[17:29:29] <tiin57> Nah that ended a while ago
L961[17:29:31] <Inari> Aw
L962[17:29:40] <tiin57> got engaged last summer though, so I'm doing ok :D
L963[17:29:47] <Inari> Vexatos: Was that in response to me or to something else
L964[17:29:53] <Inari> Neat
L965[17:32:19] <Inari> Now I still have to figure out who linked Sleepless Domain to me :|
L966[17:32:22] <Inari> Apparently it wasn't on IRC
L967[17:32:31] <Inari> But I can't seem ti find it on Discord either
L968[17:47:28] <Forecaster> why do you need to know that?
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L974[18:46:56] <AmandaC> %choose now or later
L975[18:46:56] <MichiBot> AmandaC: now
L976[18:47:03] <AmandaC> Hrm... I disagree
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L983[19:02:52] <Taste> hello
L984[19:06:18] <Arcan> %hello
L985[19:06:18] <MichiBot> Arcan: Hello! Welcome to #oc! The one and only opencomputers channel! Please ask your questions directly (dont ask to ask) and provide error/code examples! (Use pastebin.com if theyre more than one line!) Dont mind the random conversation you might have walked into.
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L987[19:08:55] <Arcan> i like how a pipe organ can easily drown out an entire orchestra
L988[19:18:02] <S3> I always wanted to learn how to play one
L989[19:18:11] <S3> but the churches were always like NO U CANT
L990[19:18:23] <S3> how the hell will I learn to play if I can't use a real one
L991[19:18:33] <Arcan> hehe, not every organ is in a church, and you should ask the organist, not the clergy
L992[19:18:48] <S3> here where I live, they are
L993[19:19:00] <S3> nobody has a pipe organ that isn't in some cathedral or something here
L994[19:19:50] <Arcan> lots of US organs are not in churches
L995[19:19:51] <S3> I'm sure it's very much like playing piano, and no I don';t mean organ is like piano, what I mean is: You can't really learn how to play piano by playing a keyboard..
L996[19:20:08] <Arcan> yeah pianos are way different from electric keyboards
L997[19:20:09] <S3> much like I've played electric organs
L998[19:20:21] <S3> but that won't teach me how to operate larger organs
L999[19:20:30] <Arcan> HOWEVER, an electronic organ is not terribly different from an electromechanical organ
L1000[19:20:34] <Arcan> it just doesn't sound as nice
L1001[19:20:37] <S3> heheh
L1002[19:21:28] <S3> I've looked at youtube videos of people explaining some of them, and how some of them are configured for different instrument sounds, and that part is easy, but foot pedals.. etc... is also a whole different story
L1003[19:21:47] <S3> I just want to sit down and fart around
L1004[19:21:52] <S3> on like a weekday
L1005[19:22:16] <S3> That's how I learned piano. I sat down at a piano every day and played for hours for fun
L1006[19:22:39] <S3> didn't worry about playing songs, just constructing modal progressions in different keys
L1007[19:23:06] <S3> I have an upright in the house right now, but I miss playing the chickering grand at my fiance's parents' house.
L1008[19:23:15] <S3> its from the 30s and it sounds awesome
L1009[19:23:47] <S3> but, this one is just some basic yamaha from the past 20 or so years.. actually lemme get a date on it, it may be newer or older
L1010[19:23:49] <Arcan> there is a technique to pedaling on an organ
L1011[19:24:03] <Izaya> https://shadowkat.net/img/microtel-routing.webm
L1012[19:24:26] <S3> october 1986
L1013[19:26:18] <S3> Izaya: This site is blocked due to a phishing threat.
L1014[19:26:29] <S3> uh
L1015[19:26:38] <Izaya> Congratulations, your browser blocks file hosting sites.
L1016[19:26:46] <S3> lol
L1017[19:27:12] <S3> I think its because it asked for me to force through the ssl cert twice and got confused
L1018[19:28:20] <S3> haha firefox did it too
L1019[19:28:29] <Izaya> works on my machine tm
L1020[19:28:31] <S3> firefox asked me three times though
L1021[19:29:13] <Izaya> fwiw
L1022[19:29:19] <S3> lol
L1023[19:29:20] <Izaya> anything in /img/ is just a redirect to another site
L1024[19:29:35] <Izaya> because even a 10M video would take a long time to load from my actual connection
L1025[19:29:37] <S3> oh ... yep that's what's going on I think
L1026[19:30:08] <S3> maybe it doesn't like redirecting after the SSL handshake
L1027[19:30:32] <S3> huh
L1028[19:30:43] <Izaya> it occurs to me that I never scaled this down to 720p like I usually do
L1029[19:30:45] <Izaya> oh well
L1030[19:30:50] <S3> could it be getting the cert info from your site but loading the redirected or vice versa?
L1031[19:30:56] <Izaya> nah
L1032[19:30:59] <Izaya> it'd be making a new request
L1033[19:31:05] <S3> thats what i thought
L1034[19:31:07] <Izaya> just wget it if your browser won't let you access it
L1035[19:31:45] <S3> on my windows box atm. been sick and too lazy to grab my linux laptop
L1036[19:31:55] <S3> so hey, maybe your redirects are now windows banned :D
L1037[19:32:06] <Izaya> I'm on Windows right now though
L1038[19:32:10] <S3> ah
L1039[19:32:19] <S3> ok nvm
L1040[19:32:23] * Izaya shrugs
L1041[19:32:27] <S3> I was going to congratulate you on banning windows
L1042[19:32:28] <S3> :D
L1043[19:32:37] <S3> implicitly
L1044[19:32:41] <Izaya> pfft
L1045[19:32:53] <Izaya> just set the rendering mode to IE 1
L1046[19:33:01] <S3> LOL
L1047[19:33:22] <S3> I tried with IE and was like, thisl be hilarious if it works
L1048[19:33:23] <S3> but didnt
L1049[19:33:23] <Izaya> I don't have IE installed to test what that would do, I'm afraid.
L1050[19:33:46] <S3> My thought was: IE will let ANYTHING through!
L1051[19:33:55] <Izaya> are you on 10?
L1052[19:34:03] <S3> yes
L1053[19:34:05] <S3> well, it's edge
L1054[19:34:08] <Izaya> that could be it
L1055[19:34:10] <S3> but I mean, microsoft lies
L1056[19:34:12] <Izaya> on 8.1 atm
L1057[19:34:18] <Izaya> edge is just updated IE
L1058[19:34:24] <S3> it's really just IE with a facelift and maybe some core upgrades
L1059[19:34:27] <Izaya> it sucks a bit less but it still sucks like IE
L1060[19:34:50] <S3> its definately not a new web browser alltogether
L1061[19:35:09] <Izaya> reuploaded, just for you https://my.mixtape.moe/wbpidc.webm
L1062[19:35:34] <S3> and they also renamed explorer render to like edgehtml or something
L1063[19:35:48] <S3> you didnr have to do that lol
L1064[19:38:24] <Izaya> >downloading at 60kb/s, 6 days left
L1065[19:38:27] <Izaya> D:
L1066[19:38:40] <Izaya> more peers pls
L1067[19:41:04] <CompanionCube> Izaya: wfm with regular firefox
L1068[19:41:18] <Izaya> ~magic~
L1069[19:41:26] <Izaya> Not on Windows 10, I imagine.
L1070[19:41:39] <S3> ooh
L1071[19:41:43] <Izaya> Oh, this is 720p with only japanese audio because I downloaded it as it was coming out, there's a dub out now too. Time to grab it in 1080p I guess.
L1072[19:41:47] <CompanionCube> Izaya: Linux 4.15.4 gentoo
L1073[19:41:53] <CompanionCube> :p
L1074[19:42:01] <Izaya> Guessed as much.
L1075[19:42:03] <Izaya> Huh.
L1076[19:42:14] <S3> Izaya: I have like 120 Mbit but what even is it?
L1077[19:42:20] <Izaya> Maybe I should install actual firefox
L1078[19:42:23] <S3> and like 10 Mbit up minimum
L1079[19:42:27] <Izaya> S3: the video I posted?
L1080[19:42:32] <S3> yeah
L1081[19:42:37] <S3> oh no I mean
L1082[19:42:41] <S3> the peers thing
L1083[19:42:45] <Izaya> oh
L1084[19:42:47] <S3> I looked at the video
L1085[19:42:57] <S3> that is cool stuff
L1086[19:43:11] <Izaya> I went to grab a new copy of Nagato Yuki-chan no Shoushitsu, because the copy I have is 720p hardsubbed with no english audio
L1087[19:43:24] <CompanionCube> it's like ONC RPC/NFS but in OC.
L1088[19:43:57] <Izaya> The new copy is rather bare on seeders with it being not overly popular and a few years old now.
L1089[19:44:15] <Izaya> CompanionCube: FRequest is like 80% just gopher
L1090[19:44:15] <MGR> Izaya, have you seen the new Eagle Eye bases?
L1091[19:44:26] <Izaya> I have not.
L1092[19:44:26] <MGR> http://tinyurl.com/y8ofv6el
L1093[19:44:47] <MGR> I recommend checking them out
L1094[19:45:07] <Izaya> Huh.
L1095[19:45:08] <MGR> I just uploaded a screenshot, but they're more impressive in person
L1096[19:45:09] <S3> if its seed starved then I dont think adding new seeders would help unless they already have the same unmodified file
L1097[19:45:15] <Izaya> I will next I play, I guess.
L1098[19:45:31] <Izaya> S3: tracker says 6 seeders but I'm only getting 3 :<
L1099[19:45:35] <S3> huh
L1100[19:45:48] <Izaya> also, d'you guys hear about utorrent getting banned from a lot of trackers?
L1101[19:45:56] <MGR> Izaya, if you @ me in here, I will log onto IRC and coordinate a visit if you want
L1102[19:45:59] <S3> firewall issue?
L1103[19:46:01] <MGR> I know where one is
L1104[19:46:03] <S3> on their part
L1105[19:46:17] <Izaya> I'll track one down, dw
L1106[19:46:25] <MGR> Ok
L1107[19:46:42] <Izaya> S3: nah, there was a significant security issue discovered, so a bunch of trackers, even some public ones, blanket banned utorrent
L1108[19:46:56] <Izaya> previously it was just versions newer than 2.2.1 IIRC
L1109[19:47:03] * Izaya hasn't used it in a long time
L1110[19:47:10] <S3> hwh
L1111[19:47:12] <S3> heh*
L1112[19:47:19] <Izaya> transmission-daemon ftw
L1113[19:47:25] <S3> I can't remembr if it was ctorrent or rtorrent that I really liked
L1114[19:47:35] <S3> maybe both
L1115[19:47:46] <Izaya> rtorrent is popular with people that have dedicated seedboxes
L1116[19:47:59] <S3> I like the simple command line ones
L1117[19:48:05] <S3> i almost think ctorrent is what I used more
L1118[19:49:24] <Izaya> I had a dream where I fixed the P2 box, I think I ended up finding my GeForce MX 4. I may just be loopy, as I have no idea where that thing went.
L1119[19:51:37] <Izaya> was this one with the fun heatsink http://images.esellerpro.com/2131/I/496/00/DCP_1698.JPG
L1120[19:52:39] <Izaya> I want to get Desqview/X working
L1121[19:57:53] <Saphire> Anyone wants to feel murder inducing rage?
L1122[19:57:54] <Saphire> https://www.asus.com/Gaming-Networking/RT-AC5300/
L1123[19:58:04] <Saphire> Behold! And despair.
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L1125[20:00:00] <Izaya> it's dumb but I don't see what's murder inducing about it
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L1127[20:00:47] <S3> PCI video right?
L1128[20:00:53] <S3> I don't remember what it was
L1129[20:01:00] <S3> or ISA?
L1130[20:01:19] <S3> I figure PCI, AGP seems a little too new for P2 for some reason..
L1131[20:01:23] <Saphire> Izaya: VPN
L1132[20:01:27] <CompanionCube> 'AiProtection with Trend Micro™ for triple-strength network security, plus robust Parental Controls and privacy protection.' 'Exclusive built-in game accelerator from WTFast® lets you enjoy smooth gameplay in supported multi-player online games.'
L1133[20:01:39] <Izaya> S3: board has AGP, PCI and ISA
L1134[20:01:40] <Mimiru> S3 that's an AGP card
L1135[20:01:41] <Saphire> WTFast should be just WTF
L1136[20:01:51] <Saphire> ITS A VPN FFS
L1137[20:01:54] <Saphire> THOSE ARE NOT FAST
L1138[20:01:57] <Izaya> Saphire: The concept isn't totally dumb tbh
L1139[20:01:59] <Saphire> Aaaaaaaaaaa q-q
L1140[20:02:09] <Saphire> Izaya: "to get rid of congested traffic"
L1141[20:02:13] <CompanionCube> Saphire: I was thinking 'it does shitty DPI/QoS tuned for gaming'
L1142[20:02:17] <Saphire> FFS THAT'S NOT HOW ANY OF IT WORKS
L1143[20:02:18] <Izaya> I've gotten better connections to games by tunneling over compressed ssh to a server closer to the game server
L1144[20:02:22] <Saphire> CompanionCube: it does THAT as well.
L1145[20:02:45] <Saphire> Izaya: eh... I have my doubts. Though compression might help, true.
L1146[20:03:07] <Saphire> But... It just.. the way they say that it "get rids of congested networking path"...
L1147[20:03:13] <Saphire> Uhhh. It bothers me.
L1148[20:03:27] <Izaya> when I was playing on vifino or Lizzy's servers I did that so I would be able to connect without timing out
L1149[20:03:41] <Izaya> Saphire: it's marketing
L1150[20:03:48] <Izaya> it's gamer stuff
L1151[20:03:49] <Izaya> ignore it
L1152[20:04:04] <Izaya> the hardware is nice even if it's p. dumb
L1153[20:04:06] <CompanionCube> might be semi-useful if you can trick it into being a general proxy
L1154[20:04:21] <Izaya> if it can run OpenWRT it'd be p. nice
L1155[20:05:13] <Izaya> I think I'd prefer the WRT54GL successor with 5Ghz and gigabit ethernet and shit though
L1156[20:05:40] <Ristelle> Morning
L1157[20:05:46] <Izaya> Afternoon
L1158[20:06:26] <Mimiru> Evening
L1159[20:06:53] <Izaya> Why is there not a word for the time between midnight and 5AM like there is for 5PM through midnight?
L1160[20:07:23] <Ristelle> Todo list: Fix Discord webhooks
L1161[20:07:23] <Ristelle> Continue work on optimisations on OCRCNT
L1162[20:07:38] <Izaya> OCRCNT?
L1163[20:07:50] <Izaya> Optical character recognition? :D
L1164[20:08:19] <Saphire> OC remote computer network? IDK
L1165[20:08:40] <Izaya> "Windows Explorer has stopped working" Excellent.
L1166[20:09:09] <Ristelle> https://github.com/GlobalEmpire/OC-Programs/tree/master/Programs/OCRCNT
L1167[20:09:42] <Izaya> Huh.
L1168[20:09:45] <Izaya> Interesting.
L1169[20:11:52] <Izaya> Saphire: "Download Asus Router" You wouldn't download a router...
L1170[20:12:46] <Izaya> that reminds me I have some 108Mbps wireless card here, I need to use that at some point :|
L1171[20:12:54] <Izaya> I wonder if MS-DOS would cope with it.
L1172[20:13:39] <Izaya> Apparently not :<
L1173[20:13:42] <Saphire> Izaya: Actually... you can downloada router... OS.
L1174[20:13:53] <Izaya> aye
L1175[20:13:53] <Saphire> You need to install it somewhere ofc.
L1176[20:14:07] <Izaya> The way it's said though, sounds like you're downloading the hardware
L1177[20:14:18] <Izaya> I feel like Asus didn't get this translated too well
L1178[20:17:25] <CompanionCube> Saphire: heh, mikrotik's literal RouterOS comes to mind
L1179[20:18:19] <Izaya> wait what Crispin Freeman was the VA for Shizuo?
L1180[20:19:48] * Izaya squints
L1181[20:20:06] <Izaya> This sounds v. different
L1182[20:20:31] <Izaya> Sounds gravelly compared to other stuff
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L1184[20:33:50] <MGR> Saphire, I have that router
L1185[20:33:53] <MGR> I like it
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L1187[20:34:07] <Izaya> does it support nonstandard firmware
L1188[20:34:14] <MGR> The Asus RT-AC5300 that is
L1189[20:34:32] <MGR> Izaya, no idea, and I don't want to find out
L1190[20:34:38] <Izaya> How boring.
L1191[20:34:41] <Saphire> Ehhh
L1192[20:34:57] <MGR> I'm not risking bricking it when it costs that much
L1193[20:36:09] <Izaya> Doesn't list a price on the page, but considering it's gamer-focused it must be at least 4x the price of comparable gear
L1194[20:36:24] <MGR> Actually no
L1195[20:36:41] <MGR> The comparable Netgear router was more when I bought it
L1196[20:36:44] <Izaya> Huh, you can run DD-WRT on it.
L1197[20:37:07] <Izaya> Not quite OpenWRT but better than nothing.
L1198[20:37:10] <MGR> I bought it mostly for the non gamer features
L1199[20:37:26] <Izaya> jhc
L1200[20:37:34] <Izaya> that router costs more than my desktop
L1201[20:37:47] <Izaya> it better turn water into wine or something
L1202[20:37:49] <MGR> Your desktop cost $300?
L1203[20:38:17] <Izaya> Somewhere between 300 and 400, with lots of donated parts.
L1204[20:38:23] <MGR> Yeah
L1205[20:38:33] <MGR> It's worth more than 300 though
L1206[20:38:51] * Izaya hmms
L1207[20:39:10] <MGR> Well, I Audi until tomorrow
L1208[20:39:16] <Izaya> Maybe I'll do something about the networking situation when we switch over to VDSL
L1209[20:39:36] <Izaya> It'd be nice to have a pfsense router with 2 or 3 wireless cards
L1210[20:39:48] <Izaya> Too bad you don't get cheap ARM boards with PCI or PCI-e slots.
L1211[20:45:21] <CompanionCube> that requires you obtaining a VDSL modem
L1212[20:45:47] <CompanionCube> they're not exactly common :p
L1213[20:46:43] <Izaya> ISP will provide one
L1214[20:46:48] <Izaya> well, a combined modem+router
L1215[20:46:56] <Izaya> provided I can stick it in bridge mode I'm happy
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L1218[21:18:07] <CompanionCube> ha. don't hold your breath.
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L1234[22:18:05] <Ristelle> Numpy is giving me a fking headache
L1235[22:24:49] <Arcan> numpy?
L1236[22:32:22] <S3> Izaya: looks like I didn't read.
L1237[22:32:28] <S3> it was OpenDNS that blocked it :D
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L1239[22:32:34] <Izaya> :D
L1240[22:32:41] <S3> now I have to find another nice fast set of DNS servers..
L1241[22:32:46] <S3> that ARENT google
L1242[22:32:56] <Izaya> 9.9.9.9 is IBM I think
L1243[22:33:04] <S3> with new IPs to memorize
L1244[22:33:12] <S3> hm
L1245[22:33:53] <S3> ibm also has anti threat stuff
L1246[22:33:56] <S3> apparently
L1247[22:34:03] <S3> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/20/quad9_secure_private_dns_resolver/
L1248[22:34:10] <S3> oh yeah I have a cool link:
L1249[22:34:53] <S3> you may have seen it: https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorvalds/posts/PeFp4zYWY46
L1250[22:35:41] <CompanionCube> is that the one where linus chews out the amdfails people
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L1252[22:45:32] <Izaya> https://www.cio.com/article/2868393/linus-torvalds-apples-hfs-is-probably-the-worst-file-system-ever.html
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L1256[23:04:04] <Arcan> RIP stephen hawking 2018 https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/mar/14/stephen-hawking-professor-dies-aged-76
L1257[23:04:55] <Kodos> No words
L1258[23:04:59] <Izaya> oh shit
L1259[23:06:19] <Ristelle> YES
L1260[23:06:25] <Ristelle> IT BARELY BREAKS 60FPS
L1261[23:06:31] <Ristelle> GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME
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L1264[23:17:23] <S3> wait what
L1265[23:17:29] <S3> stephen hawking just died
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L1269[23:23:00] <Arcan> S3: apparently
L1270[23:25:43] <Temia> Yeah.
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L1272[23:28:13] <S3> IMPOSSIBLE
L1273[23:28:20] <S3> stephen king the immortal
L1274[23:30:42] <Temia> No, Hawking.
L1275[23:30:59] <Temia> I'm pretty sure Stephen King is still alive.
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