L1[00:02:58] <Izaya> I was reading scared as
sacred and was wondering what was so special about that particular
turtle
L2[00:03:26] 
<KoxFox>
kek
<KoxFox>
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L5[01:38:35] <Sparky>
Hello
<Sparky>
HelloL6[01:45:48] <ben_mkiv> %welcome
L7[01:46:27] <Forecaster>
%hello
<Forecaster>
%helloL8[01:46:27] <MichiBot> Hello! Welcome to
#oc! The one and only opencomputers channel! Please ask your
questions directly (dont ask to ask) and provide error/code
examples! (Use pastebin.com if theyre more than one line!) Dont
mind the random conversation you might have walked into.
L9[01:47:10] <Forecaster>
I guess I should change that to say channel/server
<Forecaster>
I guess I should change that to say channel/serverL10[01:52:01] <Sparky> Oh,
you must be on IRC
<Sparky> Oh,
you must be on IRCL11[01:52:02] <Sparky> Any
ways
<Sparky> Any
waysL12[01:52:19] <Sparky>
I've been learning Ruby, should I be about to pick up LUA and OC
fairly easily?
<Sparky>
I've been learning Ruby, should I be about to pick up LUA and OC
fairly easily?L13[01:52:19] <MichiBot> Lua*
L14[01:52:39] <dequbed> Thanks MichiBot!
:D
L15[01:53:22] <Sparky>
LUA
<Sparky>
LUAL16[01:53:22] <MichiBot> It's Lua, not LUA.
Name not an acronym.
L17[01:53:28] <Sparky>
?
<Sparky>
?L18[01:54:12] <dequbed> EnderBot used to be
the one anal about that. Nice to see MichiBot stepped up to the job
:D
L19[01:55:26] *
AshIndigo pets Michibot
L20[01:55:58] <AshIndigo> :\ was that
removed or did i do it wrong?
L21[01:56:09] <Sparky>
Sooo yeah, if I can learn Ruby I should be able to learn Lua?
<Sparky>
Sooo yeah, if I can learn Ruby I should be able to learn Lua?L22[01:57:04] <AshIndigo> I think so
L23[01:57:20] <Sparky> Is
everyone on IRC?
<Sparky> Is
everyone on IRC?L24[01:57:36] <dequbed> Sparky: Lua is a
very simple programming language. Also no, but they *should* be
:P
L25[01:58:13] <dequbed> If you have done
any programming before you will be able to pick up Lua quickly. The
most important thing to know: It starts counting at 1.
L26[01:58:26] <Sparky>
Ruby starts counting at 0
<Sparky>
Ruby starts counting at 0L27[01:58:41] <dequbed> That's why I'm
telling you. Basically all programming languages start at 0.
L28[02:01:45] <Sparky> ?
Right. So in Ruby, I can define hashes by doing something like:
values = {value1 = x; value2 = y} - does Lua have similar
functionality?
<Sparky> ?
Right. So in Ruby, I can define hashes by doing something like:
values = {value1 = x; value2 = y} - does Lua have similar
functionality?L29[02:02:41] <Izaya> t = {a =
"b", c = "d"}
L30[02:02:47] <dequbed> Sparky: I'd suggest
reading the Lua manual. That will be less painful than asking about
everything Lua can offer: https://www.lua.org/manual/5.3/
L31[02:03:11] <Izaya> ^
L32[02:04:56] <Sparky> I'm
pretty excited about learning programming, but I'm not sure if I
should dive into learning 2 seperate languages in parallel
<Sparky> I'm
pretty excited about learning programming, but I'm not sure if I
should dive into learning 2 seperate languages in parallelL33[02:06:12] <dequbed> Sparky: I never had
too much of a problem with that, a lot of concepts to transfer -
the syntax however seldomly does.
L34[02:06:30] <dequbed> s/concepts
to/concepts do/
L35[02:06:30] <MichiBot> <dequbed>
Sparky: I never had too much of a problem with that, a lot of
concepts do transfer - the syntax however seldomly does.
L36[02:07:11] <Sparky> I'm
very new with scripting/coding ?
<Sparky> I'm
very new with scripting/coding ?L37[02:08:03] <Saphire> Hi
L38[02:23:54] <Forecaster>
AshIndigo those responses are disabled because of some issues
<Forecaster>
AshIndigo those responses are disabled because of some issuesL39[02:24:24] <Forecaster>
Also I am on both IRC and Discord
<Forecaster>
Also I am on both IRC and DiscordL40[02:24:30] <AshIndigo> Aww
L41[02:24:54] <Forecaster>
but I rarely ever connect to IRC these days
<Forecaster>
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L46[04:23:21] <MichiBot> Sun Nov 12
12:15:58 CST 2017 @giphz: PING:999 https://t.co/12ElJW5Bxi
L47[04:23:30] <Forecaster>
inari payonel
<Forecaster>
inari payonelL48[05:03:49] ⇨
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L50[05:26:42] <Inari> payonel: Hm
L51[05:26:53] <Inari> So I only have a
single top level module now and it has no sub modules xD
L52[05:27:01] <Inari> I guess I do have to
import the gradle project once?
L54[05:27:20] <MichiBot> Sun Nov 12
12:15:58 CST 2017 @giphz: PING:999 https://t.co/12ElJW5Bxi
L55[05:27:23] <Inari> Since the steps on
the wiki don't mention that
L56[05:28:02] <Inari> @Forecaster cute
:D
L57[05:30:21] <Izaya> https://i.imgur.com/MB95jU8.jpg kodi is pretty, and
for once it uses stupid amounts of empty space in place you
should
L58[05:31:37] <Forecaster>
like where?
<Forecaster>
like where?L59[05:31:48] <Izaya> (that is to say, on a
big screen you're far away from)
L60[05:31:56] <Forecaster>
ah
<Forecaster>
ahL61[05:32:05] <Forecaster>
I may have to try that
<Forecaster>
I may have to try thatL62[05:33:27] <Izaya> been using it on my
HTPC for a while
L63[05:34:05] <Forecaster>
I used to use SMBC a long time ago, but it wasn't great
unfortunately
<Forecaster>
I used to use SMBC a long time ago, but it wasn't great
unfortunatelyL64[05:34:44] <Izaya> saturday morning
breakfast cereal?
L65[05:35:14] <Izaya> (XMBC?)
L66[05:35:28] <Forecaster>
that, yes :P
<Forecaster>
that, yes :PL67[05:36:19] <Forecaster>
actually, it's XBMC
<Forecaster>
actually, it's XBMCL68[05:36:27] <Izaya> that, yes :P
L69[05:36:42] <Forecaster>
and apparently they also made Kodi...
<Forecaster>
and apparently they also made Kodi...L70[05:36:43] <Forecaster>
huh
<Forecaster>
huhL71[05:36:57] <Izaya> XBMC turned into Kodi
eventually
L72[05:37:16] <Forecaster>
I hope it doesn't suffer from the same issues still
<Forecaster>
I hope it doesn't suffer from the same issues stillL73[05:37:21] <Forecaster>
that I can't remember
<Forecaster>
that I can't rememberL74[05:38:03] <Izaya> I had a bunch of
issues with the hardware I was using, but that's just because the
BIOS hates GRUB
L75[05:44:57] <Inari> Oh Progress
L76[05:45:15] <Inari> [12:44:28] [Client
thread/ERROR] [FML]: Caught exception from MrTJPCoreMod
L77[05:45:15] <Inari>
java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:
codechicken/lib/packet/PacketCustom$ICustomPacketHandler
L78[05:45:15] <Inari> at
mrtjp.core.handler.MrTJPCoreMod$.preInit(mod.scala:27)
~[MrTJPCore-1.7.10-1.0.8.16-dev.jar:?]
L79[05:46:13] <Inari> I guess I'll have to
set mrtjpcore to "Provided" too
L80[05:46:14] <Forecaster>
progress in programming is a different thing breaking :D
<Forecaster>
progress in programming is a different thing breaking :DL81[05:46:17] <Inari> Despite it not being
in the list
L82[05:46:32] <Inari> Well at least its a
new error, one that might mare more sense :P
L83[05:48:39] <Inari> It launched!
L84[05:50:38] <Inari> Now to figure out how
to get to the source files :P
L85[05:51:26] <Inari> Hmm I see
L86[05:53:35] <Forecaster>
an epic quest to the forest of doom?
<Forecaster>
an epic quest to the forest of doom?L87[05:53:54] <Inari> Not sure what that
reference is :p
L88[05:56:49] <Forecaster>
it's not a reference
<Forecaster>
it's not a referenceL89[06:01:08] ⇨
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L90[06:01:08] <WatchtowerOrator> Time for a
new episode from Forecaster! You're welcome!
L91[06:01:08] <WatchtowerOrator> https://youtu.be/qR_DhAtsZHg - RailcraftLP [Episode
58] - Dial 2 for sun
L92[06:01:08] <WatchtowerOrator> Tags on
this video:
javascript,php,tan,seasons,weather,programming,opencomputers
L93[06:01:08] <MichiBot> RailcraftLP-
[Episode 58] - Dial 2 for sun | length: 34m 24s | Likes:
0 Dislikes: 0 Views: 0 | by Forecaster |
Published On 13/11/2017
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L100[07:10:38] <Inari> ~oc
components
L101[07:10:38] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/components
L102[07:11:40] <Inari> Why do I have to
modify like 10 different areas of code to add an item
L103[07:11:41] <Inari> ;-;
L104[07:11:55] <Inari> Well, add a
card
L105[07:14:09] <Forecaster>
barrier of entry? :P
<Forecaster>
barrier of entry? :PL106[07:14:14] ⇦
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L109[07:15:43] <Inari> More like being a
pain :P
L110[07:15:56] <Inari> Not that there
seems to be a good way to find all the spots you need to change
either
L111[07:16:16] <Temia> mooooo .o.
L112[07:16:21] *
Temia flops over. stupid cough
L113[07:17:11] <Forecaster>
Inari look at computronics or something?
<Forecaster>
Inari look at computronics or something?L114[07:17:15] <Forecaster>
it has cards
<Forecaster>
it has cardsL115[07:17:33] <Inari> Yeah but still,
theres like 8 things in completely different raeas of code you have
to do o.o
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L117[07:17:34] <Forecaster>
and may be better structured than OC itself
<Forecaster>
and may be better structured than OC itselfL118[07:17:51] <Forecaster>
coughs are never fun
<Forecaster>
coughs are never funL119[07:18:47] <Inari> Oh well I seem to
have got it working now :P
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L123[07:25:12] <Forecaster>
it does things!
<Forecaster>
it does things!L125[07:25:13] <MichiBot> XKCD Comic Name:
Nightmare Email Feature Posted on: 11/13/2017
L126[07:34:03] <Forecaster>
I just found an online store that sells spinning tops made out of
pure metal of various types
<Forecaster>
I just found an online store that sells spinning tops made out of
pure metal of various typesL127[07:34:06] <Forecaster>
there's a gold one
<Forecaster>
there's a gold oneL129[07:34:58] <Forecaster>
it's not the most expensive one
<Forecaster>
it's not the most expensive oneL130[07:35:08] <Inari> Thats pretty
cheap
L131[07:35:42] <Forecaster>
the most expensive one is one made out of tungsten, at 195
usd
<Forecaster>
the most expensive one is one made out of tungsten, at 195
usdL132[07:37:03] <Forecaster>
cheapest is the aluminium one at $34
<Forecaster>
cheapest is the aluminium one at $34L133[07:38:28] <Forecaster>
ah, the gold ones are only plated it seems
<Forecaster>
ah, the gold ones are only plated it seemsL134[07:39:37] <dequbed> Forecaster: With
a price of $41 per gram gold, yes yes they are.
L135[07:41:01] <Inari> Makes sense
:P
L136[07:41:06] <Inari> I was wondering why
its so cheap haha
L137[07:41:44] <Forecaster>
tripple-plated, but still
<Forecaster>
tripple-plated, but stillL138[07:43:42] <dequbed> Inari: Most of
the price on any of them will be labour. Tungsten by itself is very
cheap but a completely bitch to work with. Aluminium on the other
hand is very easy to work with.
L139[07:45:33] <S3> Forecaster: The best
top I've ever had that spun longer than any other top I've eer
found was hand carved by a shaker (They're like amish kinda)
L140[07:45:45] <S3> It was made of
wood
L141[07:58:34] <Izaya> http://moonlight-stream.com/
L142[07:59:49] <Forecaster>
I've never really understood game streaming
<Forecaster>
I've never really understood game streamingL143[07:59:59] <Forecaster>
why not just install the game on multiple devices
<Forecaster>
why not just install the game on multiple devicesL144[08:00:43] <Izaya> I mean, my HTPC has
a GT710, my desktop has a 690. I can run a lot more games on my
desktop but enjoy them on the couch.
L145[08:03:49] <Forecaster>
I guess there's an advantage of using the desktop for the
processing but sending the rendered frames somewhere else
<Forecaster>
I guess there's an advantage of using the desktop for the
processing but sending the rendered frames somewhere elseL146[08:04:01] <Forecaster>
but can't there be latency between I/O?
<Forecaster>
but can't there be latency between I/O?L147[08:04:11] <Izaya> over 10/100 I don't
notice it
L148[08:04:19] <Izaya> though I'm hardly
playing rocket league or CS:GO
L149[08:04:27] <Izaya> it's stuff like FO4
and Skyrim
L150[08:05:11] <Forecaster>
I don't have a media center at home, just my desktop :P
<Forecaster>
I don't have a media center at home, just my desktop :PL151[08:05:49] <Forecaster>
I do have a media pc at my girlfriends apartment, but I don't think
streaming games to that over the internet would work out very
well
<Forecaster>
I do have a media pc at my girlfriends apartment, but I don't think
streaming games to that over the internet would work out very
wellL152[08:05:56] <Izaya> HTPC is built out
of what I had laying around
L153[08:06:17] <Izaya> Core 2 Duo
something shitty, 2GB of DDR2, a 40GB IDE hard drive and a
GT710
L154[08:06:24] <Izaya> all in a low
profile case shoved behind the TV
L155[08:06:46] <Forecaster>
and it has an i5 so it mostly handles couch-co-op games fine
<Forecaster>
and it has an i5 so it mostly handles couch-co-op games fineL156[08:07:13] <Forecaster>
I had one with an i3 at first, but it didn't like the physics-based
games
<Forecaster>
I had one with an i3 at first, but it didn't like the physics-based
gamesL157[08:07:32] <Izaya> I really need
something better than an i3 for my desktop :|
L158[08:07:44] <Izaya> tfw haswell refresh
is worthless
L159[08:08:03] <Izaya> anyway
L160[08:08:06] <Izaya> moonlight
thingy
L161[08:08:11] <Izaya> I can stream games
to my phone
L162[08:08:14] <Izaya> so I can be even
lazier
L163[08:08:23] <Izaya> even though that'll
probably be cancer over wifi even at 900p
L164[08:08:25] <Forecaster>
it's an HP ProDesk or something
<Forecaster>
it's an HP ProDesk or somethingL165[08:08:30] <Forecaster>
very small form-factor
<Forecaster>
very small form-factorL166[08:08:45] <Forecaster>
it's the size of a router
<Forecaster>
it's the size of a routerL167[08:08:48] <Izaya> We have these tiny
qt HP desktops at work
L168[08:08:59] <Izaya> they're probably
mITX but they're so small :3
L169[08:09:10] <Izaya> half-decent 900
series nvidia cards in them too
L170[08:09:25] <Forecaster>
I don't know the specs of it beyond the i5
<Forecaster>
I don't know the specs of it beyond the i5L171[08:09:33] <Forecaster>
I expect it'll burn sooner or later though from physics games
<Forecaster>
I expect it'll burn sooner or later though from physics gamesL172[08:09:34] <Forecaster>
:P
<Forecaster>
:PL173[08:09:39] <Izaya> hey, if it works,
it works
L175[08:10:30] <Forecaster>
onna those
<Forecaster>
onna thoseL176[08:11:08] <Izaya> :D it's so
tiny
L177[08:11:13] <Forecaster>
I'm not too concerned, since I didn't pay anything for it :P
<Forecaster>
I'm not too concerned, since I didn't pay anything for it :PL178[08:11:23] <Izaya> I want one :3
L179[08:11:31] <Forecaster>
once it's run it's course I'll get a new better one probably
<Forecaster>
once it's run it's course I'll get a new better one probablyL180[08:11:36] <Forecaster>
the newer models look sleek
<Forecaster>
the newer models look sleekL181[08:11:40] <Izaya> Wonder if they make
ones with Atom CPUs and two ethernet ports...
L182[08:14:18] <Forecaster>
apparently they've got an intergrated AMD Radeon™ HD
<Forecaster>
apparently they've got an intergrated AMD Radeon™ HDL183[08:14:24] <Forecaster>
as the gpu
<Forecaster>
as the gpuL184[08:15:01] <Forecaster>
also it only has Display Port, so I had to get a DP => HDMI
adapter to use it
<Forecaster>
also it only has Display Port, so I had to get a DP => HDMI
adapter to use itL185[08:15:49] <Izaya> that's
annoying
L186[08:15:53] <Izaya> VGA would be a real
pain
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L188[08:16:30] <Forecaster>
it was a minor hurdle really
<Forecaster>
it was a minor hurdle reallyL189[08:16:38] <Forecaster>
fortunately DP outputs sound as well
<Forecaster>
fortunately DP outputs sound as wellL190[08:16:56] <Izaya> [the one place
where that's a feature]
L191[08:18:13] <Forecaster>
I was afraid I might have to connect sound separately if it
didn't
<Forecaster>
I was afraid I might have to connect sound separately if it
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L193[08:20:42] <Izaya> our TV only has VGA
and composite for video and RCA for audio
L194[08:21:25] <Forecaster>
:P
<Forecaster>
:PL195[08:21:57] <Izaya> it's also reverse
projection, refuses to turn on if it's cold and at least as old as
me
L196[08:22:35] <Forecaster>
that sounds inconvenient :P
<Forecaster>
that sounds inconvenient :PL197[08:23:12] <Izaya> Eh, it fits the
rest of everything we own
L198[08:23:37] <Izaya> Better than the
last one - 16" CRT with built in VHS player/recorder
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L201[08:36:28] <Forecaster>
that's way too many
<Forecaster>
that's way too manyL202[08:37:02]
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L204[08:42:42] <Temia> I feel dirty using
HDMI, but I have to use both onboard and discrete graphics due to
my system's configuration and the monitors only take DVI and HDMI
.-.
L205[08:44:08] <Forecaster>
why's it dirty?
<Forecaster>
why's it dirty?L206[08:44:28] <Inari> https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBattlefront/comments/7cff0b/seriously_i_paid_80_to_have_vader_locked/dppum98/
those downvotes on the first reply ;D
L207[08:44:40] *
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L208[08:45:29] <Temia> HDMI just feels
so... hodge-podge once I dig into the particulars, is all :x
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L210[08:46:07] <Forecaster>
I see
<Forecaster>
I seeL211[09:01:00] <Michiyo> http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6789806109.png
So this happened this morning \o/
L212[09:03:34] <Kodos>
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBattlefront/comments/7cff0b/seriously_i_paid_80_to_have_vader_locked/dppum98/?context=3
<Kodos>
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBattlefront/comments/7cff0b/seriously_i_paid_80_to_have_vader_locked/dppum98/?context=3L213[09:04:05] <Kodos>
287000+ downvotes
<Kodos>
287000+ downvotesL214[09:04:21] <Temia> -289k now
L215[09:04:56] <Temia> This shitshow is
hilarious, it's like every redditor is coming by to piss on
it.
L216[09:05:02] *
Temia sips coffee =w=
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L218[09:27:09] <Inari> Hrm
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L220[09:36:54] <Forecaster>
"hrm" is just missing two letters to become
"harem"
<Forecaster>
"hrm" is just missing two letters to become
"harem"L221[09:37:02] <Forecaster>
can you tell that I'm bored?
<Forecaster>
can you tell that I'm bored?L222[09:37:12] <S3> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_uH4LON8WU&feature=youtu.be
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L224[09:37:15] <Inari> Haha
L225[09:37:27] <S3> live streaming safari!
lol
L226[09:37:29] <Inari> I'm trying to
figure out how to handel rightclick on floppies, since
FileSystemLIke overrides that...
L227[09:37:38] <S3> a while ago they were
watchin cheetahs
L228[09:38:19] <S3> oh cool baby
lions
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L239[10:58:53] <Sparky>
Wait a minute....
<Sparky>
Wait a minute....L240[10:59:08] <Sparky>
Could I install linux onto a computer in MC?
<Sparky>
Could I install linux onto a computer in MC?L241[11:12:29] <Inari> Depends
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L243[11:15:49] <Inari> If you write a
linux in Lua. Or you could compile linux to 6502 and use
Thistle
L244[11:16:01] <Saphire> Inari: MIPS Linux
though
L245[11:16:09] <Inari> Or that
L246[11:16:14] <Inari> If the MIPs arch
ever got working
L247[11:16:15] <Inari> :P
L248[11:25:25] <S3> then you could run N64
on it
L249[11:25:35] <S3> :>
L250[11:35:56] <Sparky>
Also, is the only GUI OS for OC that russian one?
<Sparky>
Also, is the only GUI OS for OC that russian one?L251[11:36:15] <AshIndigo> does oc really
need a gui os though?
L252[11:36:47] <Sparky> No,
but its pretty dang cool
<Sparky> No,
but its pretty dang coolL253[11:37:34] <Inari> Bleeeeeh why you no
render like I want to :<
L254[11:37:44] <Vexatos> Inari, we had
Linux on BTM 16.1
L255[11:37:52] <Vexatos> no wait, on
16.2
L256[11:37:58] <Inari> How that
L257[11:38:02] <Vexatos> on MIPS
L258[11:38:06] <Inari> Ah
L259[11:38:22] <Inari> MC's UI system si
werid
L260[11:38:23] <Inari> :|
L261[11:39:15] <gamax92> Vexatos: it
actually worked? I thought it was just at the can't find root and
panic stage
L262[11:40:12] <Vexatos> I have no clue
:P
L263[11:40:26] <Vexatos> I just remember
seeing an ASCII tux
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L265[11:48:08] <gamax92> so probably not
then
L266[11:53:38] <payonel> Izaya: o/
L267[11:54:29] <gamax92> Vexatos: I'm like
super not hyped for BTM this time
L268[11:55:02] <Vexatos> welp :P
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L270[11:55:48] <dequbed> payonel: Shhhh,
you'll wake him up! D:
L271[12:06:13] <payonel> oh i think it's
5AM for Izaya
L272[12:25:27] <Inari> Someone explain to
me how MC UI works :P
L273[12:26:03] <AmandaC> Inari: hacks
piled onto hacks piled onto hacks
L274[12:26:31] <dequbed> bolted on to a
botchjob.
L275[12:26:36] <AmandaC> Inari: what're
you doing, anyway?
L276[12:26:42] <Inari> Floppy Disks
L277[12:26:47] <Inari> Or trying to
L278[12:26:52] <AmandaC> What about
them?
L279[12:26:53] <AshIndigo> what about
them?
L280[12:26:58] <Inari> The labelling UI
:P
L281[12:27:33] <AmandaC> What about
it?
L282[12:27:38] *
AmandaC hides
L283[12:27:46] <AshIndigo> does labelling
rename the item like an anvil?
L284[12:27:49] <Inari> Well I can't seem
to draw the write-protect button without it being wrongly
sized
L285[12:29:13] <AshIndigo> like off a few
pixels or off by its super tiny or big?
L286[12:29:39] <Inari> Too big
L287[12:29:55] <Inari> Despite trying to
use the smae code as the overall window uses
L288[12:29:58] <Inari> It seems a
different scale
L289[12:29:59] <Inari> xD
L290[12:31:28] <AshIndigo> code?
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L292[12:31:43] *
AshIndigo wonders if he'll actually be able to notice anything
off
L293[12:34:00] <Inari> https://gist.github.com/Inari-Whitebear/352b70591ade44214edff0b28309e55e
first file is my drawing code
L294[12:34:09] <Inari> Second file is what
window.scala uses - which draws the window
L295[12:38:20] <S3> Inari: Think I should
get back to work on my old OC OS?
L296[12:38:31] <Inari> Why ask me D:
L297[12:38:36] <S3> I dunno
L298[12:38:40] <S3> for the reaction
L299[12:39:01] <payonel> S3: i added
something last night to ocvm that might help os dev
L300[12:39:08] <AshIndigo> whats your
scale set to?
L301[12:39:29] <Inari> I've not set it to
anything
L302[12:40:07] <Inari> Neither does
Window.scala seem to
L303[12:41:49] <S3> payonel: did
you?
L304[12:41:56] <S3> I have only ever used
ocemu, what's ocvm like?
L305[12:42:11] <payonel> S3: not a
debugger...that i started to build and it got really crazy
fast
L306[12:42:26] <payonel> S3: nah, the new
feature is just better "kernel panic" output
L307[12:42:31] <S3> is it like what I
wanted to do and just run lua wrappers to get the code to work in a
terminal?
L308[12:42:50] <AshIndigo> did you
breakpoint imgWidth and imgHeight and see what they are?
L309[12:42:59] <payonel> S3: yeah, ocvm is
fully a terminal application that
L310[12:43:07] <Inari> 48/88. Window also
has the same values
L311[12:43:11] <S3> huh
L312[12:43:13] <payonel> -that
L313[12:43:34] <AshIndigo> hm
L314[12:44:04] <S3> cd ocvm &&
gmake
L315[12:44:06] <S3> oops
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L317[12:45:24] <S3> whee tons of compile
errors
L318[12:45:35] <S3> probably lua library
linking related as USUAL..
L319[12:45:36] <payonel> S3: what is your
host os?
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L321[12:46:00] <S3> this is on Slackware
Linux, I guarantee you I just don't have Lua libraries
installed
L322[12:46:07] <CompanionCube> S3: huh,
slackware?
L323[12:46:10] <Xal> install gentoo
L324[12:46:11] <gamax92> S3 uses
Haiku
L325[12:46:12] <S3> because
model/config.cpp:75:30: error: 'LUA_OK' was not declared in this
scope
L326[12:46:14] <CompanionCube> weren't you
a freebsd person?
L327[12:46:22] <gamax92> S3 was a FreeBSD
person
L328[12:46:22] <S3> I do use FreeBSD
yes
L329[12:46:30] <gamax92> gave me shit for
complex numbers with ocemu
L330[12:46:36] <S3> I use both BSD and
Linux, but when I do use Linux, I use Slackware.
L331[12:46:46] <S3> it's one of the most
unobtrusive dists
L332[12:46:53] <CompanionCube> gamax92: if
you want I can give you more shit by trying to build ocemu on
openindiana :p
L333[12:47:03] <S3> CompanionCube:
rofl
L334[12:47:08] <S3> isn't that.. the open
solaris fork?
L335[12:47:25] <payonel> S3: i need to add
a build option to specify lua by path
L336[12:47:26] <AshIndigo> what if you
double the size of the main gui?
L337[12:47:27] <CompanionCube> S3: it's an
illumos distro yes
L338[12:47:42] <S3> payonel: Lua in
general is a pita to set up anyways
L339[12:47:48] <S3> it's nothing to do
with your project
L340[12:48:04] <payonel> sure, but my
project isn't very cross platform friendly
L341[12:48:12] <payonel> well, most of it
is
L342[12:48:13] <S3> what'd you build it
on?
L343[12:48:14] <payonel> but the lua part
isn't
L344[12:48:21] <payonel> i use gentoo and
ubuntu
L345[12:48:26] <S3> itl work
L346[12:48:31] <Xal> payonel: why
both
L347[12:48:35] <S3> I heven't set up Lua
on this system yet
L348[12:48:42] <payonel> depends if i'm on
my laptop, or remote to my server
L349[12:48:46] <payonel> Xal: ^
L350[12:48:50] <gamax92> Lua is a pita to
setup?
L351[12:48:56] <payonel> and given that
ocvm is a pure terminal application, it works over ssh
L352[12:48:59] <S3> gamax92: particularly
pkg config
L353[12:49:13] <gamax92> https://github.com/adriancable/8086tiny
L354[12:49:17] <S3> gamax92: the problem
is pkg config packagers make really shitty random pc files
L355[12:49:29] <S3> and lua is in
different pkg config files all over the place
L356[12:49:33] <S3> and then you wonder
why shit breaks
L357[12:49:44] <S3> of course fortunately
payonell isn't using at
L358[12:49:49] <S3> so pc isn't much of a
problem
L359[12:49:55] <S3> I just gotta make sure
Lua is where it expects it
L360[12:49:56] <gamax92> S3
L361[12:50:20] <Xal> gentoo slotting is a
lifesaver when it comes to lua
L362[12:50:40] <S3> I dislike Gentoo for
using Python tools :P
L363[12:51:05] <Xal> I'm not a huge fan of
python, but writing the package manager in a user-visible language
makes sense
L364[12:51:05] <S3> and sabayon made it
even worse!
L365[12:51:18] <S3> I agree, but it's slow
and inefficient as shit
L366[12:51:23] <Xal> one day I'll make the
jump to guix
L367[12:51:46] <Xal> the gnu project is
like a fusion between lisp machines and unix
L368[12:51:46] <CompanionCube> Xal: does
your hardware work with guix
L369[12:51:51] <Xal> and they complement
each other very well
L370[12:52:00] <CompanionCube> lord knows
mine doesn't
L371[12:52:02] <Xal> I want to run e m a c
s os
L372[12:52:30] <S3> oh that's the
problem
L373[12:52:33] <S3> payonel: IS using
pc
L374[12:52:35] <S3> but that's ok
L375[12:52:38] <S3> I'ma fix this
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L378[12:53:02] <peaceoops>
So.... the recipe for the navigation card in my modpack requires an
"Uncraftable Potion"... I... how do I craft the
uncraftable!?
<peaceoops>
So.... the recipe for the navigation card in my modpack requires an
"Uncraftable Potion"... I... how do I craft the
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L382[12:53:40] <AshIndigo> press r with it
on nei/jei!
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L384[12:53:46] <payonel> S3: i just pushed
a tiny make file improvement
L385[12:53:58] <S3> oh?
L386[12:54:08] <payonel> S3: in case your
lua pkg isn't 5.2 or 5.3, but something custom named, you can use
`make lua=custom_lua_name`
L387[12:54:20] <S3> oh that is nice
L388[12:54:25] <S3> that really helps with
pc problems..
L389[12:54:34] <peaceoops>
AshIndigo: lmao, I know how to use JEI... there's no recipe for
it.
<peaceoops>
AshIndigo: lmao, I know how to use JEI... there's no recipe for
it.L390[12:54:46] <payonel> S3: it'll invoke
`pkg-config lua$(lua)`
L391[12:54:53] <payonel> where $(lua) is
the value you give to make
L392[12:54:56] <S3> I really wish that pc
was replaced with something better.. but what even would be better?
XD
L393[12:54:59] <AshIndigo> aww of course
it couldnt have been that easy
L394[12:55:03] <payonel> `make` defaults
to 5.2
L395[12:55:09] <S3> Yeah I saw that
L396[12:55:10] <peaceoops>
I wish it were...
<peaceoops>
I wish it were...L397[12:55:20] <AshIndigo> https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Potion#Unused_potions
L398[12:55:27] <peaceoops>
I'm wondering if it's some weird in-world interaction
<peaceoops>
I'm wondering if it's some weird in-world interactionL399[12:55:54] <S3> so it works with 5.3
as well?
L400[12:56:02] <peaceoops>
But.... if it's uncraftable, why is it part of the recipe? =/
<peaceoops>
But.... if it's uncraftable, why is it part of the recipe? =/L401[12:56:07] <peaceoops>
Bah!
<peaceoops>
Bah!L402[12:56:14] <payonel> S3: yes
L403[12:56:14] <AshIndigo> check for
modified recipes in the modpack folder?
L404[12:56:26] <peaceoops>
Ah, probably this: It is also obtained any time a potion has
invalid or missing potion effect tags, and thus serves as a
placeholder.
<peaceoops>
Ah, probably this: It is also obtained any time a potion has
invalid or missing potion effect tags, and thus serves as a
placeholder.L405[12:56:31] <AshIndigo> could be a
broken recipe change
L406[12:56:40] <peaceoops>
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
<peaceoops>
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L408[12:57:00] <peaceoops>
I wonder if there's a way to purposefully break a potion
in-game.
<peaceoops>
I wonder if there's a way to purposefully break a potion
in-game.L409[12:57:28] <AshIndigo> make a mod that
gives a broken potion?
L410[12:58:01] <Corded> *
<peaceoops> taps his nose
L411[12:58:06] <Forecaster>
or just change the recipe :P
<Forecaster>
or just change the recipe :PL412[12:58:08] <peaceoops>
Now you're onto something
<peaceoops>
Now you're onto somethingL413[12:58:10] *
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L414[12:58:47] <payonel> vifino: i also
added to ocvm the option to specify the bios.lua, machine.lua, and
font.hex
L415[12:59:22] <payonel> `ocvm
--bios=path/to/bios.lua --machine=path/to/machine.lua
--fonts=path/to/font.hex`
L416[12:59:23] <peaceoops>
Forecaster, I'll probably just end up /give-ing it to myself.
<peaceoops>
Forecaster, I'll probably just end up /give-ing it to myself.L417[12:59:37] <payonel> all are optional,
defaults to ${ocvm_dir}/system/*
L418[13:00:11] <payonel> btw, bios only
makes sense for new vms, because after that the vm stores its own
bios data
L419[13:00:25] <payonel> in
${vm_dir}/data
L420[13:00:46] <payonel> derp, no
L421[13:00:54] <payonel> in
${vm_dir}/bios.lua
L422[13:01:15] <payonel> ${vm_dir}/data is
the eeprom data, not its code
L423[13:02:04] <AmandaC> payonel: oh,
that's right. What distro do you use?
L424[13:02:12] <payonel> AmandaC:
primarily ubuntu
L425[13:02:22] <payonel> with mucho gentoo
on the side
L426[13:03:33] <AmandaC> payonel: under
opensuse for me the package config packages are lua-$(version)
wasn't sure if that's something that could be cleanly compensated
for
L427[13:04:07] <payonel> AmandaC: e.g.
`make lua=-5.2` would probably work
L428[13:04:20] <AmandaC> True.
L429[13:04:24] <payonel> +now
L430[13:04:32] <payonel> as i just cleaned
up that logic slightly
L431[13:04:33] <gamax92> -work
L432[13:04:36] <AmandaC> Ah
L433[13:05:17] <gamax92> the joys of
starting up a pack to test something, it taking 10 minutes to boot,
only for it to fail, repeat
L434[13:05:57] <AmandaC> That was the
other thing, the logic around using 5.3 seemed to be broken for
me
L435[13:06:26] <AmandaC> I'll try with the
newer make file when I get back in the land of wifi
L436[13:08:24] <S3> WOAH
L437[13:08:29] <S3> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/7qOR3mhy/
L438[13:08:36] <S3> payonel: Never had it
break like that before XD
L439[13:09:01] <S3> those are dynamic
linking functions! XD
L440[13:09:44] <S3> looks like it's
misisng -ldl
L441[13:09:47] <S3> let's see
L442[13:10:30] <S3> that works.
L443[13:10:36] <S3> Once I added -ldl to
flags it work3ed.
L444[13:10:44] <S3> and it runs!
L445[13:10:46] <S3> payonel: thanks!
L446[13:11:49] <payonel> S3: perhaps your
lua install doesn't have the static libs
L447[13:12:14] <S3> I specified -ldl to
get it to compile dynamic.. so that makes sense
L448[13:12:28] <S3> I didn't think about
it much
L449[13:12:40] <S3> when I compiled Lua
that is
L450[13:12:49] <payonel> S3: so the recent
feature is the better kernel panic output
L451[13:13:01] <S3> so now I just need to
fix rxvt-unicode to get unicode to work correctly
L452[13:13:07] <S3> oh?
L453[13:13:18] <payonel> S3: so for
example, make your bios.lua just have:
error("test")
L454[13:14:05] <payonel> S3: note that
your vm dir is going to be LOCAL to where you execute ocvm from,
default vm dir name is tmp/
L455[13:14:11] <payonel> use `ocvm --help`
for more info
L456[13:14:14] <S3> huh
L457[13:16:38] <payonel> S3: some things
don't work quite well yet. e.g. control+shift+c will ABORT the vm,
same with [ESC]
L458[13:16:55] <payonel> i plan to change
that, i need another "abort" key, MAYBE
configurable
L459[13:16:58] <payonel> i was thinking
F12
L460[13:17:14] <S3> payonel: do you know
anything about the unicode aspect of it?
L461[13:17:19] <S3> I noticed it has its
own font
L462[13:17:24] <S3> but in urxvt it shows
weird systems
L463[13:17:27] <S3> symbols*
L464[13:17:52] <payonel> S3: well there
are a few things ocvm won't do (by design) and one is use oc
fonts
L465[13:17:57] <payonel> well, it half
uses them
L466[13:18:07] <payonel> it uses them to
have the same "width" metadata
L467[13:18:17] <payonel> but ocvm will use
the font and utf8 support your terminal has
L468[13:19:26] <S3> ok
L469[13:19:32] <S3> I probably just have a
non unicode font
L470[13:22:55] <payonel> S3: is the box
around the motd messed up?
L471[13:33:55] <S3> payonel: it isn't now!
:D
L472[13:34:11] <S3> I installed gnu
unifont and changed my default $LANG to en_US.UTF-8
L473[13:35:07] <payonel> S3: there are
some things that ocemu will always do better. one is the font
L474[13:35:29] <payonel> when i started
ocvm i planned in advance to accept that ocemu would just do some
things better
L475[13:35:30] <payonel> :)
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L478[13:37:08] <S3> payonel: it looks
really easy and fats to set up
L479[13:37:15] <S3> I haven't looked at
how to make my own machines with it just yet but
L480[13:37:21] <S3> fast*
L481[13:42:08] <payonel> S3: key_up (key
release) is another feature i'd like to improve. because this is a
tui in a medium tty mode .. i don't get release events
L482[13:42:28] <payonel> so i fake those
in a couple of ways, and AmandaC had a great idea to use a timeout
as well
L483[13:42:35] <payonel> that's something
i still plan to add
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L485[13:44:25] <S3> payonel: ohh I see. I
had no idea curses had no key relase events
L486[13:44:37] <payonel> S3: yeah. it
doesn't
L487[13:44:42] <S3> odd.
L488[13:44:48] <payonel> well, 2
things
L489[13:44:53] <S3> t has ier 9000MB of
other things :D
L490[13:44:56] <S3> over*
L491[13:45:05] <payonel> 1. it can't --
those key codes simply are not communicated to a pty
L492[13:45:46] <S3> I wouldn't want to
make things complicated, but if SDL could run in text mode..
L493[13:45:49] <S3> like DSL input
L494[13:45:52] <S3> SDL blargh
L495[13:46:01] <gamax92> *cough*
L496[13:46:21] <payonel> 2. i'm not using
ncurses, i wrote my own drivers. why? A. because i'm crazy and
wanted no dependencies (not even ncurses)
L497[13:46:33] <payonel> and B. ncurses
does not respect utf8 correctly
L498[13:46:37] <S3> Ohh, I somehow assumed
you were using ncurses for position control
L499[13:46:41] <S3> but I didn'tlook
L500[13:46:45] <payonel> S3: i wrote my
own driver for it
L501[13:46:49] <S3> aha
L502[13:47:02] <S3> no dependencies is
nice
L503[13:47:05] <AmandaC> ncurses is just a
wrapper around the various ansi code varients
L504[13:47:09] <S3> right
L505[13:47:39] <payonel> S3: a pty simply
does not get key release codes
L506[13:47:49] <S3> I'm not
surprised
L507[13:47:53] <payonel> it is impossible
to write a tui that would receive that
L508[13:48:05] <payonel> unless you can
get a real tty in raw mode
L509[13:48:10] <payonel> which, btw, ocvm
detects and supports
L510[13:48:26] <payonel> it'll use its
raw_mode kb driver if you run ocvm in a tty
L511[13:48:41] <gamax92> what about
talking to evdev
L512[13:48:41] <S3> huh
L513[13:48:54] <payonel> gamax92: ok, not
impossible. without root
L514[13:49:04] <payonel> BUT
L515[13:49:13] <payonel> even then, you'd
been getting kb events not unique to your process
L516[13:49:24] <S3> payonel: well you
could always expect people who want the featre to add them to the
group that gives them evdev permissions
L517[13:49:27] <AmandaC> ocvm, now with
keylogger!
L518[13:49:35] <payonel> i wrote such a
version of my kb driver in the early days of ocvm, but it was
essentially a key logger
L519[13:49:37] <S3> yeah that too
L520[13:49:44] <payonel> AmandaC:
yep
L521[13:49:56] <payonel> S3: it can't be
done in a process specific way
L522[13:50:13] <payonel> i also wrote a
version that would hijack the X window events
L523[13:50:26] <payonel> but that,
obviously, wasn't a real tui feature
L524[13:50:28] <S3> payonel: is it
possible to replace a pty in a terminal with gettty or some
shit?
L525[13:50:33] <S3> for a real tty
handle
L526[13:50:43] <payonel> HONESTLY, i spent
like 3 months on just the kb driver trying to solve this
problem
L527[13:50:45] <payonel> i learned a
lot
L528[13:50:49] <S3> lol
L529[13:51:03] <S3> I am not worried about
a silly key up
L530[13:51:06] <AmandaC> payonel learned
more about the linux tty/pty system than any sane man could ever
want to know
L531[13:51:09] <gamax92> but ocvm is
L532[13:51:46] <S3> so far it looks great.
gotta look for some information now on how to make a computer
L533[13:52:16] <AmandaC> gamax92: how's
that sdl driver going for it? :P
L534[13:53:06] <payonel> S3: when you're
running a window manager such as X, X controls the tty (e.g. tty
7), and all terminal emulators there-in are pty for that reason.
the real tty behind the curtain belongs to X and there is only one
of them. this is why you would get raw-mode key events specific to
just your one pty
L535[13:53:21] <gamax92> AmandaC: probably
in some forgotten about folder
L536[13:53:34] <S3> I see
L537[13:53:37] <payonel> why you would
NOT+* (typo, forgot the not)
L538[13:53:53] <gamax92> I'm trying to get
stuff that has broken for some reason working again so that I have
something to show for BTM :/
L539[13:53:57] <payonel> "that is why
you would not get the raw-mode..."
L540[13:54:12] <payonel> anyways, yeah. it
was actually a lot of fun learning about all of this stuff
L541[13:55:03] <S3> payonel: nice
panics!
L542[13:55:11] <payonel> S3: wooh!
:)
L543[13:55:19] <gamax92> is it a sad face
and a qr code?
L544[13:55:30] <payonel> ocvm's kernel
panics have been crap up until now. so i'm pretty happy about this
new thing
L545[13:55:34] <S3> that would be epic..
gamax92
L546[13:55:37] <S3> an ascii qr
code..
L547[13:55:41] <S3> would a phone even
read that?!
L548[13:55:45] <AmandaC> yup
L549[13:55:48] <S3> ahahahaha
L550[13:56:03] <S3> Hey, nothing says I
can't add it right?
L551[13:56:09] <S3> :D
L552[13:56:32] <AmandaC> And the QR is
hard-coded to be a rick-roll
L553[13:56:43] <payonel> S3:
components/computer.cpp -> Computer::crash() is called when the
kernel crashes
L554[13:56:45] <S3> OK that's it
L555[13:56:50] <S3> S3IX will HAVE QR CODE
PANICS
L556[13:56:55] <S3> thanks gamax92
:D
L557[13:57:17] *
AmandaC is reminded of one of her times to Google I/O
L558[13:57:19] <payonel> oh you mean add
the qr code to the error from the kernel, nice
L559[13:58:14] <AmandaC> They had
introduced NFC and were pushing it pretty hard, and so they had a
minigame thing where you could go around the venue and
"collect" the tags with the schedule app. Someone took
one of the stickers they used for the NFC tags and encoded it with
a rick-roll.
L560[13:58:37] <Xal> from now on all
errors are reported as
"/usr/share/Adobe/doc/example/android_vm/root/sbin/ls.jar:
Error: Device is not responding"
L561[13:58:49] <S3> payonel: yeah, I can
store like address bits, etc in there
L562[13:59:13] <S3> maybe open it on a
website or some shit to show all the information with a report
button
L563[13:59:18] <S3> or somethin
L564[13:59:23] <S3> (that's a bit
much)
L565[13:59:49] <S3> gamax92: should I use
unicode block characters or ascii #s?
L566[13:59:59] <gamax92> unicode
L567[14:00:04] <S3> is what I
thought
L568[14:00:14] <S3> I mean this looks
nice:
L569[14:00:15] <S3> https://i.redd.it/c7n9gpmo9dcy.png
L570[14:00:23] <gamax92> wait, why did you
install unifont.
L571[14:00:42] <S3> because it's the only
unicode font I know of that has a lot of shit
L572[14:00:45] <S3> I usually use
Terminus
L573[14:00:52] <S3> which has very poor
unicode
L574[14:01:31] <Xal> unifont has
/excellent/ code point coverage but god damn is it ugly
L575[14:03:07] <Vexatos> It's missing
quite a bit of cuneiform
L576[14:03:14] <Vexatos> At least it was
last time I checked
L577[14:04:17] <S3> Xal: it is pretty
ugly
L578[14:04:22] <S3> goong from terminus is
like wat
L579[14:04:37] <dequbed> S3: Re ascii QR:
http://asciiqr.com is a thing.
L580[14:05:00] <S3> yeah I saw that a few
mins ago
L581[14:05:10] <S3> I need to find a place
that talks about how QR codes are made now
L582[14:05:10] <Vexatos> Something
something ????? ???
L583[14:05:12] <S3> so I can generate
them
L584[14:05:20] <S3> Vexatos: I see
boxes!
L585[14:05:26] <S3> on chrome :D
L586[14:05:27] <Vexatos> You need a better
font :P
L587[14:05:37] <S3> It mightshow in
irssi
L588[14:06:05] <Xal> https://i.imgur.com/ldE9mlj.png
L589[14:06:10] <Vexatos> ? is one of my
favourites
L590[14:06:14] <Xal> a classic
L591[14:06:36] <Xal> I'll have to pick
﷽
L592[14:06:46] <dequbed> S3: http://www.qrcode.com/en/index.html is a good place
to start :P
L593[14:06:51] <Xal> ? is a close
second
L594[14:07:02] <Vexatos> It also didn't
like other blocks like ??
L595[14:07:04] <Temia> Hey Gamax, did you
ever send a PR for your Quassel changes?
L596[14:07:24] <gamax92> hmm?
L597[14:07:35] <Temia> The ones you made
to fix unicode rendering issues.
L598[14:07:42] <Vexatos> ??????
L599[14:07:51] <gamax92> oh those, no
those are hacks
L600[14:07:55] <Temia> Oh .-.
L601[14:08:03] <gamax92> need a patch
though?
L602[14:08:11] <Temia> Yes please.
L603[14:08:28] <Xal> I have a personal
vendetta against unicode block fb00 to fb4f
L604[14:08:40] <Xal> screw putting
ligatures in unicode
L605[14:08:46] <Vexatos> pfft
L606[14:09:27] <Xal> office first store
leſt
L607[14:09:38] <dequbed> Xal: Ew.
L608[14:09:56] <Xal> exactly, ligatures
are meant for the font renderer to mess with
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L610[14:11:06] <dequbed> Xal: agreed. I
would like to see the reasoning though, there must be some reason
why the unicode consortium did that.
L611[14:12:13] <Xal> the reasoning is
"lol why not emojis are in"
L612[14:13:44] <dequbed> Xal: Emojis *do*
make sense though given that they were used as communication. A
litagured ff and one that is not does not make a conceptual
difference to the reader.
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L618[14:16:34] <dequbed> gamax92:
Context?
L619[14:16:52] <gamax92> don't really
know, people replace random letters with it
L620[14:17:33] <XDjackieXD> "you
don't talk about /?️" am I doing it right?
L621[14:17:52] <gamax92> hmm, well that
broke my quassel patch
L622[14:18:04] <Temia> I've made a habit
of learning to identify raw representations of emoji ligatures
since I'm too lazy to install emoji libraries on my system
L623[14:18:32] <Temia> Fortunately, my
current font choices at least provide glyphs for the components
themselves :'D
L624[14:18:36] <gamax92> the unicode
character lined up but the everything else is misaligned.
L625[14:18:46] <Temia> ._.a
L626[14:18:57] <S3> ok. so the idea for
the OS is to run everything as a set of coroutine actors that run
in their own env
L627[14:19:04] <S3> so that no actor can
control information in any other actor
L628[14:19:13] <S3> 100% message
passing..
L629[14:19:30] <S3> with some tricks, I
think I can hack in some table sharing message system
L630[14:19:51] <AshIndigo_> s/b/?️
L631[14:19:51] <MichiBot> <S3> with
some tricks, I think I can hack in some ta?️le sharing message
system
L632[14:20:08] <S3> wut
L633[14:20:08] <gamax92> Temia: you might
have to play around with the +1 in that patch, I had to change it
to -1 after freetype updated
L634[14:20:14] <Temia> Alrighty
L635[14:20:26] <gamax92> it's sorta
dependent on the base font
L636[14:21:10] <gamax92> hence the hack
part
L637[14:21:52] <Temia> ah.
L638[14:22:37] <S3> I gotta drive home got
shit to do
L639[14:24:12] <gamax92> I have an idea as
how to better fix that.
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L642[14:32:09] <payonel> Izaya: poke
L643[14:34:30] <Izaya> your timing is
terrible
L644[14:34:35] <Izaya> gimme 10 mins
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L646[14:39:45] <Xal> one day someone will
(try to) legally change their name to 'ZERO WIDTH NO-BREAK SPACE'
(U+FEFF)
L647[14:41:47] <dequbed> Xal: I want to
raise a bobby tables but I do think my partner would lynch me
before I had the chance.
L648[14:42:46] <Inari> Hm so it seems the
size of the UI window is 1.5x the size of the original image
L649[14:42:55] <Inari> Now to figure out
why
L650[14:43:25] <Inari> And why to get that
I have to set teh windowHeight and width to half of the original
image's size
L651[14:43:27] <Inari> Oh
L652[14:43:34] <Inari> Half, means
x3
L653[14:43:42] <Inari> And I have UI set
to "Large" which is 3 I believe
L654[14:44:14] <Vexatos> Xal, Luckily,
that's not possible in Germany :P
L655[14:44:57] <Inari> But hwy does
getScaledWidth not reflect that :|
L656[14:44:57] <vifino> why,
Vexatos?
L657[14:45:22] <Xal> "The name has to
indicate gender, it cannot be a last name or a product, and it
cannot negatively affect the child."
L658[14:45:51] <Inari> Xal: That first
thing is a weird rule
L659[14:46:05] <payonel> i thought germany
just passed a law that will allow birth certificates to have a
gender neutral option or something likethat
L660[14:46:32] <dequbed> payonel:
Intersex, not neutral. Also a judge ruled that, the law has to be
written now.
L661[14:46:34] <Xal> meanwhile, in the
united states of FREEDOM: "Kentucky, [has] no naming laws
whatsoever."
L662[14:46:43] <payonel> ah ok
L663[14:47:10] <Xal> Denmark requires
first names to be picked from a list of pre-approved names
L664[14:47:37] <dequbed> Inari: It's a
very historical thing. Fun fact: If your first name does not
definitely indicate gender (e.g. "Alex") you must give
the child a second name that does.
L665[14:47:57] <Inari> Silly
L666[14:48:03] <dequbed> Germany(TM)
L667[14:48:11] <vifino> (Don't do
it.)
L668[14:48:16] <gamax92> German
Engineering
L669[14:48:22] <dequbed> At least intersex
gender is coming finally. Took them long enough .-.
L670[14:48:35] <Izaya> payonel: alright
what can I do for ya
L671[14:48:51] <payonel> Izaya: i was just
excited about a few updates i made to ocvm last night
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L673[14:49:02] <Xal> dequbed: even if
official a government allows other genders, I'll put money on most
government software from the 80s not supporting it ever
L674[14:49:04] <dequbed> payo needs to
(humble)brag? :P
L675[14:49:11] <payonel> dequbed: oh
definitely
L676[14:49:17] <payonel> that's totally my
personality trait
L677[14:49:30] <vifino> mayonel, the
bragger.
L678[14:49:31] <payonel> it's not so much
bragging (it is) but it is moreso i love recognition
L679[14:49:56] <payonel> if i do the
dishes, the first thing i have to tell my wife when she gets home
is, "did you notice the kitchen!?"
L680[14:50:06] <vifino> hahaha
L681[14:50:09] <Izaya> payonel: what did
you add?
L682[14:50:12] <Izaya> //change
L683[14:50:35] <payonel> Izaya: when there
is a kernel panic, ocvm is much less stupid about reporting
it
L684[14:50:44] <Izaya> oh yay
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L686[14:50:58] <payonel> 1. there is a
stack trace of it, 2. i removed the garbage thread.toString output
in the log, just the message and stack
L687[14:51:09] <dequbed> Xal: The problem
is really not the software. Its the problem that since the child
must have a definite gender on birth there have been cases where
doctors had to restructure genitals to actually fit within the
legal boundaries. And there have been (very few but still!) cases
where they judged wrong. (That story does come out of a new-left
bubble though)
L688[14:51:10] <payonel> and 3. ocvm
itself will dump to stdout the kernel panic info as well
L689[14:51:20] <Xal> if legal names were
like passwords on government websites: "Your name must be 6
characters, and contain at least one capital letter. Iff the name
does not contain at least one punctuation character, but no more
than three, there must be 2-3 numbers in the name. The sum of the
digits in the name must not exceed twelve, and may not be a
multiple 3. The number four is not allowed under any circumstances.
If the name more vowels than
L690[14:51:20] <Xal> consonants, it must
end in an exclamation mark."
L691[14:51:55] <Izaya> yay
L692[14:52:03] <Izaya> I'll pull and try
it out later today
L693[14:52:11] <payonel> Izaya: that #3 is
after the pty driver has closed, so it remains
L694[14:52:16] <dequbed> payonel: consider
yourself recognized :P
L695[14:52:17] <CompanionCube> S3: so
you're doing the Haiku thing with QR'd panics?
L696[14:52:20] <payonel> WOO!
L697[14:52:25] <payonel> thanks
dequbed
L698[14:52:34] <dequbed> Also, I did not
know you had a wife :D
L699[14:52:44] <Izaya> CompanionCube:
maybe I should do that...
L700[14:52:45] <payonel> aye
L701[14:52:49] <Izaya> actual qr code
panics
L702[14:52:55] <Izaya> just for fun
L703[14:53:23] <CompanionCube> (https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/mmlr/2012-07-01_qr_encode_your_kdl_output/
reference)
L704[14:55:20] <AmandaC> oh, is that what
gamax92 was referencing. I thought it was something Win10
added
L705[14:55:28] <gamax92> wahat?
L706[14:55:41] <AmandaC> your comment on
"sad face and a QR Code"
L707[14:55:49] <gamax92> that's a
reference to windows
L708[14:55:54] <AmandaC> oh
L709[14:57:04] <AmandaC> I should learn
how the debian cross-compile dark voodoo goes
L710[14:59:32] <peaceoops>
So, about the navigation upgrade, it all works relative to a map.
What if I want to change what area my drone works in? Do I have to
disassemble it every time?
<peaceoops>
So, about the navigation upgrade, it all works relative to a map.
What if I want to change what area my drone works in? Do I have to
disassemble it every time?L711[15:00:57] <Forecaster>
yes
<Forecaster>
yesL712[15:06:25] <peaceoops>
I'm tempted to write my own nav library... can't be too difficult.
If the drones always startup on the same origin block, then
badabing badaboom, there's your 0,0,0
<peaceoops>
I'm tempted to write my own nav library... can't be too difficult.
If the drones always startup on the same origin block, then
badabing badaboom, there's your 0,0,0L713[15:07:31] <peaceoops>
I guess that wouldn't take into account "inaccessible"
errors though. hmm
<peaceoops>
I guess that wouldn't take into account "inaccessible"
errors though. hmmL714[15:08:37] <Izaya> https://i.4cdn.org/g/1510569345290.png
L715[15:10:55] *
AshIndigo colors it green for technical preview users
L716[15:11:01] <AshIndigo> -_-
L717[15:11:10] <AshIndigo> Wait
L718[15:11:13] <payonel> ea sucks:
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBattlefront/comments/7cff0b/seriously_i_paid_80_to_have_vader_locked/dppum98/?context=3
L719[15:11:29] <dequbed> What's their
score at now?
L720[15:11:32] <AshIndigo> Does anyone
else my messages as doubles?
L721[15:12:19] <dequbed> -438k nice.
L722[15:12:39] <dequbed> Also
42xgilded?
L723[15:13:42] <payonel> dequbed: because
it's so bad it's good. the comment is just gold
L724[15:13:43] <payonel> :)
L725[15:16:35] <dequbed> payonel: The only
comment I really like in that thread is https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBattlefront/comments/7cff0b/seriously_i_paid_80_to_have_vader_locked/dpqqbxf/
L726[15:16:47] <Izaya> if people hate EA
so much maybe they should stop buying
L727[15:16:57] <payonel> dequbed: i read
that one too. it's was good
L728[15:16:58] <payonel> it*
L729[15:17:00] <Izaya> (and optionally
start pirating)
L730[15:17:52] <payonel> Izaya: i think
it'll take years for enough people to care to make a change
L731[15:18:06] <dequbed> Izaya: That's
what that comment is about. And pirating doesn't work too well in a
MMO (it is a MMO, isn't it?)
L732[15:18:22] <Izaya> another shitty hero
shooter IIRC
L733[15:18:25] <payonel> no pirating in an
mmo?
L734[15:18:28] <Izaya> matchmaking and
such
L735[15:18:35] <payonel> reminds me of the
time i didn't run a wow server
L736[15:19:10] <Xal> just you wait
L737[15:19:38] <Xal> one day there will be
a homomorphic coprocessor in every cpu, and it will be literally
impossible to reverse engineer programs
L738[15:19:50] <Xal> this sad reality will
be true eventually
L739[15:19:59] <Izaya> one day I'll have a
risc-v box only I control
L740[15:20:17] <dequbed> payonel: Can you
actually? I don't know I never had the energy to crack games.
L741[15:22:02] <dequbed> Xal: With the
current amount of people working in the exact opposite direction? I
don't think so. Google themselves are pissed and want to kill ME
etc. And OpenPOWER is going surprisingly strong, slowly reaching
into the consumer market.
L742[15:22:23] <dequbed> Also RISC-V as
Izaya said.
L743[15:23:01] <Xal> dequbed: why
/wouldn't/ google want in on this? offload their own server's work
onto your customers devices for free
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L745[15:23:46] <Xal> google only doesn't
like the ME because they can't control it
L746[15:24:19] <dequbed> Xal: Because
Google are themselves Victims of Intel's shitty CPUs. ME has bitten
them into the butt enough. Same goes for Microsoft. And both
realize that really they want an open system.
L747[15:25:40] <dequbed> And Intel is
realizing that. They are buying into *everything* because they know
x86 won't live forever. (Not entirely to blame on ME and related
fuckups but still)
L748[15:26:44] <Izaya> dequbed: some MMOs
have custom servers written
L749[15:26:51] <Izaya> runescape and wow
come to mind
L750[15:27:07] <dequbed> Izaya: TIL.
Again, never had the energy to sink into a game like that.
L751[15:27:50] <Izaya> yeah x_x I don't
need more time sinks
L752[15:28:02] <Xal> I wouldn't be
surprised if in 25 years or so we'll have processor that exclusive
run a homomorphic vm
L753[15:28:17] <Xal> that way companies
can remote do anything they want with your hardware without you
being able to intervene
L754[15:28:39] <Xal> ultimate drm
L755[15:28:50] <dequbed> Xal: I'm really
sorry but that is complete and utter bullshit.
L756[15:29:04] <Xal> don't be sorry! tell
me why! I want to learn
L757[15:29:11] <Izaya> if that happens
I'll just stop using computers tbh, but it won't happen
L758[15:29:28] <Inari> Pixel perfect stuff
and scaling is a combination of annoyance
L759[15:30:33] <dequbed> Xal: For one:
It's going in *exactly* the opposite direction. ARM is freeer than
x86, and instead of local Microsoft Office you have everything
cloud based. Nobody wants to offload work onto your device. It's
stupid, it doesn't work, it doesn't help. We already have DRM that
good enough, see W3C debacle *just a few months back*.
L760[15:31:36] <Xal> dequbed: like I said,
my guess is we'll see some sort of instruction set extension that
lets you run homomorphic operations natively
L761[15:31:41] <Xal> and it'd still be an
open spec
L762[15:31:50] <dequbed> Xal: In short:
*Nobody gives a fuck about you*. Firmware isn't closed source
because they want to hide backdoors in plain sight but because the
manufacturers think it gives the an advantage. And look at NVidia.
It does if your big enough on the market.
L763[15:33:02] <Xal> Look at the
neverending battle over DRM vs people cracking it: EME, denuvo,
walled-garden devices. fast, fully homomorphic encryption would be
a the silver bullet that could end all of it
L764[15:33:11] <dequbed> Every single
little dystopic disaster you are painting comes down to one single
issue: Near-Monopolies. NVidia benefits from ATi trying open-source
simply because they still have the majority share. Intel can do
whatever the fuck they want because what exactly do you want to use
other than Intel's x86?
L765[15:33:15] <Inari> "it doesn't
work"
L766[15:33:19] <Inari> But it does work,
very well
L767[15:33:22] <Inari> More so than
cloud
L768[15:33:49] <Xal> I'm confused about
that too
L769[15:34:01] <Xal> it's not like this is
some sort of space age shit I'm talking about, it's already
here
L770[15:34:47] <dequbed> Xal: And yet we
don't use it. Yet we don't all have super locked-down computers
that don't let us do anything. Because maybe - just maybe - people
don't care as much about DRM as you say they do.
L771[15:35:57] <payonel> it would probably
take additional custom hardware to hack, but nothing is
immune
L772[15:35:59] <Xal> dequbed: we don't use
it because of technical concerns that will likely be ironed out in
the next 10 years. It wouldn't be included for only DRM, because
there are plenty of great uses for it. But when a company decides
to implement drm and it's already there, why not?
L773[15:36:18] <dequbed> The ITU spends a
lot of time and money keeing GSM and similar technologies locked.
It works. There are no open, fast and affordable GSM modems out
there. But DRM does not have anywhere *near* that power on Computer
hardware. Even less so on servers. Which *still* make up the
majority of CPU sales. Consumers are irrelevant.
L774[15:37:46] <Xal> we're seeing more and
more crypto primitives integrated into computer hardware, and
that's a good thing. It seems inevitable to me that we'll
eventually see some of this tech in hardware, and /as a byproduct
of it/ we'll see it used for DRM
L775[15:37:59] <Xal> I'm not trying to say
that companies will push for it to be included because they want to
use it for DRM
L776[15:38:05] <dequbed> The current
technical concerns are how to make neural networks faster.
Microsoft attaches custom FPGA-boards to their entire Azure
infrastructure. Google develops their own fucking architecture.
Mozilla jumps on the Bandwagon as well. That's more important to
people than locking other people's CPU down.
L777[15:38:36] <Xal> homomorphic
encryption isn't locking people cpus down
L778[15:38:37] <dequbed> Xal: Honestly,
I've only seen - excluding custom build PCBs - AES
instructions.
L779[15:38:48] *
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L780[15:38:58] <dequbed> payonel: I would
love you so much.
L781[15:39:22] <Xal> mostly just AES and
SHA, yes
L782[15:40:37] <dequbed> Xal: And in both
cases the instructions can be used for a lot of other streaming or
vector applications. They just happen to be good at doing AES and
SHA as well.
L783[15:40:54] <Xal> dequbed: no
L784[15:41:09] <dequbed> Xal: Oh? tell me
more.
L785[15:41:12] <Xal> there's literally an
instruction that performs a partial aes encryption round
L786[15:41:19] <Xal> AES-NI
L787[15:41:37] <Xal> instruction sets for
EC crypto are probably in the pipeline, too
L788[15:41:43] <Xal> see
10.1016/j.sysarc.2006.09.002
L789[15:42:02] <dequbed> Xal: Correct. You
know how it's implemented? It doesn't do new shit. Is uses the
already available Vector instructions to do AES.
L790[15:42:45] <Xal> there's a huge market
for hardware crypto implementations for "smart" devices
like nfc tags
L791[15:42:45] <dequbed> But anyway.
Implementing the literally most common crypto there is that speeds
up basically *all* communication is not at all comparable to
integrating more and more crypto primitives.
L792[15:43:03] <vifino> Izaya: I got a new
mouse. Feel like playing some xonotic with me?
L793[15:43:30] <dequbed> Xal: You're
talking about smart cards? Yes their is. Your point being?
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L795[15:43:46] <Skye> tbh there's a
difference between providing acceleration
L796[15:43:49] <Xal> just look at the
mifare classic crypto clusterfuck
L797[15:43:50] <Xal> companies are
realizing they can't just roll their own crypto and hope for the
best, so they have an interest in fast hardware implementations of
proven algos
L798[15:43:51] <Skye> and hiding a
key
L799[15:44:13] <Skye> like... I think
accelerating cryptography is a good idea
L800[15:44:22] <Skye> but hiding a key in
a way that the user can't access is stupid
L801[15:44:33] <Inari> Qunatum computeres
will kill cyptography anyway, no?
L802[15:44:37] <Xal> no
L803[15:45:13] <Xal> most symmetric crypto
is safe, but integer factorization and discrete log based
asymmetric crypto isn't
L804[15:45:14] <Inari> "qunatum"
heh
L805[15:45:32] <Skye> eh
L806[15:45:40] <Inari> %give MichiBot a
qunatum computer
L807[15:45:40] *
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inventory
L808[15:45:41] <Skye> even with quantum
will be
L809[15:45:51] <Skye> like I use 8192 bit
keys for my SSH
L810[15:45:54] <Skye> that'll take a
while
L811[15:46:00] <Skye> even with
quantum
L812[15:46:44] <dequbed> Xal: Companies
are realizing that? Holy shit you just went from dystopian death
visions to the biggest degree of optimism humanly possible! No,
they arent'.
L813[15:46:52] <Forecaster>
what is a qunatum computer
<Forecaster>
what is a qunatum computerL814[15:47:08] <Xal> dystopian death
visions
L815[15:47:10] <dequbed> Forecaster: A
compooter that qunatums!
L816[15:47:10] <Xal> what the fuck?
L817[15:47:21] <Vexatos> @Forecaster it's
a CPU architecture you interface with using Inari, the esolang that
sounds like Inari talking
L818[15:47:25] <Xal> homomorphic crypto in
hardware = dystopian death visions?
L819[15:47:32] <Xal> because it seems
pretty reasonable to me!
L820[15:47:41] <dequbed> Xal: No, the how
evil overlords will control everything we do.
L821[15:47:52] <Temia> Ugh, what a time
for all of the ops to be idle .-.
L822[15:48:14] <Xal> I don't believe I
ever said that
L823[15:48:17] <Forecaster>
Lizzy is playing minecraft
<Forecaster>
Lizzy is playing minecraftL824[15:48:19] <dequbed> Temia: Are we
being to aggressive? Sorry, didn't meant to.
L825[15:48:30] <Temia> This conversation's
been toeing the line from civility to flamewar for a while. Please
calm down, both of you.
L826[15:48:31] *
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L827[15:48:32] <dequbed> 21:28:17 Xal |
that way companies can remote do anything they want with your
hardware without you being able to intervene
L828[15:48:41] *
Temia ows. Kicks Vex in the shins :T
L829[15:48:43] *
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L830[15:48:59] <Xal> do anything they want
with your hardware /= evil overlords will control everything we
do
L831[15:49:01] <Skye> Xal, is there really
a way to be "open" and hide keys from the user? :P
L832[15:49:13] <Skye> I mean
L833[15:49:17] <Skye> worst case
L834[15:49:23] <Skye> if you're protecting
something really valuable?
L835[15:49:30] <Skye> someone's gonna
dissolve a CPU in acid
L836[15:49:34] <Skye> to see what it
does
L837[15:49:39] <Xal> Skye: here's the
schematics for a 3inch thick steel box. inside of it is your
encryption key
L838[15:49:43] <dequbed> Xal: I'll give
you homomorphic crypto. That may come into hardware as soon as an
usecase is found that provides the money. But I don't think it will
ever reach the universality you
L839[15:49:52] <dequbed> 're talking
about. It's just not that useful.
L840[15:49:58] <Xal> dequbed: I'll agree
with you there
L841[15:50:19] <Xal> but I think it'll
have some pretty interesting implications in the world of software
freedom
L842[15:50:48] <AmandaC> \o/ PocketCHIP is
now updated to debian stretch again.
L843[15:51:23] <dequbed> I don't. It'll
have some implications on the freedom of users to copy content and
such but unless you build a machine that's entirly locked down (not
reasonable) you can't control that much.
L844[15:51:43] <Skye> Xal, analogue
hole
L845[15:51:51] <Skye> also
L846[15:52:01] <Skye> unless you mange to
encrypt every pixel in an LCD
L847[15:52:06] <Skye> someone can just rip
off of an LCD! :D
L848[15:52:34] <Xal> encrypt it all the
way up to the controller, and make it impractical to separate the
controller from the screen
L849[15:53:40] <dequbed> Xal: Your example
is entirely possible. *Yes* you *can* lock up a computer that much.
But nobody will. Because there just isn't enough money behind any
of the use cases to ever do any of this.
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L851[15:54:15] <Izaya> vifino: considering
I got to work about 10 mins ago, not right now :p
L852[15:54:22] <Izaya> Like 8 hours?
L853[15:54:36] <vifino> Pretty sure I'll
be asleep.
L854[15:54:51] <vifino> 7 am is not a
usual time I am awake at.
L855[15:55:11] <dequbed> And it's not
barely not enough. It's orders and orders of magnitudes not enough.
And it's getting less. Big media productions are loosing value.
iTunes has put away with the illusion that you have to buy an
entire album for one song, Amazon with the entire concept of book
publishers. Content production is becoming less centralized and
less greedy.
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L857[15:57:25] <dequbed> Temia: Again
sorry for seeming aggressive. I assure you I hold no grudge against
Xal for having a different opinion. I just like to speak in
hyperbole.
L858[15:58:01] <Vexatos> dequbed, you are
the worst person ever!!!!!
L859[15:58:07] <Vexatos> (am I doing this
right)
L860[15:58:09] <dequbed> Vexatos: I know
:D
L861[15:58:26] <dequbed> Vexatos: Not
enough ad hominem yet, sorry.
L862[15:58:45] <Xal> dequbed: Good
discussion! I admire your optimism, and I admit I may have gone a
little far with my predictions of an Orwellian future for
tech
L863[15:58:50] <dequbed> Also you missed
the part about needing to have a different opinion than I do
:P
L864[15:58:51] <Vexatos> dequbed, your
mum's child is the worst person ever!!!!
L865[15:59:03] <Vexatos> And I disagree
with you!!!
L866[15:59:16] <dequbed> Xal: You as well
- if nothing else I have a fun paper to read tomorrow ^^
L867[15:59:22] <AmandaC> Vexatos: your
mother was a hamster!
L868[15:59:39] <Vexatos> AmandaC, your
father smelt of elderberries :I
L869[16:00:31] <Xal> i disagree with you,
therefore you're ugly
L870[16:00:32] <dequbed> Xal: Also I have
to admit that my optimism may be ill-placed and just not yet dulled
enough that comes with the cynism of realism ;)
L871[16:01:23] <Vexatos> Xal, Lacesso ergo
sum.
L872[16:01:50] <Xal> I went down the
mifare classic crypto-1 rabbit hole a few months ago and had some
fun with the room keys
L873[16:03:08] <Vexatos> famous Latin
proverb :^)
L874[16:03:26] <Xal> I didn't have enough
free time to do anything really cool with 'em but I think I have
dumps of the card contents and interactions between the reader and
the card around somewhere
L875[16:05:15] <payonel> you can't stop
the stream, mal
L876[16:06:57] <AmandaC> I should finish
soldering in the lines to my pocket CHIP for the speaker / I2C
lines for the NFC board I bought
L877[16:09:33] <Izaya> AmandaC: can you
get IRDA boards for that thing
L878[16:09:42] <AmandaC> IRDA?
L879[16:11:04] <AmandaC> also, point of
clarification: the NFC thing is just abreakout board with a
built-in attenna and relevent communication pins for speaking
I2C
L880[16:11:15] <AmandaC> the PocketCHIP
just has a buttload of empty space in the case
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L883[16:16:44] <Izaya> AmandaC: Infra-Red
Data Association, IIRC
L884[16:19:27] <Temia> IRDA doesn't seem
out of the question.
L885[16:19:43] <AmandaC> Izaya: maybe,
It's got I2C,UART, some other things
L886[16:20:08] <Izaya> Yeah, considering
you can even bit bang the stuff if you want to
L887[16:22:01] <Temia> IrDA would be best
suited for UART, so
L888[16:28:50] <AmandaC> You'd have to
disable the tty it launches on it, but otherwise it should be
usable for that.
L889[16:28:59] <AmandaC> People have used
it for GPS at least.
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L892[16:32:43] <payonel> brandon3055:
o/
L893[16:32:58] *
payonel predicts brandon3055 isn't really "here", but
just relogging
L894[16:33:25] *
AmandaC predicts the fall of the roman empire
L895[16:33:52] <AmandaC> %choose yes
computer or no computer
L896[16:33:52] <MichiBot> AmandaC: no
computer
L897[16:34:32] <AmandaC> bah, can't. Still
running the backup of the pocketchip now that I got it to stretch
again
L898[16:34:59] *
brandon3055 is definitely not really here
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L901[16:53:36] <gamax92> %choose yes miss
or no go away
L902[16:53:36] <MichiBot> gamax92: yes
miss
L903[16:58:12] <Inari> gamax92: Lewd
L904[16:58:43] <gamax92> Inari: shush
you
L905[17:03:17] <vifino> Izaya: tfw i can't
beat robots on easy
L906[17:03:31] <gamax92> vifino: become a
robot
L907[17:03:33] <vifino> this mouse is a
blessing and a curse
L908[17:03:41] <gamax92> TRAIN A NEURAL
NETWORK TO BEAT EASY ROBOTS
L909[17:03:53] <vifino> they aren't
easy
L910[17:03:57] *
gamax92 throws tenserflow at vifino :v
L911[17:04:01] <vifino> ew, python
L912[17:04:09] *
gamax92 throws pytorch at vifino :v
L913[17:04:13] <Izaya> vifino: not used to
it yet?
L914[17:04:14] <vifino> EW, PYTHON
L915[17:04:25] <Izaya> tfw was still
beating the shit out of my classmates with just a trackpoint
L916[17:04:27] <vifino> Izaya: seeing as i
got it mere hours ago, nope.
L917[17:04:38] *
gamax92 throws keras at vifino :v
L918[17:04:45] <gamax92> they're all
python
L919[17:04:56] <vifino> get that shit away
from me
L920[17:05:06] <gamax92> except for torch
but torch was a pain in the ass to setup for me
L921[17:05:14] <vifino> really?
L922[17:05:22] <vifino> huh. always
thought it was really easy.
L923[17:05:29] <gamax92> it fucked over my
lua installation
L924[17:05:42] <gamax92> like the torch
part worked but then my lua was tainted
L925[17:05:45] <vifino> they have a repo
that just requires a working compiler setup and invoking a single
script
L926[17:05:50] <vifino> :/
L927[17:06:02] <vifino> i just install it
to a specific directory
L928[17:06:22] <vifino> something like
~/usr/torch
L929[17:06:45] <gamax92> something I
needed required me to build a custom version of caffe
L930[17:07:05] <vifino> no clue what that
is.
L931[17:13:04] <vifino> gamax92: do you
happen to know how i can use a nvidia gtx 1060 headless for compute
purposes?
L932[17:13:12] <vifino> without X and
whatever garbage
L933[17:13:19] <gamax92> Windows
L934[17:13:30] <vifino> no no not
windows
L935[17:13:34] <vifino> linux
L936[17:13:47] <gamax92> uhhhh
L937[17:13:54] <vifino> unless that is
your proposed solution, in which case, just no.
L938[17:14:03] <gamax92> well it's not
X
L939[17:14:10] <vifino> >_>
L940[17:14:13] <Izaya> out the
window
L941[17:14:24] *
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L942[17:14:54] <gamax92> out the window
and into the tire fire
L943[17:15:03] <Inari> Hmm right
L944[17:15:07] <gamax92> hey Inari
L945[17:15:13] <Inari> now to figure out
how I store to nbt tags of the item instead of the machine
L946[17:15:23] <gamax92> what are you
making?
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L948[17:15:51] <Inari> Analyzer Card
:P
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L950[17:24:52] <ben_mkiv> how is it
supposed to analyze items?
L951[17:25:48] <Inari> It doesn't, it just
outputs a custom message with the analzyer stuff
L952[17:26:03] <ben_mkiv> oO
L953[17:26:39] <ben_mkiv> well, anyone
knows how i'm supposed to attach components to a computer in java
without having them in some inventory
L954[17:26:46] <ben_mkiv> so kinda like
drones/microcontrollers
L955[17:26:56] <ben_mkiv> i got
"li.cil.oc.api.Machine.create(this);" to create the
machine
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L957[17:35:10] <Inari> ben_mkiv: Proably
the same things as Robot.scala
L958[17:35:53] <gamax92> robots, drones,
and microcontrollers all have inventories
L959[17:36:08] <ben_mkiv> its just not
exposed?!
L960[17:37:31] <gamax92> yes, you use the
disassembler/assembler for them
L961[17:38:38] <ben_mkiv> well, so they
just give "limited" access to the inventory
L962[17:38:41] <ben_mkiv> http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=120346
L963[17:38:47] <ben_mkiv> that cutie wont
fit the assembler :P
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L965[17:41:02] <gamax92> ben_mkiv: make it
inflatable
L966[17:41:35] <ben_mkiv> transform to a
rubix cube?
L967[17:41:52] <gamax92> yeah sure
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L969[17:58:55] <Demosthenex> hey, so where
are the robot's interactions with water documented?
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L971[18:01:37] <Demosthenex> hrm, or it
passed thru water and got locked in because of no adjacent
walls.
L972[18:01:49] <Xal> today is the
day
L973[18:01:53] <Xal> my unicomp keyboard
came
L974[18:02:15] <Xal> nobody will ever
sleep while I'm typing again, muahahaha
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L981[18:43:47] <Demosthenex> i just got a
mechanical keyboard, love it1
L982[18:43:52] <Demosthenex> kinesis
gaming edge
L983[18:44:40] <Izaya> tfw considering
switching to a scissor switch keyboard from a mech one
L984[19:00:52] <CompanionCube> any good
reason?
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L986[19:18:01] <S3> so uh payonel
L987[19:18:20] <S3> unmanaged drives, do
they work?
L988[19:18:38] <S3> maybe gamax92
knows
L989[19:19:08] <gamax92> do you know how
tapes work?
L990[19:20:43] <S3> IRL or in ocemu /
ocvm?
L991[19:20:55] <S3> I know that the
unmanaged drives are gzip files
L992[19:21:23] <S3> or zlib in general, I
think
L993[19:21:34] <gamax92> but what if it's
actually deflate :o
L994[19:21:43] <S3> heh
L995[19:22:05] <gamax92> but no I don't
know
L996[19:43:42] <Izaya> CompanionCube:
well, my T420 feels better than my mech so
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L999[20:50:28] <S3> well it just so
happens
L1000[20:50:43] <S3> if I can't have
pattern matching
L1001[20:50:55] <S3> I canhave something
that at least works well with lua in my actors:
L1002[20:51:09] <S3> local state, x =
capture (receive(), {'str:start', 'any'})
L1003[20:51:20] <Kodos>
Who was it that was trying to deal with item counts and shit
<Kodos>
Who was it that was trying to deal with item counts and shitL1004[20:51:42] <S3> No idea
L1005[20:51:57] <CompanionCube> there was
someone asking about refined storage semi-recently
L1006[20:52:15] <Kodos>
Yeah, that guy
<Kodos>
Yeah, that guyL1007[20:52:29] <Kodos>
Actually nevermind it's 9pm
<Kodos>
Actually nevermind it's 9pmL1008[20:52:31] <Kodos>
Need to break down my PC
<Kodos>
Need to break down my PCL1009[20:52:38] <Kodos>
I'm off, back Soon™ when I have internet
<Kodos>
I'm off, back Soon™ when I have internetL1010[20:52:47] <S3> lol
L1011[20:53:41] <S3> CompanionCube: what
do you think?
L1012[20:54:13] <S3> the idea is to have
capture allow you to pass a table
L1013[20:54:16] <S3> and it returns a
list
L1014[20:54:26] <S3> or it crashes if at
any time the parameters don't match
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L1016[21:02:16] <gamax92>
s/oon/oni/
L1017[21:02:16] <MichiBot> <Kodos>
I'm off, back Soni™ when I have internet
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L1019[21:06:22] <CompanionCube> ok?
L1020[21:07:21] <gamax92> s/o/u/
L1021[21:07:21] <MichiBot>
<CompanionCube> uk?
L1022[21:09:08] <S3> CompanionCube: want
to see something evil?
L1023[21:09:11] <S3> https://hastebin.com/otumenalay.lua
L1024[21:10:03] <S3> tail recursive
Finite State Machine!
L1025[21:10:19] <S3> this is the power of
capture()
L1026[21:17:28] <CompanionCube> oo
L1027[21:29:26] <S3> I would love to keep
that format CompanionCube but
L1028[21:29:30] <S3> thisis faster
runtime:
L1029[21:29:34] <S3> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/bmIvtSN2/
L1030[21:29:39] <S3> what do you
think?
L1031[21:29:59] <S3> do gcd(2,3) and you
get 1
L1032[21:30:09] <S3> it's a tad uglier
but
L1033[21:30:11] <CompanionCube> both look
fine
L1034[21:30:22] <S3> isn't the best gcd
function in lua ever
L1035[21:30:23] <S3> XD
L1036[21:30:31] <S3> recursion at its
best
L1037[21:37:00] <payonel> S3: what about
unmanaged drives?
L1038[21:41:20] <S3> I was wondering if
ocvm supported them
L1039[21:41:29] <S3> also payonel don't
shit your pants: https://hastebin.com/liyiqafike.lua
L1040[21:41:40] <payonel> S3: i could add
them, but no, i haven't yet
L1041[21:41:58] <S3> I'm not
worried
L1042[21:42:07] <S3> I'm the only one who
uses them, probably
L1043[21:42:18] <S3> and my OSes have fs
drivers so it doesn't matter if it's managed or not
L1044[21:42:20] *
Izaya would be interested in that
L1045[21:42:30] <S3> Izaya: ?
L1046[21:42:33] <payonel> weird :)
L1047[21:42:50] <S3> what's weird
L1048[21:42:54] <payonel> your code
L1049[21:43:21] <payonel> S3: as for
setting up machines, btw, refer to the comments in
ocvm/client.cfg
L1050[21:43:31] <S3> I did get it
working
L1051[21:43:32] <payonel> there are
comments there that explain the config
L1052[21:43:38] <S3> as in getting
machines up
L1053[21:43:48] <S3> I haven't tested the
modem yet but that's cool stuff
L1054[21:43:49] <payonel> sure, but -- in
case you want to tweak a vm's components
L1055[21:44:00] <S3> yeah
L1056[21:44:03] <S3> it's similar to
ocemu
L1057[21:44:27] <payonel> one of these
days i should make a tool to edit your vm
L1058[21:45:09] <S3> with ansi codes you
could just make panels like curses
L1059[21:45:11] <S3> with menus
L1060[21:45:19] <S3> that'd be
weid..
L1061[21:45:21] <S3> weird*
L1062[21:45:22] <payonel> yeah - it would
be an in-vm tool
L1063[21:45:36] <payonel> an
overlay
L1064[21:45:55] <payonel> but, it would
just be so much easier instead to just make it a tool you run from
inside the vm
L1065[21:46:00] <S3> actually tbh you
could just make it a component in the computer and include soome
sort of lua code you can execute at any time by hitting some key
combo
L1066[21:46:00] <payonel> instead of an
overlay
L1067[21:46:10] <gamax92> which is what I
did
L1068[21:46:21] <gamax92> I even have
unscii floppy disk icons
L1069[21:46:21] <S3> heh
L1070[21:46:23] <payonel> yeah ^ and i
was inspired by ocemu obviously
L1071[21:46:30] <gamax92> pay me
royalties
L1072[21:46:31] <S3> I can see that
L1073[21:46:33] <payonel> and i already
have that component
L1074[21:46:42] <S3> heh
L1075[21:47:02] <payonel> right now all
it has is .. a method that lets you inject values into the client
config via a lua table access
L1076[21:47:27] <payonel> but i used that
to emulate adding and removing screens and keyboards
L1077[21:47:27] <S3> now in the real OC
we just need a component called
"nopasswordneededrootcommaandexecuter"
L1078[21:48:59] <S3> I know ocemu has
some sort of logging capability
L1079[21:49:26] <S3> I think that's a
component too
L1080[21:49:41] <S3> I can't
remember
L1081[21:50:06] <payonel> yeah, it
provides the ocemu component
L1082[21:50:12] <payonel> and it has a
log method
L1083[21:50:27] <S3> neat
L1084[21:50:28] <payonel> if you disable
debug in the config then the ocemu stdout is quiet
L1085[21:50:48] <payonel> the log calls
just print to stdout
L1086[21:51:23] <payonel> ocvm has
something almost like that ;)
L1087[21:51:52] <payonel>
"real" print logs to the log file, prefixed with [vm] or
something like that
L1088[21:51:57] <payonel> but the machine
sandbox hides that print
L1089[21:52:02] <payonel> but it's there
for when i want to expose it
L1090[21:52:15] <gamax92> S3: in ocemu,
every function of every component has a debug logger with what
arguments it received
L1091[21:52:29] <gamax92> so, enabling
debug globally results in a ton of information
L1092[21:52:36] <Izaya> payonel: can I
get actual debug output
L1093[21:52:44] <Izaya> with ocvm
L1094[21:52:49] <Izaya> it doesn't have
the ocemu debig component
L1095[21:53:13] <Izaya> that made more
sense in my head
L1096[21:53:18] <Izaya> it's the thing
that lets me log to the console anyway
L1097[21:53:22] <payonel> Izaya: what do
you mean "actual debug output" ? like how gamax92 logs
all component calls? or a log method you can call?
L1098[21:53:43] <Izaya>
component.ocemu.log("stuff")
L1099[21:53:58] <payonel> well for now,
until i add it in a component way
L1100[21:54:09] <payonel> edit the
machine.lua, and to the sandbox table, add: log = print
L1101[21:54:45] <payonel> then when you
call log("stuff"), you'll see "[--vm--] "
prefixed
L1102[21:54:54] <payonel> it works like
print, tabbing between args
L1103[21:55:21] *
payonel is afk
L1104[22:19:42] <Izaya> huh, almost
everything works with my flaky loader script
L1105[22:29:36] <gamax92> damn, Krakatau
has some of the worst looking Java output I've seen
L1106[22:31:10] <gamax92> no imports, no
sugar, no generics, poor parameter names
L1107[22:34:48] <gamax92> uses static
blocks too
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