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L11[04:50:08] <Inari> Factorio devs don't
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L13[04:50:46] <dequbed> Inari:
Understandable. What exactly are you refering to though?
L14[04:52:06] <Inari> Kovarex said he'd not
use Lua again as a scripting langauge :p
L15[04:53:21] <Inari> dequbed: Why though?
So far I've mostly heard people liking lua for gamedev stuff.
Except for its 1-based indexing
L16[04:53:37] <Inari> And what are the
alternatives around?
L17[04:54:41] <dequbed> Inari: It has the
advantage of being really really fast. But that's one of the few
points that are really going for Lua as a language. And if you
don't need that raw speed there are much better scripting languages
around.
L18[04:55:14] <Inari> It seems pretty great
to me, small, fast, flexible, but still easy to use
L19[04:56:29] <dequbed> Inari: But it's not
as good big code bases. It's really good for small scripts but if
you have large projects (aren't mods pure Lua as well?) Lua becomes
*really* tedious to use.
L20[04:56:30] <Inari> dequbed: I guess I'd
worry how well I can do things in other languages :p That I do with
coroutines and metatables in lua
L21[04:56:52] <Inari> Does it?
L22[04:56:59] <Inari> Why so
L23[04:58:12] <Inari> Though lua could be
better in a lot of ways, yeah
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L25[04:58:23] zsh
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L26[04:59:11] <dequbed> Compared to
powerful fp there's no competition, same for C++. But Lua also
lacks the abstraction level of e.g. Python's classes. Or simply
Python annotation to do some magic. It doesn't have Ruby's
extremely powerful meta-programming. And it's not as
meta-meta-programmable as e.g. Racket.
L27[04:59:50] <dequbed> None of these
features are necessary to do stuff. I mean C doesn't have any of
them either. But they make complex stuff just that much less
complex to do.
L28[04:59:59] <ben_mkiv> python... wonder
how that was ruled out by perl in the most hated language stats
from stackoverflow xD
L29[05:00:24] <Inari> Hm well lua classes
are quite abstractable imo, but then I don't know Python :P
L30[05:00:32] <dequbed> ben_mkiv: What do
you mean?
L31[05:00:45] <Inari> Assembly is the most
meta progammable language
L32[05:00:48] <ben_mkiv> https://stackoverflow.blog/2017/10/31/disliked-programming-languages/
L33[05:01:01] <Inari> "the great thing
about finding good SEO services is that it's super easy - just type
Search Engine Optimization into google"
L34[05:01:23] <ben_mkiv> but well, probably
its just something wrong with me for not liking python
L35[05:01:31] <dequbed> Inari: While true
it's not about ability to do things (Haskell forbids you to do *a
lot* of stuff) but about how easy it is to do. Meta-Programming
Racket is ... orders of magnitudes easier to do than ASM.
L36[05:01:38] <Izaya> Python is
okaytm
L37[05:01:59] <ben_mkiv> idk, only messed
once with it for some xbmc stuff
L38[05:02:00] <Izaya> I probably wouldn't
choose it over most things for an actual project but for throwing
together a shitty prototype it's totally fine
L39[05:02:06] <ben_mkiv> is it still bitchy
about syntax?
L40[05:03:12] <dequbed> ben_mkiv: Well,
most comparisons of Python vs. Perl do favour Python for being much
nicer for big projects. But then again every function programmer
says every fp-lang is much better at that anyway.
L41[05:05:57] <Izaya> use forth :^)
L42[05:06:32] <Inari> dartmouth basic
L43[05:07:28] <Izaya> bbc basic
L44[05:07:37] <dequbed> Izaya: Can forth
encapsulate my entire state machine into a simple graph of Monads
and Arrows that are each in themselves pure? :P
L45[05:08:04] <Izaya> dequbed: can haskell
run on a machine with 256 bytes of RAM? :P
L46[05:08:17] <dequbed> touche
L47[05:08:59] <Inari> I want the ultiamte
programming language :p
L48[05:09:30] <dequbed> Izaya: Regarding
that though, there was a company in Munich that programmed their
μc's in a dialect of FORTH.
L49[05:09:50] <Izaya> I imagine a lot of
places use FORTH for embedded stuff
L50[05:09:57] <dequbed> I think they were
in Munich at least. Met two of their programmers there
L51[05:11:46] <dequbed> Inari: I don't
think such a thing will ever exist. Every Problem Domain has
languages that are best suited for them though.
L52[05:18:48] <Demosthenex> ok, so in order
to change the item you have equipped in a robot, you have to have
an inventory controller upgrade?
L53[05:19:07] <Inari> I believe so
L54[05:19:19] <Inari> Vexatos: What do I do
about stargatetech2 api not wanting to compile :D
L55[05:19:36] <Inari> https://gist.github.com/Inari-Whitebear/46c72e06ee8d72020a8bce4f1c9477be
L56[05:20:28] <Vexatos> Yell at the
stargatetech2 dev, duh
L57[05:20:58] <Inari> Well the OC repo is
responsible for it, and it seems to compile for others
L58[05:24:24] <Demosthenex> anyone else use
emacs to write lua ;]
L59[05:24:40] <Corded> * <Forecaster>
uses IntelliJ
L60[05:25:31] <Izaya> obligatory holy war
vim mention
L61[05:27:09] <Inari> Well I guess I'll try
around and then see if payonel comes up with an answer xD
L62[05:27:17] <dequbed> obligatory
"get with the times old man use neovim" mention
L63[05:41:40] <Izaya> I should really try
neovim again
L64[05:41:55] <Izaya> last time it would
insert garbage characters at random
L65[05:43:57] <Demosthenex> sounds like
user error ;]
L66[05:44:24] <Izaya> quite possibly
L67[05:44:46] <Demosthenex> it's a modal
editor
L68[05:44:58] <Demosthenex> and the
commands are just letters.
L69[05:45:40] <Demosthenex> it's a common
problem with modal editors like vi that if you are in edit mode,
and accidentally break out into command mode, that you continue
typing your data, only now it's interpreted as commands... and
things go haywire
L70[05:45:55] <Izaya> I use vim regularly,
I didn't hit escape.
L71[05:45:59] <Demosthenex> ah
L72[05:46:09] <Demosthenex> well i have
much respect for vim, it's a decent programming editor
L73[05:46:19] <Demosthenex> even though i'm
a die hard emacs user
L74[05:47:16] 
<Forecaster>
I only use vim when editing config files on my server :P
<Forecaster>
I only use vim when editing config files on my server :PL75[05:48:43] <dequbed> Izaya: Neovim is
nice, but the biggest advantage of is is really that it forces Vim
to innovate again. See Vim 8's rpc for example.
L76[05:49:17] <Izaya> I don't use addons
enough for the changes to matter to me tbh
L77[05:49:54] <dequbed> But you should. The
new plugin architecture makes some really amazing stuff much
simpler than they used to be.
L78[05:49:59] <Izaya> Maybe if I wrote
stuff in java or something it'd matter but my vimrc is basically:
syntax on, dumb autoindent on, use spell checking for tex
files
L79[05:50:29] <dequbed> No YouCompleteMe or
Syntastic? :o
L80[05:50:30] <Demosthenex> dequbed: that's
where emacs always had a lead, emacs is the programmable
programmer's editor.
L81[05:50:59] <dequbed> Demosthenex: Emacs
is an OS that happens to be able to edit files. I wouldn't call
that an advantage.
L82[05:51:01] <Demosthenex> it's a lisp
machine with an editor as the primary application
L83[05:51:17] <dequbed> Also, vim could
always do that. It was just much more complex so people
didn't.
L84[05:51:27] <Demosthenex> dequbed: it is.
you just discussed how plugins let people "innovate",
emacs has had that since day one
L85[05:51:53] <dequbed> Demosthenex: Your
inability to read does not impress me. Vim always had
plugins.
L86[05:51:58] <Demosthenex> also, when ATOM
based editors are 800 MB of ram... being a whole OS with lisp and
text editor in 30 MB doesn't sound so bad anymore.
L87[05:52:49] <dequbed> Izaya: If nothing
else, install EasyMotion. It's so incredibly powerful.
L88[05:55:07] <Izaya> I hate
autocompletion, fwiw
L89[05:55:23] <Izaya> I'll look into
easymotion
L90[05:55:26] <dequbed> Demosthenex: I used
Emacs. I made the informed and voluntary decision to switch to Vim
because the "advantages" and advantages that Emacs offer
are none that I want to have while the drawbacks that it has
compared to Vim are relevant to me.
L91[05:58:05] <Demosthenex> dequbed: and i
just said that it's a decent programming editor. enjoy!
L92[05:59:49] <dequbed> Demosthenex: So is
Emacs, especially if you want its features. So enjoy it as well!
^^
L93[06:01:13] <Inari> Hrmm bleh, I hate
GUIs in MC :P Everytime I think of something like "let robots
do all the work" it won't work out cause GUIs
L94[06:02:31] <Forecaster>
%give MichiBot a Hrmm bleh
<Forecaster>
%give MichiBot a Hrmm blehL95[06:02:31] *
MichiBot accepts the Hrmm bleh and adds it to her
inventory
L96[06:02:46] <Inari> Haha
L97[06:03:08] <Forecaster>
%juggle 6
<Forecaster>
%juggle 6L98[06:03:08] *
MichiBot juggles with a micro-singularity, an orange oil lamp, no
tea, a love potion, Aperture Wine, & Water soluble
bikini
L99[06:03:09] *
MichiBot drops a micro-singularity which takes 5 damage, the
micro-singularity suddenly ceases to be.
L100[06:03:10] *
MichiBot drops no tea which takes 3 damage
L101[06:03:11] *
MichiBot drops a love potion which takes 1 damage
L102[06:03:12] *
MichiBot drops Aperture Wine which takes 2 damage, Aperture Wine
suddenly ceases to be.
L103[06:03:13] *
MichiBot drops Water soluble bikini which takes 3 damage, Water
soluble bikini is eaten by a Grue.
L104[06:03:14] <MichiBot> Dammit!
L105[06:03:27] <Forecaster>
that orange oil lamp keeps showing up
<Forecaster>
that orange oil lamp keeps showing upL106[06:03:35] <Forecaster>
and I keap reading it as "orange-oil lamp"
<Forecaster>
and I keap reading it as "orange-oil lamp"L107[06:06:36] <Demosthenex> so my first
simple bot has been a huge success. i'm in a gregtech 6 pack, and
his ore generation is basically one huge ore vein 5 blocks thick
that's 3x3 chunks. so you have to dig a shaft every 3 chunks trying
to find veins. i now have a robot i can place, give a pick and
fuel, and it digs a shaft straight down to take a "core
sample" to show if a vein is present.
L108[06:07:07] <Inari> Demosthenex: Have
you considered using a geolyzer
L109[06:07:17] <dequbed> Demosthenex: Nice
work! :D
L110[06:07:32] <dequbed> Now build a shed
to display said "core samples" :P
L111[06:07:49] <Demosthenex> i just need
to know, without me having to dig straight down and use a stack of
ladders to get back up ;]
L112[06:07:51] <Inari> Hmm or have ther
obot dig down
L113[06:07:52] <Demosthenex>
geolyzer?
L114[06:07:54] <Inari> log what it
digs
L115[06:08:01] <Inari> And have it build
that bakc up as a stack on the surface
L116[06:08:05] <Inari> to visually see the
sample :D
L117[06:08:20] <Demosthenex> ha! yeah, i
don't need to know what layer it found it on, i just need to see
what it found in inventory
L118[06:08:21] <Inari> Demosthenex: Yeah,
it gives you inof on density, from which you can deduce maybe if
something is present
L119[06:08:26] <Inari> Or well hardness I
guess it uses
L120[06:09:09] <Demosthenex> so yeah, it's
a totally different method of mining... if you mine horizontally,
you'll never find ore.
L121[06:09:21] <Demosthenex> you really
have to dig shafts to find layers of strata
L122[06:11:17] <Inari> Yeah, I like the
"bigger veins, but rarer" appraoch
L123[06:11:19] <dequbed> Demosthenex:
Gregtech should be ported to some Clone with much higher ground
depths. That sounds like an amazing feature for e.g. Minetest with
it's literal kilometers of ground.
L124[06:11:38] <Inari> There was a pretty
good mod for that
L125[06:11:40] <Izaya> 32km down, 32km up,
IIRC
L126[06:11:48] <Inari> ew Minetest
xP
L127[06:11:58] <Izaya> >not liking the
best MC clone
L128[06:12:10] <Inari> It's just terrible
:|
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L130[06:12:43] <Izaya> yup, 62k^3 worlds,
sea level is zero and it goes negative
L131[06:13:05] <dequbed> Izaya: I'd like
something not lua-based for mods though :/
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L133[06:13:23] <Izaya> I'd like something
more generic that you could use with a bunch of languages
L134[06:13:35] <Inari> Or at least it was
terrible least time I tried it :P Should retry
L135[06:13:56] <Izaya> it's still not much
of a game tbh
L136[06:14:25] <Inari> CustomOreGen i
twas, great mod
L137[06:14:35] <Forecaster>
coding is difficult when you've got a cat in your lap
<Forecaster>
coding is difficult when you've got a cat in your lapL138[06:14:48] <Inari> @Forecaster tell
that to AmandaC
L139[06:14:55] <dequbed> Inari: It's at
the level of MC classic with the bad parts of survival last I
checked. <.>
L140[06:15:27] <Izaya> on the upside, it
doesn't have the hunger system
L141[06:20:22] <Izaya> on the upside, it
doesn't have the hunger system
L142[06:20:25] <Izaya> oops
L143[06:20:40] <Izaya> tmw you go to run a
command again but realise you changed buffers
L144[06:47:00] <AmandaC> Inari: so you're
saying I should be laying on the keyboard instead?
L145[06:52:49] <Forecaster>
that wouldn't work out well
<Forecaster>
that wouldn't work out wellL146[06:53:01] <Forecaster>
my stand barely supports my keyboard itself
<Forecaster>
my stand barely supports my keyboard itselfL147[06:56:03] <Inari> dequbed: Last I
checked it had a terrible interface, no dropped items from mining,
etc :p
L148[06:57:53] <dequbed> Inari: I'll give
you the interface but I think mining drops items now.
L149[06:59:46] <MichiBot> gamax92
REMINDER: Big French
L150[06:59:48] <Izaya> Mining deposited
items into your inventory last I checked, but that was 0.4.15, .16
is out now
L151[07:19:51] <S3> weirdest thing
happened last night
L152[07:20:01] <S3> parked the car for 5
mins
L153[07:20:10] <S3> got back in and
battery was so dead it wouldn't even try to start
L154[07:20:43] <ben_mkiv> maybe some
shorted cells
L155[07:20:45] <S3> granted we were
messing with the ECU earlier but shouldn't have killed it XD
L156[07:20:54] <ben_mkiv> in the
battery^
L157[07:21:10] <S3> my road is actually a
hill
L158[07:21:14] <S3> going down
L159[07:21:39] <S3> so if I had to I could
always just push it but it's dangerous because it comes to a T in
another road
L160[07:29:09] <ben_mkiv> ^^ and you got
no break support unless the engine is running
L161[07:29:15] <ben_mkiv> so handbreak it
is :P
L162[07:31:24] <S3> ben_mkiv: I have no
handbrake
L163[07:31:42] <S3> I need to replace the
rums they are bare
L164[07:31:47] <S3> literally I can not
use them
L165[07:32:04] <S3> When i bought it I got
out of the car quick then ended up chasing my jeep down the
road
L166[07:32:08] <S3> first time I parked
it
L167[07:32:30] <S3> before I got in the
habbit of not leaving it in neutral
L168[07:33:10] <S3> the brakes will work
when the car is off, it's just that the brake fluid is not
sufficiently in the back, so they definately don't work well
L169[07:33:17] <S3> my brakes are 100%
hydraulic
L170[07:34:13] <dequbed> ben_mkiv: I'm
pretty sure most small cars (think PKW) have purely hydraulic
brakes that don't need engine support and even heavy cars have
backups that will engage when the engine is off.
L171[07:34:46] <S3> Some are electric->
hydraulic
L172[07:34:55] <S3> my friend has a car
with a 100% electric pedal
L173[07:35:01] <S3> the computer controls
the hydraulic brake system
L174[07:35:03] <dequbed> Oh god please
no.
L175[07:35:09] <S3> it's annoying as
fuck
L176[07:35:18] <S3> literally there isn't
even a feedback
L177[07:35:27] <S3> it's like pushing a
spring loaded lever even
L178[07:36:50] <dequbed> Yep no thanks. I
prefer cars with exactly one wire: the ignition.
L179[07:36:57] <S3> ahahahahaha
L180[07:37:17] <S3> I'm really liking the
fact that I have a 2005 with no ABS
L181[07:37:45] <dequbed> Which will
basically mean I'll drive old trucks for the rest of my life. Yay
\o/
L182[07:38:16] <S3> lol.
L183[07:38:47] <S3> dequbed: I've actually
been working on a project that could eventually be used for a
custom ECU
L184[07:39:34] <dequbed> S3: I was
thinking about that. Getting a car where you can (comparatively)
easily replace all the electronics and then just .. do exactly
that.
L185[07:40:06] <S3> the ignition firing is
the hardest part
L186[07:40:16] <S3> some cars have signals
that tell you the piston location which is useful
L187[07:40:20] <S3> some have none
whatsoever
L188[07:40:24] <S3> and is 100% timed
(WTF?)
L189[07:40:25] <dequbed> And remove such
great ideas like linking up the infotainment system with the
central CAN bus. The smarts that car builders have.
L190[07:40:41] <S3> some have a notch in a
gear to tell you the position of all of them
L191[07:40:54] <S3> I am supporting
CAN
L192[07:41:38] <dequbed> S3 Common Rail
Diesel ftw?
L193[07:42:04] <S3> heh,.
L194[07:42:07] <S3> to be honest
L195[07:42:09] <S3> I like carbs
L196[07:42:24] <dequbed> S3: Yes, CAN in
itself is not bad. The bad idea is linking up infotainment to the
CAN bus so a bug (or RCE) in the Windows Embedded that runs on
those means anybody can take over your car.
L197[07:42:47] <S3> though my father had a
really cool fuel injection system for his car that had throttle
body fuel injection on top of the carbs
L198[07:42:52] <Mettaton_Fab> my dad had a VW T4
once
<Mettaton_Fab> my dad had a VW T4
onceL199[07:42:54] <dequbed> S3: Different
people different preferences. I'll take a Diesel over a Gasoline
car any day ;)
L200[07:43:04] <Mettaton_Fab> wasa great car, simple old
diesel engine
<Mettaton_Fab> wasa great car, simple old
diesel engineL201[07:43:08] <S3> the injectors would
open the carbs and squirg gas like 4 inches down into the carbs
directly
L202[07:43:13] <S3> squirt*
L203[07:43:25] <S3> my jeep can fit a
diesel
L204[07:43:30] <Mettaton_Fab> it died because of engine
damage
<Mettaton_Fab> it died because of engine
damageL205[07:43:32] <S3> I dunno how much
torque it has though
L206[07:43:45] <Mettaton_Fab> i still have the cigarette
lighter from it
<Mettaton_Fab> i still have the cigarette
lighter from itL207[07:45:41] <S3> Though if I get some
extra money I could upgrade
L208[07:46:07] <Arcanitor>
i am told diesels are rather dirty but more fuel-efficient than
gasoline
<Arcanitor>
i am told diesels are rather dirty but more fuel-efficient than
gasolineL209[07:46:17] <S3> I have a 225 cu in v6
right now with a little under 250 HP
L210[07:47:33] <S3> but there's a 287 v8
and then a 5.x liter hemi v8 thatl also fit it
L211[07:47:41] <S3> with about 350
HP
L212[07:48:03] <S3> but it gets pretty low
mileage :D
L213[07:49:22] <dequbed> @Arcanitor
depends on the Diesel. One of the problems is that the more
efficient and cleaner you run them the more risk you have of your
engine blowing up. But lately a lot of research has been done into
making diesel cleaner, e.g. SCR. And Common Rail injection can make
diesel more efficient.
L214[07:50:07] <S3> the other problem is
that I live in Maine, and diesels have to be preheated here
L215[07:50:23] <S3> but fortunately light
poles at the stores have outlets often for them
L216[07:51:53] <dequbed> S3: As long as
your diesel doesn't gel common rail can also solve that problem
because at 29kpsi it does not matter how cold your engine is. Also
the ECU could initially inject very little fuel to keep material
stress down.
L217[07:52:06] <S3> I dunno..
L218[07:52:25] <S3> -40 is cold enough
even to make it hard to start my gas engines sometimes
L219[07:53:20] <dequbed> C or F?
L220[07:54:03] <Izaya> dequbed: speaking
of replacing/adding electronics, I know a guy doing an electric
conversion of a VW bug
L221[07:54:22] <dequbed> Izaya: As in
making it an electric car?
L222[07:54:27] <Izaya> yes
L223[07:54:34] <dequbed> Heh, nice
:D
L224[07:54:42] <Izaya> seems like a cool
project
L225[07:54:56] <Izaya> apparently it won't
be hard to get road legal where he is either
L226[07:55:08] <dequbed> Austria? :P
L227[07:55:21] <S3> dequbed: -40 C is -40
F
L228[07:55:22] <S3> :P
L229[07:55:25] <Izaya> some US state
L230[07:55:36] <Izaya> might be texas but
I forget
L231[07:55:50] <S3> The only time I will
ever want to drive an electric car is if it had a manual
transmission
L232[07:56:03] <S3> otherwise fuck
that
L233[07:56:41] <Izaya> electric cars are a
really cool idea but they're full of complicated electronics I'd
probably never be able to figure out unless I built one myself and
that isn't quite allowed so
L234[07:56:57] <Mettaton_Fab> old smarts are funny to
drive
<Mettaton_Fab> old smarts are funny to
driveL235[07:57:24] <dequbed> S3: TIL units
can't Fahrenheit.
L236[07:57:30] <dequbed> that is the
tool
L237[07:57:44] <S3> dequbed: lol
L238[07:57:53] <dequbed> Izaya: You'd be
surprised how easy it is to get road legal in Europe...
L239[07:58:01] <AmandaC> dequbed: I think
it can, but you have to spell it out
L240[07:58:16] <AmandaC> (so, not F)
L241[07:58:21] <dequbed> AmandaC: -40 degF
-> -22 degC
L242[07:58:43] <Izaya> dequbed: so I could
add an electric engine and shit to a chassis and I'd probably be
able to get it road legal with enough work?
L243[07:58:58] <dequbed> AmandaC: same for
degfahrenheit -> degcelcius
L244[07:59:17] <Izaya> can't get a car
allowed on the road unless you know a mechanic well or it's a
recognizable make and model
L245[07:59:21] <Izaya> here, anywya
L246[07:59:22] <dequbed> Izaya: As in
students at XDjackieXD's high school *literally* did that and got
road cert.
L247[07:59:22] <Izaya> anyway
L248[07:59:33] <Izaya> Oh.
L249[07:59:39] <AmandaC> dequbed: ah
L250[07:59:43] *
Izaya checks airline ticket prices
L251[08:00:06] <Izaya> tfw muscle cars
have heavy chassis
L252[08:00:16] <S3> in the US road legal
isn't so hard as long as it has 2 or less wheels
L253[08:00:17] <S3> er
L254[08:00:19] <S3> 3 or less*
L255[08:00:41] <S3> if your car has 4
wheels it needs to have a large number of test vehicles for
collision tests
L256[08:00:57] <S3> with passing results
of course
L257[08:01:02] <Izaya> S3: [cue motorized
unicycle]
L258[08:01:12] <S3> Izaya: monocycle is
what I'd want
L259[08:02:08] <AmandaC> Highway legal
might be a different story
L260[08:02:40] <S3> no idea, I would think
it'd be the same
L261[08:02:45] <S3> 'a roads a road
L262[08:03:29] <AmandaC> In PA at least
bicycles are considered "road legal" but you can't go on
the highway on then
L263[08:03:34] <S3> omg so speaking of
weird shit ben_mkiv I was having trouble steering and getting like
10 mpg in my jeep which usually gets like 18 - 30
L264[08:03:40] <S3> AmandaC:
interesting
L265[08:03:47] <dequbed> AmandaC: You have
to spell it out but differently: tempF(-40) -> tempC gives you
the rights results =.=
L266[08:03:49] <S3> yeah same here
L267[08:03:54] <AmandaC> Otherwise you're
supposed to treat them the same as a car, and they're supposed to
follow most of the same road laws
L268[08:04:02] <S3> in terms of
bicycles
L269[08:04:28] <S3> a bicyclist is almost
a pedestrian though
L270[08:04:43] <S3> and pedestrians are
almost always never allowed on the highwayt
L271[08:05:16] <S3> ben_mkiv: well I fixed
my steering / mpg problems big time
L272[08:05:35] <S3> my front right tire
was so low on air the guage wouldn't even move, it was like < 8
lbs
L273[08:05:48] <S3> and my left front tire
was probably 20 out of the 33 it needed to be
L274[08:06:01] <dequbed> Always check your
tire pressures kids!
L275[08:06:06] <S3> lol
L276[08:06:13] <S3> the scary thought
was
L277[08:06:21] <S3> I was going like 80 on
that tire earlier that day..
L278[08:06:48] <dequbed> So basically you
drove 80 mph on the rim? :P
L279[08:06:53] <Inari> Hmm is there/has
there ever been a well functioning MC mod that allows to have
"subworlds" which are like e.g. floating islands with
normal blocks. But ones that still operate properly in all the ways
they would on the normal chunk grid?
L280[08:06:56] <S3> almost
L281[08:07:01] <S3> there was just enough
air to prevent it
L282[08:07:12] <S3> surprising
consuidering my 3.7L V6 sitting on top
L283[08:07:21] <ben_mkiv> you can make
void worlds with rftools dimensions
L284[08:07:31] <Inari> No I mean
like
L285[08:07:34] <Inari> In the normal
world
L286[08:07:37] <Mettaton_Fab> what about a tricycle with a
smart motor?
<Mettaton_Fab> what about a tricycle with a
smart motor?L287[08:07:41] <Inari> like an airship fro
example :P
L288[08:07:47] <dequbed> That sounds a lot
like your tyre is completely broken now S3 :P
L289[08:07:56] <S3> dequbed: it's actually
all good!
L290[08:08:03] <S3> thankfully for having
large tires
L291[08:08:05] <ben_mkiv> you mean another
dimension which gets rendered in the main dimension?
L292[08:08:49] <Inari> ben_mkiv: Not
entirely, but it could work that way I guess. I mean like, if you
built an airship, but it's not part of the normal chunks/blocks
grid, it is it's own thing that you can build on and can be rotated
smoothly
L293[08:08:56] <dequbed> S3: Semi-new and
warm? Because I a old & cold tire would just break..
<.<
L294[08:09:15] <ben_mkiv> inari, that does
this somehow https://minecraft.curseforge.com/projects/lookingglass
L295[08:09:19] <Inari> ben_mkiv: You know
archimedes ships?
L296[08:09:29] <S3> it was about 40
degrees yesterday I'd assume
L297[08:09:30] <ben_mkiv> no
L298[08:09:31] <S3> F
L299[08:09:44] <S3> it wasn't freezing but
it was colder than last week for sure
L300[08:10:11] <S3> itt's 28 today
:D
L301[08:10:15] <dequbed> Inari: There's
Archimedes Ships and that does it about as good as possible in the
(rather bad) architecture of MC. As far as I know that is.
L302[08:10:31] <Inari> dequbed: Yeah, but
its bad xD
L303[08:10:38] <dequbed> Inari: Blame
MC.
L304[08:10:42] <Inari> :p
L305[08:11:12] <dequbed> S3: Some day I'm
gonna visit your state just to see if it's as much of hell as you
make it out to be :P
L306[08:11:29] <S3> dequbed: what? it's
not hell at all
L307[08:11:31] <S3> it's paradise
L308[08:11:36] <ben_mkiv> ah, so you kinda
want something like a entity from something you've built
L309[08:11:43] <Inari> ben_mkiv: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub03L4oUN7I&t=5m8s
there at 5:08-ish you can see a boat built out of normal blocks,
then he gets into it and it turns into an entity basically. I want
something like that, but I want it always detached from the nromal
world, and able to build on it
L310[08:11:45] <S3> also, dequbed if I
blow my tire there's no issue whatsoever besides my wallet
L311[08:11:47] <MichiBot> Minecraft Mod
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L312[08:11:51] <S3> because I don't have a
donut
L313[08:11:57] <S3> I have a full tire on
the back of the tailgate
L314[08:12:02] <Inari> There was a mod
like that once though I don't recall its name, but it was also not
really working that well
L315[08:12:11] <dequbed> S3: Big tires =
big pricetag though :(
L316[08:12:12] <S3> so I can use trhe
spare and drive 80 on the spare no problem :D
L317[08:12:16] <S3> yeah..
L318[08:12:49] <dequbed> I'd rather not
spend 300 bucks on a tyre I could waste on different parts :P
L319[08:13:09] <ben_mkiv> like
gravestones?
L320[08:13:11] <S3> yeah I need to spend a
few hundred dollars and pull the transmission out
L321[08:13:26] <S3> I need to replace a
syncronizer
L322[08:13:34] <Inari> ben_mkiv: Hm?
L323[08:13:42] <ben_mkiv> was about that
tyre comment xD
L324[08:13:46] <Inari> Ah
L325[08:13:49] <S3> there's this huge
difference between a car that has no syncro in reverse, and a car
that USED to have a syncro in reverse.
L326[08:13:56] <dequbed> ben_mkiv: No
thanks. Burn me or throw me into an unmarked grave, not like I'm
around to care.
L327[08:14:05] <ben_mkiv> :>
L328[08:14:20] <dequbed> S3: xD good
job
L329[08:14:25] <S3> dequbed: not my
fault
L330[08:14:41] <dequbed> I'd hope so
:P
L331[08:14:45] <Inari> http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/mapping-and-modding-java-edition/minecraft-mods/1291311-metaworlds-mod-v0-995-fly-working-worlds-around
Hmm that migth be what I thought of
L332[08:15:09] <S3> dequbed: the center
console was in the way of the shift lever because the lever got
loose, so they just pushed harder on the lever instead of just
taking an allen wrench and tightening it which wa like a 30 second
job..
L333[08:15:17] <S3> so they completely
burned up the syncro
L334[08:15:23] <Inari> Anyway
L335[08:15:26] <S3> and it's very hard to
get in reverse
L336[08:15:27] <Inari> Those mods don't
usually work too well
L337[08:15:39] <dequbed> I .. wat .. how
are people so stupid?!
L338[08:15:41] <Inari> i.e. you can't use
blocks on them, and they break graphics
L339[08:16:33] <S3> dequbed: on the other
hand, I got a 2005 jeep that besides that is in pristine condition
with only 150K miles for $1700
L340[08:16:37] <S3> :>
L341[08:16:56] <dequbed> .. fucking worth
every penny :D
L342[08:17:26] <Mettaton_Fab> its snowing rn
<Mettaton_Fab> its snowing rnL343[08:17:34] <dequbed> No it's not
:P
L344[08:17:40] <Mettaton_Fab> i am confused as to why it
snows
<Mettaton_Fab> i am confused as to why it
snowsL345[08:17:59] <Mettaton_Fab> well, here in germany its
snowing
<Mettaton_Fab> well, here in germany its
snowingL346[08:18:04] <dequbed> You *are*
confused. It's definitely not snowing :P
L347[08:18:05] <S3> dequbed: especially
since it's a 6 speed ? :D
L348[08:18:13] <dequbed> S3: Nice :3
L349[08:18:23] <S3> it drives like a hot
rod
L350[08:18:27] <Mettaton_Fab> want a picture?
<Mettaton_Fab> want a picture?L351[08:18:50] <Inari> Ugh
L352[08:18:53] <Inari> I just want a good
MC space mod
L353[08:18:54] <Inari> :<
L354[08:18:59] <Mettaton_Fab> or what else would this
white stuff falling outside be?
<Mettaton_Fab> or what else would this
white stuff falling outside be?L355[08:19:28] <Inari> It was snowing here
earlier
L356[08:19:30] <Inari> Germany too
L357[08:19:42] <Mettaton_Fab> still is snowing here
<Mettaton_Fab> still is snowing hereL358[08:19:49] <Mettaton_Fab> southern germany
<Mettaton_Fab> southern germanyL359[08:20:12] <Inari> White stuff you
say, that isn't snow
L360[08:20:12] <Inari> ;D
L361[08:20:25] <dequbed> Also, it *is*
november. It's not exactly news when it snows in November. Not in
Bavaria/BW.
L362[08:22:01] <Mettaton_Fab> for me it is
<Mettaton_Fab> for me it isL363[08:22:12] <dequbed> Then you must be
very young... :P
L364[08:23:40] <S3> yeah dude
L365[08:23:43] <S3> it snowed here the
other day
L366[08:26:20] <Mettaton_Fab> i should buy an
ushanka
<Mettaton_Fab> i should buy an
ushankaL367[08:27:59] <dequbed> What out or else
the Pegida-People will try to get you deported "back" to
russia :P
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L369[08:28:51] <S3> mettaton_fab: We call
them mad bomber hats
L370[08:28:51] <S3> :D
L371[08:29:51] <Mettaton_Fab> those things are comfy
af
<Mettaton_Fab> those things are comfy
afL372[08:30:47] <dequbed> Mettaton_Fab: At
least get one with CCCP insignia on it :P
L373[08:35:48] <S3> believe it or not
sometimes they just aren't warm enough
L374[08:35:54] <S3> I have had to put them
on top of other hats
L375[08:36:12] <S3> usually on days when
the wind is blowing fierce in a noreasta
L376[08:36:19] <Izaya> I desire a black
t-shirt with a red hammer and sickle
L377[08:36:25] <S3> heh
L378[08:36:34] <Izaya> not for any
practical purpose
L379[08:36:50] <dequbed> Izaya: You like
to be a walking trigger, we know :P
L380[08:36:58] <Izaya> :D
L381[08:37:03] <S3> Izaya: so uh
L382[08:37:19] <Izaya> if it makes any
difference, I avoid clothes with markings on them
L383[08:37:54] <S3> I dunno I always
wanted one of those "I pooped today" shirts
L384[08:38:37] <Izaya> dequbed: maybe I
should get a shirt with a firing mechanism design in that
case
L385[08:38:44] <S3> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41IJ%2BcYiWOL._SX342_.jpg
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L387[08:38:45]
zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L388[08:38:51] <S3> something like
that
L389[08:39:10] <Izaya> \o/
L390[08:39:12] <dequbed> Izaya: That would
actually work in Germany. Some People over here are extremely
anti-guns
L391[08:39:33] <Izaya> dequbed: that's
amusing on several levels
L392[08:46:59] <AmandaC> It'd definitely
work in Australia
L393[08:47:11] <AmandaC> They're
completely disarmed
L394[08:47:17] <Inari> dequbed: https://minecraft.curseforge.com/projects/valkyrien-warfare
Looks interesting
L395[08:48:43] <Izaya> AmandaC: most
people don't have guns but very rarely is anyone distinctly against
them
L396[08:49:01] <dequbed> Inari: Huh.
L397[08:50:22] <dequbed> AmandaC: And in
Germany people are very actively anti-weapon. It's incredibly hard
to get any weapon to begin with and everytime as much as an
accident happens people are up in arms how the state could possibly
allow people to possess such incredibly dangerous things!
L398[08:51:11] <AmandaC> Brb, applying for
asylum in Germany
L399[08:51:33] <Mimiru> Ditto
L400[08:52:05] <AmandaC> Over here all the
happens after an attack is "thoughts and prayers"
L401[08:52:19] <AmandaC> (Guess the
country!)
L402[08:52:58] <dequbed> AmandaC: Welcome
to the country where you will be threatened with a machete or other
very much deadly knife because they are not classified as weapons
and have nothing to defend yourself because the state disallows you
from posessing self-defense tools of any kind. The US has gun
issues, yes. But Germany does not do it the right way either.
L403[08:53:50] <AmandaC> Yes, because a
machete is the same as an assault rifle
L404[08:54:00] <dequbed> Look at Canada,
look at Switzerland, look at the Czech Republic. You don't *need*
to prohibit all weapon ownership to get crime down.
L405[08:54:02] <Saphire> Same in Russia.
You can easily have a butchering knife carried by you
L406[08:54:26] <S3> tbh dequbed
L407[08:54:28] <dequbed> As I said, THE US
HAS GUN ISSUES. I realize that. But I don't like Germany's weapn
laws.
L408[08:54:39] <Skye> Izaya: if you were
wearing a shirt with a hammer and sickle... There's a group of
people who you'd think be triggered, but would find it funny and
then ask you were you got it from so they can get it.
L409[08:55:00] <S3> I know somebody who
once got a knock on his door one night (he lives a few states away
in a big city) and he opened the door and there was this guy who
had a sword and was trying to kill him
L410[08:55:01] <Skye> dequbed: the UK bans
guns and large knives.
L411[08:55:03] <S3> know what he
did?
L412[08:55:03] <Skye> :P
L413[08:55:20] <S3> he took a broom stick,
went under his sword and flipped teh sword right out of his hands
out into the street
L414[08:55:21] <Vexatos> dequbed, you
actually aren't allowed to run around with a Machete either
:I
L415[08:55:23] <S3> xD
L416[08:56:11] <Temia> To be fair,
dequbed, some Canadian provinces have have to deal with bears
L417[08:56:26] <S3> guns are definately
not the issue but
L418[08:56:50] <dequbed> Vexatos: a)
Doesn't matter to the Nazi who dislikes your looks and as long as
he can get one.. b) I think the law says "verschlossener
Behaelter", not "abgeschlossen" so carrying it in a
backpack would be fine.
L419[08:57:05] <Skye> Guns should be
banned in cities, maybe in the country side there could be
exemptions.
L420[08:57:29] <S3> if guns were outlawed
here in Maine one of two things would happen a) everyone would
still have guns because fuck the rest, or b) families would
starve
L421[08:57:29] <Skye> dequbed: question:
can you back up stuff with data?
L422[08:57:40] <S3> Skye: unfortunately
guns are like drugs
L423[08:57:43] <S3> if you cut the supply
of guns
L424[08:57:48] <S3> the supply doesn't
change.
L425[08:58:02] <S3> and it causes mor
crime
L426[08:58:08] <S3> and people that
shouldn't have guns have more guns
L427[08:58:09] <Inari> Skye: I don't
really see why you'd want exceptions for the countryside
L428[08:58:33] <Inari> But then again, I
guess In europe "countryside" means something different
than in the US
L429[08:58:41] <Skye> Well hmm
L430[08:58:53] *
Temia sips her coffee. Is glad to be one of those canadians who
doesn't have to deal with bears. And that's the extent of her
involvement in this debate tyvm.
L431[08:58:53] <dequbed> Temia: This is
not specifically about guns, but about weapons in general. You're
now allowed to get pepper spray either, knifes are forbidden but
only certain kinds. It's a mess.
L432[08:59:05] <S3> Temia: we are lucky
":D
L433[08:59:06] <dequbed> Skye: What
exactly?
L434[08:59:06] <Vexatos> dequbed, you are
definitely living in the wrong neighborhood
L435[08:59:08] <S3> Temia: we have black
bears
L436[08:59:10] <Skye> If you're in nowhere
then maybe you should, if you could get eaten by a bear.
L437[08:59:14] <S3> and black bears are
quite shy / friendly
L438[08:59:20] <dequbed> Vexatos: No, I'm
politically active and look the wrong way :)
L439[08:59:23] <Inari> S3: hug em
L440[08:59:27] <S3> NO
L441[08:59:31] <S3> they're not -that-
friendly
L442[08:59:34] <Inari> :<
L443[08:59:35] <Skye> But if you're in a
city, there is no reason to get a gun.
L444[08:59:51] <Inari> https://i.imgur.com/CNZdLa2.jpg ?
L445[08:59:52] <S3> Skye: why is that?
what if you hunt for food out of the city?
L446[09:00:20] <S3> that is NOT a blakc
bear
L447[09:00:20] <S3> :D
L448[09:00:27] <Temia> Black bears are
okay! I had those back when I lived in the PNW.
L449[09:00:46] <Skye> S3, well... Maybe
there could be a locked shed or something?
L450[09:00:46] <Temia> Polar bears and
grizzlies and their horrific spawn together? Not okay.
L451[09:00:51] <Inari> It's a bear, stop
being racist
L452[09:00:54] <S3> the nice thing about
black bear is that during mating season if one chases after you due
to cubs or some shit, all you have to do is play dead
L453[09:01:01] <S3> if you play dead for a
bklack bear they lose interest very fast
L454[09:01:16] <Inari> Doesn't sound that
easy
L455[09:01:17] <Inari> xD
L456[09:01:25] <S3> well compared to a
brown bear
L457[09:01:56] <Skye> S3, dequbed: the UK
and US are different though.
L458[09:02:00] *
AmandaC would rather live in a country with gun laws than one
without one because "*mutter mutter* Constitution! *Mutter
mutter*"
L459[09:02:14] <dequbed> Skye: That is
completely correct, I *never* stated otherwise.
L460[09:02:17] <Skye> The UK is populated
densely and a wild animal isn't going to eat you
L461[09:02:29] <Temia> Unless you're
already dead.
L462[09:02:30] <S3> Skye: butu you eat
animals right?
L463[09:02:49] <dequbed> AmandaC: Sure,
there are a lot of thsoe around. Actually more like every 1st world
country except the US :P
L464[09:02:49] <S3> whatchya gonna do?
chase after a bear with a butter knife?
L465[09:03:14] <Skye> S3, we don't have
bears
L466[09:03:43] <dequbed> Skye: Also
correct. I'm not talking about weapons for defense against animals.
In the central EU that's not necessary, the most aggressive animals
are chiwawas.
L467[09:04:00] <Inari> I mean
L468[09:04:06] <Inari> wild boars are
pretty aggressive
L469[09:04:06] <Inari> :P
L470[09:04:06] <S3> Skye: we have things
that look like polecats that will gtear your face right off
L471[09:04:26] <dequbed> Inari: Chiwawas
are literal balls of hatred though.
L472[09:04:38] <Inari> Less dangerous
though
L473[09:04:40] <Skye> Though there are
many places in the US that don't need guns.
L474[09:04:41] <S3> they're basically
wolverines on cocaine
L475[09:04:49] <dequbed> I didn't say
dangerous. I said aggressive :P
L476[09:04:54] <S3> Skye: yes but nobody
cares about those people
L477[09:05:01] <Skye> The whole argument
about other people and "self defence" is pretty
silly.
L478[09:05:03] <Inari> dequbed: Needing a
weapon implies the aggressiveness is dangerous
L479[09:05:03] <Inari> :p
L480[09:05:05] <S3> because they live in a
uncivilized places called cities
L481[09:05:09] <S3> :P
L482[09:05:31] <dequbed> Inari: Please
stop taking me out of context already. I'm still not talking about
weapons for defense against animals .-.
L483[09:05:49] <Skye> dequbed: guns just
make things worse.
L484[09:06:01] <dequbed> Skye: I'm not
talking about guns specifically either ._.
L485[09:06:10] <dequbed> *sigh*
L486[09:06:13] <S3> tbh guns don't make
things worse, people do
L487[09:06:16] <Skye> And your argument
about how criminals still get guns is wrong... See the UK. :P
L488[09:06:22] <Inari> "I'm not
talking about weapons for defense against animals. In the central
EU that's not necessary, the most aggressive animals are
chiwawas." Well I'm just saying there are definitely animals
you'd want to defend yourself again in central europe
L489[09:06:34] <Inari> *against
L490[09:06:41] <AmandaC> S3: yes, but
without guns worse people can't kill 45 people in 5 minutes
L491[09:07:04] <S3> Skye: you know it
wasn't long before I was born that the kids that rode the bus every
day left their guns at the front of the bus with the driver.
L492[09:07:11] <Inari> AmandaC: There are
bombs, but we don't legally sell those at least :p
L493[09:07:35] <dequbed> Skye: I'm not
talking about Guns. Criminals can use any weapon that they can get
their hands on. Knifes, Knucklebusters, Pepper spray (if you really
wanted), and yes *also* guns. I'm concentrating on the first three,
not the last one. <.<
L494[09:07:55] <dequbed> Inari: Uh.. which
ones?
L495[09:08:02] <Inari> dequbed: Wild
boars
L496[09:08:05] <S3> AmandaC: no.. without
guns more of those people will exist, because it's the same as the
war on drugs equation. People who shouldn't have guns now all have
guns.
L497[09:08:19] *
AmandaC sighs
L498[09:08:23] <Skye> S3, that is wrong,
see the UK
L499[09:08:30] <S3> Skye: it's
happened
L500[09:08:35] <Skye> There has been no
attack where Guns have been used recently
L501[09:08:44] <S3> the same thing
happened with prohibition of alchohol
L502[09:08:45] <dequbed> Inari: Fair
point. But those are rather rare, central EU is (like the UK)
densly populated and forests where wild boars live tend to not have
humans in them.
L503[09:09:01] <Inari> dequbed: Well
they're often in cities too, like Berlin
L504[09:09:07] <S3> Skye: the US ha sa
very different mindset, and it is EXTREMELY easy to import ilegal
goods into the US, it's baby walking
L505[09:09:12] <S3> that easyt
L506[09:09:12] <Vexatos> We have wild
boars in our garden regularly
L507[09:09:16] <Vexatos> now what :I
L508[09:09:19] <S3> the UK is probably
quite differengt
L509[09:09:21] <Vexatos> they run away as
soon as they see you
L510[09:09:22] <Skye> S3, so that's a
different issue
L511[09:09:31] <AmandaC> Australia had one
bad mass shooting, and locked down guns massively. One hasn't
happen since, s3
L512[09:09:37] <dequbed> Vexatos: Take
your gov-issued G36, aim around the corner and shoot them! :D
L513[09:09:48] <S3> Skye: it just so turns
out that in the Us and many other places in the world, cutting the
supply only makes things worse.
L514[09:09:52] <Vexatos> I only have a
dagger knife and I can't even find that >-<
L515[09:09:52] <Inari> Vexatos: Depends on
the animal, there are more or less agressive ones :P Probably also
dependson if they have young ones with them, and if they're used to
humans
L516[09:10:49] <S3> AmandaC: you know here
in Maine we've never had an issue, and most of us have a minimum of
10 or 15 guns. My grandfather had almost 50 of them.
L517[09:11:02] <Vexatos> knives are
generally much less dangerous than guns and rifles >_>
L518[09:11:03] <AmandaC> Americans are
just conditioned to pretty much fetishise guns
L519[09:11:08] <Skye> S3, my mum lived in
Maine and she never talked about guns...
L520[09:11:21] <dequbed> Inari: Re Berlin:
In population centers like that people tend to not engage them
because they are aware of the risks, also police et.al. know how to
deal with them and do so.
L521[09:11:31] <S3> Skye: Ask her about
them someday
L522[09:11:33] <Vexatos> You can kill a
few people with a knife if you come close, you can kill a lot more
people with a gun from 40m away :P
L523[09:11:38] <S3> she's also a
girl
L524[09:11:46] <dequbed> Inari: If they
however do engage... Well, darwin award is a thing.
L525[09:11:53] <S3> and no offense to
girls, but here in Maien it's generally the girls that don't care
about guns
L526[09:12:04] <Vexatos> I live in a more
rural area, wild animals are normal here
L527[09:12:06] <Vexatos> and perfectly
harmless
L528[09:12:07] <S3> no problem with
that
L529[09:12:12] <Inari> dequbed: Eh,
accidents happen, they migth feel threatened/cornered
L530[09:12:19] <Skye> To be honest Maine
seems like a place where Guns have uses.
L531[09:12:31] <dequbed> Vexatos: You can
also kill a lot of people by taking a 40t Truck and finding a
crowd. So.... yeah.
L532[09:12:33] <S3> Vexatos: in general
animals are harmless anyways
L533[09:12:38] <Vexatos> There is also a
difference between guns and guns :I
L534[09:12:39] <S3> even the ones that
people consider hostile
L535[09:12:40] <Vexatos> Like
L536[09:12:50] <Inari> dequbed: But a
truck has legitimate uses aside killing
L537[09:12:51] <Inari> :p
L538[09:12:55] <Vexatos> I know people
living in Norway, sure they need to defend themselves, sure they
have shotguns for that
L539[09:13:05] <Vexatos> But there is a
difference between a shotgun and a semiautomatic rifle :I
L540[09:13:13] <dequbed> Inari: Yeah,
accidents do happen. But I do recall rather low numbers of
boar-related deaths in Europe last year.
L541[09:13:45] <S3> The largest problem I
have with gun law crap is if it becomes federal. If it becomes
federal, everyone in Maine is just going to ignore the federal laws
anyways
L542[09:13:56] <Vexatos> It's the
difference between something you can use to kill four people and
something you can use to kill forty people
L543[09:14:12] <dequbed> Inari: Recreation
is a valid use. So is hunting. And if we *please* could go away
from focusing on guns, so is self-defense. With pepper spray or
force amplifiers from martial arts.
L544[09:14:32] <Skye> dequbed, S3: key
difference between guns and drugs (including alcohol): guns are
used on other things, drugs are used on oneself.
L545[09:14:36] <Vexatos> recreational
hunting is really hard to do in Germany
L546[09:14:44] <Vexatos> You need a full
hunter's license
L547[09:14:47] <Vexatos> and glhf getting
that
L548[09:14:54] <Inari> I don't think
hunting is a valid use, unless it's your job
L549[09:14:55] <dequbed> Skye: Please stop
pinging me with a conversation I'm not part of.
L550[09:15:09] <Vexatos> that includes
training, lessons, tests, regular checks, etc etc
L551[09:15:19] <dequbed> Vexatos / Inari:
Leaves the first and second point.
L552[09:15:33] <Inari> I mean
L553[09:15:41] <dequbed> *third.
L554[09:15:42] <Inari> Kind of? I don't
think it's a vlid point
L555[09:15:58] <Vexatos> recreation and
hunting is the same thing
L556[09:16:12] <Vexatos> Shooting on
targets is heavily regulated
L557[09:16:18] <Inari> Someone might find
it recreating to set off bombs, doesn't mean we have to have lots
of bombs to be sold.
L558[09:16:18] <dequbed> Vexatos: Uh.. no?
Just shooting at metal plates is kinda fun with guns.
L559[09:16:20] <Inari> But yeah
L560[09:16:26] <Inari> Shooting range has
guns, gun stays in shooting range
L561[09:16:31] <Vexatos> Have you ever
been in a shooting club?
L562[09:16:36] <dequbed> Vexatos: I
have.
L563[09:17:04] <Vexatos> The guns do not
leave the club unless you have what's essentially almost a hunter's
license
L564[09:17:33] <dequbed> Yep. Point
being?
L565[09:17:39] <Inari> They should never
leave it even if you do have that imo
L566[09:17:56] <Vexatos> That the weapon
laws in Germany are pretty damn good
L567[09:18:18] <dequbed> Inari: Hunting is
important for keeping environments alive. Unregulated spread of
deers can destroy entire forests.
L568[09:18:46] <Inari> dequbed: Sure, I've
not said there should be no hunting
L569[09:18:51] <Inari> I've said if you do
it, it should be your job
L570[09:18:56] <Inari> With all the things
Vexatos listed attached
L571[09:18:56] <dequbed> Vexatos:
Regarding *GUNS*, they aren't the worst. Regarding *ALL OTHER
WEAPONS* they are in my opinion terrible. That was my point from
the very beginning on.
L572[09:19:02] <XDjackieXD> dequbed: the
car at my previous school is completely home-built (the mechanics
too). it's more like a motorbike with a third wheel on the left and
you sit slightly to the left of the 2 "main" wheels
L573[09:19:11] <dequbed> Inari: You can
only get a Hunters license if you are in fact a hunter.
L574[09:19:14] <Inari> dequbed: What do
you mean, they aren't the worst
L575[09:19:35] <Vexatos> I know a nearby
steelworks that employ their own hunter
L576[09:19:38] <dequbed> Inari: The laws?
No, but they *are* terrible in my opinion.
L577[09:19:43] <Vexatos> because their
property is so huge
L578[09:19:47] <Vexatos> and they have
forests on it
L579[09:19:51] <Inari> Oh
L580[09:19:51] <Inari> I see
L581[09:20:10] <dequbed> XDjackieXD: Tell
that Izaya not me.
L582[09:20:10] <Inari> dequbed: Well you
can't really regulate other weapons
L583[09:20:16] <dequbed> Inari: Why
not?
L584[09:20:21] <Vexatos> Hunting and
forestry are very important jobs in Germany, considering Germany
ios 35% forest area
L585[09:20:25] <Vexatos> is*
L586[09:20:33] <Inari> Guns are somewhat
hard to make on your own, if you want to stab someone a sharpened
stick suffices
L587[09:20:56] <Vexatos> or a butcher's
knife
L588[09:21:03] <XDjackieXD> Inari: you
know the "sligshot channel" on youtube and
"Germany's most dangerous toy"?
L589[09:21:04] <S3> Skye: yeah but
considering a lot of research is showing that chemically addictive
properties of drugs actually don't work they way we once thought,
and that it's actually more habituation, and the fact that nor did
the prohibition of alchohol yield the supply of alchohol, I'm quite
certain the same exact thing would happen in the US if they started
a war on guns.
L590[09:21:10] <dequbed> Inari: Yeah, but
the police can arrest you for having a knife on you. Or
knucklebusters. Or pepper spray. Some weapons you are not allowed
to own at all and the police may search your home.
L591[09:21:27] <Inari> Why would you not
be allowed to have pepper spray
L592[09:21:40] <Vexatos> Because it is
extremely dangerous
L593[09:21:41] <S3> poverty would
increase, crime would increase, more people would go to jail who
are innocent, people of diverse ethnicity would become more likely
to go to jail, etc
L594[09:21:46] <Vexatos> If you get it in
the eyes
L595[09:21:47] <S3> this all happened
because of the war on drugs
L596[09:21:47] <Vexatos> you are
blind
L597[09:21:50] <Vexatos> permanently
L598[09:21:52] <Inari> Then whats the
alternative to pepper spray
L599[09:21:58] <Vexatos> Other, less
dangerous sprays
L600[09:22:00] <dequbed> Inari: Because
it's (iirc) classified as Weapon. So are Leathermans btw.
L601[09:22:04] <Inari> That works I
guess
L602[09:22:12] <dequbed> Vexatos: WHAT?
No. That's not how pepper spray work. AT ALL.
L603[09:22:16] <Vexatos> <--
chemist
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L605[09:22:21] <Inari> I didn't think of
pepper spray as a certain thing
L606[09:22:29] <Inari> More like
"thing you spray in self defence"
L607[09:22:29] <dequbed> Capascin will not
make you permanetly blind from one spray.
L608[09:22:32] <dequbed> <-
medic.
L609[09:22:37] <Vexatos> no
L610[09:22:45] <Vexatos> if you get it on
your skin it just hurts
L611[09:23:06] <S3> it's just like sexual
education. Countries that have a lack of sexual education or teach
abstinence end up with more sexual related propblems, higher STD
rates, higher fatal abortion rates, etc.
L612[09:23:17] <S3> It just so turns out
that generally education is our best weapon
L613[09:23:24] <S3> and good education,
rather.
L614[09:23:34] <S3> unfortunately, most of
the US education system is a POS
L615[09:23:47] <Skye> What about
regulations and registration systems? People who need guns can have
them, and if they do stupid stuff, they're banned?
L616[09:24:01] <dequbed> Inari: It should
be. Pepper spray based on capascin in certain concetrations should
be allowed to be carried on person as self-defense tool.
L617[09:24:41] <S3> I have nothing wrong
with fair regulation, the problem with regulation is that often
other peopel take over and over time the regulations become worse
and worse..
L618[09:24:52] <dequbed> Inari:
Leathermans should be allowed to be carried because they are a
tool. So are pocket knifes IMO. There's a difference between having
a knife and stabbing somebody. Making the former legal does make
the latter legal.
L619[09:24:55] <XDjackieXD> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QqDPyTCAZ0
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L621[09:24:56] <S3> unrelated to guns this
is what's happening in my state with building code, etc
L622[09:25:10] <S3> tourists are moving
into Maine and deciding they know how we should live our
lives
L623[09:25:18] <S3> in their picture
perfect vacation land
L624[09:25:45] <Vexatos> dequbed, uuuh
pocket knives aren't illegal :I
L625[09:25:45] <Inari> XDjackieXD: Yeah,
laws aren't perfect :p Can improve them though
L626[09:25:55] <AmandaC> S3: you sure do
have trouble telling the difference between apples and oranges,
don't you?
L627[09:26:12] <XDjackieXD> Inari: in
Austria, weapon law is quite a bit better than in Germany as I can
tell
L628[09:26:17] <dequbed> Vexatos: AHAHAHA
yes they are. Anything above 6cm blade lenght that can *at all* be
opened with one hand is very much illegal.
L629[09:26:37] <Vexatos> Which is why
pocket knives do not have springs
L630[09:26:53] <AmandaC> Probation failed,
so guns must fail. Building codes are feature creeping, so clearly
weapons laws would to
L631[09:27:25] <dequbed> Vexatos. Come on.
I'm not talking about spring knifes. I'm talking Balisongs. Knifes
with thumb levers. Anthing that's not a swiss army knife
basically.
L632[09:27:42] <Vexatos> Swiss arms knife
or anything similar*
L633[09:28:05] <Vexatos> you don't use big
knives for self defense
L634[09:28:06] <dequbed> Correct. Anything
that has friction locks that make it impossible to open with one
hand.
L635[09:28:19] <Skye> Well... S3, there
are people who lobby against electronic registration.
L636[09:28:21] <Vexatos> you use big
knives for butchering or threatening
L637[09:28:33] <XDjackieXD> In Austria
anything that is clearly identifyable as a weapon does count as one
(spring loaded knifes, knifes that are sharp on both sides,
...)
L638[09:29:26] <dequbed> Vexatos: Not my
point. I can't tell you how often I've used my knife as Event
Technican or Bandaging stupid people. In both cases I did not
threaten them or butcher them.
L639[09:29:46] <Vexatos> Now tell me why
you couldn't use a normal pocket knife in those occasions
L640[09:30:26] <dequbed> I am. It's a
normal pocket knife. It just happens to be big enough that I can
comfortably hold it and it is possible to open with one hand so I
don't have to let go of whatever I'm holding at that moment.
L641[09:31:07] <Vexatos> Just use a normal
swiss army knife and everyone is happy >_>
L642[09:31:10] *
Skye sighs
L643[09:31:18] <Skye> Weapons are
dangerous
L644[09:31:25] <Skye> There needs to be
some protections
L645[09:31:26] <dequbed> Why? What's the
advantage of that Vexatos?
L646[09:31:29] <XDjackieXD> sometimes you
need the other hand when bandaging someone
L647[09:31:31] <Vexatos> it's legal
L648[09:31:37] <Vexatos> Pretty good
advantage if you ask me
L649[09:31:42] <dequbed> Vexatos: So was
my knife until about 4 months ago.
L650[09:31:47] <dequbed> Laws
change.
L651[09:31:51] <Vexatos> well deal with
it
L652[09:31:53] <Skye> Different places
need different things.
L653[09:31:57] <Inari> XDjackieXD: You
could open the knife before you start bandaging
L654[09:32:00] <Vexatos> Or move to the US
and get yourself shot
L655[09:32:07] <dequbed> Inari: That's not
how it works ._.
L656[09:32:09] <Inari> Vexatos:
harsh
L657[09:32:18] <dequbed> Vexatos: Only a
sith deals in extremes.
L658[09:32:20] <Vexatos> Well he's talking
about weapon laws being too harsh over here :P
L659[09:32:30] <Skye> Well look
L660[09:33:39] <dequbed> Vexatos: No. I'm
not, I never was, I never will. Germany's weapon law is terrible.
However you managed to not actually read anything that I said.
Congratulations.
L661[09:33:57] <Vexatos> I live on an old
farm, we have all kinds of big scary butchering knives, cleavers,
whittling knives, and I can fully understand why the police doesn't
want you to run around with them :P
L662[09:34:41] <Corded> *
<Forecaster> notes that dequbed likes accusing people of not
reading
L663[09:34:44] <Vexatos> We might even
still have a few military knives around
L664[09:35:18] <Vexatos> I'd rather have
my weapons laws be too harsh than too lax
L665[09:35:57] <dequbed> Vexatos: Germanys
weapon law is bad. It is underdefined in basically all places, so
not even the police are entirely sure on what is actually legal and
what is not. Very large knifes are allowed because they are tools,
however leathermans are now forbidden because they are weapons.
Some knifes are forbidden because they are "scary", e.g.
balisongs. Gun law is reasonably, while very restrictive -
L666[09:35:59] <dequbed> which I am okay
with though.
L667[09:36:19] <dequbed> That's the gist
of what I'm trying to argue really.
L668[09:36:44] <dequbed> Forecaster: Yes,
I do if I feel strawmanned.
L669[09:37:18] <Vexatos> But that's the
thing: Knives that are small enough to easily carry around are
inherently potential weapons. Banning everything that's not very
clearly a useful tool makes sense
L670[09:37:49] <Vexatos> swiss army knives
are a very good example of a tool that is made a lot less useful as
a weapon
L671[09:37:53] <dequbed> Vexatos: But
small knifes are actually allowed (anything <6cm blade). Does
not make them less deadly.
L672[09:38:11] <dequbed> Uh... Want to
know what a stab wound with a swiss army looks like?
L673[09:38:19] <S3> Skye: yeah one concern
I have about registration, is that I don't want people to know
about my private life, and nobody else here does. We have nothing
to hide, we just want people to stay the heck out
L674[09:38:23] <Vexatos> You still need to
open it with both hands, etc
L675[09:38:24] <S3> leave us
alone"
L676[09:38:59] <dequbed> Vexatos: So? If I
want to threaten you I can do that before I do so. Only makes them
less valid defensively. Or I could just use a static knife which
are very liberally allowed.
L677[09:39:00] <Vexatos> Just live in the
countryside, noone here cares what you have and don't have as long
as you behave :I
L678[09:39:01] <XDjackieXD> my swiss army
knife is definitely way more lethal than my leatherman (longer
blade, easier to open)
L679[09:39:26] <S3> declarative
programming in selene!
L680[09:39:29] <S3> wheeee
L681[09:39:30] <Vexatos> a knife can never
be used for self defense
L682[09:39:39] <S3> Vexatos: why not
L683[09:39:42] <dequbed> Izaya: By the
way, when I said anti-gun, I meant exactly *all of this*^
L684[09:39:47] <dequbed>
anit-weapon*
L685[09:39:47] <Vexatos> because it is not
defensive
L686[09:39:53] <S3> Vexatos: why is
that
L687[09:40:12] <Vexatos> you can only
"defend" by doing the very same amount of damage to your
attacker that they would do to you
L688[09:40:18] <dequbed> Vexatos: "If
you try to stab me I will stab you back! So don't dare!"
Actually works.
L689[09:40:19] <S3> not true.
L690[09:40:22] <S3> Vexatos: so not
true.
L691[09:40:31] <S3> it's the person behind
the knife, not the knife.
L692[09:40:49] <Vexatos> "It's not
the gun that is bad but the person using it" Every NRA person
ever
L693[09:41:54] <S3> if my father in law
can beat the shit out of somebody with a sword using nothing but a
broomstick, or disarm somebody with a gun using nothing but a
4" wooden dowel..
L694[09:42:04] <S3> you can't tell me
knives can't be used for self defense
L695[09:42:34] <S3> it is 100% the person
behind a weapon, not the weapon you use
L696[09:43:52] <S3> my grandfather was in
the military, and could bring any unsuspecting person to their
knees with only two fingers with his training, which was no
different than anyone elses military training.
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L698[09:53:47] <Skye> S3: eh... I'm
thinking more "so and so has a gun of this type, got it at
this time". Nothing personal, just something that could be
used to work out what happened if someone got hurt. :P
L699[09:54:18] <S3> heh
L700[09:55:17] <Skye> S3, does requiring
training sound sane?
L701[09:55:39] <S3> I think that everybody
who has a gun should be required to go through a safety training
course
L702[09:55:43] <S3> much like how we have
to for hunting
L703[09:55:46] <dequbed> S3: Am I right to
assume you also dislike car registration then?
L704[09:56:50] <Skye> S3, I have no
problem with people who understand what they're doing and aren't
going to do anything stupid with guns, but I do have a problem with
a free for all gun thing.
L705[09:57:01] <S3> Meh. I could care less
about car registration I don't mind being registered to a few
things, it's just when you're registered left and rought all over
the place.. thing is, if you drive an unregistered car the
likelihood of you getting stopped here is fairly low.
L706[09:57:28] <S3> my friends drove a
greyhound bus that was unregistered for over 20 years all the way
from new mexico to Maine
L707[09:57:32] <S3> never got
stopped.
L708[09:58:05] <Skye> Maine seems quite
different to the rest of the world.
L709[09:58:08] <Skye> Well
L710[09:58:10] <S3> Skye: we do have
permits for guns like ARs
L711[09:58:24] <Skye> I guess the problem
is that Maine is quite sparse
L712[09:58:30] <S3> and regulations saying
you can't use a fully automatic for hunting, etc
L713[09:58:52] <Skye> In the rest of the
world we get a ton of people close to each other who secretly
resent each other.
L714[09:59:19] <S3> Skye: our towns are
all over the state, and here's a reference:
L715[09:59:19] <S3> https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/united-states/quick-facts/maine/population-density#map
L716[09:59:26] <S3> 2010 census I
believe
L717[10:00:05] <S3> 1 sq mile is about 2.7
sq km
L718[10:00:14] <S3> 2.6*
L719[10:00:41] <Skye> Lol I use miles
too
L720[10:00:45] <S3> oh ok
L721[10:00:49] <S3> wasn't sure
L722[10:01:05] <Skye> Miles and metres and
Celsius.
L723[10:01:10] <S3> heh
L724[10:01:12] <Skye> We're an odd
mix
L725[10:01:19] <S3> I don't like
miles
L726[10:01:52] <Forecaster>
eugh
<Forecaster>
eughL727[10:01:58] <S3> but anyways you would
think by looking at that map that most people live in the southern
part of the state. Sorta.. but tehre's a lot of people up state
too
L728[10:02:02] <S3> it's just very spread
out
L729[10:02:05] <Forecaster>
laying the foundation for a project like this is a pain
<Forecaster>
laying the foundation for a project like this is a painL730[10:02:11] <Forecaster>
someone save me from this self-inflicted torture
<Forecaster>
someone save me from this self-inflicted tortureL731[10:02:13] <S3> forecaster:
"?
L732[10:02:21] <Skye> S3, my mum's
grandfather was from Canada, but his family had a history of moving
back and forth when the border wasn't strict
L733[10:02:34] <S3> it didn't become
strict until about 9/11
L734[10:02:47] <S3> before then you could
just drive straight across
L735[10:04:00] <Skye> S3, it was awkward
despite being in a war they didn't get citizenship so had to be in
another war...
L736[10:04:11] <Forecaster>
so many database interaction statements to write...
<Forecaster>
so many database interaction statements to write...L737[10:10:35] <Forecaster>
this will probably take weeks to complete...
<Forecaster>
this will probably take weeks to complete...L738[10:12:01] <dequbed> Forecaster: It
will if you moan about it instead of writing code :P
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L741[10:12:17] <Forecaster>
no, it will regardless
<Forecaster>
no, it will regardlessL742[10:55:06]
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L744[11:06:59] <Temia> https://i.imgur.com/wDNGTNT.jpg
L745[11:13:07] <Inari> I feel you should
just always do that anyway
L746[11:33:45] *
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L747[11:41:57] <Forecaster>
Ultimate Chicken Horse is a great party game
<Forecaster>
Ultimate Chicken Horse is a great party gameL748[11:51:03]
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L750[12:12:55] <Larandar> Hi
L751[12:13:31] <Inari> %hello
L752[12:13:32] <MichiBot> Hello! Welcome
to #oc! The one and only opencomputers channel! Please ask your
questions directly (dont ask to ask) and provide error/code
examples! (Use pastebin.com if theyre more than one line!) Dont
mind the random conversation you might have walked into.
L753[12:19:32] <Larandar> I'm troubled
because on 1.12 it seem like ExtremReactor port doesn't work :
https://i.imgur.com/089PAx7.png
L754[12:20:21] <Larandar> Did I forgot
something obvious ?
L755[12:20:21] <Forecaster>
have you tried an adapter?
<Forecaster>
have you tried an adapter?L756[12:20:39] <Larandar> Yes doesn't show
in the listing
L757[12:20:54] <Forecaster>
if it used to connect to a cable and don't anymore I'd guess the
support has been disabled for some reason
<Forecaster>
if it used to connect to a cable and don't anymore I'd guess the
support has been disabled for some reasonL758[12:21:06] <Forecaster>
or it's broken
<Forecaster>
or it's brokenL759[12:21:22] <Forecaster>
I'd ask them about that, in case they're adding the support
themselves
<Forecaster>
I'd ask them about that, in case they're adding the support
themselvesL760[12:21:37] <Larandar> Ok thanks
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L762[13:13:35] <Temia> Computronics'
creative RAM is fun. Want to make a computer with more memory than
what Windows 95 ran on? No problem! \o/
L763[13:26:33] <Inari> *
L764[13:26:40] <Inari> (* Assuming your PC
has that much)
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L767[13:35:26] *
AmandaC wonders if the creative memory unit works with
Thistle
L768[13:37:30] <gamax92> should
L769[13:37:43] <gamax92> but a large
portion of it cannot be accessed
L770[13:38:35] <AmandaC> not even mapped
in?
L771[13:39:07] <AmandaC> ( while unmapping
something else )
L772[13:40:54] <gamax92> the selectors are
8bit and the units are 4096 bytes long
L773[13:41:30] <gamax92> oh, the selectors
are 16bit
L774[13:42:16] <gamax92> okay it should
support all of the Creative memory then, can see up to 256MB of
memory
L775[13:42:50] <gamax92> (I need to update
my local documentation)
L776[13:42:54] <AmandaC> heh
L777[13:44:51] <Xal> I love showing people
win95 running in the browser
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L779[13:56:37] <Vexatos> AmandaC, magical
memory is very evil
L780[13:56:48] <Vexatos> it literally
provides Double.POSITIVE_INFINITY memory
L781[13:59:51] <Forecaster>
at least it's not negative infinity
<Forecaster>
at least it's not negative infinityL782[14:06:51]
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L783[14:13:38] <gamax92> oh maybe thistle
can't handle that
L784[14:14:05] <gamax92> oh, no it should
be able to I do limit to the max memory in OC's config
L785[14:14:25] <gamax92> mips
however
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L787[14:28:16] <Inari> When boredom drives
you crazy https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/368159840201342976/379364997173870592/unknown.png
L788[14:33:47] <Inari> Meeeeeeeh
L789[14:34:40] <Forecaster>
:P
<Forecaster>
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L792[15:18:19] <Inari> "If I ever get
locked out of my house I’ll just order something from Amazon and
have the delivery driver let me in" xD
L793[15:23:39] <Inari> AmandaC: https://i.imgur.com/XkEt90u.jpg
L794[15:25:19] <AmandaC> Inari: ofc
L795[15:27:14] <Forecaster>
Til there's something called godtube
<Forecaster>
Til there's something called godtubeL796[15:35:29] <Inari> AmandaC: That ever
happen to you after a nigth of catnip? https://imgur.com/gallery/6AlnLva
L797[15:42:51] <Inari> "On Monday,
Intel announced that it had penned a deal with AMD to have the
latter provide a discrete GPU to be integrated onto a future Intel
SoC. On Tuesday, AMD announced that their chief GPU architect, Raja
Koduri, was leaving the company. Now today the saga continues, as
Intel is announcing that they have hired Raja Koduri to serve as
their own GPU chief architect. And Raja's task will not
L798[15:42:52] <Inari> be a small one;
with his hire, Intel will be developing their own high-end discrete
GPUs." heh
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L801[17:08:46] <xarses> whats with the
change in the the change in the remote terminal behavior
L802[17:17:50] <payonel> Inari:
stargatetech2 not compiling? is that your question for me? I've
seen that too, for me the problem was that too many modules were
listed
L803[17:18:16] <payonel> Inari: you might
notice the error says OpenComputers failed to build, as opposed to
OpenComputers_api nor OpenComputers_main
L804[17:18:48] <payonel> Inari: see step
#7 http://ocdoc.cil.li/tutorial:debug_1.7.10
L805[17:21:42] <Inari> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/295953846054944768/379410427773321217/unknown.png?width=809&height=676
?
L806[17:22:08] <payonel> ah, nope -- your
setup looks good
L807[17:22:26] <Inari> Hrmm
L808[17:22:33] <Inari> I think I skiped
the build step in that list though :P
L809[17:22:34] <Inari> Maybe thast
why
L810[17:22:46] <payonel> i hope not, the
idea build should be independent of that
L811[17:23:47] <payonel> i listed it
though, didn't i ..
L812[17:24:33] <gamax92> Inari: where's
the eclipse instructions
L813[17:24:36] <gamax92> err ...
L814[17:24:41] <gamax92> payonel
L815[17:24:45] <gamax92> I am
sleeepy
L816[17:25:03] <payonel> i dont have any
eclipse steps :)
L817[17:25:08] <gamax92> make some
:)
L818[17:25:32] <payonel> >_>
L819[17:25:49] <gamax92> :D
L820[17:26:07] <AmandaC> Eclipse
instructions: Step 1: Use a better IDE
L821[17:26:09] *
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L822[17:26:21] <Vexatos> AmandaC, can
confirm
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L824[17:26:22] <Vexatos> works every
time
L825[17:26:39] <Izaya> 's good
instructions
L826[17:26:44] <payonel> http://thawell.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/33397456.jpg
L827[17:26:55] <Vexatos> Relevant https://my.mixtape.moe/epwedl.png
L828[17:27:24] *
AmandaC runs from Inari, she doesn't need no anti-flea collar,
they're her friends!
L829[17:27:52] <AmandaC> %choose finish
granblue or watch youtube for a bit
L830[17:27:52] <MichiBot> AmandaC: finish
granblue
L831[17:28:18] <Vexatos> AmandaC, a
friendship with those is merely a flea-ting relationship
L832[17:28:47] <Vexatos> time to sleep
:U
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L834[17:28:50] <payonel> Inari: oc_main as
oc_api as "compile"?
L835[17:31:42] <payonel> the other less
optimal solution is to exclude sgtech from the build
L836[17:31:55] <Inari> payonel: Oh I think
I still ahd teh wrong config selected xP{
L837[17:32:16] <Inari> Or not
L838[17:32:19] <payonel> xP{
L839[17:32:19] <Inari> It still errored
witht hat xD
L840[17:32:31] <Inari> Even ran gradle
build :<
L841[17:32:37] <Inari> What do you mean
"as "compile""?
L842[17:33:05] <payonel> with oc_main
selected, dependencies, the "oc_api" scope should be
compile
L843[17:33:09] <payonel> that's default,
so it should be
L844[17:33:12] <Inari> And I use the _main
module to run?
L845[17:33:15] <payonel> yeah
L846[17:33:34] <payonel> but
"build" builds all modules - so it doesn't matter what
you have selected
L847[17:34:00] <Inari> Oh I see, yeah, it
is
L848[17:34:16] <Inari> Hmm
L849[17:34:24] <Inari> Maybe I'll have to
delete the thing and start over
L850[17:35:18] <payonel> i'm going to
upload my project iml, ipr, and iws
L851[17:35:26] <payonel> you can drop
those in and see if it makes a diff
L852[17:35:33] <Inari> Haha okay,
thanks
L853[17:36:00] <payonel> i'm just
verifying MINE builds :)
L854[17:36:09] <payonel> i've been hacking
things to see if i could simplify the build (i couldn't...)
L855[17:36:14] <payonel> so i want to make
sure it's back in a good state
L856[17:39:46] <xarses> Can someone
explain whats with the change in the the change in the remote
terminal behavior?
L857[17:40:01] <payonel> xarses: ?
L858[17:40:14] <xarses> they used to
connect directly to the server
L859[17:40:25] <payonel> i know of a bug
report that they don't
L860[17:40:29] <xarses> now I need some
random otherthing, and the functionality is much limited
L861[17:40:30] <payonel> but i thought
that was 1.12 specifically
L862[17:41:10] <xarses> now, I need a
terminal server, and to connect it in the rack gui
L863[17:41:18] <xarses> you can't seem to
set the range
L864[17:41:34] <xarses> or switch which
server its bound to w/o opening the rack gui
L865[17:41:58] <xarses> and the tool tip
for the remote terminal implies the old behavior still
L866[17:42:07] <payonel> i dont know why
that was changed
L867[17:42:22] <payonel> i'll let you know
when i learn
L868[17:42:44] <xarses> =/
L869[17:42:59] <xarses> I'll file a bug,
at minium documentation needs updating
L870[17:44:54] <payonel> Inari: `wget
--no-check-certificate https://cloud.pig64.com/index.php/s/v64tmRCqCPbKvhi/download
-O OpenComputers_IDEA.tgz`
L871[17:45:00] <payonel> xarses:
agreed
L872[17:45:58] <payonel> xarses: what's
the "other thing" from "now I need some random other
thing" ?
L873[17:46:12] <payonel> the terminal
server?
L874[17:46:25] <xarses> oh, this terminal
server that has to be placed in a rack and on the subnetwork as the
computer
L875[17:47:02] <Inari> Nono
L876[17:47:04] <Inari> I just click thgat
link
L877[17:47:08] <Inari> I don't think I
even have wget
L878[17:47:08] <Inari> :P
L879[17:48:13] <xarses> lol, and I found a
bug in the terminal server
L880[17:51:18] <Inari> payonel: Thansk,
after re-important the gradle thing then it seems now its another
error haha
L881[17:51:29] <Inari> Ah, it complains on
output paths
L882[17:56:46] <Inari> Oh neat it
works
L883[17:56:55] <Inari> Or not
L884[18:04:21] <xarses> nice, I totally
broke the terminal and probably the servers
L885[18:07:39] <payonel> Inari: it still
won't build? same stargatetech issue?
L886[18:07:58] <Inari> payonel: It built
now
L887[18:08:01] <Inari> But crashed when
starting
L888[18:08:01] <Inari> xD
L889[18:08:20] <payonel> not because of
missing mods, did it?
L890[18:08:30] <Inari> Don't think
so
L891[18:08:31] <Inari> https://gist.github.com/Inari-Whitebear/a31100469c86fd7db9683a1f6e78e8fb
L892[18:09:05] <Mimiru> Caused by:
java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:
net/minecraft/client/gui/inventory/GuiInventory Oh hey that
again
L893[18:09:42] <Inari> What was the
solutiuon to it again :D
L894[18:10:13] <Inari> Oh
L895[18:10:14] <Inari> Maybe..
L896[18:10:30] <payonel> Inari: Minecraft
Client and its main class is GradleStart?
L897[18:11:41] <Inari> Yeah, I just hadn't
deleted the mods I stuck in while trying to get it to build
ealrier
L898[18:11:47] <payonel> ah!
L899[18:12:14] <Inari> Now its back to
wanting micdoodlecore thouhg :P
L900[18:12:32] <payonel> did you re-import
gradle?
L901[18:12:38] <Inari> Yeah
L902[18:12:41] <payonel> that's why
then
L903[18:12:45] <payonel> that'll reset all
the "scopes"
L904[18:12:46] <Inari> D:
L905[18:12:47] <payonel> back to
compile
L906[18:12:47] <Inari> It told me to
L907[18:12:48] <Inari> :p
L908[18:12:51] <payonel> sorry :(
L909[18:13:04] <payonel> you can just copy
over the OpenComputers.* files with my tgz i sent you
L910[18:13:07] <Inari> What a pain
haha
L911[18:13:12] <payonel> that'll
"fix" the scopes
L912[18:15:15] <gamax92> payonel: btw was
the ae2 zip thing ever fix
L913[18:15:40] <payonel> gamax92: no, but
it's on my todo
L914[18:16:07] <payonel> Inari:
specifically, the *.iml files have the scope in them
L915[18:16:51] <Inari> Well now its back
to not wanting to compile
L916[18:17:16] <payonel> bc of
sgtech?
L917[18:17:36] <Inari> Yeah
L918[18:18:25] <payonel> lame. if the
module list looks right...i'd just exclude it from the build
L919[18:18:51] <Inari> Oh
L920[18:19:04] <Inari> It didnt' delete
the extra module one
L921[18:19:05] <Inari> Lets try that
L922[18:19:34] <Inari> Nope, still
xD
L923[18:20:02] <Inari> Hmm
L924[18:20:14] <payonel> try a
rebuild?
L925[18:20:35] <Inari> payonel:
"Gradle: :forgeSrc:1.7.10-10.13.4.1448-1.7.10 is in
Dependencies is underlined red saying "broken
path"?
L926[18:21:24] *
payonel opens IDEA to check
L927[18:24:51] <payonel> weird, mine says
that too, but the path looks good
L928[18:25:13] <Inari> Hrm
L929[18:25:18] <Inari> Well then it
shouldn't be the issue
L930[18:25:23] <payonel> it didn't use
to
L931[18:25:25] <payonel> yeah mine
builds
L932[18:25:29] <payonel> i might have
confused stuff
L933[18:25:31] <payonel> i'm not helping
:(
L934[18:25:45] <Inari> Haha, well you're
helping more than not helping :D
L935[18:26:11] <Inari> Well I'll try some
more tomorrow, then I might try just excluding sgtech
L936[18:27:35] <payonel> Inari: bad news,
i sent you proj files from the wrong clone
L937[18:27:43] <payonel> good news(maybe):
it's failing for me too
L938[18:27:43] <Inari> Heh
L939[18:27:43] <payonel> haha
L940[18:28:00] <payonel> but i have
multiple clones, where i test crap, so somewhere i have clean idea
files
L941[18:28:05] <payonel> but yeah,
tomorrow i suppose
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L943[18:59:16] <ben_mkiv> are there any
java mods beside of oc-minecarts that add a computer to a
entity?
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L950[20:38:07] <Temia> %choose enter the
steppe as Nergui or enter the steppe as Viola
L951[20:38:07] <MichiBot> Temia: enter the
steppe as Viola
L952[20:38:40] <Temia> MICHIBOT HAS
SPOKEN. THE 51 TRIBES SHALL KNOW OF THE TERU.
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L959[21:26:42] <Scaredturtle> Hello
L960[21:27:17] <payonel> Scaredturtle:
o/
L961[21:30:01] <Scaredturtle> I was hoping
I might ask a few questions about computer craft here. I'm trying
to make a program to display the storage space being used in a
refined storage system but I'm not sure what command will work to
pull this information.
L962[21:30:25] <Scaredturtle> sorry, open
computers
L963[21:30:32] <Scaredturtle> not computer
craft lol
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L965[21:31:35] <sushi_cat> hello
L966[21:33:41] <sushi_cat>
google.com
L967[21:33:54] <sushi_cat> my screen is
flashing
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L969[21:38:39] <CompanionCube>
Scaredturtle: you'll want to look at the component api
L970[21:38:44] <CompanionCube> ~w
component
L971[21:38:44] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component
L972[21:39:29] <CompanionCube> and also
the refined storage-specific https://refinedstorage.raoulvdberge.com/wiki/opencomputers-api
L973[21:39:36] <Scaredturtle> Thanks!! I'm
assuming I'll also need to put an adapter on the drive?
L974[21:40:01] <CompanionCube> yes
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L983[22:30:43] <Scaredturtle> Hi, been
reading the APIs and did not see one for reading the total number
of items or space available in refined storage blocks. Am I missing
something?
L984[22:32:47] <Scaredturtle> I see the
getItems() command but it returns a table of the items, not a
count.
L985[22:34:37] <Mimiru> %lua t =
{"a", "b", "c"} print(#t)
L986[22:34:38] <MichiBot> 3
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L988[22:43:18] <Scaredturtle> Mimiru: That
actually helps a lot, thanks. the table seems to be nested though
as when i enter print(#items) with items being the table i get the
count of the unique items in the inventory and not the total count
of items. know of a way i could get quantities?
L989[22:44:27] <Mimiru> Well.. that
depends on how the table is structured.. though I'm about worthless
as I'm passing out.
L990[22:44:52] <Scaredturtle> ahh thanks
anyway. have a good night
L991[23:07:39] <Kodos> Were
I on my computer, I could show you how
<Kodos> Were
I on my computer, I could show you howL992[23:17:55] <payonel> Scaredturtle: i
dont have experience with refined storage, but i know plenty about
lua and can help there
L993[23:23:27] <Kodos> He
basically needs to check the length of the list then add the item
count for each item into a value
<Kodos> He
basically needs to check the length of the list then add the item
count for each item into a valueL994[23:24:48] <Kodos> For
x=1,#items do total count = total count + items[x].count
<Kodos> For
x=1,#items do total count = total count + items[x].countL995[23:24:57] <Kodos>
Pseudo code but yeh
<Kodos>
Pseudo code but yehL996[23:26:58] <S3> It bothers me that Lua
tables start at 1
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L999[23:27:09] <Scaredturtle> thanks a lot
guys, getting late I will try this stuff in the morning!
L1000[23:27:17] <payonel> S3: it bothers
most of us
L1001[23:27:47] <S3> It's not all that
huge of a deal
L1002[23:27:50] <S3> but makes math
weird
L1003[23:27:58] <S3> and remembering if
it's 1 or 0 that gets awkward
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