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L2[00:01:44] <muchang> hahah
L3[00:01:51] <muchang> anybody
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L5[00:11:30] <Izaya> nope.
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L7[01:23:46] <Saphire> Lol
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L15[06:26:33] <MajGenRelativity> ~w debug
L16[06:26:33] <ocdoc> http://www.lua.org/manual/5.2/manual.html#pdf-debug
L17[06:26:38] <MajGenRelativity> ~w debug card
L18[06:26:38] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/item:debug_card
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L21[07:33:33] * AmandaC jumps up into Inari's arms as she walks into the door
L22[07:33:44] <AmandaC> s/into/in/
L23[07:33:44] <MichiBot> * AmandaC jumps up in Inari's arms as she walks into the door
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L25[07:42:56] <Inari> :o
L26[07:42:58] <Inari> %pet AmandaC
L27[07:42:59] * MichiBot pets AmandaC with code. AmandaC recovers 5 health!
L28[07:43:00] <Inari> Ohi :P
L29[07:43:13] <AmandaC> Hai. :o
L30[07:43:15] <AmandaC> :p*
L31[07:44:54] <Izaya> Digging out chunks manually is rather painful.
L32[07:45:09] <Izaya> Only two more to go \o/
L33[07:48:14] * Mimiru bashes her head on her desk..
L34[07:48:28] <Mimiru> ffs people.. why
L35[07:49:07] <Inari> Mimiru: ?
L36[07:49:31] <Mimiru> https://github.com/PC-Logix/OpenSecurity/issues/89
L37[07:50:45] <Temia> Aaaaagh
L38[07:51:17] <Inari> Haha
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L40[07:57:58] <ben_mkiv> lmao
L41[07:58:42] <ben_mkiv> closed :D
L42[07:59:09] <ben_mkiv> thats the generation which doesnt know what a forum is
L43[08:00:21] <Mettaton_Fab> even i know what a forum is
L44[08:00:27] <Mettaton_Fab> and i know how to use it
L45[08:00:43] <ben_mkiv> sorry, didnt want to offend all young people
L46[08:02:28] <Izaya> >not just lurking IRC
L47[08:02:39] <Izaya> https://a.pomf.cat/tonxdk.png
L48[08:03:17] <ben_mkiv> thats almost like my real life situation
L49[08:03:43] <ben_mkiv> cobblehut with a table for pc and a bed
L50[08:03:58] <Izaya> hey man this place is pretty big
L51[08:04:17] <Izaya> currently 6 chunks worth of empty space inside a cactus wall, soon it'll be 9
L52[08:04:28] <ben_mkiv> but it lacks windows
L53[08:04:40] <Izaya> That's because it's underground.
L54[08:04:44] <Izaya> The above ground has windows.
L55[08:05:03] <ben_mkiv> ah now i see the thin frame of clear glass
L56[08:05:10] <ben_mkiv> my windows aint that clear
L57[08:05:13] <ben_mkiv> :P
L58[08:06:33] * Izaya hmms
L59[08:06:49] <Izaya> I should 3D print some cooling shrouds for my desktop
L60[08:07:05] <Izaya> one for the CPU, one for the GPUs
L61[08:07:10] <Izaya> delta fan at the front
L62[08:07:19] <Mettaton_Fab> i would pay you if you would make one for my GT610
L63[08:07:29] <Izaya> force all the air through the case
L64[08:07:36] <Mettaton_Fab> Delta?
L65[08:07:41] <Mettaton_Fab> get EBM Papst
L66[08:08:02] <Izaya> delta fans use a different design and move a lot of air
L67[08:08:04] <Izaya> fuckin loud though
L68[08:08:11] * Izaya hmms
L69[08:08:13] <ben_mkiv> use the 220V papst ones
L70[08:08:34] <Izaya> I could get some huge-ass 120mm+ fans and make it more of a ramjet design
L71[08:09:21] <Izaya> not entirely correct but
L72[08:09:33] <Izaya> like have a big intake and push it through a smaller tube
L73[08:10:12] <ben_mkiv> like a venturi?
L74[08:14:08] <Izaya> I guess so.
L75[08:14:21] <Izaya> Not sure whether it would actually make any difference but it's a nice idea
L76[08:16:25] <Syrren> Well, big fan = less noise for a given amount of air pushed
L77[08:16:39] <Syrren> faster-moving air probably improves cooling, up to a point
L78[08:17:03] <Syrren> if you want high-efficiency cooling, though, you probably want a water loop
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L80[08:17:20] <ben_mkiv> or move to canada
L81[08:25:13] <Izaya> canada is too cold
L82[08:25:14] <Izaya> so eh
L83[08:26:06] <Mettaton_Fab> i had a Delta fan in my Dell Dimension 3100
L84[08:26:25] <Mettaton_Fab> pretty dangerous to touch the fan blades
L85[08:26:38] <Izaya> yeah I have an Optiplex with a delta fan
L86[08:26:46] <Izaya> loud but it actually manages to keep the CPU cool
L87[08:27:00] <Izaya> (too bad it really needs to cool the RAM... not designed for 2GB AT ALL)
L88[08:28:20] <Mettaton_Fab> my System had 1GB of RAM
L89[08:28:24] <Mettaton_Fab> was my first PC
L90[08:28:29] <Mettaton_Fab> Celeron D
L91[08:28:36] <Mettaton_Fab> i still have the CPU
L92[08:29:59] <Izaya> >celeron D
L93[08:30:04] <Izaya> well aren't you fancy
L94[08:30:12] <Izaya> I bet it ran at more than a Ghz too
L95[08:30:31] <Mettaton_Fab> i used it to flash the BIOS on my Mainboard
L96[08:30:43] <Mettaton_Fab> bios was too old for a Core 2 Quad Q6600
L97[08:31:19] <Mettaton_Fab> wow, the CPU runs at 2.66 GHz
L98[08:33:20] <Izaya> yeah man
L99[08:33:24] <Izaya> Pentium Ds weren't too bad
L100[08:33:37] <Izaya> I'd take my 1.8Ghz E2something over it though
L101[08:33:43] <Izaya> VT-x ftw
L102[08:40:31] <Temia> I think the first machine which I could truly call my own was... an old eMachines secondhand piece with a Cyrix M-II proc? IIRC.
L103[08:40:43] <Temia> Can't remember its memory or storage space, thoug.
L104[08:40:46] <Temia> *though
L105[08:41:02] <Izaya> My first machine was a Commodore 64. 2Mhz 6502, 64k RAM. No storage.
L106[08:41:17] <Temia> Nice.
L107[08:41:39] <Izaya> (ended up hooking it up to a VCR as a tape drive)
L108[08:41:52] <Temia> I was using one of those for a while, but my access to it was still largely managed by my mother at the time.
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L110[09:00:18] <Izaya> alright so apparently
L111[09:00:27] <Izaya> I'd be better off using a 120mm square tube for the fan
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L113[09:13:52] <Inari> https://twitter.com/Kirinodere/status/910508843297312769 looks tasty
L114[09:13:53] <MichiBot> Wed Sep 20 09:19:59 CDT 2017 @Kirinodere: Made tonkotsu ramen for lunch! There was no pork in the house so I went and added slices of soy sauce seared spam,… https://t.co/6vGy91wBCj
L115[09:14:47] <Inari> AmandaC: https://twitter.com/picturecats/status/910503380224806912
L116[09:14:48] <MichiBot> Wed Sep 20 08:58:16 CDT 2017 @picturecats: Call me Toothless again. I dare you. https://t.co/OGg0CgaKNn
L117[09:14:53] <Inari> %tell payonel https://twitter.com/picturecats/status/910503380224806912
L118[09:14:53] <MichiBot> Inari: payonel will be notified of this message when next seen.
L119[09:14:54] <MichiBot> Wed Sep 20 08:58:16 CDT 2017 @picturecats: Call me Toothless again. I dare you. https://t.co/OGg0CgaKNn
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L121[09:33:49] <Inari> If I were developing like a big game, I'd be pretty scared of playing it rihgt before or after shipping. :P If you find a bug before shipping you should fix it, lots of extra stress. If you find it after shipping that sucks too xD
L122[09:39:01] <AmandaC> Inari: funny you should mention that, I'm currently in the "sdfnsdbjnsdfuahki" commit message phase of trying to get something working. :D
L123[09:39:25] <Inari> Heh
L124[09:39:28] <Inari> What is it?
L125[09:39:45] <Inari> I'm trying to make Ninjaforms work :f I might just got and look at it's API code because it's documentation isn't very great
L126[09:46:10] <gamax92> D:
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L128[09:46:31] <Inari> gamax92: ?
L129[09:46:35] <gamax92> well internet is barely good enough to irc
L130[09:46:47] <Inari> Ah
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L132[09:49:54] <gamax92> I was going to use my phone as a hotspot for the Wii and then USB tether to the computer in hopes of getting the two to be accessible from each other
L133[09:50:46] <gamax92> But the Wii requires the connection have internet access, and failed the connection
L134[09:54:03] <Inari> :joy:
L135[09:54:06] <Inari> Oh right
L136[09:54:07] <Inari> this isn't discord
L137[10:01:37] <Inari> Temia: That bird is so cute *-*
L138[10:01:42] <Temia> ISN'T IT
L139[10:01:54] <Inari> I want one
L140[10:02:08] <Temia> I love corvids so much, and this is such a sweet little magpie <3
L141[10:02:43] <Inari> Looks plushier thant he magpies we have here
L142[10:03:31] <Temia> She's probably very well fed c:
L143[10:04:13] <Temia> https://twitter.com/breesophiebree/status/909093112160690179 This remains my favourite so far
L144[10:04:14] <MichiBot> Sat Sep 16 11:34:22 CDT 2017 @breesophiebree: A little post stream chat with my producer. https://t.co/xVTrE1WApa
L145[10:04:40] <Inari> Haha
L146[10:04:42] <Inari> Cute :D
L147[10:04:49] <Temia> isn't iiiit
L148[10:11:16] <vifino> omg this is way too cute
L149[10:17:36] <gamax92> oh ...
L150[10:18:22] <Izaya> http://pb.i0i0.me/p/7DoBuodH
L151[10:18:27] <gamax92> Temia: Apparently to get a hotspot in Linux I have to install custom drivers and a custom hostapd program
L152[10:19:41] <Temia> Funtimes
L153[10:20:46] <gamax92> (and or just run a super stripped down Windows vm with usb passthrough)
L154[10:21:41] <Skye> Izaya, markdown OC web?
L155[10:21:58] <Izaya> Skye: among other things
L156[10:22:19] <Skye> Izaya, I have a half finished data transfer protocol, you want it?
L157[10:22:28] <AmandaC> Note to self, check the issue tracker before going nuts over why something's broken: https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/google-cloud-go/issues/740
L158[10:22:34] <Izaya> probably will have to treat emph and bold the same :|
L159[10:22:37] <Izaya> Skye: is it simple?
L160[10:22:49] <Izaya> alternatively does it implement reliable ordered streams?
L161[10:23:10] <Skye> Izaya, sort of and yes.
L162[10:23:25] <AmandaC> Skye: does it have the required NSA backdoor?
L163[10:23:29] <Skye> as in it's theoretically simple
L164[10:23:30] <Izaya> because I'd really like network streams
L165[10:23:40] <Skye> but the implementation is a mess
L166[10:24:05] <Skye> and it has reliable ordered streams
L167[10:24:18] <Skye> and if you mess with it, it'll drop your connection
L168[10:29:45] <gamax92> Sounds like my wifi
L169[10:31:09] <Saphire> xD
L170[10:31:24] <Saphire> gamax92: that's anyone's cheap WiFi
L171[10:31:57] * AmandaC sneazes, gamax92 goes missing for 2 weeks
L172[10:39:38] <Skye> Saphire, well the protocol for data transfer requires state
L173[10:39:45] <Skye> if you send inconsistant state
L174[10:39:50] <Skye> your connection is dropped
L175[10:40:33] * Izaya hmms
L176[10:40:44] <Izaya> I could probably do a stateless one
L177[10:41:05] <Izaya> :3
L178[10:42:06] <Skye> Izaya, the only real state is the packet position
L179[10:42:41] <Skye> basically if it doesn't know what you're doing and you just pipe data it goes "no"
L180[10:42:48] <payonel> Inari: ich leibe es :) danke
L181[10:43:19] <Skye> Izaya, so do you want my horrible code
L182[10:44:08] <Izaya> Is it somewhere already?
L183[10:44:55] * Izaya was just thinking he could modify his copper stack to have another set of messages that can be queued but only sent once the previous one had been ACK'd
L184[10:46:00] <Inari> payonel: "leibe" eh :p
L185[10:47:06] <payonel> i might have inari'd that
L186[10:47:13] <Inari> :p
L187[10:47:20] <payonel> liebe :)
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L189[11:10:29] <Inari> " In short – after reverting Git committed branch merge, your system is left in not exactly the same state than it was before the merge(!) – so you need to remember about this reverted merge when you’re doing re-merge, otherwise you’ll get very unexpected results" thats silly
L190[11:10:30] <Inari> git pls
L191[11:18:14] <Inari> "I wouldn't betmy life on it" is a silly saying
L192[11:18:30] <Inari> I wouldn't bet my life on anything, including 2+2 in a decimal system being indeed 4
L193[11:21:15] * payonel bets his life on 21 red
L194[11:23:00] <gamax92> Inari: bet your life on a coin toss, but then have the coin land sideways
L195[11:23:05] <gamax92> what happens then
L196[11:26:33] <Skye> gamax92, become undead
L197[11:30:12] <Saphire> https://xkcd.com/1892/
L198[11:30:12] <MichiBot> XKCD Comic Name: USB Cables Posted on: 9/20/2017
L199[11:31:02] <gamax92> >carries data but not power
L200[11:33:53] <Inari> Should be possible, no?
L201[11:37:30] <Saphire> gamax92: you have never seen those?
L202[11:37:34] <Saphire> You innocent soul..
L203[11:37:43] <gamax92> I haven't ...
L204[11:38:14] <Saphire> Some chargers with detachable cables are like that
L205[11:40:04] <MGR> You can also cut the data wires or remove the pins
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L207[11:40:32] <gamax92> I don't think @MGR understands the conversation
L208[11:42:05] <Inari> You can not have a +5V wire
L209[11:42:26] <Inari> Saphire: A charger that doesn't transmit power?
L210[11:42:27] <Inari> What :P
L211[11:43:53] <Saphire> Inari: that has no data wires in supplied cable
L212[11:43:59] <MGR> I understand
L213[11:44:13] <Inari> Saphire: Yeah but
L214[11:44:18] <Inari> then it carries power but no data
L215[11:44:21] <Inari> not data but not power
L216[11:44:38] <Saphire> Ooooh, I misread that
L217[11:44:57] <Saphire> Okay, never seen those, but perfectly possible
L218[11:55:49] <Skye> to be honest
L219[11:55:56] <Skye> it's technically possible
L220[11:56:12] <Skye> but I think part of the whole "there is a connection" is the presense of the 5V line
L221[11:56:50] <Skye> you could probably carry data but no power but having a current limiting resistor
L222[11:56:53] <Inari> You could size it so it doesn't carry any power :D
L223[11:57:17] <Skye> so if it tries to draw more than the passive amount needed to dertermine a connection the voltage'll drop
L224[11:57:44] <Inari> But cables have no resistors
L225[11:58:31] <Temia> That doesn't mean they don't have resistance.
L226[11:58:57] <Inari> It does mean you have no current limiting resistor :P
L227[11:59:08] <Temia> Plus it's not impossible to put small circuits inside the plug
L228[11:59:10] <Skye> Inari, you could hide one
L229[11:59:20] <Skye> 20KOhm should do it
L230[11:59:36] <Inari> Just use a terrible cable, or cable material or so
L231[11:59:41] <Temia> Passive DP/HDMI adapters have step-up circuits in them
L232[12:04:43] <Inari> It's still odd to me that there are such big unsolved math problems :P
L233[12:06:29] <gamax92> Inari: teach a neural network to solve them
L234[12:06:37] <Inari> Heh
L235[12:06:52] <Inari> Theres actually neural networks that have done that before I recall
L236[12:07:04] <Inari> not one of the big unsolvedproblems though I think
L237[12:07:14] <gamax92> oh yeah I was going to go compile drivers and software ...
L238[12:07:29] <gamax92> maybe I can get lucky and there's an AUR package for this
L239[12:09:19] <gamax92> "Don' t you have any compile error with this release?" "No. You do yourself a disservice by not posting any data that can help others help you."
L240[12:10:41] <vifino> payonel: frankfuuurrrttttt
L241[12:10:56] <payonel> vifino: o/ :)
L242[12:11:00] <payonel> i'm in salzburg, today
L243[12:11:15] <vifino> can you make it to dortmund by the weekend?
L244[12:11:38] <vifino> alternatively now to thursday in frankfurt
L245[12:12:51] <vifino> it's an hour drive, payonel!!!
L246[12:13:38] <Inari> RIP Humble Bundle
L247[12:13:51] <vifino> Inari: help me convince payonel
L248[12:13:58] <payonel> ha
L249[12:14:13] <Inari> vifino: If payonel doesn't drive to you, drive to payonel
L250[12:14:19] <vifino> without a car?
L251[12:14:25] <vifino> without a drivers license?
L252[12:14:26] <Inari> Ride a bike
L253[12:14:37] <Inari> Use a bus
L254[12:14:37] <Inari> :D
L255[12:14:43] <vifino> pls
L256[12:14:50] <vifino> payonel dooo ittttt
L257[12:14:59] <gamax92> Ride a bike on top of the bus
L258[12:15:10] <Inari> Does payonel have a car? o.o I was under the assumption he uses public transport
L259[12:15:20] * vifino shrugs
L260[12:15:26] <Skye> taxi.
L261[12:15:37] <vifino> ^
L262[12:15:40] <payonel> it was an option, but i opted for bus+train
L263[12:15:54] <vifino> payonel's got the $$$ :P
L264[12:16:13] <Vexatos> come to Bremen while you're at it
L265[12:16:15] <vifino> pweetty pweeeze? :(
L266[12:16:22] <Vexatos> I have fresh kuri squash bread you don't want to miss out on
L267[12:16:46] <Vexatos> [note: it's more kuri squash than bread, and the second-most delicious thing you'll ever have eaten]
L268[12:17:10] <vifino> But I have quadcopters!
L269[12:17:21] <vifino> And and a fuckton of servers!
L270[12:17:34] <vifino> Plus, I am not that far.
L271[12:19:41] <Vexatos> but I have tasty food!
L272[12:19:50] <Vexatos> and a Klein bottle!
L273[12:19:55] <Vexatos> and
L274[12:19:56] <Vexatos> uh
L275[12:19:58] <Vexatos> Tasty food!
L276[12:20:18] <vifino> I have Captain Morgan! And bread! And can order food online!
L277[12:20:48] <Vexatos> but can you order fresh kuri squash bread online
L278[12:21:13] <Inari> Taxi doesn't exactly sound cheap
L279[12:21:15] <vifino> yes.
L280[12:22:28] <payonel> haha, well obviously i need to come to germany a 2nd time
L281[12:22:45] * payonel is just sad inari has never invited him
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L283[12:22:51] <vifino> You need to visit me, right meow. :I
L284[12:25:16] <sh4dow> does anyone know what the hive_mind effect does?
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L286[12:31:53] <Vexatos> I do!
L287[12:49:38] <gamax92> But I'm not going to tell you! ~ Vexatos probably
L288[12:50:24] <Vexatos> I never said that :I
L289[12:50:28] <sh4dow> the strange thing is that searching for the term on github didn't return any results...
L290[12:50:41] <Vexatos> How curious.
L291[12:51:00] <sh4dow> Indeed.
L292[12:54:16] <sh4dow> It gets even better: grep doesn't return any matching string inside the minecraft folder...
L293[12:54:37] <Vexatos> Odd.
L294[12:55:06] <Vexatos> Pro tip: Don't try to read the code, it'll spoil the fun :I
L295[12:55:34] <sh4dow> Reading scala code usually spoils the fun, true.
L296[12:55:38] <sh4dow> :P
L297[12:56:02] <Vexatos> You're telling me...
L298[12:57:46] <Vexatos> sh4dow, you should be able to figure out what it does by thinking a bit about it
L299[12:57:52] <Vexatos> it's not that far-fetched
L300[12:58:50] <sh4dow> alright
L301[12:59:20] <Skye> Is it bad that I like reading scala code
L302[13:01:14] <payonel> Skye: nope. you should apply that interest and help fix some oc bugs!
L303[13:01:48] <Skye> payonel, I need to finish school first x_x
L304[13:02:01] <payonel> when is that?
L305[13:02:19] <Skye> payonel, a year at least
L306[13:02:20] <Skye> :P
L307[13:02:59] <sh4dow> @Skye my dislike of scala may or may not come from my strong preference for low level coding
L308[13:03:25] <Vexatos> my dislike of scala may or may not come from having read and written scala code
L309[13:04:21] <Skye> please don't use @ unless I'm away
L310[13:04:30] <Skye> it's annoying to have 2 pings
L311[13:04:39] <sh4dow> I'd rather code a mod in jasmin than in scala :P
L312[13:05:37] <sh4dow> Skye: understood.
L313[13:06:50] <S3> sh4dow: why is that
L314[13:07:29] <Vexatos> I wonder if that's possible
L315[13:07:33] <Vexatos> writing a mod in jasmin >_>
L316[13:07:56] <S3> Vexatos:
L317[13:07:57] <sh4dow> well, I fixed bugs in mods with dirtyJOE, so I guess it would work fine
L318[13:08:01] <S3> write forth on top of jasmin
L319[13:08:05] <S3> and then code a mod in forth
L320[13:08:17] <S3> it would scarily at least be a little more sane
L321[13:09:50] <Vexatos> I'll then implement Lua in forth
L322[13:09:56] <Vexatos> and write a mod in Selene
L323[13:09:59] <Vexatos> that sounds sane
L324[13:10:52] <Skye> there's a C to Forth thingyt
L325[13:11:32] <Skye> so uh
L326[13:12:33] <sh4dow> how about you implement a virtual CPU in jasmin, and then use normal x86 assembly for the mod?
L327[13:17:47] <Skye> Selene -> Lua -> C -> Forth -> Jasmin -> JVM ?
L328[13:24:02] <sh4dow> x86 ASM -> physical cpu simulation -> Selene -> Lua -> C -> Forth -> Jasmin -> JVM
L329[13:24:34] <sh4dow> the other options were too sane
L330[13:30:52] <sh4dow> btw I still haven't figured out what "hive_mind" is supposed to do
L331[13:31:02] <sh4dow> do you need multiple players for it to work?
L332[13:32:00] <Kodos> sh4dow, it's a secret feature ?
L333[13:32:09] <Kodos> Right Vex?
L334[13:32:37] <sh4dow> It's very well-hidden.
L335[13:32:49] <Vexatos> Yes yes
L336[13:32:54] <Vexatos> please don't read the sauce code
L337[13:33:00] <Vexatos> no spoilers -> more fun
L338[13:33:09] <Vexatos> You only need one player
L339[13:33:17] <sh4dow> it's scala -> it's too annoying to read anyway
L340[13:33:18] <Vexatos> and you need to know what the term might be talking about
L341[13:33:26] <Vexatos> (hint hint)
L342[13:33:29] <Vexatos> don't think too hard about it
L343[13:33:45] <sh4dow> I thought maybe spiders would follow me around and fight for me, but that wasn't it.
L344[13:33:50] <sh4dow> slimes neither
L345[13:34:45] <sh4dow> does it have something to do with computers, or is it an in-world effect?
L346[13:35:04] <payonel> maybe you hear a buzzing in your head
L347[13:42:50] <sh4dow> my next guess - that it would change my detected playername - was also wrong
L348[13:43:01] <sh4dow> I think I'm out of ideas
L349[13:43:27] <sh4dow> does it do something obvious without a special trigger, or do I have to think harder?
L350[13:54:52] <Skye> Vexatos, I think I get it
L351[13:56:07] <sh4dow> Vexatos: you said I only needed 1 player ... did that mean 1 *other* player?
L352[14:01:37] <Vexatos> no
L353[14:01:42] <Vexatos> you only need yourself
L354[14:02:14] <Vexatos> sh4dow, think about other mods in your mod pack >_>
L355[14:02:24] <Skye> yeah I think I got it right
L356[14:12:25] <sh4dow> thaumcraft golems don't react in any detectable way either
L357[14:12:35] <Vexatos> you're thinking too hard
L358[14:12:45] <sh4dow> maybe
L359[14:12:56] <Skye> hive mind.
L360[14:13:01] <Vexatos> Skye, please
L361[14:13:03] <Vexatos> no spoil
L362[14:13:17] <sh4dow> is it about mind spiders?
L363[14:13:24] <Vexatos> no >_>
L364[14:13:30] <Vexatos> It's not about thaumcraft >_>
L365[14:13:33] <sh4dow> hm
L366[14:16:28] <sh4dow> the only mods OC has listed as dependencies that I have installed are BC, gregtech, projectRed, Thaumcraft and Stargate
L367[14:16:49] <sh4dow> BC doesn't have any entities etc. that would fit "hive mind"
L368[14:16:50] <Vexatos> might be because that feature is not added by OC
L369[14:16:52] <Vexatos> I wrote it >_>
L370[14:17:05] <sh4dow> so it's another mod?
L371[14:17:07] <Vexatos> yes
L372[14:17:15] <Vexatos> and that other mod does something with yet another mod
L373[14:17:19] <Skye> one of the ones Vexatos maintains.
L374[14:17:28] <Vexatos> It's added in Computronics
L375[14:17:37] <Vexatos> But it's related to another mod
L376[14:17:39] <Skye> ^
L377[14:17:40] <sh4dow> sneaky
L378[14:17:52] <MGR> BC drones?
L379[14:17:55] <Vexatos> no
L380[14:18:00] <MGR> Darn
L381[14:18:11] <Vexatos> they're called robots, by the way
L382[14:18:14] <MGR> I thought it was that because of the docking station
L383[14:18:17] <MGR> Oh
L384[14:18:29] <Vexatos> Well the docking station is for OC drones on BC pipes
L385[14:18:29] <MGR> I've never used them, so \o/
L386[14:18:37] <MGR> Oh
L387[14:18:42] <sh4dow> so that adds railcraft, enderIO and forestry...
L388[14:18:49] <MGR> BEES
L389[14:18:51] <Vexatos> (and around 15 other mods)
L390[14:18:56] <MGR> YOU DO SOMETHING WITH BEES
L391[14:19:15] <MGR> YOU CONTROL BEES
L392[14:19:18] <MGR> ATTACK BEES
L393[14:19:23] <Vexatos> What
L394[14:19:31] <sh4dow> it might be bees or butterflies
L395[14:19:42] <MGR> BEES attack for you
L396[14:19:45] <sh4dow> but I don't have access to those in my world yet
L397[14:19:56] <Vexatos> butterflies are nice
L398[14:20:13] <MGR> Does hive mind relate to bees?
L399[14:20:15] <Vexatos> In 2015, I fixed the taxonomy of all the butterflies in forestry
L400[14:20:15] <sh4dow> should I try to catch some for hive mind?
L401[14:20:26] <Vexatos> and all the trees
L402[14:20:27] <Vexatos> that was
L403[14:20:28] <Vexatos> uh
L404[14:20:29] <Vexatos> fun
L405[14:20:48] <MGR> To quote ProJared "BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!!!"
L406[14:20:49] <Skye> did MGR guess that?
L407[14:20:55] <Skye> also you spoiled the fun
L408[14:20:58] <Skye> :<
L409[14:21:03] <MGR> I guessed bees, yes
L410[14:21:07] <Vexatos> MGR is just a stupid child as always
L411[14:21:09] <Vexatos> Ignore them
L412[14:21:33] <MGR> :)
L413[14:21:34] <MGR> You're my friend too Vexatos
L414[14:21:42] <Vexatos> and you're extremely annoying
L415[14:21:58] <MGR> Sometimes, that's not incorrect
L416[14:23:49] <MGR> Sorry Skye
L417[14:23:50] <MGR> Sorry Skye
L418[14:24:16] <MGR> Oops
L419[14:24:31] <MGR> My Internet cut out, sorry about the double ping
L420[14:27:12] <sh4dow> I don't see any bee interaction.
L421[14:27:29] <gamax92> give them a nice romantic area first
L422[14:28:01] <sh4dow> I have a working bee house
L423[14:28:23] <sh4dow> but nothing interesting happens
L424[14:29:14] <sh4dow> the particle effects are exactly the same when I disable hive mind
L425[14:29:25] <Vexatos> just uh
L426[14:29:30] <Vexatos> try poking it a bit :I
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L428[14:32:24] <sh4dow> oh
L429[14:32:37] <sh4dow> I found the secret.
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L431[14:34:35] <sh4dow> what exactly does it do?
L432[14:34:39] <sh4dow> just look nice?
L433[14:35:12] <sh4dow> it doesn't attack anything
L434[14:36:56] <sh4dow> it shields me from aerial attacks, but nothing else
L435[14:37:05] <sh4dow> am I missing something?
L436[14:39:01] <Skye> sh4dow, punch someone
L437[14:41:02] <sh4dow> that didn't work on skeletons
L438[14:42:25] <Inari> Someone go make something interseting with redstone
L439[14:42:33] <Inari> Like build a circuit thatproves the riemann hypothesis
L440[14:42:59] <sh4dow> better start with a halting oracle
L441[14:43:41] <sh4dow> although such an oracle could be trivially used to prove the riemann hypothesis...
L442[14:44:05] <sh4dow> so I guess it fits your request
L443[14:49:36] <sh4dow> Vexatos: do you want to see something much worse than scala code?
L444[14:50:25] <sh4dow> https://pastebin.com/50kmjL2q
L445[14:50:44] <sh4dow> it's what my decompiler makes from your compiled scala code
L446[14:51:03] <Vexatos> sh4dow, two features
L447[14:51:08] <Vexatos> 1: try blocking
L448[14:51:23] <Vexatos> with your sword, or a shield, depending on MC version
L449[14:51:34] <Vexatos> also Computronics isn't written in scala >_>
L450[14:52:18] <sh4dow> didn't you also work on openComputers?
L451[14:52:36] <Vexatos> I guess
L452[14:52:42] <Vexatos> 2: Get an impregnated stick, point it at some evil being, like a sheep, have fun
L453[14:52:47] <Vexatos> that's about it
L454[14:52:57] <Vexatos> shift right click the thing to dispose of it
L455[14:53:26] <Vexatos> Oh, also, they have a lifespan, about 1.5 times the lifespan of the bees in the apiary, and they also exert any effects the bees might have
L456[14:53:33] <Vexatos> e.g. poison from tropical bees
L457[14:53:49] <sh4dow> do extraBees effects work if it is installed?
L458[14:53:58] <sh4dow> like resurrection?
L459[14:53:59] <Vexatos> this should work with any bee
L460[14:54:08] <Vexatos> it's 0 different to an apiary minecart
L461[14:54:14] <sh4dow> nice
L462[14:54:35] <sh4dow> am I immune to the effects, or do I have to wear special gear?
L463[14:54:52] <Vexatos> if you were it wouldn't be fun :I
L464[14:55:35] <Vexatos> these things are pretty powerful because they take a lot to die, all you can do is hide in water or out of sight
L465[14:55:56] <Vexatos> They instantly forget anything they don't have line of sight to
L466[14:56:07] <Vexatos> also they die during the rain unless they're rain-tolerant
L467[14:56:07] <sh4dow> well, with absorption/heal nans you are probably effectively immune to everything
L468[14:56:10] <Vexatos> they also die in water
L469[14:56:19] <sh4dow> can you make them water tolerant?
L470[14:56:27] <Vexatos> No >_>
L471[14:56:34] <Vexatos> There needs to be some way to hide from them
L472[14:56:38] <Vexatos> other than a hole in the ground
L473[14:56:44] <Vexatos> bees have wings, bees cannot dive
L474[14:56:46] <Vexatos> simple as that
L475[14:56:57] <sh4dow> but I want OP exploding resurrecting teleporting underwater bees :(
L476[14:57:16] <Vexatos> bees can only have one effect at a time >_>
L477[14:57:51] <sh4dow> hm ... how much work would it be to make them have multiple with bytecode edits?
L478[14:58:03] <Vexatos> these bees are pretty nasty, and if you somehow manage to get two inputs for this effect on your configuration, they're even twice as powerful
L479[14:58:14] <Vexatos> well
L480[14:58:23] <sh4dow> do inputs stack indefinitely?
L481[14:58:23] <Vexatos> all you really need to do is rewrite all the genetics code
L482[14:58:29] <Vexatos> yes they do
L483[14:58:46] <Vexatos> But you can only have four inputs active at once by default before experiencing... negative effects
L484[14:58:52] <Vexatos> and that's a thing in OC
L485[14:58:52] <sh4dow> too bad you can't craft nanny networks yet
L486[14:58:56] <Vexatos> it has nothing to do with this specific effect
L487[15:01:07] <sh4dow> do you know if there's any nanny change planned? like network crafting/coding/software based rewire?
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L493[15:43:55] <Inari> Would be interesting if we found some physical, quick, and well-controllable way to determine if something is a prime number :P
L494[15:44:07] <Inari> Seems unlikely though
L495[15:54:42] <MGR> Mimiru, where's the developer builds for Open Security?
L496[15:55:17] <Michiyo> jenkins.
L497[15:55:19] <Michiyo> :P
L498[15:55:29] <Michiyo> https://ci.pc-logix.com
L499[15:56:37] <MGR> Thank you!
L500[15:56:45] <Michiyo> Heads up @MGR... the latest 1.10 build on curse.. is the latest 1.10 build on jenkins
L501[15:56:56] <MGR> I was looking for 1.7 builds
L502[15:57:31] <MGR> .... which is numbered behind my build
L503[15:57:32] <Michiyo> ahh, then yeah the OS-dev builds there are in theory newer
L504[15:58:04] <MGR> OpenSecurity-1.7.10-1.0-97 newer than that?
L505[15:58:11] <MGR> Even though the latest is -80?
L506[15:58:20] <Michiyo> ahh, they were built the same day97 is a release
L507[15:58:33] <Michiyo> and this is what happens when I get distracted by UPS guy.. lol
L508[15:58:37] <Michiyo> 97 is a release from november
L509[15:58:41] <Michiyo> dev 80 is july 24th
L510[15:58:52] <MGR> Uh ok
L511[15:58:52] <Michiyo> release #103 is also july 24th
L512[15:59:27] <MGR> Thank you
L513[16:00:49] <Michiyo> https://ci.pc-logix.com/job/OpenSecurity/changes look at all those changes... :P
L514[16:01:27] <MGR> There's a relevant xkcd
L515[16:01:29] <Michiyo> P.S. Secure Network Card is still broken, it may never work... Sangar doesn't even know why it doesn't work so meh.
L516[16:01:48] <MGR> https://xkcd.com/1296/
L517[16:01:48] <MichiBot> XKCD Comic Name: Git Commit Posted on: 11/27/2013
L518[16:01:55] <MGR> Relevant xkcd
L519[16:02:32] <Dudblockman> HAAAAAAAAANDS
L520[16:12:36] <Michiyo> @MGR the good news is you should notice a nice improvement to performance RE: door controllers
L521[16:12:50] <Michiyo> I had a dumb... and made them scan for doors every damn tick.
L522[16:12:50] <MGR> Haven't used those yet, but I will be, so thank you
L523[16:13:12] <Michiyo> found a door? cool LOOK FOR DOORS THIS TICK!
L524[16:13:35] <Michiyo> IDK if it works in 1.7.. but in 1.10 the door controller can also control any door that extends the vanilla door classes too
L525[16:13:46] <Michiyo> have to admit.. I've not tried :P
L526[16:15:13] <Michiyo> if (block instanceof BlockSecurityDoor) { nope it will only work on my doors in 1.7
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L528[16:18:33] <MGR> Ok
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L540[17:57:32] <AmandaC> %choose watch or listen
L541[17:57:33] <MichiBot> AmandaC: watch
L542[17:57:57] <AmandaC> %choose yappa paa or magical butterflies
L543[17:57:57] <MichiBot> AmandaC: magical butterflies
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L545[17:59:04] zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L546[18:06:38] <AmandaC> I wonder if Google can find the anime that's about with just that
L547[18:06:50] <AmandaC> %g magical butterflies anime
L548[18:06:52] <MichiBot> AmandaC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycFeQz75_WU - *Anime Magical Girls Butterfly - YouTube*: "Jan 25, 2012 ... All Anime girl transformations Pretty Cure 5/Yes! Pretty Cure 5 GoGo Wedding Peach Shugo Chara Pretty Cure Max Heart Sailor Moon Pretty ..."
L549[18:06:57] <AmandaC> Nope
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L552[18:18:16] <S3> Python is so stupid
L553[18:19:36] <S3> Why would I write code in a language that, if I were to delete a tab or forget one, the entire program's behavior itself becomes a whole new program?
L554[18:19:59] <S3> That my friend is evil
L555[18:20:12] <MGR> Maybe the developers were evil
L556[18:21:26] <S3> tHEY PROBABLY ARE
L557[18:21:28] <S3> woops caps
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L559[18:23:22] <AmandaC> S3: import antigravity
L560[18:23:28] <S3> lol
L561[18:23:33] <S3> I have heard that
L562[18:24:14] <AmandaC> Try it in the repl
L563[18:27:32] <AmandaC> There's also an actual m-x butterfly
L564[18:27:56] <AmandaC> +-plural
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L566[18:30:11] <20kdc> is import skynet a thing
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L569[18:33:15] <MGR> @20kdc Already got that covered
L570[18:49:23] <AmandaC> @20kdc I only know if antigravity being one
L571[18:49:38] <AmandaC> of*
L572[18:51:09] <20kdc> AmandaC: how are you not in space if you imported antigravity
L573[18:51:46] <MGR> The ceiling
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L576[19:08:29] <gamax92> well okay then.
L577[19:09:27] <gamax92> Ended up installing some driver, device now shows up in 'iw list', says AP support, and actually made a hotspot in Linux
L578[19:09:27] <gamax92> It used to just not show up at all in 'iw list'
L579[19:19:24] <gamax92> ahh crap, the ap has the same ip as the laptop and stuff breaks
L580[19:21:39] <Dudblockman> I'm doing beautiful hackery
L581[19:21:48] <gamax92> I'm doing shitty coding
L582[19:22:27] <Dudblockman> Ever lived in a dorm with so many wifi signals your poor nintendo switch loses connection every time you play multiplayer?
L583[19:23:07] <Dudblockman> I tried LAN but that network has too many security protocols for the system
L584[19:23:29] <gamax92> Have not lived in a dorm and do not own a nintendo switch
L585[19:24:32] <Dudblockman> Well... so I wanted to provide internet to my console via an ethernet cable... but I have to obtain my connection through wireless
L586[19:25:16] <Dudblockman> And I'm currently under the impression that this router I have lying around might be able to establish a better connection than whatever hardware is inside the Switch.
L587[19:26:04] <Dudblockman> So I'm flashing my router with DD-WRT and I'm going to use it to bridge the wireless connection
L588[19:26:34] <Dudblockman> All in hopes that it might establish a wireless connection less prone to dropping every 5 minutes
L589[19:29:19] <Dudblockman> Totally hackerman here
L590[19:30:20] <vifino> Bridge or NAT?
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L592[19:39:45] <Dudblockman> ......
L593[19:39:47] <Dudblockman> Yes
L594[19:40:03] <Dudblockman> I totally have a full grasp of what I am doing
L595[19:41:19] <Dudblockman> I want Device --> My Thing <> My Router <> Their Router <> Global Repository of Cat Photos
L596[19:42:30] <Dudblockman> My understanding of networking is enough to allow me to do things I probably shouldn't
L597[19:47:13] <Dudblockman> I just want my router to be a souped up wifi adapter for my console.
L598[19:49:14] <Dudblockman> How long till the campus IT guys are running at me with knives cause I did something stupid?
L599[19:49:23] <Dudblockman> I give it... 3 days
L600[19:50:52] <Dudblockman> Here is the problem I face... there are too many networks https://gyazo.com/7063c800467b73b56af311f40fbf65a5
L601[19:51:58] <Dudblockman> It is a wireless hellscape around here
L602[19:52:24] <ben_mkiv|afk> what router you got?
L603[19:53:00] <Dudblockman> TL-WR1043nd
L604[19:55:05] <Dudblockman> By my logic... it is a router and might have better luck establishing a connection in this mess
L605[19:55:30] <Dudblockman> I had limited success using my laptop to bridge the connection, but that was silly
L606[19:55:46] <Dudblockman> I just want something that I can set and forget
L607[19:57:23] <Dudblockman> I have always hated dealing with networking @_@
L608[19:57:53] <Dudblockman> Damn it jim, I'm a Mechanical Engineer not a...
L609[19:59:40] <gamax92> okay, old driver also blacklisted
L610[20:00:07] <ben_mkiv|afk> yea would go for the router to setup some NAT
L611[20:00:31] <ben_mkiv|afk> but idk anything about DD-WRT the interface used to be a pain back when i tried it, so i sticked with tomato
L612[20:00:41] <ben_mkiv|afk> no idea if thats available for your router
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L616[20:04:11] <gamax92> it's a wild InariWB
L617[20:04:17] <InariWB> :P
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L622[20:58:58] * AmandaC sends gamax92 the driver for the QCP unit placed secretly in every atom of every processor. (Quantum Cake Processor)
L623[20:59:33] <AmandaC> Requires Linux 2.1
L624[21:04:22] <gamax92> the hotspot doesn't work anyway, I apparently can't set the interface into master mode but nm can, and hostapd fails on both the patched version and normal version
L625[21:08:12] <S3> somehow I missed this gamax92
L626[21:08:18] <S3> : ( 41 WORD DROP ;
L627[21:10:48] <Dudblockman> By the Gaben, this setup works
L628[21:11:00] <Dudblockman> I was expecting failure
L629[21:11:51] <Dudblockman> I jinxed it
L630[21:12:08] <Dudblockman> As soon as I say that "A communication error has occurred."
L631[21:12:28] <Dudblockman> Maybe I should be praising nintendo rather than Gaben?
L632[21:16:17] <gamax92> agh, the thing renders nothing on hardware :|
L633[21:16:23] <gamax92> and dolphin is broken
L634[21:16:39] <gamax92> and the alternative is garbage, which inspires me to work on my stuff again
L635[21:16:51] <S3> ...
L636[21:17:49] <gamax92> S3: agh
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L643[22:29:44] <AmandaC> %give MichiBot a fortune cookie saying "What if alien hand, but moe girl?"
L644[22:29:44] * MichiBot accepts the fortune cookie saying "What if alien hand, but moe girl?" and adds it to her inventory
L645[22:30:21] * AmandaC pads around in a circle, curls up against Inari and sleeps
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L647[22:40:45] <gamax92> ds84182: are you around?
L648[22:42:02] <gamax92> ugh, bugs that only exist with newer versions of g++
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L650[22:49:28] <gamax92> %tell ds84182 none of the display lists render in newer versions of gcc
L651[22:49:28] <MichiBot> gamax92: ds84182 will be notified of this message when next seen.
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L653[22:59:40] <gamax92> well dolphin is yelling at me in it's logger
L654[23:01:58] <Izaya> Dolphins can yell?
L655[23:02:02] <Izaya> I always thought they clicked
L656[23:02:10] * gamax92 throws an emulator at Izaya
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