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L10[00:57:17] <_habnabit> i made a computronics lamp show a cubehelix rainbow :D

L11[00:57:36] <Saphire> Hm?

L12[00:58:12] <_habnabit> trying to figure out how to do a screen capture

L13[01:04:19] <_habnabit> https://youtu.be/EoAUyaQSIkw

L14[01:46:59] <greaser|q> if you're stuck for a dfpwm lua implementation there's a rather specialised implementation in my talk files

L15[01:51:30] <greaser|q> the slide_6() function contains the proper canonical compression implementation

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L18[02:00:46] <greaser|q> aaand i think that's enough for this spectacularly reliable connection, i'll be turning this off now

L19[02:01:48] <v^> halp

L20[02:02:01] <v^> in tis-3d is there a proper editor or something

L21[02:02:16] <v^> the book and quill is shit

L22[02:02:36] <v^> i cant move up and down lines :<

L23[02:04:53] <BBoldt> code bible or something I think?

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L36[04:44:54] <Antheus> .-.

L37[04:44:58] <g> ._.

L38[04:45:04] <Antheus> o_o

L39[04:45:10] <g> o_o

L40[04:45:13] <g> https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/12510377_920082418041069_2313275993296281099_n.jpg?oh=531d13d05e56dd4f7fa1358a882fb255&oe=573A6F9B

L41[04:45:56] <Antheus> g: did you know, that quake was developed in a town near me?

L42[04:49:44] <g> AngieBLD: well considering I don't know who or where you are.. :P:

L43[04:49:47] <g> er, Antheus

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L48[05:14:06] <Antheus> g: I don't know who you are either

L49[05:14:15] <Antheus> I just see you a lot in by buffer/log

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L51[05:15:05] <Antheus> Inari :D

L52[05:15:32] <Inari> uh

L53[05:15:33] <Inari> hi? xD

L54[05:16:00] <Antheus> xxxD

L55[05:16:13] <Inari> o.ô

L56[05:16:16] <Inari> you on drugs or something

L57[05:16:28] <Antheus> nah

L58[05:16:32] <Antheus> just had 2 hours of sleep

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L63[05:56:44] <Antheus> ~w eeprom

L64[05:56:44] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:eeprom

L65[06:01:45] <Vexatos> SANGAR YOU CHEATER

L66[06:01:46] <Vexatos> DAMNIT

L67[06:01:57] <Sangar> what now? >_>

L68[06:02:49] <Antheus> Vexatos, are you ok?

L69[06:03:01] <Antheus> ~w computer

L70[06:03:02] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:computer

L71[06:03:06] <Vexatos> Sangar, I have so far spent 4 hours trying to make a module JSON

L72[06:03:13] <Vexatos> and it wasn't rotating properly

L73[06:03:13] <Sangar> <_>

L74[06:03:18] <Vexatos> but your obj model was

L75[06:03:20] <Vexatos> turns out

L76[06:03:26] <Vexatos> you are displaying the overlay texture on two sides

L77[06:03:28] <Vexatos> back and front

L78[06:03:32] <Sangar> :P

L79[06:03:33] <Vexatos> so it IS being rotated wrongly

L80[06:03:34] <Vexatos> ;_;

L81[06:03:37] <Vexatos> THIS

L82[06:03:38] <Vexatos> IS

L83[06:03:38] <Vexatos> SO

L84[06:03:41] <Vexatos> AEOIUAGHIRUGHAOFUIHAFGUIHNFG

L85[06:05:35] * Antheus gives Vexatos a chill-pill

L86[06:07:14] <Antheus> hmm

L87[06:08:19] <Vexatos> YUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

L88[06:08:23] <Vexatos> Sangar, PR imminent

L89[06:08:25] <Antheus> while true do event, _, _, p, d, msg = computer.pullSignal(0.5) other stuff blah blah blah end would work, correct?

L90[06:09:35] <Antheus> ~w modem

L91[06:09:35] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:modem

L92[06:12:15] <Sangar> mkay

L93[06:13:25] <Antheus> Sangar: what do you think about Advanced Relays. Assembled in Assembler w/eeprom/otherstuffs, allows for advanced stuff involving routers

L94[06:13:36] <hitecnologys> Greetings, #oc! I haven't been following news for a while so... Say, I want to write something fancy that involves exchanging messages between computers (securely?) over sufficiently long distances, presumably with filtering and somewhat complex routing. With what networking library should I go? Or maybe with a pack of them?

L95[06:13:55] <Antheus> ohai hitecnologys

L96[06:14:13] <hitecnologys> Antheus: o/

L97[06:15:07] <Antheus> and it would ofcourse add a little delay since it would run code for every message

L98[06:15:18] <Sangar> Antheus, define 'advanced'

L99[06:16:04] <Antheus> One teir above non-advanced

L100[06:16:33] <Vexatos> Sangar, http://paste.asie.pl/ql2w

L101[06:16:34] <Antheus> since it would be able to do more than a normal relay

L102[06:16:38] <Vexatos> that's moduleStack.json now

L103[06:16:45] <asie> Sangar: so, important notes

L104[06:16:52] <asie> 1. i will likely break the Charset wire API to use capabilities this evening.

L105[06:16:56] <asie> final break for 1.8 hopefully

L106[06:17:04] <asie> 2. IItemHandler is out and if you have anything which deals with inventory transport

L107[06:17:10] <asie> you must choose to support that as it's great

L108[06:17:30] <Vexatos> Sangar, what do you think

L109[06:17:30] <Antheus> ~w sides

L110[06:17:30] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:sides

L111[06:17:43] <Antheus> ~w redstone

L112[06:17:43] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:redstone

L113[06:17:48] <Sangar> Vexatos, looks fancy. now split it into 'module.json' and 'moduleStack.json' using that, or so, to make it reusable if that's possible?

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L115[06:18:03] <Vexatos> Sangar, I can't inherit blockstate files

L116[06:18:04] <Vexatos> sorry

L117[06:18:09] <Sangar> ah, too bad

L118[06:18:12] <Vexatos> I have no clue why that hasn't been added

L119[06:18:21] <Vexatos> since you can inherit model files even in vanilla

L120[06:18:38] <Sangar> asie, okeh. i'll try to drag myself back to minecraft over the course of this week :P

L121[06:18:43] <asie> okai!

L122[06:19:05] <DeanIsaKitty> Izaya: Just saying: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/19/lamb-chop-weight-enforcers-want-warrantless-access-to-australians-metadata :P

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L124[06:21:02] <Izaya> DeanIsaKitty, my metadata: sustained connection on port 22 to some weirdass thing in france with no rDNS record

L125[06:21:11] <Antheus> How would you make a computer halt for 1 second, EEPROM wise?

L126[06:21:16] <Izaya> wait wat

L127[06:21:26] <Izaya> LAMB? They want access

L128[06:21:29] <Izaya> to measure LAMB.

L129[06:21:38] <Izaya> Antheus, computer.pullSignal(1)

L130[06:22:10] <Antheus> ok, I'll just have it check to see if it gets the kill command ever other second then

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L132[06:22:39] <DeanIsaKitty> Izaya: Yes. Thats exactly it. Your National measurement institute wants to be classified as law enforcement. Because LAMB.

L133[06:26:58] <Inari> leave the poor lambs alone

L134[06:28:04] <DeanIsaKitty> Inari: That's not even the fun part. Just imagine the german "eichamt" kicking down your door because they are law enforcement now. :D

L135[06:28:25] <Inari> lol

L136[06:28:52] <Inari> because i have non-properly calibrated devices?

L137[06:32:01] <Antheus> ~w break

L138[06:32:01] <ocdoc> Predicted http://ocd.cil.li/block:rack

L139[06:32:04] <Antheus> ffs

L140[06:34:50] <Izaya> whats an eichamt

L141[06:35:01] <Izaya> I assume it's not a lamb measuring department

L142[06:35:09] <DeanIsaKitty> Izaya: The german equivalent to an australian NMI

L143[06:35:27] <Inari> NMI?

L144[06:36:04] <DeanIsaKitty> Inari: National Measurement Institure. FFS do yall know how to google??

L145[06:36:16] <Inari> i do

L146[06:36:20] <Vexatos> Snagar: https://github.com/MightyPirates/TIS-3D/pull/42

L147[06:36:21] <Saphire> %g define NMI

L148[06:36:23] <MichiBot> Saphire: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=NMI - Urban Dictionary: NMI: "I'm afraid our company cannot hire you because of resume NMI. 2. I tried to return

L149[06:36:23] <Izaya> so it is the lamb measuring department

L150[06:36:29] * Saphire sighs

L151[06:36:45] <DeanIsaKitty> %w NMI

L152[06:36:51] <Inari> non-maskable interupt, NMI TT Pharamservices, NMI Natuarl and MEdical Sciences Institute, NMI Gaming, NMI TT, The NMI System

L153[06:36:56] <DeanIsaKitty> Does MichiBot not have a wikipedia command? <.<

L154[06:37:10] <Inari> Nordafrika-Mittleost-Initiative :D

L155[06:37:32] <DeanIsaKitty> Inari: Its not like I talked about that 5 lines above your question.

L156[06:37:33] <Inari> also why does chrome default to .de now agian

L157[06:37:34] <Inari> :<

L158[06:37:50] <DeanIsaKitty> Inari: Because google wants those precious metadata

L159[06:38:03] <Inari> well it can get that even if i use .com

L160[06:38:03] <Inari> :P

L161[06:38:28] <Inari> i /hate/ sutff defaulting to german D:

L162[06:38:40] <DeanIsaKitty> Legally speaking there is a difference. So in case of .de it doesnt make a difference, in case of .uk it does

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L164[06:39:55] <Antheus> ~w string

L165[06:39:55] <ocdoc> http://www.lua.org/manual/5.2/manual.html#pdf-string

L166[06:42:43] <Izaya> so I can write to a stream once per tick using the ethernet card, right?

L167[06:42:54] <Antheus> ahdkjfas

L168[06:43:13] <Antheus> attempt to index global 'component' (a nil value)

L169[06:43:15] <Antheus> ldkjaf;lds

L170[06:43:29] <Saphire> Antheus: component=require("component")

L171[06:43:45] <Antheus> Saphire, this is for a eepro

L172[06:43:49] <Antheus> ...

L173[06:43:54] <Saphire> oh

L174[06:43:56] <Antheus> Forgot I was running it within openOS

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L176[06:44:44] * Antheus facedesks

L177[06:45:40] <Vexatos> Sangar, do you know by chance how to trigger a lighting update in 1.8.9?

L178[06:45:42] * Saphire pats Antheus and places pillow onto the desk

L179[06:45:52] <Vexatos> The colorful lamp's lighting is literally the only thing left to port

L180[06:45:59] <Vexatos> then I can bascically release

L181[06:47:17] <Antheus> Vexatos, have the game spawn lava everywhere then delete it

L182[06:47:21] <Antheus> seems to work for me

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L184[06:48:23] <Inari> lol

L185[06:48:34] <Inari> that sounds incredibly hacky

L186[06:49:40] <Sangar> Vexatos, the markBlahForUpdate thinger doesn't work?

L187[06:54:11] <Antheus> What upgrades go good with microcontrollers?

L188[06:54:13] <Antheus> battery?

L189[06:54:25] <Saphire> uh

L190[06:54:58] <Antheus> uh?

L191[06:55:20] <Antheus> I mean, it makes sense for what I am doing to have a backup power supply

L192[06:55:35] <Vexatos> Sangar, it doesn't

L193[06:56:08] <Vexatos> Sangar, http://git.io/vzoKG

L194[06:56:13] <Vexatos> none of that works

L195[06:56:41] <Sangar> do you do that on the client, server or both?

L196[07:03:45] <vifino> ohai dere

L197[07:03:52] <vifino> I'mmalive.

L198[07:04:12] <Izaya> are you sure

L199[07:04:34] <vifino> 98%.

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L201[07:15:03] <Vexatos> Sangar, I tried it all

L202[07:15:12] <Vexatos> The color does properly update

L203[07:15:17] <Vexatos> so there was a block update

L204[07:15:26] <Vexatos> it's just the lighting

L205[07:15:44] <Sangar> idk, what's the vanialla redstone lamp do?

L206[07:15:44] <Vexatos> it just still thinks it's emitting a light level of 15 even if I set it to 0 long ago

L207[07:15:49] <Vexatos> replace the block

L208[07:15:56] <Vexatos> there are two block instances

L209[07:16:02] <Sangar> ah, still

L210[07:16:04] <Vexatos> unlit and lit lamp

L211[07:16:10] <Sangar> welp, then do that >_>

L212[07:16:35] <Vexatos> the thing is

L213[07:16:36] <Vexatos> it does setBlockState

L214[07:16:38] <Vexatos> world.setBlockState

L215[07:16:46] <Vexatos> and I do that too http://git.io/vzo6F

L216[07:16:53] <Vexatos> so why does theirs work and mine doesn't

L217[07:18:52] <Antheus> ~w computer

L218[07:18:52] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:computer

L219[07:20:39] <Inari> http://imgur.com/gallery/drYGyOp

L220[07:23:49] <Antheus> Inari, nice selfie

L221[07:23:58] <Inari> haha

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L224[07:34:13] <Antheus> Very good Italian food, Mediocre Tex-Mex, or Mediocre Catfish?

L225[07:34:18] <Antheus> for lunhx

L226[07:34:20] <Antheus> lunxh

L227[07:34:22] <Antheus> lunch

L228[07:36:00] <Izaya> italian

L229[07:40:33] <Antheus> Good idea

L230[07:40:45] <Antheus> Now to wait until noonish when my grandparents get here

L231[07:41:20] <Inari> http://i.imgur.com/fDHuqBC.jpg

L232[07:43:09] <Antheus> "I havent payed attention or studied in my class and waited till the night before to do my final project that is 70% of my final grade"

L233[07:43:19] <Inari> pretty much

L234[07:43:31] <Antheus> "And it's due tomorrow at 10am with no extentions"

L235[07:44:55] <Antheus> ffs

L236[07:45:12] <Antheus> I have one rouge alarm stuck in a endless loop of beeping

L237[07:45:17] <Antheus> it gets my kill signal

L238[07:45:21] <Antheus> but refuses to stop beeping

L239[07:45:26] <Antheus> even though it is hooked up right

L240[07:45:30] <Mimiru> Good, then my evil plan has worked.

L241[07:45:42] <Antheus> yet all the other ones have stopped

L242[07:45:45] <Antheus> Good morning Mimiru

L243[07:47:25] <Antheus> there we go

L244[07:47:31] <Antheus> just had to reboot the microthingy

L245[07:58:04] <asie> okay, Sangar, i finished completely breaking the API

L246[07:58:13] <asie> on the plus side, the API now handles the multipart stuff for you

L247[07:58:18] <Sangar> yey

L248[07:58:23] <asie> so all you need to do is a field @CapabilityInject(IBundledEmitter.class) and for the other classes

L249[07:58:29] <asie> then that singleton in hasCapability(singleton, side)

L250[07:58:34] <asie> then getCapability(singleton, side).get[...]()

L251[07:58:40] <asie> so no more dependency on multipart stuff

L252[07:58:43] <asie> or, in fact, most of your code. :D

L253[07:59:16] <Sangar> that field can be in the integration class, right, doesn't have to be in the te?

L254[07:59:17] <asie> the downside, though, is that TIS-3D will crash unless you update to that as it tries to link to existing but highly modified interfaces

L255[07:59:20] <asie> of course

L256[07:59:26] <Sangar> noice

L257[07:59:27] <Sangar> yeah

L258[07:59:28] <asie> look into hasCapability/getCapability.

L259[07:59:31] <asie> you can now proxy EVERYTHING

L260[07:59:40] <asie> you can even use events to attach capabilities dynamically outside of hardcoding them

L261[07:59:42] <asie> but that's a bit slower

L262[08:00:33] <Sangar> kk. i'll just finish this non-allocating thread pool for my side project... then maybe i can even have a look at that today :P

L263[08:00:44] <asie> yay

L264[08:00:54] <asie> you can even have a look at adding it to OC as it's so dynamic

L265[08:01:04] <asie> it's so dynamic in fact that Vexatos just might port it to CC despite the API's rigidness <o>

L266[08:01:19] <Sangar> sounds good

L267[08:04:29] <asie> Charset 0.2.0 should be out this evening

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L271[08:13:03] <MajGenRelativity> hello

L272[08:23:27] <Inari> http://imgur.com/gallery/KWJHy2x

L273[08:24:33] <Inari> http://imgur.com/gallery/suSQZrS

L274[08:24:51] <MajGenRelativity> MY REACTOR IS FULLY FUELED!

L275[08:25:33] <Izaya> and making more power than you'll ever use

L276[08:26:27] <Antheus> lol

L277[08:26:33] <Antheus> Hmm

L278[08:26:36] <MajGenRelativity> 1.82 million RF/t

L279[08:26:41] <MajGenRelativity> and that's without active cooling XD

L280[08:26:53] <Antheus> Trying to make a thing using frames

L281[08:26:57] <Antheus> like a big moving cieling

L282[08:27:01] <Antheus> .....

L283[08:27:31] <Izaya> Antheus, something to crush people?

L284[08:29:37] <Antheus> no

L285[08:29:45] <Antheus> a giant roof for a galatic craft rocket launch tube

L286[08:30:05] <Antheus> and I can't solve my issue of a singe line of blocks

L287[08:30:17] <Antheus> may have to use TC's draw bridges to add/remove blocks there

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L289[08:36:53] <Aerus> hi '

L290[08:38:32] <Saphire> o/

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L292[08:43:40] <Inari> i wonder if loli tax would work on imgur

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L295[08:54:51] <Antheus> loli?

L296[08:54:55] <g> yes.

L297[08:55:29] * Vexatos has been pinged

L298[08:55:33] <Vexatos> asie: What

L299[08:55:53] <asie> Vexatos: I added capabilities to CharsetWires

L300[08:55:59] <asie> go add CC support to Computronics

L301[08:56:44] <Vexatos> sure

L302[08:56:47] <Vexatos> just tell me how

L303[08:56:54] <Vexatos> asie, btw, Computronics 1.8.9 is 99% go

L304[08:57:09] <Vexatos> I just need to fix the colorful lamp's lighting not updating

L305[08:57:14] <Vexatos> and I have no idea why it doesn't

L306[08:58:01] <asie> Vexatos: uhhh

L307[08:58:02] <asie> generally

L308[08:58:05] <asie> you have an AttachCapabilitiesEvent

L309[08:58:09] <asie> you check if the tile entity is a CC computer

L310[08:58:10] <Vexatos> Also asie, do you has deobf

L311[08:58:13] <Vexatos> oh wait

L312[08:58:13] <asie> and attach it an ICapabilityProvider

L313[08:58:20] <asie> which provides IBundledEmitter and IBundledReceiver

L314[08:58:30] <Vexatos> ah right

L315[08:58:32] <asie> the IBundledEmitter proxies the byte[] data from CC, clamped to 0-15

L316[08:58:38] <asie> rescaled, even

L317[08:58:45] <asie> the IBundledReceiver re-grabs the byte[] data from the wires on update

L318[08:58:52] <Vexatos> how do you for loop in groovy

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L321[09:02:18] <Vexatos> soo asie, gimmeh build of charset so I can test >_>

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L323[09:07:18] <Vexatos> asie, can't you just make a deobf build already >_<

L324[09:07:21] <Vexatos> No I will NOT use BOM

L325[09:07:25] <Vexatos> BON*

L326[09:07:28] <asie> Vexatos: i make them

L327[09:07:30] <asie> gradle build

L328[09:07:32] <asie> :)

L329[09:07:38] <asie> they're just not up on the site yet as i need to rewrite the site.

L330[09:07:38] <CompanionCube> Izaya, achievement get

L331[09:07:45] <CompanionCube> have *dhcpcd* segfault

L332[09:09:34] <Izaya> I have a machine ffmpeg won't run on

L333[09:10:11] <CompanionCube> and yet it worked fine after a service restart

L334[09:10:14] <Izaya> also I have segfaulted dhcpcd in the past

L335[09:10:47] <CompanionCube> Izaya, I didn't even do anything

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L337[09:16:01] <Ranubis> hello :)

L338[09:16:25] <Ranubis> someone here who could help me with a litle program? :)

L339[09:17:40] <Mimiru> Ranubis, don't ask to ask, ask, and stick around

L340[09:17:54] <Mimiru> If someone is able to help they will

L341[09:18:03] <Mimiru> And we have plenty of people here who can

L342[09:21:34] <Ranubis> okey

L343[09:21:56] <Ranubis> erm .. missing something to get a "name" out of an table

L344[09:22:02] <Ranubis> http://pastebin.com/sryC2a2b

L345[09:23:04] <Ranubis> i know it should be easy .. but cant get it -.-

L346[09:24:16] <Mimiru> Well, I have to take kids for food, or they're going to gnaw my arms off

L347[09:24:18] <Ranubis> so the sensor returns entitys correct and i can use it .. but it wont compare the entity to the names in the table..

L348[09:24:19] <Mimiru> otherwise I'd try to help

L349[09:25:00] <Mimiru> but.. your table is just 2 entries, there are no "names" you need to see if the table contains a value you're looking for

L350[09:25:32] <Mimiru> afaik, you need to iterate the table, and check.. there may be a better way though..

L351[09:25:45] <Mimiru> I'm mainly a Java dev.. don't do a lot of lua :p

L352[09:25:58] <Mimiru> anyway afk

L353[09:26:45] <Ranubis> and im kind of a noob .. and didnt work with lua for long ... so dunno how to write the table correctly, or the compare question how to pull the names out ....

L354[09:27:42] <Ranubis> and dont want to just copy the program from gangsir ... ;)

L355[09:29:32] <Ranubis> even if i change the table to : players = {name="ranubis",name="fishmastr") ... wont work

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L357[09:35:52] <Vexatos> soo asie, what do I need to return in hasCapability and what in getCapability

L358[09:42:02] <Vexatos> also, asie, do I need one provider/emitter for each side?

L359[09:42:12] <asie> yes

L360[09:42:21] <asie> hasCapability? a boolea

L361[09:42:22] <asie> n

L362[09:42:24] <asie> getCapability? an impl

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L364[09:44:46] <Vexatos> asie, so here is a question

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L366[09:45:09] <Vexatos> how do I make CC recognize Charset's IBundledEmitters as things it can get bundled redstone from

L367[09:45:38] <asie> Vexatos: i don't know

L368[09:45:41] <asie> you did the redlogic integration

L369[09:45:45] <Vexatos> Nope, you did

L370[09:45:51] <Antheus> Nope, I did

L371[09:45:52] <Vexatos> and I removed it because it wasn't working

L372[09:45:54] <asie> and then

L373[09:45:56] <asie> you made one again

L374[09:46:33] <Vexatos> Nope

L375[09:46:37] <Vexatos> I made it inside redlogic

L376[09:46:43] <asie> yes

L377[09:46:43] <Antheus> Someone should make an OS that can fit on an EEPROM

L378[09:46:46] <Vexatos> which allowed direct access to code

L379[09:46:47] <asie> yes

L380[09:46:49] <asie> you don't need that

L381[09:46:51] <asie> just use capabilities

L382[09:47:01] <asie> CC can recognize them stupidly easily, just make a provider... you did that already...

L383[09:47:12] <Vexatos> asie, http://git.io/vzo54

L384[09:47:14] <Vexatos> I need this

L385[09:47:43] <asie> yes uh

L386[09:47:48] <asie> you do hasCapability

L387[09:47:49] <asie> and getCapability?

L388[09:47:51] <Vexatos> so would I do if(te.hasCapability(IBundledEmitter.class)) {getstuff}

L389[09:47:53] <asie> yes

L390[09:47:55] <Vexatos> k

L391[09:52:31] <Vexatos> Ok, that part is done

L392[09:52:37] <Vexatos> Now what to do with IBundledReceiver

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L394[09:54:35] <asie> Vexatos: implement it on the CC tile entity

L395[09:54:39] <asie> and make it NOP?

L396[09:54:45] <asie> if CC checks bundled cable levels on its own

L397[09:54:47] <asie> then make it NOP

L398[09:55:07] <Vexatos> so I do implement it

L399[09:55:15] <Vexatos> but I do NO-OP?

L400[09:55:31] <Vexatos> also, how large are the value I should return in IBundledEmitter

L401[10:02:25] <asie> yes

L402[10:02:28] <asie> the values are 0-15

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L405[10:07:51] <asie> Vexatos: also speaking of tape readers

L406[10:07:58] <asie> the module should work fine with multiple tape readers as long as it's on the top or bottom

L407[10:08:09] <asie> as then it would only read the top (or bottom) one

L408[10:08:22] <asie> also TIS-3D 0.8.2.11 crashes with latest Charset so watch out

L409[10:10:43] <Vexatos> so how do I return anything in getCapability

L410[10:10:48] <asie> you just

L411[10:10:49] <Vexatos> it apparently wants a generic type T

L412[10:10:50] <asie> return (T) object;

L413[10:10:52] <Vexatos> >_>

L414[10:10:54] <Vexatos> that cast

L415[10:10:54] <asie> if the capability's right

L416[10:10:58] <asie> yes that cast's the official way

L417[10:11:04] <asie> welcome to java

L418[10:11:08] <Vexatos> Yay unchecked cast warning

L419[10:11:42] <asie> at least i think it is

L420[10:13:32] <Vexatos> asie, http://paste.asie.pl/x6uc

L421[10:13:39] <Vexatos> how does it look

L422[10:13:46] <asie> looks fine

L423[10:13:57] <asie> but

L424[10:14:01] <asie> don't make a new instance on every getCapability

L425[10:14:03] <asie> cache them

L426[10:14:09] <asie> make a CCBundledEmitter[6]

L427[10:14:13] <asie> and a CCBundledReceiver singleton

L428[10:14:27] <asie> also

L429[10:14:30] <Vexatos> so getCapability can be called multiple times?

L430[10:14:32] <asie> this is not how it works @CapabilityInject(IBundledEmitter.class)

L431[10:14:36] <asie> also yes of course

L432[10:14:38] <asie> anyway

L433[10:14:40] <asie> @CapabilityInject(IBundledEmitter.class)

L434[10:14:42] <asie> on a FIELD

L435[10:14:44] <asie> not a METHOD

L436[10:14:48] <asie> and get rid of those functions

L437[10:14:53] <asie> they don't work this way

L438[10:14:57] <Vexatos> Of course

L439[10:14:59] <asie> register in preInit

L440[10:15:00] <Vexatos> read the javadoc

L441[10:15:03] <asie> what

L442[10:15:06] <asie> why would you use them on a method

L443[10:15:10] <asie> that's silly

L444[10:15:16] <Vexatos> read the javadoc

L445[10:15:21] <gamax92> read the javadoc

L446[10:15:29] <Vexatos> * When placed on a METHOD, the method will be invoked once the

L447[10:15:29] <Vexatos> * capability is registered. This allows you to have a 'enable features'

L448[10:15:29] <Vexatos> * callback. It MUST have one parameter of type 'Capability;

L449[10:15:34] <Roadcrosser> read the jacadoc

L450[10:15:35] <asie> ah

L451[10:15:40] <asie> so that's what you're doing

L452[10:15:41] <Roadcrosser> I cannot spell javadoc

L453[10:15:42] <Vexatos> yep

L454[10:15:46] <Vexatos> I register it on the event bus

L455[10:15:46] <ocdoc> read the javadoc

L456[10:15:52] <Vexatos> and I register the redstone provider

L457[10:15:53] <Antheus> asdfasdf

L458[10:16:05] <Roadcrosser> asdfghjkl

L459[10:16:06] <asie> yes this should work

L460[10:16:07] <ocdoc> hi im here 2

L461[10:16:08] <Vexatos> only if the capabilities are being registered

L462[10:17:06] <Vexatos> so asie, I create the instance in preInit?

L463[10:17:27] <asie> what instance

L464[10:17:47] <asie> for CCBundledEmitter, you need an instance per ICapabilityProvider

L465[10:17:49] <asie> or a set of in stances ever

L466[10:17:51] <asie> even

L467[10:17:56] <asie> for CCBundledReceiver just have a static final instance

L468[10:19:25] <Vexatos> asie, the CCBundledRedstoneIntegration instance

L469[10:19:29] <Vexatos> that listens for the event, etc

L470[10:19:33] <Vexatos> and makes it load the class

L471[10:19:57] <Vexatos> asie, http://paste.asie.pl/rXhs

L472[10:19:58] <Vexatos> better?

L473[10:22:15] <Vexatos> asie, are you causing block updates when bundled redstone changes?

L474[10:23:48] <asie> no

L475[10:23:52] <asie> you must use IBundledReceivrer

L476[10:23:54] <asie> this is to... prevent lag

L477[10:23:57] <Vexatos> otherwise that's what I'd have to do for CC to fire the event

L478[10:23:58] <Vexatos> Yea

L479[10:23:59] <Vexatos> ok

L480[10:24:27] <Vexatos> oh wait

L481[10:24:34] <Vexatos> there is no redstone event

L482[10:24:38] <Vexatos> but I have to do it anyways

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L484[10:24:44] <Vexatos> for CC to query the bundled signal

L485[10:30:03] <Vexatos> asie, it's fine to cause a block update on a bundled cable, right?

L486[10:30:04] <Vexatos> tile.getWorld().markBlockForUpdate(tile.getPos().offset(side));

L487[10:30:20] <Vexatos> since CC listens to onNeighborBlockChange

L488[10:33:20] <gamax92> Vexatos: are there any git folder downloaders for OC?

L489[10:33:49] <Vexatos> gamax92, git clone?

L490[10:34:02] <gamax92> "for OC"

L491[10:35:16] <gamax92> K guess no

L492[10:35:27] <gamax92> I'll just make a tar archive of the folder I want

L493[10:35:54] <asie> Vexatos: yes

L494[10:35:56] <asie> it's fine

L495[10:36:50] <Vexatos> gamax92, the "download ZIP" button on github?

L496[10:37:27] <gamax92> Vexatos: IN OPENOS YOU DUMB FUCK

L497[10:37:54] <gamax92> Would have thought "for OC" made that clear

L498[10:38:02] <gamax92> but then I forgot it's Vexatos we're talking about

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L501[10:41:34] <Vexatos> asie, can I return null in getBundledSignal

L502[10:41:38] <Kodos> Morning =D

L503[10:41:58] <gamax92> Sangar: does OC have custom headers support for it's internet card

L504[10:42:11] <MajGenRelativity> good morning Kodos

L505[10:42:22] <asie> Vexatos: what would null mean?

L506[10:42:59] <Vexatos> asie, in RedLogic, just 0 everywhere

L507[10:43:19] <asie> why would you pass that instead of a byte[]?

L508[10:43:21] <asie> just pass a byte[]

L509[10:43:28] <asie> i will accept nulls in the final release

L510[10:43:30] <asie> tho

L511[10:43:36] <asie> but other mods might have issues

L512[10:44:34] <Vexatos> Ok, neither of the directions work

L513[10:44:36] <Vexatos> yay

L514[10:44:44] <asie> yay

L515[10:53:16] <Sangar> gamax92, i think so

L516[10:53:35] <Vexatos> errr

L517[10:53:36] <Vexatos> asie,

L518[10:53:40] <Vexatos> in getBundledRedstoneOutput

L519[10:53:45] <Vexatos> emitter.getBundledSignal()

L520[10:53:48] <Vexatos> returns a lot of 0

L521[10:53:55] <Vexatos> even though I have a white lamp turned on ;_;

L522[10:54:30] <gamax92> ~w component:internet

L523[10:54:31] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:internet

L524[10:54:33] <gamax92> Sangar: ^

L525[10:54:44] <gamax92> I don't see how, unless that's outdated (probably is :p)

L526[10:54:51] <Sangar> it probably is :P

L527[10:55:02] <Sangar> iirc there was a pr a while ago

L528[10:56:11] <Kodos> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/pull/1556 Dat one?

L529[10:56:40] <Vexatos> huh, now it works

L530[10:57:14] <Sangar> sounds like it

L531[10:57:28] <gamax92> "function(url:string[, postData:string[, headers:table]]):userdata"

L532[10:57:32] <gamax92> so yeh, outdated

L533[10:57:32] <asie> Vexatos: a white lamp?

L534[10:57:43] <gamax92> I shall now try to abuse this

L535[10:57:49] <Vexatos> asie, colorful lamps are a thing, you know

L536[10:57:49] <Vexatos> >_>

L537[10:57:52] <asie> Vexatos: oh

L538[10:57:54] <asie> right.

L539[10:57:55] <Vexatos> I meant a lamp connected to a white wire

L540[10:58:06] <Vexatos> ok, so calling notifyBlockOfStateChange

L541[10:58:10] <Vexatos> on the computer

L542[10:58:15] <Vexatos> fixed the computer reading values

L543[10:58:21] <Vexatos> now to fix the computer emitting values

L544[10:58:29] <asie> you can call block updates on neighboring wires

L545[10:58:32] <asie> but if you want to be more precise

L546[10:58:40] <asie> getCapability(IBundledReceiver) on neighboring wires

L547[10:58:42] <asie> :)

L548[10:58:47] <asie> but always hasCapability first

L549[10:59:09] <Vexatos> that's not the problem

L550[10:59:12] <Vexatos> ComputerCraftAPI.getBundledRedstoneOutput

L551[10:59:15] <Vexatos> isn't being called

L552[10:59:18] <Vexatos> Well

L553[10:59:19] <Vexatos> it is

L554[10:59:22] <Vexatos> but it always returns -1

L555[10:59:33] <Vexatos> also the question is HOW to even call a block update

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L557[10:59:54] <Vexatos> since there is nothing being fired when the computer changes its redstone emittery

L558[11:00:15] <Vexatos> Oh wait, it is

L559[11:00:17] <Vexatos> nevermind

L560[11:00:17] <Vexatos> so yea

L561[11:00:25] <Vexatos> ComputerCraftAPI.getBundledRedstoneOutput returning -1

L562[11:00:27] <Vexatos> is the issue

L563[11:00:29] <Vexatos> the only issue left

L564[11:01:48] <Kodos> Whatcha doin anyway

L565[11:02:26] <Vexatos> 1.8.9 port

L566[11:02:28] <Vexatos> 99% done

L567[11:02:40] <Vexatos> just need to get colorful lamp lighting to work

L568[11:02:42] <Vexatos> and ComputerCraftAPI.getBundledRedstoneOutput

L569[11:05:52] <Kodos> You don't need no stinkin CC api =D

L570[11:11:31] <Vexatos> So uuuh

L571[11:11:40] <Vexatos> asie, it fails in the API

L572[11:11:49] <Vexatos> there is a try catch around a method invocation

L573[11:12:06] <Vexatos> and apparently it returns -1 outside that method invocation

L574[11:12:13] <Vexatos> sooo it threw an exception

L575[11:12:24] <Vexatos> except it didn't because IDEA couldn't find one

L576[11:12:24] <Vexatos> wat

L577[11:14:42] <MajGenRelativity> Mimiru, quick question about turrets

L578[11:14:55] <MajGenRelativity> Do they summon the bolt entity from the tip of the gun?

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L580[11:25:27] <Vexatos> aerghoaiuerghpaeupieruzhnpsrtuh

L581[11:25:32] <Vexatos> This doesn't work!

L582[11:25:38] <Vexatos> And it seems to be on CC's side

L583[11:25:42] <Vexatos> which means it'll never be fixed

L584[11:25:42] <Vexatos> ;_;

L585[11:26:49] <vifino> Receiving objects: 1% (300/26444), 84.00 KiB | 5.00 KiB/s

L586[11:26:57] <Kodos> So pull CC support until it is fixed. imo =D

L587[11:27:11] <Kubuxu> Let's kill CC.

L588[11:27:19] <Kubuxu> Anyone against?

L589[11:27:23] <Kodos> Nope

L590[11:28:00] <Antheus> fasdklfj

L591[11:28:18] <Antheus> I wish I could convince my dad to change to a less-shitty-shitty isp

L592[11:32:59] <Kodos> Is AmandaC still absent from CC's channel

L593[11:34:49] <Vexatos> so asie: Do you know how the CC API works?

L594[11:34:55] <Vexatos> like, use reflection and such?

L595[11:35:30] <Vexatos> well, the method to call is there, it goes into the try-catch thinger... and then exits and returns -1, without any exception at all.

L596[11:38:25] <asie> ok

L597[11:39:21] <Antheus> Kodos, yes

L598[11:39:27] <Kodos> Who all is opped there atm

L599[11:39:32] <Antheus> lemme get a pic

L600[11:39:35] <Antheus> jk

L601[11:39:36] <Antheus> um

L602[11:39:45] <Antheus> Cranium

L603[11:39:52] <Antheus> Cruor

L604[11:39:57] <Kodos> Cruor: you around?

L605[11:40:20] <Antheus> Lymia and Vivo

L606[11:42:11] <Antheus> Cruor has been idle for 6 hours

L607[11:42:18] <Kodos> Ah

L608[11:42:18] <Antheus> Your best bet would be Cran

L609[11:42:18] <Kodos> Piss

L610[11:42:35] <Kodos> Cranium, might I bother you a moment?

L611[11:42:38] <Antheus> hes been idle 8is min

L612[11:42:39] <Vexatos> OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

L613[11:42:44] <Vexatos> asie, found a bug in CC API

L614[11:42:46] <Vexatos> AHAHAHAHAHA

L615[11:42:51] <Vexatos> getBundledRedstoneOutput( World world, BlockPos pos, int side )

L616[11:42:51] <Antheus> HAHAHHA

L617[11:42:52] <Vexatos> calls

L618[11:42:58] <Vexatos> getDefaultBundledRedstoneOutput(World world, BlockPos pos, EnumFacing side)

L619[11:43:00] <asie> Vexatos: tell dan

L620[11:43:01] <Vexatos> via reflection

L621[11:43:10] <asie> or, if you want to be extra trolly

L622[11:43:13] <asie> call the right method via reflection

L623[11:43:46] <Cruor> Kodos: always

L624[11:43:50] <Kodos> <3

L625[11:43:57] <Kodos> Can you unban me from CC's channel now that Amanda's gone

L626[11:44:01] <Antheus> Same

L627[11:44:02] <Kodos> I can only assume she was finally ousted for abuse

L628[11:44:12] <Kodos> Or ragequit

L629[11:44:19] <Cruor> the latter, i would assume

L630[11:44:24] <Kodos> hope so

L631[11:44:30] <MajGenRelativity> Kodos, you seem to be banned in lots of places

L632[11:44:32] <Kodos> She's online and active, and not there, so I hope she's perma gone

L633[11:44:37] <Kodos> MGR, No?

L634[11:44:38] <Kodos> Only in CC

L635[11:44:41] <MajGenRelativity> oh

L636[11:44:42] <Antheus> lol

L637[11:44:44] <Kodos> And Forge's channel

L638[11:44:47] <MajGenRelativity> you must have mentioned it a couple of times then

L639[11:44:49] <Kodos> But that's not really an accomplishment

L640[11:44:53] * MajGenRelativity shrugs

L641[11:44:57] * MajGenRelativity goes back to eating noodles

L642[11:45:00] <g> lol, the forge channel

L643[11:45:05] <Antheus> lol

L644[11:45:05] <g> most corrupt op I've ever seen

L645[11:45:16] <Kodos> Have you met AmandaC?

L646[11:45:19] <Antheus> I have

L647[11:45:21] <g> No

L648[11:45:23] <Kodos> I called her whiny once

L649[11:45:26] <Kodos> Been banned since

L650[11:45:30] <g> ..lol

L651[11:45:31] <Antheus> I did something similar

L652[11:45:40] <Vexatos> asie, why reflection

L653[11:45:45] <Antheus> ialso got banned

L654[11:45:50] <Vexatos> I already depend on core CC code in various places

L655[11:45:57] <Vexatos> places I know won't change

L656[11:45:58] <Vexatos> :P

L657[11:46:00] <Cranium> Vexatos: https://github.com/dan200/ComputerCraft/issues or you can report the issue

L658[11:46:08] <Cranium> he actually reads this now

L659[11:46:09] <Vexatos> Cranium, https://github.com/dan200/ComputerCraft/issues/86 I already did

L660[11:46:10] <Vexatos> nub

L661[11:46:15] <Kodos> Lol

L662[11:46:18] <Antheus> lol

L663[11:46:27] <Cranium> Vexatos: ah, didn't refresh the page

L664[11:46:38] <Kodos> Cranium WTB Unban from #cc

L665[11:46:42] <Kodos> err computercraft

L666[11:47:13] <g> can you actually ban people from repos on github?

L667[11:47:14] <asie> Vexatos: you can work around it

L668[11:47:17] <asie> did you?

L669[11:47:44] <Vexatos> ComputerCraft.getDefaultBundledRedstoneOutput

L670[11:47:49] <Vexatos> It won't ever change, that method

L671[11:47:56] <Vexatos> since the API relies on the name to stay 100% the same

L672[11:48:06] <Vexatos> but he might change it to take ints later

L673[11:48:15] <Vexatos> I'll have to update then

L674[11:48:15] <Cranium> Kodos: what'd you get banned for?

L675[11:48:17] <Vexatos> but for now

L676[11:48:40] <Antheus> lol #computercraft: $a:Kodos on Mon Aug 10 17:34:16 2015 by AmandaC!sid25048@id-25048.charlton.irccloud.com

L677[11:48:40] <Kodos> For calling AmandaC out on abusing her op powers

L678[11:49:00] <Kodos> For literally banning anyone she disagrees with that expresses their opinions

L679[11:49:17] <Kodos> Including, but not limited to, my opinion of her being a shitmin

L680[11:49:25] * Antheus giggles

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L682[11:50:25] <Vexatos> works

L683[11:50:26] <Vexatos> asie: Done

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L685[11:51:22] <Ranubis> hi there again =D

L686[11:51:25] <Antheus> hi

L687[11:51:30] <Ranubis> over worked the code a bit : http://pastebin.com/uiyLVCRL

L688[11:51:39] <Cranium> why do you even need back in #computercraft? All you do in there from what I've seen is talk shit about the mod

L689[11:51:45] <Ranubis> but the programm still wont recognize me to be in the list

L690[11:52:29] <Ranubis> someone an idea?

L691[11:52:35] <Vexatos> asie, http://git.io/vzKvz

L692[11:53:35] <Kodos> Actually, quite often I ask for help with Lua problems

L693[11:53:53] <Kodos> I may have mentioned a time or two my opinion of OC being superior to CC, but CC is still great for learning on

L694[11:54:32] <Vexatos> asie, http://git.io/vzKv9

L695[11:54:34] <Vexatos> is that okay?

L696[11:55:44] <asie> might be

L697[11:55:55] <asie> but you only fixed it in one place, no?

L698[11:56:01] <Vexatos> oh derp

L699[11:56:02] <asie> to not use CCAPI

L700[11:56:48] <Vexatos> fixed

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L702[11:58:41] * Vista02 waves

L703[11:58:45] <Kodos> o/

L704[11:58:55] <MajGenRelativity> Hi Vista02/XP01

L705[11:59:28] * Vista02 waves at MajGenRelativity

L706[11:59:45] <Vexatos> Next one will be Millenium0.5 ;_;

L707[12:01:42] <MajGenRelativity> heh heh

L708[12:01:47] <asie> no

L709[12:01:49] <asie> it will be 703

L710[12:01:59] <Mimiru> MajGenRelativity, I have no idea :D

L711[12:02:01] <Mimiru> why?

L712[12:02:31] <MajGenRelativity> because the tip is slightly higher than 1 block

L713[12:02:36] <Vexatos> sooo asie

L714[12:02:42] <Vexatos> now help me fix colorful lamp lighting

L715[12:02:44] <Vexatos> and I can release

L716[12:02:44] <MajGenRelativity> I was wondering if the turret could fire while at pitch 0 if it has a block above

L717[12:02:52] <Vexatos> And you do want me to release, don't you :3+

L718[12:03:01] <asie> no

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L720[12:03:10] <asie> the colorful lamp threatens my area of interest

L721[12:03:26] <Mimiru> MajGenRelativity, no clue :D

L722[12:03:54] <_habnabit> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/pull/1628 yaaay i made a PR

L723[12:03:55] <MajGenRelativity> Mimiru, I would test but my server is broked with this version of OS :P

L724[12:04:11] <Inari> theres always #lua on freenode for lua problems

L725[12:04:49] <Kodos> Yeah, but I cbf because I'm already on one webchat

L726[12:05:09] <Mimiru> Kodos, yes it is, but it doesn't seem to care

L727[12:05:11] <Mimiru> err

L728[12:05:15] <Mimiru> MajGenRelativity *

L729[12:05:26] <_habnabit> Vexatos, did you see the rainbow i made with colorful lamps

L730[12:05:51] <Mimiru> MajGenRelativity, http://michi.pc-logix.com/javaw_2016-01-24_12-05-18.png but the bolt still fired out of the blocks

L731[12:06:17] <Mimiru> IT seems it fires through blocks anyway :P

L732[12:06:24] <MajGenRelativity> oh, good!

L733[12:06:48] <MajGenRelativity> although, after it reaches air after passing through the beginning blocks, other blocks stop it, right?

L734[12:06:50] <Vexatos> _habnabit, I did not

L735[12:07:05] <_habnabit> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoAUyaQSIkw

L736[12:07:05] <MichiBot> _habnabit: computronics cubehelix rainbow | length: 11s | Likes: 0 Dislikes: 0 Views: 5 | by habnabit

L737[12:08:00] <Mimiru> MajGenRelativity, it seems not

L738[12:08:19] <MajGenRelativity> um

L739[12:08:25] <MajGenRelativity> it can fire through walls????

L740[12:08:34] <Mimiru> oooh

L741[12:08:34] <Mimiru> no

L742[12:08:36] <Mimiru> I see..

L743[12:08:43] <Mimiru> it fires from the turret block, not above it

L744[12:09:09] <MajGenRelativity> ohhhhhhh

L745[12:09:10] <MajGenRelativity> ok

L746[12:09:13] <Mimiru> the bolt LOOKS like it comes from the tip

L747[12:09:15] <Mimiru> but it doesn't

L748[12:09:20] <Mimiru> it comes from the turret block

L749[12:09:37] <MajGenRelativity> ah that makes sense

L750[12:09:39] <Mimiru> if I put a block in front of the actual turret, it doesn't fire

L751[12:10:00] <Mimiru> I was very confused.. because I knew it had code for hitting blocks lol

L752[12:10:23] <MajGenRelativity> yeah

L753[12:10:24] <Kodos> MajGenRelativity: Are you still having the 'can't fire' issu

L754[12:10:25] <Kodos> e

L755[12:10:31] <MajGenRelativity> it would be OP if it could just burrow through blocks

L756[12:10:34] <Mimiru> Yes, cause he hasn't updated

L757[12:10:36] <MajGenRelativity> Kodos, mimiru fixed it

L758[12:10:39] <Kodos> Okay

L759[12:10:46] <Kodos> I was going to suggest disabling Railcraft's Heat bullshit

L760[12:10:50] <Kodos> In case that was it

L761[12:10:51] <MajGenRelativity> It wasn't that

L762[12:11:04] <MajGenRelativity> Mimiru used a client side only thing for the bolts

L763[12:11:06] <Mimiru> entity#setVelocity is marked client only

L764[12:11:11] <Mimiru> for whatever fucking reason

L765[12:11:20] <Mimiru> I had to use the 3 sets

L766[12:11:35] <Kodos> Did you open an issue on Forge's repo

L767[12:11:48] <Mimiru> Nipe, my fucks given meter was broken

L768[12:11:52] <Mimiru> s/i/o/

L769[12:11:52] <Vexatos> ok asie, how do I get information from a tape drive

L770[12:11:53] <Kibibyte> <Vexatos> ok asoe, how do I get information from a tape drive

L771[12:11:55] <Mimiru> damn it lol

L772[12:12:06] <Vexatos> like, how and where

L773[12:13:39] <Vexatos> asie, http://git.io/vzKJq

L774[12:13:41] <Vexatos> why?

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L778[12:16:15] <Officialy> Hi all, I'm a noob at all coding but i'm wanting to play custom music with the tape drive from computronics anybody know how and could tell me? :)

L779[12:16:42] <Officialy> im also on a server that and im not Op

L780[12:17:45] <Kodos> You'll need your music in an uncompressed 8 or 16 bit PCM .wav file

L781[12:21:27] <Officialy> i have got the song in .dfpwm (i converted my wav file to that with LionRay)

L782[12:21:41] <Vexatos> Officialy, can you upload it anywhere

L783[12:21:51] <Officialy> I have dropbox

L784[12:21:59] <Vexatos> won't work

L785[12:22:07] <Vexatos> you need something that doesn't enforce https :/

L786[12:22:13] <Mimiru> Officialy, send me a dropbox link

L787[12:22:17] <Vexatos> then you can use the built-in tape program

L788[12:22:18] <Vexatos> to download

L789[12:22:19] <Mimiru> and I'll put it on one of my boxes and give you al ink

L790[12:22:24] <Mimiru> Or that

L791[12:23:04] <Officialy> https://www.dropbox.com/s/lflw9krajw3je4p/TheFatRat_-_Splinter_Bass_Boosted_.dfpwm?dl=1 <---- heres the instant download for the file

L792[12:24:12] <Mimiru> Officialy, http://michi.pc-logix.com/TheFatRat_-_Splinter_Bass_Boosted_.dfpwm

L793[12:25:47] <Officialy> so what do I do with that link? (sorry that im a noob)

L794[12:27:58] <Mimiru> having never used the tapes... I'm not sure :D

L795[12:28:01] <Mimiru> Kodos... you know?

L796[12:28:45] * Vista02 greets everyone

L797[12:28:57] <Kodos> Is that an already converted dfpwm file?

L798[12:29:20] <Kodos> You'll have to host it from somewhere that doesn't use https, as iirc wget doesn't work with it

L799[12:29:47] <Kodos> But you use tape write DownloadURLHere

L800[12:29:49] <Kodos> In the shell

L801[12:29:55] <Kodos> ANd the tape willbe written with the dwpfm file

L802[12:29:59] <Kodos> Then you just tape play

L803[12:30:11] <Vexatos> Officialy, get a tape drive

L804[12:30:27] <Vexatos> get a tape with a size greater than the length of the song

L805[12:30:33] <Vexatos> (tooltip says how large it is)

L806[12:30:50] <Vexatos> then insert that tape into the drive and run tape write "http://michi.pc-logix.com/TheFatRat_-_Splinter_Bass_Boosted_.dfpwm"

L807[12:31:27] <Officialy> ok

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L809[12:34:14] <Officialy> it says file not found

L810[12:34:33] <Officialy> i have a internet card to

L811[12:35:29] <Kodos> Screenshot your physical setup

L812[12:35:30] <Kodos> no guis

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L814[12:36:46] <Officialy> http://imgur.com/wXzhyuk

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L816[12:37:42] <Kodos> Uhh what version of computronics are you using

L817[12:38:03] <Officialy> 1.6.0

L818[12:38:45] <Kodos> hm

L819[12:38:58] <Kodos> Did you remember to install OpenOS before hooking up components

L820[12:39:05] <Kodos> Rather than just running it off the floppy

L821[12:39:33] <Officialy> OpenOS is on the hdd

L822[12:39:38] <S3> OK!

L823[12:39:41] <S3> I did it

L824[12:40:01] <S3> it works, but it needs a couple of tiny additions which I think I can fit in

L825[12:40:07] <Kodos> Okay, go into the shell, in the main directory, and screenshot me the results of 'dir /bin'

L826[12:40:09] <S3> I wrote a forth intereter in < 1K

L827[12:40:11] <S3> of Lua :)

L828[12:40:14] <S3> it's 910 bytes

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L830[12:40:47] <Officialy> -_- wow i failed badly

L831[12:41:02] <Officialy> i wrote tapetape write <url>

L832[12:41:07] <Kodos> lolll

L833[12:41:08] <S3> however I have not finished DOCOL or EXIT, after those are done, and then number interpretation, it should be complete

L834[12:41:12] <Officialy> its now downloading it

L835[12:41:14] <S3> all of which I may be able to do in < 90 bytes

L836[12:41:18] <Kodos> Have fun =)

L837[12:41:20] <S3> 90 + 24 that is

L838[12:41:21] <S3> :)

L839[12:42:19] <S3> as promised it only provides one word, [L, which is analogous to :CODE and ;CODE

L840[12:42:25] <S3> it lets you write Lua code

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L842[12:42:38] <S3> wheras in a real forth it'd be machine code

L843[12:42:46] <S3> or assembly

L844[12:42:50] <Officialy> erm i pressed play on the tape drive and its not playing any sound

L845[12:44:08] <asie> did you rewind it?

L846[12:44:28] <asie> did you rewind it BEFORE you started writing?

L847[12:44:28] <S3> this is great, this gives us ~3K of space for forth code to put in an EEPROM

L848[12:45:20] <Officialy> yes it was re-winded before i started writing it

L849[12:47:18] <g> How do you paste into OC again?

L850[12:47:36] <Officialy> middle mouse button

L851[12:47:46] <S3> I thought it was the same way you do with X?

L852[12:47:54] <S3> which was mouse3

L853[12:47:57] <g> ah, thanks

L854[12:48:02] <S3> just a guess

L855[12:48:14] <S3> was I right? :)

L856[12:48:16] <Mimiru> insert works too

L857[12:48:20] <S3> heh

L858[12:48:44] <Mimiru> Which is handy if you don't HAVE a mouse3.. :p

L859[12:48:51] <S3> insert is actually a key that I do not know how it really works

L860[12:49:39] <S3> IRL, does it actually have a key code?

L861[12:49:45] <S3> some keys do not

L862[12:49:49] <S3> like ctrl

L863[12:50:15] <S3> but control is an awesome key

L864[12:50:46] <g> are these realistic tapes?

L865[12:50:52] <g> do they bunch up and get stuck if you play them at the wrong speed?

L866[12:50:53] <g> :u

L867[12:51:06] <g> yeah, this isn't working for me either

L868[12:51:16] <g> rewind tape, write to tape, it's still rewound and there's nothing on it

L869[12:53:34] <Kodos> keyboard API has a specific check for control tho

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L872[13:06:04] <g> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1547120/ShareX/2016/January/java_2016-01-24_19-06-03.png

L873[13:06:06] <g> I think I broke it

L874[13:16:18] <CompanionCube> congrats on breaking the laws of physics

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L877[13:21:44] <asie> g: gg

L878[13:21:51] <asie> gg g

L879[13:21:58] <asie> 3g

L880[13:34:47] <Magik6k> I see 10 g

L881[13:35:03] <Magik6k> ~w internet component

L882[13:35:03] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:internet

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L886[13:53:19] <Kodos> I want a TFC server with OC

L887[13:53:23] <Thutmose> has anyone else had the problem where placing some OC blocks results in them being turned into other mod's blocks?

L888[13:53:30] <Kodos> Thutmose: Update

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L891[13:53:35] <Kodos> Use the dev builds link in the topic

L892[13:53:44] <gamax92> I fucking swear if you're the same person who asked that last time.

L893[13:53:50] <Kodos> gamax92: be nice

L894[13:53:52] <Kodos> He's not

L895[13:53:52] <gamax92> okay

L896[13:54:00] <Kodos> Thutmose has only ever been Thut or Thutmose

L897[13:54:47] <Thutmose> ok, will update to that, was working on compatiblity for pokecube, and noticed the version on curseforge did that

L898[13:54:57] <Kodos> Yeah, known bug, was fixed, but hasn't been updated to CF yet

L899[13:55:06] <Kodos> #blameSangar

L900[13:55:25] <Kodos> Also, thank you for putting Lifts in 1.8.9

L901[13:55:29] <Kodos> =D

L902[13:55:34] <Thutmose> no problem :D

L903[13:55:40] <Kodos> I wonder tho

L904[13:55:49] <Kodos> How hard would it be to make it so lifts can be an even number wide/deep

L905[13:55:55] <Thutmose> easy

L906[13:56:02] <Kodos> I tend to use them for one chunk bases and it's odd to have an elevator off by one

L907[13:56:06] <Kodos> ALso messes with my OCPD

L908[13:56:09] <Kodos> Also*

L909[13:56:38] <Kodos> My temporary fix so far has been running two lifts side by side

L910[13:56:41] <Thutmose> so the problem was how to choose the size of the lift

L911[13:57:03] <Thutmose> right now it just looks for 5x5, then 3x3, then just goes with 1

L912[13:57:14] <Kodos> Well, I like the 3x3 for regular elevator shafts, but I've been using them more and more for transporting horses, so I've been switching to 5x5

L913[13:57:25] <Kodos> I built a horse breeding facility =D

L914[13:57:29] <Kodos> Because why the fuck not

L915[13:58:07] <Kodos> But yeah, 2x and 4x lifts would be neat

L916[13:58:11] <Kodos> 6x seems a bit extreme

L917[13:58:38] <Thutmose> and ideas on how to have it assign the size? maybe somehow choose size with linking device somehow?

L918[13:59:02] <Kodos> maybe WorldEdit style, have to select two opposing corners, and there has to be a lift block somewhere in the selected area

L919[13:59:14] <Kodos> Making sure to check that start and end are both on the same Y level

L920[14:00:36] <S3> ok. I'm going to cheese this

L921[14:01:02] <S3> I'm going to make an EEPROM that just looks at a vector table at the end of a disk and then loads that chunk of data into RAM and executes it

L922[14:01:08] <S3> super simple

L923[14:01:11] <S3> then I'll make it better later

L924[14:01:29] <gamax92> S3: om nom nom

L925[14:02:12] <S3> gamax92: ?

L926[14:02:19] <S3> gamax92: did you see what I did?

L927[14:02:30] <S3> gamax92: I made a FORTH interpreter in Lua (a new one that works better) in < 1K

L928[14:02:31] <S3> :)

L929[14:02:51] <gamax92> no

L930[14:02:52] <S3> giving you ~3K of EEPROM space for your FORTH program

L931[14:02:58] <gamax92> yes

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L933[14:03:45] <gamax92> S3: can you write a 6502 forth that works in 4K

L934[14:06:15] <S3> gamax92: I have a feeling that I could. However, I do remember that they had trouble in #redpower getting it to fit in 8K

L935[14:06:24] <S3> gamax92: it would be a lot easier on a 6502 than Lua

L936[14:06:50] <S3> because FORTH is supposed to be really low level, and with Lua you have to sort of ignore the fact that you aren't pointing at memory addresses

L937[14:07:15] <gamax92> EHBASIC is a 16K rom :/

L938[14:07:15] <S3> it isn't a very big deal, but sometimes it gets annoying if you're used to thinking that memory is one giant strand of bytes know what I mean?

L939[14:07:21] <gamax92> oh yeah

L940[14:08:25] <S3> gamax92: Interestingly enough, I read an article on FORTH for the 6502 and they were saying that using your primary working forth register in the zero page instead of in X or Y or A was faster.

L941[14:08:29] <S3> XD

L942[14:08:54] <S3> because you can do operations on the zp, it is only 8 bit addressing, AND it can be used for indirect addressing for pointers at the same time

L943[14:10:48] <S3> gamax92: is there an easy way to build a unique 8 bit checksum?

L944[14:11:07] <S3> ... not reliably. maybe 16 bit

L945[14:11:20] <S3> and I mean hash

L946[14:12:00] <S3> I was wondering gamax92 because maybe that's how component addressing should work, you hash the 64 bit address into a 16 bit number or so that will somehow be unique enough for every OC component you could ever have..

L947[14:12:27] <S3> Because I do not find fun in punching 128 bit component addresses through

L948[14:12:48] <S3> maybe this will work:

L949[14:13:14] <S3> you can access components a uuid, and tell the MMU that you want to give it a 16 bit ID

L950[14:13:17] <S3> or something

L951[14:13:22] <S3> 8 may even be enough

L952[14:13:58] <S3> 8 is enough. when will you need to access more than 256 components at a time

L953[14:15:22] <gamax92> 8 bit ID may be enough, but remember, that would conflict heavily

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L955[14:16:10] <gamax92> and then because of random component list order, if you reassign to fix conflicts then you randomly have the wrong ID's

L956[14:16:38] <S3> well if instead of hashing you would have to check on boot and talk to the MMU to set it up. you would have to make it not dependent on numbers persistently

L957[14:16:46] <S3> and somehow create a little database of components

L958[14:17:27] <S3> another method which I have not thought of until now

L959[14:17:40] <S3> is to completely hide UUIDs from you unless you ask for them, and make them unnecessary.

L960[14:18:01] <S3> the MMU internally assigns ID numbers to the devices themselves in the order they come, and can raise an IRQ when they are added or removed.

L961[14:18:20] <gamax92> an IRQ bitfield?

L962[14:18:22] <S3> and you talk to the MMU with that 8 bit id which is in order

L963[14:18:36] <S3> well the MMU can have a flags register that is exposed to main memory

L964[14:18:41] <S3> or something

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L966[14:19:05] <S3> so you can check in your IRQ vector, and a bit might mean that there was a component state change

L967[14:19:08] <gamax92> this is for mapping components into memory and all that, right?

L968[14:19:08] <S3> or something

L969[14:19:17] <S3> right

L970[14:19:58] <S3> the problem is it needs to be easy, reliable, and generic enough to work with any component

L971[14:20:16] <gamax92> the last thing doesn't need to be true

L972[14:20:27] <S3> hrm

L973[14:20:38] <gamax92> can easily just come up with custom mappings for components and then use generic if there is no mapping

L974[14:20:55] <S3> ... I have an idea.. this may work

L975[14:21:02] <gamax92> remember, components were made to work in Lua and have lua easy usage

L976[14:21:15] <S3> what if we were able to manage the MMU from a config file outside of minecraft, and define components manually?

L977[14:21:27] <S3> where they shoed up in MMU space, what functions they have, etc

L978[14:21:31] <S3> like an INF file

L979[14:21:40] <gamax92> ... no?

L980[14:21:48] <S3> when a new component is made you have to write one but this way we don't have to be generic?

L981[14:21:48] <gamax92> that sounds like an awful idea

L982[14:21:54] <S3> it is a bit evil

L983[14:22:41] <gamax92> S3: okay but here'

L984[14:22:44] <S3> the downside to this approach is that everyone's server could have a different set of configurations

L985[14:22:46] <S3> or missing components

L986[14:23:01] <S3> the location of these components to your program will not be reliable

L987[14:23:05] <S3> or their existence

L988[14:23:17] <gamax92> here's the thing, all these ways are nice and all, but how would you make an memory mapped api for this

L989[14:23:42] <gamax92> like is there 32 bytes of memory to write a name to and then you flag a bit?

L990[14:23:52] <gamax92> is there one byte of memory that you write to several times to input a name?

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L992[14:24:10] <S3> I would probably go for the way iirc the NES PPU functions worked

L993[14:24:18] <gamax92> ... what?

L994[14:24:19] <S3> where you have a bottomless byte for sending the name

L995[14:24:26] <S3> you bytebang it

L996[14:24:26] <asie> bottomless byte!

L997[14:24:26] <gamax92> ...... what?

L998[14:24:30] <S3> so here look

L999[14:24:35] <S3> to reduce memory usage

L1000[14:24:45] <S3> you have a string in memory of a function you wanted to call

L1001[14:24:56] <S3> so you load X with 0 and set your index there

L1002[14:25:25] <gamax92> bottomless byte

L1003[14:25:25] <gamax92> ?

L1004[14:25:29] <S3> and then loop and byte bang the name into the same memory address of that component to call that component's function. That is if you wanted to use the "function names". however, you could also register them to opcodes

L1005[14:25:58] <S3> but if you wanted it to be strings, I wouldn't make a giant 32 byte space for a name to put into

L1006[14:26:28] <S3> I'd just use one bute and load one character at a time then send a command to call it. of course, you still have to consider sending of arguments

L1007[14:26:30] <gamax92> you realize that inconsistent ID's per computer vs consistent names per computer.

L1008[14:26:59] <gamax92> S3 no, there wouldn't be arguments

L1009[14:27:02] <S3> well that's just part of the battle. It would be nice if the IDs would be all the same

L1010[14:27:09] <gamax92> it'd be custom mappings into mempory

L1011[14:27:24] <S3> or at least if the IDs were reliable enough that you can organize them at boot time and remember them

L1012[14:27:33] <S3> independant on the server you're on

L1013[14:28:12] <gamax92> I've thought about a super generic component thing where you'd input names, arguments, and blah blah blah, it's not practical

L1014[14:28:20] <S3> every single way I've come up with so far has huge pitfalls

L1015[14:28:42] <gamax92> asie: input is welcome btw :P

L1016[14:29:54] <S3> also

L1017[14:30:14] <S3> I can't think of any on the top of my head, but are there any component functions that require tabels for arguments?

L1018[14:30:24] <gamax92> uuuh

L1019[14:31:06] <DeanIsaKitty> Apparently there's a bit of snow in the big apple again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRv7G7WpOoU

L1020[14:31:07] <MichiBot> DeanIsaKitty: SNOWBOARDING WITH THE NYPD | length: 2m 42s | Likes: 161608 Dislikes: 754 Views: 671065 | by CaseyNeistat

L1021[14:32:34] <S3> DeanIsaKitty: lol

L1022[14:33:07] <S3> gamax92: because then you have to think about how to convert arrays that are represented in memory somehow compatible with Lua

L1023[14:33:25] <S3> and when I think of array's I just thing of *(a + b) :P

L1024[14:36:21] <S3> DeanIsaKitty: here's what you want:

L1025[14:36:25] <Izaya> damn global cooling

L1026[14:36:34] <S3> a[b] = *(a + b)

L1027[14:36:40] <S3> = *(b + a)

L1028[14:36:43] <S3> = b[a]

L1029[14:37:02] <DeanIsaKitty> S3: Proxying to gamax92

L1030[14:37:14] <S3> lol

L1031[14:37:16] <gamax92> :.

L1032[14:37:18] <gamax92> dfsd

L1033[14:37:23] <S3> Izaya: interestingly enough

L1034[14:37:29] <gamax92> I'm trying to write a robot

L1035[14:37:50] <S3> this year is an el nino which is a phenomemon that has nothing to do with global waarming, and gives New england shittons of snow

L1036[14:37:53] <S3> :P

L1037[14:38:00] <DeanIsaKitty> Izaya: You can't quite do that in Australia, can you? :P

L1038[14:38:12] <Izaya> we have sand, it has a similar effect

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L1044[14:39:53] <CompanionCube> Izaya, http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-56a524cade8215.57341403.png my emacs

L1045[14:40:03] <DeanIsaKitty> Izaya: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjigPi3aKks ?

L1046[14:40:04] <MichiBot> DeanIsaKitty: Snowmobiling at Glamis Sand Dunes 1!! | length: 1m 49s | Likes: 104 Dislikes: 31 Views: 160935 | by Ryan LaMeer

L1047[14:41:18] <DeanIsaKitty> CompanionCube: http://imgur.com/pNEwG8S my vim

L1048[14:42:19] <Izaya> http://i.imgur.com/sOqqA6F.png my boring but functional vim

L1049[14:42:23] <S3> looks liek my emacs

L1050[14:42:23] <S3> :P

L1051[14:42:30] <CompanionCube> which

L1052[14:43:04] <S3> CompanionCube: is that wombat?

L1053[14:43:10] <DeanIsaKitty> CompanionCube: Whats the startup time on emacs btw?

L1054[14:43:24] <CompanionCube> DeanIsaKitty, best way to measure it?

L1055[14:43:28] <CompanionCube> S3, is what wombat?

L1056[14:43:32]

<Mimiru> corded is fixed again..

L1057[14:43:33] <S3> that theme

L1058[14:43:41] <CompanionCube> for the modeline or the main text area/

L1059[14:43:43] <CompanionCube> ?

L1060[14:43:51] <S3> asie: yeah we do definately need reliable component memory mapping

L1061[14:44:08] <DeanIsaKitty> CompanionCube: I'm just doing `time vim test.c +wq` because that initializes the most plugins for me.

L1062[14:44:12] <S3> because gamax92 and I are running out of ideas

L1063[14:44:26] <CompanionCube> the modeline colours/theme is spaceline with some tweaked faces

L1064[14:44:55] <CompanionCube> the colours of the tweaked faces were inspired by my zsh theme/config

L1065[14:45:58] <asie> Sangar: any news on TIS-CapabiliD?

L1066[14:46:42] <CompanionCube> S3, if you want I'll push the latest version of my .emacs.d to github

L1067[14:47:16] <Sangar> asie, not yet, but i have async mesh baking in my side project now, so i guess this is a good time to take a break from that :P

L1068[14:47:48] <Sangar> asie, where can i get a charset to test with, and which forge version do i want to upgrade to (if any)?

L1069[14:48:00] <asie> Sangar: forge at least 1718

L1070[14:48:08] <asie> wait

L1071[14:48:10] <asie> side project?

L1072[14:48:10] <S3> !!!

L1073[14:48:18] <S3> Sangar may also have suggestions

L1074[14:48:41] <gamax92> Sangar: The Experience Upgrade says it can increase storage capacity, is this worth it over a Battery?

L1075[14:49:08] <asie> Sangar: http://asie.pl/Charset-0.2tis-deobf.jar

L1076[14:49:15] <Sangar> the unity thing

L1077[14:49:16] <Sangar> thanks

L1078[14:49:40] <Sangar> gamax92, can't remember precisely, iirc yes tho

L1079[14:49:42] <Kodos> gamax92: I would assume it depends on what you have the robot doing

L1080[14:49:50] <gamax92> mining a lot

L1081[14:49:54] <Kodos> Then yeah

L1082[14:50:44] <Izaya> http://i.imgur.com/TLwjcwG.png

L1083[14:51:45] <CompanionCube> DeanIsaKitty, \emacs --eval "(kill-emacs)" 5.26s user 0.32s system 69% cpu 8.038 total

L1084[14:52:07] <asie> Sangar: you should just be able to getCapability(IBundledEmitter capability, side)

L1085[14:52:08] <CompanionCube> but that includes spawning the GUI frame

L1086[14:52:17] <asie> it will automatically do the Math.max()ing for you :D

L1087[14:52:19] <Kodos> asie control panels when =D

L1088[14:52:22] <asie> Kodos: D=

L1089[14:53:07] <Kodos> Also, Sangar, while you're here, any chance we could get a boolean setting for 3D prints on whether the redstone signal is 'strong' or not

L1090[14:53:12] <CompanionCube> \emacs -nw --eval "(kill-emacs)" 4.70s user 0.12s system 69% cpu 6.968 total

L1091[14:53:13] <Kodos> I can't use a print as a door lever

L1092[14:53:59] <Sangar> allright, sDecW done, let's see...

L1093[14:55:03] <DeanIsaKitty> CompanionCube: Ok, cool thanks

L1094[14:55:04] <Sangar> bleh, strong redstone is annoying, needs manual block updates :X eh. idk. make an issue as a reminder i guess.

L1095[14:55:11] <CompanionCube> DeanIsaKitty, although

L1096[14:55:31] <CompanionCube> normal emacs terminal usage is much faster because I use systemd to run a background emacs daemon

L1097[14:55:54] <DeanIsaKitty> Wait what? Emacs has a background deamon??

L1098[14:56:07] <CompanionCube> yes

L1099[14:56:43] <DeanIsaKitty> oh

L1100[14:56:47] <CompanionCube> not enabled by default, but if it's explicitly started from the command line (--daemon) or from elisp using the server-start function

L1101[14:57:21] <CompanionCube> then you can use emacsclient to connect to a running emacs daemon

L1102[14:58:31] <CompanionCube> emacsclient --eval "(kill-emacs)" 0.00s user 0.00s system 0% cpu 0.107 total

L1103[14:58:43] <CompanionCube> followed by systemd restarting the daemon

L1104[15:00:09] <CompanionCube> DeanIsaKitty, got all that?

L1105[15:00:38] <DeanIsaKitty> Yes

L1106[15:02:07] <Sangar> asie, tried to understand what you wrote earlier but don't :X where's this 'hasCapability' you mentioned?

L1107[15:02:26] <asie> in the TileEntity

L1108[15:02:28] <asie> TileEntity.hasCapability()

L1109[15:02:36] <asie> you must be on a relatively recent Forge

L1110[15:02:36] <Sangar> ahhh

L1111[15:02:44] <Sangar> too obvious

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L1113[15:03:59] <Sangar> null is still 'center' for freestanding wires?

L1114[15:04:02] <DeanIsaKitty> CompanionCube: Do you still have your atom installed?

L1115[15:04:07] <CompanionCube> no

L1116[15:04:10] <DeanIsaKitty> Ok

L1117[15:04:33] <CompanionCube> in hindsight, one of atom's bugs may have helped to steer me away from it

L1118[15:04:41] <CompanionCube> and towards vim/emacs

L1119[15:06:02] <DeanIsaKitty> CompanionCube: What did drive you away?

L1120[15:06:34] <CompanionCube> DeanIsaKitty, startup times as well as https://github.com/atom/atom/issues/8418

L1121[15:08:04] <S3> btw

L1122[15:08:06] <DeanIsaKitty> CompanionCube: Heh, figures

L1123[15:08:09] <CompanionCube> Atom's a good editor, it'd be even better though if it could run in my Firefox without spawning a chromium renderer

L1124[15:08:17] <S3> how is the ARM thumb OC project?

L1125[15:08:34] <DeanIsaKitty> S3: Which one? There are like three people doing ARM stuffs

L1126[15:08:52] <S3> I dunno

L1127[15:08:55] <CompanionCube> DeanIsaKitty, I've had weirder errors

L1128[15:08:56] <S3> which one is the best?

L1129[15:09:02] <S3> there's many ARM chips out there

L1130[15:09:06] <CompanionCube> One of which particularly interesting

L1131[15:09:25] <DeanIsaKitty> CompanionCube: I just don't agree with your statement that atom is a good editor. :)

L1132[15:09:38] <CompanionCube> DeanIsaKitty, my weirdest related error so far

L1133[15:09:43] <Kodos> I only want strong signals because otherwise iron doors don't close when you shut the print 'off'

L1134[15:09:49] <CompanionCube> has been when I canceled Andoird Studio's setup wizard

L1135[15:09:59] <Kodos> In certain cases

L1136[15:10:04] <CompanionCube> and Enlightenment began to exhibit panel rendering issues before segfaulting

L1137[15:10:07] <gamax92> Sangar: is it posssible to get the durability of a robot's tool instead of it being an arbitrary percentage?

L1138[15:10:46] <DeanIsaKitty> CompanionCube: Why does your WM/DE segfault if you do *anything*? Why do people use software that segfaults under normal use?

L1139[15:10:50] <S3> this one is dead: https://oc.cil.li/index.php?/topic/572-mc1710oc15xarm-architecture-extremely-alpha/

L1140[15:11:28] <CompanionCube> DeanIsaKitty, it's likely some form of race condition considering it wasn't reproducible under valgrind

L1141[15:11:51] <Inari> wouldnt a "max" function ( max(a,b) => retunr is the bigger number) in arm7 basically bel ike... cmp r0, r1 movlt r0, r1 mov pc, lr ?

L1142[15:12:10] <CompanionCube> other than that it doesn't tend to segfault

L1143[15:12:51] <DeanIsaKitty> Doesn't tend to? I accidentaly remapped part of Xlib while running my WM and it didn't segfault <.<

L1144[15:13:32] <CompanionCube> by doesn't tend to I mean 'I can't remember the last time it happened'

L1145[15:13:43] <Sangar> oh nvm

L1146[15:14:35] * CompanionCube has blamed segfaults in the path on the fact that modules are shared libraries and as such can take down the entire process

L1147[15:16:04] <greaser|q> oooh we're talking about arm

L1148[15:16:06] <greaser|q> arm is fun

L1149[15:16:15] <CompanionCube> a lisp arch would be nice

L1150[15:16:36] <gamax92> TIS-3D arch for OC ;3

L1151[15:16:49] <greaser|q> or just TIS-3D arch for TIS-3D

L1152[15:17:17] <greaser|q> it's amusing how you're talking about ARM while i'm making an ARM emulator purely so i can implement a possible GPU microcode

L1153[15:17:39] <CompanionCube> DeanIsaKitty, what do you think of guix/nix?

L1154[15:17:42] <greaser|q> the point of the microcode is so you can send smaller packets down the wire and have them decoded

L1155[15:17:58] <S3> hm

L1156[15:18:13] <S3> so it does look like there has been some experimentation besides gamax92's 6502 and ARM

L1157[15:18:25] <S3> I wonder if anyone ever made a decent z80 or even better z180

L1158[15:18:33] <greaser|q> right now i'm just setting up gcc for ARM, binutils took 45 seconds to build, i expect gcc to take 45 hours

L1159[15:18:42] <S3> the z180 was awesome

L1160[15:18:51] <greaser|q> also i have made Z80 emulators before, the most success i've had was modifying a broken one to work

L1161[15:18:58] <greaser|q> Z80's actually bloody horrible to emulate

L1162[15:18:59] <S3> lol

L1163[15:19:07] <S3> yes it's kinda weird

L1164[15:19:11] <greaser|q> if anyone tells you otherwise, mention bits 3 and 5 of the flags

L1165[15:19:14] <S3> z180 is probably even harder

L1166[15:19:21] <greaser|q> even without factoring those in it's still horrible

L1167[15:20:23] <greaser|q> also i'm really hoping gcc 5.3.0 fixes the buildchain bug where if you try to make a C++ cross-compiler it just tells you that it can't run the executables it makes

L1168[15:20:29] <DeanIsaKitty> CompanionCube: Hurd is useless :)

L1169[15:20:33] <S3> wait what?

L1170[15:20:39] <S3> what's wrong with bits 3 and 5?

L1171[15:20:51] <CompanionCube> DeanIsaKitty, Hurd 1.0 will be released approximately never

L1172[15:20:52] <S3> implementing that sounds quite trivial

L1173[15:20:59] <CompanionCube> but GuixSD is an actual real, working thing

L1174[15:22:07] <greaser|q> S3: worst case: BIT n,(Ix/y + d) gets the values from an undocumented temporary register

L1175[15:22:16] <S3> heh

L1176[15:22:25] <greaser|q> also, sometimes bits 3 and 5 come from bits 3 and 5 of a result, sometimes it's from bits 3 and 1

L1177[15:22:33] <S3> I'm not quite sure why anyone would need those flags really

L1178[15:22:36] <greaser|q> sometimes they get mangled in transit e.g. INIR/OTIR

L1179[15:22:49] <greaser|q> S3: because that's what the Z80 does and it pays to be accurate

L1180[15:22:50] <asie> S3: there's probably some demo out there which uses them

L1181[15:22:54] <S3> you know one of my professors was working at zilog when they were rolling these chips out?

L1182[15:22:59] <DeanIsaKitty> CompanionCube: It has absolutely nothing working for it. There's no advantage of using Guix over any Distro.

L1183[15:23:01] <greaser|q> there's at least one game that relies on them being accurate

L1184[15:23:12] <S3> maybe you should ask him what they were thinking :P

L1185[15:23:14] <greaser|q> if they're unemulated the monsters only go in one direction

L1186[15:23:26] <greaser|q> S3: maybe you should because you're the one who knows him

L1187[15:23:41] <S3> greaser|q: his friend at zilog is the guy who founded xilinx.

L1188[15:23:52] <greaser|q> oooh nice

L1189[15:23:55] <S3> yeah

L1190[15:24:13] <S3> we talk quite a bit after class, he's a pretty cool guy

L1191[15:24:48] <S3> I'm currently working on creating a PCB board for either a 6502 or an msp430

L1192[15:25:07] <S3> so that I can port forth to it and put it in one of the weather baloons for our class

L1193[15:25:15] <S3> the idea is;

L1194[15:25:32] <S3> you dial the weather baloon with your laptop or so via a tnc on a radio

L1195[15:25:38] <S3> then it drops you into a FORTH REPL

L1196[15:25:42] <CompanionCube> DeanIsaKitty, so what about something very smilar to this? https://nixos.org/nixos/screenshots/nixos-grub.png

L1197[15:25:50] <greaser|q> 6502 isn't terribly hard to emulate, i'd rather emulate that than a Z80

L1198[15:25:53] <S3> and from there you get all the nifties of forth, but also a bunch of words for reading things like pressure and temp sensors, etc

L1199[15:26:01] <greaser|q> ooh nice

L1200[15:26:03] <S3> greaser|q: gamax92 has a working 6502 arch

L1201[15:26:04] <S3> for oc

L1202[15:26:15] <greaser|q> ah awesome, so it *is* possible

L1203[15:26:18] <S3> but we are banging our heads on it

L1204[15:26:27] <S3> the problem is, and we would love your input

L1205[15:26:37] <S3> is that we can't find a good way to map components into memory and call functions

L1206[15:26:40] <DeanIsaKitty> YT allows me to tell it that I don't give the slightest of fucks about LinusTechTips. Fucking finally! \o/

L1207[15:26:41] <gamax92> interfacing with components and signals in a practical way

L1208[15:26:42] <S3> in a generic way

L1209[15:26:49] <gamax92> S3 FUCKING HELL

L1210[15:26:53] <S3> lol

L1211[15:26:57] <gamax92> stop with the generic shit

L1212[15:27:07] <S3> I did that to grab your attention

L1213[15:27:08] <S3> :D

L1214[15:27:10] <S3> but yeah what he said

L1215[15:27:15] <DeanIsaKitty> generic everything~

L1216[15:27:48] <Inari> ComponentGeneric<InterfaceGeneric<AbstractSimpleInterfaceImplementation<[....]

L1217[15:27:57] <Kodos> sudo

L1218[15:27:59] * Kodos shrugs

L1219[15:28:00] <greaser|q> are there nedocomputers interfaces for all the components?

L1220[15:28:00] <S3> greaserbasically two problems

L1221[15:28:11] <Kodos> I thought Nedo was dead

L1222[15:28:11] <S3> what is a nedocomputer

L1223[15:28:33] <CompanionCube> Inari, I see that

L1224[15:28:36] <S3> oh that

L1225[15:28:36] <DeanIsaKitty> Inari: use a proper language already! xP

L1226[15:28:42] <CompanionCube> and I raise you a AbstractSingletonProxyFactoryBean

L1227[15:28:54] <greaser|q> some weirdass computer mod that has a much rawer component API

L1228[15:28:58] <greaser|q> OSLT

L1229[15:29:05] <S3> huh.

L1230[15:29:06] <greaser|q> i've never used it, i've just read computronics docs

L1231[15:29:14] <asie> greaser|q: NedoComputers is 6502 the mod

L1232[15:29:15] <Inari> DeanIsaKitty: like what

L1233[15:29:17] <asie> or rather not

L1234[15:29:18] <gamax92> ~w fs

L1235[15:29:18] <asie> it uses the J1 FORTH CPU

L1236[15:29:19] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:filesystem

L1237[15:29:22] <asie> which is obscure

L1238[15:29:24] <asie> but it's very buggy

L1239[15:29:31] <asie> but yeah uh nedocomputers rip

L1240[15:29:31] <greaser|q> ah righty

L1241[15:29:32] <S3> lol forth cpu

L1242[15:29:51] <DeanIsaKitty> Inari: A language that is build to emphasize polymorphism. Haskell, Scala, Rust, ... <.<

L1243[15:29:53] <greaser|q> either way you could come up with some form of PCI-like mapping

L1244[15:29:55] <S3> did they use it to create a C interpreter in Forth? :P

L1245[15:29:56] <Inari> the only propoer language is the machine language for your target platform

L1246[15:30:12] <greaser|q> except use, say, 16 or 32 bytes for the component type ID

L1247[15:30:28] <greaser|q> if you've ever used PCI you'll notice that it's fantastic

L1248[15:30:37] <S3> I always stayed away from PCI

L1249[15:30:40] <greaser|q> if you think it's awful, try ISA-PnP, that's genuinely horrible

L1250[15:30:46] <asie> the component type ID is already 16 bytes

L1251[15:30:49] <asie> wait, not type

L1252[15:30:51] <S3> greaser|q: mapping is only half the battle

L1253[15:30:53] <greaser|q> not only do you have to bit-bang, you have to delay properly

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L1255[15:31:06] <S3> greaser|q: not only do you have top be able to map components

L1256[15:31:17] <S3> but you have to be able to call its functions and reliably pass arguments to them

L1257[15:31:49] <greaser|q> another alternative is to have a built in network-card-esque thing

L1258[15:32:22] <S3> I don't think thatl make a difference

L1259[15:32:34] <Kodos> Can't wait for Wednesday

L1260[15:32:39] <S3> considering the idea is to build an MMU to map these, wether it is a card or not

L1261[15:32:41] <greaser|q> form a packet, write the address to a 16-bit MMIO register, write the length to another 16-bit MMIO register, write a start command or some shit like that

L1262[15:32:41] <DeanIsaKitty> Kodos: ?

L1263[15:32:48] <Kodos> Mum gets back from Hawaii

L1264[15:32:51] <Kodos> Been gone almost 2 weeks

L1265[15:32:52] <DeanIsaKitty> Ah

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L1267[15:33:35] <greaser|q> CPU is virtually halted while the packet is read, then you can read a 16-bit MMIO register to get the expected length, and then have a command to read the result

L1268[15:33:57] <greaser|q> checking for shl_load... configure: error: Link tests are not allowed after GCC_NO_EXECUTABLES.

L1269[15:34:19] <greaser|q> ^ this buildchain bug is way too fucking old and it should have been fixed by now - this is gcc 5.3.0, latest version

L1270[15:34:22] <S3> greaser|q: we still have the issue of how we serialize between lua datatypes and vice versa

L1271[15:34:29] <S3> in a practical way

L1272[15:34:56] <S3> for example

L1273[15:35:02] <S3> what if a function we want to call wants a table

L1274[15:35:13] <S3> or worse

L1275[15:35:18] <S3> a table of table of tables

L1276[15:35:49]

<FatalDistraction> Dude, you're getting too deep into the thought-zone for me.

L1277[15:35:57] <S3> lol

L1278[15:36:01] <DeanIsaKitty> Who's that now? ^

L1279[15:36:15] <greaser|q> could basically have a hardware API to some of the Lua API

L1280[15:36:28]

<FatalDistraction> Anyone here familiar with the Inventory Controller API?

L1281[15:36:39] <S3> greaser|q: I\ thought of this, except that lua tables are NOT in memory arrays

L1282[15:36:48] <S3> it gets fugly

L1283[15:36:57] <S3> and not every element has to be the same size

L1284[15:37:07] <S3> they are more like structures without structure

L1285[15:37:10] <greaser|q> memory arrays can be loaded into a secondary arg stack when forming the lua stack

L1286[15:37:31] <greaser|q> so you'd push your string into there using a few MMIO registers and a command

L1287[15:37:31] <S3> non list like tables can certainly be resembled as structs

L1288[15:37:55] <greaser|q> or just push them onto the lua stack and have a few extra functions to read the strings and whatnot off it

L1289[15:38:31] <S3> lol

L1290[15:38:42] <S3> if we went evil and did the INF like files gamax92 we could have it parse OCDOC

L1291[15:38:43] <S3> :P

L1292[15:38:46] <S3> and generate them

L1293[15:38:51] <S3> super evil :D

L1294[15:38:59] <greaser|q> basically, in C: L_ADDR = &buf; L_SIZE = strlen(&buf); L_CMD = CMD_PUSH_STRING;

L1295[15:40:51] <greaser|q> and to read: L_CMD = CMD_TO_STRING; xbuf = alloc_buffer(L_SIZE); L_ADDR = xbuf; L_CMD = CMD_META_PULL_STRING;

L1296[15:43:20] <S3> could just place a pointer to a struct somewhere with the arguments to the IOMMU

L1297[15:43:34] <S3> if it was persistent enough

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L1299[15:45:01] <Kodos> Huh, there are quite a few nicks that you would think were registered but are not

L1300[15:45:12] <S3> struct copo_op { uint_128 uuid, ... }

L1301[15:45:42] <S3> and that's supposed to be a ;

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L1303[15:46:44] <S3> hmm, nvm that

L1304[15:47:56] <S3> so greaser|q why a 16 bit register in the IOMMU?

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L1306[15:53:19] <greaser|q> S3: 16-bit register is so you can basically DMA any string data you need

L1307[15:53:27] <greaser|q> do you know how the lua stack works?

L1308[15:55:17] <gamax92> oh jeez, energy costs :/

L1309[15:55:32] <gamax92> I have to factor that into my program now that we actually have power mods on our server

L1310[15:56:01] <S3> IMA?

L1311[15:56:13] <S3> greaser|q: yes, variably

L1312[15:56:19] <S3> I've used Lua's C API before

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L1314[15:56:45] <greaser|q> basically all you need to do is provide access to that and some way to pass strings between the CPU and the stack

L1315[15:56:53] <greaser|q> and a way to execute commands

L1316[15:57:09] <greaser|q> in order to access things in there you can push a string and then use lua_gettable

L1317[15:57:21] <greaser|q> you'd also have another MMIO reg to provide an index for that

L1318[15:57:53] <S3> controlling the lua stack from 6502? :P

L1319[15:58:14] <gamax92> umm

L1320[15:58:22] <gamax92> There is no Lua stack

L1321[15:58:25] <gamax92> there is no Lua

L1322[15:58:34] <gamax92> on the 6502 arch it's just a 6502

L1323[15:58:35] * Mimiru stacks Lua on gamax92

L1324[15:58:57] <gamax92> I guess if you want to make a virtual stack??

L1325[16:01:24] <greaser|q> gamax92: if you don't know about the lua stack then clearly you haven't use the lua c api

L1326[16:01:35] <greaser|q> it's a stack for the C API to interface the VM

L1327[16:01:39] <gamax92> greaser|q: No I'm saying how is this relevant,

L1328[16:02:00] <greaser|q> because i get the feeling that the way that you call components is to use the lua stack

L1329[16:02:10] <gamax92> there is no lua stack, lua isn't running

L1330[16:02:27] <greaser|q> then you can emulate the interface or something like that

L1331[16:02:55] <greaser|q> although if it needs a table, erm... you'd have to provide some form of DMA

L1332[16:03:00] <Sangar> asie, which mcmp?

L1333[16:03:26] <gamax92> greaser|q: the mmu I have in mind at the minimal would have memory copying and compacting/uncompacting features

L1334[16:03:50] <asie> Sangar: 1.0.5 works but is a bit wonky

L1335[16:03:51] <gamax92> compacting/uncompacting being read one address X times and and spread it out over >Y

L1336[16:04:13] <gamax92> or read X bytes from Y to Y+X-1 and write it at address Z several times

L1337[16:04:21] <asie> i use http://asie.pl/mcmp105deobf.jar

L1338[16:04:26] <Sangar> thanks

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L1344[16:06:33] <gamax92> Sangar :|

L1345[16:06:43] <gamax92> Why does the geolyzer have to use floats for distance

L1346[16:08:43] <Izaya> The J1 CPU looks cool

L1347[16:08:52] <Kodos> #lua return 64 ^ 4

L1348[16:08:52] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 16777216.0

L1349[16:10:00] <vifino> Izaya: What does it do?

L1350[16:11:08] <Sangar> asie, it's working \o/ on the first start. i'm scared.

L1351[16:11:54] <Kodos> You know the rules, if it works the first time, there's something wrong that needs fixed

L1352[16:12:09] <asie> Sangar: great!

L1353[16:13:45] <Sangar> build is up, 0.8.3

L1354[16:14:32] <Sangar> gamax92, idk, reasons?

L1355[16:22:14] <_habnabit> oc doesn't support https, right?

L1356[16:23:03] <Sangar> yes it does

L1357[16:24:22] <S3> why wouldn't it?

L1358[16:24:42] <_habnabit> oh, it does?

L1359[16:24:46] <Sangar> not to be confused with ssl via *tcp sockets*, which is indeed not implemented

L1360[16:24:51] <_habnabit> right

L1361[16:24:53] <gamax92> Sangar: and should be

L1362[16:24:55] <gamax92> :D

L1363[16:24:59] <Sangar> go for it :P

L1364[16:25:06] <gamax92> I'm writing a mining robot

L1365[16:25:19] <Sangar> good

L1366[16:25:22]

<FatalDistraction> How would I utilize ECC (ECDHE) using the T3 Data Card?

L1367[16:25:33] <Sangar> because mine's derpy and i'm too lazy to figure out why :X

L1368[16:25:47] <gamax92> I asked about the float thing because I'm seeing if I can integrate the geolyzer noise algorithm into my scans

L1369[16:26:36] <gamax92> which ... might not be a good idea, considering scans take up energy ...

L1370[16:26:36] <_habnabit> oh, it uses java.net.URL.openConnection

L1371[16:26:45] <_habnabit> ok that makes sense then

L1372[16:26:57] <_habnabit> i just remember reading over the tcp code and not seeing any tls, so

L1373[16:27:10] <gamax92> I guess I could always just ask it to recharge itself after doing the scans.

L1374[16:28:23] <gamax92> ... no I can't, the robot has to be off doesn't it

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L1376[16:29:02] <Inari> it has to?

L1377[16:29:23] <gamax92> I've never used energy before :P

L1378[16:29:24] <_habnabit> also i wonder if there's any nacl/libsodium for java 'cause box/secretbox would be way better than anything already on data cards........

L1379[16:29:28] <gamax92> no clue how any of this works

L1380[16:29:38] <Inari> Sangar: derpy how?

L1381[16:30:22] <Inari> Sangar: oh yours isnt even on openprogams xD

L1382[16:30:24] <Sangar> Inari, in specific configurations when returning screws up the location it thinks it's at by one

L1383[16:30:29] <Sangar> isn't it? idk

L1384[16:30:31] <Sangar> it's on github

L1385[16:30:45] <Inari> ah yeah

L1386[16:31:02] <Sangar> ftr http://git.io/vkghl that one

L1387[16:31:07] <Sangar> if someone wants to fix it :P

L1388[16:31:43] <Inari> local left = false, local right = not left

L1389[16:31:45] <Inari> somehow i find that amusing

L1390[16:32:05] <Sangar> me too :3

L1391[16:34:29] <Izaya> It took me too long to realise I could do x = not x

L1392[16:35:05] <Inari> Sangar: but it thinks distanceToOrigin is 0 even though it shoudl be 1?

L1393[16:36:07] <Sangar> idk, iirc when going back into a main shaft it sometimes went down once too often or something like that

L1394[16:36:10] <Sangar> been too long :X

L1395[16:36:33] <Inari> i really need to write that lua debugger i wanted to write

L1396[16:36:33] <Inari> :p

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L1400[16:46:05] <gamax92> Sangar: yes this is easy

L1401[16:46:50] <gamax92> if current_minimum + maximum_difference < target, it cannot possibly be the target

L1402[16:47:05] <gamax92> and current_maximum - maximum_difference > target, it cannot possibly be the target

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L1404[16:47:43] <gamax92> for all the geolyzer scans closest to the robot that should save down on stuff

L1405[16:48:07] <Inari> i still also need to code my chromaticraft dungoen detection with drone :P

L1406[16:48:25] * vifino picks up Lizzy and carries her to bed

L1407[16:48:59] <Inari> lewd!

L1408[16:49:21] <gamax92> lewd~

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L1411[16:51:19] <vifino> wat

L1412[16:52:12] * Inari picks up gamax92 and vifino and throws them into bed wiht Lizzy

L1413[16:52:28] <vifino> ...

L1414[16:52:37] * gamax92 gets out of bed and goes back to mining robot

L1415[16:52:42] <Inari> lol

L1416[16:52:45] <Corded> * FatalDistraction Picks up bed and throws it to Inari

L1417[16:52:46] <Inari> "mining" eh

L1418[16:52:50] <Inari> thats what you call it now

L1419[16:53:09] * Inari is way too bored

L1420[16:53:16] <gamax92> Inari: if you really want to be lewd, the mining robot's name is Icarus

L1421[16:53:26] <Corded> * FatalDistraction Needs to figure out how ECC works

L1422[16:53:29] <Inari> im not sure how thats lewd

L1423[16:53:34] <gamax92> Inari: exactly

L1424[16:53:54] <Inari> @FatalDistraction: via an ECC library :D

L1425[16:53:56] <gamax92> that was the point, good job you're IQ am more bigger then 42

L1426[16:54:19]

<FatalDistraction> @Inari Public keys and private keys confuse me ?

L1427[16:54:23] <Inari> meh im not sure what to really do xD

L1428[16:54:33] <g> pub/privkeys are easy

L1429[16:54:40] <g> just think of them like a padlock and the key to it

L1430[16:54:40] <Inari> @FatalDistraction: well thats not necessarily ECC but public key cryptography :P

L1431[16:54:46]

<FatalDistraction> I'm just trying to figure out how to encrypt the 256-byte Data section of the EEPROM

L1432[16:54:51] <g> pubkey is your padlock, privkey is the key to the padlock

L1433[16:55:02] <g> eh, well, not like that

L1434[16:55:04] <Inari> or vice versa

L1435[16:55:15] <g> Inari, well no

L1436[16:55:21] <Inari> why not? :p

L1437[16:55:22] <g> the pubkey can never be the key to the padlock

L1438[16:55:30] <Inari> if you encryp twiht privkey it shoudl be?

L1439[16:55:35] <g> that's kind of the point of the pubkey

L1440[16:55:38] <g> nope, the privkey is still the key

L1441[16:55:45] <Inari> that is

L1442[16:55:54] <g> the privkey just contains the pubkey as well

L1443[16:56:00] <Inari> if you encrypt wiht privkey you decrypt wiht pubkey, if you encrypt wiht pubkey you decrypt with privkey

L1444[16:56:00] <g> you're actually still using the pubkey

L1445[16:56:01] <g> :P

L1446[16:56:19] <g> that sounds like some weird implementation

L1447[16:56:19] <Inari> or thats in RSA at least :P mabye its diff in ECC

L1448[16:56:42] <g> it doesn't make sense to me really

L1449[16:56:47] <Inari> why not?

L1450[16:56:52] <g> because it's not something you want to rely on

L1451[16:56:53] <g> brb

L1452[16:56:59] <Inari> in what way?

L1453[16:57:14]

<FatalDistraction> So anyway, my end goal is to encrypt a floppy/HDD, then make it so that it isn't readable unless you have a key that's stored on the EEPROM, and the EEPROM is locked with a password.

L1454[16:57:51] <CompanionCube> encryption is difficult when the owner / admin of the server has ultimate power to copy and modify your data at any given time

L1455[16:58:21]

<FatalDistraction> I just want to make sure that my OS can't be broken into, or read by anyone who doesn't have the password to the system.

L1456[16:58:26] <CompanionCube> also, since you can't hide program code it's even harder

L1457[16:58:41] <gamax92> since when can EEPROMs be locked with a password

L1458[16:58:59] <greaser|q> you can encrypt the key and have a hash for it

L1459[16:59:04]

<FatalDistraction> ^

L1460[16:59:20]

<FatalDistraction> There's the Code section, and the Data section

L1461[16:59:35] <g> Inari, okay, let's say we're trying to set up some encrypted comms

L1462[16:59:39]

<FatalDistraction> Code storage is 4KB, Data is 256B

L1463[16:59:40] <gamax92> EEPROMs don't having password locking functionality?

L1464[16:59:42] <g> I'll send you my public key

L1465[16:59:59]

<FatalDistraction> They do not gamaz

L1466[17:00:02]

<FatalDistraction> *gamax

L1467[17:00:04] <g> under no circumstances will I encrypt data and send it to you in a way that you can decrypt it with that public key

L1468[17:00:06]

<FatalDistraction> I'm making one.

L1469[17:00:11] <gamax92> how.

L1470[17:00:13] <gamax92> ;)

L1471[17:00:19] <g> instead you'd send me your public key and I'd use that

L1472[17:00:20] <CompanionCube> the eeprom is only 4k bytes

L1473[17:00:22] <g> now why do you think that is?

L1474[17:00:22] <Inari> privkey 2753, pubkey 17, modulus 3233 => 50^17 mod 3233 = 538 encrypted pubkey, decryp twith privkey: 538^2753 mod 3233 = 50 //// 50^2753 mod 3233 = 1270 encrypted with privkey, decrypt with pubkey: 1270^17 mod 3233 = 50

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L1476[17:00:44] <Kodos> wat

L1477[17:00:50]

<FatalDistraction> @CompanionCube EEPROM Code storage is 4KB, but there's a Data section that holds 256 bytes

L1478[17:01:12] <Inari> g: well you will for signing

L1479[17:01:55] <g> signing is different

L1480[17:01:59] <Inari> sure

L1481[17:02:04] <Inari> but its still pbukeys and privkeys

L1482[17:02:10] <g> you can't securely use a public key as a closely-held secret decryption key.

L1483[17:02:17]

<FatalDistraction> Alright, let's get this clear. How do I encrypt a string with a password.

L1484[17:02:26] <Inari> well i can encrypt something with your pubkey

L1485[17:02:31] <Inari> and know only you can decrypt it

L1486[17:02:36] <g> not quite.

L1487[17:02:39] <DeanIsaKitty> Fatal, by encrypting it with some algorithm

L1488[17:02:46] <g> http://rdist.root.org/2007/05/01/rsa-public-keys-are-not-private/

L1489[17:03:06] <Inari> of course tehy arent, thats the point

L1490[17:03:08] <greaser|q> you could possibly use RC4 to encrypt and then do a hash

L1491[17:03:10]

<FatalDistraction> :/

L1492[17:03:24] <DeanIsaKitty> g, RSA is not the only encryption out there :)

L1493[17:03:25] <greaser|q> if the hash of the decrypted data fails then it's probably not decrypted correctly

L1494[17:03:33] <g> DeanIsaKitty, yeah, but we're talking about RSA

L1495[17:03:33] <DeanIsaKitty> greaser|q: Please don't use RC4 <.<

L1496[17:03:40] <gamax92> #lua 0.1207*0.99

L1497[17:03:40] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 0.119493

L1498[17:03:41] <greaser|q> why not?

L1499[17:03:42] <Inari> g: point is, if i use your pubkey to encrypt it

L1500[17:03:45]

<FatalDistraction> Supported methods are sha256, ecdh, and md5

L1501[17:03:48] <Inari> the only thing that decrypt it is your privkey

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L1503[17:03:57] <greaser|q> it's simple and it's probably secure enough

L1504[17:04:01] <DeanIsaKitty> greaser|q: Because its insecure af and there are simpler, faster and smaller algorithms

L1505[17:04:01] <Inari> if you use your privkey to encrypt it, the only thing that decrypts it is your pubkey

L1506[17:04:07] <gamax92> those are hashing functions not encryption functions

L1507[17:04:13] <gamax92> @FatalDistraction

L1508[17:04:19]

<FatalDistraction> I know.

L1509[17:04:20] <g> Inari, it's fairly trivial to work out what was encrypted that way

L1510[17:04:34] <g> you can derive the public key

L1511[17:04:36] <g> http://rdist.root.org/2007/05/03/rsa-public-keys-are-not-private-implementation/

L1512[17:04:39] <greaser|q> DeanIsaKitty: you seem to be mistaking it for straight-up one-byte XOR

L1513[17:04:40] <g> here's an implementation

L1514[17:04:44] <DeanIsaKitty> greaser|q: No.

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L1517[17:04:56] <greaser|q> how is it insecure "as fuck"

L1518[17:05:09] <greaser|q> yes, it's prone to bit flipping attacks - that's why you use this thing called a hash

L1519[17:05:42] <g> greaser|q: it does seem to have quite a few problems

L1520[17:05:43] <g> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RC4#Security

L1521[17:05:48] <g> I'd say it'd be fine if used correctly though

L1522[17:05:58] <greaser|q> if you want to screw up a known plaintext attack you could use deflate

L1523[17:06:21] <DeanIsaKitty> greaser|q: Key generation is kinda deterministic i.e

L1524[17:06:32]

<FatalDistraction> Okay, I've pretty much established that encryption is really not what I need, but hashing.

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L1526[17:06:44] <DeanIsaKitty> Fatal, wat? >.<

L1527[17:06:52] <g> the only way I can see this crypto being possible is via the crypto blocks in computronics

L1528[17:06:59] <g> anything else wouldn't fit on the eeprom

L1529[17:07:01] <greaser|q> you need both - encryption to keep it hidden, and hashing to ensure you get the right result

L1530[17:07:50] <DeanIsaKitty> g: You could probably implement some basic crypto premises in 4K, but just barely so there won't be much space left.

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L1532[17:08:08] <g> yeah, like you'd have to just have a wget left to download an installer or something lol

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L1536[17:08:14] <DeanIsaKitty> Unless you use RSA then its only a question of how much space your big integer lib uses

L1537[17:08:19]

<FatalDistraction> Okay. So, assuming that I have a hash located on the Data section, and a salt located on the Code section, could it be decoded without a password?

L1538[17:08:33] <DeanIsaKitty> Hash per definition are one way only.

L1539[17:08:46] <g> yeah, there's no decrypting a hash

L1540[17:08:54] <g> it's just for verification

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L1542[17:08:57]

<FatalDistraction> I'm insanely confused at the moment.

L1543[17:09:03] <g> you have a known hash that you check against your encrypted data

L1544[17:09:07] <DeanIsaKitty> Fatal, we can see that.

L1545[17:09:09] <g> to ensure it actually decrypted right

L1546[17:09:21] <g> decryption doesn't "fail", you just get garbage data

L1547[17:09:23] <g> so you have to check that

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L1549[17:09:42] <DeanIsaKitty> Sorry to be that person, but you probably should lern what crypto is and how to use it before you actually try to use it.

L1550[17:10:00]

<FatalDistraction> I'm here because the almighty interwebs has failed me ?

L1551[17:10:14] <DeanIsaKitty> g, *really* depends on what algorithm you use

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L1553[17:10:48] <Kodos> If you can't use the internet to find out what crypto is, you should probably uninstall OC

L1554[17:10:51] <DeanIsaKitty> Fatal, I'd wager nobody in here has the nerve to explain crypto to somebody that has no idea. Crypto is a really really complex thing, especially if you want to get it right.

L1555[17:10:57] <g> DeanIsaKitty, well yeah, rsa includes a hash in the data to check

L1556[17:11:03] <DeanIsaKitty> g: Wat, no

L1557[17:11:20] <DeanIsaKitty> RSA is just multiplying number ffs

L1558[17:11:33]

<FatalDistraction> So... how exactly could I password-protect data?

L1559[17:11:35] <g> hm, maybe I'm thinking of gpg

L1560[17:11:40]

<FatalDistraction> What would the process be, in other words.

L1561[17:11:45] <_habnabit> protect data from whom

L1562[17:11:53] <g> He wants to encrypt an eeprom

L1563[17:11:54] <DeanIsaKitty> g: maybe. but thats not RSA

L1564[17:11:58] <g> so you need a password to boot the OS

L1565[17:12:04] <g> presumably some kind of DRM ingame, lol

L1566[17:12:14] <DeanIsaKitty> Fatal, crypto :)

L1567[17:12:28] <g> I don't think the eeprom is the right place for it honestly

L1568[17:12:32] <Kodos> Serialize the data, and then ROT13 it

L1569[17:12:35] <_habnabit> so what stops someone from popping out the disk drive and reading it, then

L1570[17:12:36] <Kodos> Problem solved

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L1574[17:12:37] <DeanIsaKitty> g: Actually its the best place.

L1575[17:12:52] <DeanIsaKitty> Then you can do it somewhat transparently.

L1576[17:12:56] <g> if you're installing the OS to disk, you could encrypt it on disk and decrypt at runtime?

L1577[17:13:08] <g> although that wouldn't stop people from "pirating" it if they were really dedicated

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<FatalDistraction> I need to make sure that the data on the floppy disk is unreadable without a password

L1580[17:13:24] <_habnabit> but, still, the question is who are you trying to prevent reading this data

L1581[17:13:27] <g> How big are OC floppies again?

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L1583[17:13:36]

<FatalDistraction> Well, I meant to say HDD

L1584[17:13:37] <gamax92> 1440KB

L1585[17:13:38] <DeanIsaKitty> Fatal, how good with higher mathematics are you?

L1586[17:13:42] <gamax92> (it's not)

L1587[17:13:47] <greaser|q> OC floppies are 512KB

L1588[17:13:48]

<FatalDistraction> eh not really good

L1589[17:13:53] <DeanIsaKitty> Ok.

L1590[17:13:56] <DeanIsaKitty> Forget it.

L1591[17:13:57] <_habnabit> the server owner can decrypt your data, for example

L1592[17:13:58] <g> 512 would be enough..

L1593[17:14:03] <DeanIsaKitty> Sorry but you wont get anywhere really <.<

L1594[17:14:05] <g> Fatal, do you have computronics installed?

L1595[17:14:08] <greaser|q> actual floppies are... well, depends on how much of an arsehole your manufacturer is

L1596[17:14:13] <gamax92> :P

L1597[17:14:14]

<FatalDistraction> and yes, I am attempting DRM in minecraft

L1598[17:14:27] <_habnabit> well, do you run the server?

L1599[17:14:28] <Kodos> Regular Cipher Block from 'Tronics is great 'Crypto for Dummies'

L1600[17:14:31]

<FatalDistraction> No, I do not have computronics

L1601[17:14:35] <g> Kodos: yeah, exactly

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L1603[17:14:40] <greaser|q> 360KB, 720KB, 1440KB, 2880KB are typical sizes, 360KB is double-density single-sided, the rest are double-sided

L1604[17:14:41] <g> computronics has a crypto block that can help

L1605[17:14:52] <_habnabit> if you don't run the server, there's no point in even trying

L1606[17:14:53] <greaser|q> except you can usually squeeze out another 11% with not much effort

L1607[17:15:17] <gamax92> confusion: if you have some fancy setup for decrypting a floppy from an eeprom, can't someone just take your EEPROM and floppy and clone them?

L1608[17:15:46] <gamax92> I guess you can barracade your computer in bedrock or OpenSecurity door controllers

L1609[17:15:48] <gamax92> Mimiru: :P

L1610[17:15:49] <g> can't someone just take your private key from your PC and clone that?

L1611[17:15:52] <g> it's the same deal really

L1612[17:15:55] <greaser|q> gamax92: that's why you require a password to decode it ;)

L1613[17:15:55] <_habnabit> i'm just imagining someone replacing your eeprom with one that takes your password and broadcasts it with a modem

L1614[17:16:01] <DeanIsaKitty> _habnabit: You could encrypt stuff to a level where it can't be broken if you'd really care.

L1615[17:16:07] <greaser|q> oh right, MITM attack

L1616[17:16:20] <greaser|q> _habnabit: and that's when it starts to get fun

L1617[17:16:24] <g> anyway yeah, fatal, check out the crypto block from computronics

L1618[17:16:27] <Mimiru> gamax92, hey that's totally a config option now

L1619[17:16:45] <_habnabit> DeanIsaKitty, except unless you run the server, the person who _does_ run the server can get the decrypted data out

L1620[17:16:52] <DeanIsaKitty> g, key expansion from password? There is no private key in plaintext anywhere

L1621[17:16:59] <greaser|q> and when i say "require a password" i mean mathematically

L1622[17:17:04] <DeanIsaKitty> _habnabit: How? unless memory hacking?

L1623[17:17:26] <g> OC memory is serialized

L1624[17:17:28] <_habnabit> DeanIsaKitty, well, sure. it's not like you can prevent someone from dumping the memory of the server process while the data is in cleartext

L1625[17:17:44] <Sangar> i'm off o/

L1626[17:17:47] <Kodos> Night

L1627[17:17:50] <DeanIsaKitty> _habnabit: Thats why I said unless memory hacking

L1628[17:17:52] <greaser|q> cya Snagar

L1629[17:17:52] <g> there'd be a timing attack where the op can shut down the server while the decryption is running

L1630[17:17:53] <DeanIsaKitty> Sangar!

L1631[17:17:57] <gamax92> :/ You guys are going kinda mad with the whole security thing

L1632[17:18:06] <g> we're nerds

L1633[17:18:08] <_habnabit> which is why i asked things like "who are you trying to protect this data from" and "do you run the server"

L1634[17:18:11] <DeanIsaKitty> gamax92: I developed ecdh for OC, so yeah?

L1635[17:18:33] <_habnabit> i mean, you can wank as much as you want about pointless crap that nobody will even try to break anyway, but if you actually are trying to do something useful, ...

L1636[17:18:38] <Inari> g: uh, i still dotn see how that relates to be fair :P it seems to be about that you can find the public key if you have enough privkey-encrypted messages

L1637[17:19:05] <g> Inari, and so you can decrypt those messages at that point

L1638[17:19:07] <gamax92> DeanIsaKitty: I doubt he's trying to protect from some real person with physical access to the server with memory dumping tools

L1639[17:19:19] <Inari> g: yeah? but my example was that i use your public key to encrypt

L1640[17:19:19] <gamax92> more like ingame idiots

L1641[17:19:23] <DeanIsaKitty> gamax92: There's no way of doing that anyway.

L1642[17:19:34] <_habnabit> DeanIsaKitty, doesn't stop people from trying

L1643[17:19:40] <gamax92> you know there is.

L1644[17:19:41] <g> er

L1645[17:19:42] <g> what?

L1646[17:19:49] <g> your example was that you could decrypt with the pubkey

L1647[17:19:59] <g> or did I read that wrong?

L1648[17:20:11] <DeanIsaKitty> _habnabit: what now?

L1649[17:20:23] <_habnabit> and if you're just trying to prevent access from other lusers on the server, building physical access security or making the mod reject non-owner access is going to be good enough anyway

L1650[17:20:38] <DeanIsaKitty> gamax92: how?

L1651[17:20:57] <Inari> g: well i also said the only thing that decrypt a thing encrypted with your privkey is your pubkey

L1652[17:21:00] <gamax92> lua runs in a native process, you get the map for the lua native library and dump it's respective virtual memory

L1653[17:21:02] <Inari> which is entirely true

L1654[17:21:07] <g> but

L1655[17:21:13] <g> my point was that you should never actually do that

L1656[17:21:14] <g> lol

L1657[17:21:19] <g> I didn't say it wasn't true

L1658[17:21:20] <_habnabit> DeanIsaKitty, people still attempt to do things like prevent users downloading images in a web browser

L1659[17:21:20] <Inari> depends on what you're trying to do :p

L1660[17:21:26] <DeanIsaKitty> gamax92: I said there is no way of protecting from the server owner

L1661[17:21:29] <g> only for signing.

L1662[17:21:29] <Inari> not if you want th emessages to be secret

L1663[17:21:30] <Inari> xD

L1664[17:21:35] <_habnabit> it's not possible, but people still _try_

L1665[17:21:51] <DeanIsaKitty> _habnabit: You're on a completely different topic now.

L1666[17:22:11]

<FatalDistraction> I don't want to protect the information from the server owner, he's fairly responsible

L1667[17:22:13] <_habnabit> eh?

L1668[17:22:26]

<FatalDistraction> I want to protect the OS from the players who aren't.

L1669[17:22:36] <g> alright, I'm going to bed, I'll write a proof of concept in the morning if I remember

L1670[17:22:37] <g> later o/

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L1672[17:22:40] <DeanIsaKitty> Fatal, Physical security or Computronics. Thats it.

L1673[17:22:47] <_habnabit> yes, use physical security

L1674[17:22:53] <Inari> SSD on breakin

L1675[17:23:07] <Inari> also you know

L1676[17:23:08] <gamax92> what about the computer.users protection

L1677[17:23:09] <Inari> thres computer.addUser

L1678[17:23:10] <Inari> xP

L1679[17:23:17] <_habnabit> ah yeah i thought OC had that

L1680[17:23:17] <Inari> gamax92: psh

L1681[17:23:19] <_habnabit> there you go

L1682[17:23:28] <_habnabit> perfect security, built in from the start

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L1684[17:23:34] <Inari> i still dislike that it has

L1685[17:23:37] <Inari> but at least it can be turned off

L1686[17:23:41] <gamax92> it makes it so people not on your list cannot open your computer's case or interact with the screen

L1687[17:23:52]

<FatalDistraction> No. I want people to be able to USE the OS without my permission, but I don't want them to be able to copy it.

L1688[17:24:06] <gamax92> then physical security :

L1689[17:24:07] <gamax92> :P

L1690[17:24:12] <Inari> well

L1691[17:24:13]

<FatalDistraction> ?

L1692[17:24:16] <_habnabit> do it PaaS-style, then

L1693[17:24:18] <Inari> thats pretty simple

L1694[17:24:19] <_habnabit> everything over a modem

L1695[17:24:36] <Inari> for bootup you connect a hdd, then that cable gets disconnected and all is on ram

L1696[17:24:42] <_habnabit> sell shell accounts

L1697[17:24:51]

<FatalDistraction> The mining on the server isn't so easy that I can just pull T3 servers out of thin air _habnabit

L1698[17:25:17] <Inari> which server btw xD

L1699[17:25:27]

<FatalDistraction> Tekkify (play.tekkify.com)

L1700[17:25:33] <gamax92> OpenOS can't be used to do that without severe modifications though

L1701[17:25:37] <Inari> i think i played on that once

L1702[17:25:40] <Inari> wasnt great iirc xD

L1703[17:25:47] <Inari> also datacard does ECC and such, no?

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<FatalDistraction> I don't want to use OpenOS gamax, I'm making my own

L1706[17:26:22]

<FatalDistraction> Inari, I'm asking how to utilize ECC to make sure that all data is protected unless you enter a password.

L1707[17:26:32] <Inari> yeah

L1708[17:26:36] <Inari> tekkify brekaing all the eulas

L1709[17:26:37] <Inari> neat

L1710[17:26:45]

<FatalDistraction> ?

L1711[17:26:49] <_habnabit> hmmmmm doesn't lua's debug module have a way to dump the loaded code for a frame?

L1712[17:27:02] <Inari> http://akari.in/pinky_eXo2N

L1713[17:27:36]

<FatalDistraction> Yeah, that's the premium.

L1714[17:27:46]

<FatalDistraction> The server owner will still be able to access the data.

L1715[17:27:47] <greaser|q> yeah the use w/o copying thing would need to be aaS

L1716[17:27:48] <Inari> yeah and that isnt allowed

L1717[17:28:11] <Inari> "If you have been banned, you can purchase an account unlock to be unbanned on the Tekkify server."

L1718[17:28:13] <Inari> of course.

L1719[17:28:19]

<FatalDistraction> I just want to make sure that a player can't walk along, pirate the HDD, then walk off and sell it.

L1720[17:28:39] * Inari sends mail :D

L1721[17:28:43]

<FatalDistraction> Is this discussion about how good Tekkify is? No. (By the way, it is pretty good. Play it to find out.)

L1722[17:28:55] <Kodos> It's still a server that breaks Mojang's EULA

L1723[17:28:58] <Inari> yeah, with a store like that i dont need to even try

L1724[17:29:01] <_habnabit> ime the desirability of the code that someone wants to protect is inversely proportional to the amount of effort that someone wants to spend protecting it

L1725[17:29:01] <Kodos> Which means it's a shit server that I won't even play on

L1726[17:29:04]

<FatalDistraction> How so Kodos?

L1727[17:29:12] <Kodos> Paygating game content

L1728[17:29:18] <greaser|q> how does it violate the EULA?

L1729[17:29:18] <Inari> i wouldnt even care if it breaks the eula

L1730[17:29:21] <greaser|q> ah righty

L1731[17:29:22] <Inari> ify ou sell unbans ...

L1732[17:29:33] <greaser|q> pay2grif

L1733[17:29:42]

<FatalDistraction> don't get banned though, it gets you on the Staff's bad side.

L1734[17:29:44] <gamax92> you're a terrible person, but pay us money and we'll pretend you arent

L1735[17:29:48]

<FatalDistraction> You don't wanna mess with Rhah

L1736[17:29:59]

<FatalDistraction> Nah, it's like bail

L1737[17:30:01] <Inari> lets say, it encourages the staff to hand bans out more leniently

L1738[17:30:06] <_habnabit> griefing as a service

L1739[17:30:13] <DeanIsaKitty> Fatal, the Data card provides AES btw. you can use that

L1740[17:30:20]

<FatalDistraction> I'm asking HOW.

L1741[17:30:30] <_habnabit> call the function

L1742[17:30:32] <_habnabit> do the thing

L1743[17:30:34] <_habnabit> make it go

L1744[17:30:34] <DeanIsaKitty> Yeah

L1745[17:30:36] <DeanIsaKitty> pretty much

L1746[17:30:52] <_habnabit> btw i want a copy when you're done

L1747[17:30:58] <gamax92> ;)

L1748[17:31:32] <DeanIsaKitty> Very very short explanation: K - key, P - Plaintext, C - ciper. encrypt (P, K) -> C ; decrypt (C, K) -> P

L1749[17:31:52] <Inari> haha

L1750[17:31:53] <Inari> compact

L1751[17:31:57] <_habnabit> uh oh

L1752[17:32:04] <_habnabit> does that mean it uses ECB

L1753[17:32:10] <DeanIsaKitty> _habnabit: no?

L1754[17:32:14] <DeanIsaKitty> It uses CBC.

L1755[17:32:49] <_habnabit> then where's the IV :?

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L1757[17:33:23] <DeanIsaKitty> _habnabit: Yeah

L1758[17:33:46] <DeanIsaKitty> I missed it cause I'm blind and github's syntax highlighting makes it really hard for me to read code there

L1759[17:33:52] <DeanIsaKitty> can you disable that somehow?

L1760[17:34:41] <_habnabit> dunno

L1761[17:34:44] <_habnabit> user style maybe

L1762[17:34:47] <gamax92> ^

L1763[17:34:59] <gamax92> It's definitely changable via user styles (I have a dark theme one :D)

L1764[17:35:35] <DeanIsaKitty> gamax92: what now?

L1765[17:36:28] <gamax92> ... the syntax highlighting colors?

L1766[17:36:48] <Shuudoushi> gamax92: link please

L1767[17:37:03] <gamax92> https://userstyles.org/styles/37035/github-dark

L1768[17:37:06] <DeanIsaKitty> Ah

L1769[17:37:07]

<FatalDistraction> Okay, I think I got it. However, what is this "iv" string that's required for the data.encrypt() function?

L1770[17:37:18] <Shuudoushi> gamax92: tyvm

L1771[17:37:20] <DeanIsaKitty> Think of it as a key

L1772[17:37:26] <DeanIsaKitty> Fata; ^

L1773[17:37:29] <Inari> gamax92: of course you can have custom styling if you have a browser addon that restyles crap :P

L1774[17:37:45] <_habnabit> actually i just realized that since you can't protect the content of a floppy, as long as you're giving out the password to people so they can decrypt it, they can decrypt it on their own

L1775[17:37:50] <CompanionCube> github dark OP.

L1776[17:38:04]

<FatalDistraction> There's Data (string), Key (string), and IV (string). What is IV?

L1777[17:38:08] <CompanionCube> I <3 it so much.

L1778[17:38:18] <DeanIsaKitty> Inari: Its good enough for me

L1779[17:39:04] <_habnabit> maybe you could secure this if you require people to ask you to type in a password on boot

L1780[17:39:16]

<FatalDistraction> That's what I'm doing...

L1781[17:39:25] <_habnabit> but even then they could phish you by making a prompt that looks like your password prompt...

L1782[17:39:29] <Shuudoushi> _habnabit: you mean like SOS?

L1783[17:39:38] <_habnabit> Shuudoushi, not sure what SOS expands to here

L1784[17:39:50] <gamax92> _habnabit: I love reading about stories like that

L1785[17:40:18] <DeanIsaKitty> Fatal, do your users have any idea at all or access to the computer case?

L1786[17:40:34]

<FatalDistraction> So, if I encrypt using String "Wake Me", Key "Up", and IV "Inside", could someone with the string and IV decrypt the string?

L1787[17:40:40] <Shuudoushi> _habnabit: the phishing thing is solved by disabling autorun at reboot or shutdown and having the login script re-enabling autorun

L1788[17:41:06] <DeanIsaKitty> Fatal, not with a bit of work

L1789[17:41:07] <_habnabit> it depends on the distribution mechanism

L1790[17:41:16] <gamax92> people trolling others on old dos machines, fake password prompt that would launch the real password system and then just fill the keyboard buffer, saving the password elsewhere

L1791[17:41:30] <_habnabit> if you're handing out the floppy and password, then it's trivial to decrypt the content

L1792[17:41:45] <gamax92> _habnabit: he just said he isn't giving out the password ._.

L1793[17:41:52]

<FatalDistraction> It'll ship with the default password, then it can be changed later.

L1794[17:41:56] <_habnabit> ah ok

L1795[17:42:01] <_habnabit> i missed that line i guess

L1796[17:42:23] <Shuudoushi> fatal, steal away https://github.com/Shuudoushi/SecureOS

L1797[17:42:29] <DeanIsaKitty> gamax92: that actually works pretty well, thanks for the tip

L1798[17:42:32] <_habnabit> but still, how do you determine if a password prompt is _actually_ your OS's password prompt

L1799[17:42:41] <gamax92> SecureOS's name is a joke

L1800[17:42:50] <Shuudoushi> for the most part

L1801[17:42:57] <gamax92> :P you agreed with it

L1802[17:43:06]

<FatalDistraction> @Shuudoushi I'm designing a GUI for my OS.

L1803[17:43:10] <_habnabit> things like TOTP rely on there being a hidden secret...

L1804[17:43:16] <Shuudoushi> but the login scripts and user system can still be used

L1805[17:43:22]

<FatalDistraction> You use gml?

L1806[17:43:28]

<FatalDistraction> and you say I steal...

L1807[17:43:48] <DeanIsaKitty> EEPROM can't access components, can they?

L1808[17:43:56] <Shuudoushi> ... no, I'm saying you can use what ever you want from SOS

L1809[17:43:58]

<FatalDistraction> It can.

L1810[17:44:05]

<FatalDistraction> it can use component.invoke()

L1811[17:44:09] <DeanIsaKitty> Huh.

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L1813[17:44:22] <Shuudoushi> and I'm not stealing gml, look at the readme

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L1815[17:44:45] <DeanIsaKitty> _habnabit: Want me to throw in a proof-of-concept trust chain for OS booting? <.<

L1816[17:44:51] <_habnabit> yes

L1817[17:44:52] <Shuudoushi> fully gave credit to Gopher for using GML just like he request

L1818[17:44:53] <_habnabit> i'm curious

L1819[17:45:07] <DeanIsaKitty> Can I shadow components?

L1820[17:45:11]

<FatalDistraction> Is gopher active at all?

L1821[17:45:15] <_habnabit> i don't see why not

L1822[17:45:16]

<FatalDistraction> Where can I reach him?

L1823[17:45:23] <_habnabit> actually i just realized that the keydown events show you player name

L1824[17:45:29] <Shuudoushi> %seen Gopher

L1825[17:45:29] <MichiBot> Shuudoushi: Gopher has not been seen.

L1826[17:45:30] <_habnabit> hmm

L1827[17:45:37] <Shuudoushi> not active t seems lol

L1828[17:45:42] <Shuudoushi> s/t/it

L1829[17:45:43] <Kibibyte> <Shuudoushi> noit active t seems lol

L1830[17:45:44]

<FatalDistraction> Not here, but elsewhere

L1831[17:45:49] <Shuudoushi> ...

L1832[17:45:53]

<FatalDistraction> is there an email I could reach him at?

L1833[17:45:56] <DeanIsaKitty> gamax92: Can I shadow a component (fs) in a way that any program using it will still work?

L1834[17:45:57] * Shuudoushi slaps Kibibyte.

L1835[17:45:58] * EnderBot2 chuckles

L1836[17:46:01] <gamax92> yeah

L1837[17:46:05] <DeanIsaKitty> gamax92: How?

L1838[17:46:14] <gamax92> overriding the entire component api and adding in your own hooks

L1839[17:46:19] <Shuudoushi> fatal, give me a sec and I'll take a look for you

L1840[17:46:28] <DeanIsaKitty> Huh.

L1841[17:46:30] <gamax92> there is no debug.getupvalue or debug.getlocal so you're safe from that

L1842[17:46:45]

<FatalDistraction> Okay, so just let me get this straight. If I have an encrypted string, and someone else has the IV for it, can they decrypt it?

L1843[17:46:47] <_habnabit> yeah there's no way to protect against the phishing afaict

L1844[17:46:55] <_habnabit> everything i can think of falls apart at phishing

L1845[17:47:10] <DeanIsaKitty> Fatal, no, not with reasonably time at least

L1846[17:47:35]

<FatalDistraction> Okay, so that should be safe.

L1847[17:47:37] <Shuudoushi> Fatal: Seems PMing him on github may be a good way for going about getting in touch with him, https://github.com/GopherAtl

L1848[17:47:47] <gamax92> how do you pm someone on github

L1849[17:48:41] <Shuudoushi> oh yeah... that never became a thing did it...

L1850[17:49:02] <gamax92> it used to be a thing

L1851[17:49:03] <gamax92> used

L1852[17:49:17] <Shuudoushi> i meant bringing it back

L1853[17:49:56] <Shuudoushi> I guess making an issue on one of his repos could be counted as a PM...

L1854[17:53:12]

<FatalDistraction> How do I find the highest tier data card, and set it as that?

L1855[17:53:39] <Shuudoushi> why are you using dif tier data cards...

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L1857[17:53:56] <Shuudoushi> well, either way

L1858[17:55:46] <Shuudoushi> I think you can use component.proxy() to get the name of the component, which with data cards I think includes the tier

L1859[17:56:37] <_habnabit> or just look for one with the right methods on it

L1860[17:58:25] <gamax92> #lua (-128/128/33) * math.sqrt((32^2)*3) * 2

L1861[17:58:25] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > -3.3591288389215

L1862[17:58:29] <gamax92> eww

L1863[17:58:39] <_habnabit> #lua 22/7

L1864[17:58:40] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 3.1428571428571

L1865[17:58:48] <gamax92> #lua 355/133

L1866[17:58:49] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 2.6691729323308

L1867[17:58:52] <gamax92> fuck

L1868[17:58:54] <gamax92> #lua 355/113

L1869[17:58:54] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 3.141592920354

L1870[17:59:13]

<FatalDistraction> #lua math.sqrt(-1)

L1871[17:59:19]

<FatalDistraction> ....

L1872[17:59:34] <_habnabit> thanks corded

L1873[17:59:48]

<FatalDistraction> can someone else try that for me

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L1875[18:00:46] <malcom2073> #lua math.sqrt(-1)

L1876[18:00:50] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > -nan

L1877[18:01:03]

<FatalDistraction> wut

L1878[18:01:17] <malcom2073> It's not a number, it's an imaginary number

L1879[18:02:10] <gamax92> all negative numbers show up as -nan, except for -0

L1880[18:02:23] <gamax92> #lua math.sqrt(-0), math.sqrt(0)

L1881[18:02:23] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 0.0 | 0.0

L1882[18:02:33] <gamax92> meh, that must have changed in 5.3

L1883[18:02:57] <gamax92> yeah it did

L1884[18:04:41] <_habnabit> http://paste.pound-python.org/show/7Fb04dNSqhNmkvpzb7Yn/ computronics is including itself twice when i do `gradle runClient` from the computronics source checkout ...? `find ~/.gradle . -iname '*computronics*.jar'` shows only `./build/libs/Computronics-1.7.10-1.6.1.jar`

L1885[18:06:54]

<FatalDistraction> how can I retrieve a table that lists all files in a directory

L1886[18:07:38] <greaser|q> very carefully

L1887[18:07:43] <gamax92> ~w fs

L1888[18:07:44] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:filesystem

L1889[18:07:49] <greaser|q> uhh, i think it's under filesystem

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L1891[18:08:01]

<FatalDistraction> filesystem.list() returns a function

L1892[18:08:34]

<FatalDistraction> is there a way that I can do 'local table = filesystem.list(dir)'

L1893[18:08:48] <_habnabit> it's probably an iterator

L1894[18:08:51] <_habnabit> so, iterate over it

L1895[18:09:28]

<FatalDistraction> uhhh

L1896[18:09:47] <gamax92> local variable = {} for file in filesystem.list(dir) do variable[#variable+1] = file end

L1897[18:12:57]

<FatalDistraction> worked, thanks

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L1899[18:27:15]

<FatalDistraction> How do I read all the contents of a file

L1900[18:27:55]

<FatalDistraction> nvm

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L1902[18:30:06] <Kodos> I have a function in my lib for that

L1903[18:30:40]

<FatalDistraction> Nah, you just have to do local file = io.open("file", "r"), file:read("*a"), file:close()

L1904[18:31:18] <gamax92> r

L1905[18:31:21] <gamax92> why not rb

L1906[18:31:26] <gamax92> binary mode bestest

L1907[18:31:33]

<FatalDistraction> because I need strings

L1908[18:31:37] <gamax92> and?

L1909[18:31:39] <gamax92> this isn't CC

L1910[18:31:48] <gamax92> the io api actually works properly

L1911[18:32:01]

<FatalDistraction> well, why not just "r"?

L1912[18:32:18] <gamax92> because rb is binary mode and promises to not mangle any of your data

L1913[18:33:12]

<FatalDistraction> does it keep carriage returns?

L1914[18:33:49] * Kodos goes to check his lib

L1915[18:34:13] <greaser|q> pretty sure "b" actually does nothing different BUT you should shove it in anyway if you're doing binary files

L1916[18:34:24] <greaser|q> i'm pretty sure OC just uses UNIX newlines

L1917[18:34:40]

<FatalDistraction> So anyway, how can I generate a random string?

L1918[18:34:43] <greaser|q> of course if you hate non-UNIX newlines with a passion you could just use "b" everywhere

L1919[18:34:59] <greaser|q> well you'll need a good source of entropy and a fair whack of math

L1920[18:35:16]

<FatalDistraction> I need a random string with a set length.

L1921[18:35:24] <greaser|q> oddly enough, RC4 is actually an OK algorithm for turning that entropy into more entropy

L1922[18:35:59] <gamax92> @FatalDistraction Instead of feeding you the entire snipplet because you won't learn, I'll give you hints instead

L1923[18:36:05] <greaser|q> but basically you get enough random data and then reduce it to, say, 64 bits

L1924[18:36:06] <gamax92> string.char and math.random

L1925[18:36:12] <greaser|q> sorry i mean 6 bits

L1926[18:36:41] <gamax92> greaser|q: didn't someone use openssl as a fast random data source? :P

L1927[18:36:44] <greaser|q> if you're using math.random then you can just multiply it by, say, 62 and then use a LUT or a function to turn that into 0-9A-Za-z

L1928[18:37:02] <greaser|q> gamax92: iirc someone once used it with rc4 mode because it's hella fast

L1929[18:37:09] <greaser|q> but it's believable

L1930[18:38:37]

<FatalDistraction> What are the effects of removing the preferred boot address from the Data section of the EEPROM?

L1931[18:39:13]

<FatalDistraction> apparently nothing...

L1932[18:39:20] <gamax92> computer.getBootAddress and computer.setBootAddress are simply aliases to read and write from the data section by the EEPROM

L1933[18:39:31] <gamax92> so you'll have to provide alternatives for that.

L1934[18:39:51]

<FatalDistraction> that should be easy enough

L1935[18:39:59] <gamax92> then again, if you're writing a custom OS, you can do your own thing

L1936[18:40:09] <gamax92> don't have to follow suite with openos

L1937[18:40:28]

<FatalDistraction> My OS is going to be more windows 98-esque

L1938[18:40:34] <gamax92> ... die

L1939[18:40:38] <gamax92> I'm sorry that was rude

L1940[18:40:58]

<FatalDistraction> "Please die" would be acceptable

L1941[18:42:25] <greaser|q> {.e'o ko mrobi'o ne'i lo fagri} also works

L1942[18:42:38] <greaser|q> actually .e'u would be better

L1943[18:42:49] <greaser|q> .e'o is a request, .e'u is a suggestion

L1944[18:42:55]

<FatalDistraction> Vase matka je trocha coura

L1945[18:43:00] <greaser|q> translation: i suggest you die in a fire

L1946[18:43:00]

<FatalDistraction> ....anyway

L1947[18:43:19]

<FatalDistraction> Translation: (Czech) Your mother is a little (slut, whore, whatever)

L1948[18:43:37]

<FatalDistraction> .....anyway

L1949[18:43:44] <gamax92> ......anyway

L1950[18:43:53] <Kodos> Don't make me time you both out

L1951[18:44:00] <ocdoc> Hi Kodos

L1952[18:44:04]

<FatalDistraction> ignoring my obscene knowledge of the Czech language, I think this OS is going to turn out great

L1953[18:44:17]

<FatalDistraction> ...jk it's going to die in a fire like me

L1954[18:44:30] <gamax92> `-`: how is Anix going

L1955[18:45:18] <Kodos> Whee, i was using rb mode already =D

L1956[18:46:40] <`-`> gamax92: Making documentation for lots of stuff

L1957[18:47:37] <Kodos> https://github.com/MyNameIsKodos/OpenComputers-Programs/blob/master/lib/kodos.lua#L112-L159

L1958[18:47:39] <Kodos> Does that look okay

L1959[18:48:46] <gamax92> greaser|q: right, the only difference with binary mode and not is if you have a buffered file, binary mode uses rawlen and string.sub, while not uses unicode.len and unicode.sub

L1960[18:48:58] <greaser|q> ...interesting

L1961[18:49:08] <gamax92> https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/blob/master-MC1.7.10/src/main/resources/assets/opencomputers/loot/OpenOS/lib/buffer.lua#L110-L115

L1962[18:49:45] <gamax92> and 82-88

L1963[18:50:09]

<FatalDistraction> My encryption program will literally turn your entire filesystem into a table. Get ready, because this thing's going in as dry as a desert.

L1964[18:50:55] <gamax92> :v why that sounds awful

L1965[18:51:09]

<FatalDistraction> Well, I need some way to store the encrypted data with file paths....

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L1967[18:52:19] <gamax92> make sure your OS doesn't require a server with 4 Tier 3.5 memory sticks and only has 1% free

L1968[18:53:20]

<FatalDistraction> Don't worry, I'm going to make it so that all of your files are unencrypted, but the OS files are.

L1969[18:53:44]

<FatalDistraction> and I'm fairly sure the OS won't exceed 2M

L1970[18:53:53]

<FatalDistraction> so all you'll need is 2 2.5's

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L1972[18:54:44] <gamax92> I've completely forgotten what I was doing ...

L1973[19:03:51] <DeanIsaKitty> Well, fuck me, I just booted an encrypted init.lua <.<

L1974[19:03:58]

<FatalDistraction> I'd rather not

L1975[19:04:14] <DeanIsaKitty> Fatal, I wouldn't let YOU anyway :)

L1976[19:04:36]

<FatalDistraction> Well, personally, no homo.

L1977[19:07:01] <DeanIsaKitty> gamax92: I can't hijack the filesystem from an EEPROM, can I? (Assuming OpenOS)

L1978[19:07:03]

<FatalDistraction> Is this correct syntax? 'local table = {"a" = "b"}'

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L1980[19:07:54]

<FatalDistraction> Does AES ever use the " symbol?

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L1982[19:08:36] <DeanIsaKitty> Fatal, AES spits out random bytes. So yes, it can use the " symbol too. But it's not a printable string anyway.

L1983[19:09:01] <gamax92> DeanIsaKitty: could

L1984[19:09:19] <VanillaBean_> I'm new to oc and lua, so this question might be way off base, but are the OC libs available outside of Minecraft? I'm thinking of mocks to develop script in Lua's IDE

L1985[19:09:20] <gamax92> again, just overwrite the component api from the EEPROM

L1986[19:09:35] <gamax92> you might be hurting for space though

L1987[19:09:55] <DeanIsaKitty> gamax92: OpenOS does an loadfile("/lib/filesystem.lua") in its init.lua though

L1988[19:10:20]

<FatalDistraction> Oh hey I could seriailize the data so it doesn't mess up

L1989[19:10:33] <gamax92> huh ... where is that defined

L1990[19:10:48] <DeanIsaKitty> gamax92: https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/blob/master-MC1.7.10/src/main/resources/assets/opencomputers/loot/OpenOS/init.lua#L115

L1991[19:11:04] <DeanIsaKitty> VanillaBean_: Here's the source code for OpenOS if you mean that https://github.com/MightyPirates/OpenComputers/tree/master-MC1.7.10/src/main/resources/assets/opencomputers/loot/OpenOS

L1992[19:11:25] <gamax92> oh, well then yeah, you can just hack it from the EEPROM before it loads and runs init.lua

L1993[19:12:42]

<FatalDistraction> If I have the table {"help", "me", "now"}, will adding a comma before the last bracket hurt the syntax in any way?

L1994[19:14:05] <gamax92> I have an idea for a custom EEPROM though :D

L1995[19:15:22] <DeanIsaKitty> gamax92: So, if I want "full disk encryption" and have it be transparent I need to write a custom filesystem lib and a custom init, don't I?

L1996[19:16:20] <DeanIsaKitty> Because I had to hijack fs and loadfile and dofile for ecryption to work via EEPROM

L1997[19:17:31] <gamax92> transparent being applications can list and read files from your drive just fine even though the drive itself is encrypted

L1998[19:17:55] <DeanIsaKitty> Yeah, exactly. In the best case an application should not be able to tell the difference at all.

L1999[19:18:56] <gamax92> I don't know how practical this is to stuff in an eeprom, but again, it'd be simply wrapping over the component api, and redirecting requests for the real filesystem to your encryption stuff

L2000[19:19:30] <DeanIsaKitty> Yeah, that probably means custom libs. Eh, I'll just start writing stuff

L2001[19:20:12] <VanillaBean_> DeanIsaKitty, thanks, that's close to what I want I think. Do you know where the source for the Robot api is?

L2002[19:20:50] <gamax92> if you look at what loadfile actually does, it calls rom.(blah), which rom is a custom table that does rom.invoke(blah), and that is also just a wrapper around component.invoke(computer.getBootAddress(), blah)

L2003[19:20:57] <DeanIsaKitty> VanillaBean_: Somewhere else in that Repo :D Try your luck with the search bar, I have no idea x)

L2004[19:21:08] <DeanIsaKitty> Ah

L2005[19:21:22] <gamax92> so, hooking into the component api and replacing access to that respective filesystem that has a uuid of computer.getBootAddress(), you can transparently encrypt and decrypt there

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L2007[19:25:24] <gamax92> DeanIsaKitty: even if fitting a generic filesystem wrapper into the EEPROM doesn't work, init.lua itself could be encrypted where the EEPROM decrypts and loads that, and then it can setup all the transparency that way. Wouldn't really change much as you'd be using the same original routines anyway

L2008[19:26:03] <gamax92> stuff like getSize and lastModified are obviously not needed or called to load and run init.lua

L2009[19:26:33] <Izaya> so I'm on my phone using vnc

L2010[19:26:46] <Izaya> to use hexchat on my gateway box

L2011[19:27:41] <gamax92> My computer is being horribly frozen for an unknown reason, brb

L2012[19:28:17] <DeanIsaKitty> Izaya: Atomic is a thing, you know? :P

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L2014[19:29:06] <Izaya> I have AndChat on my phone

L2015[19:29:27] <DeanIsaKitty> why not use that then?

L2016[19:29:38] <Izaya> just playing with VNC, in case I need it

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L2020[19:39:32] <DeanIsaKitty> Izaya: Can you get the real-world time from a computer?

L2021[19:40:12] <gamax92> through an internet service, maybe with abusing file creation bugs

L2022[19:40:38] <gamax92> Shuudoushi: Do you remember what you were doing with that, trying to get real time using lastModified or something like that?

L2023[19:40:38] <DeanIsaKitty> Welp, there goes that idea.

L2024[19:40:56] <Shuudoushi> gamax92: yeah

L2025[19:41:33] <Shuudoushi> lastModified kinda worked but returns an odd time stamp that can't just be converted using os.date(0 or anything

L2026[19:41:46] <DeanIsaKitty> UNIX timestamp?

L2027[19:41:53] <Shuudoushi> yeah

L2028[19:42:03] <DeanIsaKitty> That would be exactly what I need

L2029[19:42:19] <DeanIsaKitty> inb4 TOTP trusted boot chain for OC <.<

L2030[19:42:32] <Shuudoushi> it returned a time stamp that when converted said that the year some like 59000 or something

L2031[19:43:33] <gamax92> are you sure you didn't just divide

L2032[19:43:41] <Shuudoushi> DeanIsaKitty: just make sure to divide the output from lastmodified by 1000

L2033[19:44:12] <Shuudoushi> otherwise it comes out weird, it'll still need further work to get it to the right tie zones and stuff as well

L2034[19:44:37] <DeanIsaKitty> I just need a UNIX timestamp of the current real-world time.

L2035[19:44:52] <Shuudoushi> gamax92: I stuck the time stamp right into os.date (or was it os.time... pretty sure it was date though....)

L2036[19:45:04] <Shuudoushi> DeanIsaKitty: it might work

L2037[19:45:16] <DeanIsaKitty> Yeah, but that uses MC time. And a MC year is waaaaaay shorter than a real life one

L2038[19:45:20] <Shuudoushi> just convert it first as a test to make sure it's usable

L2039[19:45:40] <Shuudoushi> DeanIsaKitty: says that it returns IRL time on the wiki

L2040[19:45:53] <Shuudoushi> ~w lastModified

L2041[19:45:54] <ocdoc> Predicted http://www.lua.org/manual/5.2/manual.html#pdf-loadfile

L2042[19:45:58] <Shuudoushi> -_-

L2043[19:46:02] <Shuudoushi> ok

L2044[19:46:08] <Shuudoushi> ~w filesystem

L2045[19:46:08] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:filesystem

L2046[19:46:10] <gamax92> ocdoc doesn't know of any individual functions

L2047[19:46:15] <Shuudoushi> ah

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L2049[19:46:41] <gamax92> DeanIsaKitty: anyway, yeah that trick does work, you can create a file/directory, call lastModified on it and divide by 1000, gives you real time

L2050[19:46:51] <Shuudoushi> filesystem.lastModified(path: string): number

L2051[19:46:51] <Shuudoushi> Returns the real world unix timestamp of the last time the file at the specified path was modified. For directories this is usually the time of their creation.

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L2053[19:48:16] <DeanIsaKitty> l

L2054[19:48:19] <DeanIsaKitty> <.>

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L2056[19:49:15] <Shuudoushi> hmmm

L2057[19:49:29] <Shuudoushi> I seem to no longer have the function I was testing with

L2058[19:50:09] <gamax92> meh my idea is flop, time to test another idea :D

L2059[19:50:12] <Shuudoushi> but all it really did was open a file and write to it then run lastmodified when ever the function was called

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L2062[19:50:25] <Shuudoushi> gamax92: which idea?

L2063[19:50:34] <gamax92> secret

L2064[19:50:38] <Shuudoushi> ...

L2065[19:51:04] * Shuudoushi gets the bamboo and pliers.

L2066[19:51:05] <DeanIsaKitty> huh. fs.lastModified always returns 0 for some reason

L2067[19:51:16] <Shuudoushi> are you calling it on a path?

L2068[19:51:27] <DeanIsaKitty> Yeah

L2069[19:51:33] <DeanIsaKitty> absolute even

L2070[19:51:33] <Shuudoushi> which path?

L2071[19:51:39] <DeanIsaKitty> /tmp/test

L2072[19:51:46] <gamax92> oh, tmpfs

L2073[19:51:52] <Shuudoushi> idk, let me check rq

L2074[19:51:54] <DeanIsaKitty> ls

L2075[19:51:56] <DeanIsaKitty> ffs

L2076[19:51:59] <Shuudoushi> XD

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L2085[19:56:09] <DeanIsaKitty> Did somebody develop software RAID yet?

L2086[19:56:28] <Shuudoushi> vcomponent can kinda do that I think

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L2088[19:57:15] <DeanIsaKitty> Sadly oc uses CBC on the data card <.<

L2089[19:57:47] <Shuudoushi> DeanIsaKitty: lastmodifed works for me http://puu.sh/mIxKp/1aa2ebec63.png

L2090[19:58:03] <Shuudoushi> http://puu.sh/mIxLW/973373eafe.png

L2091[19:58:29] <DeanIsaKitty> huh

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L2094[19:58:48] <DeanIsaKitty> Oh well, gonna check that out sometime in the future

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L2097[20:00:11] <_habnabit> i'm thinking about how to expose kalium to opencomputers

L2098[20:00:25] <Shuudoushi> DeanIsaKitty: http://puu.sh/mIxTW/4c9c199155.png http://puu.sh/mIxUE/50359d44a3.png

L2099[20:00:50] <Shuudoushi> the issue in which I spoke... ^

L2100[20:01:39] <DeanIsaKitty> Yeah, os.date converts to minecraft time.

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L2102[20:02:19] <gamax92> hmm okay, my other idea is a flopy

L2103[20:02:42] <gamax92> I cant tell OC to make http requests using something other than GET or POST

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L2108[20:03:52] <Shuudoushi> gamax92: well shit

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L2111[20:04:20] <Shuudoushi> DeanIsaKitty: you're thinking of os.time that returns game time

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L2113[20:05:43] <DeanIsaKitty> Shuudoushi: os.date does too

L2114[20:05:49] <DeanIsaKitty> I just checked

L2115[20:06:15] <Shuudoushi> o.O

L2116[20:06:19] <gamax92> huh

L2117[20:06:26] <Shuudoushi> when the fuck was that changed...

L2118[20:07:05] <Shuudoushi> right... time to look up a lua based unix timestamp converter...

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L2120[20:07:42] <DeanIsaKitty> Welp, I'ma call it a night now. Got stuffs to do <.<

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L2122[20:07:52] <gamax92> DeanIsaKitty: you sure, I just did os.date("%c", 1453687650) and got actual time

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L2124[20:09:27] <Shuudoushi> there are extra digits for lastmodifed...

L2125[20:09:28] <VanillaBean_> night DeanIsaKitty thanks for the pointer

L2126[20:10:10] <Shuudoushi> gamax92: you're on linux right?

L2127[20:10:16] <gamax92> yeh

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L2129[20:10:26] <Shuudoushi> can you pull epoch time for me rq

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L2132[20:11:23] <gamax92> 1453687882

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L2134[20:13:03] <Shuudoushi> yeah, linux epoch is 10 digit, OC epoch is 13...

L2135[20:13:26] <Shuudoushi> that would explain a fucking lot

L2136[20:13:31] <gamax92> epoch does not work via number of digits

L2137[20:13:53] <Shuudoushi> it's number of seconds I know

L2138[20:14:07] <gamax92> and in OC, number of milleseconds ...

L2139[20:14:23] <Shuudoushi> shouldn't be o.O

L2140[20:14:48] <gamax92> but it is, which is why you divide by 1000 to fix that

L2141[20:15:15] <gamax92> anyway I'mma bbl, youtube

L2142[20:15:28] <Shuudoushi> o/

L2143[20:18:59] <gamax92> ;-;

L2144[20:19:10] <gamax92> headphones are broke

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L2151[20:21:31] <Shuudoushi> lulz

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L2159[20:33:33] <Shuudoushi> hmmm

L2160[20:33:49] <Shuudoushi> now I need to figure out how to apply timezones to this shit

L2161[20:34:50] <Kodos> It's too bad timeapi shut down

L2162[20:35:03] <Kodos> OH

L2163[20:35:04] <Kodos> It's back up

L2164[20:35:11] <Mimiru> I was gonna say...

L2165[20:35:12] <Mimiru> lol

L2166[20:35:16] <Shuudoushi> or ban this shit out of your IP if you ping their serer too often

L2167[20:35:17] <Kodos> \o/ My lib works again

L2168[20:35:19] <Temia> I am now aliasing 'git rekt' to 'git reset --hard' on all of my systems. <.<

L2169[20:35:23] <Shuudoushi> s/this/the

L2170[20:35:24] <Kibibyte> <Shuudoushi> or ban the shit out of your IP if you ping their serer too often

L2171[20:35:42] <Shuudoushi> wow Temia...

L2172[20:36:01] <Mimiru> fuck you is still aliases to sudo the last command

L2173[20:36:02] <Mimiru> lol

L2174[20:36:10] <Mimiru> aliased*

L2175[20:36:41] <Mimiru> I lied... timeapi

L2176[20:36:42] <Mimiru> err

L2177[20:36:46] <Mimiru> alias fuck='sudo $(history -p \!\!)'

L2178[20:36:47] <Temia> I need better ways to spend my time :x

L2179[20:37:06] <Temia> Plus sometimes I've used the command when an attempted bugfix just wasn't working out.

L2180[20:37:50] <Mimiru> also just is sudo fucking is apt-get so I can just fucking install bleh

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L2184[21:03:31] <gamax92> is drinking hot sauce a good way to wake up

L2185[21:04:05] <greaser|q> aaaaand my ARM emulator can now run my mandelbrot test

L2186[21:04:27] <gamax92> greaser|q: yay, oc?

L2187[21:04:30] <greaser|q> next up, parse the BX op

L2188[21:04:35] <greaser|q> gamax92: eventually

L2189[21:04:42] <gamax92> more yay

L2190[21:05:42] <greaser|q> what i intend to use it for is not the CPU though

L2191[21:05:54] <greaser|q> but for clientsiding GPU packets

L2192[21:06:04] <gamax92> ooh

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L2203[22:28:41] <greaser|q> i'm trying to get my s3m player working in this emulator

L2204[22:31:22] <Kodos> List of vanilla blocks that water can break, go

L2205[22:34:35] <_habnabit> crops?

L2206[22:36:13]

<FatalDistraction> Torches, skulls, tall grass, flowers.

L2207[22:40:05] <Kodos> Skulls break with water?

L2208[22:40:07] <Kodos> Huh, TIL

L2209[22:55:53] <AntheusAway> 80% packet loss...

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L2211[23:05:35] <AntheusAway> djasklfjasdf

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L2214[23:06:16] <AntheusAway> nothing like seeing your speeds using Bytes

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L2218[23:20:28] <Izaya> Yes there is

L2219[23:21:34] <Temia> Been there, done that, used dialup up until 2004. >3>

L2220[23:21:45]

<FatalDistraction> Seeing your internet speeds reach as high as 2.9mbps.....

L2221[23:21:55] <Temia> ...

L2222[23:22:02] <Temia> According to the FCC I have never known broadband

L2223[23:22:03] * Temia sobs

L2224[23:22:08] <Izaya> Used dialup until 2008

L2225[23:22:13] <Temia> Ouch.

L2226[23:22:23]

<FatalDistraction> DSL forever dude

L2227[23:22:24] <Izaya> My dad was an ass.

L2228[23:22:59] <Izaya> ADSL2+ yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

L2229[23:23:00]

<FatalDistraction> ...

L2230[23:24:44] <Antheus> Temia, same about the FCC thing

L2231[23:24:45] <Antheus> also

L2232[23:24:57] <Antheus> Had Dialup until 2010

L2233[23:25:51] <Temia> I sympathise with your pain.

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L2237[23:32:06] <v^> fak

L2238[23:32:30]

<FatalDistraction> How does this encryption program look

L2239[23:32:31]

<FatalDistraction> http://puu.sh/mIJop/c01ac3d7ba.png

L2240[23:32:43] <v^> resizing 200GB of files

L2241[23:32:51] <gamax92> is having no internet worse than dialup?

L2242[23:33:03] <v^> gamax92, atleast on dialup you can IRC

L2243[23:33:28]

<FatalDistraction> Assuming that the VI is stored on the EEPROM, how does that program look

L2244[23:34:17]

<FatalDistraction> the intended purpose is to iterate through every directory to retrieve file paths, then open each of those files, copy the data, encrypt it, serialize it, then delete the file

L2245[23:34:23] <_habnabit> you're reimplementing serialization.serialize for some reason

L2246[23:34:25] <v^> working on a super hacking toolkit of sorts in CC

L2247[23:34:30] <gamax92> I had no home internet for a long time and only had access to library internet for 30 minutes of 20KB/s every weekend

L2248[23:34:31] <v^> because i hate everyone in CC

L2249[23:34:43] <v^> gamax92, `-`, vifino, u wont beleive this shit

L2250[23:34:45] <_habnabit> deleting files before you write out the encrypted version is... an interesting choice

L2251[23:34:48] <_habnabit> i hopeyou have backups

L2252[23:34:48] <v^> firewolf uses RSA now

L2253[23:35:06] <v^> but the private and public keys are standard ass doubles

L2254[23:35:16] <_habnabit> laffo

L2255[23:35:33] <v^> like even 128 bit RSA is breakable now adays

L2256[23:35:41] <_habnabit> if that's a 50-something bit RSA key, i think that could be cracked on a TI-83+

L2257[23:35:58] <v^> nop

L2258[23:36:20] <v^> u can only store like up to (2^32)+1023 or something stupid in doubles

L2259[23:37:05] <v^> lets test

L2260[23:37:22] <gamax92> thought it was 52

L2261[23:37:55] <_habnabit> IEEE 754 doubles have a 53-bit mantissa

L2262[23:38:03] <v^> right

L2263[23:38:10] <v^> .l a=2^32 while a~=a+1 do a=a+1 end return a

L2264[23:38:11] <^v4> v^, Time limit exeeded.

L2265[23:38:19] <v^> <> a=2^32 while a~=a+1 do a=a+1 end return a

L2266[23:38:24] <v^> might regret that

L2267[23:38:52] <v^> ya tots regret that

L2268[23:38:59] <_habnabit> probably should've just gone up by powers of 2

L2269[23:39:18]

<FatalDistraction> Alright, the new one ditches serialization (huge files otherwise) and instead encrypts each file and places it in the directory it is supposed to be in.

L2270[23:39:52]

<FatalDistraction> @gamax92 How's this for a filesystem encryption program? http://puu.sh/mIJLp/0d13b2eb39.png

L2271[23:40:14] <v^> Fatal, right now im working on a program that encrypts CC bytecode so i can keep my hacking tools from being stolen or read

L2272[23:40:20] <_habnabit> you're still deleting the files before writing out the encrypted versions

L2273[23:40:32] <v^> .l 2^52==(2^52)+1

L2274[23:40:32] <^v4> v^, false

L2275[23:40:36]

<FatalDistraction> Yes

L2276[23:40:50] <v^> .l (2^52)==(2^52)

L2277[23:40:50] <^v4> v^, true

L2278[23:40:54]

<FatalDistraction> so this essentially saves the filesystem from being doubled in size then cut in half again

L2279[23:40:58] <v^> .l (2^52+1)==(2^52+2)

L2280[23:40:58] <^v4> v^, false

L2281[23:41:02] <v^> my wut

L2282[23:41:23]

<FatalDistraction> .l sqrt(-1)

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L2284[23:41:33] <_habnabit> or... you could do each file in turn, since this is unsafe _and_ on the far side of the disk/memory tradeoff

L2285[23:41:35]

<FatalDistraction> .I sqrt(-1)

L2286[23:41:45]

<FatalDistraction> uhhmmm

L2287[23:42:10]

<FatalDistraction> I made sure to flush/replace variables at each For loop, so that there's not any memory overload

L2288[23:42:26]

<FatalDistraction> unless, the file exceeds RAM capacity, which probably should not happen

L2289[23:42:45] <_habnabit> you're loading in _every file_, and then writing out _every file_

L2290[23:42:57] <_habnabit> so you have to fit _every file_ in RAM

L2291[23:43:43]

<FatalDistraction> Oh.... I'll implement a repeat then

L2292[23:44:14] <v^> fatal, if discord actually had an official API ^v commands would work

L2293[23:45:03]

<FatalDistraction> There @_habnabit http://puu.sh/mIK1b/460deb2a49.png

L2294[23:45:37]

<FatalDistraction> Keep in mind, this will only be to encrypt a small OS

L2295[23:45:42]

<FatalDistraction> well, not small....

L2296[23:45:46]

<FatalDistraction> but smaller than memory

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L2298[23:46:02]

<FatalDistraction> It won't encrypt user files, only system files

L2299[23:46:14] <_habnabit> (by the way, what stops someone who isn't you from doing getData on the EEPROM?)

L2300[23:46:32]

<FatalDistraction> the VI is stored on the EEPROM, not the key

L2301[23:46:59]

<FatalDistraction> it'll take a long time, and someone who actually knows how, to decrypt the files using just the VI

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L2303[23:48:02]

<FatalDistraction> I'm going to make it so that it'll be nearly impossible to view or copy system files

L2304[23:48:14] <_habnabit> but then how does the key get entered

L2305[23:48:15] <v^> .l a=2^52 while a~=a+1 do a=a+1 end return a

L2306[23:48:16] <^v4> v^, Time limit exeeded.

L2307[23:48:20] <v^> <>l a=2^52 while a~=a+1 do a=a+1 end return a

L2308[23:48:24] <v^> er wut

L2309[23:48:28]

<FatalDistraction> I'll make a password prompt on boot, from the EEPROM

L2310[23:48:29] <v^> <> a=2^52 while a~=a+1 do a=a+1 end return a

L2311[23:48:45]

<FatalDistraction> there's still like ~3KB of space on it, that should be plenty

L2312[23:49:28] <v^> ah

L2313[23:49:33] <v^> its 2^53

L2314[23:49:51] <v^> .l 2^53==(2^53)+1

L2315[23:49:52] <^v4> v^, true

L2316[23:50:00] <v^> so 53 bit primes

L2317[23:50:33] <_habnabit> that is, of course, if they actually know and care about that precision limit

L2318[23:50:49] <_habnabit> perhaps they're not actually primes at all

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L2321[23:55:02] <v^> _habnabit, they probably arent primes

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