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L16[02:13:16] <MrWonderful2012> Where is
the source for the network and Internet api
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L20[02:27:05] <MrWonderful2012> Apparently
it is possible to spoof the sender address of a ping
L21[02:29:26] <MrWonderful2012> I am
curious what happens if you send someone a ping with a spoofed
sender address that is the same as your target
L22[02:29:57] <Sandra> it'd ping itself,
clearly.
L23[02:30:09] <MrWonderful2012> Yeah
L24[02:30:36] <MrWonderful2012> But is it
possible to make a computer ping itself infinitely with 1
ping
L25[02:31:48] <Sandra> does the return ping
have the same format as the send ping?
L26[02:31:51] <Sandra> it wouldn't would
it.
L27[02:32:14] <MrWonderful2012> I will
check
L28[02:32:22] <MrWonderful2012> I hope it
does
L29[02:33:43] <Sandra> if so..... it would
if there's a loop in the system.
L30[02:34:03] <Sandra> i don't believe a
network card can receive a message addressed to itself.
L31[02:34:12] <Sandra> without a network
loop.
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L56[03:58:56] <Sangar> o/
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L58[04:00:56] <Sulljason> \o I learned my
laptop only supports DDR3L explains why I got a memory beep code
when I tried putting the DDR3 SODIMM in
L59[04:01:12] <Sulljason> Gosh darn Intel
5th gen only supporting DDR3L
L60[04:02:11] <Sangar> just download more
ram ;)
L61[04:02:20] <Sulljason> True.
L62[04:02:32] <Sulljason> The 15W CPU+GPU
is pretty fracking amazing tho
L63[04:02:52] <Sulljason> The harddrive
gets much warmer than the CPU under load it's weird.
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L67[04:12:03] <Sulljason> "Further
advantages result from the revised microarchitecture of Broadwell.
Due to its improved branch prediction, bigger buffer sizes (1500
instead of 1000 entries in the L2 TLB) and other tweaks, the
performance per clock has been increased by more than 5 percent
over its predecessor."
L68[04:12:17] <Sulljason> Woo 5% them look
aside buffers/
L69[04:13:10] <Sulljason> Idk does what I
want and doesn't bake my lap. Has pretty crazy battery life too.
Like 8h or so.
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L71[04:24:59] <Sulljason> Sangar: What does
POSIX offer? Like as in Lua POSIX?
L72[04:25:29] <Sulljason> Nvm found their
reference.
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L76[04:26:03] <Vexatos> am I doing this
right?
L77[04:26:48] <asie> no! :D
L78[04:26:55] <asie> you're supposed to
override the raytracer
L79[04:27:04] <asie> look at
BlockGenericPipe in BC on how to do it, or ask Sangar
L80[04:27:14] <Sangar> uhh
L81[04:27:44] <asie> he's essentially
making a bounding box based on connections
L82[04:27:46] <asie> but it's still a
single box
L83[04:27:52] <Sulljason> Ok POSIX is to
low level for what I wanted. Don't want to manually specify the
bytes of my ICMP packets lol.
L84[04:27:55] <asie> Vexatos: if you want
to release it ASAP, it works
L85[04:27:58] <Sangar> right
L86[04:28:07] <Sangar> so what i do because
i'm lazy :P
L87[04:28:07] <Sulljason> Anyone know of a
Lua library that gives a simple ping function?
L88[04:28:54] <Sangar> the only thing that
might need double checking is the state-based bounds setting;
remember having issues there because the state is saved in the
block instance and that's shared by server and client thread...
because why wouldn't it be
L89[04:29:14] <Sangar> so i had to
synchronize in some funky ways
L90[04:29:21] <Vexatos> asie: "Ask
sangar"
L91[04:29:29] <Vexatos> I literally copied
this stuff from Sangar
L92[04:29:35] <Vexatos> I am a mod
translator, remember?
L93[04:29:41] <Vexatos> Thus I translated
OC's code to Java
L94[04:29:42] <Vexatos> :3
L95[04:30:01] <Vexatos> it's literally
copypasta of Sangar's Cable renderer
L96[04:30:04] <Vexatos> which is, imo, the
best one
L97[04:30:47] <Vexatos> Sangar, what does
setBoundingBoxBasedOnState even do
L98[04:30:50] <Sulljason> Why does Lua
socket have all these bells and whistles like FTP and HTTP but no
ICMP...
L99[04:31:06] <Sulljason> isnt bounding box
its collision?
L100[04:31:18] <Vexatos> yes, but there
are like 5 methods related
L101[04:31:26] <Sandra> collision &
hover over box.
L102[04:31:29] <Sangar> Vexatos, what the
name says? :X
L103[04:31:45] <Vexatos>
getCollisionBoundingBoxFromPool, getSelectedBoundingBoxFromPool and
setBlockBoundsBasedOnState
L104[04:31:52] <Vexatos> Sangar, but,
well, when is it called
L105[04:31:53] <Sulljason> Transformer
cables!
L106[04:31:55] <Vexatos> compared to
getCollisionBoundingBoxFromPool,
L107[04:31:55] <Sangar> some are called
from item rendering, some from collision checks, something along
those lines iirc
L108[04:32:07] <Vexatos> and how do I make
it synchronized >_>
L109[04:32:46] <Sulljason> To parallelise
it?
L110[04:33:19] <Sangar> you'll probably
want synchronization where it's used right after it's accessed,
such as collisionRayTrace and getCollisionBoundingBoxFromPool
L111[04:33:28] <Sangar> that's the two
spots i can see right away in oc code
L112[04:33:33] <Sangar> might be more i'm
forgetting
L113[04:33:42] <Vexatos> collisionRayTrace
isn't synchronized by default .-.
L114[04:33:54] <Vexatos> but yea
L115[04:33:55] <Vexatos> sooo
L116[04:33:58] <Sangar> yeah
L117[04:34:04] <Vexatos> how do I make
something synchronized in Java .-.
L118[04:34:07] <Sangar> which is why you
could fall through cables in early oc versions :X
L119[04:34:10] *
Vexatos has never done this
L120[04:34:12] <Sulljason> Oh ya
sychronized means lock all the things!
L121[04:34:21] <Sangar> synchronized(this)
{}
L122[04:34:25] <Sangar> where this is the
block instance
L123[04:35:05] <Sulljason> Isn't all the
physics in the main world thread?
L124[04:35:20] <Sulljason> Sangar: Im not
fully understanding why collision needs synchronization.
L125[04:35:38] <Sangar> Sulljason, because
rendering can derp the bounds between the state being set and the
server doing the check
L126[04:35:47] <Vexatos> sooo
synchronized(this) {
L127[04:35:47] <Vexatos> return
super.collisionRayTrace(world, x, y, z, start, end);
L128[04:35:47] <Vexatos> }
L130[04:36:16] <Vexatos> sangar, that's
exactly what I'm looking at right now
L131[04:36:18] <Sangar> k
L132[04:36:22] <Vexatos> like, I stole
half the code from there
L133[04:36:27] <Sangar> heh
L134[04:36:27] <Vexatos> and the other
half from Cable.scala
L135[04:36:36] <Sulljason> Sangar: Still
not fully understanding isn't rendering completely decoupled from
the world simulation?
L136[04:36:40] <Sangar> good luck then. i
haven't really touched that in a looong time
L137[04:36:46] <Sangar> Sulljason, that's
the thing
L138[04:36:48] <Sangar> it isn't
L139[04:36:53] <Sulljason> Ewwwww
L140[04:36:55] <Sangar> because the bounds
are stored in fields in the block instance
L141[04:36:59] <Sangar> and that instance
is shared
L142[04:37:05] <Sangar> between client and
server thread
L143[04:37:08] <Vexatos> asie, do you like
this attempt though?
L144[04:37:13] <Sangar> so yes, it's only
an issue in singleplayer
L145[04:37:14] <Vexatos> It's way easier
than having multiple boxes >_>
L146[04:37:32] <Sulljason> Afaik you
should treat rendering like showing a snapshot of the world
state.
L147[04:37:47] <Sulljason> Least thats
whats made sense to me as a design principal.
L148[04:38:04] <Vexatos> also, asie,
uuuuh
L149[04:38:06] <Sangar> that would be
nice, wouldn't it? but it changes state, so yey :P
L150[04:38:11] <Vexatos> there still is
one issue we haven't talked about
L151[04:38:16] <Vexatos> like
L152[04:38:17] <Vexatos> we have
L153[04:38:21] <Vexatos> but we haven't
decided on it
L154[04:38:33] <asie> oh yes
L155[04:38:34] <asie> oc
componentialism
L156[04:38:36] <asie> i'd say not
yet
L157[04:38:42] <asie> and yes when we add
iron note block/beep card compat
L158[04:38:52] <asie> though i'd rather
make audio cables connect to OC components
L159[04:38:54] <Vexatos> because this
image of one huge wall of speakers
L160[04:38:54] <asie> not the other way
around
L162[04:38:59] <Sulljason> So cool because
of that all the collision code requires synchronization and mutex
locking?
L163[04:38:59] <asie> that's
retarded
L164[04:39:01] <asie> stop
L165[04:39:04] <Vexatos> but asie, you can
already do it
L166[04:39:06] <Sandra> audio
cables?
L167[04:39:09] <asie> Vexatos: i
know
L168[04:39:13] <Vexatos> only difference
is that you need moar cables
L169[04:39:13] <asie> but it's retarded to
make that even easier
L170[04:39:17] <Vexatos> also, here is a
suggestion
L171[04:39:18] <Sandra> what are you
doing?
L172[04:39:29] <asie> Sandra: audio cables
for computronics tape drives
L173[04:39:31] <Vexatos> synchronize the
position of the sound with the client, too
L174[04:39:31] <asie> and speakers
L175[04:39:38] <asie> i don't?
L176[04:39:43] <Vexatos> so all speakers
play the packet at the exact same "position in
time"
L177[04:39:43] <Sandra>
niiiiiiiiiice.
L178[04:39:46] <Vexatos> no
L179[04:39:47] <asie> Vexatos: i
can't
L180[04:39:50] <Vexatos> if you send a
packet
L181[04:39:53] <Vexatos> and then add a
new speaker
L182[04:39:56] <asie> yes
L183[04:39:58] <Vexatos> it will get the
same packet
L184[04:39:58] <asie> then turn it off and
on again
L185[04:40:00] <asie> and it will
work
L186[04:40:05] <Vexatos> yes indeed
L187[04:40:07] <Vexatos> it is a minor
bug
L188[04:40:11] <asie> you cannot easily
sync because minecraft's networking is not meant for this
L189[04:40:13] <asie> it really
isn't
L190[04:40:16] <Vexatos> only occuring
when changing layout
L191[04:40:19] <asie> it adds a lot of
even random delays
L192[04:40:22] <Vexatos> yea
L193[04:40:26] <asie> it's better in 1.8
because 1.8's networking is a separate thread
L194[04:40:28] <Sangar> Sulljason,
basically
L195[04:40:29] <Vexatos> but once that
packet it played
L196[04:40:32] <Vexatos> it's all safe
again
L197[04:40:35] <asie> but in 1.7.10
networking is only read off in a specific moment of a tick
L198[04:40:41] <Vexatos> sooo, no
Node-propagation yet?
L199[04:40:44] <asie> nah
L200[04:40:51] <Vexatos> meh... ok
L201[04:40:51] <Sangar> aside from falling
through cables that also led to robots occasionally destroying
themselves iirc :P
L203[04:41:11] <Vexatos> I need
suggestions
L204[04:41:40] <Sulljason> Sangar: You
can't lock primitives right? So then you gotta wrap all ur vertices
wasting memory and slow access for computation.
L205[04:41:55] <Sandra> Vexatos,
why?
L206[04:42:11] <Vexatos> Sandra, I need
functions to put on this thing
L207[04:42:15] <Vexatos> I have no idea
what
L208[04:42:27] <Sandra> but.... why does
it need to exist at all?
L209[04:42:42] <Sangar> Sulljason,
synching on the block in the respective methods did the trick, so
it's really not that bad. just annoying.
L210[04:42:57] <Sangar> Vexatos, i saw.
make precompiled patterns with userdata :P
L211[04:43:38] <Sulljason> Synchronizing
to do a 1 instruction operation in a single threaded world cause
for some reason the GPU is modifying world state. \o/
L212[04:43:46] <Vexatos> Sangar, but
userdata is meh
L213[04:44:00] <Sangar> /s
L214[04:44:04] <Vexatos> I mean
L215[04:44:17] <Vexatos> It'd be awesome
if you could just return tables with metatables :P
L216[04:44:41] <Vexatos> so you can do for
m in regex.gmatch("bwahahaha",
"ermahgurdproperregex")
L217[04:45:04] <Sulljason> It'ld be
awesome if lua sockets supported ICMP. I mean they support flippin
mail proticols. -.-
L218[04:45:05] <Sangar> well, userdata
does expose all (/most of?) the metatable stuff like call, index,
newindex ;)
L219[04:45:09] <Vexatos> asie: Is the
thing done otherwise?
L220[04:45:16] <asie> Vexatos: pretty
much
L221[04:45:19] <Vexatos> like, anything
you haven't pushed or such?
L222[04:45:25] <asie> go for it
L223[04:45:28] <Sandra> why do you need to
have java regex at all?
L224[04:45:47] <Sandra> lua has pattern
matching.
L225[04:45:56] <Vexatos> asie: May I make
the cable texture brighter
L226[04:45:59] <Vexatos> and
colourable?
L227[04:46:13] <Vexatos> and default
colour simply being grey instead of white?
L228[04:46:15] <Vexatos> <_>
L229[04:52:09] <Sulljason> Sangar: Are
pings the right thing to use for a heartbeat to a server or is
there a better ICMP packet type to use? o.0
L230[04:52:30] <Sangar> idk
L231[04:53:10] <Sulljason> K thanks
anyways. :3
L232[04:54:03] <Sulljason> Wow even python
doesn't have a simple way to send a ping without relying on the
shell and getting the commands terminate signal.
L233[04:54:12] <Sulljason> Never though
sending a ping would be this complicated. -.-
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L306[05:15:12] <Sulljason> Sangar: Ideas
how to tell if I'm on my LAN?
L307[05:15:31] <Sulljason> So it doesn't
spam me that my servers fallen over cause I'm at a friends
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L310[05:16:26] <Sangar> don't spam? :P
i.e. print once, then wait for user input?
L311[05:17:28] <Sulljason> To clarify I'm
making a Lua cron job that pings my local server and sees if it
responds if not pushes a notification to my desktop.
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L326[05:18:57] <Sulljason> I'm using
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L341[05:22:12] <Izaya> whoaaa
L342[05:22:12] <Izaya> also gah the only
file I wanted off this box is unreadable
L343[05:30:44] <Izaya> How are you pushing
the notification?
L344[05:30:52] <Izaya> Also, do you use
DHCP?
L345[05:31:19] <Izaya> You could check
your DHCP server string against the one recorded to see if you're
at home
L346[05:34:33] <Sulljason> Yes :3
L347[05:35:01] <Sulljason> notify-send is
the command to push a notification on window managers that support
some freedesktop spec
L348[05:35:10] <Sulljason> Rlly most the
major ones
L349[05:37:23] <Sulljason> Izaya: DHCP
servers have names?
L350[05:40:34] <Izaya> Well, when I use
dhcpcd, it tells me it's getting an address from 'TP-LINK'
L351[05:43:09] <Sulljason> Sangar: Stupid
question but when you connect to a new network ARP cache is flushed
right?
L352[05:44:34] <Sangar> not really a
networking person :P most people in here would probably be better
suited to answer those questions than me ;)
L353[05:45:10] <Sulljason> K, not finding
a command to give DHCP servers hostname.
L354[05:46:07] <Vexatos> sooooooo
asie
L355[05:46:12] <Vexatos> I may or may not
have just done a thing
L356[05:50:32] <Vexatos> asie....
L357[05:50:32] <Vexatos> help
L358[05:50:32] <Vexatos> what am I
doing
L359[05:50:32] <Vexatos> D:
L362[05:51:57] <dangranos> Vexatos:
um..
L363[05:52:05] <asie> Vexatos:
lovely
L364[05:52:06] <dangranos> are cypher
blocks?
L365[05:52:07] <asie> except
L366[05:52:09] <dangranos> *those
L367[05:52:09] <asie> WHY
L368[05:52:17] <dangranos> or what is
it?
L369[05:52:28] <Sangar> colorful cables
:P
L370[05:52:33] <dangranos> ...those are
not BC pipes, are those?
L371[05:52:35] <dangranos> oh
L372[05:53:14] *
dangranos goes back to butchering poor Shocky bot
L373[05:54:40] <Vexatos> asie: I just
wanted them colourable
L375[05:54:48] <Vexatos> sooo I thought I
might as well make this a thing
L376[05:54:54] <Vexatos> also, connections
are cached now
L377[05:54:59] <Vexatos> updating once a
tick in updateEntity
L378[05:55:05] <Vexatos> so connect()
simply refers to a connection mask
L379[05:55:18] <Vexatos> connects*
L380[05:56:37] <Vexatos> asie: That does
mean however that I will have to make the texture much
brighter
L381[05:56:40] <Vexatos> to match the
machines
L382[05:56:51] <Vexatos> I'll simply have
grey be the default colour if you want, asie
L383[05:59:41] <Sandra> i love those
issues that someone opens, says some incorrect grammar stuff then
immediately closes.
L384[05:59:48] <Sandra> there's a
surprising number in OC.
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L386[06:00:56] <Sangar> he actually also
commented on some issues just swearing without any recognizable
context. and immediately deleted that (email notifications,
yay).
L387[06:01:01] <Sangar> i blocked him
now
L388[06:01:12] <Sangar> because i cba to
bother with that crap
L389[06:08:15] <Elizabeth> was that the
"subscrive you c***" one?
L390[06:09:00] <dangranos> yup
L391[06:09:05] <dangranos> oh
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L393[06:11:32] <Izaya> Ah, that fresh
Windows feeling
L394[06:11:49] <Sulljason> "This
should work for most systems but it looks like there are a few bugs
lurking in the kernel's ACPI for Thinkpads."
L395[06:11:52] <Sulljason> :(
L396[06:11:58] <Izaya> It's not running
like shit yet, there's still space on the drive, you have no
drivers...
L397[06:12:10] <Sulljason> Forgot ACPI
isnt just power managment.
L398[06:12:53] <Izaya> for all they say
Windows is easy to use
L399[06:12:59] <Izaya> the interface is
obtuse
L400[06:13:08] <Izaya> and installing
drivers is a real pain
L401[06:13:10] <Sulljason> Anyone know if
@reboot in cron is just for reboots or any boot?
L402[06:13:18] <Izaya> Any boot.
L403[06:13:22] <Sulljason> Izaya: Ya the
ones that the OS doesn't fetch.
L404[06:13:31] <Izaya> Any boot is a
reboot, if you think about it
L405[06:13:46] <Sulljason> Ya but now
reboots are actually dif :3
L406[06:13:52] <Elizabeth> to reboot: pick
up boots and put them on again
L407[06:13:56] <Sulljason> Some UEFI
call.
L408[06:14:16] <Izaya> fsck
L409[06:14:23] <Izaya> firefox is crashing
on me
L410[06:14:52] <Izaya> <3
qutebrowser
L411[06:15:16] <Sulljason> I tried
tolerating Windows 10 that came with my new Lenovo machine to play
rocket league till the Linux port is done. But I just couldn't live
without a bash shell.
L412[06:15:24] <Sulljason> I didnt feel
like learning power shell.
L413[06:15:39] <Elizabeth> powershell is
eughh
L414[06:15:45] <Izaya> Sulljason, I deal
with Windows 8 on this tablet
L415[06:15:55] <Izaya> I have a VNC viewer
installed
L416[06:15:59] <Izaya> problem solved
:D
L417[06:16:05] *
Vexatos pokes asie
L418[06:16:10] <Vexatos> The ideas
are:
L419[06:16:19] <Vexatos> Have cables grey
by default
L420[06:16:25] <Sulljason> Winderps 10
requires secure boot and distro I wanted didn't work would drop me
to grub so after 3 installs messing with settings I finally gave up
and fell back to no secure boot with legacy boot in UEFI
L421[06:16:28] <Vexatos> and have them
connect to white blocks by default
L422[06:16:33] <Vexatos> (since the
blocks' default color is white)
L423[06:16:37] <Vexatos> How does that
sound?
L424[06:16:38] <Vexatos> :P
L425[06:16:49] <Izaya> BIOS is easier to
work with than UEFI
L426[06:17:06] <Izaya> Hence why I have my
desktop in BIOS mode
L427[06:17:22] <Sulljason> UEFI does have
more bells and whistles. But now firmwares rlly complex and buggy.
lol
L428[06:17:38] <Izaya> UEFI has some cool
stuff
L429[06:17:47] <Sulljason> It's aware of
filesystems!
L430[06:18:00] <Izaya> but it's currently
Windows-oriented and near-useless to me
L431[06:18:11] <Izaya> The way it manages
boot options is cool
L432[06:18:12] <Sulljason> And if u need a
mouse and screenshots and networking in ur firmware for some weirdo
reason.
L433[06:18:18] <Izaya> now if that
actually worked...
L434[06:18:24] <asie> Vexatos: then make
cables white by default
L435[06:18:36] <asie> or give uncolored
ones a diff. textures
L436[06:18:38] <asie> texture*
L438[06:18:55] <Vexatos> doing image with
white cables now
L439[06:18:58] <Sulljason> Can have the
GPU recolor em to conserve VRAM or something.
L441[06:19:42] <Vexatos> asie ^
L442[06:19:43] <Vexatos> this is
white
L443[06:19:55] <Sulljason> Idk there
should be a way to do it without texture for each color since
they're just solid color.
L444[06:20:27] <Izaya> ooooooh audio
cables?
L445[06:21:00] <Sulljason> I demand red
and white for stereo!
L446[06:21:47] <Vexatos> what do you
think, asie? I actually like grey a lot more as the default; It may
be confusing to have grey connect to anything on cables, but see it
like that: any cable connects to a white machine. grey cables
connect to any machine. meaning grey machines can still be
connected using grey cables and white machines still using white
cables
L447[06:21:47] <Sulljason> Would be neat
if they took glass and were TOSLINK.
L448[06:22:09] <Vexatos> it's that both
grey and white would be "default" colors, pretty
much
L449[06:22:21] <Vexatos> grey being the
actual default, white connecting to any uncoloured machine
L450[06:22:22] <Sangar> Elizabeth, yep,
that one
L451[06:22:24] <Vexatos> (since those are
white)
L452[06:22:44] <Vexatos> grey would
connect to any machine, white to all uncoloured machines
L453[06:22:53] <Vexatos> I actually quite
like this idea
L454[06:22:55] *
Vexatos pokes asie
L455[06:24:42] <Vexatos> oh, also, grey
would connect to any cable, white only to white or grey
cables
L456[06:24:48] <Vexatos> (It's light grey,
btw, not grey)
L457[06:25:42] <Sulljason> sudo echo
enable > /proc/acpi/ibm/bluetooth bash:
/proc/acpi/ibm/bluetooth: Permission denied
L458[06:25:44] <Sulljason> o.O
L459[06:25:53] <Izaya> am I doing it right
if I have n+1 firefox addons and the machine to run them?
L460[06:26:32] <Sulljason> nvm theres a
bluetooth command I can pass on and off
L461[06:29:48] <Vexatos> asie: Also,
should I merge the rip-nedo branch?
L462[06:31:39] <Elizabeth> Sulljason,
you're running the echo command as sudo, but not opening the file
using it
L464[06:32:04] <MichiBot> Sat Nov 14
06:31:30 CST 2015 @Croxmata: Finally some progress again. It has
been a while.
https://t.co/po0Ak1ZJv4
L465[06:32:22] <Sulljason> Elizabeth:
Thanks that makes a lot of sense. :)
L466[06:32:35] <Izaya> ... It's easier to
get FO2 running on Linux under WINE than on real Windows
L467[06:33:13] <Vexatos> Izaya, wine on
linux on virtualbox on windows
L468[06:33:14] <Vexatos> easy
L469[06:34:14] <Izaya> Vexatos, but then
you have to run windows on hardware
L470[06:34:17] <Izaya> aka ewwwwwww
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L472[06:35:39] <Sulljason> How often does
all stars in cron run again?
L473[06:36:17] <Izaya> every minute
L474[06:36:20] <Izaya> IIRC
L475[06:37:58] <Sulljason> Izaya: K
thanks. :)
L476[06:39:20] <Vexatos> hmmm asie
L477[06:39:22] <Vexatos> is it just
me
L478[06:39:36] <Vexatos> or is the delay
between stopping a tape and the music actually stopping bigger than
it was before
L479[06:42:28] <Izaya> what the fuck is
with Windows audio?
L480[06:42:54] <Sulljason> Izaya: You must
have the weirdest hardware ever
L481[06:43:13] <Izaya> hurr durr service
isn't enabled, hurr durr enabled, hurr durr service disables
itself
L482[06:43:30] <Sulljason> Also cron isn't
mailing me :( I have a mailbox afaik since mail says I have no
mail
L483[06:43:30] <Izaya> Sulljason, it was
made in 2015 and I want to run Windows 7 onnit
L484[06:44:03] <Izaya> oh it was the
drivers on the CD
L485[06:44:10] <Izaya> gg gigabyte
>.<
L486[06:44:38] <Sulljason> Why does the
mail command work when I dont have a mail server to route it
o.0
L487[06:44:45] <Sulljason> guess
technically I can still have a mailbox
L488[06:44:55] <Sulljason> postfix with
local only config saves the day. \o/
L489[06:45:02] <Sulljason> That isn't a
security risk right?
L490[06:45:27] <Sangar> Mimiru, so, about
that broken server
L491[06:45:44] <Sulljason> Oh ya that's
why my script isn't working notify-send needs a session to push too
-.-
L492[06:45:58] <Izaya> Sulljason, provided
it isn't outward-facing, it should be safe
L493[06:45:59] <Elizabeth> Sulljason, i
think you can tell postfix not to listen to outside
connections
L494[06:46:40] <Izaya> Oh my haruhi
7200RPM is so fast compared to laptop drives :D
L495[06:47:29] <Sulljason> Elizabeth: So
the local only default configuration should be safe?
L496[06:47:37] <Elizabeth> yes
L497[06:47:38] <Sulljason> Izaya: My
laptop has a 7200RPM drive
L498[06:48:15] <Izaya> My Windows on my
desktop was previously running off a slow 250GB laptop drive
L499[06:49:01] <Sulljason> Does postfix
automatically clean up old mail or should I do that my self to stop
the mailbox from exploding
L500[06:49:05] <Sulljason> cause
cron...
L501[06:50:38] *
Vexatos pokes asie some more to answer his questions
L502[06:53:23] <Sulljason> Yay my
heartbeat thingy is done. \o/
L503[06:53:35] <Sulljason> Cron runs such
a stripped down environment
L504[06:55:05] <Sulljason> Elizabeth: Is
cron aware of my home by default?
L505[06:55:23] <Elizabeth> no
L506[06:55:35] <Sulljason> Does it respect
~?
L507[06:55:41] *
Elizabeth snrugs
L508[06:55:49] <Sulljason> K thanks.
:3
L509[06:56:39] <Elizabeth> i always use
full paths
L510[06:57:22] <Sulljason> For me it
respected ~ I added my HOME to my crontab to be safe
L511[06:58:18] <Sulljason> Commented out
HOME and it still found it so HOME is imported.
L512[06:58:25] <Sulljason> least in my
personal crontab
L514[07:08:30] <Sulljason> Some reason dev
nulling the job isn't making it not mail me...
L515[07:08:36] <Sulljason> what Google
says to do
L516[07:08:58] <Sulljason> * * * * * lua
~/ping.lua > /dev/null
L517[07:09:13] <Izaya>
&2&1>/dev/null or something?
L518[07:09:39] <Sulljason> That is one
option but > /dev/null is supposed to work :/
L519[07:09:57] <Izaya> that is only
stdout
L520[07:10:02] <Izaya> not stderr
L521[07:10:45] <Sulljason> oh
L522[07:10:50] <Sulljason> True...
L523[07:11:07] <Sulljason> I do have
errors cause ethtool can't query wake on LAN stuff
L524[07:11:26] <Sulljason> how I shove it
all in dev null
L526[07:12:29] <Sulljason> Nvm I was
stupid and talked be4 Googling
L527[07:12:38] <Sulljason> Ya I remember
1> etc now
L528[07:16:19] <Sulljason> Izaya: It
didn't mail me the errors thanks . :D
L529[07:17:00] ***
SleepingFairy is now known as Daiyousei
L530[07:23:51] <Izaya> fuck SMB is
slow
L531[07:24:02] <Izaya> why does Windows
not have NFS?
L532[07:25:31] <Sulljason> Izaya: Just
install Linux already ;)
L533[07:26:09] <Izaya> I have it
already
L534[07:26:21] <Izaya> but I'm setting up
Windows on a new HDD
L535[07:26:52] <Sulljason> Random weird
question: does cron run all jobs in parallel or serially
L536[07:27:00] <Sulljason>
sequentially*
L537[07:28:37] <Sulljason> Nvm Google
surpisingly had an exact answer. They're done in parallel.
L538[07:29:03] <Sulljason> Uk just spawn
more shell environments.
L539[07:30:45] ⇦
Quits: VikeStep (~VikeStep@101.184.94.18) (Read error: Connection
reset by peer)
L540[07:32:16] <Izaya> My computer must
freaking hate me
L541[07:32:49] <Izaya> installing like 8
things at once
L542[07:33:10] <Inari> Izaya: all the
piracy
L543[07:33:40] <Izaya> No actually, half
of that is Winderps-only steam games
L544[07:33:45] <Inari> :p
L545[07:33:58] <Izaya> Half
L546[07:34:01] <Inari> justlots of
"CODEX" and "SKIDR"
L547[07:34:09] <Inari> "no, no
officer, half of this actually is legal"
L548[07:34:27] <Izaya> And RG.
Mechanics
L549[07:34:28] <Sulljason> Is adding a job
for locate's updatedb a bad idea?
L550[07:34:36] <Sulljason> SO much faster
than find
L551[07:34:42] <Inari> no fallout 1?
L552[07:34:58] <Izaya> Fallout 1 is harder
than 2
L553[07:35:05] <Izaya> to get
running
L554[07:35:14] <Izaya> I'll just run it in
WINE
L555[07:35:15] <Inari> hm
L556[07:35:17] <Izaya> its easier
L557[07:35:22] <Inari> heh
L558[07:35:28] <Inari> well GMG version
shoudl run fine on win, no?
L559[07:35:30] <Inari> er
L560[07:35:31] <Inari> GOG
L561[07:35:37] <Izaya> nop
L562[07:36:11] <Izaya> have to install
unofficial patches to make it not crash out on startup because we
don't use 640x480 CRTs any more
L563[07:37:28] <Izaya> Now this is rather
odd, I have to choose what music to listen to...
L564[07:37:37] <Izaya> I think the
Transistor soundtrack, today
L565[07:39:21] <Izaya> "When you
speak, I hear silence... Every word a defiance..."
L566[07:40:28] <Izaya> Is Mad Max maxing
the CPU but running at a stable 60FPS normal?
L567[07:46:41] <Sulljason> Oh ya u can't
gzip a directory that makes tar's name make MUCH more sense
L568[07:46:54] <Sulljason> More about
glueing files into a blob than compression
L569[07:49:33] ***
surferconor425|Away is now known as surferconor425
L570[07:49:33] <S3> making a quiplash
plugin for my IRC bot
L572[07:52:27] <Vexatos> just watch
L573[07:52:47] <Sulljason> Anyone know if
its possible to change the bzip command tar uses?
L574[07:53:07] <Sulljason> I found a
parallel bzip implementation.
L575[07:53:32] <Izaya> Sulljason, I
usually rename it and symlink the parallel one
L576[07:53:43] <Sulljason> Crafty...
L577[07:54:02] <Sulljason> So it does just
secretely chain the commands?
L578[07:54:09] <Izaya> yup
L579[07:54:41] <Sulljason> No reason not
to use parallel compression other than a slight loss in
compression. But uk big files SO much faster.
L580[07:55:10] <Sulljason> Archive viewer
majjiger didnt seem to mind. \o/ so theres no downside
L581[07:55:20] <Sulljason> majigger8
L582[07:55:52] <Elizabeth> Sulljason,
multithreaded bzip/xz/gz is awesome
L583[07:55:54] <Elizabeth> .load
L584[07:55:54] <EnderBot2> CPU: 1.44 1.46
1.49 , RAM: 13.3G/31.3G (~42.3%), SWAP: 840.4M/88.2G (~0.9%)
L585[07:56:24] <Sulljason> Now if only we
could get an OpenCL implementation!
L586[07:56:41] <Izaya> I should add :load
to yukichan
L587[07:56:43] <Sulljason> Nah prolly
doesn't scale perfectly like that and omg bussing the files.
:/
L588[08:01:10] <S3> just build an
ASIC
L590[08:03:17] <Sulljason> Izaya: Thanks
for the idea the sym link worked.
L591[08:04:19] <Izaya> :D
L594[08:09:28] <Ekoserin> Am I missing
something here?
L595[08:09:45] <Izaya> Sanity.
L597[08:18:16] <Izaya> I can use teknik.io
too
L598[08:18:32] <Izaya> but
xfce4-screenshooter has an upload to imgur button
L600[08:21:38] <Izaya> GNOME?
L601[08:21:53] <Izaya> or am I losing my
shit?
L602[08:22:33] <Sulljason> Elementary OS
its custom but built on Gnome 2
L603[08:22:49] <Sulljason> ik the
community wants to throw them under a bus but so far it's the
prettiest distro ive found.
L604[08:22:57] <ds84182>
xfce4-screenshooter is best screenshooter
L605[08:23:04] <Sulljason> I'm a sucker
for tasteful animations etc lol
L606[08:23:31] <Ekoserin> Zorin OS looks
pretty. Supposedly helps Windows users switch.
L607[08:23:44] ***
alekso56 is now known as alekso56_off
L608[08:23:52] <Izaya> I use arch with
Xfce4, I take functionality over everything else
L609[08:24:15] <Sulljason> Also nice being
built on top of Ubuntu. Cause as far as most people are concerned
Linux starts and stops at Ubuntu -.-
L610[08:24:47] <Ekoserin> Zorin is the
only distro I know that has a paid version.
L611[08:24:57] <Izaya> Ekoserin, Robo
Linux
L612[08:24:59] <Sulljason> I've Redhat
dirivitives and it was really annoying how there was always a deb
or an ubuntu repo but no Redhat compatable one.
L613[08:25:03] <Izaya> for paranoid stupid
people
L614[08:25:07] <Sulljason> I've
tried*
L615[08:25:15] <Izaya> Arch has the
AUR
L616[08:25:28] <Izaya> basically
everything I'll ever need
L617[08:25:29] <Sulljason> Izaya: Paid and
doesn't break GPL? o.0
L618[08:25:51] <Izaya> Sulljason, It's a
'donation'
L619[08:25:59] <Izaya> which you need to
pay to get your download
L620[08:26:12] <Sulljason> Ah elementary
is kinda like that too you gotta enter 0 to not donate.
L621[08:26:58] <Vexatos> Sulljason, Linux
Mint pls
L622[08:27:06] <Vexatos> Elizabeth
approves
L623[08:27:26] <Izaya> LM is a solid
beginner distro
L624[08:27:48] <Sulljason> I'm not really
a beginner. Just like Google having relivent results.
L625[08:27:58] <Izaya> Not a huge fan of
Cinnamon, but MATE is okay and there's an XFCE version
L626[08:28:05] <Izaya> I'm not saying
younare
L627[08:28:06] <Sulljason> And Ubuntu's
market penetration is crazy so ya...
L628[08:28:17] <Izaya> I'm just saying
that's how I look at mint
L629[08:28:33] <Elizabeth> Izaya, eh, i
use mint because it's easy to set up and i generally don't have to
fuck about with stuff to get it working how i want
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L631[08:29:00] <Sulljason> Elizabeth: What
parent is it built on?
L632[08:29:07] <Izaya> Hey, if it does the
job
L633[08:29:14] <Vexatos> mint is
pretty
L634[08:29:21] <Elizabeth> Sulljason,
supposedly ubuntu but it's not as shit as ubuntu
L635[08:29:26] <Vexatos> and it has the
"window close" on the right side >_>
L636[08:29:28] <Vexatos> literally
L637[08:29:29] <Vexatos> <_>
L638[08:29:55] <Elizabeth> Vexatos, is
that a problem?
L639[08:30:03] <Sulljason> Vexatos:
Elementary has a tweak tool that makes it completely
customizable.
L640[08:30:08] <Vexatos> Elizabeth, it is
a good thing
L641[08:30:21] <Vexatos> The hardest part
from switching winderps->ubuntu is that .-.
L642[08:30:23] <Vexatos> in my
opinion
L643[08:30:32] <Vexatos> which is why I
didn't choose ubuntu :P
L644[08:30:35] <Sulljason> Can do OSX
style Windows style and everything inbetween as far as window
buttons go.
L645[08:31:10] <Izaya> I sorta like Window
Maker as a desktop environment
L646[08:31:18] <Sulljason> If Eclipse
could improve their GTK support that'ld be great.
L647[08:31:35] <Sulljason> If its not a
package tailored for the distro it tends to explode and look
awful
L648[08:32:46] <Sulljason> Idk why they
don't maintain packages of stable releases. :( You gotta install it
ur self.
L649[08:32:50] <Sulljason> y
L650[08:32:55] <Sulljason> Whoops
L651[08:33:59] <Sulljason> Vexatos: Mint
doesn't have a dock. :/ I've gotten used to having a dock.
L652[08:35:28] <Sulljason> Wow Zorin looks
a lot like Windows 7
L653[08:35:47] <Vexatos> you can add a
dock
L654[08:35:48] <Vexatos> like
L655[08:35:53] <Vexatos> cinnadock
L657[08:37:12] <Vexatos> mint cinnamon
really has quite a lot of extensions available :P
L658[08:37:25] <Sulljason> Does it have
fancy animated minimalist notifications?
L659[08:37:30] <Izaya> mint cinnamon
really takes a lot of resources
L660[08:37:43] <Izaya> not as bad as Unity
though
L661[08:38:07] <Izaya> pretty hard to pull
off 'worse than Unity' though
L662[08:38:11] <Vexatos> Sulljason, it
actually does
L663[08:38:19] <Sulljason> Elementaries
designed to be light. Afaik it is idle desktop is like
500-600MB
L664[08:38:22] <Vexatos> lessee
L665[08:38:33] <Vexatos> 180MiB on
cinnamon right now
L666[08:38:33] <Vexatos> and
L667[08:38:41] <Vexatos> 220 on xorg
L668[08:38:48] <Vexatos> sooo yea
L669[08:38:52] <Izaya> 7 for
windowmaker
L670[08:38:56] <Vexatos> still better than
windows
L671[08:39:01] <Sulljason> 38MB on my old
Debian minimal server!
L672[08:39:12] <S3> ew debian
L673[08:39:17] <Vexatos> I wonder if
there'd be a way to make Xorg use less wam
L674[08:39:18] <Vexatos> :/
L675[08:39:28] <Sulljason> It's nice till
u want a current package XD
L676[08:39:41] <Sulljason> As far as
Debian stable goes
L678[08:41:48] <S3> I just compile
everything
L679[08:41:52] <S3> so I don't worry about
that
L680[08:42:39] <Elizabeth> why the fuck
does Athar have wpasupplicant on it...
L681[08:42:52] <S3> compiling software is
now faster than installing software from CD years ago
L683[08:46:41] <Sulljason> io.lines cleans
up after itself right?
L684[08:46:47] <Sulljason> like closing
the file stream
L685[08:47:30] <S3> "closing the
filesystem"
L686[08:47:32] <S3> .... wat
L687[08:48:21] <Elizabeth> S3, file
stream, not silesystem
L688[08:48:36] <Sulljason> Ya does it
close the file it reads
L690[08:48:41] <S3> wow I need
glasses
L692[08:50:12] <Vexatos> Oh, more people
here
L694[08:50:16] <Vexatos> noone has
suggested anything yet
L695[08:50:23] <Vexatos> I can't make a
card that does nothing D;
L696[08:50:34] <Vexatos> And Sangar: I
have no idea how the userdata pattern thingers would work
L697[08:50:49] <S3> I just realized
Elizabeth that OCBSD's unmanaged disk IO allows for a real, proper
seek()
L698[08:50:55] <Skye> Vexatos, make a mull
card
L699[08:51:03] <S3> easier than what it
could have been
L700[08:51:12] <Elizabeth> S3, and you're
telling me this, why?
L701[08:51:23] <S3> I actually do not know
why I am telling you this.
L702[08:52:24] <Vexatos> Skye, would it
think of ideas for me?
L703[08:53:30] <Izaya> network what the
shit
L704[08:53:49] <Skye> Vexatos: it would
literally do nothing
L706[08:54:11] <Izaya> 'Server not
found'
L707[08:55:23] <Izaya> right
L708[08:55:28] <Izaya> router has lost its
shit
L709[08:56:38] <Elizabeth> ... my laptop
takes a while to set up tcp connections but when it does they go
really fast... dafuq
L710[08:56:39] <Skye> Eep
L711[08:58:01] <Elizabeth> like, it takes
a good 5 or so seconds before any webpage will start loading
L712[08:58:52] *
Elizabeth wonders when vifino will wake up
L713[09:00:20] <Elizabeth> wtf gitlab, y
are your servers slow?
L714[09:00:26] <Inari> Elizabeth: how long
does irc connection take?
L715[09:00:32] <Elizabeth> Inari, no
idea
L716[09:00:47] <Elizabeth> doing an
apt-get upgrade with gitlab needing an update stalls
L717[09:01:16] <Elizabeth> *note: gitlab
is on my server, the connections taking 5 or so seconds to start is
on my laptop
L718[09:02:17] <Elizabeth> hmm, i think it
might be because the dns lookups take a while... though that
shouldn't be an issue when i'm just going to the same site
L719[09:03:14] <Elizabeth> what dns
servers is my laptop using...
L720[09:03:45] <Elizabeth> oh, the router.
lets change that to google's dns and see what happens
L721[09:04:53] <Elizabeth> meh, still
about the same
L722[09:06:52] <Elizabeth> also casually
using a Power Mac G4 as a mousepad
L724[09:08:03] <Izaya> casually using a
2008 Mac Pro as a footrest
L725[09:08:07] <S3> mousepads are pretty
deprecated with optical mice
L726[09:08:07] <Izaya> most use it
is
L727[09:08:27] <Elizabeth> and 2 hp P4
compaq boxes on their side as a desk because my main desk is the
over side of the room to the radiator
L728[09:08:51] <Elizabeth> S3, yeah, but
using it on my leg is a pain
L730[09:09:15] <S3> use eye tracking
L732[09:09:22] <S3> O M G
L733[09:09:27] <S3> eye tracking in an FPS
would be so hard
L734[09:09:39] <Elizabeth> Full dive would
be even better
L736[09:10:45] <S3> As you probably know
I've been building my MUD which is meant to work with the
phasespace system or other VR tracking systems and HMDs, etc, and
that's comin along. Could use that
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L740[09:14:55] <MGR> I'm filling out my
modpack spreadsheet on AtLauncher :D
L742[09:15:30] <S3> orthoplex64: your nick
reminds me of an N64 game
L743[09:16:16] <orthoplex64> :P I made it
about six years ago. orthoplex was my favorite shape, 64 was my
favorite number
L744[09:16:50] <S3> not 65536?
L745[09:17:04] <Izaya> whattheshit, I
can't access google.com but I can connect to my VPS?
L746[09:17:16] <S3> Izaya: that's because
google.com is down
L747[09:17:20] <MGR> eyyyyyyy it's
S3
L748[09:17:33] <Izaya> wat
L749[09:17:36] <S3> eyyy its some guy I
don't know
L751[09:17:51] <S3> actually I probably
do
L752[09:17:55] <S3> but my memory is
pretty bad
L753[09:18:15] <orthoplex64> besides 1, 64
is the lowest integer that's a square and a cube
L754[09:18:16] <Izaya> and github is also
down, S3?
L756[09:18:26] <S3> Izaya: actually
nope
L757[09:18:30] <S3> www is down
L758[09:18:40] <MGR> S3, you don't know
me, but people ask for you every now and then when you are
away
L759[09:18:45] <Izaya> Okay, so as usual
my router is losing its shit
L760[09:18:55] <MGR> so, I just go
eyyyyyyyyyyy it's S3 whenever I see you XD
L761[09:19:04] <Elizabeth> Izaya, if you
can get to your VPS (assuming you mean the one I gave you) just use
it as a proxy :)
L762[09:19:23] <Izaya> Mmm I know, it's
just like what the fuck
L764[09:19:49] <Elizabeth> also Izaya,
where does your tinc daemon for 9net uplink to?
L765[09:19:53] <Izaya> I have a caching
http proxy chained to the SOCKS proxy, in face, Elizabeth
L766[09:20:02] <S3> im playing with the
multiplexer because I'm concerned that it isn't very scalable
design in projectred
L767[09:20:04] <Izaya> Elizabeth,
Stary2001's stuff
L768[09:20:34] <S3> Izaya: they be sellin
cisco ISR routers for like 100 bucks refurbished, 2900 series
L769[09:20:49] <Elizabeth> Izaya, ah, k.
if you don't already, put Athar's key in your hosts folder so in
the event Stary2001's stuff goes down you have a failover
L770[09:21:13] <Izaya> S3, do they have
ADSL2+?
L771[09:21:25] <Izaya> I can use my Cisco
switch as a PPPoE router
L772[09:21:30] <Izaya> but I'm lazy
L773[09:21:38] <Izaya> and have no wifi
APs either
L774[09:21:45] <Elizabeth> cause although
tinc will create connections to daemons it doesn't have a ConnectTo
for, if the device they were found through was in a ConnectTo and
it goes down all the learnt connections will also die
L775[09:22:01] <Elizabeth> same with the
localdiscovery option
L776[09:23:00] <Elizabeth> also, is it
possible to create a network share that's distributed across
multiple computers (IRL)?
L777[09:23:20] <Elizabeth> sorta like a
network based raid
L778[09:23:37] <Izaya> RAID'd NBD?
L779[09:23:41] <Izaya> what the fuck
L780[09:23:45] <Elizabeth> ?
L781[09:23:47] <S3> Izaya: you can get
ADSL2+ cards yes but they are like 200 bucks
L782[09:23:51] <S3> for the cisco
routers
L783[09:24:00] <Izaya> why am I suddenly
getting 30MB/s down
L784[09:24:00] <S3> I was thinking of
getting one
L785[09:24:11] <Izaya> ADSL2+ can't even
do that
L786[09:24:18] <S3> yes it can
L787[09:24:19] <Elizabeth> Izaya,
magic
L788[09:24:32] <S3> Izaya: adsl2+ supports
quite a bit of bandwidth
L789[09:24:41] <Izaya> Up to 24Mbps
L790[09:24:58] <S3> you sure that's not
just ADSL2?
L791[09:25:06] <Izaya> ADSL2+
L792[09:25:08] <S3> I was pretty sure
ADSL2+ was up to 50
L793[09:25:14] <Izaya> For another
thing
L795[09:25:22] <Izaya> 30MB/s is
300Mbps
L796[09:25:27] <Izaya> I have 100Mbps
LAN
L797[09:25:42] <S3> it is not..
L798[09:25:50] <S3> 30 MB is like, 250
Mbit.. about
L800[09:26:01] <Izaya> It's still
>100Mbps
L801[09:26:02] <S3> I was close
L803[09:26:21] <S3> Izaya: I almost got 5
up / 5 down here SDSL
L804[09:26:26] <S3> for $138/mo
L805[09:26:43] <S3> ADSL2+
L807[09:26:57] <Izaya> 22Mbps down,
3.5Mbps up, $75/month
L808[09:27:02] <S3> I messed up that last
line
L809[09:27:10] <S3> I meant to say "I
went with ADSL2+ instead"
L810[09:27:16] <S3> but I was looking into
SDSL
L811[09:27:30] <S3> which was 8 down 1 up
for me for like, 34 bucks /mo
L812[09:28:01] <S3> bthe expensive part of
SDSL is that they wanted to run a private line just for me to the
CO
L813[09:30:14] <S3> ugh I'm used to the
selector lines being veritcal not horrizontal that's fucking weird
project red why did you do that
L814[09:31:05] <Sangar> oh man, so much
hackery to get remote terminals to work again with the new system
:X
L815[09:31:34] <S3> Sangar: you broke
it?!
L816[09:31:42] <S3> this the new rack
system?
L817[09:31:46] <Sangar> and then i fixed
it again. somewhat. i think.
L818[09:31:50] <Sangar> ya
L819[09:32:55] <Sangar> welp,
saving/loading is still broken it looks like.
L820[09:33:54] <Vexatos> Sangar, I want
tuples in Java
L821[09:33:59] <Vexatos> D;
L822[09:34:21] <Vexatos> How am I supposed
to code in natural abundance like this .-.
L823[09:34:21] <Sangar> Vexatos, use
2-sized arrays :P
L824[09:34:33] <Sangar> or n-sized
L825[09:34:39] <Vexatos> Sangar, but I
need like 10 of them per element in the periodic table
L826[09:34:55] <Sangar> dafuq u doin
L827[09:35:02] <Vexatos> and only for the
constructor
L828[09:35:08] <Vexatos> because
internally it's a hashmap anyway
L829[09:35:16] <Sangar> varargs?
L830[09:35:56] <Vexatos> what
L831[09:36:25] <Vexatos> the constructor
needs to be able to receive an arbitrary number of integer-double
combinations
L832[09:36:38] <Vexatos> those pairs will
then be added to an internal hashmap
L833[09:36:56] <Sangar> void f(object...
args) or whatever the syntax was
L834[09:37:08] <Vexatos> eww
Object...
L835[09:37:11] <Sangar> and then just
f(key, value, key, value, ...) :P
L836[09:37:21] <Vexatos> so I am supposed
to parse stuff myself like some certain addShapedRecipes .-.
L837[09:37:27] <Vexatos>
addShapedRecipe*
L838[09:37:28] <Vexatos> D;
L839[09:38:15] <Sangar> :3
L840[09:39:12] <Vexatos> I am so totally
not making a periodic table in Java
L841[09:39:54] <S3> I need to calculate
the maximum frequency of my RAM
L842[09:39:59] <S3> in MC
L843[09:41:53] <S3> so the period is
300ms, therefore the maximum frequency of my RAM in Minecraft is ~
3.3 Hz
L844[09:42:29] <S3> not bad
L845[09:44:57] <gamax92> so the latency is
300ms
L846[09:48:09] <gamax92> therefor the
maximum framerate is 10/3
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L849[09:49:45] <S3> I wonder if the
integrated circuits floppy disk can be used with the floppdy drive
in OC
L850[09:50:01] <S3> because then I could
make some HDL software
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L852[09:51:36] <S3> Vic: I would love to
have that
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L856[10:04:37] <Sulljason> Izaya: When
taring are symbolic links followed to the original file?
L857[10:04:47] <Sulljason> Instead of just
taring the link file
L858[10:04:59] <Izaya> Dunno
L859[10:05:29] <Sulljason> Cause linking
to files I wanna backup is much faster than copying ;D
L860[10:05:38] <Sulljason> and I wont have
to have 2x the space
L861[10:08:51] <Elizabeth> Sulljason, i
think tar sees the links as actual files
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L863[10:10:24] <Sulljason> Ya it does
:/
L864[10:10:49] <Sulljason> "When
reading from an archive, the `--dereference' (`-h') option causes
tar to follow an already-existing symbolic link when tar writes or
reads a file named in the archive. Ordinarily, tar does not follow
such a link, though it may remove the link before writing a new
file."
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L866[10:13:10] <MGR> alright
L867[10:13:24] <MGR> Eat, then work, then
finish getting perms for my pack
L868[10:13:31] <MGR> busy day today
:D
L869[10:14:06] <MGR> I must go
L870[10:14:08] ⇦
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L872[10:19:43] <gamax92> Sangar: do you
mind if I steal all of buffer.lua because lua-posix
L873[10:20:51] <Sangar> go for it
L874[10:22:25] <Mimiru> Sangar, lemme see
if it's still broken
L875[10:22:47] <Sangar> gamax92, fix all
bugs you find while you're at it :P
L876[10:24:43] <gamax92> Sangar: is stream
just a handle you'd get from the fs api?
L877[10:25:11] <Mimiru> Also, Sangar I
found why term.read() returns nil for SecureOS, There is a login
prompt that displays right after boot, and if there are 2 screens
and keyboards the computer randomly picks which monitor to use and
term.read() returns nil if term goes away
L878[10:25:44] <Sangar> gamax92, sounds
like it
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L880[10:25:56] <gamax92> funny that
Multiple Monitors cause problems even in OpenComputers
L881[10:26:00] <gamax92> just like real
life...
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L883[10:26:16] <Mimiru> gamax92, erm, what
issues do they cause in real life?
L884[10:26:24] <Mimiru> Since I have 4...
and have like no issue.
L885[10:26:50] <Sangar> Mimiru, yeah, i
was expecting something like that. just need to figure out why that
wrecks the tile entity :X
L886[10:27:01] <Mimiru> Well, it's
flashing
L887[10:27:04] <Mimiru> lemme analyze
it
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L889[10:27:40] *
gamax92 cannot remember if fs api is blocking, assumes
no.
L890[10:27:53] <Vexatos> :(
L891[10:27:58] <Mimiru> Also, lol it's
complaining about nil in string.lower... and theres only one
monitor/keyboard
L892[10:27:59] <gamax92> :)
L893[10:28:05] <Vexatos> Sangar, why
doesn't anyone care for a regex card D;
L894[10:28:06] <Mimiru> AND it
disconnected my client
L895[10:28:26] <gamax92> cause fuck regex,
patterns are bootiful
L896[10:28:27] <Sangar> Vexatos, not
enough visibility? :P idk. i mean i'm pretty sure i wouldn't use
it, but that's just me :X
L898[10:28:39] <gamax92> I'm pretty sure I
wouldn't use it as well
L899[10:28:52] <Mimiru> what's your ingame
name? I'll whitelist you
L900[10:29:15] <Vexatos> Sangar, me
neither
L901[10:29:19] <Vexatos> but I also added
the SD card
L902[10:29:20] <Vexatos> soooooo
L903[10:29:40] <Vexatos> I just can't
think of anything to put on there
L904[10:29:43] <Vexatos> like, particular
things
L905[10:30:00] <Sangar> ^^
L906[10:30:11] <Sangar> Mimiru,
Sangar
L907[10:30:31] <Vexatos> Kethtar
\.-./
L908[10:30:37] <Mimiru> Sangar,
whitelisted
L909[10:30:43] <Sangar> Vexatos, NO
LONGER!
L910[10:31:10] <Mimiru> server.dat is in
the pack, "Direct Connect" works too
L911[10:31:25] <Sangar> Mimiru,
installing
L912[10:34:42] <Sulljason> Izaya: h option
worked just gonna make sure its a valid sym link good to use
absolute paths :3
L913[10:34:50] <Sulljason> gotta*
L914[10:36:32] <Sulljason> huh `pwd`/file
works for absolute path
L915[10:38:30] <Sulljason> Nvm just use r
option when making the sym link :D
L917[10:41:18] <S3> on FreeBSD pwd doesn't
take arguments
L918[10:41:31] <S3> devstar% pwd tell me
why they got a divorce
L919[10:41:32] <S3> pwd: too many
arguments
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L922[10:48:00] <Sangar> huh. failed to
handle packet? that's... not excessively helpful :X
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L924[10:53:12] <vifino> S3: It doesn't,
the example above doesn't call it with arguments either.
L925[10:53:25] <vifino> Notice the
``.
L926[10:54:19] <S3> oh I didnt even see
that
L928[10:54:36] <S3> my font may be too
small vifino :)
L929[10:54:45] <S3> didn't even otice the
backticks there
L930[11:00:58] <gamax92> Sangar: Yay,
bidirection pipes that act just liek a normal lua file ._.
L931[11:01:05] <gamax92> no bugs yet so,
sorry :
L932[11:01:28] <S3> gamax92: whats the
error if you read from it when it is empty?
L933[11:01:32] <S3> ENOTOBACCO ?
L934[11:02:01] <gamax92> I don't know
because I don't look at the error number
L935[11:02:16] <Vexatos> gamax92,
liek?
L936[11:02:17] <Vexatos> i liek
L937[11:02:24] <gamax92> eew
L938[11:02:29] <gamax92> og ayaw
L939[11:02:39] <Vexatos> i cri
evrytim
L940[11:02:40] <Vexatos> D:
L941[11:02:49] <Sangar> gamax92, it's
fine. you'll find them.
L942[11:03:00] <S3> vi estas ne parolis la
bona lingvo! >:O
L943[11:03:08] <gamax92> You are from
Maine.
L944[11:03:15] <Vexatos> 3spanish5me
L945[11:03:16] <S3> Who is
L946[11:03:18] <gamax92> You.
L947[11:03:19] *
Vexatos takes cover
L948[11:22:56] <ds84182> Spain is Maine-ly
on the planes.
L949[11:22:59] <ds84182> TAKE COVER
L950[11:23:10] *
ds84182 hits gamax92 with a plane.
L951[11:23:21] <ds84182> Paper plane, that
is
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L956[11:39:16] <Mimiru> Also Sangar WTB,
crafting colored cables so you can place them already
colored.
L957[11:39:17] <Mimiru> :P
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L962[12:12:57] <Vexatos> where is rashy
when you need him D:
L963[12:13:17] <Vexatos> got to write the
manual enties for audio cables and speakers >_>
L964[12:13:26] <Vexatos> Also I can't come
up with any decent image tooltip
L965[12:13:32] *
Vexatos summons Sangar, master of tooltips
L966[12:13:43] <Sangar> for the
regex?
L967[12:13:49] <Sangar> oh, speakers
L968[12:13:51] <Sangar> uhh...
L969[12:14:03] <Vexatos> no regex card
yet
L970[12:14:05] <Sangar> "make some
noise"? >_>
L971[12:14:10] <Vexatos> because no idea
what to do with it >_>
L972[12:15:03] <Vexatos> snagar please, go
activate your tooltip skills
L973[12:15:04] <Vexatos> :P
L974[12:16:13] <Sangar> i just used my
texture skills, i'm exhausted now :X
L975[12:16:30] <Vexatos> speakers >
servers
L976[12:16:33] <Sangar> also i'm not
looking forward to updating the server rack manual pages
L977[12:16:47] <Sangar> so much changed
:X
L978[12:21:59] <Mimiru> Sangar, thoughts
on my request? lol
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L980[12:23:00] <Sangar> Mimiru, ehhh,
maybe sometime. kinda cba with adding nbt to the cable items :/
will see. but feel free to open an issue
L981[12:23:21] <Vexatos> hmmm
L982[12:27:00] <Vexatos> Sangar, how does
"Popular proper pop propagation" sound for audio cable
tooltip >_>
L983[12:27:07] <Vexatos> say that loud ten
times
L984[12:28:47] <Sangar> "audiophile
certified"? :P
L985[12:34:51] <Vexatos> nah
L986[12:35:08] <Vexatos> well
L987[12:35:08] <Vexatos> yes
L988[12:35:10] <Vexatos> for the
speaker
L990[12:40:53] <Vexatos> too confusing?
too bad?
L991[12:40:54] <Vexatos> >_>
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L993[12:42:23] <Sangar> sounds fine
L994[12:42:52] <Sangar> also jubilations
\o/ if randomly just found, at long last, that bug where screens
are occasionaly blank for some people until something changes
L995[12:42:59] <Sangar> *i
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L997[12:44:31] <Vexatos> asie: We should
call it electroacoustic transducer
L998[12:44:38] <Vexatos> to go full
Thermal Expansion
L999[12:45:04] <Vexatos> Sangar, my bees
are only jubilant on tropical islands
L1000[12:45:11] <Sangar> good
enough
L1001[12:45:28] <Inari> Sangar: what
caused it?
L1002[12:46:23] <Vexatos> Also, the cable
should be called Electroacoustic Transmitters >_>
L1003[12:46:29] <Sangar> not setting the
relative lit area back to -1 to force it being recomputed >_>
so the renderer thought "oh, nothing to show, ok
then!"
L1004[12:46:44] <Vexatos> and tape drives
need to be renamed
L1005[12:46:48] <Sangar> Electroacoustic
Transmittens
L1006[12:46:49] <Vexatos> to
Electroacoustic Emitters
L1007[12:46:58] <Vexatos> or
Electroacoustic Dispatchers
L1008[12:47:14] <Vexatos> asie ^
L1009[12:47:17] <Vexatos> I am totally
serious here
L1010[12:47:23] <Inari> Sangar: haha
sounds like the kind of stupid bug where you hit your head against
a wall when you find it
L1011[12:47:29] <Sangar> indeed
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L1014[13:04:26]
zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L1015[13:07:16] <Vexatos> blergh
L1016[13:07:18] <Vexatos> what did I
miss
L1017[13:07:24] <Vexatos> what was the
last thing you saw from me
L1018[13:07:28] *
Vexatos hates his interweb
L1019[13:09:46] *
Vexatos pokes Snagar
L1020[13:10:10] <Sangar> <+Vexatos>
I am totally serious here
L1021[13:10:18] <Vexatos> wat
L1022[13:10:20] <Vexatos> that's
like
L1023[13:10:25] <Vexatos>
<Vexatos> "oh wait, I missed a !
L1024[13:10:25] <Vexatos>
<Vexatos> ok"
L1026[13:10:25] <Vexatos> <Vexatos> I feel
like it's not really good
L1027[13:10:25] <Vexatos>
<Vexatos> Need
something better :/
L1028[13:10:26] <Vexatos>
<Vexatos> need to
get rid of duplicate "this"
L1029[13:10:28] <Vexatos>
<Vexatos> :/
L1030[13:10:30] <Vexatos>
<Vexatos> Also,
adding "If an [audio cable](audio_cable.md) is connected to
the drive, it will send the audio signal generated through the
cable while playing instead of generating sound itself." to
the tape drive entry
L1031[13:10:33] <Vexatos>
<Vexatos> any
suggestions for improvement?
L1032[13:10:35] <Vexatos> that's what
I've said after that :P
L1033[13:10:39] <Sangar> your internet
rocks
L1034[13:10:45] <Sangar> or it's
rocky
L1035[13:10:48] <Sangar> :X
L1036[13:11:03] <S3> rockin in the
wind
L1037[13:11:37] <Sangar> Vexatos, idk,
good enough :P
L1038[13:11:51] <Vexatos> now to make
some sufficiently greggy recipes for those
L1039[13:11:55] <Vexatos> any suggestions
there?
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L1042[13:19:54] <Vexatos> I can't come up
with anything, damn
L1043[13:20:04] <Vexatos> Should probably
contain silver wire of some sort
L1044[13:21:08] <Turtle> Solid golden
diamond tipped cables /s
L1045[13:21:53] <Mimiru> AudioQuest
style.
L1046[13:22:25] <Turtle> I think their
cables don't even have golden connectors, just silver
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L1049[13:30:33]
zsh sets mode: +v on Vexatos
L1050[13:30:45] <Vexatos> and my interweb
died yet again
L1051[13:30:51] <Vexatos> what did I/you
miss this time >_>
L1053[13:37:58] <Vexatos> mhm
L1054[13:38:53] <ds84182> Vexatos:
>sufficiently greggy recipes
L1055[13:38:56] <ds84182> Diamonds
L1056[13:39:04] <ds84182> A 9x9 crafting
grid of diamonds.
L1057[13:39:06] <Turtle> Fine. Compressed
diamond blocks.
L1058[13:39:21] <ds84182> Well, diamond
blocks
L1059[13:39:28] <ds84182> That would be
expensive.
L1060[13:39:29] <Vexatos> ds84182, that's
not how greg works
L1061[13:39:36] <ds84182> Vexatos:
:<
L1062[13:39:54] <Vexatos> you will need
your first diamond in GT after >5 hours of gameplay
L1063[13:39:56] <Vexatos> and only
one
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L1066[14:44:07] <Sangar> all the progress
\o/
L1067[14:46:57] <Skye> Sangar, will it be
able to automatically convert from the old server racks?
L1068[14:47:41] <Sangar> the blocks and
server items should survive (untested)
L1069[14:48:43] <Magik6k> weeee racks
\o/
L1070[14:48:59] <Elizabeth> ooh
L1071[14:49:51] <Magik6k> Sangar,
terminal server is just screen/keyboard, right?
L1072[14:49:56] <Sangar> yep
L1073[14:50:00] <Magik6k> huh
L1074[14:50:02] <Magik6k> epic
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L1076[14:51:24] <Magik6k> I'm working on
network rewrite, I hope I can get it done before 1.6
L1077[14:51:55] <Sangar> 1.6 probably
won't be out before somewhen in december, so you have some time
;)
L1078[14:52:06] <Magik6k> noice
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L1080[15:06:21] <vifino> Sangar: GIMME
GIMME GIMME D:
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L1082[15:08:24] <Sangar> well, the branch
is on github ;) if you compile it yourself, use it at your own risk
tho.
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L1084[15:09:06] <vifino> Mimiru: server
update when! :D
L1085[15:09:11] <Mimiru> No
L1086[15:09:15] <vifino> :(
L1087[15:10:26] *
Antheus turns vifino's frown upside down
L1088[15:10:30] <Antheus> ):
L1089[15:10:30] <gamax92> ):
L1090[15:10:32] <gamax92> XD
L1091[15:11:24] *
Antheus beats gamax92 with a corn kob
L1093[15:16:58] <Antheus> cool
L1094[15:17:10] <XDjackieXD> nice
^^
L1095[15:17:37] <Antheus> I can make the
terminal echo wordz
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L1097[15:19:36] <ds84182> gamax92: oooh,
what is that?
L1098[15:19:42] <Antheus> Magik6k: do you
have any documentation on plan9k?
L1099[15:20:01] <Magik6k> Antheus, not
really
L1100[15:20:07] <Magik6k> I had 1 man
page
L1101[15:20:12] <Magik6k> on
something
L1103[15:21:37] <Antheus> that's a
start....
L1104[15:22:27] <Magik6k> +I have some
documents on various things on my google drive, I may export it to
my website
L1106[15:29:34] <gamax92> ds84182:
networked pico-8
L1107[15:29:46] <ds84182> Whats
pico-8
L1108[15:29:54] <gamax92> whats google
motherfucker.
L1109[15:30:05] <ds84182> I dunno
L1110[15:30:08] <ds84182> Lemme bing
google
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L1112[15:33:36] <gamax92> ds84182: but
yeah, pico-8 is a "fantasy console", it's just a 16 color
128x128 screen powered by lua except with none of the standard api
and a custom set
L1113[15:33:47] <gamax92> why do I feel
like I've also explained this to you before.
L1114[15:55:19] <ds84182> You have
not
L1115[15:55:25] <ds84182> That sounds...
interesting
L1116[15:55:40] <ds84182> I wonder if I
can get Lua in Lua running so I can get the original standard
library back.
L1117[15:56:46] <gamax92> oh okay,
everything is also uppercase (internally lowercase), characters are
limited and tokens are limited, it also has a music and sfx
system
L1118[15:57:00] <ds84182> erm
L1119[15:57:03] <ds84182> ERM
L1120[15:57:16] *
ds84182 thinks again
L1121[15:57:20] <gamax92> and, there's
nice lua shortcuts, like a += -= /= *=, and a shorthand if: if
(expression) another thing
L1122[15:57:27] <gamax92> also all
numbers are 16.16 fixed point.
L1123[15:57:32] <ds84182> yeahno
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L1127[16:04:51] <ds84182> Hmm
L1128[16:04:56] <ds84182> I'm
interested
L1130[16:05:59] <ds84182> It's... needs
money
L1131[16:06:02] <ds84182> Welp
L1132[16:06:17] <gamax92> yeah sadly, you
can still abuse the webplayer or use picolove
L1133[16:06:52] <ds84182> I want it
L1134[16:06:55] <ds84182> picolove?
L1135[16:06:57] <ds84182> Link.
L1137[16:07:46] <gamax92> it seems pretty
good graphically wise, but obviously isn't going to have 16.16
fixed point, and sound is a little basic.
L1138[16:08:50] <ds84182> However, it is
a really cool idea
L1139[16:08:54] <ds84182> Hmmmmmm
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L1142[16:09:59] <ds84182> gamax92: I'm
thinking about the possibility to use ARM's emulator in QEMU to do
something like this
L1143[16:10:06] <gamax92> heh
L1144[16:10:09] <ds84182> Is there a
publically available API list or whatever
L1145[16:10:19] <gamax92> yeah .,..
L1147[16:11:12] <gamax92> note, that
stuff isn't like system.load, it's just a description
L1148[16:12:06] <ds84182> Alrighty
L1149[16:12:20] *
gamax92 stills wonders how hacked up load is to have that fixed
point stuff on x86 :P
L1150[16:12:24] <gamax92> lua*
L1151[16:12:35] <ds84182> Welp, time to
implement stuff in places
L1152[16:12:53] <ds84182> This would
require me to write an OS in ARM
L1153[16:13:00] <ds84182> And a basic
filesystem driver
L1154[16:13:10] <gamax92> or just use an
existing os? o.o;
L1155[16:13:11] <ds84182> Welp, this may
or may not be fun
L1156[16:13:13] <ds84182> gamax92:
no
L1157[16:13:17] <ds84182> I want to do
this
L1158[16:13:21] <gamax92> okay :P
L1159[16:13:41] <ds84182> I've already
made an OS before (however it was kinda hacky...)
L1160[16:13:58] <ds84182> I also could do
it in QEMU usermode, but I dunno if I can MMU stuff
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L1162[16:16:41] <ds84182> Hmm... I forgot
that most of ARM's stuff is BS and depends on what target board you
select
L1163[16:22:46] <ds84182> Can I target a
rpi in qemu
L1164[16:24:04] <ds84182> Eh, not worth
it
L1165[16:24:10] <gamax92> okay ... that
arm-test whatever, works on -machine integratorcp
L1166[16:24:23] <gamax92> totally didn't
just brute force every machine.
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L1177[17:54:59] <Ekoserin> Tuna and black
olives.
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L1179[18:09:29] <Izaya> oh my
haruhi
L1180[18:09:35] <Izaya> my disk I/O is
faster than my network I/O
L1181[18:09:44] <Inari> rocket sixtynine~
rocket sixty nine~
L1182[18:09:52] <Inari> Izaya: nice
haruhiism there
L1183[18:09:58] <Izaya> :P
L1184[18:11:49] <Izaya> If you're
wondering why I know disk I/O is faster than network I/O for a
change, I'm installing Mad Max, Skyrim, Oblivion, Morrowind and
Space Engineers at the same time, and I have Process Explorer open.
Fun times.
L1185[18:13:18] <CompanionCube> Izaya,
ohai
L1186[18:13:50] <Izaya> hai
L1187[18:15:16] <Temia> I have never once
encountered a situation where disk I/O was slower than network
I/O
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L1189[18:15:25] <Sandra> yeah....
L1190[18:15:29] <Izaya> I've had it
on-par
L1191[18:15:37] <Izaya> But that drive
was a dying laptop drive
L1192[18:16:03] <Sandra> no wonder
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L1194[18:16:15] <Sandra> disk i/o should
be faster than network i/o.
L1195[18:16:18] <Izaya> That drive was
also what I was previously running Windows from
L1196[18:16:25] <Sandra> especially if
it's internet network i/o.
L1197[18:16:43] <Izaya> But I could r/w
to my LAN faster than I could do disk I/O
L1198[18:17:09] <Ekoserin> From what I've
heard, Linux is a hammer with few nails and Windows is a block of
cheese with a lot of nails.
L1199[18:17:42] <Temia> Linux has as many
nails as you bring for it
L1200[18:21:06] <vifino> Haha, cheesy
windows.
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printers
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L1212[19:09:31] <MGR> vifino
L1213[19:09:35] <MGR> printers are the
worst
L1214[19:09:40] <MGR> they smell your
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L1216[19:17:45] <vifino> MGR: lp0 on fire
after I'm done with it.
L1217[19:18:31] <MGR> vifino, I am
DaveDave
L1218[19:27:39] <vifino> Who?
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L1221[19:29:19] <MGR> also, I'm not
supposed to go on and on about him
L1222[19:30:21] <MGR> good night
all!
L1223[19:30:24] <MGR> bye bye
vifino
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majgenrelativity's imaginary friend.
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L1283[21:13:31] <malcom2073> I have two
adapters hooked up to two JABBA better barrels, and components
shows both UUIDs, but in lua when I iterate over component it only
has one instance of a mcp_mobius_betterbarrel. How do I address
both barrels independantly? I'm really new to OC, so if I missed
something in the docs please point me to it :)
L1284[21:14:31] <Kodos> Did you try using
Inventory Controller Upgrades in the adapters
L1285[21:14:57] <malcom2073> Ahh no I did
not, I'll look them up now
L1286[21:24:30] <malcom2073> So when I
stick an inventory controller upgrade in both adapters, I again see
two of them in the components list, but only one in lua, how do you
choose between them?
L1287[21:24:43] <malcom2073> Ohh, do I
set the address?
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L1313[22:04:54] <Sandra> how is it
already 3pm but yet I've accomplished nothing today.
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L1320[22:32:32] <MrWonderful2012_> is
there any benefit to running an apu and a graphics card or running
2 graphics cards?
L1321[22:35:18] <Mimiru>
MrWonderful2012_, other than the APU giving you an extra slot to
use for something else... no
L1322[22:42:22] <MrWonderful2012_> I wish
that oc supported multithreading
L1323[22:42:30] <vifino> openos*
L1324[22:42:35] <MrWonderful2012_> then
multiple graphics cards would make sense
L1325[22:42:48] <MrWonderful2012_> no
even custom os for oc cant do that
L1326[22:42:56] <Mimiru> Yes... It
can
L1327[22:42:58] <MrWonderful2012_> there
is coroutines
L1328[22:42:59] <Mimiru> see plan9k
L1329[22:43:03] <vifino> ^
L1330[22:43:23] <vifino>
MrWonderful2012_: You can do multithreading on a single core
machine.
L1331[22:43:27] <vifino> Same
principle.
L1332[22:43:41] <MrWonderful2012_>
yes
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L1334[22:44:08] <MrWonderful2012_> but
multithreading would mean that multicore machines would be able to
run faster because they would have more threads
L1335[22:44:57] <MrWonderful2012_> not to
mention that you can split up the instructions to almost double the
speed if you have 2 cores instead of 1
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L1337[22:49:22] <vifino> First off, it
isn't exactly like that, to do so, you need a workload that you can
split up. Second, OC is already multithreaded in a sense. Different
machines run on different threads. Computers, however, are not.
That is a limitation of Lua.
L1338[22:49:37] <vifino> To get back to
your multi monitor problem, plan9k can do that.
L1339[22:50:04] <vifino> It has
processes, implemented /dev and cool stuff like that.
L1340[22:50:21] <vifino> Poke Magik6k if
you need help with itor something.
L1341[22:50:33] <MrWonderful2012_> that
is what I mean
L1342[22:50:42] <MrWonderful2012_> I
computer can only run 1 thread
L1343[22:50:47] <MrWonderful2012_> 1
computer
L1344[22:51:07] <vifino> OS thread,
yes.
L1345[22:51:49] <vifino> Doesn't mean the
OS running in the virtual environement can't have multiple
threads.
L1346[22:52:07] <vifino> They won't
either run at once, just like on a single core machine.
L1347[22:52:32] <vifino> Time sharing,
they even did it in the old days(tm).
L1348[22:52:36] <Sandra> yes, but the
point is that they want multiple cores.
L1349[22:52:43] <Sandra> you can do time
sharing yes.
L1350[22:52:46] <Kamran> Hi Sandra and
vifino
L1351[22:52:50] <Sandra> but multiple
cores.
L1352[22:52:52] <MrWonderful2012_> I know
about the possibility of time sharing
L1353[22:52:57] <vifino> Sandra: That
ain't happening.
L1354[22:53:00] <vifino> Ever.
L1355[22:53:09] <MrWonderful2012_>
servers might work
L1356[22:53:10] <Sandra> lua can't
support that, I know.
L1357[22:53:21] <vifino> Either that, or
it is a complete mess full of hacks.
L1358[22:54:13] <Sandra> yeah.
L1359[22:54:37] <Sandra> just do two
separate machines.
L1360[22:54:46] <vifino> Sandra: But
yeah, the problem was that they said multithreading, not multiple
cores or CPU's.
L1361[22:54:57] <vifino> Stuffs and
Reasons(tm).
L1362[22:55:22] <Kamran> lol
L1363[22:55:46] <Kodos> I need
suggestions for a currency name that has more than one word, and
makes a nice abbreviation
L1364[22:55:57] <MrWonderful2012_> you
can have a quad core computer by having a server rack that contains
1 server that has all the normal stuff you want, and 3 more that
are just the bare essentials + a network card
L1365[22:56:18] <MrWonderful2012_> use
those as seperate cores
L1366[22:56:29] <vifino> That is not how
it works.
L1367[22:57:02] <Sandra> well the other
computers would just do external processing, controlled by the
initial server.
L1368[22:57:19] <MrWonderful2012_> that
would work
L1369[22:57:31] <Sandra> I was actually
thinking about making an addon that added huge multithreaded
monsters.
L1370[22:57:46] <Sandra> i.e. like 20
cores in a single machine.
L1371[22:57:54] <vifino> You have four
cpu's, sure. But you don't have shared memory, so you have to copy
stuff around. They would more treated like job processors, similar
to build servers, where you just start a job and poll if they got
any results.
L1372[22:58:20] <MrWonderful2012_> the
problem is that every instruction to the external computer would
require a cpu cycle not to mention that ram is not shared
L1373[22:58:21] <Sandra> yeah. which...
is much better when it comes to parallel processing anyway.
L1374[22:58:52] <Sandra> have you ever
heard of erlang/elixir?
L1375[22:58:57] <vifino> Sandra: The main
difference is the non-shared memory part.
L1376[22:58:57] <Sandra> it's designed
that way.
L1377[22:59:01] <vifino> And yes, I
do.
L1378[22:59:13] <vifino> I used to
program a lot in elixir and partly erlang.
L1379[22:59:15] <Sandra> one of the best
parallel processing languages out there.
L1380[22:59:23] <vifino> Yeah, BEAM is
awesome.
L1381[22:59:51] <Sandra> so... use the
same parallel processing model.
L1382[23:00:23] <Sandra> send messages to
other computers running different code.
L1383[23:00:40] <Sandra> no need for
shared ram.
L1384[23:01:45] <vifino> But that won't
be multithreading.
L1385[23:02:24] <Sandra> well of course
not.
L1386[23:02:33] <Sandra> but threads are
terrible anyway so why bother.
L1387[23:02:53] <Sandra> you have
coroutines, you can do process model.
L1388[23:03:05] <Sandra> shouldn't be any
need for threads at all.
L1389[23:03:51] <vifino> That would be an
rpc on crack, to pull off anything usable, you'd have to do mad
wizardry.
L1390[23:05:36] <vifino> But sure, would
be awesome if someone would pull that off.
L1391[23:06:25] <MrWonderful2012_> also,
I have never tried, but can you put a graphics card in a
microcontroller
L1392[23:06:33] <vifino> It'd be slow and
barely usable, but hey, theoretically it is possible to at least
have a thread like interface to rpc's.
L1393[23:07:10] <Sandra>
MrWonderful2012_, microcontrollers can't access external components
sadly.
L1394[23:07:16] <Sandra> so you can't put
a screen on them.
L1395[23:08:50] <Sandra> unless that's
been added...
L1396[23:08:52] <Sandra> maybe it
has.
L1397[23:08:58] <vifino> Nope.
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L1399[23:09:29] <MrWonderful2012_> I wish
there was a way to program microcontrollers without having a
computer
L1400[23:09:35] <Sandra> *cries*
L1401[23:09:40] <MrWonderful2012_> maybe
punch cards?
L1402[23:10:04] <MrWonderful2012_>
lol
L1403[23:10:09] <Sandra> I believe the
buildcraft electronic library lets you store eeproms.... however
that works.
L1404[23:10:56] <Sandra> they really
should have an upgrade that lets them control one external adjacent
component.
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L1408[23:16:36] <MrWonderful2012> now I
can both play and irc
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L1411[23:27:21] <MrWonderful2012> what is
the key to terminate the program on the computer
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L1413[23:30:39] <MrWonderful2012_> what
is the key to terminate a program on a computer
L1414[23:31:14] <vifino> ctrl-alt-c
L1415[23:31:27] <MrWonderful2012>
ok
L1416[23:31:40] <vifino> Anyways, 06:31,
gotta sleep sometime.
L1417[23:33:12] <Kodos> What's the
difference between a dirty bus stop, and a lobster with breast
implants?
L1418[23:33:34] <Kodos> One's a crusty
bus station, and the other's a busty crustacean.
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L1422[23:56:25] <MrWonderful2012_> is
there a way to record an ip by a name so you dont have to remember
it