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L6[00:10:36] <THUNDERGROOVE> So would a
server process getting terminated possibly corrupt a robot?
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L8[00:19:06] <Kubuxu> THUNDERGROOVE: it
would stop it from getting a save state so it would have to be
started manually.
L9[00:19:59] <THUNDERGROOVE> When I logged
back in the robot didn't have a name, was tier1 with no upgrades.
Also there was an afterImage tile I had to remove in MCEdit.
Hmmmm
L10[00:27:31] <Kubuxu> THUNDERGROOVE: that
shouldn't happen but the Tile probably got corrupted when you
terminated the save.
L11[00:28:25] <THUNDERGROOVE> Yeah I didn't
have the server running in a screen session and my internet died
lol. Oh well
L12[00:28:39] <Kubuxu> heh
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L25[02:19:53] <Caitlyn> \o/ New OpenFM
build up, just needs to be approved.
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L41[04:47:21] <Noob> What component bus is
for in server?
L42[04:48:51] <Lizzy> Noob: it increases
the amount of components the server can handle
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L44[05:23:34] <Kodos> Most you can have is
64 on a server, right?
L45[05:23:39] <Kodos> Compared to a
computer's 16
L46[05:24:51] <Lizzy> Kodos: yeah, 16 from
the processor and then 16 per each component bus
L47[05:24:54] <Lizzy> at teir 3
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L54[06:01:33] <Turtle> welp, I'll go make
that RFC thread
L55[06:06:12] <Turtle> Actually, would it
be sane to get a functional implementation out first, or after some
improvements have been made?
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L58[06:23:07] <Magik6k> o/
L59[06:23:21] <Vexatos> o\
L60[06:23:27] <Magik6k> /o
L61[06:37:23] <Kubuxu> \o
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L64[07:02:42] <Sandra> if someone sends me
hate over PM, I'm not in the wrong for releasing that right?
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L67[07:09:01] <Lizzy> Sandra: up to
you
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L69[07:09:42] <Sandra> I already did it but
people were saying I was bad for doing it.
L71[07:09:57] <Lizzy> people shouldn't be
dicks in the first place
L72[07:10:06] <Sandra> YES! exactly.
L73[07:10:10] <Lizzy> mind giving em a link
to where you posted it?
L74[07:10:12] <Lizzy> *me
L75[07:10:45] <Sandra> oh, it was an IRL
"friend", posted to a private chat between more of my
friends.
L76[07:10:49] <Turtle> o/
L78[07:12:16] <Sandra> so, I can't
really.
L79[07:12:28] <Lizzy> not to worry
L80[07:13:13] <Sandra> I mean, their points
are fair.
L81[07:13:21] <Sandra> but everyone else is
basically over it.
L82[07:13:29] <Sandra> so they should
really just shut up about it.
L83[07:14:14] <Sandra> (it was a 2 hour or
so long argument.)
L84[07:14:41] <Lizzy> ARghh, desktop
notifications go away
L85[07:17:00] <Sandra> what desktop
notifications?
L86[07:17:34] <Lizzy> I have an app on my
phone and it's counterpart firefox addon which allows me to see my
phone notification on my pc
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L88[07:18:01] <Sandra> that sounds
useful.
L89[07:18:19] <Sandra> what's it
called?
L90[07:18:32] <Lizzy> annoyingly the gmail
notification seems to spawn a notification for each unread email
and then a grouped one. which when i was going through marking
github emails as read was really fucking annoying
L91[07:18:36] <Lizzy> hold on
L92[07:18:59] <Sandra> wooow.
L93[07:19:14] <Sandra> presumably it
deletes the initial notification afterwards.
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L95[07:19:23] <Sandra> but I guess this
thing doesn't carry that over.
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L99[07:20:29] <Lizzy> Sandra: the
notifications get shown the same as any other MATE notification (on
firefox that is, chrome uses it's own notification system)
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L101[07:20:40] <Sandra> I use
chrome.
L102[07:21:07] <Sandra> also
windows.
L103[07:21:19] <Sandra> \_o_/
L104[07:21:23] <Lizzy> it'll use chromes
notification system regardless of os
L105[07:21:28] <Lizzy> on chrome that
is
L106[07:21:35] <Sandra> mmm.
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L118[07:50:14] <Inari> whats the best
(read cheapest with good service) VPS/Cloud host? :P so stuff like
DigitalOcean.... is DigitalOcean the best maybe?.?
L119[07:56:16] <Kubuxu> IMHO ovh.
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L121[08:01:13] <Inari> Kubuxu: what stheir
traffic limits?
L122[08:02:28] <Kubuxu> What traffic
limits?
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L125[08:02:57] <Kubuxu> Each VPS gets
100Mbit
L126[08:02:59] <Inari> Kubuxu: well like
"XYZ GB traffic per month"
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L128[08:03:07] <Kubuxu> Not in OVH.
L129[08:03:16] <Inari> infinite
traffic?
L130[08:03:22] <Kubuxu> Yup
L131[08:03:25] <Inari> nice nice
L133[08:03:33] <Inari> not that i think
i'd need a lot but nice
L134[08:03:40] <Inari> yeah saw that
:P
L135[08:03:45] <Inari> but it tiddnt list
anything about traffic haha
L136[08:04:14] <Kubuxu> I used them, there
is no limit.
L137[08:04:38] <Inari> nice to know, and
they're cheap ;o
L138[08:04:59] <Kubuxu> They are.
L139[08:06:19] <Android_Creeper> Know any
good lua tutorials, especially ones specifically for OC?
L140[08:07:42] <Inari> no clue which OS to
use :D
L141[08:08:15] <Inari> maybe just ubuntu
for now..
L142[08:09:11] <Inari> Kubuxu: of course
they want to know all kinds of pointless info :D
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L146[08:24:29] <shadowkin0721>
Android_Creeper: Let me know if you have any luck finding OC
specific tutorials. I've just been hacking things together with a
billion tabs of API references open.
L147[08:25:12] <Android_Creeper>
that...doesnt sound promising
L148[08:26:19] <Android_Creeper>
Ordinarily I would use computercraft and look for someones code I
could use from pastebin, but havent seen anything like that for OC,
im excited to try OC, (and pack I play lacks The Other Computer
Mod)
L149[08:29:52] <Kathleen> shadowkin0721 /
Android_Creeper: OC runs a more or less vanilla Lua 5.2. Every
tutorial on that will work on OC in 99% of the cases. The other 1%
are described here:
http://ocdoc.cil.li/api:non-standard-lua-libs
Its generally a good idea to have a look at the Wiki, there is
quite a bit of reference there for the lua api.
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L151[08:32:04] <Kathleen> And the part
about someones code via pastebin: I have generally seen very little
in terms of people posting their code for OC, github is far more
active in that regard. (A good place to start is
https://github.com/OpenPrograms btw)
L152[08:33:12] <Android_Creeper> yay
programs to look through
L153[08:33:43] <Android_Creeper> I can
usually understand what programs do, but coding my own requires
that I understand a little-used language
L154[08:34:27] <Kathleen> While I don't
agree with the little-used part I do understand where you are
coming from :)
L155[08:35:29] <Kodos|Zzz> Anyone know if
doctors in the US are usually open today (Columbus Day)
L156[08:36:22] <Android_Creeper>
Little-used for me means: I want to code, but cannot find free
tutorials on the internet.
L157[08:36:34] <Kathleen> Also, if one of
you two gentleman/ladies has spare time on your hand and wants to
improve the sorry situation regarding Tutorials, you can always
write some. I think your viewpoint on the whole situation would be
invaluable and there is infact a tutorial section on the wiki:
http://ocdoc.cil.li/tutorial
L158[08:37:14] <Kathleen> I also think
that this channel will be far more active with giving constructive
critique on something that you write in terms of tutorials than
actually write them.
L159[08:37:35] <Noob> Wait
L160[08:37:41] <Noob> What the end stone
in OC?
L161[08:37:54] <Kathleen> 3D printer stuff
iirc
L162[08:38:12] <Noob> What does i do
though lol its not like usual 3dprint
L164[08:38:42] <Kathleen> The wiki says it
all
L165[08:39:12] <Noob> It doesnt even
mention End Stone block lol
L166[08:39:45] <Android_Creeper> ummm,
instant decor, like factorization clay?
L168[08:41:26] <Caitlyn> It's for use in
OC recipes that need End Stone, for peaceful worlds/servers
L169[08:41:39] <Android_Creeper>
interweb...lol
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L172[08:56:02] <Android_Creeper> Can I
circumvent web filters by sending traffic thru a VPN?
L173[08:57:54] <Kathleen> I'm gonna assume
you talk about outside OC and yes.
L174[08:58:08] <Caitlyn> I have a VPN
server listening on port 53 for just that reason.
L175[08:58:19] <Android_Creeper>
Thx.
L176[08:58:31] <Android_Creeper> I have to
go model 3d objects, bye
L177[08:58:32] <Kodos|Zzz> Fuck I'm
bored
L178[08:58:33] <Kathleen> Caitlyn: Nothing
like having a sshd running on port 443 :D
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L180[08:58:38] <Kodos|Zzz> And angry
L181[08:58:39] <Kodos|Zzz> No idea
why
L182[08:58:49] <Caitlyn> Heh, I'd have
that too if my main box wasn't using 443 :p
L183[08:59:43] <Caitlyn> my VPN can also
do VPN over DNS, and ICMP..
L184[09:00:02] <Kathleen> What VPN
software are you using?
L185[09:00:13] <Caitlyn> SoftEther
L186[09:01:26] <Kathleen> Huh. Nice
:D
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L190[09:08:32] <Kodos> Ugh this is super
annoying
L191[09:09:54] <Caitlyn> Sup Kodos?
L192[09:10:04] <Kodos> Trying to get ahold
of my doctor
L193[09:10:07] <Kodos> To see if they're
open today
L194[09:10:31] <Kodos> They should be, but
I want to make sure before I drive 30 miles
L195[09:11:20] <Caitlyn> Yeaaah...
L196[09:11:55] <Caitlyn> Ok.... Internet
points for MichiBot
L197[09:12:02] <Caitlyn> and twitter
lookup
L198[09:12:20] <Caitlyn> Then
folders/books for OpenPrinter and hopefully a release today
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L201[09:21:53] <Kodos> Are you hung up
somewhere on the shredder?
L202[09:22:45] <Caitlyn> Shredder is done,
waiting on flawed to do something with the front texture
L203[09:22:51] <Kodos> Ah
L204[09:22:53] <Caitlyn> but I want
books/folders before I release anyway
L205[09:23:01] <Kodos> =D
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L207[09:25:15] <Kodos> Now to get a load
of laundry started, and keep trying the dr office every 5
minutes
L208[09:25:34] <Kodos> The fun part is
going to be if I don't get a hold of them, I still have to drive
out there in case they are open and were just busy all day
L209[09:26:51] <Android_Creeper> UV map
layout complete. Preparing to texture...
L210[09:33:16] <NotRouter> Summary of
Twitch Plays Pokemon Channel: *swanky music* SQUIRTLE SQUIRTLE,
SQUIRTLE SQUIRTLE. SQUIRTLE SQUUUUUUUUIRTLE
L211[09:36:25] <Android_Creeper> lel
L212[09:37:25] <Android_Creeper> Summarize
more channels :)
L213[09:37:34] <Cazzar> NotRouter you
forgot the praise the helix fossil
L214[09:37:44] <Cazzar> And walking into
walls
L215[09:37:46] <NotRouter> Cazzar:
>Pokemon Channel
L216[09:37:50] <NotRouter> Not Pokemon
Red
L217[09:38:33] <Cazzar> New idea: twitch
speedruns portal
L218[09:39:41] <Cazzar> Because, maybe a
hivemind might actually manage?
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L222[10:00:05] <shadowkin0721> I dunno if
"Twitch plays..." can really get any more crazy than Dark
Souls.
L223[10:00:14] <Kodos> Caitlyn, if you
need folder sprites, let me know
L224[10:00:40] <Vexatos> twitch plays
turtle was fun
L225[10:00:42] <Vexatos> Right,
Cruor?
L226[10:00:53] <Cruor> totally
L227[10:01:09] <Cruor>
s/turtle/shurtle
L228[10:01:09] <Kibibyte> <Vexatos>
twitch plays shurtle was fun
L229[10:01:15] <Cruor> ;_; why
L230[10:01:24] <Vexatos> Because I forgot
the name
L231[10:01:26] <Vexatos> :3
L232[10:01:36] <Cruor> no, why is a slash
bot thing a thing
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L234[10:03:23] <Cazzar> shadowkin0721 I'd
never do it, since I barely have the upload to support a upload to
Facebook while gaming without a lag spike.
L235[10:04:19] <shadowkin0721> lol
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L237[10:14:11] <Antheus> :/
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L253[11:37:32] <Kodos> There we go. Day's
getting better :3
L254[11:37:42] <Kodos> This weekend sucked
ass thou
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L259[11:44:02] <Kodos> Two deer walk into
a gay bar. After two hours of fun, they both walk out. One deer
looks at the other and goes; "Damn, I can't believe I blew
thirty bucks in there"
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L261[11:44:45] <Android_Creeper>
NSFW
L262[11:44:57] <Lizzy> ?#
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L266[12:25:04] <Sangar> o/
L268[12:27:00] <Kodos> =D
L269[12:27:23] <Kodos> So Sangar
L270[12:27:35] <Kodos> Are you going to
surprise us again this Christmas, maybe with the server rack update
:3
L271[12:28:29] <Sangar> won't confirm nor
deny ;)
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L274[12:34:20] <cloakable> With the next
update computers will be made using stone blocks around redstone
dust. xD
L275[12:36:51] <Android_Creeper> lel
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L278[12:57:06] <Android_Creeper> I want a
robot
L279[12:57:21] <gamax92> I want 2 sticks
of 4GB DDR2 memory
L280[12:58:06] <Android_Creeper> got $50?
Ill sell you my DDR3 of same amount.
L281[12:58:28] <gamax92> I said DDR2
L282[12:58:37] <gamax92> all that would be
is a waste of money.
L283[12:58:43] <Android_Creeper> why
DDR2?
L284[12:58:55] <gamax92> Because my board
only takes DDR2
L285[12:59:04] <Android_Creeper> oh
L286[12:59:15] <Android_Creeper> have some
candy then
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L289[13:06:06] <Caitlyn> %twitter
enable
L290[13:06:09] <MichiBot> Caitlyn: Enabled
Twitter
L291[13:07:21] <Android_Creeper>
%mcstatus
L292[13:07:22] <MichiBot> Android_Creeper:
Website:
Up Session:
Up Account:
Up Auth:
Up Skins:
Up Auth Server:
Up Session Server:
Up API:
Up Textures:
Up
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L296[13:12:39] <Caitlyn> %+1000
Kathleen
L297[13:12:41] <MichiBot> Caitlyn:
Dean4Devil now has 1000 points
L298[13:14:38] <cloakable> I need 2GB of
DDR2 SODIMM at some point
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L301[13:15:25] <Caitlyn> %+1000
Kathleen
L302[13:15:28] <MichiBot> Caitlyn:
Kathleen now has 2000 points
L303[13:15:31] <Caitlyn> There we
go.
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L308[13:25:50] <Caitlyn> %points
L309[13:26:00] <Caitlyn> %points
Kathleen
L310[13:26:04] <MichiBot> Caitlyn:
Dean4Devil has 2000 points
L311[13:26:05] <MichiBot> Caitlyn: Michiyo
has 281 points
L312[13:26:12] <Caitlyn> right.. it
doesn't use the nick :/
L313[13:26:13] <ds84182> lolsauce, police
just pulled up in front of my house
L314[13:26:20] <ds84182> And my mom just
left 2 minutes ago
L315[13:26:22] <ds84182> fml?
L316[13:26:24] <ds84182> fml.
L317[13:26:40] <ds84182> Good thing I have
other adults with me
L318[13:27:12] <Caitlyn> Anyway there,
Internet Points, where everything is made up, and the points don't
matter.
L319[13:27:32] <ds84182> %+1000
ds84182
L320[13:27:32] <MichiBot> ds84182: You can
not give yourself points.
L321[13:27:35] <ds84182> Dam
L322[13:27:43] <Caitlyn> %+1 ds84182
L323[13:27:44] <MichiBot> Caitlyn: ds84182
now has 1 points
L324[13:27:46] <ds84182> ( ͡^ ͜ʖ ͡^)
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L327[13:28:39] <Caitlyn> Ok there. That
should be it for now.
L328[13:28:58] <Sangar> "1
points" good ol' plural
L329[13:29:17] <Caitlyn> Yeah I give 0
fucks for a single number having an improper plural.
L330[13:29:18] <Caitlyn> :P
L331[13:29:29] <Sangar> i'm familiar with
that feeling :3
L332[13:29:40] <Caitlyn> %+10000
Sangar
L333[13:29:40] <MichiBot> Caitlyn: Sangar
now has 10000 points
L334[13:29:49] <Sangar> \o/
L335[13:29:56] <Caitlyn> Don't spend those
all in once place now.
L336[13:29:59] <Sangar> so where can i buy
dogecoins for those?
L337[13:30:00] <gamax92> points?
L338[13:30:13] <Caitlyn> gamax92,
"Internet Points, where everything is made up, and the points
don't matter."
L339[13:30:20] <ds84182> %-100
gamax92
L340[13:30:21] <Caitlyn> Kathleen,
requested it last night
L341[13:30:23] <ds84182> Darn
L342[13:30:25] <Caitlyn> Sorry no taking
points :p
L343[13:30:28] <gamax92> oh, so it's not
actual money like v's?
L344[13:30:38] <Caitlyn> No
L345[13:30:56] <Sangar> well, vdoge
vanished, so it's effectively the same
L346[13:31:01] <Caitlyn> ^
L347[13:31:01] <Caitlyn> :p
L348[13:31:04] <ds84182> Eh, dunno why
police are here, they didn't ring the doorbell so I didn't do
anything this time
L349[13:31:10] <gamax92> ds84182:
SWAT
L350[13:31:24] <Sangar> ds84182, do you
stream? :P
L351[13:31:39] <ds84182> Nah, I'm pretty
sure this is the county sheriff, so this isnt a SWATTING
attempt
L352[13:31:47] <ds84182> And I haven't
streamed in 3 years
L353[13:32:00] <ds84182> Oh, they're at
the neighbors house
L354[13:32:09] <ds84182> Welp, none of my
business
L355[13:34:09] <Sangar> welp. that asus
PG279Q is technically impressive. but fuck that price o.O
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L357[13:35:47] <Caitlyn> Oh
right....
L358[13:35:53] <Caitlyn> let's test the
twitter function..
L360[13:36:03] <Caitlyn> %twitter
enable
L361[13:36:10] <Caitlyn> … MichiBot
L362[13:36:39] <Caitlyn> Oh, lmao
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L364[13:37:26] <Caitlyn> It helps if I
have my twitter API stuff in the config.
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L366[13:37:37] <Caitlyn> Ok, NOW we
test.
L367[13:37:39] <Caitlyn> %test
L368[13:37:47] <MichiBot> Caitlyn:
Success
L370[13:37:49] <MichiBot> Mon Oct 12
09:07:47 CDT 2015 @MichiyoRaven: OpenFM release 0.1.0-7 went out
last night, notable changes: Storing Bookmarks, Lockable Radios,
New text functions.
http://t.co/mwQqqIDeuC
L371[13:38:05] <Caitlyn> Huzzah
L373[13:41:11] <ds84182> It's cute
L374[13:41:14] <ds84182> It's a :3
L375[13:41:31] <XDjackieXD> :P
L377[13:41:47] <ds84182> ;]
L378[13:41:48] <Lizzy> ds84182, that's not
my github by the way
L379[13:41:49] <ds84182> *:]
L380[13:41:55] <ds84182> Lizzy: Eh,
screwit
L381[13:41:59] <XDjackieXD> XD
L382[13:42:00] <Lizzy> :P
L383[13:42:01] <ds84182> Itried.jpeg
L384[13:43:07] <XDjackieXD> I like my real
avatar picture better :3
L385[13:43:23] <gamax92> I like your real
avatar picture better too! :o
L386[13:43:31] <XDjackieXD> :D
L388[13:43:43] <XDjackieXD> :P
L389[13:43:52] <ds84182> lol
L390[13:46:12] <Caitlyn> %+100
gamax92
L391[13:46:13] <MichiBot> Caitlyn: gamax92
now has 100 points
L392[13:46:24] <gamax92> %+100
Caitlyn
L393[13:46:25] <MichiBot> gamax92: Caitlyn
now has 381 points
L394[13:46:27] <XDjackieXD> wut?
points?
L395[13:46:30] <Caitlyn> \o/
L396[13:46:37] <Caitlyn> "Internet
Points, where everything is made up, and the points don't
matter."
L397[13:46:45] <XDjackieXD> :P
L398[13:47:31] <XDjackieXD> %+956
Caitlyn
L399[13:47:31] <MichiBot> XDjackieXD:
Caitlyn now has 1337 points
L400[13:47:36] <XDjackieXD> XD
L401[13:47:37] <Caitlyn> \o/
L402[13:47:58] <gamax92> inb4 Caitlyn
arranges a deal with Sangar that the person with the highest points
gets a floating special thingabob
L403[13:48:06] <Sangar> >_>
L404[13:48:22] <XDjackieXD> ^,^
L405[13:48:22] <Caitlyn> To do that I'd
have to stop people from spamming the hell out of points.
L406[13:48:54] <Sangar> %--1 Sangar
L407[13:48:57] <XDjackieXD> yep. and stop
them from giving points to themself (but then there would be people
creating second accounts...)
L408[13:48:59] <Sangar> pfft
L409[13:49:11] <Caitlyn> %+10
Caitlyn
L410[13:49:11] <MichiBot> Caitlyn: You can
not give yourself points.
L411[13:49:12] <XDjackieXD> Sangar: only 1
"-" I think ^^
L412[13:49:14] <Caitlyn> That's already a
thing
L413[13:49:18] <XDjackieXD> ok
L414[13:49:26] <Caitlyn> and no, you can't
take points :p
L415[13:49:28] <Sangar> XDjackieXD, but i
wanted a +1 pretending to sub one :P
L416[13:49:30] <Caitlyn> Yet, anyway
L417[13:49:39] <XDjackieXD> Sangar:
:P
L418[13:49:58] <Caitlyn> Sangar, I strip
everything not a number from the update query
L419[13:50:20] <Sangar> %+1e10
Caitlyn
L420[13:50:20] <MichiBot> Sangar: Caitlyn
now has 1447 points
L421[13:50:27] <Sangar> welp
L422[13:50:38] <Caitlyn> :P
L423[13:50:43] <gamax92> LuaJ check:
L424[13:50:43] <gamax92> %+10_[`
Sangar
L425[13:50:44] <MichiBot> gamax92: Sangar
now has 10010 points
L426[13:50:47] <XDjackieXD> you destroyed
the 1337 points D:
L427[13:50:49] <XDjackieXD> XD
L428[13:51:36] <Sangar> i submit a
proposal to int.tryParse or whatever is equivalent in your bot's
native tongue :P
L429[13:52:03] <Caitlyn> Java
L430[13:52:06] <gamax92> Scala
L431[13:52:09] <Sangar> because exploits
are always fun
L432[13:52:10] <Sangar> oh?
L433[13:52:12] <gamax92> PHP
L434[13:52:21] <Sangar> node.js
L435[13:52:27] <ds84182> %+ABCDEFEF
L436[13:52:30] <ds84182> %+ABCDEFEF
gamax92
L437[13:52:47] <ds84182> %+-10
gamax92
L438[13:52:54] <gamax92> ds I will kill
you
L439[13:52:57] <ds84182> Ok
L440[13:53:03] <ds84182> %+0x10
gamax92
L441[13:53:04] <MichiBot> ds84182: gamax92
now has 110 points
L442[13:54:01] <Sangar> %+2147483646
gamax92
L443[13:54:02] <MichiBot> Sangar: gamax92
now has -2147483540 points
L444[13:54:06] <Sangar> hue hue
L445[13:54:08] <gamax92> XD
L446[13:54:13] <gamax92> Sangar
wins.
L447[13:54:24] <Caitlyn> Welp gamax92 will
never get a Special Thinger now.
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L449[13:54:43] <gamax92> no no,
Specialthingamabobber
L450[13:54:50] <ds84182> :O
L451[13:55:16] <ds84182> I'll fix
it.
L452[13:55:18] <ds84182> %+2147483646
gamax92
L453[13:55:19] <MichiBot> ds84182: gamax92
now has 106 points
L454[13:55:55] <Caitlyn> lol
L455[13:56:03] <Sangar> bigint, gogo
L456[13:56:13] <Caitlyn> Nah, that'd take
fucks to give.
L457[13:56:16] <Caitlyn> and I'm all
out.
L458[13:56:23] <gamax92> 100% accuracy
arbitrary precision unit.
L459[13:56:30] <Sangar> i tried
L460[13:56:33] <ds84182>
Caitlyn.fucks+=2147483646;
L461[13:56:34] <XDjackieXD> ^^
L462[13:56:42] <gamax92> negative
fucks
L463[13:57:04] <Caitlyn> :P
L464[13:57:29] <Sangar> eehhh, so steam
wants my phone number now? nooope
L465[13:58:02] <XDjackieXD> wat?
L466[13:58:23] <Sangar> notification like
the regular one to confirm the email address
L467[13:58:51] <Sangar> they already have
my credit information, what do they want my phone number for?
:X
L468[14:00:10] <ds84182> Sangar: So when
you call to bish about your account being stolen they can confirm
the identity or iddunno whatevers
L469[14:00:30] <Sangar> but that's what
they *say* so that can't be it, can it?
L470[14:00:54] <Kodos> As long as you
dont' be a dumbfuck, there's no situation in which steam would need
your number, imo
L471[14:01:59] <gamax92> my father's
currently being a dipshit again
L472[14:02:29] <gamax92> going off on a
rant on how virtual reality is useless and comparing it with a
stream of a dog pooping.
L473[14:02:44] <Kodos> Tell him I said
he's a moron
L474[14:02:46] <Sangar> >_>
L475[14:03:02] <Sangar> that'd be
rude
L476[14:03:08] <Sangar> if anything, tell
him the internet said he's a moron
L477[14:03:17] <Caitlyn> ^
L478[14:03:59] <Sangar> "1,650 Titles
You Marked As 'Not Interested'" sounds about right
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L484[14:25:31] <ds84182> I think it's
useless too, but I haven't had the experience to compare it to a
stream of dog pop
L485[14:25:33] <ds84182> *poop
L486[14:27:18] <XDjackieXD> ds84182: have
you every played a game like minecraft on a rift dk2?
L487[14:27:31] <XDjackieXD> (or the
vanishing of ethan carter)
L488[14:27:34] <ds84182> I don't want to,
thank you very much
L489[14:28:13] <XDjackieXD> It is great
and worth a try if the PC you try it on can handle steady 60+
FPS
L490[14:28:24] <ds84182> I don't even play
Minecraft anymore
L491[14:28:32] <ds84182> Let alone
survival
L492[14:28:45] <ds84182> I haven't
attempted to play survival since I purchased Minecraft.
L493[14:29:02] <ds84182> Hell, I don't
even play games anymore
L494[14:29:02] <Kathleen> I'm with ds84182
on this issue, at least at the moment. But I think that VR is (at
least for gaming) pretty much guaranteed in the future and I also
think we will see some pretty neat stuff sooner than later.
L495[14:29:24] <ds84182> And VR ensures
single player exclusivity
L496[14:29:28] <gamax92> well the context
was outside of gaming
L497[14:29:45] <ds84182> The small amount
of games I play now are family games that I enjoy with my
family
L498[14:29:51] <gamax92> as in stuff like
virtual flight stuff, because "throw them in an actual plane,
they'll have to be in one anyway"
L499[14:29:51] <Caitlyn> %+1
Kathleen
L500[14:29:52] <MichiBot> Caitlyn:
Kathleen now has 2001 points
L501[14:29:57] <ds84182> s/family/family
and friends
L502[14:29:57] <Kibibyte> <ds84182>
The small amount of games I play now are family and friends games
that I enjoy with my family
L503[14:30:04] <Kathleen> Also VR in
medicine is already a thing (since a few years actually) and I'm
really sure that that specific branch will greatly profit from VR
in games.
L504[14:30:18] <XDjackieXD> the vanishing
of ethan carter is really great for vr (even if not officially
supported) but games like cs:go or tf2 are virtually non playable
using vr...
L505[14:30:24] <gamax92> and medical
stuff
L506[14:30:54] <XDjackieXD> %+14
Kathleen
L507[14:30:54] <MichiBot> XDjackieXD:
Kathleen now has 2015 points
L508[14:31:10] <ds84182> %+0
Kathleen
L509[14:31:10] <MichiBot> ds84182:
Kathleen now has 2015 points
L510[14:31:12] <ds84182> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
L511[14:31:28] <Sangar> i imagine anything
where you also 'sit'-ish in the game (racing, mechs,
air/spacecraft) will be pretty amazing
L512[14:32:02] <XDjackieXD> Sangar: KSP in
first person :3
L513[14:32:14] *
XDjackieXD wants now :3
L514[14:32:18] <ds84182> Normally I praise
gimmicks, but VR, to me, feels like too much of a gimmick
L515[14:32:38] <Kathleen> ds84182: In
games currently - very much so.
L516[14:32:49] <ds84182> If you want games
to be realistic, then do the thing that you want to do instead of
doing it in a game
L517[14:33:09] <ds84182> If you want to
play racing games for a living, become a race car driver not a stay
at home slob
L518[14:33:13] <Kathleen> But flying
spaceships at 4c is a bit hard to do in real life....
L519[14:33:18] <Sangar> i can hardly to
spacecombat irl >_>
L520[14:33:31] <XDjackieXD> also I think
the steam vr will be great. 90FPS on a very high quality screen
with very precice headtracking :)
L521[14:33:48] <ds84182> Whats the need of
anything over 60?
L522[14:33:57] <ds84182> Soap Opera effect
is fucking terrible
L523[14:34:03] <XDjackieXD> it makes a big
difference in vr
L525[14:34:44] <ds84182> I just want games
to stay games and not become real life
L526[14:34:45] <XDjackieXD> Kathleen: not
accurate enough.
L527[14:35:18] <ds84182> So many games now
a days spend so much time on the graphics that the game itself is
terrible
L528[14:35:23] <Kathleen> XDjackieXD:
Better than what we have currently. And there's space for
improvement if you just throw money at it.
L529[14:35:25] <XDjackieXD> the
headtracking of steam vr has accuracy in sub-millimeter and this is
hardly enough...
L530[14:35:47] <XDjackieXD> a gps like
system (really big distances etc) will never get as
accurate...
L531[14:35:53] <Kathleen> The advantage of
GPS based systems is the portability factor
L532[14:35:57] <Kodos> Two great examples
of a game sacrificing graphics for good gameplay; SS13 and Powder
Toy
L533[14:36:06] <Kodos> Though both are
technically sandbox games
L534[14:36:09] <Kathleen> Minecraft?
L535[14:36:19] <Kodos> Minecraft to an
extent as well
L536[14:36:20] <Kodos> But
L537[14:36:25] <Kodos> The two I mentioned
aren't even 3D
L538[14:36:28] <ds84182> I find it insane
that some games (New Fatal Frame) need 21gb of disk space FOR
WHAT?
L539[14:36:46] <Kodos> A lot of games need
that for textures
L540[14:36:51] <ds84182> And why the hell
do games need multiple gigabytes of memory
L541[14:36:53] <Kodos> No idea why they
feel them necessary though
L542[14:36:57] <ds84182> Compressed
textures are fine
L543[14:37:08] <ds84182> Hell, compressed
high quality textures are enough for everything
L544[14:37:12] <XDjackieXD> ds84182: to
store textures and model files mainly.
L545[14:37:26] <ds84182> What models do
you have that need a couple of gigabytes of memory
L546[14:37:44] <ds84182> This is a
question specifically targeted to Square Enix and FF 15
L547[14:37:59] <shadowkin0721|Laptop>
Catgirls with realistic physics.
L548[14:38:06] <XDjackieXD> models not
really but textures need space
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L550[14:38:31] <Izaya> shadowkin0721 gets
it
L551[14:38:41] <ds84182> My thing is,
games now a day don't make an effort to exploit the hardware to
make awesome stuff
L552[14:38:46] <ds84182> Only Nintendo
still does this
L553[14:39:11] <ds84182> Looking back at
all of Factor 5's games, they murdered all the hardware they
targeted
L554[14:39:37] <ds84182> Rouge Squadron 2
and 3 could barely run in dolphin without a fight until about 5-6
months ago
L555[14:39:48] <ds84182> I want more games
like that
L556[14:40:07] <ds84182> I want games that
from both a technical and game mechanic standpoint are unique
L557[14:40:35] <ds84182> Not some Unity
bullshit that spawned out of someones ass one day because they
think they can make a game
L558[14:40:37] <XDjackieXD> ds84182: You
are correct that most of them don't squeeze everything out of the
hardware they have. Unreal Engine 4 is a good starting point though
(great, photorealistic games which don't need tha space of games
like gtav...)
L559[14:41:15] <ds84182> Unreal is a great
engine for absolutely murdering hardware, but then this goes back
to the problem with photorealism in games
L560[14:42:01] <ds84182> If video games
are meant to get away from reality, like movies and tv, then why
should games look like the reality we strive to get away
from?
L561[14:42:31] <CompanionCube> ds84182,
photorealism can be used for both good and bad
L562[14:42:44] <XDjackieXD> ds84182:
because you can do things in games you will most likely never get
to do in real life (like spacebattles :3)
L563[14:42:54] <CompanionCube> A
photorealistic fantasy environment could add to the immersion, the
escapism
L564[14:43:11] <CompanionCube> A
photorealistic regular environment is just a shitty copy of the
planet.
L565[14:43:21] <ds84182> But why waste all
your time on graphics when you could waste all your time on the
making the game?
L566[14:43:35] <CompanionCube> ds84182,
simple: don't
L567[14:43:40] <CompanionCube> you can add
the graphics later
L568[14:43:44] <CompanionCube> just start
with basic ones
L569[14:44:32] <ds84182> Well, from many
unfinished games I've seen today, they have good graphics (Holy
Hell, Sonic Boom), but bad gameplay (What the Fuck, Sonic
Boom)
L570[14:44:42] <XDjackieXD> graphics is
mostly a design choice. (realistic or non realistic style?, 2D or
3D?, ...)
L571[14:45:19] <XDjackieXD> but I hate the
fact that more and more big game dev studios bring out really buggy
versions of a game for the full price >.>
L572[14:45:21] <ds84182> But do you really
need to spend so much time on graphics to the point where it's 90%
of the game?
L573[14:46:04] <ds84182> Big game dev
studios bring out buggy versions of a game for full price because
when they are told they need to ship it tomorrow, bug fixing day
becomes graphics beefing day
L574[14:46:49] <ds84182> I love Nintendo
for delaying games, I don't give a shit if it means a better game
in the long run
L575[14:47:10] <ds84182> First impressions
can make or break you, I know from experience
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L577[14:50:42] <XDjackieXD> also I hate it
when games only get published for windows even if it would be a
one-click port (aka unreal and unity engine)... "not having
the money to dev for this platform" is no valid
excuse...
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L580[14:56:58] <ds84182> Hmm... a game
console with a completely programmable graphics pipeline would be
kinda cool... It would allow for some interesting
optimizations
L581[14:57:50] <ds84182> Like, where
graphics exist exclusively on the GPU and you just submit high
level commands to your own code running on the GPU
L582[14:58:57] <ds84182> And the GPU has
the ability to read a special area of memory where you can store
your own data in your own formats that work the best for you
L583[14:59:49] <ds84182> maybe read and
write instead of read only
L584[15:00:20] <Inari> just use a PC
L585[15:00:29] <ds84182> With that power,
you could trim out parts of the pipeline your don't need...
L586[15:00:47] <ds84182> Basically just a
better version of the Nintendo 64's graphics chip
L587[15:00:54] *
ds84182 would fall in love
L588[15:01:00] <Inari> lewd?
L589[15:01:07] <ds84182> Inari: Too
boring, all PCs are the same
L590[15:01:13] <Inari> lol
L591[15:02:16] <ds84182> Just think about
it for Minecraft... you could put chunk generation on the GPU and
forget about everything else on the CPU
L592[15:02:43] <ds84182> You could have
all rendering on the GPU and then just flip a few switches on the
CPU side to control drawing
L593[15:02:45] <XDjackieXD> ds84182: a
part of what you want to do is called "openCL"
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L595[15:03:09] <Lilly_Satou>
opencrash
L596[15:03:18] <ds84182> XDjackieXD: Yeah,
but OpenCL is too complicated to set up, and theres a fine line
between CL and GL
L597[15:03:21] <Lilly_Satou> dont do
opencl kids
L598[15:03:29] <XDjackieXD> also if mc
would upgrade to opengl3 they could render most of the things they
now do using the cpu using the gpu...
L599[15:03:51] <Lilly_Satou> will probably
never happen, because they want mc to run on older laptops...
L600[15:03:55] <Lilly_Satou> or
computers
L601[15:03:57] <Lilly_Satou> or w/e
L602[15:04:04] <Lilly_Satou> which makes
no sense because you need a really good pc to even run mc
L603[15:04:21] <ds84182> XDjackieXD:
Howso, because Geometry Shaders would process the geometry every
frame, while the thing I was describing would process the geometry
once and cache it somewhere
L604[15:04:24] <ds84182> but on the
GPU
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L606[15:04:36] <ds84182> Lilly_Satou: If
only !Java
L607[15:04:59] <XDjackieXD> someone wrote
a mc "world viewer" (aka unfinished game client :P) using
rust and ogl3 and it runs with 9000+ FPS absolutely recking my PC
if I don't lock the FPS...
L608[15:04:59] <Lilly_Satou> then modding
would be a bit more difficult :v
L609[15:05:12] <ds84182> Lilly_Satou: I
knowwwwwww
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L611[15:05:34] <ds84182> But hey, MC's
main focus was not modding when it started out
L612[15:05:41] <XDjackieXD> Lilly_Satou:
you can keep java mod compatible apis and write the main part in
c++, rust or something else that has performance :P
L613[15:06:03] <ds84182> XDjackieXD: Have
you ever seen anyone try to bridge C++ and Java together?
L614[15:06:06] <ds84182> It's fucking
nasty
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L616[15:06:37] <ds84182> And they loose
crossplatformness and gain people bitching about Minecraft not
working on Esoteric Platfor #89
L617[15:06:42] <ds84182>
s/Platfor/Platform
L618[15:06:42] <Kibibyte> <ds84182>
And they loose crossplatformness and gain people bitching about
Minecraft not working on Esoteric Platform #89
L619[15:06:43] <Lilly_Satou> java ->
c/c++ bridging is literally satan
L620[15:06:46] <Lilly_Satou> i've done
it
L621[15:06:46] <Lilly_Satou> once
L622[15:06:48] <Lilly_Satou> never
again
L623[15:07:29] <ds84182> The Dolphin
Emulator has trouble building for FreeBSD, and you (ofc) have to
jump over the landmines that are Windows and OSX
L624[15:07:31] <XDjackieXD> ds84182: rust
and c++ virtually compile on any modern platform (linux, osx,
windows, ...) if you pay a little bit of attention to platform
specific things...
L625[15:07:47] <ds84182> See:
landmines
L626[15:08:27] <ds84182> But the thing is
Mojang will now have to overcomplicate their not complicated build
system to support multiple architectures on multiple
platforms
L627[15:08:31] <XDjackieXD> I agree that
win and osx are landmines but the fact exists that most people use
it...
L628[15:09:38] <ds84182> At least with
Java they can push the blame to the consumer
L629[15:09:48] <XDjackieXD> ...
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L632[15:11:29] <Kodos> oh wow hqm is open
src now
L634[15:13:20] <XDjackieXD> nice
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L640[15:22:01] <Izaya> :/ mobile sites
crash my phone more than desktop ones
L641[15:23:00] <Kathleen> Yay for SPAs
\o/
L642[15:23:19] <Izaya> SPA?
L643[15:23:55] <Kathleen> Single-Page
Applications. You know, those huge overgrown "websites"
that try to be apps but just suck
L644[15:25:28] <Izaya> ah
L645[15:25:37] <Izaya> fuck those
L646[15:26:06] <Izaya> my phone has ~256M
RAM and no swap - and java
L647[15:26:26] <Izaya> Phone just
dies
L649[15:28:16] <Sangar> i'm off o/
L650[15:29:32] <Kathleen> byee
L651[15:30:09] <CompanionCube> Kathleen,
don't they also typically use JS-heavy frameworks
L652[15:30:14] <CompanionCube> e.g Ember,
Angular
L653[15:30:40] <CompanionCube> *glares at
Discourse*
L654[15:31:06] <Temia> Guh.
L655[15:31:13] <Kathleen> CompanionCube: I
know of no way to not realize SPAs using JS. They have to be client
side after all.
L656[15:31:20] *
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L657[15:32:03] *
Temia squeakmoo.
L658[15:32:10] *
Temia hugs Gamax sleepily. =.=
L659[15:34:13] <ds84182> PNACL is the
future.
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L661[15:35:16] <CompanionCube> Kathleen,
they don't have to use heavyweight frameworks though do they
L662[15:35:50] <Kathleen> CompanionCube:
No, not necessarily
L663[15:36:12] <Kathleen> ds84182: Google
Native Client is the worst abdomination after WebGL and
asm.js
L664[15:36:39] <ds84182> Kathleen: It's
better than writing crap in Javascript
L665[15:36:50] <CompanionCube> what about
webassembly
L666[15:36:55] <Lilly_Satou> cobol on cogs
boys
L667[15:36:57] <ds84182> CompanionCube: It
changes nothing
L668[15:36:58] <Lilly_Satou> the future of
webdev
L669[15:37:07] <ds84182>
NOOOOOOTHING
L670[15:37:10] *
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L671[15:37:10] <ds84182> nou
L673[15:37:12] <Lilly_Satou> its
L674[15:37:12] <Lilly_Satou> a
L675[15:37:13] <Lilly_Satou> real
thing
L676[15:37:27] <Kathleen> CompanionCube
ds84182: The problem is that you just download random code and have
it execute on your computer in a "sandbox" that's
"safe".
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L678[15:38:13] *
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L679[15:38:15] <ds84182> Well, it manually
scrubs through instructions that run and skips them if deemed
unsafe
L680[15:38:19] <Kathleen> CompanionCube:
Webassembly in particular is Native client in done badly.
L681[15:38:24] <gamax92> ... wat.
L682[15:38:26] <Lilly_Satou> gamax92:
dean4devil
L683[15:38:28] <Lilly_Satou> kek
L684[15:38:31] <gamax92> oh.
L685[15:38:34] <gamax92> and you're
dai
L686[15:38:36] <Lilly_Satou> it was
literally
L687[15:38:36] <Kathleen> ds84182: Its
google. I don't trust them for shit.
L688[15:38:37] <Lilly_Satou> a whois
L689[15:38:39] <Lilly_Satou> and yes
L690[15:38:40] <Lilly_Satou> im dai
L691[15:38:40] <gamax92> because only you
would say kek
L692[15:38:52] <CompanionCube> gamax92,
you should use /whois more often
L693[15:38:54] <ds84182> Kathleen: Thats
not much of an argument is it?
L694[15:39:02] <gamax92> where does it say
this in the whois D:
L695[15:39:11] <CompanionCube> *
[Kathleen] is logged in as Dean4Devil
L696[15:39:18] <gamax92> I don't see
this.
L697[15:39:28] <Caitlyn> gamax92, try
/whois nick nick
L698[15:39:44] <ds84182> Thats like when
someone says something sensible in an argument then the other
person replies "Shut up." in an attempt to maintain what
they feel is right.
L699[15:39:46] <gamax92> ... why does that
work.
L700[15:39:48] <Caitlyn> /whois nick works
fine for me though
L701[15:39:55] <Kathleen> ds84182: Well,
look how well scripting sandboxes for Javascript fare when it comes
to Security, then look at how much worse bytecode ones are and then
have a look at the kind of people that develop that stuff at
google.
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L703[15:40:16] <ds84182> Javascript is a
whole nother monster
L704[15:40:36] <Kathleen> ds84182: You
said static analysis will protect you from holes. Thats not an
argument either.
L705[15:40:39] <ds84182> And Google has
been exploit testing their software before they get out
L706[15:40:46] <ds84182> It's not static
analysis, either
L707[15:41:33] <ds84182> If I remember
correctly, PNACL is just LLVM bytecode. That LLVM bytecode is
compiled into machine code in a sandbox, then executed in a sandbox
process that is controlled using the OS's security measures
L708[15:42:04] <ds84182> And by OS's
security measures, I mean ram limiting, resource access limiting,
and ofcourse, filesystem access limiting
L709[15:42:17] <ds84182> Let me fetch a
link real quick.
L710[15:42:22] <Kathleen> My problem is
not the specific technology used anywhere. Its the "download
random - unreadable - code and execute is more or less trusted on
my computer" part that worries me.
L711[15:42:53] <ds84182> Well, isn't that
the same thing as executing Javascript then?
L712[15:42:59] <ds84182> It is put through
a static JIT
L713[15:43:07] <ds84182> Just like
Javascript is
L714[15:43:11] <Kathleen> JS is
structurally at least a tiny itsy bit more secure than WebGL/Native
Client/Webassembly
L715[15:43:14] <ds84182> It's just a fact
of how it's represented
L716[15:43:20] <ds84182> >more
secure
L717[15:43:22] <Kathleen> Well, not
really
L718[15:43:23] <ds84182> >JS
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L720[15:43:42] <ds84182> Like I said, one
sec, lemme fetch a link
L721[15:43:46] <Kathleen> Yes. More secure
than running fucking bytecode.
L723[15:44:33] <Kathleen> And also more
secure than dumping code directly on one's GPU for that
matter
L724[15:44:39] <ds84182> Simply search
NaCL in the page then start reading
L725[15:45:02] <ds84182> Kathleen: Then
what's your stance on Java
L726[15:45:08] <CompanionCube> One thing
that's curious about my tablet: On the GLSL sandbox, if you never
set the fragcolor, you get artifacts
L727[15:45:13] <ds84182> It seems you have
a tinfoil hat on for basically everything.
L728[15:45:14] <Kathleen> I FUCKIN HATE
JAVA. STILL.
L729[15:45:22] <ds84182> I was
right.
L730[15:45:22] <Kathleen> ds84182: Yes
:3
L731[15:45:26] <Izaya> You can use that
exploit to break out of a VM in something other than asm,
right?
L732[15:45:31] <CompanionCube> Perhaps the
shitty driver / implementation is accessing uninitialised
memory.
L733[15:45:50] <Kodos> ~w
table.insert
L735[15:46:03] <ds84182> The rowhammer bug
is an actual hardware bug, so it's not like software is a
problem
L736[15:46:07] <Izaya> A C compiler will
output the neccesary machine code, right?
L737[15:46:30] <Kathleen> ds84182: But
when I run code that I have downloaded from a trusted source I do
like that more than just downloading code from pretty much
everywhere and their grandmother, as its happening with JS and will
happen with all the other client-side scripting solutions.
L738[15:47:05] <Kathleen> Izaya: You can
break out in every language that can generate that exploit. Even
python for that matter.
L739[15:47:20] <ds84182> Kathleen: I don't
think you've ever actually used something in PNaCL before, have
you
L740[15:47:27] <ds84182> It asks you if
you want to run it first
L741[15:47:31] <Izaya> even
javashit?
L742[15:47:44] <Kathleen> And I'm sure
there won't be a "don't ask me again
L743[15:47:48] <Kathleen> "
button
L744[15:48:21] <ds84182> Kathleen: Because
if a user accidentally hits a dont ask me again button and doesn't
know how to go to settings to unset it, they will conclude that the
browser's broken
L745[15:48:30] <ds84182> Not everything is
made for you, you know.
L746[15:48:30] <Kathleen> Look ds84182,
I'm not alone in my network. Other people in here are virus magnets
like hell. And if I can just have them not open just another hole
I'll be happy
L747[15:48:50] <ds84182> Kathleen: Maybe
you should sandbox them
L748[15:49:01] <ds84182> Just a
suggestion.
L749[15:49:04] <Kathleen> And I just can't
imagine any of the said technology to be secure for your average
idiot
L750[15:49:22] <ds84182> Maybe you should
sandbox them.
L751[15:49:37] <Kathleen> Or just don't
open the hole in the first place?
L752[15:49:45] <Kathleen> I personally
like that more.
L753[15:49:45] <ds84182> Or maybe don't
let them use a computer.
L754[15:49:54] <Kathleen> Thats sadly not
an option
L755[15:50:01] <gamax92> the above
conversation applies to sex
L756[15:50:04] <ds84182> Limiting everyone
because you don't want grandma to get hurt is kinda assholeish in
the first place
L757[15:50:35] <Kathleen> ds84182: Opening
holes for everybody just so you can try out shiny new stuff is too,
isn't it?
L758[15:50:52] <ds84182> Lets just simply
limit the scope of technology so that every operating system is
just made up of foam squares so nobody can get hurt on the dull
edged internals
L759[15:51:17] <ds84182> Kathleen: Well,
it's as simple as don't throw shiny new stuff out there until it's
proven safe
L760[15:51:20] <ds84182> And it is
L761[15:51:25] <ds84182> And they threw it
out there
L762[15:51:28] <Kathleen> No. But lets do
some basic security measures. And for me that includes not running
code from everywhere on your computer for lulz.
L763[15:51:44] <ds84182> Well then, you
could say that about the web as a whole
L764[15:51:49] <Kathleen> Yes!
L765[15:51:51] <ds84182> Go turn
Javascript off. I dare you.
L766[15:51:54] <Kathleen> I do
L767[15:51:59] <Kathleen> NoScript all the
way
L768[15:52:07] <gamax92> links2
L769[15:52:09] <ds84182> Oh yes, I forgot
about the tinfoil hat on your head
L770[15:52:11] <Kathleen> I can give you
the exact list of scripts enabled if you want
L771[15:52:12] <gamax92> no js
support.
L772[15:52:29] <ds84182> I actually don't
care about what scripts you have enabled or not
L773[15:52:31] <gamax92> also no support
for basic features of the modern web :P
L774[15:52:32] <Kathleen> ds84182: You can
drop the tinfoil hat thing. ad hominem doesn't work on me :P
L775[15:52:43] <ds84182> ad
dowhatem?
L776[15:52:49] <gamax92> attacking the
person
L777[15:52:53] <Kathleen> ^
L778[15:52:58] <ds84182> But I attack
everybody
L779[15:53:01] <Kathleen> I know
L780[15:53:01] *
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L781[15:53:05] <Kathleen> So do I :P
L782[15:53:22] *
Kathleen stabs gamax92 too
L783[15:53:24] *
gamax92 holds Boop.tar.gz
L784[15:53:33] <ds84182> gamax92: I'll
fucking sue bitch
L785[15:53:45] <gamax92> I'm kidding
L786[15:53:50] <gamax92> nobody wants that
piece of trash
L787[15:53:57] <ds84182> I'm going to sue
now.
L788[15:54:09] <Izaya> boop?
L789[15:54:11] <Caitlyn> I have it toooo
:P
L790[15:54:17] <ds84182> I'll stab you all
:(
L791[15:54:19] <CompanionCube> why do you
care about Boop.tar.gz
L792[15:54:26] <Kathleen> Izaya: About
your question: Python actually allows for some rather low level
stuff (well, if you have C binding that is). I don't know if JS has
something similar.
L793[15:54:55] <ds84182> Typed
Arrays.
L794[15:55:10] <Izaya> oic, it needs
bindings
L795[15:55:29] <ds84182> And for the
record, why are you here if you don't trust code being run from
unknown sources, which is exactly what OC does?
L796[15:55:31] <Kathleen> Izaya: ds84182
is actually correct on that
L797[15:55:59] <Kathleen> ds84182: OC does
not allow bytecode by default. I can read every peace of code OC
runs.
L798[15:56:07] <Kathleen> Also I do trust
Sangar
L799[15:56:23] <Kathleen> Also piece of
code.
L800[15:56:39] <ds84182> You trust Sangar,
but not Google? Haven't you seen the vendor specific calls that are
not present in the OC source code?
L801[15:56:41] <gamax92> modding is a
giant trust excersize, could very well make a mod to steal and eat
everything on the computer.
L802[15:56:44] <Izaya> OC is free as in
beer and stallman
L803[15:57:02] <ds84182> gamax92: Exactly
:P
L804[15:57:24] <Kathleen> ds84182: You are
correct. I do not trust a multinational corporation that only wants
to generate money over a person I know personally.
L805[15:57:48] <Izaya> yet Minecraft is
not free, tis funny
L806[15:57:55] <ds84182> Kathleen: Well,
you can't have a multinational corporation that cares about every
single one of it's users
L807[15:58:02] <ds84182> Thats not
possible
L808[15:58:05] <ds84182> Too many
users
L809[15:58:14] <Kathleen> ds84182: I don't
expect any one to do sp.
L810[15:58:17] <Kathleen> *so.
L811[15:58:27] <gamax92> sure it is, send
out an automated unchanged letter except for who it's addressed
to
L812[15:58:46] <ds84182> And money keeps
you afloat
L813[15:58:50] <ds84182> Shit, colluseum
in one minute
L814[15:58:53] <ds84182> WHERE THE FUCK IS
MY PHONE
L815[15:58:57] <Kathleen> I don't *blame*
Google for what they do. I would probably do the same. But I would
not expect everybody to trust me.
L816[15:59:39] <gamax92> "Dear
Joe
Bobby We care about you ... blah blah blah flattery words give
us your money.
L817[15:59:39] <Kathleen> They have
projects which I think have a bright future if done correctly. The
autonomous car for example.
L818[16:00:15] <Izaya> "When you
program open-source, you're programming COMMUNISM" ~MS caring
about its users, probably
L819[16:01:03] <Izaya> (I know, MS didn't
make the poster, it's a joke)
L820[16:01:52] <ds84182> Let me reference
this line from "OC": vendorSpecificImplementation
callNonFreeNativeLibraryFunction
"killComputer_TakeMoney"
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L822[16:03:18] <Izaya> stealing BTC
L824[16:06:05] <Izaya> ohai S3
L825[16:06:25] <Izaya> your FORTH can
strings right?
L826[16:07:14] <S3> I didn't write the
support for them but there's nothing preventing them from being
added
L827[16:07:19] <S3> you can just add a
s" construct
L828[16:07:28] <Izaya> ohok
L829[16:07:29] <S3> tream them as a LIT
maybe
L830[16:07:45] <S3> I need to finish
working on that
L831[16:07:48] <Izaya> I'll need to look
into it
L832[16:08:47] <S3> I wonder if soundcloud
will let me upload stuff and keep it private
L833[16:08:55] <S3> as in only if you go
to my channel you will see my stuff
L834[16:21:42] <CompanionCube> Izaya, who
are you stealing them from
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L836[16:28:04] <Izaya> no
L837[16:28:05] <S3> ok lets try
soundcloud
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L840[16:30:46] <S3> ok! testing soundcloud
:)
L842[16:31:13] <S3> frigging google
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L844[16:33:06] <vifino> ohai Izaya
L845[16:34:39] <S3> vifino: there you
happy?
L846[16:34:43] <S3> I'm using soundcloud
now :P
L847[16:34:49] <S3> because you complained
last time
L848[16:35:13] <vifino> woo
L849[16:35:26] <vifino> I don't remember I
complained, but whatever.
L851[16:38:43] <S3> I have to share a
special link instead, wtf
L853[16:38:47] <S3> there.
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L874[19:39:59] <gamax92> do you think
Sangar would accept such a patch?
L875[19:40:12] <gamax92> luajit's
supported such things for ~6 years now
L876[19:44:55] <Inari> today's
observations: when everyone tries to be non-standard, the standard
becomes hard to find
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L885[21:11:12] <vifino> gamax92: Does that
mean I can have a lambda as a function/variable? :D
L886[21:11:37] <gamax92> yes
L887[21:11:45] <vifino> can has
patch?
L888[21:12:06] <gamax92> sure, lemme just
redo it again though (different computer.)
L889[21:12:11] <gamax92> vifino: assuming
5.3?
L890[21:12:16] <vifino> yeah
L891[21:12:30] <vifino> though I wouldn't
mind 5.1 too.
L892[21:12:43] <gamax92> 5.1's patch is
quite different
L893[21:12:44] <vifino> gamax92: Posted it
on the mailing list yet?
L894[21:12:51] <gamax92> no?
L895[21:13:09] <vifino> Why not, just
cleaning it up?
L896[21:13:44] <gamax92> doing it
correctly would require a lot more code
L897[21:13:52] <gamax92> also because I've
never used a mailing list
L898[21:15:09] <vifino> oh well
L899[21:15:30] <vifino> Well, at least
with the mailing list I can help you.
L901[21:27:17] <vifino> wow, it is shorter
than I expected o.o
L902[21:27:45] <vifino> Will try it
sometime(tm).
L903[21:27:50] <gamax92> it just marks the
entire 0x80 to 0xFF range as alpha and printable, similar to what
luajit does, which is mark 0x80 to 0xFF as valid identifiers
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L906[22:03:27] <shadowkin0721> Someone
please tell me there's a way to get the correct answer from
getMaxEnergyStored and getEnergyStored when an adapter is attached
to an EnderIO capacitor bank. Because all I'm getting is the value
of one block despite the size of the bank.
L907[22:03:46] <Kodos|Zzz> Do you have
computronics
L908[22:04:25] <gamax92> computronics
fixes and implements various mod compatibility stuff
L909[22:04:35] <shadowkin0721> I haven't
added it to that instance; I will now.
L910[22:04:50] <Kodos|Zzz> Pretty much
what gamax said, including what you're asking
L911[22:05:07] <shadowkin0721> Thanks
:D
L912[22:05:27] <shadowkin0721> Does it
also fix all of the EnderIO capacitor tiers having the same
component name?
L913[22:06:46] <Kodos|Zzz> No, that's
working as intended
L914[22:07:06] <shadowkin0721>
>.>
L915[22:07:18] <Kodos|Zzz> However once
you have Computronics, one adapter on a bank multiblock will count
the entire multiblock as one capacitor_bank
L916[22:09:01] <shadowkin0721> Yeah, I
just got that in and checked. A bit weird that they wouldn't label
basic and vibrant though
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L918[22:18:47] <Kodos> I wish there was a
way to check github history on a single line of code
L919[22:19:47] <shadowkin0721> So people
could spam search "print("Hello
world!")"?
L921[22:20:12] <Kodos> No. It's because I
want to know how long a bug has been around after I figure out it
was a one line fix
L922[22:20:41] <shadowkin0721> haha
L923[22:37:16] <Kodos> Okay, time to make
a redstonePulse function
L924[22:40:02] <Kodos> Well, that was
easy
L925[22:41:03] <shadowkin0721>
redstonePulse? Output a redstone signal of a given length in
ticks?
L926[22:41:19] <Kodos> Yup, on a certain
side, and if available, on a certain color
L927[22:41:31] <shadowkin0721> Nice.
L928[22:41:36] <shadowkin0721> I didn't
think about color.
L929[22:48:11] <Caitlyn> %flip
tables
L930[22:48:11] <MichiBot> Caitlyn:
(╯°□°）╯︵sǝlqɐʇ
L931[22:49:45] <shadowkin0721> OK, further
silliness question: Do rotational dynamos serve as
adapters/components, in that they let you see the RotaryCraft bits
behind them? I had an AdvancedGear show up that I couldn't really
figure out anything else.
L932[22:51:10] <Kodos> I've never been
able to get RotaryCraft to work properly as components
L933[22:51:37] <Kodos> I usually use
bundled cable and project blue control panels for RoC/ReaC
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L935[22:52:43] <shadowkin0721> :(
L936[22:52:56] <shadowkin0721> I'm just
starting to poke at it. Any chance you can summarize the issues you
ran into?
L937[22:53:28] <Caitlyn> Every block is a
friggen component.
L938[22:53:48] <Caitlyn> Or, it was last
time I tried..
L939[22:54:47] <shadowkin0721> Oh jesus
christ you're right
L940[22:54:56] <shadowkin0721> wtf
Reika
L941[22:55:20] <Caitlyn> And this has been
brought up a number of times and the reply is "It has to be
that way"
L942[22:55:22] <shadowkin0721> ...ohlol
didn't see that said mod developer is actually here
L943[22:57:21] <Caitlyn> Yeah, it makes RC
pretty much unusable from OC
L944[22:57:30] <Caitlyn> s/RC/RtC/
L945[22:57:30] <Kodos> I thought the issue
was more specifically the blocks try to add themselves as
components recursively, so if you have two blocks, it constantly
adds one then the other
L946[22:57:31] <Kibibyte> <Caitlyn>
Yeah, it makes RtC pretty much unusable from OC
L947[22:57:45] <Caitlyn> Kodos, I've not
had that issue
L948[22:57:55] <Kodos> No idea then, maybe
I'm crazy
L949[22:58:03] <Caitlyn> but I did have a
largish setup that overloaded a T3 server with maxed component
busses.
L950[22:58:35] <Caitlyn> because
*errythang* was a component, shaft? component. gear box?
component.
L951[22:58:48] <Kodos> Indeed
L952[22:59:14] <Kodos> Drullkus mentioned
Twilight Forest on Twitter, and it reminded me that I've had the TF
IRC channel in my possession now for over a year, waiting on Beni
to come back and want it again
L953[22:59:20] <Caitlyn> implement
Environment on stuff that doesn't NEED a component make a node with
no component and you get the same result, but without overloading
the component network
L954[22:59:55] <shadowkin0721> Kodos, I
haven't seen that but I just put a Vandegraff next to an Industrial
Coil next to a Rotational Dynamo next to the PC, and all of them
shopw up in component.list.
L955[23:00:10] <shadowkin0721> show*
L956[23:00:31] <Kodos> No idea. I'm still
working on finding a cobbleworks flowchart
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L960[23:13:08] <Kodos> Cobbleworks are
hard to plan out
L961[23:14:43] <Caitlyn> Ugh finally got
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L962[23:15:02] <Caitlyn> Kinda important
for storing pages of data in a single item..
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L965[23:21:07] <Caitlyn> Fuck it. I need
sleep
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