OCLogs: 2015-09-27.log

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L2[00:30:33] <sAm> is it possible to hack opencomputers computers (not real ones, I'm not a crimimal) remotely

L3[00:31:08] <sAm> using exploitation techiniques such as code injection

L4[00:31:12] <gamax92> sAm is a criminal

L5[00:32:01] <sAm> no I'm not I have never hacked a real computer although I have been on hackthissite a lot but that is perfectly legal

L6[00:33:30] <gamax92> :O It's even worse than I though

L7[00:33:39] <sAm> I only learned about code injection when I was taught in computer science how to design secure applications that are resistant to sql injections

L8[00:33:46] <gamax92> sAm is a super criminal

L9[00:33:52] <sAm> why?

L10[00:35:39] <sAm> hackthissite has hack "missions" where you have complete authorization to do so and hacking requires by definiton unauthorized access

L11[00:36:50] <gamax92> #lua "\u1f414"

L12[00:36:50] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > [string "lua"]:1: missing '{' near '"\u1'

L13[00:36:58] <gamax92> wat

L14[00:37:14] <gamax92> #lua "z"

L15[00:37:15] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > z

L16[00:37:28] <sAm> look it up

L17[00:37:33] <gamax92> #lua "\u{1f414}"

L18[00:37:34] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > ?

L19[00:37:46] <gamax92> ehh, box

L20[00:38:12] <gamax92> #lua "\u{2660}"

L21[00:38:12] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > ♠

L22[00:38:14] <gamax92> :D

L23[00:39:26] <Kodos> #lua return Izaya

L24[00:39:30] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L25[00:39:32] <Kodos> hm

L26[00:39:39] <Kodos> Sandbox must reset automatically

L27[00:39:40] <gamax92> #lua 0b101010LL

L28[00:39:40] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > [string "lua"]:1: malformed number near '0b101010'

L29[00:39:51] <gamax92> no it got reset a couple of times today

L30[00:40:09] <Kodos> Ah

L31[00:44:58] <sAm> #lua cd ..

L32[00:45:03] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > [string "lua"]:1: syntax error near '..'

L33[00:45:25] <sAm> #lua print ("hi")

L34[00:45:25] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > hi | nil

L35[00:45:32] <sAm> #lua ls

L36[00:45:32] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L37[00:45:43] <sAm> #lua x=1

L38[00:45:43] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L39[00:45:56] <sAm> #lua print (x)

L40[00:45:57] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 1 | nil

L41[00:46:21] <sAm> #lua x=1 print x

L42[00:46:21] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > [string "lua"]:1: syntax error near 'x'

L43[00:46:27] <sAm> #lua x=1,print x

L44[00:46:28] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > [string "lua"]:1: syntax error near <eof>

L45[00:46:51] <sAm> #lua x=1 print(x)

L46[00:46:51] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 1 | nil

L47[00:47:12] * Izaya yawns

L48[00:47:15] <Izaya> I was pinged?

L49[00:47:24] <gamax92> Izaya: nope, go back to sleep

L50[00:49:52] <Izaya> nou

L51[00:49:57] <Izaya> I want to play with nixos more

L52[00:50:45] <Izaya> http://i.imgur.com/QEIPT0I.png

L53[00:52:47] <Izaya> http://i.imgur.com/uDHquR3.png lm-sensors helps

L54[00:53:19] <sAm> can anyone answer my question instead of falsely accusing me of being a crimimal

L55[00:54:06] <Izaya> sAm, if they're programmed in a vunerable way, sure.

L56[00:54:50] <sAm> so yes

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L58[00:56:29] <Izaya> That's true for all software though.

L59[00:57:38] <sugoi> as much as i wanted to mock the question, i did enjoy the idea that modem_messages had some security vunerability that could be exploited to do crap to remote machines

L60[01:05:20] <Izaya> I once wrote a rootkit for plan9k machines

L61[01:05:28] <Izaya> installed it on Antheus' machine

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L63[01:09:08] <Izaya> back in 5, router's acting up

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L71[02:22:53] <dangranos2> hi

L72[02:26:04] <sugoi> dangranos2: yo

L73[02:27:07] <sugoi> доброе утро

L74[02:29:47] <dangranos2> huh

L75[02:32:19] <dangranos2> huh

L76[02:32:30] <dangranos2> so that arm arch code was released

L77[02:32:34] <dangranos2> "released"

L78[02:33:07] <Temia> Oh? "Released"?

L79[02:33:15] <Temia> This ought to be good. What's the catch?

L80[02:33:48] <dangranos2> author decided "i can't do it" and basically abandoned it

L81[02:34:23] <dangranos2> that's short (and rude) variant

L82[02:39:36] <dangranos2> https://www.patreon.com/posts/very-long-delay-3249403

L83[02:39:39] <dangranos2> here

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L85[02:44:25] <dangranos2> http://mcjarm.tejat.net/jarm_incomplete.tar.gz sources

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L109[05:45:10] <Inari> where are EEPROMs saved anyway

L110[05:46:08] <Turtle> I suspect in a component folder

L111[05:46:16] <Turtle> although they don´t use files

L112[05:46:23] <Inari> hrm

L113[05:47:36] <Inari> i just want an easier way to test drones x.x migth use netboot then

L114[05:49:24] <Temia> No, they're just NBT tags

L115[05:59:43] <Turtle> Temia: Isn´t there a thing, I forgot which component/peripheral/whatever it was that lets you read out nbt data?

L116[05:59:56] <dangranos3> mod

L117[06:00:08] <Temia> Database.

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L119[06:00:10] <dangranos3> OC doesn't do NBT directly. Never

L120[06:00:18] <Temia> Yes it does.

L121[06:00:22] <Temia> The Database upgrade.

L122[06:00:25] <dangranos3> biggest you'll get is "comparing NBT"

L123[06:00:37] <dangranos3> no?

L124[06:00:55] <Temia> Huh. Could've sworn.

L125[06:00:56] * Temia checks.

L126[06:01:44] <dangranos3> unless i missed sangar changing a mind on whole "direct nbt viewing" thing and etc

L127[06:02:00] <Vexatos> you can compare different entries in different databases

L128[06:02:05] <Vexatos> entries in the same database

L129[06:02:10] <dangranos3> iirc you can use debug card to use nbt

L130[06:02:11] <Temia> Okay, no, you're right. By default it doesn't.

L131[06:02:11] <Vexatos> and you can get basic info on an item

L132[06:02:36] <Temia> Whether or not the documentation is erroneous in that a nondefault config can change this, idk.

L133[06:02:51] <Temia> And idc because my gaming laptop is all the way on the other side of the bed

L134[06:03:16] <dangranos3> Temia, source lurking time?

L135[06:03:24] <Temia> cba.

L136[06:03:36] <Temia> Also I'm going to bury you in tlas until I fall asleep

L137[06:03:39] <Temia> :>

L138[06:03:52] <dangranos3> in what?

L139[06:05:11] <dangranos3> windows's eclipse interface theming features suck, you still get stuck with windows buttons and etc

L140[06:06:00] <Temia> solution: don't use either for your dev environment

L141[06:06:00] <Temia> <3

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L143[06:07:28] <dangranos3> uh?

L144[06:07:45] <Inari> whys there no netboot in openprograms <.<

L145[06:08:13] <Temia> Allow me to rephrase.

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L147[06:08:30] <dangranos3> Inari, publish one?

L148[06:08:30] <Temia> Of the following two systems you are using, both Windows and Eclipse... don't use either for your development environment.

L149[06:08:43] <Temia> <3

L150[06:08:45] <Inari> but im lazy :P

L151[06:08:46] <dangranos3> Temia, i undestood that part

L152[06:08:50] <Temia> ah.

L153[06:08:53] <Temia> Was it the heart?

L154[06:09:00] <dangranos3> i didn't got the part with eclipse

L155[06:09:17] <Temia> It's a bloated piece of junk :p

L156[06:09:18] <Inari> nah windows is okay :P

L157[06:09:40] <dangranos3> (i'm stuck with win

L158[06:09:52] <Temia> Why stuck? >.>

L159[06:10:02] <dangranos3> laptop

L160[06:10:09] <dangranos3> uh.. the small ones

L161[06:10:10] * Temia looks at her college laptop.

L162[06:10:14] <dangranos3> and it's used by dad

L163[06:10:17] <Temia> Ah.

L164[06:10:24] <Temia> Okay I guess that could be a problem.

L165[06:10:25] <dangranos3> (mostly, for work)

L166[06:10:43] <dangranos3> well, i do have arch on 8GB flash drive but..

L167[06:10:44] <Temia> Shared usage can be a pain I suppose.

L168[06:10:47] <dangranos3> it's slow as ****

L169[06:10:52] <Temia> I wouldn't know though. Haven't had to worry about that for ten years.

L170[06:10:55] <dangranos3> the drive i mean

L171[06:11:30] <dangranos3> why so hate to eclipse?

L172[06:12:21] <Temia> Because it's fun to hate.

L173[06:12:47] <Temia> That's about it. I don't have any real beef despite the resource usage.

L174[06:13:53] <Inari> ~oc network

L175[06:13:53] <ocdoc> Predicted http://ocd.cil.li/item:network_card

L176[06:22:27] <Inari> ~oc shell

L177[06:22:27] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:shell

L178[06:22:35] <scj643> Hi

L179[06:23:11] <Inari> ~oc path

L180[06:23:11] <ocdoc> Predicted http://www.lua.org/manual/5.2/manual.html#pdf-math

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L183[06:27:47] <Inari> ~oc drone

L184[06:27:47] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:drone

L185[06:29:45] <Inari> oh look i got a kodos Oo http://akari.in/pinky_CSwHI

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L190[06:58:44] <Inari> why drone.getVelocity() ~= 0 when it isnt moving cuase its blcoked <.<

L191[06:58:59] <S3> Dangranos3

L192[06:59:14] <S3> Eclipse is the worst thing ever

L193[06:59:14] <dangranos3> uh?

L194[06:59:19] <dangranos3> okay?

L195[06:59:33] <S3> Okay.

L196[06:59:39] <LJack2k> Okay

L197[07:00:06] <S3> Oh ljack did you get your sphere

L198[07:00:22] <LJack2k> working on it. almost got it but it has holes in it

L199[07:00:24] <S3> I explained the mathematics last night

L200[07:00:35] <LJack2k> you did?

L201[07:00:40] <S3> Yes.

L202[07:01:16] <LJack2k> ah yes, but that was at 2:38 am for me. was already sleeping at that time

L203[07:01:25] <S3> Lol

L204[07:01:48] <S3> Still. Sphere is made of triangles just like circles :)

L205[07:01:55] <LJack2k> https://imgur.com/4dRA6RR

L206[07:01:58] <dangranos3> sphere?

L207[07:02:04] <LJack2k> this is what i have now

L208[07:02:12] <S3> Yes a sphere

L209[07:02:16] <LJack2k> but my math is so bad that i have no idea what im doing

L210[07:02:23] <dangranos3> what math?

L211[07:02:30] <dangranos3> hm

L212[07:02:34] <LJack2k> to calculate the pixels

L213[07:02:39] <S3> Neat sphere

L214[07:02:42] <LJack2k> http://pastebin.com/BJVh947X

L215[07:02:47] <S3> Ljack that looks cool

L216[07:03:23] <LJack2k> ultimatly i want to have a wireframe sphere that turn on its axis

L217[07:03:24] <S3> Ljack the math is different depending of you want the sphere solid or hollow.

L218[07:03:37] <LJack2k> hollow

L219[07:04:16] <S3> How much do you know about graphing?

L220[07:04:34] <S3> Do you know how translations work in functions?

L221[07:04:39] <LJack2k> lol that question :P

L222[07:04:41] <LJack2k> no

L223[07:04:49] <S3> So. I'll

L224[07:05:16] <LJack2k> and english is not my native tongue so that makes it even harder

L225[07:05:26] <S3> I guess I'll use a simple function.. If I have f(X) = mx + b

L226[07:05:35] <S3> That should look familiar btw

L227[07:05:52] <LJack2k> sorry

L228[07:05:59] <S3> The +b is the vertical translation of the graph

L229[07:06:05] <S3> Or function

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L231[07:06:28] <S3> You've never seen y = mx + b?

L232[07:06:43] <LJack2k> not in my books

L233[07:06:56] <S3> Never taken algebra?

L234[07:07:04] <LJack2k> nope

L235[07:07:08] <S3> Oh..

L236[07:07:13] <LJack2k> thats why i said my math is bad

L237[07:07:17] <S3> Ok

L238[07:07:20] <LJack2k> specialy for these kind of things

L239[07:07:43] <S3> Well how good of a programmer are you

L240[07:08:03] <LJack2k> php with databases is what i normally do

L241[07:08:11] <S3> Cool

L242[07:08:20] <S3> So thinking like w programmer

L243[07:08:23] <S3> A*

L244[07:08:42] <S3> What does f(X) = X + 1 do?

L245[07:08:44] <scj643> I'm upgrading Ubuntu so I can get a better driver from Intel

L246[07:09:23] <LJack2k> isnt that the same as X = X + 1? f is just saying its a funtion?

L247[07:09:24] <S3> In math if I try f(3) I will get .....

L248[07:09:30] <S3> :)

L249[07:09:36] <S3> 4

L250[07:09:40] <scj643> Yep

L251[07:09:43] <LJack2k> that i get

L252[07:09:45] <S3> Functions exist on math to

L253[07:09:48] <S3> Too

L254[07:10:00] <LJack2k> alright

L255[07:10:05] <scj643> Upgrading Ubuntu because their sources are incompetent

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L257[07:10:40] <scj643> They can't handle upgrading the graphics system on LTS releases

L258[07:11:13] <S3> So f(X) = mx + b is the slope intercept form of a straight line

L259[07:11:54] <S3> M is the derivative of that line

L260[07:12:23] <S3> So you can effectively call m the slope

L261[07:13:13] * LJack2k reading figuring out where you are going with this

L262[07:13:34] <S3> I am just explaining basic graphing.

L263[07:14:03] <S3> Either way shipping ahead..

L264[07:14:07] <S3> Shipping

L265[07:14:13] <S3> Skipping wtf.

L266[07:14:16] <LJack2k> lol

L267[07:14:22] <S3> I'm on a phone.

L268[07:14:27] <scj643> Got to love that autocorrect

L269[07:14:31] <LJack2k> ah ok

L270[07:14:35] <scj643> Apple is just as bad

L271[07:14:37] <S3> So triangles.

L272[07:14:43] <Inari> got to love turning it off

L273[07:14:52] <S3> A triangle has 3 sides

L274[07:15:01] <scj643> I am jailbroken so I just flip a switch in control center

L275[07:15:28] <Izaya> >using anything apple

L276[07:15:34] <S3> And unless we're talking about an equalteral triangle

L277[07:15:56] <S3> The longest leg of the triangle is called the hypotenuse

L278[07:16:00] <scj643> Yep

L279[07:17:14] <scj643> Going to have to upgrade my system twice

L280[07:17:18] <scj643> https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads/intel-graphics-installer-linux-1.2.0

L281[07:17:35] <scj643> First to 14.10 then 15.04

L282[07:17:52] <S3> The length of a hypotenuse is c = sqrt( 2ab - cos (C)

L283[07:18:17] <scj643> Just learned that in pre-calf

L284[07:18:34] <scj643> Calc

L285[07:18:42] <scj643> Where C is an angle

L286[07:19:17] <S3> If the angle C is 90 degrees then cos(90) = zero and you get c^2 = a^2 + b^2

L287[07:19:26] <S3> Which is the organism thrown

L288[07:19:31] <S3> Pythagorean.

L289[07:19:36] <S3> Damn phone

L290[07:19:46] <LJack2k> that one i remember

L291[07:19:52] <S3> Theorem

L292[07:20:05] <scj643> That's one thing everyone should know

L293[07:20:17] <S3> Well the law of cuisines which I started above works on all triangles :)

L294[07:20:25] <S3> Stated

L295[07:20:40] <scj643> What about law of sines

L296[07:21:20] <S3> Anyways to draw circle you can put one point of the triangle at the Centrepoint origin where you want the circle and then use the hypotenuse of the triangle is the radius of that circle you could take a pencil and put it at the end of that radius and pivot triangle around and it will draw circle

L297[07:22:11] <scj643> ..... Going to make a visual somehow

L298[07:22:13] <S3> So therefore without concerning origin the equation of a circle is the Pythagorean theorem

L299[07:23:49] <S3> If you want origin you may want to use r = sqrt( (a + X)^2 + ( b + y)^2 )

L300[07:24:02] <S3> Where r is the raid

L301[07:24:06] <S3> Radius

L302[07:24:23] <LJack2k> well i did make a program that draws a circle: http://pastebin.com/4raR4Dii

L303[07:24:56] <LJack2k> (not the first for loop ofc)

L304[07:25:01] <S3> Four spheres if you have a squared equals B squared + C squared you then take if I recall the a squared and then put that in another Pythagorean theorem and then I'll help you draw sphere

L305[07:27:46] <scj643> Is that the type of stuff trig teaches me

L306[07:29:09] <S3> Usually pre calc but truth can too

L307[07:29:14] <S3> Trig

L308[07:29:28] <S3> I'm doing fun stuff!!!

L309[07:29:37] <S3> Integrals integrals integrals

L310[07:30:04] <S3> Integral calculus

L311[07:30:20] <dangranos3> >(I can't release the project with the original build infrastructure intact because it is entangled with a dozen other mods, some of which have never been—and never will be—released publicly.)

L312[07:30:21] <dangranos3> huh

L313[07:30:31] <S3> Then next is multivariate calculus

L314[07:30:40] <S3> Multi variable*

L315[07:30:48] <S3> Which o can already do some of

L316[07:30:51] <dangranos3> um, what are integrals?

L317[07:31:16] <S3> And then I have to take differential equations and linear algebra

L318[07:31:35] <scj643> It's pre calc

L319[07:31:54] <scj643> In my school pre calc and trig are the same class

L320[07:31:55] <LJack2k> some people have a brain for that. i clearly miss that :[

L321[07:32:04] <S3> Dangranos3: integrals are a means of finding the area underneath curves

L322[07:32:23] <S3> And they are not pre calc

L323[07:32:42] <scj643> Might have to end up doing a clean install of Ubuntu if his doesn't work

L324[07:33:00] <dangranos3> scj643, prepare your Ubuntu image :D

L325[07:33:09] <scj643> Lol

L326[07:33:18] <scj643> Ubuntu mate 15.04 here I come

L327[07:33:50] <scj643> Since the Intel drivers can't work with the LTS releases since Ubuntu puts a -LTS name on the packages

L328[07:34:36] <dangranos3> huh, that's all mod?

L329[07:35:04] <dangranos3> lol

L330[07:35:09] <scj643> Mod?

L331[07:35:16] <dangranos3> that arm arch mod

L332[07:35:25] <S3> I'm also taking semester two of calculus based physics this semester.

L333[07:35:46] <scj643> I heard arch Linux has a lot of packages

L334[07:36:51] <dangranos3> heh..

L335[07:37:16] <scj643> Might switch to it if the upgrade fails

L336[07:37:50] <scj643> My HDD is also partitioned with got

L337[07:37:53] <scj643> Gpt

L338[07:39:18] <scj643> I was thinking if you can make a circle couldn't you make a sphere by rotating it

L339[07:42:53] <dangranos3> sure, make a code that rotates it correctly..

L340[07:46:28] <scj643> A triangle that is isosceles where the hypotenuse is the only thing that changes

L341[07:46:45] <vifino> Morning everyoen.

L342[07:46:51] <vifino> everyone, even.

L343[07:46:54] <scj643> From the origin it rotates

L344[07:49:07] <scj643> Going to have to do a clean Ubuntu install damn

L345[07:50:33] <scj643> Would be easier but then I have to redownload and resetup steam

L346[07:52:57] <scj643> Good I still have a windows install USB incase grub goes south

L347[07:54:31] <scj643> Always have a windows install around if you use it

L348[07:54:45] <scj643> If you don't have some stable Linux install media around

L349[07:58:47] * vifino noms on Lizzy

L350[07:59:00] * Lizzy nyahs

L351[08:01:38] <dangranos3> scj643, so, just "have a backup system that will work if the main goes south"?

L352[08:01:49] <scj643> Yeah

L353[08:01:58] <Lizzy> oh shit, when did dangranos3 multiply?

L354[08:02:00] <scj643> Thing is I don't have the stuff to do full backups

L355[08:03:16] <dangranos3> Lizzy, :D

L356[08:03:40] <dangranos3> scj643, i mean "system" as in just a working system, not as backup of working one

L357[08:03:52] <scj643> Yeah

L358[08:14:56] <Lizzy> scj643, are you talking about backups for your personal stuff or the vps i gave you?

L359[08:15:10] <scj643> Personal stuff

L360[08:15:33] <dangranos3> ...vps?

L361[08:16:00] <Lizzy> dangranos3, Virtual Private Server

L362[08:16:03] <Lizzy> scj643, k

L363[08:16:17] <dangranos3> ._. i know what vps is

L364[08:18:35] <Inari> hm meh

L365[08:18:45] <Inari> im not sure how to mak semi-spheres of glass look well

L366[08:18:56] <Inari> ~oc fs

L367[08:18:56] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:filesystem

L368[08:19:16] <Inari> damn, cant watch files

L369[08:19:27] <Inari> ~oc drone

L370[08:19:27] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/component:drone

L371[08:22:19] <dangranos3> Inari, you could make a fs wrapper that supports watching?

L372[08:22:41] *** rakiru|offline is now known as Kasen

L373[08:22:42] <Inari> probably just wrapping the open methods tha tthen hooks the write methods :P or such

L374[08:22:45] <Inari> jsut hoped it would have that

L375[08:23:53] <Inari> where do i get plan9k from :3

L376[08:24:13] <Inari> ah loot disk

L377[08:26:05] <Inari> i wonder if anyone made a voice synthesizer in OC..

L378[08:32:21] <Inari> ~oc component api

L379[08:32:21] <ocdoc> http://ocd.cil.li/api:component

L380[08:32:44] *** Cranium[Away] is now known as Cranium

L381[08:35:32] * Mimiru slaps cloakable

L382[08:35:32] * EnderBot2 rulls on the floor laughing

L383[08:35:58] * cloakable spills her tea on Mimiru

L384[08:36:08] <cloakable> D:

L385[08:36:36] <vifino> o.o

L386[08:36:57] <dangranos3> Mimiru, what happened?

L387[08:37:00] <Inari> 128 mins tape drive sounds insane xD

L388[08:37:03] <Mimiru> Also.. I think I have too many devices yelling at me when I get github notifications.

L389[08:37:11] <Izaya> vifino, you know how you asked about my impressions of NixOS?

L390[08:37:14] <cloakable> I made a feature request on opensecurity

L391[08:37:15] <Mimiru> Tablet, Phone, IRC client, computer

L392[08:37:19] <vifino> Izaya: Yes.

L393[08:37:27] <Izaya> Well I have come to a conclusion

L394[08:37:32] <vifino> And?

L395[08:37:38] <Izaya> It's got all the advantages of Ubuntu Snappy

L396[08:37:41] <Izaya> but without all the suck

L397[08:37:49] <vifino> lol

L398[08:37:49] <cloakable> I turned off github email notifications haha

L399[08:38:06] <Izaya> Also, source-based, not binary-based

L400[08:38:07] <Izaya> hashes

L401[08:38:09] <Izaya> HASHES

L402[08:38:35] <Izaya> yeah I've been awake too long

L403[08:38:41] <vifino> Noticed.

L404[08:39:07] <vifino> Sounds nice though.

L405[08:39:15] <vifino> I have no idea what ubuntu snappy is tho.

L406[08:39:44] <cloakable> An old version of ubuntu xD

L407[08:39:50] <Izaya> http://sandervanderburg.blogspot.it/2015/04/an-evaluation-and-comparison-of-snappy.html

L408[08:39:51] <cloakable> iirc

L409[08:40:03] <Izaya> Snappy Core is a system with containers and shit

L410[08:40:10] <cloakable> Aha

L411[08:40:13] <Inari> tapedrive.seek OP

L412[08:40:21] <Izaya> designed to be like fast to install stuff and crap

L413[08:40:26] <Izaya> and rollbacks and shit

L414[08:40:41] <vifino> aha.

L415[08:41:32] <Izaya> their implimentation sorta sucked though

L416[08:41:36] <Izaya> as with everything Ubuntu

L417[08:42:52] <Vexatos> Inari, seek(-math.huge) op

L418[08:43:00] <Inari> exactly

L419[08:43:01] <Inari> :P

L420[08:43:34] <dangranos3> Izaya, i should try it somewhen..

L421[08:43:37] <vifino> lets play the game of "Will it work or not"

L422[08:43:39] <vifino> and it doesnt.

L423[08:43:42] <vifino> wee.

L424[08:44:00] <dangranos3> Vexatos, seek(-size())?

L425[08:46:21] <Vexatos> dangranos3, -math.huge is faster

L426[08:46:34] <Vexatos> Inari, guess how "tape rewind" works

L427[08:46:43] <Vexatos> as in, the program

L428[08:46:43] <Inari> Vexatos: hm?

L429[08:46:50] <Inari> what program :P

L430[08:46:56] <dangranos3> tape

L431[08:46:58] <Vexatos> https://github.com/asiekierka/Computronics/blob/master/src/main/resources/assets/computronics/lua/component/tape_drive/bin/tape.lua

L432[08:47:16] <Inari> :P

L433[08:47:23] <Inari> just its so OP comapred to uisng the UI :<

L434[08:47:31] <S3> .........................W...... T.......F!

L435[08:48:01] <S3> Spent all morning trying to fix this laptop that failed a Windows 10 install and wouldn't boot

L436[08:48:08] <S3> Guess what got it to boot?

L437[08:48:21] <vifino> a kick in the ass?

L438[08:48:23] <Inari> im confused

L439[08:48:30] <Inari> this model fails to load :<

L440[08:48:39] <scj643> Going to do a clean install of Ubuntu mate

L441[08:48:39] <S3> Disabling Data Execution Prevention.

L442[08:48:48] <vifino> hah

L443[08:48:59] <scj643> Wow

L444[08:50:02] <Inari> psh

L445[08:50:03] <dangranos3> lol

L446[08:50:05] <Inari> example model is broken :P

L447[08:52:11] <Inari> seems drones need a lot of space xD

L448[08:52:33] <Inari> uhm

L449[08:52:37] <Inari> my drone disappured

L450[08:52:37] <Izaya> right, got that case just about sorted

L451[08:52:44] <S3> Aggggghhhhhhhh

L452[08:52:52] <Izaya> scj643, why not like

L453[08:52:54] <Izaya> any other distro

L454[08:52:54] <Inari> what

L455[08:53:01] <S3> I'm going to start programming on my phone if I can't get a computer to use this weekend

L456[08:53:06] <S3> It's driving me nuts.

L457[08:53:21] <scj643> That coding addiction :D

L458[08:53:23] <S3> Problem is I can't work on ocbsd

L459[08:53:32] <scj643> That sucks

L460[08:53:44] <S3> Well I can't test it

L461[08:54:16] <Izaya> if I had a machine with a half-OK GPU I'd set you up with a VNC server

L462[08:54:17] <scj643> I can't use another distro because I'm locked into Ubuntu for Intel driver stack, and numix icons

L463[08:54:26] <Izaya> uuuhhh

L464[08:54:29] <Izaya> The intel driver

L465[08:54:31] <Izaya> is open-source

L466[08:54:35] <Izaya> and available on any distro

L467[08:54:41] ⇦ Quits: dangranos3 (~dangranos@31.173.240.242) (Quit: Leaving)

L468[08:54:41] <Izaya> what are you smoking?

L469[08:54:43] <scj643> Installer isn't

L470[08:54:44] <S3> Just use Slackware

L471[08:54:57] <S3> It's unmodified :)

L472[08:54:57] * vifino stabs S3

L473[08:55:11] <Inari> wellll

L474[08:55:11] <Izaya> What do you mean the installer isn't? Isn't what?

L475[08:55:14] <Inari> thats unusual lol

L476[08:55:52] <Inari> drone physics be borked :D

L477[08:56:25] <scj643> The installer only works on Ubuntu 15.04 or fedora something

L478[08:56:36] <Izaya> scj643, why the fuck are you using an installer?

L479[08:56:41] <Izaya> There's a thing called a package manager

L480[08:56:44] <Izaya> and it does all this for you

L481[08:56:49] <Izaya> and doesn't break installations

L482[08:57:30] ⇦ Quits: Doomlet (~c6h@cpc80353-grim18-2-0-cust241.12-3.cable.virginm.net) (Quit: Killed (Spam is off topic.))

L483[08:57:49] <scj643> Well it's a deb that adds and sets up the necessary repos

L484[08:58:01] <Izaya> ._.

L485[08:58:02] <scj643> Also X is really messed up

L486[08:58:27] <Izaya> "Since Intel provides and supports open source drivers, Intel graphics are now essentially plug-and-play. "

L487[08:58:32] <Izaya> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_graphics

L488[08:58:41] <scj643> Yes but tearing is an issue

L489[08:58:47] <Izaya> "Install the xf86-video-intel package. It provides the DDX driver for 2D acceleration and it pulls in mesa as a dependency, providing the DRI driver for 3D acceleration. "

L490[08:59:12] ⇨ Joins: {0xc6} (~c6h@cpc80353-grim18-2-0-cust241.12-3.cable.virginm.net)

L491[08:59:15] <vifino> scj643: Get. A. Fucking. Compositor.

L492[08:59:32] <scj643> Don't want a compositor takes cpu

L493[08:59:39] <Izaya> I thought GNOME 2 had a compositor?

L494[08:59:43] <Izaya> A compositor fixes tearing

L495[08:59:45] <Izaya> ._.

L496[08:59:53] <vifino> Then deal with the tearing, scj643.

L497[08:59:55] <scj643> It does at the cost of cpu

L498[08:59:57] <vifino> Not my problem.

L499[09:00:05] <Izaya> I have to wonder

L500[09:00:11] <Izaya> are you running on a Pentium Pro?

L501[09:00:23] <scj643> No pentium b970

L502[09:00:23] <Izaya> because seriously

L503[09:00:39] <Izaya> What shitty CPU can't cope with compositing?

L504[09:00:42] <Izaya> Like

L505[09:00:46] <Izaya> I have a Pentium 4

L506[09:00:54] <scj643> Laptops a lenovo b570

L507[09:00:56] <Izaya> and I use a compositor on there

L508[09:01:07] <scj643> It can handle it

L509[09:01:28] <scj643> Just don't want it because it takes resources that things like MC could be using

L510[09:01:36] <vifino> >_>

L511[09:01:49] <Izaya> http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/46/Intel_Pentium_4_3_GHz_%28RK80532PC080512%29_vs_Intel_Pentium_Dual-Core_Mobile_B970.html

L512[09:02:04] <Izaya> So you choose between tearing

L513[09:02:06] <Izaya> and a compositor?

L514[09:02:13] <Izaya> And you choose... neither?

L515[09:03:11] <vifino> This guy is worse than gentoo persons.

L516[09:03:29] <vifino> Even they just run a compositor.

L517[09:03:31] <vifino> :|

L518[09:03:35] <scj643> Mine is clocked at 2.2 ghz

L519[09:03:49] <vifino> scj643: My fucking raspberry pi can handle a compositor.

L520[09:03:52] <Izaya> Clock scaling.

L521[09:04:08] <Izaya> scj643, so if you're not tearing or using a compositor

L522[09:04:11] <scj643> Doesn't support going over 2.2

L523[09:04:13] <Izaya> are you running like

L524[09:04:18] <Izaya> in a framebuffer?

L525[09:04:20] <Izaya> well

L526[09:04:30] <Izaya> one of the really low-level ones with no 3D or 2D accel?

L527[09:04:49] <Inari> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18783800/Something%20%2802%29.mp4 explain :<

L528[09:05:41] <scj643> Wonders of MC entities

L529[09:06:45] ⇦ Quits: VikeStep (~VikeStep@101.184.94.18) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

L530[09:08:01] <scj643> Going to have to rebuild some software

L531[09:08:21] <scj643> Check-install is my favorite

L532[09:08:46] * Izaya is so confused

L533[09:09:19] <scj643> Check-install does make install as a package to keep track of the changes made

L534[09:09:25] <Izaya> no

L535[09:09:30] <Izaya> are you tearing

L536[09:09:35] <Vexatos> sooo uuuh

L537[09:09:39] <Izaya> are you using vsync in your games

L538[09:09:43] <Izaya> or are you using a compositor?

L539[09:10:15] <scj643> I'm right now upgrading Ubuntu mate using the USB media

L540[09:10:25] <Izaya> no but like

L541[09:10:28] <Izaya> which of the above?

L542[09:10:51] <S3> The installer for what scj?

L543[09:11:26] <scj643> I'm using vsync in my games

L544[09:11:42] <Izaya> so

L545[09:11:49] <Izaya> why can't you do that on any other distro?

L546[09:12:02] <Izaya> It's not like Intel builds specifically for Ubuntu

L547[09:12:09] <S3> They aren't

L548[09:12:13] <Izaya> only ValvE does that because they're fucktards living in 2012

L549[09:12:35] <S3> And Debian packages can be converted easily with alien

L550[09:12:56] <S3> Alien --to-tgz foobar.deb

L551[09:13:26] <scj643> Auto updates of ppas I use the numix icon and theme set all the time

L552[09:13:46] <Izaya> https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/any/numix-themes/

L553[09:13:58] <Vexatos> yay for ubuntu stuff working on Mint? :3

L554[09:14:18] <Izaya> https://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/xf86-video-intel/ oh hey bleeding edge updated Intel drivers.

L555[09:14:18] *** surferconor425 is now known as surferconor425|Away

L556[09:14:24] <scj643> Ok

L557[09:14:36] <vifino> lol, i'm running my pi using a one amp charger.

L558[09:14:41] <vifino> Surprisingly, it runs.

L559[09:14:43] <scj643> Java (not using openjdk some issues)

L560[09:14:50] <S3> https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/12038027_10153516222488819_657957820292371288_n.jpg?oh=f2b8675a5e80908173127f6a83d376a3&oe=569F7986

L561[09:14:51] <vifino> And doesnt explode when i max the cores.

L562[09:14:56] <Izaya> OpenJDK is completely fine

L563[09:15:00] <S3> Woops wrong picture

L564[09:15:02] <Izaya> It's the same code as Oracle

L565[09:15:06] <Izaya> minus the installer

L566[09:15:07] <S3> Id trying to pay an article

L567[09:15:21] <Izaya> and why the fuck am I arguing this with you anyway?

L568[09:15:27] <Izaya> If you want to remain in ignorance

L569[09:15:28] <Izaya> so be it

L570[09:15:35] <Izaya> I could probably use some sleep.

L571[09:15:47] <scj643> ok not arguing just wondering what I'll do for all the stuff I use in it

L572[09:16:02] <Izaya> I'll put it this way:

L573[09:16:09] <scj643> Also during install can I tell it to leave my home directory alone

L574[09:16:14] <Izaya> Ubuntu provides nothing other diestos can't

L575[09:16:21] <Izaya> And?

L576[09:16:33] <Izaya> During Arch install I can tell it to do whatever I like

L577[09:16:58] <scj643> What is arches package manager?

L578[09:17:03] <Izaya> pacman

L579[09:17:09] <Izaya> the best linux package manager

L580[09:17:42] <scj643> So used to apt

L581[09:17:56] <Izaya> apt is sorta okay

L582[09:18:00] <Izaya> but it has a tendancy to fuck you over

L583[09:18:07] <scj643> Yeah I noticed that

L584[09:18:16] <scj643> Might go with arch then

L585[09:18:25] <scj643> Not might will go with arch

L586[09:18:29] <Izaya> "Oh hey, running a 64-bit system but want the 32-bit libs? Great! I'll install a 32-bit kernel so suddenly you can't boot or use any programs or anything!"

L587[09:18:41] <Izaya> ~ dpkg

L588[09:18:45] <scj643> Lol

L589[09:19:42] <scj643> Going to get arch Linux right now

L590[09:19:52] <Lilly_Satou> arch is gr8

L591[09:20:06] <scj643> Also going to have to tell it to mount my windows partition as to

L592[09:20:10] <scj643> RO

L593[09:20:27] <scj643> Don't like it mounting it as R

L594[09:20:29] <scj643> RW

L595[09:21:06] <scj643> How hard is it to get steam on arch?

L596[09:21:06] <Izaya> ntfs-3g isn't that bad

L597[09:21:16] <Lilly_Satou> sudo pacman -S steam

L598[09:21:18] <Lilly_Satou> very hard

L599[09:21:31] <scj643> Lol

L600[09:21:32] <Lilly_Satou> jk it actually has an official package

L601[09:21:35] <Lilly_Satou> and it runs pretty good

L602[09:23:24] <scj643> Nice

L603[09:23:34] <Izaya> you have to compile steam from source /s

L604[09:23:37] <scj643> Does the install have a gui

L605[09:23:41] <Izaya> no

L606[09:23:49] <Izaya> it doesn't even have a menu

L607[09:24:02] <scj643> Ok how easy is it to fuck up a system that has windows on it

L608[09:24:30] <Ekoserin> scj643: Very

L609[09:24:37] <Izaya> That depends on the user.

L610[09:24:50] <Izaya> Nothing is done without the user telling the system to do it, after all

L611[09:24:52] <Lilly_Satou> just as easy as on any other distro :p

L612[09:25:08] <Lilly_Satou> actually harder because windows partition isnt automounted

L613[09:26:26] <Izaya> hrm

L614[09:26:39] <Izaya> Re-build the Pentium 4 or move the VIA C3?

L615[09:26:47] <scj643> Going to need to move my home partition

L616[09:27:15] <scj643> Home partition isn't separate from the other stuf

L617[09:29:54] <S3> I put my /home in /usr

L618[09:30:10] <scj643> Wow

L619[09:30:18] <S3> And make a symbolic link /home -> /usr

L620[09:30:24] <S3> Er

L621[09:30:54] <S3> Damn phone.

L622[09:31:11] <S3> OK. /home -> /usr/home

L623[09:31:15] <Izaya> ah, the old-style format?

L624[09:31:19] <Izaya> no, not quite

L625[09:31:45] <S3> FreeBSD does it. But it makes sense for workstations

L626[09:32:04] <S3> I do it because when I add more hard disk space

L627[09:32:11] <scj643> Only if they hade something like suse studio for other distress

L628[09:32:12] <S3> I expand /usr

L629[09:32:27] <S3> Which increases both installable software and home space

L630[09:33:01] <scj643> Nice

L631[09:33:20] <S3> From here on FreeBSD systems I can use login classes

L632[09:33:33] <S3> And add class based jails or user quotas

L633[09:35:12] <scj643> Going to need help once I get arch on a USB

L634[09:35:12] <S3> In most situations I will put /tmp in /usr too but if I have a LOT f ram I will just make tmp a ramdisk and auto empty it with crib

L635[09:35:15] <S3> Cron*

L636[09:35:30] <S3> A lot of team being like > 64 GB

L637[09:35:34] <S3> Ram*

L638[09:36:16] <scj643> I just use on partition for all of Linux since I don't upgrade my HDD and never know how much space I'll use

L639[09:36:38] <S3> Storing tmp in ram can speed up compiles using slackbuilds on Slackware

L640[09:36:57] <S3> You should use LVM

L641[09:37:08] <scj643> too late for that

L642[09:37:17] <scj643> Need windows on it too

L643[09:37:20] <S3> Heh

L644[09:37:40] <S3> I squeezed FreeBSD on a windows 8 machine

L645[09:37:47] <S3> That was fun!

L646[09:38:06] <S3> Because in order to dual boot FreeBSD most of the time you have to install FreeBSD manually

L647[09:38:27] <S3> That means you will be mounting the disks and extracting the pendant sets and making an fstab etc

L648[09:38:38] <S3> Package sets*

L649[09:39:05] <scj643> Wow

L650[09:39:18] <S3> It's not that bad really

L651[09:39:35] <scj643> Going to use DD to make an install USB

L652[09:39:37] <scj643> Q

L653[09:39:42] <S3> Heh

L654[09:39:54] <S3> Best way to do it

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L656[09:41:09] <S3> And tangent delta did that...

L657[09:41:15] <S3> Oh Hi tangent delta!

L658[09:41:40] <S3> I'm just trolling

L659[09:43:26] <scj643> Removing steam

L660[09:46:34] <Izaya> http://www.chiappa.net/~jnc/tech/jpg/ARPANet/G84Apr.jpg

L661[09:46:51] <S3> There is this comic on the newspaper.... It's making fun of health care monopolization. And one frame says: baby formula- a hungry baby is a profitable baby!

L662[09:46:59] <S3> ...

L663[09:47:53] <scj643> That is twisted

L664[09:48:07] <Izaya> That's painfully true.

L665[09:48:42] <S3> $799.99

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L667[09:50:11] <Inari> Izaya: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knkMV0rVTxs

L668[09:50:11] <MichiBot> Inari: Orihara Izaya - Renai Circulation Full Ver. w/lyrics | length 4m 13s | Likes: 499 Dislikes: 5 Views: 45806 | by Kaito Shion

L669[09:50:34] <Inari> i might have linked tha tbefore

L670[09:50:36] <Inari> cant recall :3

L671[09:50:37] <Izaya> Dare I put this through Google Translate?

L672[09:50:48] <S3> Yum

L673[09:50:48] <scj643> Any way to tell if DD is doing its job

L674[09:50:59] <S3> Presto and meat loaf

L675[09:51:02] <Izaya> is the light on the USB flashing?

L676[09:51:09] <S3> That was delicious

L677[09:51:13] <scj643> Yes

L678[09:51:22] <Izaya> then it's either reading or writing.

L679[09:51:27] <scj643> Forgot this USB had a light

L680[09:51:27] <Izaya> let it do it's thing

L681[09:51:33] <S3> Scj there is a DD variant that does progress

L682[09:51:42] <S3> But that makes it much slower

L683[09:51:51] <scj643> Oh it's down

L684[09:51:54] <scj643> Done

L685[09:51:58] <S3> Lol

L686[09:52:11] <S3> Huh

L687[09:52:25] <S3> There is also ddreacue and some other dd

L688[09:52:44] <S3> Dd rescue is used for recovering erased data

L689[09:53:02] <scj643> The name implies that

L690[09:53:34] <S3> Some people scj

L691[09:53:37] <S3> Some people

L692[09:53:46] <scj643> Yeah

L693[09:53:54] <scj643> Ok I'm at the install for arch

L694[09:54:14] <S3> Iv say hello world to new programmer and they do what?

L695[09:54:18] <S3> Go*

L696[09:54:19] <scj643> What do I pick https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/z6pqtlAW/1443365651.JPG

L697[09:54:52] <S3> Do you have efi?

L698[09:55:02] <scj643> I have efi

L699[09:55:11] <S3> I that shows not look like the normal arch screen

L700[09:55:21] <scj643> .....

L701[09:55:34] <S3> What is selected should be fine

L702[09:55:47] <S3> What should you possibly lose? :)

L703[09:55:54] <scj643> Got it from https://www.archlinux.org/download/

L704[09:55:58] <Inari> Izaya: what? the lyrics?

L705[09:56:05] <S3> Heh

L706[09:56:37] <S3> Master of puppets had good lyrics

L707[09:56:42] <S3> Has*

L708[09:56:53] <scj643> Ok now I'm at a root she'll

L709[09:56:59] <scj643> Shell

L710[09:57:01] <S3> Yeah so.

L711[09:57:13] <S3> Now you follow install instructions on wiki

L712[09:57:16] <S3> :)

L713[09:57:22] <scj643> Ok

L714[09:57:36] <S3> G they don't use the installer anymore

L715[09:57:50] <S3> But what they do use it systemfail

L716[09:57:58] <S3> Is*

L717[09:58:47] <scj643> ...

L718[10:00:28] <scj643> My HDD is gpt but I don't have uefi

L719[10:01:32] <scj643> I need help

L720[10:02:10] <scj643> What the heck tab completion is different

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L723[10:05:55] <Izaya> it's fancy zsh tab completion

L724[10:06:05] <scj643> Oh

L725[10:06:34] <Izaya> so anyway

L726[10:06:36] <Izaya> first

L727[10:06:43] <Izaya> make sure your partitions are how you want them

L728[10:06:56] <Izaya> you backed up your /home/ right?

L729[10:07:07] <scj643> Not yet still booting into it

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L731[10:07:58] <scj643> My HDD is gpt but my bios isn't uefi

L732[10:08:46] <scj643> Also if I lose stuff in my home partition nothing is lost just need to redownload stuff

L733[10:09:41] <mfernflower> hey

L734[10:09:41] <vifino> darn. ncmpcpp doesnt like the mpd fifo.

L735[10:09:55] <vifino> welp, no fancy music visualization for me.

L736[10:10:00] <scj643> Is their a sure way to tell if my bios is really using uefi

L737[10:10:11] <Izaya> Check the configuration?

L738[10:10:19] <vifino> efivars

L739[10:10:36] <mfernflower> You could run the mobo number pehaps?

L740[10:11:11] <scj643> efivar -l

L741[10:11:25] <scj643> Has a lot of output

L742[10:12:52] <vifino> then its (u)efi

L743[10:14:52] <scj643> My bios mentions nothing about uefi but it can boot a gpt HDD

L744[10:15:20] <scj643> And has options for booting using the gpt windows boot loader (no worries for messing /boot up)

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L748[10:30:06] <scj643> Looks like my system has efi not uefi

L749[10:30:30] <scj643> Windows has a c:\windows\Boot\efi folder

L750[10:30:50] <Izaya> that's still UEFI

L751[10:31:00] <Izaya> Windows doesn't differentiate except for the bootloader

L752[10:31:17] <Izaya> includes a signed bootloader so they can lock you out from booting anything other than winderps

L753[10:31:38] <scj643> Doesn't have that

L754[10:32:16] *** surferconor425|Away is now known as surferconor425

L755[10:48:54] <Lizzy> also gtp disks don't need UEFI to boot, just wandows wont boot from gpt disks in old-style boot

L756[10:49:41] * vifino noms on Lizzy

L757[10:49:45] <Lizzy> /me nyahs

L758[10:49:47] <Lizzy> derp

L759[10:49:51] * Lizzy nyahs

L760[10:50:08] <vifino> He does have to have (u)efi to have efivars.

L761[10:50:24] <scj643> Ok

L762[11:02:59] <Izaya> guys

L763[11:03:09] <gamax92> girls

L764[11:03:14] <Izaya> TECO is the ancestor of both emacs and vi

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L766[11:04:46] <Kodos> So while I was in bed, my wife updated her computer to Windows 10, with no OS discs, no backups, etc

L767[11:05:02] <gamax92> Are you proud?

L768[11:05:09] <Kodos> No, I'm ashamed

L769[11:05:10] <Kodos> But

L770[11:05:15] <gamax92> XD

L771[11:05:19] <Kodos> It's going to be more hilarious when it fails on her, and she has no way to backpedal

L772[11:05:27] <Kodos> Because despite all the warnings I gave her for the last month

L773[11:05:28] <Kodos> She still did it

L774[11:05:38] <gamax92> why is it going to fail?

L775[11:05:53] <Kodos> I've yet to see anyone have a positive experience with 10

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L778[11:06:42] <scj643> I have positive experiences

L779[11:06:46] <gamax92> Same

L780[11:07:06] <scj643> It allowed me to get rid of the damn mbr partitioning

L781[11:07:18] <gamax92> ... you could have done that with anything

L782[11:07:36] <scj643> Yeah but didn't know how

L783[11:24:03] <scj643> I need to confirm this

L784[11:24:57] <scj643> I need a sure way to make sure my system is uefi or efi

L785[11:25:05] <vifino> Dude.

L786[11:25:13] <vifino> It doesn't matter.

L787[11:25:52] <scj643> Really

L788[11:26:09] <scj643> Just don't want to majorly mess up my system

L789[11:26:57] <gamax92> scj643: no, it seriously doesn't matter

L790[11:27:04] <vifino> It. doesn't. fucking. matter.

L791[11:27:18] <gamax92> scj643: You can continue to worry over nothing, or just accept that it doesnt matter

L792[11:27:23] <scj643> Ok

L793[11:27:32] <vifino> Same with compositor.

L794[11:27:45] <vifino> OH MY GOD, 1% MORE CPU USAGE!!!11111

L795[11:28:06] <scj643> Well I'm ignorant and new

L796[11:28:39] <scj643> And setting up arch seems hard

L797[11:29:16] <vifino> It's as hard as you want it to be.

L798[11:29:19] <gamax92> if setting up vanilla arch is hard, there's a reason why several user friendly arch derivitives exist

L799[11:29:37] <vifino> And arch installers.

L800[11:30:22] <CompanionCube> Kodos: still there

L801[11:30:26] <Kodos> Yes

L802[11:30:33] <Mimiru> (Late to the party) I've loved windows 10.

L803[11:30:44] <Mimiru> As has my wife.

L804[11:30:55] <vifino> ohai Mimiru

L805[11:31:03] <CompanionCube> iirc Windows 10 can be reverted within 1 month of instsll

L806[11:31:13] <gamax92> TBH, Windows 10 has fixed a lot of the issues I had with Windows 8 and 8.1

L807[11:31:13] <Kodos> Good to know

L808[11:31:21] <Kodos> She upgraded from 7

L809[11:31:27] <Kodos> On a computer so old, its RAM is DDR2

L810[11:31:35] <gamax92> cool, my computer is also ddr2

L811[11:31:56] <scj643> Can someone send me a link to an easy to setup arch install

L812[11:31:59] <Mimiru> Windows 10 gives no shits. If windows 7 ran fine on it, theres a damn good chance 10 will to.

L813[11:32:37] <gamax92> scj643: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=easy+arch+installer

L814[11:33:43] <scj643> You don't have to be an ass about it :(

L815[11:34:05] <vifino> We do, because you don't listen :|

L816[11:34:20] <gamax92> ^

L817[11:34:23] <vifino> Like, Izaya tried to feed you all the information you need, but you just don't listen.

L818[11:42:36] <scj643> I'm going to stick with the mentality if it ain't broke don't fix it

L819[11:42:47] <vifino> :|

L820[11:43:05] <vifino> wasn't there like tearing?

L821[11:44:25] <scj643> Yeah but setting up arch while keeping windows and not messing up the boot loader doesn't seem like an easy task

L822[11:48:24] <scj643> I will try arch when I have a system that I can afford to mess up and do a clean install

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L825[11:58:34] <Altenius> Why are config files always in /etc? Wouldn

L826[11:58:41] <Altenius> Wouldn't it make more sense to have a /cfg

L827[11:58:50] <Altenius> Fucking enter key >_>

L828[11:59:24] <scj643> I know how you fell

L829[11:59:30] <scj643> *feel

L830[12:00:01] <Altenius> Also, who's idea was it to put non-library files in /lib. Linux is so messy smh.

L831[12:00:26] <scj643> arch can be scary for a new user

L832[12:01:44] <CompanionCube> Altenius, Windows is worse

L833[12:01:45] <Altenius> eh, I've tried to switch from Arch but I can't stand not having pacman and the AUR.

L834[12:02:15] <CompanionCube> pacapt is a thing, and PPAs are *sort-of* like the AUR.

L835[12:03:38] <scj643> The packages of arch is why I want to switch but getting it on my system without screwing it up is the hard part

L836[12:05:34] <Altenius> scj643, which part it hard?

L837[12:05:57] <scj643> My system is weird

L838[12:06:08] <scj643> It's using gpt but the bios is efi

L839[12:06:20] <Antheus> I r8 8\8 no h8 m8

L840[12:06:29] <scj643> Windows says uefi

L841[12:06:55] <Antheus> I say TGIF

L842[12:06:59] <scj643> Lol

L843[12:07:06] <vifino> scj643: ...

L844[12:07:13] <vifino> Read up on uefi, efi and gpt.

L845[12:07:30] <gamax92> vifino: give up on him

L846[12:08:00] <vifino> I don't like giving up on people ._.

L847[12:08:20] <scj643> I'm just going to stick with Ubuntu until I can afford to repartition

L848[12:09:45] <Altenius> scj643, ... So you have ubuntu working? It shouldn't be difficult then.

L849[12:12:18] <scj643> Just learned about manjaro no one could have mentioned that

L850[12:12:36] <vifino> ...

L851[12:12:44] <vifino> gamax92: that's it, I'm giving up on him

L852[12:12:48] <vifino> I'm done.

L853[12:12:54] <gamax92> no no, he just did a good thing

L854[12:13:06] <scj643> ?

L855[12:13:07] <gamax92> actually looking around by himself instead of wanting you to hold his hand

L856[12:13:17] <Altenius> Have you read the beginner's guide?

L857[12:13:45] <vifino> Fine, I'm not giving up on him yet.

L858[12:13:54] <scj643> Yes I get that thing I don't get is how I'm supposed to get the boot loader working since one thing says uefi and such

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L860[12:15:45] <scj643> So manjaro should give me all the benifits of arch without the hassle of a console setup

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L862[12:16:51] <Izaya> not really

L863[12:16:52] <Altenius> Does that use the Evo/Lution installer?

L864[12:17:02] <Izaya> you have the manjaro default packages

L865[12:17:06] <Izaya> and its weird repos

L866[12:17:12] <scj643> .... Weird?

L867[12:17:21] <scj643> Like what type of weird

L868[12:17:30] <Izaya> mmm, for it's meh patches and pacman front-end

L869[12:17:40] <vifino> Altenius: Evo/Lution was great, sadly its now a project called architect, which sucks balls

L870[12:17:46] <Izaya> I'd go for archbang if you want a 'GUI' installation

L871[12:18:32] <scj643> Isn't archbang dead?

L872[12:19:12] <scj643> Nope that was something else

L873[12:20:18] <scj643> This is what I need

L874[12:20:21] <Izaya> manjaro is an ancient african word for "I can't install Arch"

L875[12:20:26] <scj643> Lol

L876[12:20:58] <scj643> Also archbang doesn't have the weirdness of manjaro

L877[12:21:44] <Izaya> archbang gets you an arch system running quickly

L878[12:21:49] <Izaya> manjaro is it's own distro

L879[12:22:00] <scj643> Oh ok

L880[12:22:14] <Izaya> like archbang is sorta it's own distro too

L881[12:22:18] <Izaya> but it's a lot closer to arch

L882[12:22:32] <scj643> Does archbang add its own repos

L883[12:22:44] <Izaya> I can't remember.

L884[12:25:36] <scj643> Manjaro does use the regular arch repos

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L887[12:28:11] <Izaya> It has its own weird addons to it though

L888[12:28:16] <Izaya> or at least last time I used it

L889[12:28:55] <scj643> When was that

L890[12:29:05] <Izaya> I dunno

L891[12:29:08] <Izaya> some time this year

L892[12:29:36] <CompanionCube> Manjaro's update-system script really sucks

L893[12:30:20] <scj643> Ok

L894[12:30:24] <CompanionCube> also, barring very few exceptions, UEFI and EFI are equivalent.

L895[12:30:36] <scj643> Ok that clears that up

L896[12:32:44] <Izaya> CompanionCube, did you hear my description of NixOS?

L897[12:32:51] <CompanionCube> no

L898[12:33:10] <Izaya> It's like Ubuntu Snappy Core, except without all the suck and a bunch of cool features.

L899[12:33:21] <Izaya> and with a bunch*

L900[12:33:28] <CompanionCube> yeah, it has some sweet features

L901[12:33:55] <Izaya> It has userspace package management :D

L902[12:34:34] <CompanionCube> iirc writing your own packages for it is a bit messy though

L903[12:35:30] <CompanionCube> would you prefer pacman over Nix?

L904[12:35:58] <Izaya> pacman is the king of transactional

L905[12:36:13] <CompanionCube> meaning?

L906[12:36:17] <Izaya> But Nix is better as a declarational package manager

L907[12:36:23] <Dashkal> nix transcends transactional

L908[12:36:36] <Dashkal> Or would if the damn thing didn't have so many bugs

L909[12:36:56] <Dashkal> I switched back to arch for code quality reasons

L910[12:37:24] <CompanionCube> inb4 someone makes a combination of libalpm and Nix

L911[12:38:26] <CompanionCube> is such a thing possibl

L912[12:39:08] <Izaya> know what would kick ass?

L913[12:39:14] <Izaya> pacman + nix

L914[12:39:40] <CompanionCube> Izaya, libalpm is pacman's backend

L915[12:39:53] <Izaya> TIL

L916[12:40:16] <CompanionCube> pacman just uses the library as a client

L917[12:40:46] <CompanionCube> An interesting system might use pacman for global packages, and Nix for per-user packages

L918[12:41:30] <Altenius> Okay... firefox went to "nixos.net" when I typed nixos in the url/search bar.

L919[12:41:38] <Altenius> Don't go there .-.

L920[12:41:42] <Izaya> .org

L921[12:42:10] <Altenius> firefox went to nixos.net though

L922[12:42:46] <Altenius> But the title of the page is nixos.com

L923[12:42:54] <vifino> firefox decides to always go to reddit.com.com

L924[12:42:56] <vifino> i have no idea why.

L925[12:43:39] <Altenius> I think it's a gay porn site, but it's in spanish so idk.

L926[12:44:05] <vifino> that i do not need to know.

L927[12:46:23] <scj643> I'll setup arch when I have a system or VM I can mess with

L928[12:47:16] <Altenius> Someone needs to make a OS for opencomputers that doesn't model linux...

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L930[12:47:40] <Altenius> And with a nice organization scheme, like /cfg for config files :/

L931[12:47:48] <Izaya> Altenius: Skye did a non-unix

L932[12:47:55] <Izaya> It was okay

L933[12:47:59] <vifino> Izaya did non unixy.

L934[12:48:05] <vifino> I think.

L935[12:48:14] <vifino> Forgot its name doe.

L936[12:48:54] <Altenius> Imma make one actually.

L937[12:49:14] <Altenius> How are symlinks handled by OpenOS?

L938[12:49:21] <Skye> temporary

L939[12:49:28] <Altenius> ah

L940[12:49:40] <Altenius> I'll make... /cfg/symlinks :D

L941[12:50:11] <vifino> sounds like nanobsd version of pfsense.

L942[12:50:16] <vifino> it has /cfg.

L943[12:51:05] <vifino> dont ask me why i know that.

L944[12:51:05] <vifino> I don't even know.

L945[12:51:14] <Altenius> I like those devs.

L946[12:52:56] <Temia> UNIX-based OSes are so easy because there's such a clear design pattern >.>

L947[12:53:36] <Dashkal> CompanionCube: Just use nix on arch. I did that for a time too until some strange locale issue put an end to that experiment

L948[12:53:55] <Dashkal> Note, to get that working for multiuser requires some google. The nix docs are wrong, but there's a blog post out there that documents how to do it.

L949[12:54:31] <CompanionCube> meh

L950[12:54:41] <CompanionCube> was just a hypothetical. I've never used nix myself

L951[12:54:52] <Dashkal> It was an interesting experience.

L952[12:54:58] <vifino> I used to use linuxbrew on arch and ubuntu.

L953[12:55:11] <Dashkal> I don't regret the attempt. I just can't tolerate instability in my work environment, and that's where I run *nix

L954[12:55:19] <vifino> But then I took a pacman to the knee.

L955[12:55:24] <Dashkal> I'm amused that Arch is more stable than nix.

L956[12:55:29] <Temia> Nix is a really poor name

L957[12:55:30] <Temia> :<

L958[12:55:34] <Dashkal> No argument there

L959[12:55:38] * vifino pets Temia

L960[12:55:50] <vifino> How are you doing, moo?

L961[12:55:50] <scj643> Screw this clean install Ubuntu

L962[12:55:59] <Temia> eh.

L963[12:56:02] <Dashkal> ! Oh crud, I forgot to install OpenSecurity last update...

L964[12:56:04] <Temia> feeling kind of meh.

L965[12:56:08] <Dashkal> And I'm probably not updating that server again

L966[12:56:10] * Dashkal cries

L967[12:56:14] <vifino> awww :(

L968[12:56:26] <Dashkal> The thing is at it's utter limit. I get out of memory failures now

L969[12:56:29] <Izaya> Ubuntu is an ancient african word for "I can't configure Debian"

L970[12:56:33] <Mimiru> .. :(

L971[12:56:45] <Dashkal> So I could try next week, but it may not go well.

L972[12:56:45] <scj643> Running the live install removing all parts of the partition besides my home folder

L973[12:56:47] <Dashkal> Gah

L974[12:56:54] <CompanionCube> scj643, in theory

L975[12:56:59] <CompanionCube> you can install Arch from Ubuntu

L976[12:57:05] <CompanionCube> or any other linux distro

L977[12:57:06] <vifino> Izaya: Not really. It's more like the hipster word for "Not as outdated as Debian".

L978[12:57:23] <scj643> Lol

L979[12:57:26] <Izaya> vifino: but the old joke D:

L980[12:57:31] <CompanionCube> there's even a wiki page on it

L981[12:57:33] <vifino> Izaya: Shhh.

L982[12:57:37] <vifino> It's okay.

L983[12:57:43] <Izaya> I guess that applies to mint now though

L984[12:57:50] <vifino> yeah, i guess

L985[12:57:50] <Izaya> I don't mind Mint

L986[12:57:54] <CompanionCube> also, one might say Mac OSX is an ancient hipster word for 'I have money to burn on a MacBook'

L987[12:58:13] <Dashkal> You know, that's becoming less true.

L988[12:58:14] <Izaya> Okay, Ubuntu is Hipter-updated-debian

L989[12:58:19] <Dashkal> Mac is compariable for the power these days.

L990[12:58:21] <vifino> ^

L991[12:58:36] * Temia curls up on Vifino

L992[12:58:40] <Izaya> CompanionCube: money to burn on a somewhat outdated unix

L993[12:58:46] * vifino pets Temia

L994[12:58:58] <CompanionCube> Izaya, and a UNIX with messy layout and history at that

L995[12:59:01] <Dashkal> Much of my office converted to mac when given the opportunity, and I have to admit they didn't lose any productivity

L996[12:59:05] <Izaya> I call it OS 1910 for a reason

L997[12:59:16] <Dashkal> But I stubbornly stuck with the brick (lenovo workforce) and linux

L998[12:59:33] <CompanionCube> ha, lenovo. I wonder how much trust they've lost

L999[12:59:41] <Dashkal> Heh, no kidding

L1000[12:59:59] <vifino> CompanionCube: What trust? :P

L1001[13:00:21] <Izaya> The fancy retro thinkpad better be clean :/

L1002[13:00:21] <vifino> gcc: error: unrecognized command line option '-minline-all-stringops'

L1003[13:00:23] <vifino> .-.

L1004[13:00:24] <CompanionCube> vifino, the trust of not having an unmolested OS / BIOS

L1005[13:00:27] <Dashkal> never said I'd buy one of those for myself :P

L1006[13:00:30] <vifino> CompanionCube: orly

L1007[13:00:36] <vifino> I never heard of that \s

L1008[13:00:52] <Dashkal> I'm eyeing the msi line for myself, though I'll probably just stick to towers

L1009[13:01:09] <Temia> Darwin BSD isn't THAT bad .-. Though I admit it probably lost a lot of its impetus for movement when they closed the OpenDarwin project

L1010[13:05:54] <Temia> Also it has a platypus for a mascot. how can you go wrong with that.

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L1012[13:11:17] <fabio> has the oc owner pinged in for the day?

L1013[13:12:19] <Izaya> pinged in is an interesting way to put it

L1014[13:12:50] <Lizzy> %lastseen

L1015[13:12:51] <scj643> Just nuked my Ubuntu partition

L1016[13:12:52] <Lizzy> aww

L1017[13:15:08] <Aedda> scj643: mistake, on purpose, different distro time?

L1018[13:15:25] <Izaya> s/different/better

L1019[13:15:25] <Kibibyte> <Aedda> scj643: mistake, on purpose, better distro time?

L1020[13:15:46] <Aedda> shots fired

L1021[13:16:20] <Aedda> but then again as a user of ubuntu I am planning to get away from it as well so

L1022[13:17:06] <scj643> Nuked it on purpose

L1023[13:17:18] <scj643> Nuked everything but the /home directory

L1024[13:18:49] <scj643> As long as it doesn't touch my windows partition I'm fine

L1025[13:19:06] <Izaya> >paranoid about ntfs-3g

L1026[13:19:17] <scj643> Hel

L1027[13:19:18] <Izaya> >not paranoid about Ubuntu or Windows spying on him

L1028[13:19:29] <Mimiru> Lizzy, %seen isn't enabled because it's a biiiit broken

L1029[13:19:39] <Lizzy> ah

L1030[13:19:41] <scj643> Also ntfsresize is slow as hell

L1031[13:19:47] <Aedda> I typically worry about windows touching my everything

L1032[13:19:59] <scj643> You always install windows first

L1033[13:20:12] <scj643> Well it kept my home directory that's good

L1034[13:20:16] <Izaya> I typically have Windows on a separate drive

L1035[13:20:29] <Izaya> so even if it decides to nuke itself

L1036[13:20:33] <Izaya> it can go get fucked

L1037[13:20:41] <Izaya> the other drives should be fine

L1038[13:20:59] <scj643> Lol on a laptop so that isn't an option

L1039[13:21:17] <Izaya> yeah I'm gonna install Windows on my laptop at some point in the next week

L1040[13:21:23] <Izaya> sort of a pain

L1041[13:21:33] <Izaya> but if I'm re-installing Linux I may as well

L1042[13:21:34] <scj643> Not sort of it is a pain

L1043[13:21:54] <scj643> It's also a lot slower than installing mostly any Linux distro

L1044[13:21:59] <Izaya> going debian sid -> either arch or nix

L1045[13:22:07] <Izaya> still faster than Ubuntu with Unity :D

L1046[13:22:34] <scj643> I liked unity's hit alt and search through menus but that's it

L1047[13:22:39] <Izaya> honestly a lot of ubuntu isn't too bad

L1048[13:22:44] <Izaya> but I hate Unity

L1049[13:22:51] <Izaya> and snappy was poorly implimented

L1050[13:22:53] <scj643> Yeah unity mostly sucks

L1051[13:23:10] <scj643> Wish I could get that alt search thing in mate

L1052[13:23:30] <Vexatos> Linux mint masterrace?

L1053[13:23:35] * Vexatos hides

L1054[13:23:47] <Izaya> Vexatos, as far as linux goes

L1055[13:24:08] <Izaya> I think gentoo is the 'masterrace' as they tend to think of themselves as total wizards

L1056[13:24:12] <Izaya> and they could be right

L1057[13:24:15] <Izaya> but

L1058[13:24:21] <Izaya> yeah I'm going to bed

L1059[13:24:22] <scj643> What about suse

L1060[13:24:37] <scj643> And suse studio

L1061[13:24:49] <Izaya> Haven't tried SuSE - can't be worse than Ubuntu though

L1062[13:25:06] <Vexatos> Mint Cinnamon <3

L1063[13:25:33] <gamax92> Linux Butter - Toast

L1064[13:26:02] <fabio> linux + btrfs = toasted?

L1065[13:26:13] <scj643> Suse has suse studio which is pretty neat

L1066[13:26:18] <Izaya> but

L1067[13:26:20] <Izaya> what does it do?

L1068[13:26:28] <scj643> Let's you make your on custom distro on the web

L1069[13:27:11] <scj643> With custom configs, packages and even more

L1070[13:27:24] <Izaya> oh

L1071[13:27:46] <Izaya> I'm probably going to make a way to autodeploy a nixos system as an appliance-type thing

L1072[13:27:56] <Izaya> have a set of configs and an unattended install procedure

L1073[13:28:19] <scj643> Suse studio also lets you package it as a live cd too

L1074[13:29:09] <Izaya> it's cool that it's so convenient I guess

L1075[13:29:10] <fabio> well - hopefully Sangar stops by later

L1076[13:29:25] <scj643> He is set as /away

L1077[13:29:53] <fabio> does $name not ping when user is /away?

L1078[13:30:24] <scj643> It worked

L1079[13:30:30] <scj643> The reinstall worked

L1080[13:32:07] <scj643> Kept all my user files and preferences

L1081[13:32:12] <scj643> Only broke my theme

L1082[13:32:22] <Kodos> Just finished Mad Max

L1083[13:32:32] <Kodos> Err

L1084[13:32:36] <Kodos> I should say, Fury Road, the movie

L1085[13:33:38] <vifino> halp how to fix make: *** [man/compton.1.html] Illegal instruction (core dumped)

L1086[13:33:46] <vifino> i need the comptons, all of them comptons .-.

L1087[13:37:02] <scj643> Oh wait this whole time I did have compositing for Marco but it was tearing

L1088[13:38:15] <Temia> Wait what?

L1089[13:38:31] <Temia> It's core dumping when trying to build the manpage?

L1090[13:40:26] <vifino> Yep .-.

L1091[13:42:56] <gamax92> "guys i think i have a virus their is this folder with alot of crazy latters and numbers help!!!!!!!!!!"

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L1095[13:44:49] <scj643> Running apt-get update and apt-get upgrade on 3 systems :)

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L1097[13:45:03] <Izaya> hope you're using a caching proxy then

L1098[13:45:54] <scj643> Three systems in different locations

L1099[13:46:14] <scj643> One is my laptop the rest are VPS

L1100[13:51:11] <Kodos> That reminds me, I still need to update 40 packages on my netbook

L1101[13:54:56] <scj643> Still need to edit the mount options for my disks to prevent Ubuntu from mounting windows as RW

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L1106[14:16:34] <scj643> I love checkinstall

L1107[14:22:35] <gamax92> Heh, there are programs to replace ClearType with FreeType

L1108[14:23:50] <scj643> Lol

L1109[14:25:24] <scj643> Somehow Ubuntu knows what my iPads charge is at

L1110[14:27:08] <nxsupert> Kon'nichiwa!

L1111[14:33:44] <scj643> The Ubuntu PPAs for xca are outdated like always

L1112[14:33:58] <gamax92> what's that

L1113[14:35:21] <scj643> xca is a certificate management gui for SSL cents

L1114[14:35:25] <scj643> Certs

L1115[14:42:36] <vifino> http://stary2001.co.uk/screenshot/2015-09-27-203957_206x102_scrot.png

L1116[14:45:05] <scj643> Steam is a pain it requires 32bit limbs

L1117[14:45:07] <scj643> Libs

L1118[14:45:37] <scj643> I don't like 32 bit on my 64 bit system

L1119[14:45:39] <gamax92> 32bit limbs X3

L1120[14:45:51] <gamax92> Too bad

L1121[14:46:08] <scj643> What's worse is that it's graphics libs too

L1122[14:46:41] <gamax92> ofc it would also use 32bit graphics libs, it's a 32bit process

L1123[14:46:59] <scj643> What the hell were they thinking

L1124[14:47:17] <scj643> No one in their right mind games on 32 bit

L1125[14:47:38] <gamax92> Don't make absolute statements without no research

L1126[14:47:46] <Lizzy> s/no/any

L1127[14:47:47] <Kibibyte> <gamax92> Don't make absolute statements without any research

L1128[14:47:51] <scj643> Well most people

L1129[14:48:05] <scj643> Anything semi modern is 64 bit

L1130[14:48:12] <Temia> Statistically, 32-bit software developent is on a significant downturn

L1131[14:48:21] <scj643> Yes

L1132[14:48:39] <vifino> scj643: most games are 32 bit.

L1133[14:48:41] <vifino> deal with it.

L1134[14:48:52] <scj643> Even ones on Linux that sucks

L1135[14:48:56] <Temia> With WinXP long since past EOL, 64-bit is the norm for most modern titles.

L1136[14:49:20] <scj643> Still hate steam for not making it 64 bit

L1137[14:49:42] <gamax92> Steam isn't even a game, why does it matter

L1138[14:49:44] <Temia> Yeah, Steam's weir

L1139[14:49:46] <Temia> Weird even

L1140[14:50:31] * CompanionCube likes cfssl

L1141[14:50:37] <gamax92> you don't need massive amounts of memory or the extra 64bit registers to draw a list of games

L1142[14:51:06] <CompanionCube> 64bit has the advantage of not keeping useless duplicate libraries.

L1143[14:51:17] * Temia nods.

L1144[14:51:24] <vifino> CompanionCube: the libraries are packaged anyways

L1145[14:51:25] <Temia> At the very least, 64-bit Steam would be nice for Linux.

L1146[14:51:29] <vifino> for compatibility.

L1147[14:51:38] <CompanionCube> vifino, they're still useless duplicates.

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L1149[14:52:13] <vifino> CompanionCube: For you, yes.

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L1151[14:52:15] <gamax92> MichiBot?

L1152[14:52:21] <vifino> For people who develop games, no.

L1153[14:53:01] <Mimiru> %seen Mimiru

L1154[14:53:02] <MichiBot> Mimiru: Mimiru was last seen 0s ago.

L1155[14:53:17] <Mimiru> k.. starting now MichiBot tracks users last seen time :p

L1156[14:53:47] <Mimiru> %seen gamax92

L1157[14:53:48] <MichiBot> Mimiru: gamax92 was last seen 1m 22s ago.

L1158[14:55:51] <XDjackieXD> nice ^^

L1159[14:56:14] <gamax92> %seen XDjackieXD

L1160[14:56:15] <MichiBot> gamax92: XDjackieXD was last seen 23s ago.

L1161[14:57:28] <Mimiru> %seen Sangar

L1162[14:57:28] <MichiBot> Mimiru: Sangar has not been seen.

L1163[14:57:30] <Mimiru> :P

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L1165[15:01:11] <gamax92> No he's still dead

L1166[15:02:22] <Mimiru> ^

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L1171[15:06:23] <Mimiru> Moving lots of stuff over to sqlite

L1172[15:06:32] <Mimiru> and seen's sqlite stuff was broken

L1173[15:06:46] <vifino> yay?

L1174[15:07:56] <vifino> Apart from that, I just now found out that Comic Chat works in wine.

L1175[15:08:16] <vifino> It's a "little" fucked up, but it works.

L1176[15:12:15] <scj643> Just got steam installed

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L1178[15:13:01] <scj643> Now getting borderlands

L1179[15:13:04] <scj643> 2

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L1181[15:16:15] <scj643> Got my root ca installed

L1182[15:17:26] <vifino> scj643: This isn't twitter or facebook, you don't have to write what you are doing.

L1183[15:17:43] * Mimiru converts OC to Twitter

L1184[15:18:00] <scj643> Lol

L1185[15:18:27] <scj643> Learned that fluxbox is just too much for me

L1186[15:19:18] <gamax92> vifino: shush you

L1187[15:19:38] <gamax92> You know damn well that we do that way too much ourselves

L1188[15:19:56] <vifino> gamax92: shh

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L1190[15:20:24] <vifino> gamax92: also, did you ever run comic chat in wine? :P

L1191[15:20:37] <vifino> it is breaking so horribly, so wonderful.

L1192[15:21:14] <gamax92> I don't know what comic chat is

L1193[15:21:41] <vifino> gamax92: irc based comic strips, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Comic_Chat

L1194[15:22:02] <scj643> Lol

L1195[15:22:11] <gamax92> ...

L1196[15:22:14] <gamax92> what

L1197[15:22:16] <gamax92> the

L1198[15:22:17] <gamax92> fuck

L1199[15:22:20] <Mimiru> lmao yeaaah.

L1200[15:22:25] <Mimiru> I remember those days

L1201[15:22:51] <Altenius> And Comic Chat works in wine??

L1202[15:22:57] <vifino> Altenius: Almost.

L1203[15:23:10] <vifino> It runs, but the comic strips text is black and it has black borders.

L1204[15:23:18] <vifino> Also you can't type space.

L1205[15:23:26] <vifino> it gets mangled somehow.

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L1207[15:26:38] <scj643> Starting my forge server

L1208[15:27:24] <gamax92> isn't there a gas that makes your voice lower?

L1209[15:27:53] <Mimiru> Yeah Sulfur Hexafluoride iirc

L1210[15:28:42] <Mimiru> %yt Sulfur Hexafluoride voice

L1211[15:28:42] <MichiBot> Mimiru: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u19QfJWI1oQ - Sulfur Hexafluoride - Deep Voice Gas - YouTube: "Jan 17, 2011 ... Steve and the 9News team try breathing a little Sulfur Hexafluoride to see how it

L1212[15:28:46] <gamax92> What happens if you mixed both that and Helium

L1213[15:29:23] <Mimiru> You'd explode.

L1214[15:29:25] <Mimiru> idfk

L1215[15:31:46] * Lizzy sighs

L1216[15:32:09] * vifino pets Lizzy

L1217[15:32:24] * Lizzy slow purrs

L1218[15:33:22] <Mimiru> %seen Lizzy

L1219[15:33:23] <MichiBot> Mimiru: Lizzy has not been seen.

L1220[15:33:25] <Mimiru> o_O

L1221[15:33:30] <Mimiru> Ah..

L1222[15:33:52] <Mimiru> it doesn't track actions

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L1227[15:37:09] <Mimiru> Now it does.

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L1229[15:42:23] <gamax92> you gotta get back into the groove of things.

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L1231[15:47:54] <MajGenRelativity> I haz sundial

L1232[15:48:11] <MajGenRelativity> 50 times the speed of regular day :D

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L1235[15:55:09] <scj643> Anyone want to get on my server need people to test perms

L1236[16:02:42] * MajGenRelativity groans

L1237[16:02:54] <MajGenRelativity> a piece of tall grass prevented my force field from being completely sealed

L1238[16:03:56] <Lizzy> lol

L1239[16:12:34] <Mimiru> So, in a few minutes we find out if my next round of changes has worked...

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L1242[16:12:56] <Mimiru> O_O

L1243[16:13:16] <Mimiru> Sangar come back, you can blame it all on..... Well someone else.

L1244[16:14:15] <Kodos> Took me a second to get that

L1245[16:14:28] <Lizzy> EnderBot2, blame Mimiru

L1246[16:14:29] * EnderBot2 blames Mimiru

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L1248[16:14:30] zsh sets mode: +o on Sangar

L1249[16:14:34] <Mimiru> yay MichiBot null pointers on startup!

L1250[16:14:40] <Lizzy> lol

L1251[16:15:17] <Mimiru> right trying to load ops from database

L1252[16:15:38] <gamax92> dat Excess Flood

L1253[16:16:17] <Mimiru> how is this null o_O

L1254[16:16:30] * Lizzy nulls Mimiru's null

L1255[16:16:42] * Lizzy nulls her keyboard cause it's a pile of shit

L1256[16:16:47] <Lizzy> well

L1257[16:16:50] <Lizzy> my dad's keyboard

L1258[16:17:02] <Mimiru> Oh

L1259[16:17:04] <Mimiru> der

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L1261[16:17:13] <Mimiru> cause I try to load ops before I open the db

L1262[16:17:16] <Mimiru> \o/

L1263[16:17:19] <gamax92> MimiruFactory

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L1265[16:19:04] <Mimiru> I hope I've sped up MichiBot's join stuff... it no longer mass who's the entire channel on join

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L1267[16:19:59] <Mimiru> %test

L1268[16:20:21] <MichiBot> Mimiru: Success

L1269[16:20:26] <Mimiru> Hmm, it's still rather spammy on connect ¬_¬

L1270[16:20:26] <EnderBot2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE

L1271[16:20:30] <Mimiru> More cleanup it seems

L1272[16:21:03] <Mimiru> %listadmins

L1273[16:21:04] <MichiBot> Mimiru: DEPERECATED! Current admins: {Michiyo=9}

L1274[16:21:15] <Mimiru> Well... theres that

L1275[16:21:42] <Lizzy> Mimiru, does MichiBot store userdata in a per-channel fashion or per-server (i.e. a single user db and the channels get added as objects of the user)?

L1276[16:22:05] <Mimiru> hmmm..

L1277[16:22:05] <Mimiru> listadmins

L1278[16:22:16] <Mimiru> ¬_¬ Right forgot to include the prefix check

L1279[16:22:59] <Mimiru> Well, there is no per server as I've not bothered setting up multiserver connections with a single instance

L1280[16:23:02] <Mimiru> everything is global

L1281[16:23:07] <Lizzy> ah, k

L1282[16:23:27] <Mimiru> Some stuff is attached to users

L1283[16:25:56] <Lizzy> in the next generation of EnderBot2 (which i keep getting side-tracked on developing) I store the user db (a Python Dict) as a local variable to the bot class, the key is the user's nick and it contains: their ident, host, shared channels, account (* if not logged in) and last message(+time)

L1284[16:26:07] <Lizzy> i think that's all of it

L1285[16:26:13] <Lizzy> oh shit

L1286[16:26:19] <Lizzy> i need to go

L1287[16:26:21] * Lizzy yawns, stretches then falls asleep on vifino's lap

L1288[16:26:36] * vifino pets Lizzy and smooches her

L1289[16:26:53] <vifino> Good night, angel :)

L1290[16:27:04] <Mimiru> Later Lizzy. And yeah right now that stuff is stored in a HashMap using the users nick

L1291[16:27:26] <Mimiru> %usercount

L1292[16:27:27] <MichiBot> Mimiru: Current hashmap size is: 162

L1293[16:27:34] * Mimiru sighs

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L1295[16:27:45] <Mimiru> that should be added on message

L1296[16:27:55] <Mimiru> I need to find the other instance of mass who

L1297[16:29:02] <Lizzy> Mimiru, i think on PCL/DN, i can give it a blank oper account then it can store the user's UID (the 00ALAH number) then have the nick as a object in it, can't do that here sadly

L1298[16:29:08] <Lizzy> anyway

L1299[16:29:09] <Lizzy> ciao

L1300[16:29:16] <gamax92> oh,

L1301[16:30:01] <vifino> #>> @passivedata["users"].length

L1302[16:30:01] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > 300

L1303[16:30:11] <vifino> \o/ it still works

L1304[16:30:17] <gamax92> the vifino is a spy!

L1305[16:30:21] <vifino> :O

L1306[16:30:25] <vifino> Murder him!

L1307[16:30:29] <vifino> Wait, darn.

L1308[16:30:30] <gamax92> nuuuu

L1309[16:31:17] <vifino> But yeah, |0xDEADBEEF| keeps track of users to identify them and give them their permissions.

L1310[16:32:17] <vifino> #>> @passivedata["users"]["vifino"]["acc"]

L1311[16:32:17] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > "vifino"

L1312[16:32:23] <vifino> #>> @passivedata["users"]["v"]["acc"]

L1313[16:32:23] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > nil

L1314[16:32:30] <vifino> hasnt tracked that yet, huh

L1315[16:32:31] <gamax92> #lua nick

L1316[16:32:31] <|0xDEADBEEF|> > gamax92

L1317[16:32:36] <gamax92> DUN DUN DUNNNNN

L1318[16:32:44] <Mimiru> gamax92, was gamax92 all along!

L1319[16:32:51] <gamax92> :O!

L1320[16:32:58] <vifino> /usr/include/c++/5.2.0/type_traits:2168:67: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault

L1321[16:33:00] <vifino> ._.

L1322[16:33:09] <gamax92> err

L1323[16:33:11] <XDjackieXD> #>> @passivedata["users"]["XDjackieXD"]["acc"]

L1324[16:33:13] <vifino> gotta love having a compiler that segfaults.

L1325[16:33:17] <XDjackieXD> :C

L1326[16:33:23] <vifino> XDjackieXD: no permissions 4 u

L1327[16:33:23] <XDjackieXD> no chat commands :P

L1328[16:33:25] <gamax92> vifino: which compiler

L1329[16:33:28] <vifino> gamax92: gcc

L1330[16:33:31] <gamax92> ahh

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L1332[16:34:07] <gamax92> I had tried clang out in mingw-msys2, the dll's it built still caused the process to immediately crash when loading them

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L1334[16:34:28] <Mimiru> Wow.. that {0xc6} guy has been killed for spam a lot.

L1335[16:34:45] <vifino> Mimiru: Read closly.

L1336[16:34:51] <gamax92> she knows

L1337[16:34:58] <vifino> doh

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L1339[16:35:07] <Mimiru> o_o

L1340[16:35:09] <gamax92> also I should of had clang dump it's class format out, see if the vtable was actually msvc styled

L1341[16:35:26] <Mimiru> isdusikdfgsdf

L1342[16:35:31] <Mimiru> Why is it doing that

L1343[16:35:36] <gamax92> llvm docs says clang on windows should try to build msvc compatible binaries

L1344[16:36:20] <Mimiru> %addadmin Lizzy

L1345[16:36:30] <Mimiru> %listadmins

L1346[16:36:31] <MichiBot> Mimiru: DEPERECATED! Current admins: {Michiyo=9}

L1347[16:36:35] <Mimiru> \o/

L1348[16:36:44] <gamax92> err?

L1349[16:36:50] <vifino> ^

L1350[16:37:02] <Mimiru> http://michi.pc-logix.com/2015-09-27_16-36-58.png

L1351[16:37:04] <Mimiru> ^

L1352[16:37:22] <vifino> i see

L1353[16:37:22] <gamax92> ahh

L1354[16:37:24] <gamax92> ^

L1355[16:37:31] <Mimiru> v

L1356[16:37:32] <Mimiru> lol

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L1359[16:37:48] <gamax92> Mimiru, how often do you use linux?

L1360[16:38:17] <Mimiru> Pretty often, all but one of my servers is linux I have a desktop VM I use since I game too much to bother rebooting

L1361[16:38:30] <Mimiru> I also have my local router/proxy running linux

L1362[16:38:54] <gamax92> any opinion on Windows' font renderer and not-Windows? :P

L1363[16:39:34] <Mimiru> I often find Linux's font rendering to look... fuzzy? at times.

L1364[16:39:42] <Mimiru> I'm not sure if it's just me, or what though

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L1366[16:40:04] <gamax92> It can be

L1367[16:40:18] <gamax92> Full Hinting seems to clean that up a bit though

L1368[16:42:46] <Mimiru> I eventually get used to it though

L1369[16:42:53] <Mimiru> But if it's been a while

L1370[16:43:04] <gamax92> Yeah :P

L1371[16:43:28] <gamax92> Going into Windows after having used Linux for quite a while, font's make me want to stab my eyes

L1372[16:43:42] <Mimiru> lol

L1373[16:44:21] <Mimiru> Ok.. so now I think I found where the spam comes from. I think something is wrong with my NickServ tracking

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L1375[16:57:10] <CompanionCube> Mimiru, what distro do you use in Linux

L1376[16:57:24] <Mimiru> Fedora, and Ubuntu

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L1378[16:59:55] <CompanionCube> http://www.infinality.net/blog/

L1379[17:00:13] <gamax92> yeah yeah yeah, those people

L1380[17:02:29] <Turtle> oooh. ZI EI wires connect components too

L1381[17:03:28] <Mimiru> Well, I just found the reason it spams who..

L1382[17:03:39] <Mimiru> I'm a derp and forgot to ! the check

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L1388[17:21:17] <MajGenRelativity> has anyone setup a Enhanced Portals 3 computer controller?

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L1393[17:24:50] <vifino> CompanionCube: I use infinality patches since ever.

L1394[17:25:01] <vifino> They make stuff 100% better.

L1395[17:32:34] <scj643> Open security is still using the old recipe for switch

L1396[17:33:01] <Mimiru> I disagree.

L1397[17:33:11] <scj643> The latest on curse forge is

L1398[17:34:09] <scj643> Oh wait

L1399[17:34:45] <Kodos> Why the hell did MFernflower link his computer controlled potion issue in an issue about generic nanomachine research...

L1400[17:34:49] <scj643> There was an update a day offer

L1401[17:34:53] <Mimiru> Aww, and I was just loading my test pack to prove it.

L1402[17:35:02] <scj643> Lol

L1403[17:35:19] <scj643> Time to wget it into my server and pack files

L1404[17:35:30] <Mimiru> And THIS is why we don't say "latest"

L1405[17:35:42] <Mimiru> Cause your latest, and my latest, were an update apart.

L1406[17:38:50] <scj643> Lol

L1407[17:39:05] <scj643> Rezipping my pack

L1408[17:42:53] <scj643> Well all versions are "latest" at some point

L1409[17:43:31] <vifino> lets hope freetype2 builds and doesnt segfault

L1410[17:43:46] <scj643> Lol

L1411[17:45:24] <scj643> Who is mfernflower on IRC

L1412[17:46:08] <vifino> mfernflower is mfernflower.

L1413[17:46:10] <vifino> .-.

L1414[17:46:27] <scj643> No that's his github name

L1415[17:46:55] <vifino> ...

L1416[17:47:15] <vifino> gamax92: I give up on him right *now*.

L1417[17:47:30] <Mimiru> scj643, ot

L1418[17:47:33] <Mimiru> err

L1419[17:47:39] <Mimiru> it's mfernflower.

L1420[17:47:49] <scj643> Is he off IRC

L1421[17:48:01] <Mimiru> Well, that's a safe assumption, since... he's not here.

L1422[17:48:07] <scj643> Also I think the tool tips for open security is gone

L1423[17:48:08] <Mimiru> [17:47:51] * [mfernflower] (webchat@ool-45791436.dyn.optonline.net): http://webchat.esper.net/

L1424[17:48:08] <Mimiru> [17:47:51] * [mfernflower] webchat.esper.net :Sun Sep 27 16:03:38 2015

L1425[17:48:08] <Mimiru> [17:47:51] * mfernflower :End of WHOWAS

L1426[17:48:19] <gamax92> vifino: agreed

L1427[17:48:39] <Mimiru> scj643, OS doesn't have tooltips. If it did they're from OC, and I changed nothing.

L1428[17:48:51] <scj643> Oh ok

L1429[17:49:13] <scj643> Where can I get documentation?

L1430[17:50:10] <Mimiru> github

L1431[17:50:33] <scj643> Ok

L1432[17:50:42] <Mimiru> It's a bit out of date, but close enough https://github.com/PC-Logix/OpenSecurity/wiki

L1433[17:53:01] <Mimiru> in game you can =component_name.method() and get docs too

L1434[17:53:30] <scj643> Just need block usage for Kim

L1435[17:53:33] <scj643> Kvm

L1436[17:53:43] <Mimiru> KVM has no methods.

L1437[17:53:46] <Mimiru> atm anyway

L1438[17:53:50] <Mimiru> it's physical control

L1439[17:53:54] <Mimiru> right click it

L1440[17:54:03] <scj643> Ok

L1441[17:54:06] <vifino> click click work work

L1442[17:54:22] <scj643> How do I work this

L1443[17:54:29] <gamax92> did you click it

L1444[17:54:35] <scj643> Yes

L1445[17:54:45] <Mimiru> one side is the output, IIRC it's blue, the others are input, iirc orange

L1446[17:54:52] <Mimiru> you select the currently active input

L1447[17:55:09] <Mimiru> connect cables, or components or whatever to the the other sides

L1448[17:55:57] <Mimiru> Put computers on all of the inputs, and a keyboard/monitor on the output and you can switch which computer you're controlling

L1449[17:56:17] <scj643> Which one is the output

L1450[17:56:39] <Mimiru> ¬_¬

L1451[17:56:41] <Mimiru> "one side is the output, IIRC it's blue"

L1452[17:56:50] <Mimiru> It's the one that looks different from the rest.

L1453[17:57:04] <scj643> Ok

L1454[17:57:14] <scj643> Then how do I attach a computer to it?

L1455[17:57:35] <Mimiru> AFK I have to find a pistol, and a single bullet

L1456[17:57:57] <scj643> All I see is blue only one is lighter

L1457[17:59:43] <scj643> KVM is confusing me

L1458[18:00:09] <scj643> Oh wait do the inputs have to be next to it

L1459[18:00:20] <Mimiru> Ok, I lied

L1460[18:00:24] <Mimiru> the output is orange

L1461[18:00:27] <Mimiru> and no... cables work

L1462[18:00:44] <Mimiru> http://michi.pc-logix.com/Minecraft_1.7.10_2015-09-27_18-00-35.png

L1463[18:00:57] <Mimiru> Orange is what you connect to a keyboard/monitor

L1464[18:01:01] <scj643> I don't have any orange

L1465[18:01:12] <scj643> Oh wait figured it out

L1466[18:01:14] <Mimiru> Then you've done *something* wrong.

L1467[18:03:25] <scj643> Got it working

L1468[18:04:59] <Mimiru> What was the issue?

L1469[18:05:52] <scj643> Getting it to align the Orange

L1470[18:06:08] <scj643> Ever though about making it work with a scrench?

L1471[18:06:10] <Temia> Oraaaange?1

L1472[18:06:16] <Temia> ...dammit fthumbs

L1473[18:06:19] <Temia> ...THUMBS

L1474[18:06:21] <Temia> Gah

L1475[18:06:35] <Mimiru> "align"? It faces your direction when you place it.

L1476[18:06:37] * Temia goes back to idling since apparently she can't thumbboard atm

L1477[18:06:59] <Mimiru> Also rotating that bitch after it's placed is a pain in the ass.

L1478[18:07:08] <scj643> How do you do it

L1479[18:07:14] <Mimiru> You don't.

L1480[18:07:23] <Mimiru> Because it's a pain. in. the. ass

L1481[18:07:29] <scj643> ......

L1482[18:08:27] <Mimiru> As I said, rotating it after it is placed, is a pain in the ass.

L1483[18:08:48] <scj643> How is it a pain

L1484[18:08:56] <Mimiru> ¬_¬

L1485[18:11:18] <Temia> I think there is a simple disagreement over the difficulty, and whether it's simply possible to do without pulling it up and replacing it

L1486[18:11:34] <scj643> Oh

L1487[18:13:02] <scj643> Also I think their might be a side missing from your logic

L1488[18:13:10] <scj643> Front

L1489[18:13:21] <Mimiru> "Front" is the output.

L1490[18:13:24] <Mimiru> Always.

L1491[18:13:45] <Mimiru> It's just like OC's side stuff, the side is relative to the placement of the block.

L1492[18:13:55] <scj643> Then why when output is on top no matter what I do I can't get what looks like the right side to output

L1493[18:14:32] <Temia> step back and put down a piece of cobble or something to place it against

L1494[18:14:48] <scj643> The logic is broken when the top is the output

L1495[18:16:02] <scj643> This is because back isn't the bottom

L1496[18:16:18] <Kodos> http://gfycat.com/AnimatedEsteemedAndalusianhorse *Drools*

L1497[18:16:34] <scj643> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/9DZ96AkY/1443395784.JPG

L1498[18:16:51] <Mimiru> Right works *just* fine with the output on top for me.

L1499[18:17:07] <scj643> Not all the sides are usable

L1500[18:17:20] <scj643> On that image what is highlighted is top

L1501[18:17:25] <scj643> Back

L1502[18:17:29] <scj643> I meant back

L1503[18:17:47] <scj643> Which should be under the block

L1504[18:17:59] <scj643> Behind the supposed front

L1505[18:19:24] <Mimiru> And this is why rotating the block after placement is a pain in the ass. Trying to track the active side is hard enough without rotation.

L1506[18:19:33] <scj643> Oh

L1507[18:22:23] <vifino> Hey Temiamoo, do you know how I can get OpenGL and X accelleration working? :/

L1508[18:22:36] <Mimiru> I'll bash my face against it after food.

L1509[18:23:32] * Mimiru sighs

L1510[18:23:39] <Mimiru> up and down use the same logic as south ¬_¬

L1511[18:25:51] <scj643> For now I'm using a net splinter

L1512[18:31:11] <scj643> S3

L1513[18:35:24] <scj643> S3 you here?

L1514[18:40:36] <Temia> It should work so long as you have a functional X11 video driver o.o

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L1516[18:41:37] <gamax92> Temia: My video driver is a framebuffer

L1517[18:41:43] <Temia> ...oh.

L1518[18:42:20] <Temia> You're not going to be able to get a GLX viewport that way .w.

L1519[18:42:48] <Inari> hm

L1520[18:42:52] <Inari> can OC write books?

L1521[18:43:02] <Mimiru> OpenPrinter can almost write books.

L1522[18:43:16] <Inari> yeah but openprinter has the issue all addons have :D

L1523[18:43:18] <Inari> they're never included

L1524[18:43:30] <Temia> Then no.

L1525[18:43:32] <Mimiru> AFAIK, the closest you're gonna get is a debug card and changing the NBT yourself

L1526[18:43:39] <scj643> Lol

L1527[18:43:41] <Inari> bleh

L1528[18:44:01] <Mimiru> One day I'll poke OP more..

L1529[18:44:03] <gamax92> Temia: ... Accelerated Framebuffer

L1530[18:44:18] <scj643> S3 joined my server somehow but he didn't bother to ask if there was an update

L1531[18:44:19] <Inari> oh well gotta think of something else fun then

L1532[18:44:36] <Temia> This is with a Raspberry Pi then, I'm assuming

L1533[18:44:49] <Mimiru> Well, It tells you stuff is out of date, so I'm sure he'll figure it out

L1534[18:47:20] <Temia> Do you have Mesa installed?

L1535[18:50:41] <vifino> Temia: How did you get the drivers on arch?

L1536[18:50:52] <Temia> I'd have to boot my Pi up and check again

L1537[18:51:05] <Temia> Is this a Pi 1 or Pi 2?

L1538[18:51:29] <vifino> pi 2.

L1539[18:51:38] <Temia> Ah.

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L1541[18:52:09] <Temia> I'm... not even sure if EGL is implemented for X11 servers on the Pi 2

L1542[18:52:19] <vifino> aww :<

L1543[18:52:31] <vifino> Wait, don't they use the same gpu?

L1544[18:52:50] <gamax92> man, windows update takes years to check for updates

L1545[18:52:58] <Temia> SoCs are fickle beasts.

L1546[18:53:08] <Temia> Even the most minute of differences can make for a lot of workarounds

L1547[18:53:58] <Temia> Alternatively, is Wayland and XWayland available for your system?

L1548[18:54:14] <vifino> Uuuh, I dunno.

L1549[18:54:21] <vifino> It's arch so I guess?

L1550[18:54:26] <Temia> Oh wait, according to this, XWayland is part of Xorg

L1551[18:55:22] <Temia> Sorry, I haven't even begun to set up my Pi 2 for graphical operations, and I was honestly going to run it directly

L1552[18:56:16] <vifino> Aww.

L1553[18:56:35] <Temia> Anyway, check if Wayland's installed in that case.

L1554[18:56:53] <vifino> It's not, just xorg.

L1555[18:57:38] <Temia> Alright, I recommend then looking up a way to switch over to a Wayland compositor for the RPi2

L1556[18:57:55] <Temia> Mesa works directly with it, so you should be able to get hardware acceleration that way

L1557[18:58:57] <vifino> I thought mesa would only run the software renderer?

L1558[18:59:11] <vifino> I don't even know .~.

L1559[19:03:58] <Temia> No o.o

L1560[19:04:18] <Temia> In fact, software rendering is the last resort if Mesa can't find anything else.

L1561[19:09:15] <vifino> OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.6, 128 bits)

L1562[19:09:17] <vifino> :(

L1563[19:11:01] <gamax92> mmm, llvmpipe

L1564[19:11:43] <vifino> gamax92: That may be good on something with a good cpu but a bad gpu, but not the oposite :(

L1565[19:12:27] <gamax92> bad cpu but good gpu?

L1566[19:12:39] <vifino> Yes.

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L1570[19:41:32] <Mimiru> scj643, just pushed a new build, I think it fixes it...

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L1572[19:49:03] <scj643> Well it's going to update tommorow

L1573[19:49:59] <scj643> Is s3 even here?

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L1575[19:50:52] <Mimiru> Well, I'd have to assume no, and the 10 hours idle agrees

L1576[19:51:05] <scj643> Ok

L1577[19:51:12] <scj643> Well he connected to my mc server

L1578[19:51:28] <scj643> And then DCed because of mod updates

L1579[19:52:05] <Mimiru> k.

L1580[19:52:19] <scj643> Has anyone made a way of remote controlling drones

L1581[19:53:02] <Kodos> Sanger did

L1582[19:53:07] <Kodos> It's on his gist afaik

L1583[19:55:01] <scj643> Link?

L1584[19:55:13] <Kodos> sec

L1585[19:56:10] <Kodos> https://gist.github.com/MyNameIsKodos/51fc4f8e9b455f3008bf

L1586[19:56:21] <Kodos> Bios.lua goes on the drone's eeprom, client goes on the tablet or whatever you want to stick it on

L1587[19:56:31] <Kodos> I'd recommend tablet though, for obvious reasons

L1588[19:58:31] <scj643> yep

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L1590[20:20:19] * Antheus sets Kodos on fire

L1591[20:21:19] * scj643 sets Antheus ablaze

L1592[20:21:42] * Antheus becomes a blaze and starts setting #oc on fire

L1593[20:22:07] * scj643 gets a blizz to take care of it

L1594[20:22:13] <Antheus> blizz?

L1595[20:22:39] <scj643> A cold version of blaze in TE

L1596[20:28:56] <Mimiru> K, so moved SED's enabled state over to sqlite... now to move the rest of the hooks to it

L1597[20:37:48] <scj643> Need to figure out how to use Internet.request

L1598[20:41:02] <scj643> How would I print the output of Internet,request

L1599[20:41:19] <gamax92> what if, a bot searched over the internet, turning every gist hash into nuclear launch codes

L1600[20:41:40] <scj643> Need this to see if pushbullet is working

L1601[20:44:58] <ds84182> I'm thinking of taking multiple drones and make them follow a player using triangulation or something

L1602[20:45:42] <scj643> Keep getting 401s

L1603[20:46:12] <Mimiru> Then authorize yoself

L1604[20:50:08] <scj643> Trying that

L1605[20:50:41] <scj643> Internet.requst isn't sending the headers properly

L1606[20:52:45] <scj643> https://docs.pushbullet.com

L1607[20:59:13] <Inari> guns push bullets

L1608[20:59:16] <Inari> or hm

L1609[20:59:19] <Inari> guess that istn accurate

L1610[20:59:29] <scj643> Lol

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L1612[21:26:50] <Antheus> BTW the eclipse is very pretty

L1613[21:26:58] <Antheus> for those who are not lucky enough

L1614[21:32:03] <gamax92> faku

L1615[21:34:35] <Inari> haha

L1616[21:34:37] <Inari> it is

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L1619[21:42:38] <Antheus> What's wrong gamax92

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L1622[22:44:52] <Izaya> ah fun

L1623[22:45:09] <Izaya> crash course in grub recovery

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L1626[23:00:00] <Antheus> Ah

L1627[23:00:13] <Antheus> It loooked so cool un-eclipsing

L1628[23:00:20] <Antheus> the clouds cleared out of the way

L1629[23:00:22] <Antheus> 10/10

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L1637[23:21:47] <Izaya> fucking consumer systems

L1638[23:22:08] <Izaya> where's the disable Extensible Fuckup Interface?

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L1640[23:32:28] <Temia> wah

L1641[23:32:35] <Temia> I fell asleep before the eclipse started

L1642[23:32:38] <Temia> Ah well

L1643[23:32:45] <Temia> I probably wouldn't have seen anything anyway

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L1646[23:35:49] <Lilly_Satou> rip

L1647[23:36:26] <Temia> ;_;

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