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L1[00:00:10] <clever> another issue ive run
into
L2[00:00:16] <clever> i use synergy, there
is no keyboard/mouse on the desktop
L3[00:00:25] <clever> grub obviously doesnt
support synergy
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L5[00:03:13] <clever> and there was also
issues with windows update essentialy commiting suicide
L6[00:03:21] <clever> grub defaults to
linux, and windows keeps trying to reboot itself
L7[00:03:28] <clever> and when un-attended,
it doesnt come back up
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L9[00:03:46] <Keridos> clever ah yeah the
windows reboots
L10[00:04:01] <Keridos> but i think you can
disable autoreboot
L11[00:04:10] <Keridos> mine does default
to windows though
L12[00:04:18] <Keridos> since i like to
play gw2 regularly
L13[00:05:09] <clever> on that
hardware
L14[00:05:11] <clever> i should probably
just change the default, since i dont use linux much
L15[00:05:14] <clever> i got linux on
everything else
L16[00:05:41] <Keridos> I would love to use
linux more
L17[00:06:19] <Keridos> but wine while
still is good since I switched to staging but it is really not good
working for some games
L18[00:06:27] <Keridos> especially gw2 lags
like hell
L19[00:08:32] <Keridos> reminds me: i need
to run full debug any manage to crash gw2 and diablo to get a
proper crashlog
L20[00:11:49] <PotatoTrumpet> hmm
L21[00:11:54] <PotatoTrumpet> Think I'm
going to play factorio
L22[00:15:45] <Katie> ¬_¬ gamax92 have you
used FTP on Eos..?
L23[00:16:58] <gamax92> Katie: yeah, makes
it easy to push stuff to it
L24[00:17:08] <Katie> Well.. the reason I
ask..
L25[00:17:24] <Katie> I can connect with no
issue over FTP..
L26[00:17:28] <Katie> but I can't
upload...
L27[00:17:33] <Katie> Permission denied
:/
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L29[00:18:10] <gamax92> err, but my script
relies on ftp .-.
L30[00:18:32] <Katie> Yeah, I'm a bit
confused. :/
L31[00:18:41] <Katie> If it works for you
there is no reason for it not to work for me.
L32[00:19:13] <Katie> I notice the owner is
listed as my uid..
L33[00:19:13] <gamax92> oh err sorry, I had
switched it out to use SSH before the FTP stuff was added :s
L34[00:19:22] <Katie> Oh..
L35[00:19:24] <Katie> Hmm
L36[00:31:40] <PotatoTrumpet> Hm
L37[00:31:58] <PotatoTrumpet> So, App. I'm
under a Tornado watch until 3 am
L38[00:32:09] <PotatoTrumpet> :|
L39[00:32:35] <PotatoTrumpet> And tomorrow
is supposed to have very very very bad storms
L40[00:32:41] <PotatoTrumpet> Yay
texas
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L44[00:48:39] <PotatoTrumpet> so uh
L45[00:48:44] <PotatoTrumpet> is there a
RFID thingy for OC
L46[00:51:06] <Kodos> Zetta Industries has
NFC
L47[00:51:17] <gamax92> Katie: sorry
:s
L48[00:51:28] <PotatoTrumpet> What's Zetta
Industries?
L50[00:56:07] <Katie> got screencloud to
upload via sftp
L51[00:56:33] <PotatoTrumpet> I read that
as #LadyDev.NSFW
L52[00:56:43] <PotatoTrumpet> Hmm,
#BlameSangar?
L53[00:56:56] <Katie> Yes,
#BlameSangar
L54[00:57:21] <PotatoTrumpet> Hurm
L55[00:57:24] <PotatoTrumpet> Brb
L56[00:57:25] <Katie> K, I need to get my
fire theme moved over here
L57[00:57:38] <Katie> This bright ass white
is killing me
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L61[00:59:23] <PotatoMango> dafuq
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L65[01:00:29] <Katie> \o/*
L67[01:00:48] <MichiBot> Ping reply from
Katie 0.65s
L68[01:00:49] <MichiBot> Ping reply from
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L69[01:00:50] <MichiBot> Ping reply from
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L70[01:01:33] <Katie> also \o/ yay my
highlight script works too
L71[01:02:57] <PotatoTrumpet> %p
L72[01:02:58] <MichiBot> Ping reply from
PotatoTrumpet 1.12s
L73[01:03:06] <Keridos> %p
L74[01:03:07] <MichiBot> Ping reply from
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L80[02:13:32] <Satorikus> Is there working
server with latest OpenComputers? Looks like i tried all from
forum, and they're all down\empty
L83[02:25:00] <Kodos> Fail
L84[02:25:05] <Kodos> Satorikus, there's a
Jenkins
L85[02:25:11] <Kodos> Link's in the
topic
L86[02:25:17] <Kodos> Under 'Dev
builds'
L87[02:25:36] <Izaya> Kodos, I think he's
talking about Minecraft servers
L88[02:37:53] <Satorikus> Yes... I have
nobody to use Jenkins with, so i'd like to try find somebody
playing on servers.
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L95[03:28:15] <Sulljason> %p
L96[03:28:17] <MichiBot> Ping reply from
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L102[04:58:48] <Keridos> i guess there are
working server with OC, but most are private i guess
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L104[05:04:51] <hitecnologys> Err, the guy
left but just in case, I've already told once that I host a server
with OC on it as well as some other mods which is usually up and
open for anyone out there.
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L109[05:51:22] <Sangar> o/
L110[05:51:29] <Vexatos> o/ Sangar
L111[05:51:34] <Vexatos> How's real life
doing
L112[05:51:39] <Magik6k> \o
L113[05:51:41] <Sangar> fine fine
L114[05:52:00] <Vexatos> s/life/loaf
L115[05:52:00] <MichiBot> <Vexatos>
How's real loaf doing
L116[05:52:10] <Sangar> s/real/meat
L117[05:52:11] <MichiBot> <Vexatos>
How's meat loaf doing
L118[05:53:10] <Vexatos> D:
L119[05:53:12] <Vexatos> D;
L120[05:53:14] <Vexatos> :'(
L121[05:53:47] <Sangar> gonna enjoy the
last few weeks of not working :P
L122[05:54:35] <Sangar> then gonna enjoy
working ;)
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L124[05:56:08] <Sandra> whoa, Sangar,
you're signed up for a job now? cool.
L125[05:57:22] <Sangar> yeah, really happy
with where i got it, too :3 got lucky after all
L126[05:58:01] <Vexatos> where?
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L128[05:58:53] <Sangar> let's say i get to
stay in munich :P
L129[05:59:04] <Vexatos> wait munich
L130[05:59:19] <Vexatos> you don't even
have a south-Bavarian dialect
L131[05:59:22] <Vexatos> what is this
sorcersy
L132[05:59:25] <Vexatos> sorcery*
L133[05:59:45] <Sangar> people growing up
in munich generally don't tend to have much of a dialect
L134[06:00:22] <Vexatos> Well, it's not
much of a dialect
L135[06:00:30] <Vexatos> (Unlike north
Bavaria q_q)
L136[06:00:36] <Vexatos> but there
definitely is one
L137[06:02:29] <Sangar> once you go
outside of munich, absolutely, and tons of different ones at that,
too :P but in munich? not so much. probably to do with there being
tons of people from all over germany/the world in munich ;) as it
is with any larger city, i guess.
L138[06:03:56] <Vexatos> Mhm
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L145[06:22:54] <Sulljason> Sangar:
\o
L146[06:23:03] <Sangar> o/
L147[06:23:28] <Sulljason> just realised I
use geolyzer for drone and robot pathing :l
L148[06:23:49] <Sulljason> geolyzer
\o/
L149[06:23:52] <Sangar> yay, imc wrapper
class for api mostly done... templates remain... not sure how lazy
to be about those >_>
L150[06:24:05] <Sangar> that's an option
indeed :)
L151[06:24:44] <Sulljason> now if I could
make a 3D pathing algorithm :l
L152[06:25:17] <Kubuxu> \o Sangar. Do you
have any ETA for Video RAM? It would be awesome for plot lib I want
to write.
L153[06:25:59] <Sulljason> Kubuxu: but
recipes can be changed so cards might not have ram or
something!
L154[06:26:21] <Vexatos> hat
L155[06:26:22] <Kubuxu> Sulljason, it is
something different.
L156[06:26:22] <Vexatos> what
L157[06:26:28] <Vexatos> That's not how
vram works
L158[06:26:29] <Vexatos> >_>
L159[06:27:04] <Sulljason> Well theres
vram in the form of system memory.
L160[06:27:24] <Vexatos> .-.
L161[06:27:28] <Vexatos> -.-
L162[06:27:39] <Sangar> Kubuxu, not
really; to be honest, i probably won't be looking into that anytime
soon, in particular with me starting work next month :/ but if you
want to have a go at that yourself, or know someone that does, by
all means; note the open-for-adotion tag :P
L163[06:28:00] <Kubuxu> Ok.
L164[06:28:24] *
Sulljason has a feeling Vexatos doesn't like him very much
lol
L165[06:28:38] <Vexatos> Kubuxu, Zetta
Industries P:
L166[06:28:58] <Kubuxu> Vexatos, what with
Zetta Industries?
L167[06:29:39] <Sulljason> Sangar: Could
we get APUs to free up card slots?
L168[06:29:40] <Magik6k> Kubuxu, I looked
into making vram not so long ago and it seemed to be simple to
implement
L169[06:30:22] *
Izaya was thinking about having integrated stuffs on motherboards
yesterday
L170[06:30:27] <Sangar> Sulljason,
integrated graphics? nah :P
L171[06:30:29] <Sulljason> Sangar: Like
CPU with equiv GPU tier with a component bus card could work as a
recipe.
L172[06:30:30] <Vexatos> Kubuxu, video RAM
:P
L173[06:30:54] <Izaya> Perhaps you could
have mediocre-quality, slow, peripheral stuff (ie networking)
onboard.
L174[06:30:58] <Vexatos> Sulljason,
that's.... why have card slots then >_>
L175[06:31:28] <Sangar> gaaah, Java, y u
no tuples D:
L176[06:31:29] <Sulljason> Vexatos: You
can put stuff other than GPUs in the cardz.
L177[06:31:57] <Kubuxu> Sulljason, Video
RAM is to be additional video buffer. Now you can draw only on
screen but you could draw to VideoRAM and just copy it to
screen.
L178[06:32:21] <Sulljason> Ya make an
array of pixel values...
L179[06:32:55] <Kubuxu> IT is not hard but
also not THAT simple.
L180[06:33:23] <Sulljason> If I knew more
about graphics I would make my own library. But I is not man for
jerb
L181[06:35:06] <Sulljason> You have memory
and floating point OPs. Tis all you need.
L182[06:35:07] *
Izaya is considering doing the inverse: using the GPU's RAM as more
system RAM
L183[06:35:15] <Sulljason> ^
L184[06:35:30] <Kubuxu> ~w gpu
L186[06:35:43] <Kubuxu> You need 80% of
that for it to be usable.
L187[06:36:00] <Kubuxu> reasonably usable:
Sulljason
L188[06:36:36] <Sulljason> I just meant
you have those two things so there isn't anything stopping you from
making a CPU driven rendering library
L189[06:37:45] <Sulljason> I'm not super
familiar with rendering so I wouldn't know all the things to
impliment.
L190[06:38:20] <Sulljason> So I would
rather not make a library then make an admittedly shitty one.
L191[06:38:53] <asie> oh, huh
L192[06:39:01] <asie> i just noticed that
the Bukkit repo is not DMCA'd, only CraftBukkit.
L193[06:39:02] <asie> Ho-hum.
L194[06:39:34] <Sulljason> Ya it was a
weird one it's a big part of why Sponge can use Bukkit
L195[06:39:58] <Kubuxu> Sulljason, you
could store it all in lua but there is one reason. IT is
slow.
L196[06:40:04] <Sulljason> After Mojang
decided their best course of action was to flip off all the people
that made their game playable.
L197[06:40:30] <Kubuxu> Like Vexatos made
RSA cripting block as RSA key generation was taking minutes in
lua.
L198[06:41:09] <Sulljason> Ya it's purely
interpreted. But you are at most working with a 180x60 screen
L199[06:42:29] <asie> Sulljason: Actually,
they can't
L200[06:42:32] <asie> but that's another
story.
L201[06:43:00] <Sulljason> Rlly huh
thought they were maybe they're making compatable functions but
their own src.
L202[06:43:06] <asie> Sulljason: They
are.
L203[06:43:09] <asie> But they're not
exactly compatible.
L204[06:44:08] <Sulljason> Kubuxu: Why
would virtual vram make it faster? (im assuming all the math would
still be done in Lua.)
L205[06:44:26] <Kubuxu> You can print it
with one command.
L206[06:44:33] <Kubuxu> Not x*y
commands...
L207[06:46:12] <Sulljason> Sangar: Is
method invokation rlly the speed limit in Lua?
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L209[06:46:46] <Sangar> ?
L210[06:46:53] <Magik6k> Sulljason, gpu
calls are limited
L211[06:47:06] <Kubuxu> Sulljason, not but
sending informations about single char change is much less
efficient than whole buffer.
L212[06:47:07] <Sulljason> "
L213[06:47:09] <Sulljason> [04:44]
<Kubuxu> You can print it with one command.
L214[06:47:10] <Sulljason> [04:44]
<Kubuxu> Not x*y commands...
L215[06:47:10] <Magik6k> (in fact most
componnts calls are)
L216[06:47:23] <Sulljason> Oh ya its a
component XD
L217[06:48:39] <Sulljason> Kubuxu: Add a
method to swap buffers to the GPU then?
L218[06:49:02] <Kubuxu> Gosh. It was all
discussed already.
L219[06:49:11] <Kubuxu> Read through
issues.
L220[06:49:20] <Magik6k> ^
L221[06:49:34] <Sulljason> Kubuxu:
Whatever impliment what ever you want it's your time.
L222[06:50:48] <Kubuxu> Sulljason, Vexatos
is not not liking you (god double negation in English is wrong but
in Polish it is totally normal and I don't know how to change
that). You are hell lot annoying. :D
L223[06:52:34] <Magik6k> Is there any way
to get cpu tier?
L225[06:55:02] <Kubuxu> You could
benchmark it...
L226[06:55:12] <Magik6k> hmm
L227[06:55:28] <Kubuxu> Magik6k, I want
such program.
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L229[07:02:39] <Kubuxu> Sangar, if I were
to add option to config do I have to do something special?
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L234[07:11:41] <Sangar> Kubuxu, only thing
to watch out for is that you have to add the defaults to the
application.conf, due to how typesafe config works
L235[07:12:08] <Kubuxu> Yeah. That I knew.
TY.
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L237[07:19:39] <Kubuxu> Sould I make
VideoRam as a custom Value or work with as you get an address and
you still should use GPU. IT would be counter-intuitive as I don't
think that it is possible to use existing GPU methods.
L238[07:20:32] <Vexatos> Kubuxu, why not
make it a RAM stick
L239[07:20:37] <Vexatos> and make it fit
into the RAM slot
L240[07:20:43] <Kubuxu> Hmmm.
L241[07:20:44] <Vexatos> wouldn't provide
ram, only video ram
L242[07:20:52] <Vexatos> so you exchange
memory for video power, Kubuxu
L243[07:21:06] <Vexatos> Wouldn't that be
quite interesting?
L244[07:21:17] <Kubuxu> That is neat idea
but you have only ?2? slots in T3 computer case.
L245[07:21:36] <Vexatos> A T3.5 stick is
more than enough still
L246[07:22:00] <Kubuxu> Hmm.
L247[07:22:04] <Kubuxu> Sangar, ^^
L248[07:22:59] <Sangar> i like the
idea
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L250[07:24:15] <Kubuxu> Tiered or
not?
L251[07:24:32] <Sangar> would the gpu then
have methods a la "copyFromVRAM"? and use the first vram
it finds? or maybe like the db, i.e. copyFromVRAM(address)?
L252[07:24:34] <Sangar> hmmm
L253[07:24:40] <Sangar> why not
tiered
L254[07:24:52] <Sangar> can't hurt
L255[07:24:58] <Sangar> :P
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L257[07:25:29] <Kubuxu> VideoRAM should
allow you to allocate multiple slots in it.
L258[07:26:04] <Kubuxu> So you can preload
few sprite. I could load grapth into it.
L259[07:28:15] <Sangar> yeah
L260[07:32:00] <Magik6k> sounds like I'll
be able to implement some windowed mode to my OS soon
L261[07:33:08] <Magik6k> Kubuxu, maybe
allow portions of vram to [multiple] screens
L262[07:33:23] <Magik6k> *binding
L263[07:33:35] <Kubuxu> IDK
L264[07:35:12] <Vexatos> Magik6k, detect
vram, add windows :3
L265[07:35:20] <Vexatos> Sangar, Win95 for
OC pls
L266[07:35:28] <Vexatos> :D
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L273[07:53:08] <Keridos> Sangar: btw your
fix made the export driver work perfectly as intended, now it does
not even export into other slots anymore :D
L274[07:53:22] <Keridos> finally an OC
computer is the REGULATORRRRR
L275[07:57:53] <Sandra> Kubuxu, what's
this about Video RAM?
L276[07:59:01] <Kubuxu> ?
L277[07:59:52] <Sandra> you were talking
about VRAM.
L278[08:00:02] <Sandra> what crazy addon
are you making.
L279[08:00:37] <Kubuxu> It is already
planned.
L280[08:00:43] <Kubuxu> On OC's issue
tracker
L282[08:04:12] <Vexatos> what
L283[08:04:21] <Vexatos> is that what I
think that is
L284[08:04:23] <Vexatos> o-o
L285[08:04:24] <Vexatos> what
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L287[08:11:19] <Sulljason> Sandra:
\o
L288[08:11:46] <Sandra> Vexatos, yes, it's
pokemmo.
L289[08:12:03] <Sandra> pokemon firered
& emerald, but massively multiplayer.
L290[08:12:05] <Sulljason> My bro is
making one of those currently :l
L291[08:12:21] <Sulljason> For a while he
wasn't even using OpenGL -.-
L292[08:12:51] <Sulljason> So I told him
about GDX. Saw a page open on his computer about how the internet
works... So I don't have high hopes. :/
L293[08:13:09] <Sandra> mmm hmm.
L294[08:13:36] <Sulljason> Sandra: So how
have they avoided getting their asses sued off?
L295[08:13:53] <Sulljason> Since Nintendo
seems alergic to the internet and the 21st century
L296[08:14:06] <Sandra> Sulljason, by
loading assets from the original roms.
L297[08:14:21] <Sulljason> Arn't the names
trademarked?
L298[08:14:31] <Sandra> yes they
are.
L299[08:14:47] <dangranos> can i run
function in background with shell on foreground without using
duplicated shells and boot mods?
L300[08:14:51] <Sandra> what names
specifically?
L301[08:15:13] <Sulljason> Think Odish lol
well rlly they are all technically.
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L303[08:15:26] <Sandra> well yeah, they
are trademarked.
L304[08:15:49] <Sandra> but can they
really sue for that.
L305[08:15:51] <Sulljason> Nintendo would
probably win the case. Maybe they just don't know it exists.
lol
L306[08:16:01] <Sulljason> Think so
trademarks are similar to copyrights
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L308[08:16:15] <Sandra> the games are
owned by nintendo.
L309[08:16:26] <Sulljason> Cause if you
use that you're trying to steal Pokemons cred or something
L310[08:16:36] <Vexatos> GAME FREAK
masterrace
L311[08:16:40] <Sandra> but the fact that
they aren't calling it "pokemon" sorta makes it not
correct.
L312[08:16:41] <Vexatos> 11/10 for the
name being capslocked
L313[08:17:02] <Sandra> it's
PokeMMO.
L314[08:17:08] <hitecnologys> dangranos:
there's rc.d.
L315[08:17:11] <Vexatos> Sulljason, maybe
the main nintendo guys are playing it themselves :3
L316[08:17:12] <Sandra> clearly different
thing.
L317[08:17:12] <Sulljason> Ya but they're
still technically using other companies trademarks
L318[08:17:18] <dangranos> hitecnologys,
huh?
L319[08:17:28] <hitecnologys> dangranos:
check /etc/rc.cfg.
L320[08:17:33] <hitecnologys> dangranos:
and /etc/rc.d/
L321[08:17:35] <dangranos> i want to be
able to start/stop/restart daemon
L322[08:17:36] <Sulljason> and PokeMMO
would probably been as similar enough as to be a copy
attempt.
L323[08:17:45] <Sandra> nintendo probably
are fine with letting it slide, since they don't distribute any
assets.
L324[08:17:46] <Sulljason> But I'm not a
lawyer so shrug
L325[08:17:48] <hitecnologys> dangranos:
and I can't recall the name of the program to manage daemons.
L326[08:18:04] <dangranos> damn
L327[08:18:06] <hitecnologys> dangranos:
wait a minute, my client has just crashed.
L328[08:18:22] <Sulljason> Sandra: They
didn't tear celiby.net to the ground and stomp on the ruins
L329[08:18:23] <dangranos> gonna write my
boot-level thingy for daemons :D
L330[08:18:27] <Sulljason> and they have
assets on there.
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L333[08:18:37] <Sandra> Sulljason, yes
exactly.
L334[08:18:51] <Sandra> so they've got
even less of a reason to tear this to the ground.
L335[08:19:11] <Sulljason> But dah
Youtubes DMCAs D:
L336[08:19:21] <Sandra> DMCA's are
easy.
L337[08:19:37] <Sandra> literally just do
it and they have to take it down for 14 days.
L338[08:19:44] <dangranos> Q_Q
L339[08:19:53] <Sulljason> Ya and Nintendo
has a fleet of lawyers :3
L340[08:20:06] <Sandra> after that, they
can put it back up and/or press charges.
L341[08:20:20] <Sandra> i.e. sue.
L342[08:20:44] <Sandra> that is my
understanding anyway.
L343[08:21:02] <hitecnologys> dangranos:
rc <service> command [args]
L344[08:21:06] <Sulljason> I there a
lawyer in deh house!?
L345[08:21:52] <Sandra> I'm not a lawyer
but I actually know a very large amount about US copyright
law.
L346[08:22:08] <Sandra> since I've heard
about them numerous times.
L347[08:22:22] *
Sulljason knows a decent amount too, but its still anecdotal and
theres lots of little nitpicky stipulations.
L348[08:22:51] <Sandra> true.
L349[08:23:26] <Sandra> law is like
that.
L350[08:23:33] <Sulljason> ^
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L352[08:24:38] <Sulljason> Sangar still
here?
L353[08:25:18] <Sulljason> Also is the CPU
call limit per tick of per sec I fergetz.
L354[08:25:55] <Sandra> still, let's
change subject from copyright law since that stuff is very
annoying.
L355[08:26:19] <Sandra> just know that
they've somehow avoided being sued for >3 years.
L356[08:26:32] <Sangar> Sulljason, per
tick
L357[08:26:41] <Sulljason> I thought the
discussion was already over lol
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L359[08:26:47] <Sandra> yeah.
L360[08:26:50] <Sandra> it was.
L361[08:27:12] <Sandra> I always like to
have the last say in discussions. :P
L362[08:27:27] <Sulljason> Sangar: Can we
has a buffer swap method on the GPU that uses tables? So we can
renderz at 40fps?
L363[08:28:19] *
Sulljason is trying to make an Xbox One in game so 40 is enough.
*Badum tiss*
L364[08:29:16] <Sangar> faster than 20fps
won't be a thing, because queued screen updates are only synced
once per tick :P as for backbuffer stuff, that's what Kubuxu is
looking into right now, I believe
L365[08:30:35] <Sulljason> Sangar: He
confused me I'm not 100% sure what he's really adding.
L366[08:30:47] <Sandra> the AI in this
game is smart enough to switch pokemon. which annoys me to no
end.
L367[08:31:36] <Sulljason> Sandra: Doesn't
pokemon have optimal strategies that you can mathmatically
prove?
L368[08:31:50] <Sandra> does it?
L369[08:32:05] <Sandra> I don't really go
into that,
L370[08:32:10] <Sandra> as I simply don't
care.
L371[08:33:01] <Sandra> THINGS I PLAY
GAMES FOR: Music, Story, Art Style, How well gameplay fits the
above 3.
L372[08:33:53] <Sandra> I don't actually
care about gameplay in it's own right.
L373[08:34:06] <Sandra> unless it's
minecraft.
L374[08:34:14] <Sandra> in which case I
really actually do care.
L375[08:34:50] <Sandra> which is
weird.
L376[08:35:15] <Izaya> Minecraft has
terrible music, no story and eh art.
L377[08:35:20] <Izaya> So gameplay is
important.
L378[08:35:33] <Sulljason> Sandra: well
the entire point of MC is the gameplay
L379[08:35:37] <Sandra> I love minecraft's
music though.
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L382[08:35:47] <Sandra> Heresy I
know.
L383[08:36:00] <Izaya> When I started
playing MC's music was good
L384[08:36:04] <Sandra> but I actually
like C418's music.
L385[08:36:16] <Izaya> but then there were
only 4 tracks and I started playing ib b1.3_01
L386[08:36:21] <Izaya> in*
L387[08:36:40] <Sulljason> The musics not
bad, but they def arn't classics like some 8 bit themes.
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L389[08:36:50] <Sandra> of course
obviously it's not as good as Danny Baranowsky's music.
L390[08:36:58] <Sandra> nothing's
better.
L391[08:37:04] <vifino> Hey Izaya.
L392[08:37:05] <Vexatos> y'know,
Izaya
L393[08:37:07] <Vexatos> there was a
time
L394[08:37:10] <Vexatos> a few years
ago
L395[08:37:19] <Kubuxu> Sangar, it is
getting bigger every minute I send with it...
L396[08:37:22] <Vexatos> when computer
became able to do multiple tasks at once
L397[08:37:34] <Vexatos> run multiple
processes in parallel
L398[08:37:39] <Vexatos> for instance
minecraft and your favourite music player
L399[08:37:49] <Kubuxu> bigger and more
problematic.
L400[08:37:50] <Vexatos> You might want to
upgrade from your old Atari
L401[08:37:54] <Vexatos> P:
L402[08:38:04] <Izaya> Atari?
L403[08:38:09] <Sulljason> Vexatos:
Computer could do multiple things on a single core D:
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L405[08:38:20] <Sulljason> Just really
fast context switching
L406[08:38:23] <Vexatos> Sulljason, such
sorcery
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L408[08:38:37] <Izaya> I don't have the
money for an atari, I'm running a homebrew 6502 box made out of
parts I found
L409[08:38:52] <Sandra> for some reason
the music here seems to be on a 2 second delay.
L410[08:38:57] <Sandra> which really irks
me.
L411[08:39:58] <Sandra> seriously I refuse
to play a game sans sound.
L412[08:40:40] <Sandra> despite how
annoyed it makes people around me.
L413[08:42:37] <Sulljason> Sandra: game
sans sound?
L414[08:42:51] <Sandra> yes, game without
sound.
L415[08:43:06] <Sulljason> sans?
L416[08:43:15] <Sandra> yes, sans =
without.
L417[08:43:24] <Sulljason> To google
translate!
L418[08:43:47] <Sulljason> French ok
L419[08:44:06] *
Sulljason is an ignorant American.
L420[08:44:34] <Vexatos> >_>
L421[08:44:42] <Vexatos> It's a common
term in English
L422[08:44:52] <Sulljason> It's a French
word.
L423[08:44:53] <Vexatos> Ever heard of
Computer text fonts "sans serif"
L424[08:44:58] <Sulljason> Ya.
L425[08:45:12] <Vexatos> >_>
L426[08:45:13] <Sulljason> Doesn't make it
English
L427[08:45:21] <Sandra> I am clearly not
ready for this gym yet.
L428[08:45:23] <Negi> It's a common mixed
term.
L429[08:45:24] <Sulljason> Other languages
use Latin characters.
L430[08:45:42] <Sandra> the trainer has 2
lvl 10s and I have a lvl 12 starter...
L431[08:46:01] <Negi> Just like a lot of
people in France use a lot of english words.
L432[08:46:18] *
Sulljason has never heard it used other than arbitrary font names.
Tbh they could called them "Oogldy Boogly" and I'ld use
the font.
L433[08:46:46] <Sandra> Sans basically
means without, but it's not used in common parlance.
L434[08:46:58] <Sulljason> What's serif
then?
L435[08:47:01] <DeanIsaKitty> Sulljason:
English didn't appear out of thin air. It developed from two
languages mostly: French and (early) German. So you find a lot of
french and german words in english. Bureau ie.
L436[08:47:13] <Sandra> Serif is a roman
font.
L437[08:47:24] <Sulljason> DeanIsaKitty:
Ik still doesn't make sans a frickin English word.
L438[08:47:26] <Sandra> it has serifs, on
the end of the icons.
L439[08:47:32] <DeanIsaKitty> Sulljason:
YES, it does.
L440[08:47:42] <Sandra> sans serif
doesn't.
L441[08:47:44] <Vexatos> DeanIsaKitty, and
normans
L442[08:47:48] <Sulljason> Developed from
not all is taken.
L443[08:47:56] <Vexatos> English had a
vast norse influence
L444[08:47:56] <Sandra> Sulljason, um, yes
it does.
L445[08:48:11] <Sulljason> English is more
Germanic than anything.
L446[08:48:23] <Vexatos> Sans serif just
means the font doesn't have serifs
L447[08:48:25] <Vexatos> obviously
L448[08:48:27] <Sandra> Sulljason, sans is
an english word, it is also a french word.
L449[08:48:28] <Sandra> yep.
L450[08:48:37] <Vexatos> things like
Calibri
L451[08:48:40] <Sulljason> Vexatos: Ya I
figured that out.
L452[08:48:53] *
Sulljason runs to the Oxford dictionary
L453[08:49:05] <DeanIsaKitty> Sulljason:
Is british english english for you? If yes: "sans - prep.
(literary or humorous) without.
L454[08:49:07] <DeanIsaKitty> "
L455[08:49:22] <DeanIsaKitty> Oxford
Advanced Learners Dictionary. :P
L456[08:49:34] <Sulljason> Ok it is part
of English
L457[08:49:46] <Sulljason> But being
French still doesn't garentee it's English lol
L458[08:49:54] <DeanIsaKitty> Nobody said
that :P
L459[08:49:56] <Izaya> I wonder if there's
an American dictionary, considering they use mangled english
L460[08:50:06] <Sulljason> You guys kinda
did maybe.
L461[08:50:17] <Sulljason> Rlly we just
didn't agree on the conditions of the argument :3
L462[08:50:20] <DeanIsaKitty> Izaya: Yes,
there is. There are even AE<->BE dictionaries. :|
L463[08:50:21] <Lizzy> Izaya, it's called
English Simplified
L464[08:50:24] <Sulljason> so we started
arguing dif things
L465[08:50:36] <Izaya> English
Derpified
L466[08:50:51] <Sulljason> It's a cookie
not a biscuit!
L467[08:51:18] <Lizzy> biscuits are small,
cookies are large
L468[08:51:22] <Vexatos> Oxford dict has
both BE and AE
L470[08:51:27] <Sulljason> It's weird that
we'ld complete take a word from another word that we already had a
word for.
L471[08:51:30] <Izaya> cookies have
chocolate chips
L472[08:51:39] <Vexatos> In Germany you
mostly use Pons or the Oxford dictionary
L473[08:51:54] <Sandra> Sulljason, well
no.
L474[08:52:04] <Sandra> english has many
many synonyms.
L475[08:52:10] <Sandra> just look at a
thesaurus.
L476[08:52:17] <DeanIsaKitty>
s/english/every language/g
L477[08:52:18] <MichiBot> <Sandra>
every language has many many synonyms.
L478[08:52:22] <Sandra> yep.
L479[08:52:22] <Sulljason> Ik but ussualy
we Englishify the words uk more take influences then whole
words.
L480[08:52:32] <Sandra> well no.
L481[08:52:38] <Sulljason> ussually
:l
L482[08:52:39] <Vexatos> Only one language
has more words than English
L483[08:52:42] <Vexatos> And that's
Chinese
L484[08:52:43] <Sandra> quite a lot of
words are just taken directly.
L485[08:53:04] <Sulljason> I am saying
ussually I'm not a dayum lexogripher Q.Q
L486[08:53:18] <Sulljason> Or
linguist.
L487[08:53:33] <Sulljason> I was thinking
more on the lines of the ought words.
L488[08:53:41] <DeanIsaKitty> Vexatos:
Depends on your definition of "words". Because german
(and some other languages too) allow for building words, so they
have more or less an infinite amount ;P
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L490[08:53:58] <Vexatos> DeanIsaKitty,
words that you find in a dictionary
L491[08:54:13] <Vexatos> arbitrary
compound words that are gramatically valid but unused don't
count
L492[08:54:22] <DeanIsaKitty> Vexatos: You
will find "Antibabypille" in a dictionary, soo....
point=
L493[08:54:24] <DeanIsaKitty> *?
L494[08:54:30] <Vexatos> >_>
L495[08:54:33] <Sandra> oh god yeah,
german has too many compound words.
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L497[08:54:47] <Sandra> note: i don't know
german.
L498[08:54:50] <Vexatos>
Kuchengabelabschussrampenherstellungsmachinenbauingenieur.
L499[08:54:57] <Negi> German more like
words can take four lines ._.
L500[08:54:58] <DeanIsaKitty> Sandra:
German has no compound words, it has mostly rules on how to create
some. See above ^
L501[08:55:02] <Vexatos> Yes, that is one
word
L502[08:55:04] <Vexatos> and it is
valid
L503[08:55:05] *
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L504[08:55:08] <Sulljason> Ya think they
compound the adjectives on the nouns.
L505[08:55:09] *
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L506[08:55:10] <Sandra> mmm hmm.
L507[08:55:28] <Sandra> sounds welsh to
me.
L508[08:55:35] <Vexatos> It means
"pastry fork launch pad production machine construction
engineer"
L509[08:55:42] <Vexatos> P:
L510[08:56:00] <Vexatos> Or an engineer
for the construction of machines that produce launch pads for
pastry forks
L511[08:56:19] <Sandra> ...
L512[08:56:24] <Vexatos> Totally makes
sense
L513[08:56:29] <Sulljason> So a really
bored architect?
L514[08:56:29] <Vexatos> but it is
grammatically valid
L515[08:56:40] <Negi> There are some words
there that also exist in french woo
L516[08:56:40] <Vexatos> Sulljason, any
architect, pretty much
L517[08:56:58] <Vexatos> Some German words
exist in the English language, but not many
L518[08:57:16] <Vexatos> However, a
crapload of English words exist in the German language
L519[08:57:21] <Negi> I think I've seen
more french ones than german ones actually.
L520[08:57:23] <Vexatos> and Latin words
exist a lot in both
L521[08:57:27] <Vexatos> U:
L522[08:57:30] <Vexatos> Of course
>_>
L523[08:57:38] <Sulljason> Sandra: Why
does your trainer have grey hair?
L525[08:57:46] <MichiBot> Vexatos:
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L526[08:57:50] <Negi> There is however a
word in english that doesn't make any sense. :I
L527[08:57:51] <Vexatos> It's a good
one
L528[08:58:02] <Sandra> Sulljason, why
shouldn't she have grey hair?
L529[08:58:10] <Negi> Pineapple. :I
L530[08:58:15] <Sulljason> Sandra: She's
probably like 10?
L531[08:58:18] <Sandra> you can customize
your trainer in a lot of ways.
L532[08:58:24] <Sandra> she has dyed
hair.
L533[08:58:26] <Vexatos> Negi, just watch
the video :3
L534[08:58:44] <Sulljason> Do they even
make grey hair dye. o.0
L535[08:58:55] <Sandra> of course they
do.
L536[08:58:58] <DeanIsaKitty> Sulljason:
They make every colour hair dye.
L537[08:59:01] <Sulljason> I want to look
older said no woman ever.
L538[08:59:02] <Sandra> I've seen
teenagers with grey hair.
L539[08:59:14] *
Sulljason learned something.
L540[08:59:20] <DeanIsaKitty> Sulljason:
Grey hair looks really really awesome on some people.
L541[08:59:38] *
Lizzy wants blue hair
L542[08:59:47] <DeanIsaKitty> Lizzy should
get blue hair :P
L543[08:59:54] <Sandra> there's a guy who
just walked past me ingame with an epic grey beard.
L544[08:59:56] *
Sulljason would TOTALLY look great with purple hair.
L545[08:59:58] <Sandra> :P
L546[09:00:24] <Vexatos> DeanIsaKitty,
gray*
L547[09:00:24] <Vexatos> :3
L548[09:00:26] *
Sandra also wants purple hair.
L549[09:00:29] *
Sulljason is a pastey white Irish boy so he would actually look
terrible with an unnatural hair color.
L550[09:00:39] <DeanIsaKitty> Vexatos:
gray and color or grey and colour.
L551[09:00:40] <Sulljason> Both spellings
are right.
L552[09:00:46] <Vexatos> noooo
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L554[09:00:51] <Vexatos> ;_;
L555[09:00:54] <Lizzy> Vexatos, Gray is
American, Grey is English
L556[09:00:59] <DeanIsaKitty> Vexatos:
grAy in America, grEy in actual English :PO
L557[09:01:05] <Vexatos> Yep
L558[09:01:20] <Sulljason> GRAY in the
countery with the world dominating currency. :3
L559[09:01:21] <Vexatos> I just like to
confuse people >_>
L560[09:01:37] <Sandra> I remember the old
days of this where all you could do was pick between red and leaf
and choose a colour scheme.
L561[09:01:43] <Sulljason> Well not world
dominating if we keep our financial habits up...
L562[09:01:43] <Negi> But aren't gray and
grey two different shades ? ._.
L563[09:01:53] <Vexatos> Negi pls
L564[09:02:05] *
Vexatos hides
L565[09:02:13] <Lizzy> Negi, how many
shades? 50?
L566[09:02:16] <DeanIsaKitty> Sulljason:
Loose billions and billions of dollars in projects you don't need?
Yeah, america's quite good at that.
L567[09:02:21] <Negi> Lizzy: No D:
L568[09:02:24] *
Negi runs
L569[09:02:30] <Sulljason> DeanIsaKitty:
Lose*
L571[09:02:44] <Sulljason> Negi:
"Gray and grey are different spellings of the same word, and
both are used throughout the English-speaking world. But gray is
more common in American English, while grey is more common in all
the other main varieties of English."
L572[09:03:26] <Sulljason> DeanIsaKitty:
Yep richest countery on the planet with starving people it's
fantastic...
L573[09:03:55] <DeanIsaKitty> Sulljason:
Richest country? When did we start to talk about china??
L574[09:04:05] <Sulljason> They're
second...
L575[09:04:09] <Sulljason> For now.
L576[09:04:20] <Izaya> give it 5
years
L577[09:04:25] <DeanIsaKitty> How many
trillions do you owe then again? :P
L578[09:04:28] <Negi> They'll get
third.
L579[09:04:30] <DeanIsaKitty> *them
L580[09:04:44] <Sulljason> DeanIsaKitty:
Ya alot of that debt is actually to ourselves.
L582[09:04:51] <Sulljason> fuck off
bot..
L583[09:04:58] <DeanIsaKitty> Fuck off
Sulljason :P
L584[09:04:59] <Lizzy> Sulljason, a lot
*
L585[09:04:59] <Negi> Yay for
MichiBot.
L586[09:05:08] <Sulljason> Ik Lizzy
L587[09:05:43] <Sulljason> DeanIsaKitty:
But yes we do owe quite a bit of it to China, but China has its own
wealth desperity issues as well.
L588[09:06:21] <Sulljason> I'm scared of
the Chinese government not the Chinese people.
L589[09:06:21] <Negi> The whole world owes
to everyone else.
L590[09:06:26] <Sulljason> ^
L591[09:06:49] <Sulljason> It's economics
so it gets weird and ethemoral really fast.
L592[09:07:09] <Sulljason> Am I on a spell
roll or did my spell check turn off...
L593[09:08:41] <Sulljason> Auto spell
check is on I guess it's just failing at it's job.
L594[09:09:27] <Sulljason> Sangar: How is
Germany's economy doing?
L595[09:10:39] <DeanIsaKitty> Not snagar
but Germany's economy is doing reasonable well, compared to europe
at least. But our politicans are ruining everything again. And the
BND sends industry secrets to the NSA :P
L596[09:14:11] <Sulljason> Woo for the
50th time Ubuntu won't compile the graphics driver package they
provide for their own kernel...
L597[09:14:46] <Vexatos> Sulljason, I had
that once, turned out the update was placing a malformed
symlink
L598[09:15:36] <Sulljason> Vexatos: Ik you
can fix it just don't want to. :/
L599[09:15:54] <Vexatos> what+
L600[09:17:30] <Negi> ._.
L601[09:17:47] <Sulljason> reconfiguring
package...
L602[09:19:06] <Sulljason> Adding module
to the initial ramfs :D
L603[09:19:11] <Sulljason> Yay rebuild
worked.
L604[09:19:28] <Sulljason> Why it doesn't
when you install their kernels idk -.-
L605[09:19:51] <Sulljason> Brb new
kernel.
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L608[09:21:11] <Sulljason> And I'm bk
:D
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L610[09:29:49] <Sulljason> No one waves to
me when I join. :(
L611[09:32:26] <Negi> Because you just
left >_<
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L613[09:34:11] <Sulljason> When I join
other times lol
L614[09:34:27] <Sulljason> We should make
michibot wave at people.
L615[09:34:45] <Lizzy> no we should leave
her be
L616[09:35:23] <Sulljason> :(
L617[09:35:30] <Magik6k> ~w filesystem
proxy
L619[09:36:07] <Sulljason> Sangar: If I
made a smart bot that waves at regulars when they join could I add
it?
L620[09:36:25] <gamax92> why regulars
...
L621[09:36:31] <Sulljason> Hm true
L622[09:36:52] <Sulljason> Make everyone
feel included. :D
L623[09:37:06] <Vexatos> Please no
L624[09:37:09] <Sulljason> But make it
track join and leave times so it doesn't become spammy.
L625[09:37:09] <gamax92> no
L627[09:37:10] <MichiBot> EnderBot2:
Monty Python - Spam | length
3m 20s | Likes:
27505 Dislikes:
669 Views:
6591296 | by zumpzump
L628[09:37:17] <Vexatos> please
don't
L629[09:37:20] <Vexatos> just don't
L630[09:37:20] <Magik6k> ~w random
L632[09:37:33] <Lizzy> no waving
bots
L633[09:37:36] <Vexatos> Good
L634[09:37:43] <Sulljason> It wouldn't be
spammy and would be friendly...
L635[09:37:51] <Lizzy> no waving
bots.
L636[09:38:01] <Sulljason> Can you give me
a real reason?
L637[09:38:14] <Lizzy> because it'll be
spammy and not needed
L638[09:38:34] <Sulljason> And enderbot
isnt?
L639[09:38:51] <Sulljason> Michibot spams
a link to a picture mocking spelling.
L640[09:39:05] <Katie> Seriously why would
you want an automated greeting...? It's meaning less for a bot to
welcome you...
L641[09:39:16] <Katie> s/meaning
less/meaningless/
L642[09:39:17] <MichiBot> <Katie>
Seriously why would you want an automated greeting...? It's
meaningless for a bot to welcome you...
L643[09:39:56] <Sulljason> It greeting it
in a human way would anthropramorphise it a bit. And make it cute
and friendly.
L644[09:40:12] <Lizzy> No waving bots. End
of discussion
L645[09:40:20] <Sulljason> But yes I agree
being a dumb greater would be no bueno.
L646[09:41:02] <Sulljason> Least I follow
the rules and asked. :/
L647[09:41:09] <Sulljason> followed*
L648[09:41:49] <gamax92> Waving bots just
annoy people who are used to being here and confuse new people into
trying to ask the bot for help.
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L650[09:45:06] <Katie> ¬_¬
L651[09:45:46] <Magik6k> yay, I have
working /dev/null, /dev/zero and /dev/random
L652[09:45:47] <Sangar> allright, i need
someone to test assembling and disassembling in the latest dev
build :P did a bit of a rewrite of the imc message generation
(moved some of that to the api). i think i tested everything but...
you know.
L653[09:46:17] <Sangar> Magik6k, nice
:>
L654[09:46:28] <gamax92> Sangar: I can try
decompiling OC and seeing how "well" Procyon handles
it
L655[09:46:49] <Sangar> prowho?
L656[09:46:51] <Magik6k> I need to make
driver for tapes so dd if=song.dfpwm of=/dev/tape0 will be possible
:3
L657[09:47:04] <gamax92> Sangar: D:<
You don't know of the Procyon Decompiler?
L658[09:47:17] <Negi> Magik6k: Working on
a devfs ?
L659[09:47:28] <Magik6k> Negi, yep, but
for my os
L660[09:47:41] <Sangar> gamax92, i saw the
name mentioned here somewhen ago, but didn't know what it was, no
>_>
L661[09:47:59] <gamax92> dd if=/dev/random
of=/dev/tape0
L662[09:48:12] <dangranos> ugh
L663[09:48:23] <Magik6k> gamax92, I HAVE
TO MAKE THAT DRIVER NAU!!
L664[09:48:29] <dangranos> whe the hell
motion sensor has that blue texture on top but it doesnt detect on
top?
L665[09:48:30] <gamax92> XD
L666[09:49:06] <Sangar> huh, ugh has the
same letters as hug [/captain obvious remark of the day]
L667[09:49:28] <Sangar> it should detect
upwards, too
L668[09:49:42] <gamax92> Sangar: but yes,
Procyon is a Java Decompiler
L669[09:49:51] <dangranos> ...
L670[09:49:51] <gamax92> OC is mostly
Scala
L671[09:49:57] <dangranos> why the hell it
doesnt?
L672[09:50:30] <Sangar> dunno? it only
checks every half second, so if you test by jumping it might simply
not pick that up because it happens inbetween measurements
L673[09:50:39] <Magik6k> well, I have to
go for now, later today I'll work on that driver
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L677[10:02:56] <Kubuxu> ~w exit
L679[10:03:53] <Vexatos> <
Magik6k>
I need to make driver for
tapes
L680[10:03:54] <Vexatos> Hahaha
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L682[10:04:08] <Vexatos> Make sure
Computronics' built-in tape program works :P
L683[10:04:45] <gamax92> Vexatos: shush
you, its essentially the exact same thing as my tapefs except not
avoiding OpenOS stupidity
L684[10:05:03] <Vexatos> tapefs
exists?
L685[10:05:21] <gamax92> all it does it
make a filesystem with a file called data.raw
L686[10:05:33] <Vexatos> ooooh
L687[10:06:58] <Negi> We need tapefs both
ways ._.
L688[10:07:11] <gamax92> Negi: what is
both?
L689[10:07:44] <Negi> Access the raw data
as a file, what you've done basically. And have a FS stored on a
tape.
L690[10:07:47] <Negi> Oh wait
L691[10:07:50] <Negi> That's tar.
L692[10:07:51] <gamax92> so, tapefs and
msdosfs
L693[10:07:57] <gamax92> or tar
L694[10:08:54] <gamax92> one of these days
maybe I'll finish working on msdosfs
L695[10:10:40] <gamax92> i need to make
sure both work still :P
L696[10:12:04] <Negi> Argh but WHY.
L697[10:12:15] <gamax92> Negi: why
what?
L698[10:12:17] <Negi> The minimum length
for searches should be three, not four T_T
L699[10:12:34] <gamax92> what?
L700[10:16:15] <Negi> On the forums.
L701[10:16:33] <gamax92> Negi make
sense
L702[10:16:34] <Negi> You can't search
stuff like "dns" or "tar" because the minimum
length for searchs is 4 characters.
L703[10:16:46] <Negi> searches*
L704[10:16:46] <gamax92> You're not making
sense
L705[10:16:51] *
gamax92 slaps Negi
L706[10:16:51] *
EnderBot2 high-fives gamax92
L707[10:16:52] <gamax92> SNAP OUT OF
IT
L708[10:17:32] <Negi> No. :I
L709[10:17:59] <Negi> I won't make sense
until that torrent has finished downloading.
L710[10:18:14] <gamax92> whatchu
downloadin
L711[10:18:35] <Negi> Ubuntu.
L712[10:18:41] <Negi> I need it to compile
sth.
L713[10:18:50] <gamax92> okay
L714[10:25:39] <PotatoTrumpet> Hallo
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L717[10:33:00] <PotatoTrumpet> Bleh
L718[10:33:03] <PotatoTrumpet> My throat
hurts
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L721[10:34:11] <PotatoTrumpet> Hmm
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L723[10:42:07] <CompanionCube>
PotatoTrumpet, fail
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L725[10:47:47] <PotatoTrumpet> Hmm
L726[10:48:00] *
PotatoTrumpet slaps CompanionCube and takes him to a dark
corner
L727[10:48:01] *
EnderBot2 chuckles
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L734[11:24:38] <PotatoTrumpet> %p
L735[11:25:30] <Katie> %p
L736[11:25:32] <MichiBot> Ping reply from
Katie 0.47s
L737[11:25:33] <MichiBot> Ping reply from
Katie 0.62s
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L741[11:44:32] <Roguexy> I'm looking for a
way to decrease the input lag on OC' computers. I have OC and CC
installed on my server and CC computers have a slightly lower input
lag than OC ones. I'm looking at callBudgets and executionDelay in
the config, but I don't really get what they do in specific. Could
one of them have an impact on the input lag?
L742[11:44:52] <Kodos> Vexatos, what's
goin on with your console logs? Why would they be offensive?
L743[11:44:58] <Vexatos> Kodos, no
clue
L744[11:45:01] <Vexatos> but I changed it
>_>
L745[11:45:04] <Vexatos> blame
Cloudy
L746[11:45:06] <Kodos> What was it
before
L747[11:45:14] <Vexatos> Just a
gimmick
L748[11:45:35] <Vexatos> Roguexy, you'd
need to ask Sangar
L749[11:51:33] <Roguexy> Vexatos, Should I
pm him?
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L751[11:51:46] <Vexatos> I don't think
so
L752[11:51:50] <Vexatos> he'll read it in
here some time
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L754[11:53:07] <gamax92> Hey Gopher
L755[11:53:43] <Gopher> hi, gamax92
L756[11:54:29] <PotatoTrumpet> Hey
________
L757[12:00:36] <nxsupert> o/
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L760[12:12:44] <VERSION> .openp
L762[12:12:47] <VERSION> .openprg
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L767[12:40:25] <nxsupert> o/
L768[12:40:50] <nxsupert> I really need a
client that doesn't disconnect every time my computer goes to
sleep.
L769[12:41:12] <LewsTherin> nxsupert, get
a bouncer?
L770[12:41:21] <LewsTherin> ZNC's widely
liked.
L771[12:41:29] <Lizzy> ^ I don't mind
giving you an account on mine
L772[12:41:38] <nxsupert> Bouncer?
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L774[12:42:16] <LewsTherin> nxsupert, it's
a go-between for your computer
L775[12:42:17] <Katie> It's a client that
sits between you and the server, it connects to the server, you
connect to it
L776[12:42:23] <LewsTherin> Yep
L777[12:42:29] <Katie> So it stays
connected, even if you disconnect.
L778[12:42:30] <nxsupert> Oh. So sort of a
proxy?
L779[12:42:39] <Katie> Sorta, yes
L780[12:42:44] <LewsTherin> You can even
connect multiple clients to it, and still only show up as one
nick.
L781[12:42:49] <Katie> Lizzy, runs one, so
do I and we're both willing to give you an account
L782[12:43:04] <LewsTherin> I run one too,
but am at my connection limit, unfortunately.
L783[12:43:04] <Katie> Yeah I run 2-6
clients at any time, all as this nick
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L785[12:43:15]
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L786[12:43:31] <nxsupert> Hmm. Do you
mind?
L787[12:43:55] <Lizzy> .-. some fucktard
NPC just rammed my car
L788[12:44:01] <LewsTherin> lol
L789[12:44:42] ***
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L790[12:45:22] <Negi> nxsupert: If they're
offering you an account, they probably don't. :v
L791[12:45:31] <Lizzy> nxsupert: where
abouts you located geographically?
L792[12:45:32] <Katie> nxsupert, nxsupert_
will be here soon :P
L793[12:45:43] <nxsupert> UK.
L794[12:45:53] <Katie> Lizzy, might be
better then.. heh
L795[12:46:03] <Lizzy> well, Katie's ones
are US based, mine are UK
L796[12:46:24] <Lizzy> lemme tab out of
GTA so i can set you up an account (if you want it, that is)
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L798[12:46:46] <nxsupert> Where is Esper
based?
L799[12:46:51] <Katie> All over..
L800[12:46:56] <nxsupert> Ok.
L801[12:46:59] <Katie> they have US and UK
servers.
L803[12:47:16] <gamax92> Katie: We need to
setup a server on the moon
L804[12:47:18] <nxsupert> Can I have one
then Lizzy?
L805[12:47:23] <Lizzy> nxsupert,
sure
L806[12:47:29] <nxsupert> Thanks :D
L807[12:47:33] <Katie> nxsupert_ is in
Canada.. heh
L808[12:48:04] <Katie> I'll go ahead and
nuke the user I setup
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L811[12:48:14] <Lizzy> might help if i
spelt the domain right .-.
L812[12:48:57] <Negi> gamax92: Already in
progress
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L815[12:50:10] <Sangar> Roguexy, unless
you're already on t3 everything, try that first, because speeds
vary between tiers, which is by design. if you already are, that's
probably due to all of the actual input handling being lua-side in
oc (including the cursor blinking). you could try writing a more
efficient shell/term (fewer accesses to component methods), but
aside from that i'm not sure there's much that can be done
L816[12:50:19] <Lizzy> suddenly
Sangar
L817[12:50:42] <Sangar> i happen
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L825[13:00:03] <nxsupert_> testing
L826[13:00:25] <Lizzy> \o/
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L828[13:01:19] <nxsupert_> well.
L829[13:01:28] <nxsupert_> it seems to
work.
L830[13:01:33] <Lizzy> indeed
L831[13:02:48] <nxsupert_> Now.
L832[13:03:00] <nxsupert_> Back to what I
was doing.
L833[13:04:56] <nxsupert_> Has anyone here
ever done bare metal programming?
L834[13:05:30] <SuPeRMiNoR2> So
metal
L835[13:05:39] <DeanIsaKitty> nxsupert_:
Depends on how you define it.
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L837[13:06:24] <nxsupert_> Making program
that runs on a computer with no operating system.
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L839[13:06:50] <DeanIsaKitty> Do
system-on-a-chip count? If yes, yes if no still yes. :P
L840[13:06:55] <clever> depends on what
you define as 'computer', i have use AVR's heavily
L841[13:07:12] <nxsupert_> A raspberry
pi
L842[13:07:29] <clever> i have also looked
at the baremetal pi examples, and studied how the boot process
works
L843[13:07:45] <SuPeRMiNoR2> DeanIsaKitty:
is that even english?
L844[13:08:03] <DeanIsaKitty> SuPeRMiNoR2:
I don't think so. Not like I care anyway :P
L845[13:08:38] <LewsTherin> SuPeRMiNoR2,
made sense to me...
L846[13:10:10] <DeanIsaKitty> SuPeRMiNoR2:
"Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo
buffalo" is valid english though.
L847[13:11:21] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Will smith
will smith is too
L848[13:11:40] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Will will
smith smith
L849[13:11:45] <clever> DeanIsaKitty:
japanese also has similar words that can be used oddly
L850[13:11:47] <clever> The phrase
"hashi no hashi no hashi", "chopsticks on the edge
of the bridge", has each "hashi" with a different
intonation pattern, and the pattern changes between Tokyo and Osaka
accents, for instance.
L851[13:14:55] <DeanIsaKitty> clever:
Chinese has "mā má mǎ mà ma" - "Mom is bothered by
the horse's scolding - yes?"
L852[13:17:27] <clever> heh
L853[13:38:13] <Roguexy> Sangar, Thanks
for the answer. I'm already on t3 though
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L859[13:58:30] <Heartstrings> nxsupert_:
little bit.
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L873[15:19:55] <MajGenRelativity>
hello
L874[15:20:23] <MajGenRelativity> I want a
network protocol that can send AND receive messages at the same
time
L875[15:20:34] <MajGenRelativity> what
would be the easiest way to do that?
L876[15:21:34] <Temia>
...coroutines?
L877[15:23:31] <MajGenRelativity> Ok
L878[15:23:39] <MajGenRelativity> I'll
have to look into those
L879[15:23:46] <MajGenRelativity> can 2
run at the same time?
L880[15:28:11] <VERSION> .restart
L881[15:29:36] <MajGenRelativity> ?
L882[15:31:00] <VERSION> nothing
L883[15:31:06] <VERSION> just restarting
^v
L884[15:31:21] <MajGenRelativity> ok
L885[15:31:33] <VERSION> MajGenRelativity,
you simply have to design it event-based
L886[15:31:36] <Temia> Well, technically,
no, because lua isn't multithreaded. But you can have one coroutine
waiting for a message while another transmits, easily.
L887[15:31:42] <VERSION> you dont have to
use coroutines
L888[15:32:08] <VERSION> ie, create an
event hook when a message is received
L889[15:32:27] <VERSION> that will run in
the "background"
L890[15:32:38] <MajGenRelativity> ?
L891[15:32:48] <VERSION> .w events
L893[15:33:16] <PotatoTrumpet>
.restart
L894[15:33:18] <PotatoTrumpet> .die
L895[15:33:21] <PotatoTrumpet>
.explode
L896[15:33:29] <Katie> ¬_¬
L897[15:33:32] <PotatoTrumpet>
.eatacake\
L898[15:33:43] <PotatoTrumpet> .w
Kkk
L899[15:33:43] <^v> PotatoTrumpet, Not
found. did you want "redstone in motion component"?
L900[15:33:47] <PotatoTrumpet> no
L901[15:33:53] <PotatoTrumpet> .w
Waffle
L902[15:33:53] <^v> PotatoTrumpet, Not
found. did you want "table api"?
L903[15:34:01] <PotatoTrumpet> ~w
Cake
L905[15:34:28] <nxsupert_> .w
supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
L906[15:34:34] <^v> nxsupert_, Not found.
did you want "serialization"?
L907[15:34:45] <MajGenRelativity>
whut
L908[15:34:52] <nxsupert_> ha.
L909[15:34:57] <MajGenRelativity> my brain
is struggling to understand event tihngies
L910[15:36:01] <VERSION> MajGenRelativity,
the function you give event.listen will be called whenever the even
you give it happens
L911[15:36:22] <VERSION> so you can send
and stuff without having to worry about receiving
L912[15:36:29] <nxsupert_> I wonder if we
could get a Tier 4 CPU that allows multithreading?
L913[15:36:32] <VERSION> because the
function does that automatically
L914[15:36:40] <MajGenRelativity> so, i
just stick that in a while true do loop, and it will run forever
while the rest of my program does its thing?
L915[15:36:58] <VERSION> dont put it in a
loop
L916[15:37:04] <MajGenRelativity> :
L917[15:37:14] <MajGenRelativity> I want
to be able to receive multiple times
L918[15:37:21] <MajGenRelativity> and send
at the same time
L919[15:37:24] <VERSION> it will receive
multiple times
L920[15:37:33] <MajGenRelativity>
ok.....
L921[15:37:56] <VERSION> the function you
give event.listen will be called multiple times
L922[15:38:02] <VERSION> nxsupert_, lua
doesnt support multithreading
L923[15:39:36] <nxsupert_> Not on its own.
But I am pretty sure I read somewhere it was possible to write some
c code to add it.
L924[15:41:20] <VERSION> no
L925[15:42:05] <VERSION> unless you want
to code ~1000 lines of C to add all the mutexes
L926[15:42:34] <nxsupert_> Oh. Good
point.
L927[15:42:41] <Kodos> Let's be honest,
there's probably someone out there willing to
L929[15:44:43] <DeanIsaKitty> bookmarked'
0.0
L930[15:46:51] <PotatoTrumpet> ~f
L931[15:46:55] <PotatoTrumpet> hmm
L932[15:47:03] <PotatoTrumpet> is there a
forum search thing yet
L933[15:47:23] <MajGenRelativity> can
somebody take a look at this, and point out my stupid mistakes
please?
L935[15:47:30] <VERSION> nxsupert_, thats
not threading like you would want
L936[15:47:41] <VERSION> its basically
just creating a seperate computer
L937[15:47:58] <nxsupert_> Oh.
L938[15:48:16] <PotatoTrumpet> are you
calling the function MajGenRelativity
L939[15:48:37] <PotatoTrumpet> and I don't
think you need the "receive"
L940[15:48:44] <PotatoTrumpet> iirc
L942[15:48:58] <VERSION> you probably want
something like that
L943[15:49:00] <MajGenRelativity> I
thought the event thingy called the function automatically
L944[15:49:24] <MajGenRelativity> that
looks like it works
L945[15:49:41] <VERSION> the functions
name in a string isnt a reference to the function
L946[15:52:54] <MajGenRelativity> it
works!
L947[15:53:22] <MajGenRelativity> is there
any way to lock the console from doing other things while the
program runs?
L948[15:54:31] <MajGenRelativity> wait,
hold off on working that out
L949[15:54:49] <MajGenRelativity> It's
half a program, so I'm going to postpone that question until I do
the other half :P
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L951[15:59:24] <PotatoTrumpet> Hi
TabletCube
L952[15:59:58] <TabletCube> Hi
L953[16:00:10] <nxsupert_> o/
L954[16:00:18] <Inari> can drone
atack?
L955[16:00:29] <jota> i think so
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L958[16:06:35] <Temia> Jury's out on
whether drone can self-destruct, obv.
L959[16:06:57] <MajGenRelativity> Guys,
thanks for your help, I finally made a working network chat
thing
L960[16:07:07] <MajGenRelativity> It will
be the basis for my network protocols!
L961[16:07:13] <Temia> \o/
L962[16:07:55] <Temia> Maybe you'll usher
a mature enough network protocol that mass adoption will
occur!
L963[16:09:22] <nxsupert_> I have just
come up with a cool idea.
L964[16:12:42] <nxsupert_> Currently i am
trying to build a very basic os for a raspberry pi. I could
probably integrate lua into it and have an opencomputer computer
irl.
L965[16:13:24] <Altenius> What
architecture is that nxsupert_?
L966[16:13:28] <jota> cool idea :o!
L967[16:13:32] <jota> arm7 i think
:o
L968[16:13:36] <nxsupert_> Arm7
L969[16:13:38] <jota> or arm6
L970[16:13:57] <jota> with hardware float
calculation
L971[16:14:24] <jota> will it be open
source? :o
L972[16:14:36] <nxsupert_> Probably.
L974[16:17:55] <jota> you have *.o in
there :o
L975[16:18:01] <nxsupert_> Currently
implementing Memory Managment.
L976[16:18:12] <jota> shouldn't you git
ignore it?
L977[16:18:35] <nxsupert_> I have.
L978[16:18:48] <nxsupert_> idk why they
are still there.
L979[16:19:29] <jota> maybe because they
got added in a previous commit? O.o
L980[16:19:51] <jota> yup
L981[16:20:07] <jota> you first added the
*.h , *.cpp and the *.o
L982[16:20:44] <jota> then you added the
.gitignore
L983[16:22:00] <nxsupert_> I'm pretty
impressed with what i have managed so far.
L984[16:22:42] <nxsupert_> However , There
is one thing I am dreading trying to implement.
L985[16:22:52] <jota> i might also help
:D
L986[16:22:58] <jota> (if i have time
...)
L987[16:23:18] <nxsupert_> Know anything
about the USB standard?
L988[16:23:32] <jota> only the hardware
implementation
L989[16:24:04] <jota> other than that i am
not much of a help
L990[16:25:48] <nxsupert_> Umm. All I know
about is the + , - , D+ and D-.
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L992[16:26:07] <jota> *searching in the
linux kernal implementation*
L994[16:26:52] <jota> might help a bit
o-o
L995[16:27:07] <nxsupert_> Thats a rather
massive implementation.
L996[16:27:35] <jota> well, an os needs to
have a kernel behind
L997[16:28:00] <jota> i bet you will use
an existing one, or maybe you will be the next linus trovoldis
:P
L998[16:28:17] <nxsupert_> Na.
L999[16:28:29] <jota> no to both? :o
L1000[16:28:56] <nxsupert_> I will
probably use some existing source code.
L1001[16:29:27] <jota> i wonder if there
is a bit of assembly here >.>
L1002[16:29:40] <nxsupert_> But I
probably need to implement memory management and interrupts
first.
L1003[16:29:59] <nxsupert_> I have
already wrote a tiny bit of assembly.
L1004[16:30:05] <Katie> %p
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L1009[16:30:18] <Katie> \o/
L1010[16:30:25] <nxsupert_> .globl
_start
L1011[16:30:25] <nxsupert_> _start:
L1012[16:30:25] <nxsupert_> mov
sp,#0x8000
L1013[16:30:27] <nxsupert_> bl
os_start
L1014[16:30:45] <clever> nxsupert_: i
think you should start with virtual memory, interupts, and
processes
L1015[16:30:45] <jota> i enjoyed
assembly, but takes time, also, you should avoid using it the most
you can :o
L1016[16:31:11] <nxsupert_> I'm not going
to use virtual memory. just flat memory.
L1017[16:31:26] <clever> VM is usefull to
make processes much simpler
L1018[16:31:35] <clever> so they wont
conflict with eachother
L1019[16:31:42] <nxsupert_> Hmm.
L1020[16:31:51] <jota> yea ... specialy
because of the GLOBAL variables :x!
L1021[16:32:11] <clever> and youll need
interupts and a timer interupt to implement timeslicing and context
switching fairly
L1022[16:32:14] <clever> so everything
gets its share of the cpu power
L1023[16:32:35] <jota> you have a kernel
image in the repo :o
L1024[16:32:53] <nxsupert_> I will need
to dig into the RPi specification to implement vm.
L1025[16:33:11] <clever> i believe its
the same as any arm chip
L1026[16:33:13] <clever> and i think some
of the baremetal examples demo it
L1028[16:33:51] <clever> brb
L1029[16:34:13] <nxsupert_> Currently the
sleep function just falls back onto a while loop.
L1030[16:34:39] <jota> that is ... a bit
power hungry :o
L1031[16:35:14] <nxsupert_> Well at the
moment there is not much else I have that my OS can do.
L1032[16:35:22] <jota> (i think windows
xp did something like that, cpu always at 100% .. or was it the 98?
....)
L1033[16:36:11] <clever> nxsupert_: as
for memory management, i'm thinking you should parse the
device-tree data, and generate a list of free pages of ram
L1034[16:36:11] <nxsupert_> The first
thing I wanted my OS to do is interact with the gpio.
L1035[16:36:19] <clever> then exclude any
pages holding the kernel and its globals
L1036[16:36:30] <clever> and then
allocate those pages to processes as you spawn them
L1037[16:36:34] <nxsupert_> You have lost
me there clever.
L1038[16:36:46] <clever> lost you on
which step?
L1039[16:37:05] <nxsupert_> The first
one.
L1040[16:37:08] <clever> lol
L1041[16:37:20] *
jota is happy, i understod all
L1043[16:37:43] <clever> nxsupert_: this
example is using atags instead of DT, let me see where the DT
example went
L1044[16:38:03] <nxsupert_> I know a bit
about atags.
L1045[16:38:31] <clever> device tree is
the better choice
L1048[16:39:26] <clever> this is the core
entry point of linux
L1050[16:40:31] <clever> nxsupert_: and
this is the function where it actualy runs /bin/init as pid 1
L1051[16:42:10] <jota> wouldn't it be
easyer to start with the raspberry pi kernel? And build it from
there?
L1052[16:42:22] <jota> or is it a blind
assumption
L1053[16:42:39] <clever> yeah, i consider
baremetal only usefull if you want it to boot in under a second, or
if you want to learn things
L1054[16:42:54] <jota> the second one
sounds more fun :o
L1055[16:42:54] <clever> if you want
something usable, just take linux and build your own rootfs
L1056[16:43:25] <jota> you know much
about linux, don't you?
L1057[16:43:43] <clever> yeah, i often
read the source in my spare time
L1058[16:44:23] <nxsupert_> Originally
what I wanted to do was make the OK led come on , then i wanted to
talk to the hole GPIO , then I wanted to talk to an lcd display ,
then I wanted to look into memory managment.
L1059[16:44:28] <jota> i usually find it
a bit hard o-.o
L1060[16:44:30] <jota> *o-o
L1062[16:44:52] <jota> make up your
mind
L1063[16:45:11] <nxsupert_> I sort of
understand the theory behind an mmu. But not behind memory
managment.
L1064[16:45:13] <clever> here is the
thread on boot times, a custom bootcode.bin can get your code
running ~234ms after power on
L1065[16:45:45] <clever> but if your
using bootcode.bin, your limited to 128kb of ram, no more
L1066[16:46:34] <jota> spectrum era
memory!, per application or all?
L1067[16:46:39] <clever> total
L1068[16:46:53] <clever> bootcode.bin is
loaded into the L2 cache on the cpu and just ran from that
L1069[16:47:08] <jota> !crap o-o
L1070[16:47:11] <clever> its job is to
initialize the dram and load+run start.elf
L1071[16:47:24] <jota> i remenber reading
something about it :o!
L1072[16:47:29] <clever> basicaly, the
rom on the die is generic, and has no clue what kind of ram you
have installed
L1073[16:47:41] <clever> so you must
configure that from bootcode.bin, stored in external flash
L1074[16:47:54] <clever> which makes it
easy to re-configure
L1075[16:48:44] <clever> once
bootcode.bin has initialized the ram, it loads start.elf into ram,
and runs that on the dual-core VC4 cpu
L1076[16:49:17] <clever> start.elf then
loads kernel.img into ram, decides which 'half' of the ram is arm
and which is vc4, and powers up the arm
L1077[16:50:19] <jota> dual-core? .. i
think i am missing something
L1078[16:50:36] <clever> the VC4 gpu has
always been dual-core, on both the pi1 and pi2
L1079[16:50:40] <jota> oh!
L1080[16:50:42] <clever> but thats not
the core linux runs on
L1081[16:50:43] <jota> the gpu
L1082[16:50:44] <jota> nvm :P
L1083[16:50:46] <clever> yeah
L1084[16:50:53] <clever> thats where the
firmware runs
L1085[16:50:57] <clever> but you can
write your own firmware
L1086[16:51:03] <jota> i thoght that was
wierd o-o
L1087[16:51:25] <clever> there are 3-4
seperate arches in the pi, depending on how you count things
L1088[16:51:30] <jota> i think i will
start reading a bit more about linux too :o
L1089[16:51:34] <nxsupert_> It is kinda
weird. The CPU is almost secondary to the gpu.
L1090[16:51:44] <jota> after the boot, it
is primary
L1091[16:51:53] <clever> for the pi2, you
have a quad core armv7
L1092[16:51:56] <clever> a dual-core
vc4
L1093[16:52:11] <clever> and a 12 core
QPU running at i think 400mhz?
L1094[16:52:23] <jota> QPU=?
L1095[16:52:26] <clever> and all 12 of
those cores are designed to massively parallel
L1096[16:52:31] <clever> so its
essentialy a 128 core engine
L1097[16:52:39] <clever> QPU is for the
3d rendering
L1098[16:52:56] <jota> i really need to
study more o-o
L1099[16:53:00] <clever> let me double
check the figures, i think i have the number off a bit
L1100[16:53:11] <clever> i think its a
192 core processor
L1101[16:53:24] <jota> graphical
processor?
L1102[16:53:26] <clever> yeah
L1103[16:53:31] <clever> for the pixel
and vertex shaders
L1104[16:53:37] <jota> now makes sence
:o
L1105[16:54:10] <jota> may i ask, what
age, and academical level you have? :o
L1106[16:54:11] <clever> each core is
able to run a single program 4 times in paralell, each operating on
its own set of registers
L1107[16:54:22] <jota> cool :O!
L1108[16:54:24] <clever> so a single
shader will generate 4 pixels of output at once, on a single
QPU
L1109[16:54:45] <jota> *getting lost
here* ...
L1110[16:54:47] <clever> and each
instruction in that shader contains both an add and a multiply
operation, the pipeline is arranged to do both in parallel
L1111[16:55:09] <clever> so it can do
x=5+5 and y=5*5 in the same clock cycle
L1112[16:55:13] <clever> 4 times
L1113[16:56:00] <clever> and then 4 of
those units share an instruction decoder, and essentialy form a
self-contained 16 core processor, with large chunks of the silicon
shared
L1114[16:56:28] <clever> and if your
wondering, i'm a highschool dropout :P
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L1116[16:56:53] <nxsupert_> I study in a
Sixth Form.
L1117[16:57:11] <jota> and you are
teatching a finalist in univercity o-o !
L1118[16:57:42] <jota> Sixth Form
means?
L1119[16:57:50] <nxsupert_> Sort of a
college.
L1120[16:58:14] <nxsupert_> But highly
academic.
L1121[16:58:17] <clever> jota: ive
self-taught myself a wide range of subjects, i just get obsessed
with something and research it to death :P
L1122[16:58:37] <jota> 'death' good way
to put it :P
L1123[16:58:45] <nxsupert_> And sometimes
contained within a comprehensive school.
L1124[16:59:20] <jota> i don't understand
that last part
L1125[16:59:34] <nxsupert_> What
part?
L1126[16:59:43] <jota> comprehensive
school
L1127[17:00:08] <nxsupert_> Umm.
Secondary School / Hish school.
L1128[17:00:14] <nxsupert_> high*
L1129[17:00:36] <clever> if you just want
an OS to run something simple like open computers, hmmm, is every
program inside OC written in lua?
L1130[17:00:37] <jota> where i am we
don't have that destintion
L1131[17:00:50] <jota> yes
L1132[17:00:52] <jota> even the os
is
L1133[17:01:19] <nxsupert_> Not
everything.
L1134[17:01:22] <clever> so, could i just
staticly compile an lua interpreter to /bin/lua, and then
#!/bin/bash the OC ls program, and have it work on a real pc?
L1135[17:01:29] <jota> only the
implementation with the lua VM is c/c++ and the implementation with
the game is in scala
L1136[17:01:52] <jota> there is some
changed implementations...
L1137[17:02:15] <clever> where in the
source is the source of ls for example?
L1138[17:02:38] <jota> in
/bin/ls.lua
L1139[17:02:46] <clever> no bin folder in
the source
L1140[17:03:04] <nxsupert_> gtg
L1141[17:03:06] <jota> in the os
implementation
L1142[17:03:08] <jota> bye :o
L1144[17:03:14] <nxsupert_> Bye!
L1145[17:03:32] <clever> jota: which repo
is that?
L1146[17:03:46] <jota> wait a bit
L1147[17:03:49] <jota> it is that
one
L1149[17:04:15] <jota> that is the openOS
floppy :o
L1151[17:04:23] <clever> ah
L1152[17:04:37] <clever> first issue i
can see, none start with #!
L1153[17:04:44] <jota> yea :/
L1154[17:04:53] <clever> so you would
have to post-process the files
L1155[17:04:56] <jota> a simple script in
notepad++ at the rescue :P
L1156[17:05:11] <clever> next, did lua
always have require?
L1157[17:05:14] <clever> i havent seen
that used in lua before
L1158[17:05:20] <jota> in lua 5.2 +
L1159[17:05:22] <clever> ah
L1160[17:05:29] <clever> i'm used to
warcraft lua
L1161[17:05:39] <jota> world of
warcraft?
L1162[17:05:42] <clever> yeah
L1163[17:06:10] <clever> so where would
require("shell") search for the module?, does it get
registered at the c++ layer?
L1164[17:06:20] <jota> no
L1165[17:06:23] <jota> it is in the
os
L1166[17:06:26] <clever> ah, i see it,
lib/shell.lua
L1167[17:06:33] <clever> a lot like
nodejs
L1168[17:06:48] <clever> but in the end,
they must trace back to a c++ module
L1169[17:07:01] <clever> i dont see the
source for component yet
L1170[17:07:24] <jota> there is a file
with the list of places to search the librarys
L1171[17:07:25] <gamax92> uhh, require
wasn't added in 5.2 .-.
L1172[17:07:38] <gamax92> its atleast
present in 5.1 as well
L1173[17:07:46] <jota> i think i got that
mixed up, when was it added then? O.o
L1174[17:07:46] <gamax92> and 5.0
L1175[17:08:08] <jota> o_o ...
L1176[17:08:23] <jota> i need to start
reading the change logs more seriously ...
L1177[17:08:47] <gamax92> don't ask why i
have lua 5.0 installed :P
L1178[17:09:09] <jota> because you have
:P
L1179[17:09:11] <clever> and boot open
computers on a real system?
L1180[17:09:13] <clever> jota: so in
theory, i could add #!/bin/lua to everything in bin/, and then put
a slightly modified static lua build on the rootfs
L1181[17:09:38] <jota> i think so, btw
how i answer pms? :o
L1182[17:09:50] <clever> /msg otherperson
your msg goes here
L1183[17:09:59] <jota> thanks :o
L1184[17:10:22] <clever> user mode linux
is another tool that can help emulate the above idea, without
actualy needing real hardware
L1185[17:10:38] <clever> it lets you
'boot' the linux kernel as a normal linux app
L1186[17:11:00] <jota> o-o ... isn't that
used for virtualisation? O.o
L1187[17:11:13] <clever> similar, this
method doesnt use any virtual extensions
L1188[17:11:14] <LewsTherin> is there an
opencomputers emulator?
L1189[17:11:26] <jota> that i know, no
;-;
L1190[17:11:30] <LewsTherin> Dang
L1191[17:12:13] <Altenius> Eh, I was
working on one
L1192[17:12:30] <Altenius> It's really
sloppy, I need to rewrite it (again)
L1193[17:12:34] <jota> is it in a half
working state= :o
L1194[17:12:43] <Altenius> yeah
L1195[17:12:48] <gamax92> I have a very
basic one as well
L1196[17:12:53] <Altenius> It runs
L1197[17:12:58] <Altenius> You can't add
components yet
L1198[17:13:03] <gamax92> Altenius: lies
could not get it to boot anything at all
L1199[17:13:09] <LewsTherin> I mean,
specify the components, see what power would be needed, etc.
L1200[17:13:13] <Altenius> gamax92, when
did you try?
L1201[17:13:13] <gamax92> oh
L1202[17:13:30] <gamax92> i dunno a while
ago
L1203[17:13:45] <jota> side note, the
people in this channel are cool :P
L1204[17:14:06] <Altenius> Well, I'm
bored so I'll probably start rewriting it but proper this
time.
L1205[17:14:32] <jota> do note you need
the config file of openOs for energy needed :P
L1206[17:14:45] <LewsTherin> jota, let it
be providable
L1207[17:14:58] <LewsTherin> Altenius,
what is it written in?
L1208[17:15:02] <Altenius> C++
L1209[17:15:04] <LewsTherin> Ah
L1210[17:15:06] <Altenius> Using Qt
L1211[17:15:10] <LewsTherin> Can't help
there.
L1212[17:15:24] <LewsTherin> If you could
support actual block placements, that'd be cool too.
L1213[17:15:34] <Altenius> Just use
minecraft for that :P
L1214[17:15:35] <LewsTherin> IE, 3D
representation
L1215[17:15:38] <gamax92> LewsTherin:
hah
L1216[17:15:43] <LewsTherin> Eh, it takes
forever to boot up.
L1217[17:15:52] <jota> yea
L1218[17:16:05] <jota> and with the new
forge build 1403 it does not even boot :o
L1219[17:16:09] <gamax92> why do you need
block placement .-.
L1220[17:16:10] <Altenius> Well, I can't
find any good GUI libraries.
L1221[17:16:12] <gamax92> jota: then
downgrade forge
L1222[17:16:24] <gamax92> Altenius: SDL,
Allegro, wx, etc etc
L1223[17:16:40] <LewsTherin> gamax92, if
there's a way to load OC to do the work for you, then you could
have a testbed without needing MC at all.
L1224[17:16:52] <LewsTherin> OC would
need to probably become a library to support that tho.
L1225[17:17:10] <gamax92> LewsTherin: you
can run an OC computer without needing to emulate a 3d world
L1226[17:17:27] <LewsTherin> gamax92,
what do you mean?
L1227[17:17:35] <gamax92> you just
emulate the computer :P
L1228[17:17:49] <LewsTherin> Right, but I
mean add support for placing networking wires, etc.
L1229[17:17:55] <jota> you can use the
library OC uses direcly :D
L1230[17:18:10] <LewsTherin> IE, to the
point that if a bug happens in this emulator, you know it happens
ingame as well.
L1231[17:18:12] <gamax92> or, you have an
emulator config to network things together without emulating
networking wires
L1232[17:18:49] <jota> the issue is the
component network O.o ...
L1233[17:18:54] <jota> wireless
messages
L1234[17:19:05] <Altenius> I don't think
I'll be using SDL, I want something with menus and stuff
L1235[17:19:07] <jota> and complex robot
/ drone
L1236[17:19:27] <gamax92> Altenius: can
you combine SDL with GTK or wx
L1237[17:19:48] <jota> SDL is fun, btw is
there a warpper sdl2 to lua?
L1238[17:19:53] <gamax92> yes
L1239[17:20:03] <jota> sdl2?!
L1240[17:20:11] <jota> have a link?
:)
L1241[17:20:12] <gamax92> there are lua
bindings for sdl2 as well as an ffi interface for it
L1242[17:20:22] <jota> ffi interface
is?
L1243[17:20:29] <gamax92> luajit
stuff
L1244[17:20:41] <Altenius> GTKmm and SDL2
it is
L1246[17:21:28] <gamax92> former doesn't
need luajit or luaffi, the latter supports more things but needs
luajit or luaffi
L1247[17:22:47] <jota> cool :o
L1248[17:23:03] <jota> i searched for
this a while, not much luck o-o
L1249[17:23:06] <jota> many thanks
:D
L1250[17:23:43] <jota> well, good
night/day
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L1266[18:07:41] <Altenius> gamax92, do
you have a source on embedding SDL in GTK?
L1267[18:07:53] <gamax92> nope!
L1268[18:08:18] <gamax92> But it's been
done before, i know that since the NES emu i have does it
L1269[18:09:42] <Altenius> I think
there's one that uses an older version of GTK and SDL 1. I'll just
use cairo
L1270[18:10:10] <gamax92> .-.
L1271[18:10:45] <gamax92> oh, the emu
does use sdl 1
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L1273[18:12:32] <Magik6k> ~w
table.remove
L1275[18:13:03] <Magik6k> I wish I could
use selne at kernel level ;/
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L1277[18:22:15] <_G> #lua function
_BEST_HIDDEN_CRYPTO_FUNCTION(v) return v:gsub(".",
function(c) return tostring({})..c end) end
L1278[18:22:15] <|0xDEADBEEF|> >
nil
L1279[18:22:24] <_G> #lua
_BEST_HIDDEN_CRYPTO_FUNCTION("Hello!")
L1280[18:22:24] <|0xDEADBEEF|> >
table: 0x7f2710080e10Htable: 0x7f2710080f40etable:
0x7f2710081040ltable: 0x7f2710081140ltable: 0x7f2710081240otable:
0x7f2710081370! | 6
L1281[18:22:41] <_G> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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L1287[18:55:46] <_G> how get eeprom out
of microcontroller
L1288[18:57:00] <VERSION>
dissasembler?
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L1290[19:03:40] <Magik6k> _G
shift-rightclick
L1291[19:03:46] <Magik6k> iirc
L1292[19:04:02] <Magik6k> and/or putting
in crafting grid
L1293[19:05:48] <_G> I tried that
L1294[19:05:51] <_G> didn't come
out
L1295[19:05:57] <_G> I ended up replacing
the eeproms
L1296[19:06:06] <_G> My OC version is
probably old
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L1298[19:08:59] <Magik6k> ~w
shell.parse
L1300[19:09:23] <Magik6k> _G, that may be
the issue[outdated oc]
L1301[19:25:28] <orthoplex64> is there a
way to do multithreading in oc?
L1302[19:27:04] <gamax92> orthoplex64:
not in the sense you are likely thinking of, but there are lua's
coroutines
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L1304[19:33:38] <orthoplex64> gamax92: if
I wanted to simulate multithreading, would I have to loop through
coroutines and constantly resume them and have every other line of
the coroutines' functions be a call to yield?
L1305[19:34:07] <gamax92> _G: would you
agree thats an even worse idea than using luavm
L1306[19:34:57] <VERSION> orthoplex64,
doesnt have to be every other line
L1307[19:35:09] <VERSION> you just have
to yield at some point
L1308[19:35:23] <VERSION> like normal, or
else your computer will BSOD
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L1310[19:43:37] <namenmalkav> hello
L1311[19:43:49] <VERSION> namenmalkav,
hi
L1312[19:44:31] <namenmalkav> hi
VERSION
L1313[19:44:51] <namenmalkav> im stuck
with the unicode api of OC
L1314[19:45:05] <VERSION> ?
L1315[19:45:31] <namenmalkav> i get
"attempt to index field 'unicode' (a nil value) error
L1316[19:45:41] <VERSION> you need to
require it first
L1317[19:45:47] <VERSION> .require
unicode
L1318[19:45:48] <^v> VERSION, Not
found.
L1319[19:45:49] <namenmalkav> i have it
required
L1321[19:45:54] *
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L1323[19:45:58] <namenmalkav> that is the
xample im using
L1324[19:46:02] <SuPeRMiNoR2> Is that
really required? XD
L1325[19:46:11] <VERSION> you dont do
uni.unicode
L1326[19:46:14] <VERSION> just uni
L1327[19:46:57] <namenmalkav>
right!
L1328[19:47:23] <namenmalkav> i was stuck
reading and re readint and testing the code for the last 2 hs
:S
L1329[19:47:50] <gamax92> namenmalkav:
btw you can just do this: uni.char(0x25B6, 0x25C9, 0x25C0)
L1330[19:48:24] <namenmalkav> ook
L1331[19:48:31] <namenmalkav> that will
make it clear
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L1338[20:36:03] <PotatoTrumpet> Lizzy,
hows EnderBot3 coming along?
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L1340[20:37:29] <vifino> PotatoTrumpet:
Lizzy be asleep in my lap.
L1341[20:38:07] <PotatoTrumpet> .-.
L1342[20:38:11] <PotatoTrumpet>
.__.
L1343[20:38:18] <PotatoTrumpet> 0_0
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L1345[20:42:12] <PotatoTrumpet> b to the
r to be right back
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L1351[21:27:53] <PotatoTrumpet> o/
L1352[21:42:13] <vifino> PotatoTrumpet:
Nothing perverted >_>
L1353[21:42:15] <vifino> Pfft.
L1354[21:42:25] <vifino> Not everything
is perverted.
L1355[21:43:06] <vifino> Most things, but
not everything ;)
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that.
L1361[21:52:58] <vifino> Anyways, sleep
\o
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L1371[22:51:21] <Dan> Hello i am new to
opencomputer and i would like to store some files on a server how
would i do that ?
L1372[22:59:35] <Keridos> Dan: unless you
own the server you must do it through OC
L1373[23:00:06] <Keridos> its actually
pretty easy,just craft a floppy disk or a hard disk drive an open
it up on an openos install
L1374[23:00:07] <dangranos> wai, server
as in in-game OC server or MC server?
L1375[23:00:17] <Keridos> ah nvm
then
L1376[23:00:21] <Keridos> get a remote
terminal
L1377[23:00:41] <Keridos> right or shift
rightclick the server and you should have remote access
L1378[23:01:38] <Dan> @Keridos In
Minecraft ( need help with the code )
L1379[23:01:49] <Keridos> what are you
trying to do?
L1380[23:02:20] <Dan> Just would like to
save some files in a datacenter so i don't have to keep them on my
local server in mineecraft
L1381[23:02:33] <Dan> i am building a
datacenter for some reason lol
L1382[23:02:50] <Keridos> uh that might
require some advanced stuff
L1383[23:02:56] <Dan> Like ?
L1384[23:03:23] <Keridos> basically you
would have to implement a driver or interface or how you would call
it to transfer information over the message system (like networking
in RealLife)
L1385[23:03:46] <Dan> Oh k so..
L1386[23:04:09] <Keridos> then write 2
seperate programs (a server and a client) that implement coding
decoding the stuff and saving it locally in case of server
L1387[23:04:49] <Keridos> it is totally
doable but do not expect it to be as easy as in real life with
windows/mac and even linux
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L1389[23:06:44] <clever> Keridos:
anything like scp or rcp?
L1390[23:06:54] <Keridos> not as far as i
know
L1391[23:06:54] <clever> or rsync?
L1392[23:07:09] <clever> telnet?,
ssh?
L1393[23:07:11] <Keridos> its much much
more basic then using a shell in unix
L1394[23:07:17] <Keridos> or linux
L1395[23:07:37] <Keridos> you might find
implementations for this in the forums maybe
L1396[23:07:59] <clever> ssh with remote
argument would be enough to implement basic file copy
L1397[23:08:01] <Keridos> I once wrote a
driver for parallel redstone driver, but that was for CC
L1398[23:08:09] <clever> cat localfile |
ssh remote 'cat > remotefile'
L1399[23:08:27] <clever> i have once used
that to image harddrives over the network
L1400[23:08:56] <Keridos> no ssh or
anything like that
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L1402[23:09:13] <Keridos> networking is
quite different than in IRL, mainly much simpler
L1403[23:09:29] <Keridos> but that would
actually require a complete rewrite of SSH or any other tool
L1404[23:09:32] <clever> i recently wrote
a vpn client for linux overnight
L1405[23:09:56] <Keridos> then you should
be able to write something like this without problems
L1406[23:10:00] <Keridos> i mean, its
lua
L1407[23:10:00] <clever> and it took a
couple more days to add mac
L1408[23:10:22] <Keridos> but you would
have to to something like that aswell, but in lua and in OC
L1409[23:10:32] <Keridos> and a server to
do stuff too
L1410[23:10:35] <clever> it was pretty
easy, because i didnt have to manage any of the crypto,
retransmission, out of order reception, or any of that fun
stuff
L1411[23:10:46] <clever> reading
/dev/net/tun gives you one packet per call
L1412[23:10:57] <clever> and the
instant-messaging lib has p2p crypto and custom packet
functions
L1413[23:11:08] <Keridos> clever, i think
you can just event.get() a packet
L1414[23:11:11] <clever> so i just wrap
the network packets in IM packets, and fire them to the other
client
L1415[23:11:26] <Keridos> no need for
most of the stuff in OC
L1416[23:11:35] <Keridos> though i am
sure there are crypto libs for it
L1417[23:11:45] <clever> would need pipe
or atleast tcp support to do ssh/telnet right
L1418[23:11:52] <Keridos> and messaging
ordering should not be a problem, i think
L1419[23:11:58] <Keridos> not sure if it
has a max packet size
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L1421[23:12:11] <clever> does OC have
packet loss?
L1422[23:12:20] <dangranos> no
L1423[23:12:38] <dangranos> if you did
networking (and/or relaying in advanced case) correctly
L1424[23:12:50] <Keridos> it is no actual
network like IRL
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L1426[23:13:15] <Keridos> so basically
its emulating a network, with no thing like signal degradation like
it happens irl
L1427[23:13:31] <Keridos> at least as far
as i know
L1428[23:13:34] <clever> the same as
virtual interfaces to other VM's on the same host