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L14[02:00:03] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV]
Pushing snapshot_20180605 mappings to Forge Maven.
L15[02:00:07] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV]
Maven upload successful for mcp_snapshot-20180605-1.12.zip
(mappings = "snapshot_20180605" in build.gradle).
L16[02:00:17] <MCPBot_Reborn> Semi-live
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MCPBot mapping exports can be found here:
http://export.mcpbot.bspk.rs/
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L131[15:37:25] <bartman> not annoying at
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L136[15:38:34] <bartman> arlyon pls
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L142[15:46:09] <kashike> christ
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L157[18:50:20] <xaero> hmm apple
deprecating openGL .. how long until minecraft won't run on
macs?
L158[18:50:52] <xaero> maybe this will
trigger microsoft to focus efforts on w10 instead of java
edition?
L159[18:54:06] <gigaherz> you think ms
cares about minecraft on mac?
L160[18:55:44] <gigaherz> nah the way I
see it
L161[18:55:57] <gigaherz> it won't take
too long for someone to develop an opengl emulation layer on top of
Metal
L162[18:55:59] <kashike> more reasons to
not use a mac
L163[18:56:10] <gigaherz> opengl games on
mac
L164[18:56:11] <xaero> fair point, what is
hte market share for miencraft on mac anyway?
L165[18:56:18] <gigaherz> will be like
when people used glide wrappers
L166[18:56:56] <gigaherz> I don't think
mojang has numbers on that?
L167[18:57:17] <kashike> they have numbers
on everything :P
L168[18:57:44] <gigaherz> I don't think
mojang publishes the numbers they certainly have?
L169[18:58:15] <kashike> db posts some of
the data they have on twitter from time to time, but no public
access to the data no
L170[18:58:19] <xaero> yeah, hard to guess
their business decisions without that data then :P
L171[18:58:43] <gigaherz> nah not that
had
L173[18:59:10] <gigaherz> macos is around
5 to 10% based on where you look
L174[18:59:15] <gigaherz> general OS
usage
L175[18:59:31] <gigaherz> so if we assume
the same % of people play minecraft on all platforms
L176[18:59:32] <ForgeDiscord>
<Chocohead> General usage doesn't scale well for games
L177[18:59:39] <gigaherz> there would be
between 5 and 10% of the players
L178[18:59:56] <gigaherz> yeah I was
getting to that
L179[18:59:56] <kashike> heh, look at the
Mobile OS share
L180[19:00:10] <gigaherz> I don't think
this is very accurate
L181[19:00:16] <gigaherz> due to what
chocohead said
L182[19:00:31] <gigaherz> (how many people
who use mac play games on it? and how many play minecraft?)
L183[19:00:42] <Lord_Ralex> and steam's
numbers aren't exactly great either to compare with
L184[19:00:47] <flappy> a decent
amount
L185[19:01:14] <gigaherz> yeah but it's
impossible to say if the mac market share for minecraft is 5-10%
like the OS share
L186[19:01:22] <gigaherz> or much higher,
or much lower
L187[19:01:28] <ForgeDiscord>
<Chocohead> A best you get an initial idea, but without
logging your own program's usage (which Mojang did) you can't draw
solid conclusions
L189[19:01:49] <kashike> heh
L190[19:02:04] <Lord_Ralex> back in 2015,
it was actually about 5%
L191[19:02:48] <gigaherz> yeah so let's
say 5% of the players are on mac, 1% on linux, and the rest is
windows
L192[19:03:14] <gigaherz> you think mojang
is going to spend many hours porting minecraft to metal?
L193[19:03:32] <gigaherz> I find it more
likely they'll wait for an emulation library
L194[19:04:44] <gigaherz> heck
L196[19:04:55] <gigaherz> this is opengl
ES so no fixed function pipeline
L197[19:04:57] <gigaherz> only
shaders
L198[19:05:23] <gigaherz> but they have
backends for directx and vulkan
L199[19:05:33] <gigaherz> it's a matter of
time they get a metal backend
L200[19:05:54] <gigaherz> then mojang
would just need to drop support for opengl 1.x/2.x
L201[19:06:16] <gigaherz> go full
gl3.0/gles2.0, and support something like that
L202[19:07:09] <ForgeDiscord>
<Chocohead> Do we know how much they've modernised in
1.13?
L203[19:07:17] <ForgeDiscord>
<Chocohead> Given that was meant to be on the roadmap at one
point
L204[19:07:24] <gigaherz> I haven't looked
at the rendering code
L205[19:07:50] <gigaherz> but, fry hasn't
been working for mojang too long, he hasn't had a chance to rewrite
the rendering pipeline yet XD
L206[19:08:12] <gigaherz> although it
wouldn't surprise me if he has started XD
L207[19:09:35] <gigaherz> mc already makes
use of VBOs for geometry, so they'd "just" need to make
GlStateManager pick which shader to use based on the combination of
values
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L210[19:13:19] <gigaherz> LOL
L212[19:13:43] <gigaherz> a parody of
battle royale games
L213[19:14:24] <gigaherz> get it while
it's free, lol
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<Chocohead> Get a room guys
L223[20:15:35] <ForgeDiscord>
<Chocohead> ?
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