OCLogs: 2017-10-20.log

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L53[05:58:27] <Shawn|i7-Q720M> how much millibuckets is in a nugget?

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L55[06:17:47] <raBit> 16

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L62[07:50:27] <ghz|afk> hmm wasn't someone developing a mod similar to tinkers but for armor?

L63[07:50:36] <ghz|afk> was that ever released?

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L65[08:15:56] <Ordinastie> am I the only one getting annoyed by the obvious padding of youtubers so their video reach 10mins ?

L66[08:17:09] <z0ttel> I'm pretty annoyed by what youtube recommends

L67[08:22:26] <ben_mkiv> thats your taste

L68[08:22:27] <ben_mkiv> :P

L69[08:22:28] <ghz|afk> I tend not to watch youtubers that make < 10min videos

L70[08:22:33] <ghz|afk> xcept for like, sciency stuff

L71[08:22:49] <ghz|afk> and the padding in those is usually sponsorship stuff

L72[08:22:55] <Ordinastie> yeah, but then you have your typical 10min vid with only 3min of content

L73[08:23:48] <Ordinastie> once I even realised the video was artifically slowed down

L74[08:23:56] <ghz|afk> o_O

L75[08:24:12] <Ordinastie> it sounded normal again when I put 1.25x speed playback

L76[08:24:15] <ghz|afk> no idea what channels you watch, but that would be a big "nope not watching this again"

L77[08:24:22] <ghz|afk> for me

L78[08:27:02] <Ordinastie> usually, that's some midly click baity vid put in my recommended

L79[08:27:11] <Ordinastie> not regular youtubers I watch

L80[08:27:20] <ghz|afk> ah, I see

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L111[12:05:24] <mikerman50> woohoo, goodevening /timezone all

L112[12:12:21] <mikerman50> Hi Wuppy o/ how's it going man ltnc

L113[12:12:28] <Wuppy> sup :)

L114[12:12:34] <mikerman50> wooohoo

L115[12:12:40] <Wuppy> doing great, started working at a game dev studio so busy busy

L116[12:12:52] <mikerman50> oh sweet congrats

L117[12:12:58] <Wuppy> thanks!

L118[12:13:01] <Wuppy> what about you?

L119[12:13:05] <mikerman50> is it bad i thought instantly the game lol

L120[12:13:17] <Wuppy> what?

L121[12:13:52] <mikerman50> the Game Dev tycoo game

L122[12:14:24] <Wuppy> I can't tell you what kind of game I'm making, NDA

L123[12:14:34] <Wuppy> what I can tell you it's a strategy game made by Triumph Studios

L124[12:14:39] <Wuppy> and published by Paradox Interactive

L125[12:14:53] <mikerman50> but yeah i'm doing great thanks, little stuck on coding at the mo

L126[12:15:09] <mikerman50> oh i've heard of paradox before, very cool

L127[12:15:34] <mikerman50> i've recently changed job too. new dept. which is cool

L128[12:15:48] <Wuppy> they make some extremely cool games yeah :)

L129[12:15:58] <mikerman50> i've been doing my personal #Modtober

L130[12:16:00] <Wuppy> and they purchased Triumph Studios just before I signed my contract

L131[12:16:06] <Wuppy> a mod every week?

L132[12:16:11] <mikerman50> ononononnono

L133[12:16:12] <mikerman50> rofl

L134[12:16:17] <mikerman50> i'm not that crazy

L135[12:17:28] <Wuppy> then what?

L136[12:17:29] <mikerman50> i'm doing coding each day and updating the sites with progress, it's a case of each day i'll do about 4 hours of work and commit it just before i sleep, and the code must be a working state

L137[12:18:17] <Wuppy> how do you have 4 hours a day free for coding after a day of work :O

L138[12:18:30] <mikerman50> are you still doing mc code?

L139[12:18:32] <Wuppy> I've got 2 or 3 hours of free time a day at all and in that time I have to cook, clean etc

L140[12:18:37] <Wuppy> not at all

L141[12:19:08] <mikerman50> i hadn't touched mc code since 1.9 till the 8th or so of this month

L142[12:19:20] <Wuppy> did it get any better? :P

L143[12:20:12] <mikerman50> well... jsons are still the bain of my life but that's because they never had a complete set

L144[12:20:20] <Wuppy> heh

L145[12:20:39] <mikerman50> i mean I never had a complete set (too many blocks/Items)

L146[12:21:25] <Wuppy> but yeah, I've moved from Minecraft mods in Java to AAA style C++ game development

L147[12:21:33] <Wuppy> we recently released a project on Steam as well

L148[12:22:00] <mikerman50> how you finding the switch?

L149[12:22:05] <Wuppy> awesome

L150[12:22:28] <Wuppy> although at the moment I'm not playing with it very much because I got tired of Zelda & Mario Kart

L151[12:22:36] <Wuppy> and Mario Odyssey is preordered :D

L152[12:23:10] <mikerman50> oops, sorry I mean the switch from java - C++

L153[12:23:19] <mikerman50> (stupid name for a console) :P

L154[12:23:19] <Wuppy> oh lol

L155[12:23:24] <Wuppy> soooooo much better

L156[12:23:31] <Wuppy> C++ is a thousand times better than java

L157[12:23:48] <mikerman50> optimisation wise?

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L159[12:24:22] <Wuppy> it's nicer to program in and is generally a lot faster yeah

L160[12:27:12] <mikerman50> cool, I was hoping to rejoin irc and it be a hive activity.. but *tumble weed blows* mhmmmm

L161[12:31:40] <Wuppy> yeah, it's been getting somewhat silent

L162[12:32:08] <mikerman50> one hopes its because people are busy with thier heads in code :P

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L166[12:35:40] <Wuppy> modding is getting less popular, that's for sure

L167[12:36:04] <ybden> any idea why?

L168[12:36:20] <mikerman50> *nods*

L169[12:36:26] <Wuppy> it's getting old I guess

L170[12:36:32] <Wuppy> the game is also getting less popular

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L172[12:39:24] <ben_mkiv> and we reached some state where theres a mod for almost everything

L173[12:40:03] <mikerman50> I think it's still a great game without limits. but I do think that the C# version will be the priority for future updates

L174[12:40:15] <McJty> You mean the C++ version

L175[12:40:18] <McJty> There is no C# version

L176[12:40:26] <mikerman50> w/e

L177[12:40:33] <McJty> A lot different

L178[12:40:37] <mikerman50> not the java version then i'll say that lol

L179[12:40:37] <Wuppy> lol

L180[12:40:41] <McJty> Anyway, the C++ version is a lot harder to mod

L181[12:40:43] <Wuppy> C# is more like Java

L182[12:40:54] <Wuppy> yeah, mods in C++ is hard

L183[12:41:07] <Wuppy> on the other hand, if well designed can be really powerful

L184[12:41:31] <McJty> I used to program a lot in C++. But I'm very happy that I can now program in Java though

L185[12:42:04] <Wuppy> java is so much easier than C++ though

L186[12:42:18] <mikerman50> so IF that does happen i'd hope there would be some user friendly tool that can convert java mods to C++ unlikley I'd guess

L187[12:42:26] <McJty> mikerman50, VERY unlikely

L188[12:42:38] <Wuppy> yeah, that's not gonna happen

L189[12:42:52] <ben_mkiv> the problem with c++ is that you need a proper api to realize mods

L190[12:43:06] <Wuppy> exactly

L191[12:43:08] <McJty> Even though Java and C++ look somewhat similar on a syntax level (if you don't look too closely) they are fundamentally different underneath

L192[12:43:10] <ghz|afk> even if someone did add java bindings to the C++ versions

L193[12:43:14] <ghz|afk> it would only expose what the bindings expose

L194[12:43:16] <Wuppy> like I said, it has to be very well designed to be useful

L195[12:43:21] <ghz|afk> you wouldn't be able to work directly with the internals

L196[12:43:31] <ghz|afk> so it would be closer to like, sponge plugins

L197[12:43:32] <ghz|afk> than mods

L198[12:43:36] <Wuppy> McJty, I know, I am now a full time C++ game dev and modded minecraft for years

L199[12:43:59] <McJty> I once made a C++ 3D engine that was designed to be moddable. But it has to be done from the ground up in the framework. You cannot (at least not easily) just 'plug mods' in like we're doing with the Java version

L200[12:44:04] <mikerman50> well they're already trying advise people not to core mod

L201[12:44:06] <ghz|afk> but I believe their idea was to use C# for "scripting" plugins

L202[12:44:09] <ghz|afk> rather than java

L203[12:44:17] <ghz|afk> since .NET is microsoft's own toy ;P

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L205[12:44:25] <Wuppy> exactly McJty

L206[12:45:02] <ghz|afk> well, you CAN inject code and such

L207[12:45:09] <ghz|afk> it's jut 10000x harder

L208[12:45:11] <ben_mkiv> didnt want to know how much energy was wasted of minecraft compiling bytecode and such on startup everytime a player started the game xD

L209[12:45:23] <ghz|afk> ben_mkiv: that's the least of the issues

L210[12:45:28] <ghz|afk> the code isn't THAT slow

L211[12:45:42] <ghz|afk> the part that slows java down, are all the native interactions

L212[12:45:42] <ben_mkiv> but its unnecessary

L213[12:45:48] <ben_mkiv> like some modpacks take 5mins to load

L214[12:45:54] <ben_mkiv> and they do the same stuff every start

L215[12:46:01] <ghz|afk> yes, and 4.5 of those 5 minutes are stitching textures

L216[12:46:05] <ghz|afk> and building models

L217[12:46:14] <ghz|afk> the code itself isn't slow ;p

L218[12:46:17] <ben_mkiv> which could be pregenerated :>

L219[12:46:26] <ghz|afk> yep

L220[12:46:34] <ghz|afk> but that's how mc works

L221[12:46:37] <ghz|afk> so we have to deal with it

L222[12:46:47] <ghz|afk> if someone wants to make an atlas cache mod, feel free ;p

L223[12:47:12] <ben_mkiv> afaik there is

L224[12:47:13] <ben_mkiv> https://www.reddit.com/r/feedthebeast/comments/5z4jfh/asies_experimental_classcachetweaker_reduces/

L225[12:47:40] <ghz|afk> that's a code cache

L226[12:47:43] <ghz|afk> i'm talking textures and models

L227[12:47:59] <ben_mkiv> but they could probably be cached kinda the same way

L228[12:48:34] <ghz|afk> an atlas cache would be much simpler

L229[12:48:52] <ghz|afk> all you have to do is serialize the list of textures in the atlas, and when reloading, compare the list with the computed one

L230[12:48:57] <ghz|afk> and if same, just load the atlas file

L231[12:50:34] <mikerman50> so i'm actually looking for a little help with my oregen file for 1.11.2 if anyone can assist?

L232[12:51:02] <mikerman50> the issue is that my ores are generating EVERYWHERE but I had thought i'd set the code to be biome specific

L233[12:51:03] <ben_mkiv> yea, just do some checksums and only do a full start if a file changes

L234[12:51:13] <ben_mkiv> cant believe that no one did that before

L235[12:51:43] <mikerman50> at the moment this is my file https://pastebin.com/9RtQAQ1B

L236[12:51:57] <ben_mkiv> but that would probably require some custom forge loader or heavy asm patching

L237[12:53:57] <ghz|afk> mikeprimm: your isBiome code is weird...

L238[12:54:03] <ghz|afk> first of all, why do you work with biome IDs?

L239[12:54:18] <mikerman50> * mikerman50 :P

L240[12:54:33] <ghz|afk> oops*

L241[12:55:00] <ghz|afk> I hate tab-completion in this channel because there's WAY too many people who share the first 4 letters of their nicknames

L242[12:55:28] <Lord_Ralex> yay for last-spoke ordering

L243[12:55:37] <mikerman50> ^^

L244[12:56:06] <Lord_Ralex> and i know that my name is going to make you hate it more

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L246[12:56:28] <ghz|afk> actually there's only one lord* atm so ;p

L247[12:56:30] <mikerman50> yeah the reason I work with the ideas is because I used the ids when I was attempting the update for 1.9 and that workee

L248[12:56:32] <Lord_Ralex> huh, damn it

L249[12:56:46] <mikerman50> *ids's

L250[12:57:04] <ghz|afk> mikerman50: please try to reference things by string name in the future

L251[12:57:29] <ghz|afk> also

L252[12:57:35] <ghz|afk> the way you loop in there is inefficient

L253[12:57:36] <mikerman50> i'd liek to use the forge biomeDictonary

L254[12:57:47] <mikerman50> but i am not that good at all

L255[12:57:47] <ghz|afk> you are building a list inside a for

L256[12:57:55] <ghz|afk> just to later check if it contains something

L257[12:58:12] <ghz|afk> so you can instead get rid of the list, and compare each biome within the for loop

L258[12:58:30] <ghz|afk> and exit as soon as you find a match

L259[12:59:33] * mikerman50 googles for loops

L260[13:04:34] <c64cosmin> o/ hello fellas, Still trying to make my mod work with the official client, I have logs (seem clean from my point of view),I didn't manage to debug the instance (the game block while "Loading world")

L261[13:04:57] <c64cosmin> version is 1.12.2 (and fml, latest stable and latest snapshot)

L262[13:13:36] <mikerman50> ghz|afk i'm sorry i'm not sure I understand. do you have an example of how I can generate more efficiently?

L263[13:19:26] <billy> return allowedBiomes.contains(Biome.getIdForBiome(input));

L264[13:20:53] <mikerman50> billy that looks similar to what I have already? "return allowedBiomes.contains(input);"

L265[13:21:04] <Ordinastie> yeah, that's totatlly not what he meant

L266[13:21:34] <billy> yeah, no. get rid of everything else in that method. thats the only thing you need. no loop

L267[13:22:13] <Ordinastie> he passed an array of ids

L268[13:22:42] <billy> yup. and what i said checks if that array contains the id of the input biome

L269[13:23:43] <Ordinastie> oh right, misread

L270[13:24:09] <Ordinastie> well, you didn't use the right var name, that didn't help

L271[13:24:58] <mikerman50> so hy oreGen file works in the sense the ores all generate

L272[13:25:03] <Ordinastie> and there is no contains method in arrays

L273[13:25:20] <mikerman50> BUT it seems to be ignoring the If statement

L274[13:26:45] <billy> fine. since we want to get semantical, https://pastebin.com/37VnTH1K

L275[13:26:58] <Ordinastie> yeah, no

L276[13:27:07] <Ordinastie> that's basically what he's doing

L277[13:27:12] <billy> beats the hell out of that loop

L278[13:27:45] <Ordinastie> ArrayUtils.contains(Biome.getIdForBiome(input), allowedBiomeIds);

L279[13:28:04] <billy> again with the semantics

L280[13:28:10] <Ordinastie> no

L281[13:28:47] <Ordinastie> you don't need to loop to build a list, then loop to check contains

L282[13:29:12] <billy> my point was, get rid of the loop and check if the array contains the id you want. doesnt matter how many different ways you want to write it, the point remains

L283[13:30:03] <Ordinastie> the point ghz|afk made was to get rid of the unecessary list

L284[13:30:20] <billy> yes, and i added onto that to get rid of the loop

L285[13:30:42] <Ordinastie> if you do asList(), you don't get rid of the list, you just hide it

L286[13:31:03] <billy> thats why my original pseudo code didnt have it

L287[13:31:05] <mikerman50> so it's not vital that I get the code optimal at this point, just working is the goal

L288[13:31:11] <billy> ffs with the semantics

L289[13:31:56] <ben_mkiv> xD

L290[13:32:04] * billy adds Ordinastie to his list of "elitists to avoid"

L291[13:32:34] <Ordinastie> I think you mean "people who are right", but semantics I guess

L292[13:33:15] <ben_mkiv> you better listen to what he teaches you

L293[13:33:32] <mikerman50> * is watching intently*

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L295[13:39:01] <mikerman50> gonna try what Ordinastie suggested. anything is worth a shot :) (fingers crossed for this)

L296[13:40:35] <mikerman50> the last one method I used I put a System.out but it just spewd that stuff was generating when i when through a new chunk so that didnt really help lol

L297[13:41:41] <Ordinastie> use your debugger

L298[13:45:39] <mikerman50> hhmmmm, this looks promising already, the world looks alot less cluttered right now

L299[13:51:18] <c64cosmin> hahaha found the issue, I was missing a .jar (flowNoise)

L300[13:51:29] <c64cosmin> how do you include that .jar withing the mod?

L301[13:51:49] <Ordinastie> with gradle magic

L302[13:53:59] <ghz|afk> c64cosmin: you will need something like this:

L303[13:54:00] <ghz|afk> https://github.com/gigaherz/Survivalist/blob/master/build.gradle#L39

L304[13:54:07] <ghz|afk> https://github.com/gigaherz/Survivalist/blob/master/build.gradle#L46

L305[13:54:13] <ghz|afk> https://github.com/gigaherz/Survivalist/blob/master/build.gradle#L54

L306[13:54:43] <ghz|afk> the first link adds a new configuration group, the second adds items to that group, the third processes the group during jar build

L307[13:55:21] <Ordinastie> you should make it a separate downloads

L308[13:55:26] <Ordinastie> need moar points!

L309[13:55:49] <ghz|afk> yeah and modpack authors complain if you embed it ;P

L310[13:55:59] <ghz|afk> because it gives them extra work removing the embeds from the zip

L311[13:57:16] <c64cosmin> oh...so I can put the .jar side by side?

L312[14:01:51] <mikerman50> well. this is strange. now it seems to only be generating certain blocks and still not specific to that biome

L313[14:29:42] <Zidane> Ordinastie> with gradle magic

L314[14:29:48] <Zidane> I didn't even need to see the username

L315[14:29:52] <Zidane> To know who said this

L316[14:37:40] <Ordinastie> :p

L317[14:38:00] <Ordinastie> if I knew how it works, I wouldn't call it magic :p

L318[14:47:48] <mikerman50> hey Ordinastie reckon this would work? "if (Biome.EXPLORATION_BIOMES_LIST.contains("Desert"))"

L319[14:48:41] <Ordinastie> I don't know what that field is

L320[14:48:43] <Ordinastie> I don't have it

L321[14:49:19] <ghz|afk> EXPLORATION_BIOMES_LIST was used by the old achievement

L322[14:49:24] <ghz|afk> to detect if you had visited all the biomes

L323[14:49:34] <ghz|afk> so no, that is not really a good choice

L324[14:53:16] <mikerman50> oh ok :/

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L329[15:26:25] <mikerman50> test

L330[15:26:59] <ghz|afk> test reply

L331[15:27:15] <mikerman50> :P ty, I was kicked/timed out

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L337[15:32:39] <mikerman50> what about using "return BiomeDictionary.isBiomeOfType(biome, type);" for the return, not as much individual control but 27 types seems suficient to work with

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L339[15:33:26] <ghz|afk> mikeprimm: that seems reasonable

L340[15:33:30] <mikerman50> hehe

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L342[15:33:41] <mikerman50> Sorry Mike P

L343[15:33:51] <ghz|afk> XD

L344[15:33:53] <ghz|afk> oops!

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L369[18:46:27] <nanoaquila> Hi all, quick question I can not seen to find an event that is fired when a portal is created. Is there one and if so what is it called please.

L370[18:46:49] <c64cosmin> one second

L371[18:47:35] <c64cosmin> you mean a nether portal?

L372[18:47:54] <nanoaquila> yeah

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L374[18:50:45] <c64cosmin> seems like nothing you could hook up to

L375[18:50:52] <c64cosmin> at least from my point of view :(

L376[18:51:43] <nanoaquila> Yeah that is what I figured too :(, Thanks for checking for me too.

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L383[20:01:55] <c64cosmin> http://www.stupidrat.com/minecraft/realmshift/download/ yay!

L384[20:02:07] <c64cosmin> too bad I cannot have my script upload to FTP directly :*

L385[20:02:09] <c64cosmin> :(

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