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L20[01:59:00] <Wuppy> morning
L21[02:00:03] <MCPBot_Reborn> [TEST CSV]
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L27[02:09:33] <GeoDoX> Hey wuppy
L28[02:09:49] <Wuppy> good morning
L29[02:09:55] <GeoDoX> hows it?
L30[02:10:01] <Wuppy> great :D
L31[02:10:02] <Wuppy> you?
L32[02:10:12] <GeoDoX> meh,
frustrated
L33[02:10:32] <GeoDoX> trying to texture my
model but hate blender right now
L34[02:10:48] <Wuppy> what do you expect
with blender :P
L35[02:10:56] <GeoDoX> there needs to be a
way to say "these faces are the same in the uv"
L36[02:12:11] <Wuppy> fucking hell another
suicicde bomming in paris :|
L37[02:12:16] <GeoDoX> especially because
even though the faces are the EXACT same, the uv doesnt think so.
so if I manipulate a vertex on one of the faces, then everything
changes
L38[02:12:24] <GeoDoX> oh fuck, didn't hear
about that
L39[02:12:31] <GeoDoX> only 3:12am
here
L40[02:12:35] <Wuppy> it hapened like a few
minutes ago
L41[02:13:07] <GeoDoX> paris has been
taking a beating
L42[02:13:23] <Wuppy> thankfully, only 1
normal person got killed
L43[02:13:34] <Wuppy> versus 2 people whod
id it
L44[02:13:48] <GeoDoX> thats good then,
well better than more i mean
L45[02:14:07] <Wuppy> at lesat it's
something :c
L46[02:14:33] <GeoDoX> what would you
recommend to texture my model?
L47[02:14:40] <Wuppy> maya
L48[02:14:41] <GeoDoX> It's extremely
simple
L50[02:15:37] <Wuppy> I've never used
anything outside of Maya + a tiny bit of Blender
L51[02:15:48] <Wuppy> but all of my
teachers and fellow students tell me blender sucks
L52[02:18:08] <fry> paying $1000 for a
model editor sucks :P
L53[02:18:16] <fry> and blender is
perfectly adequate
L54[02:18:24] <Wuppy> maya is free
\o/
L55[02:18:47] <Wuppy> but almost anything
is free as a studnet :P
L56[02:19:36] <fry> student-free versions
aren't free at all
L57[02:19:47] <fry> you're investing your
time in them
L58[02:20:49] <fry> so, when you finish
being a student, and try to apply gained skills in the real world,
you'll be inclined to buy the soft you learned, with a full
price
L59[02:21:44] <fry> so, you should always
take the adult price into consideration :P
L60[02:22:23] <fry> (this is true for any
student-free professional software, not only model editors)
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L62[02:22:58] <GeoDoX> looking at maya uv
tutorials and it seems more difficult than blender
L63[02:23:19] <GeoDoX> and neither one
seems good for cube like objects
L64[02:23:28] <Wuppy> fry, the thing is, I
need an operating system so getting windows for free is nice
L65[02:23:40] <Wuppy> I also need Visual
studio for C++, getting the better version for free is nice
L66[02:23:55] <Wuppy> the entire industry
uses Maya, getting that for free is nice
L67[02:23:55] <GeoDoX> while you're around
fry, is there a thread or something on how to use yours and shades
obj loader?
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L69[02:24:11] <Wuppy> almost the entire
industry uses Perforce, getting that for free is also nice
L70[02:24:32] <Wuppy> and I'm pretty sure
that companies you'll work for provide most of that software for
you as well
L71[02:26:10] <fry> Wuppy: who would a
company choose: a programmer working with a free software, or a
programmer that they have to buy $1000 license for? assuming the
functionality is identical?
L72[02:26:38] <fry> GeoDoX: not much
documentation is available yet, you can look at examples in the
src/test folder on the forge github
L73[02:27:32] <GeoDoX> fry, is there
anything special i need to do to my model?
L74[02:27:43] <fry> shouldn't be
L75[02:27:45] <GeoDoX> (positions, scale,
etc)
L76[02:28:10] <fry> cube is assumed to be
from (0, 0, 0) to (1, 1, 1)
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L78[02:30:06] <GeoDoX> alright
L79[02:30:19] <GeoDoX> whats the package
for the obj loader?
L80[02:30:26] <Wuppy> fry, most, if not
all, companies use Maya and Perforce for visual editing and
revisioning so yeah...
L81[02:30:46] <Wuppy> and I'm not saying
that working with expensive software is better, but why not if it's
free
L82[02:30:56] <fry> because it's not
free
L83[02:31:07] <fry> it's not free at
all
L84[02:31:07] <Wuppy> especially in a
situation like Visual Studio where the expensive versions only add
features
L85[02:31:18] <Wuppy> so you can still use
the basic, you'll just miss a feature or two
L86[02:31:34] <fry> again, the price tag is
not the only price you pay
L87[02:31:49] <Wuppy> according to that
logic, everybody should switch to linux
L88[02:32:01] <fry> they indeed should
:P
L90[02:32:20] <fry> that's the loader, yes,
GeoDoX
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L94[02:39:50] <GeoDoX> Is there a way to
load the model but apply the texture after? (assuming not)
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L96[02:40:08] <fry> what "after"
means here? :P
L97[02:40:53] <fry> you can change the
texture in the blockstat json, for example
L98[02:40:57] <fry> *blockstate
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L100[02:42:23] <GeoDoX> Like, not do
anything with UV Maps, in this case, with blender
L101[02:42:43] <fry> no, you need to
actually have an uv map
L102[02:43:30] <GeoDoX> this is so
frustrating, because my model is very simple
L103[02:43:58] <fry> then uv mapping in
blender should be very simple too :P
L104[02:44:21] <GeoDoX>
"should"
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L110[03:04:51] <Wuppy> I should finish
learning javascript today...
L111[03:05:41] <GeoDoX> yay for g15
:)
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L113[03:06:33] <Saturn812> one cannot
simply finish learning javascript
L114[03:06:40] <xaero> you're never really
finished with it
L115[03:06:41] <xaero> yea
L116[03:06:41] <Wuppy> g15?
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L118[03:06:55] <Wuppy> yeah I agree, but I
have to just learn the basics
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L120[03:07:29] <Wuppy> according to
Lynda.com I have to learn it before I learn a tool used to write
Python
L121[03:07:41] <Wuppy> and I want to learn
it to make a slightly advanced website
L122[03:10:17] <mort_> Hi
L123[03:11:39] <Saturn812> there is
nothing really to learn in js. You just have to find things as you
need them
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L127[03:17:57] <sham1> Wuppy, when you say
"everyone should switch to linux". They really
should
L128[03:18:39] <sham1> Once WINE gets
advanced enough, people no longer need windows for anything as they
can run Windows stuff on linux
L129[03:21:21] <McJty> I use linux and I
don't even use wine
L130[03:21:28] <McJty> There is nothing on
windows that I need on linux
L131[03:24:53] <Wuppy> Saturn812, learning
the syntax and some of the most commonly used systmes is a good
idea though
L132[03:25:03] <Wuppy> sham1, no, gaming
sucks on linux :c
L133[03:25:06] <Wuppy> as well as game
development
L134[03:26:48] <sham1> gaming's not an
excuse
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L136[03:27:00] <Wuppy> why not?
L138[03:27:44] <Wuppy> dat summer feel on
this song
L139[03:27:55] <Wuppy> also, the massive
amount of awesome memmories
L140[03:28:46] <sham1> Gaming's not an
excuse because Valve
L141[03:28:51] <sham1> And SteamOS
L142[03:30:58] <Wuppy> noooo the speedup
button on lynda is broken :c
L143[03:31:04] <Wuppy> and this guy talks
waaaay too damn slow
L144[03:31:09] <sham1> lynda?
L145[03:31:13] <Wuppy> lynda.com
L146[03:31:53] <sham1> Also, why are you
trying to learn JavaScript
L147[03:32:07] <Wuppy> 1. I need it to
learn a tool for python
L148[03:32:15] <Wuppy> 2. I'm going to
make a website with javascript
L149[03:32:20] <Wuppy> 3. It's good to
know web dev
L150[03:32:38] <Saturn812> WINE will never
be that advanced
L151[03:32:54] <sham1> And that would be
because?
L152[03:33:04] <Wuppy> sham1, about
wine?
L153[03:33:12] <sham1> Indeed
L154[03:33:23] <Wuppy> was unsuer if that
was to me or to Saturn
L155[03:33:37] <sham1> Also, I am pretty
sure you make websites with HTML + CSS and not with JS
L156[03:33:43] <sham1> You use JS with
HTML + CSS
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L158[03:33:56] <Wuppy> you can make basic
websites, but I need JS for some slightly more advanced stuff
L159[03:34:00] <Wuppy> I needs
logics
L160[03:34:03] <sham1> AJAX?
L161[03:34:07] <sham1> Ah
L162[03:34:07] <Wuppy> AJAX?
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L164[03:34:35] <sham1> AJAX enables you to
get documents from the server via JavaScript
L165[03:34:46] <sham1> You can use that to
update content for instance
L166[03:35:01] <Wuppy> I might need AJAX
at one point
L167[03:35:27] <sham1> Gonna use jQuery or
something similar
L168[03:35:30] <Wuppy> but I'll probably
not need much more than a random number generator, 1 simple
calculation and then a check
L169[03:35:34] <sham1> Or POJS
L170[03:35:40] <sham1> Plain Old
JavaScript
L171[03:35:56] <Wuppy> I might keep a
scoring system on a database or somethign later, but I'll first do
the basics
L173[03:36:32] <sham1> That's an awesome
effect
L174[03:36:46] <Wuppy> that isn't properly
uiv'
L175[03:36:47] <Wuppy> uv'd
L176[03:36:59] <Wuppy> make sure you do a
planar mapping on the things around the circle in the middle
L177[03:37:22] <GeoDoX> not sure what the
equivelent is in blender...
L178[03:37:45] <Wuppy> I'm sure google
knows :)
L180[03:37:53] <GeoDoX> Thats my
UV's
L182[03:38:15] <Wuppy> you probably want a
square map on the 4 corners
L183[03:38:15] <GeoDoX> Each side is
"welded" together
L184[03:38:41] <Wuppy> although I'm not an
artist :P
L185[03:39:00] <sham1> Yes you are
L186[03:39:17] <sham1> Programming is
art
L187[03:39:19] <ThePsionic> Anyway
L188[03:39:22] <ThePsionic>
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
L189[03:39:26] <Wuppy> hai
ThePsionic
L190[03:39:29] <Wuppy> sup?
L191[03:39:31] <sham1>
bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
L192[03:39:34] <Wuppy> other than
screaming :P
L193[03:39:35] <ThePsionic> my gaming pc
just got back
L194[03:39:41] <ThePsionic> so i'm setting
it up again
L195[03:39:49] <Cypher121> now that I
think of it, the longer programming exists, the more old stuff
there'll be
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L197[03:39:59] <Wuppy> ThePsionic, why was
it gone?
L198[03:40:04] <ThePsionic> because it
broke
L199[03:40:10] <Cypher121> which means
more "Plain Old <something>" abbreviations
L200[03:40:11] <Wuppy> what was wrong with
it?
L201[03:40:22] <ThePsionic> It started
bluescreening so I tried to re-install Windows
L202[03:40:25] <ThePsionic> The
uninstalling worked
L203[03:40:28] <ThePsionic> The
re-installing didn't
L204[03:40:48] <Wuppy> so which thing was
broken? HDD?
L205[03:40:48] <ThePsionic> And apparently
the RAM was busted too
L206[03:40:58] <Wuppy> ah, RAM, makes
sense
L207[03:41:00] <sham1> "Plain Old
<something>" is like the best way to make something
sound interesting in programming
L208[03:41:02] <ThePsionic> yeah
L209[03:41:03] <Cypher121> at what point
will we have to look in a dictionary to find out what
POASJHDAKJDHAS means?
L210[03:41:10] <sham1> People like their
acronyms
L212[03:42:00] <Cypher121> yeah, it
doesn't mean anything... yet
L213[03:42:31] <sham1> Plain Old
ThreadWorkerMonadFactoryMonadFactoryWorkerFactory
L214[03:42:42] *
Wuppy stabs the course presentation person
L215[03:42:42] <ThePsionic> :P
L216[03:42:51] <Wuppy> one does not simply
add a bracket on the same line
L218[03:43:00] <Cypher121>
MonadFactoryMonadFactory
L219[03:43:01] <ThePsionic> Wuppy: I do it
literally all the time
L220[03:43:11] <Wuppy> one ESPECIALLY does
not add the else on the same line as the closing bracket of an
if
L221[03:43:11] <Cypher121> no, sorry, I'm
not THAT into functional programming
L222[03:43:21] <ThePsionic> Oh yeah that's
bad
L223[03:43:31] <Wuppy>
o________________0
L224[03:43:41] <Wuppy> Javascript can
break if you use the proper braces style
L225[03:43:54] <ThePsionic> gg
L226[03:43:57] <sham1>
MonadFactoryMonadFactory is me parodying J2EE names
L227[03:43:57] <Wuppy> aka, next line
braces
L228[03:44:08] <ThePsionic> welcome to
JS
L229[03:44:22] <sham1> JavaScript is like
coffee
L230[03:44:29] <sham1> You only want it
once in a while
L231[03:44:29] <Wuppy> java is
coffee
L232[03:44:44] <sham1> And so is
CoffeeScript
L233[03:44:48] <ThePsionic> Er guys
L235[03:44:50] <ThePsionic> wait
L236[03:44:51] <Wuppy> java is literally
coffee
L237[03:44:52] <ThePsionic> damnit
sham1
L238[03:44:56] <sham1> :D
L239[03:45:06] <Cypher121> wait, since
then
L240[03:45:06] <Cypher121> if
(condition)
L241[03:45:06] <Cypher121> {
L242[03:45:06] <Cypher121> ...
L243[03:45:06] <Cypher121> }
L244[03:45:06] <Cypher121> is a
java(script) convention?
L245[03:45:17] <sham1> Since never
L246[03:45:31] <ThePsionic> That's a C++
convention iirc
L247[03:45:36] <Cypher121> yeah,
exactly
L248[03:45:37] <sham1> in Java(script) you
usually see if (cond) {
L249[03:45:42] <ThePsionic> ^
L250[03:45:44] <sham1> It is the GNU
indentation
L251[03:45:47] <Wuppy> oh god coffeescript
makes my eyes bleed
L252[03:45:49] <sham1> the former
L253[03:45:52] <Saturn812> that is not
tied to the language...
L254[03:45:55] <ThePsionic> The problem in
JS is you need to do the following:
L255[03:45:57] <ThePsionic> if
(cond)
L256[03:45:59] <ThePsionic> wait
L257[03:46:03] <ThePsionic> if (cond)
{
L258[03:46:04] <ThePsionic> ...
L259[03:46:06] <ThePsionic> } else {
L260[03:46:08] <ThePsionic> ...
L261[03:46:09] <ThePsionic> }
L262[03:46:09] <Wuppy> Saturn812, is
right, braces are not tied to the language
L263[03:46:12] <sham1> CoffeeScript looks
nice
L264[03:46:15] <Wuppy> but what ThePsionic
just wrote is plain wrong
L265[03:46:20] <sham1> The hell you
talking about
L266[03:46:28] <McJty> Well they are not
tied to the language but every language has its preferred coding
style which is commonly adopted
L267[03:46:30] <Wuppy> technically it
works, but it's not right :<
L268[03:46:36] <ThePsionic> ikr
Wuppy
L269[03:47:10] <Saturn812> i think only
python has a preffered coding style. The rest language just depends
on the programmer itself and the framework they are using
L270[03:47:12] <Cypher121> hi McJty
L271[03:47:19] <McJty> Hi Cypher121
L272[03:47:27] <sham1> But Wuppy if you do
not like CoffeeScript, have fun with ECMAScript 6 standard :D
L273[03:47:41] <sham1> That JavaScript is
now
L274[03:47:47] <Wuppy> sham1, would I ever
get in contact with ECMAscript 6?
L275[03:47:59] <ThePsionic> But yeah if
anyone has the time to check out my website that'd be great, I
don't really know what to put in the third column of the about
section and I'm not entirely sure about how my portfolio is laid
out
L276[03:48:03] <sham1> if you want not
stupid looking anon funcs
L277[03:48:13] <sham1> () -> /* Stuff
*/
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L279[03:48:25] <sham1> That is ECMAScript
6 lambda
L280[03:48:50] <sham1> Not that different
from CoffeeScript
L282[03:49:40] <Cypher121> I'm a bit lost,
are we considering inverted "while" or "until"
good?
L283[03:49:50] <sham1> 0/10 no fold
L284[03:50:58] <sham1> gcd :: (Num a)
=> a -> a -> a
L285[03:51:01] <sham1> eh
L286[03:51:03] <sham1> Heh*
L287[03:51:16] <sham1> Even though it
should be (Integral a) now when i think about it
L288[03:51:32] <Cypher121>
aaaaaaaaaaaa
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L290[03:57:27] <Wuppy> ugh why is there
still no news on the release date of Blue Mountain State Rise Of
Thadland
L291[03:57:32] <Wuppy> I want that movie
:P
L292[03:58:24] <xaero> is that the series
with the ♫ give me a hell, give me a yeah? ♫ theme song?
L293[03:58:34] <Wuppy> yes
L294[03:59:05] <Wuppy> one of the best
shows ever made, seen it like 3 times :P
L295[04:00:43] <xaero> haven't seen the
show, but the song's pretty good
L296[04:00:59] <Wuppy> yeah the song is
great as well
L297[04:01:36] <Wuppy> I recently found
out that there's a dutch version of Blue Mountain State, it's
GLORIOUS
L298[04:02:27] <xaero> now I know why you
like it so much ... "It portrays certain aspects of American
university life, including American football, sex, binge drinking,
drugs, wild partying, and hazing." x)
L299[04:02:44] <Wuppy> that is exactly the
reason why I like it
L300[04:03:38] <Wuppy> do you know any
other shows/movies with a subject like that?
L301[04:03:56] <Wuppy> kinda like the
Neighbors movie :P
L302[04:05:39] <ThePsionic> Hmm
L303[04:05:40] <xaero> nah.. like Kaiyouka
(IIRC) I tend to not understand that lifestyle hehe
L304[04:05:52] <xaero> but to each his own
:P
L305[04:05:54] <Wuppy> yeah... Kaiyouka
does not agree with it :P
L306[04:05:55] <ThePsionic> Wuppy: What
kind of icon would you connect to the term
"exploration"
L307[04:06:07] <Kaiyouka> heh
L308[04:06:14] <Wuppy> but I agree with
you xaero, everybody has their own lifestyle
L309[04:06:33] <Kaiyouka> Does drawing
porn and watching Kitchen Nightmares really qualify as a
lifestyle?
L310[04:06:45] <Wuppy> ThePsionic,
binoculars
L311[04:06:51] <ThePsionic> hmm
L312[04:06:57] <Wuppy> or even better
perhaps, binoculars on top of a map
L313[04:07:03] <Kaiyouka> compass
L314[04:07:08] <Wuppy> or a compass on a
map
L315[04:07:12] <Kaiyouka> ^
L316[04:07:29] <ThePsionic> I can only
have one icon :P
L317[04:07:37] <Wuppy> you can combine
both in 1 image
L318[04:07:39] <ThePsionic> But yeah a
compass is very good
L320[04:08:22] <Wuppy> not the best
compass :c
L321[04:08:29] <Wuppy> I'd go with one of
those fancy golden ones :P
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L323[04:09:05] <ThePsionic> I'm still
gonna use FontAwesome tho
L324[04:09:06] <ThePsionic> Now
L325[04:09:20] <ThePsionic> What kind of
icon for "skill(ing)"
L327[04:09:28] <GeoDoX> Any reason why
this is happening?
L328[04:09:32] <ThePsionic> or
"gathering"
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L330[04:09:50] <Wuppy> GeoDoX, if it's not
uv'd it's not textured as far as I know
L331[04:09:51] <GeoDoX> Why the corners of
the texture aren't showing?
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L333[04:10:04] <GeoDoX> it is, the uv's
are shown on the left
L335[04:10:34] <GeoDoX> here
L336[04:10:54] <Wuppy> hmm no clue
:<
L337[04:10:58] <Wuppy> not an artist
:P
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L340[04:13:21] <ThePsionic> Damnit
bootstrap
L341[04:13:35] <ThePsionic> You'd expect
three col-md-4 classes to be next to each other
L342[04:13:41] <ThePsionic> On the same
row
L344[04:15:58] <GeoDoX> Got it
L345[04:16:06] <Wuppy> \o/
L346[04:16:09] <Wuppy> good job :D
L347[04:16:23] <ThePsionic> ayy now it
works
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L349[04:17:58] <GeoDoX> gigaherz, you
here?
L350[04:17:58] <Kaiyouka> what's GeoDoX
even making?
L351[04:18:14] <Wuppy> arts
L352[04:18:23] <Kaiyouka> - _ -
L353[04:18:24] <GeoDoX> Kaiyouka, the
block is called a Particle Manipulator
L355[04:18:34] <Wuppy> Kaiyouka, I'm not
wrong :P
L356[04:18:40] <GeoDoX> For a mod I'm
working on :)
L357[04:18:44] <Kaiyouka> neat
L358[04:18:49] <Wuppy> ThePsionic, lemon
party?
L359[04:18:50] <Kaiyouka> I hope to one
day have time to work on mods again
L360[04:18:57] <ThePsionic> lol
L361[04:19:01] <GeoDoX> Cuz lemons?
L362[04:19:26] <GeoDoX> Thanks :)
Kai
L363[04:20:00] <GeoDoX> Anyone know if you
set the directions when you export the obj?
L364[04:20:18] <Kaiyouka> of course, by
the time I DO have time, my mods will be useless because the combat
update and beyond will have fucked up everything \o/
L365[04:20:37] <GeoDoX> Since Blender is Z
up/down, where mc is Y up/down
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L368[04:23:08] <GeoDoX> Also, does mc use
the .mtl file or just the .obj?
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L370[04:25:57] <ThePsionic> I just used
the sentence "Changed portfolio to be more
bootstrappy"
L371[04:26:50] <Kaiyouka> lol
L373[04:27:45] <Wuppy> ThePsionic, I'm
wondering, have you ever had the drink called Paardenkut?
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L375[04:27:59] <ThePsionic> You telling me
is the first time I've heard of it
L376[04:28:08] <Wuppy> do you even
studnet?
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L379[04:29:19] <ThePsionic> I don't
L380[04:29:43] <Wuppy> it's one of the
most popular student drinks
L381[04:29:46] <Wuppy> spa rood with
apfelkorn
L382[04:29:52] <Wuppy> so alcoholic apple
juice :P
L383[04:30:01] <Kaiyouka> ....
cider?
L384[04:30:20] <Wuppy> it tastes very
different from cider, but both are tasty
L385[04:30:35] <Kaiyouka> ah
L386[04:31:28] <Wuppy> also, it's cheaper
than cider in NL
L387[04:31:32] <ThePsionic> Kaiyouka: If
you were wondering, the name of the drink translates to horse
cunt
L388[04:31:44] <Kaiyouka> ...
L389[04:31:49] <Wuppy> yeah... the name is
somewhat surprising :P
L390[04:31:58] <ThePsionic> They're
students what did you expect
L391[04:31:59] <Wuppy> I did not come up
with that :P
L392[04:32:23] <Wuppy> I got a club to
have a special discount on them so now there is a sign there saying
5 horse vagina for 25 euros xD
L393[04:32:32] <Kaiyouka> The Netherlands
is weird
L394[04:32:40] <Wuppy> it sure is
L395[04:33:15] <Wuppy> but apfelkorn is
delicous
L396[04:33:22] <Wuppy> but too strong by
itself, so why not add some water
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L399[04:33:37] <Kaiyouka> Friggen boozers
:p
L400[04:33:57] <Kaiyouka> ... I say,
knowing full well that there is a good chance I'm drinking bourbon
in December
L401[04:34:09] <Wuppy> :o Kaiyouka
drinking :o
L402[04:34:28] <ThePsionic>
>apfelkorn
L403[04:34:33] <ThePsionic> >too strong
by itself
L404[04:34:36] <ThePsionic> pussy
L405[04:34:55] <CrystalMare> wtf
L406[04:34:59] <Wuppy> ThePsionic, I drink
stuff because it tastes good, not because of % so that's why I mix
it
L407[04:35:13] <ThePsionic> I definitely
take both into account
L408[04:35:15] <Kaiyouka> Wuppy: yup, the
things I do to entertain people for money
L409[04:35:28] <ThePsionic> It needs to
taste nice but I want to get absolutely hammere
L410[04:35:28] <Wuppy> have fun Kaiyouka
it's fun :P
L411[04:35:29] <ThePsionic> d
L412[04:35:38] <CrystalMare> I never get
to drink
L413[04:35:43] <CrystalMare> I'm always
the designated drver
L414[04:35:45] <CrystalMare> diver*
L415[04:35:47] <Wuppy> I specifically do
not want to get absolutely hammered
L416[04:35:49] <ThePsionic> lol
L417[04:35:54] <ThePsionic> designated
diver
L418[04:35:55] <ThePsionic> imagine
that
L419[04:36:07] <CrystalMare> I do smoke
weed though
L420[04:36:12] <ThePsionic> erry
day?
L421[04:36:13] <CrystalMare> After 3 hours
that shit is gone
L422[04:36:28] <CrystalMare> na man
L423[04:36:31] <CrystalMare> Not erry day
xd
L424[04:36:38] *
CrystalMare checks his jacket
L425[04:36:39] <Kaiyouka> Wuppy: it's only
a shot. I presume it will be 3 seconds of imbibing followed by 30
minutes of screaming in pain as my throat burns.
L426[04:36:42] <CrystalMare> Yeah, I have
1 blunt >_>
L427[04:36:47] <CrystalMare> God I Feel
like a stoner
L428[04:36:49] <Wuppy> lol Kaiyouka
L429[04:37:04] <ThePsionic> Kaiyouka: It's
worth a shot
L430[04:37:06] <ThePsionic>
huehehuheuehueehheu
L431[04:37:07] <Ordinastie> what's the
method to override in block to make sure the block doesn't let the
light go through ?
L432[04:37:09] <Wuppy> ThePsionic, why is
your goal to get hammered though?
L433[04:37:26] *
Kaiyouka slaps ThePsionic with an empty pizza box
L434[04:37:29] <Wuppy> Ordinastie, isn't
that default behavioiur?
L435[04:37:34] <ThePsionic> Wuppy: Why
else would I go out of my house
L436[04:37:40] <ThePsionic> If I go out, I
want it to be good
L437[04:37:48] <Ordinastie> yes, but for
some reason, my block keep letting light through :x
L438[04:38:01] <Wuppy> when I go out, the
best way to do it is by getting a good bit drunk and then have
fun
L439[04:38:08] <Wuppy> because being
completely drunk isn't worth the money
L440[04:38:17] <Wuppy> Ordinastie, perhaps
check the Glass block?
L441[04:38:18] <ThePsionic> You can have
fun and get hammered at the same time
L442[04:38:26] <ThePsionic> You just
wouldn't know you had fun ;)
L443[04:38:41] <Wuppy> because it probably
sets it to letting through in there to true, just inverse that and
it might work
L444[04:38:45] <Wuppy> ThePsionic, I want
to remember
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L446[04:39:24] <ThePsionic> Ordinastie:
isOpaqueCube should return true in your case
L447[04:39:36] <Wuppy> ^ that's the name
for it
L448[04:39:50] <Ordinastie> yeah, it
already return true :x
L449[04:40:02] <ThePsionic> rip
L450[04:40:08] <Wuppy> rip in
pepperoni
L451[04:41:21] <Ordinastie> stop talking
food!
L452[04:41:24] <Ordinastie> makes me
hungry :x
L453[04:41:51] <ThePsionic> Ordinastie: In
a moment I will be baking a ham and cheese omelette
L454[04:42:54] <Kaiyouka> I've got a pizza
sitting next to me :9
L455[04:43:05] <Ordinastie> rah fuck
L456[04:43:11] <Ordinastie> it's
lightOpacity
L457[04:43:21] <Ordinastie> that is set
from isOpaqueCube()
L458[04:44:00] <Ordinastie> but my
isOpaqueCube() returns fullBlock, that I set in my
constructor
L459[04:44:08] <Ordinastie> after
lightOpacity is set -_-
L460[04:44:20] <Ordinastie> stupid mojang
:x
L461[04:45:57] <ThePsionic> gg
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L466[05:34:24] <ThePsionic> Re-installing
Win10 on my desktop... takes a while
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L471[05:39:37] <Kaiyouka> god, I need a
new wi-fi adapter
L472[05:41:59] <Kaiyouka> And I already
dropped $70 on a new router too > _ <
L473[05:48:24] <Cazzar> Only $70? :P
L474[05:51:41] <Kaiyouka> I'm not entirely
made of money you know
L475[05:51:59] <Kaiyouka> it's
4.5-star-on-Amazon router :p
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L477[05:54:24] <Cypher121> I think mine
was 60 dollars and the only issue I've had is that all manuals are
Chinese-only T_T
L478[05:57:27] <Kaiyouka> lol
L479[05:58:10] <Kaiyouka> I love my new
router because I can broadcast a 5ghz network alongside the 2.4ghz
network
L480[05:58:26] <Kaiyouka> And if my
adapter actually SUPPORTED 5ghz, I'd be connected to it all by
myself
L481[05:58:49] <Kaiyouka> (I share the
2.4ghz band with housemates)
L483[05:59:16] <Cazzar> Kaiyouka: I know
that feeling, my router supports 5 GHz but I only have the phone
that can run on it
L484[06:00:39] <Kaiyouka> I think my most
favorite part, though, is that the firmware has proper QoS
support
L485[06:01:31] <Cypher121> dunno,
everything I have supports AC and PC is connected by ethernet, so
all bottlenecks are out of my control
L486[06:01:42] <Cypher121> *cough* Comcast
*cough*
L487[06:01:46] <Kaiyouka> a'yup
L488[06:01:58] <Kaiyouka> I had
XFinity/Comcast router+modem units for most of my time here
L489[06:02:01] <Kaiyouka> and they were
shit
L490[06:02:13] <Cypher121> seriously, how
did you americans manage to fuck up your comm industry so
hard?
L491[06:02:51] <Kaiyouka> Because when you
allow free enterprise and don't really put effort into
anti-monopoly laws, you end up with corporations who run everything
and can do whatever the fuck they want
L492[06:03:48] <Kaiyouka> I'm glad for the
QoS in the firmware because fuck my housemates.
L493[06:04:02] <Kaiyouka> use up every
last ounce of bandwidth
L494[06:04:06] <Cypher121> lol
L495[06:07:22] <Kaiyouka> I actually dread
when two of them move out in/after December
L496[06:07:48] <Kaiyouka> Because I'm
going to assume the replacements will be even WORSE
L497[06:10:09] <Cypher121> I'm trying to
make a liquid drop entity with custom trajectory. Will it be easier
to extend EntityFX or Entity directly?
L498[06:10:46] <Kaiyouka> probably
EntityFX maybe?
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L502[06:42:57] <Wuppy> ugh I fucking hate
skype
L503[06:43:03] <Wuppy> it's not even
working anymore
L504[06:43:17] <Wuppy> I dont know the
exact update number, but they managed to break everything
L505[06:46:32] <sham1> Thanks
microsoft
L506[06:46:49] <Wuppy> I am actually
impressed by how much they broke
L507[06:47:00] <Wuppy> they broke logins,
setting saving and skype calling
L508[06:47:27] <Wuppy> if only they'd hire
me, I'll be able to fix all of those things in 10 seconds, revert
to previous build
L509[06:47:28] <Wuppy> :P
L510[06:50:14] <sham1> But you can't
because you discover that Skype was not built upon unreal so you
don't know how to work with it
L511[06:50:40] <Wuppy> I don't care what
it's build with, reverting to an earlier build is easy enough
:P
L512[06:50:56] <Wuppy> I know SVN,
Perforce and Git so I doubt they use a different revisioning
system
L513[06:51:07] <Wuppy> also, I know
barebones C++ as well
L514[06:55:06] <sham1> Then realize that
because Microsoft it is Ms team foundation
L515[06:57:06] <Wuppy> sham1, I can always
just change the download link on the website :P
L516[06:57:21] <Kaiyouka> lol
L517[06:57:22] <sham1> :D
L518[06:57:34] <Cypher121> Wuppy: are you
sure MS uses any vcs at all?
L519[06:57:57] <Kaiyouka> I wonder if my
old job place swapped to using Team Foundation Server for version
control
L520[06:57:59] <Wuppy> any what
Cypher121?
L521[06:58:09] <Cypher121> version control
system
L522[06:58:11] <Wuppy> ah, version control
systems
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L524[06:58:24] <Wuppy> Cypher121, if they
didn't.... they'd be impressively stupid
L525[06:58:32] <Wuppy> although I would
show why skype is so messed up right now
L526[06:58:40] <Cypher121> I think they
just threw hdds with source code out of the window when they
purchased skype
L527[06:58:52] <Kaiyouka> I genuinely
wonder which would win in a battle: MS Team Foundation Server or
IBM Rational ClearCase
L528[07:00:13] <Kaiyouka> It's the shit
tier grand battle royale :D
L529[07:00:36] <Cazzar> Well, I just saved
my ass
L530[07:00:52] <Cazzar> Accidentally
overwrote a code file, and I had NO backups.
L531[07:01:07] <Wuppy> Cazzar, y u do
dis
L532[07:01:11] <Cazzar> Luckily, I had it
cached open, in an obscure way
L533[07:01:23] <Cazzar> "(Get-Module
-Name PathTools).Definition"
L534[07:01:24] <Wuppy> y u no vcs
L535[07:01:36] <Cazzar> Wuppy: it was in
it's infancy :P
L536[07:02:02] <Kaiyouka> no excuse
:p
L537[07:02:17] <Cazzar> I had a
backup!
L538[07:02:19] <Cazzar> kinda
L539[07:03:29] <Kaiyouka> lol
L540[07:04:34] <Kaiyouka> though, I guess
I should point out that just because you have vcs doesn't mean
you're automagically good to go
L541[07:04:43] <Kaiyouka> I almost
ragequit my last job because of the vcs
L542[07:04:52] <Wuppy> which did they
have?
L543[07:04:58] <Kaiyouka> IBM Rational
ClearCase
L544[07:05:05] <Wuppy> never heard of
it
L545[07:05:12] <Kaiyouka> Good
L546[07:05:20] <Wuppy> I expected an
answer like that :P
L547[07:05:43] <Kaiyouka> The thing about
ClearCase is that it's really not an intuitive software
L548[07:06:08] <Kaiyouka> It's okay if
you're one person or a few people
L549[07:06:26] <Kaiyouka> but if you have
dozens of people working across 20,000 files, ClearCase is
shit
L550[07:06:50] <Kaiyouka> Sometimes it
insists other people have hijacked a file when it's not the
case
L551[07:06:54] <Cazzar> Oh,
ClearCase
L552[07:06:57] <Wuppy> git starts giving
problems with 20000 files as well
L553[07:06:59] <Cazzar> Never used it,
though I know of it.
L554[07:07:08] <Kaiyouka> And trying to
resolve conflicts on merge is just no
L555[07:07:13] <Wuppy> perforce is best
vcs
L556[07:07:27] <Kaiyouka> Rational has its
own DiffMerge tool and I have no goddamn idea how it works
L557[07:07:48] <Kaiyouka> And just trying
to poke it resulted in my commits getting literally eaten
L558[07:08:19] <Wuppy> working for
nothing, that'd get me pissed off
L559[07:08:22] <Kaiyouka> Fortunately,
clearcase is anal about commits and saved some back-ups
L560[07:08:39] <Kaiyouka> but for a brief
moment, I about stood up and walked out
L561[07:09:58] <Kaiyouka> All I know is I
really don't want to go back to work there any time soon.
L562[07:10:48] <Cazzar> git does the
same
L563[07:11:02] <Cazzar> You technically,
always can reference a commit by it's SHA1
L564[07:11:09] <Wuppy> perforce is quite
anal, but in a great way
L565[07:11:37] <Wuppy> you cant commit
without a mesasge, which hapepns often with stupid designers and
artists
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L567[07:11:54] <Wuppy> and only 1 person
can check out a file at once
L568[07:12:04] <Wuppy> and you cant
save/edit without checking out
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L570[07:12:22] <Kaiyouka> That sucks
L571[07:12:26] <Wuppy> it's great
L572[07:12:32] <Kaiyouka> well,
depends
L573[07:12:59] <Wuppy> sometimes you'll
come across a file which is already open by someone else and you
cant really work on it
L574[07:13:04] <Wuppy> but it's better
than merge conflicts
L575[07:13:07] <Kaiyouka> When I was
working, we ran ClearCase in snapshot mode which let us have local
copies of all the files and we can hijack and freely edit.
L576[07:13:18] <Kaiyouka> Which is great
sometimes when you just wanna fuck around for bugfix and
triage
L577[07:13:39] <Kaiyouka> because you can
just unhijack the files if you don't wanna commit to the
branch
L578[07:13:55] <Kaiyouka> But when you're
actively working and your team lead keeps checking out the goddamn
files
L579[07:13:59] <Kaiyouka> ugh
L580[07:14:12] <Wuppy> you only check out
the file or 2 you work with
L581[07:14:18] <Wuppy> and you commit it
as soon as you're done
L582[07:14:24] <Kaiyouka> Tell that to
him
L583[07:14:26] <Kaiyouka> > _
>
L584[07:14:29] <Wuppy> him?
L585[07:14:35] <Kaiyouka> My team
lead
L586[07:14:41] <Kaiyouka> who'd check out
like half a dozen files at once
L587[07:14:58] <Wuppy> then he's just a
dumbass
L588[07:15:02] <sham1> Git > All
L589[07:15:05] <Kaiyouka> He's a smartass
dumbass
L590[07:15:22] <Kaiyouka> Must be nice to
have job security as a Programmer Analyst
L591[07:15:23] <Wuppy> sham1, no
L592[07:15:59] <sham1> Wuppy, yes
L593[07:16:08] <Wuppy> P4V > Git
L594[07:16:15] <Kaiyouka> Worrisome that
it's like impossible to get fired from that company
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L596[07:16:36] <Wuppy> sham1, have you
ever tried Perforce?
L597[07:16:52] <sham1> No
L598[07:16:59] <Wuppy> then you cannot
make a well informed decision
L599[07:17:06] <sham1> I dun need, I haz
git
L600[07:17:18] <Wuppy> also, almost all
big game development companies use Perforce \o/
L601[07:18:45] <sham1> And...?
L602[07:18:53] <Wuppy> that makes it
important to know
L603[07:19:02] <Kaiyouka> if you're into
game dev, anyway
L604[07:19:15] <Wuppy> and if most people
use it, there must be some (good) reason behind it
L605[07:19:26] <Wuppy> especially
considering git is free and perforce really expensive
L606[07:19:29] <Kaiyouka> That's a fallacy
if I ever did see one
L607[07:19:48] <sham1> Argumentum ad
populum
L608[07:20:07] <sham1> And argument from
authority
L609[07:20:11] <Kaiyouka> lol
L610[07:20:15] <Wuppy> :c
L611[07:20:21] <Wuppy> I'm not good at
this sort of stuff :P
L612[07:20:23] <mort_> hi
L613[07:20:27] <Wuppy> howdy mort
L614[07:20:28] <sham1> Hi
L615[07:20:35] <mort_> what's up?
L616[07:20:42] <sham1> I propably will try
perforce
L617[07:20:43] <Kaiyouka> The whole
"if lots of people do [x], then [x] must be good or
significant" thing is hilarious because it's easily debunked
with a single response
L618[07:20:59] <Wuppy> sham1, it's very
expensive though :<
L619[07:21:00] <sham1> Just to see what it
iffers
L620[07:21:05] <sham1> Ah
L621[07:21:22] <mort_> Kaiyouka: couldn't
one argue that [x] is significant purely due to the sheer amount of
people using it?
L622[07:21:37] <Wuppy> that's my opinion
as well
L623[07:21:43] <mort_> I completely agree
that it wouldn't necessarily be good (*cough*windows)
L624[07:21:46] <Wuppy> it might not be a
fact, but it's significant in some way
L625[07:22:32] <Kaiyouka> I appear to have
used the wrong word because it is 6:22 am and I cannot brain
L626[07:22:35] <sham1> Well while COBOL is
still significant in banking it does not make it automatically
good
L627[07:22:37] <Kaiyouka> OH WELL
L628[07:22:39] <mort_> also, I hae no idea
what you were discussing, just threw an opinion out there which may
or may not be appliccable in this context
L629[07:22:46] <Kaiyouka> lol
L630[07:22:51] <Wuppy> sham1, it still
makes it relevant though
L631[07:23:00] <sham1> True
L632[07:23:05] <Wuppy> mort_, that
perforce is better than git
L633[07:23:12] <Kaiyouka> What I was
trying to get at
L634[07:23:14] <sham1> Or vice versa
L635[07:23:41] <mort_> never tried or
heard of perforce
L636[07:23:55] <sham1> Me neither until
now
L637[07:24:13] <Kaiyouka> is that the
masses are not a barometer to be trusted because you have to
remember that a lot of people do stupid shit each year like hold
onto lit firecrackers or stuff jars up their butts.
L638[07:24:17] <Wuppy> makes sense, it's
very expensive and stuff
L639[07:24:44] <Wuppy> I agree Kaiyouka,
but after trying perforce, it's superior :D
L640[07:24:45] <sham1> Well from what I
read up from perforce
L641[07:25:00] <sham1> It is good at
storing for instance very large files
L642[07:25:29] <sham1> You can work git in
p4 repo
L643[07:25:34] <sham1> So that is
nice
L644[07:25:45] <mort_> wait, perforce
supports git
L645[07:25:47] <Wuppy> I did not know
that, that's very nice
L646[07:25:50] <mort_> which means it
isn't a competitor to git
L647[07:26:02] <mort_> which means saying
that perforce is better than git is nonsensible
L648[07:26:10] <mort_> did you mean
github?
L649[07:26:27] <Wuppy> mort_, giving
support for something does not make it not a competitor
L650[07:26:28] <mort_> from what I'm
reading, it seems more like a competitor to github than to
git
L651[07:26:45] <Wuppy> github is just a
server with git on it
L652[07:27:26] <Wuppy> and git and
perforce are both vcs
L653[07:28:18] <mort_> but perforce talks
a lot about how it is used with git, based on gitlab, has things to
do with gitswarm whatever that is, and its helix thing claims to be
a complete git ecosystem
L654[07:28:38] <mort_> not about how it's
an alternative to git or how it's a version control system
L655[07:28:55] <Cazzar> mort_: git
supports subversion.. that doesn't mean they don't compete
L656[07:28:59] <sham1> I think it is a
plugin that allows git to do stuff for perforce repo
L657[07:29:05] <Wuppy> exactly what Cazzar
said
L658[07:29:08] <sham1> Also, that
L660[07:29:26] <Cazzar> It's provided as a
transitioning tool
L661[07:30:12] <mort_> it talks an awful
lot about git and nothing about its own VCS though
L662[07:30:30] <Wuppy> it is it's own VCS
and it's amazing
L663[07:30:39] <Wuppy> take a look at
P4V
L664[07:30:57] <mort_> I'll take your word
for it, you know more about it than me
L665[07:31:37] <Cazzar> THEORETICALLY I
now should have a SCM backup of my work now
L666[07:31:39] <mort_> just odd that the
website mostly focuses on how it does things with git
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L668[07:31:43] <Cazzar> That I have also
documented it.
L670[07:32:25] <Cazzar> powershell is
actually rather nice to dev in.
L671[07:34:57] <gigaherz> GeoDoX: nope I
wasn't there. just woke up. ;P
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L673[07:35:51] <gigaherz> Cazzar: I don't
really agree with the verb-object naming convention XD
L674[07:36:07] <Cazzar> gigaherz: Blame
powershell :P
L675[07:36:22] <gigaherz> yeah
L676[07:36:33] <gigaherz> I was replying
to [14:32] (Cazzar): powershell is actually rather nice to dev
in.
L677[07:36:38] <gigaherz> not commenting
on the code
L678[07:36:39] <gigaherz> XD
L679[07:36:50] <gigaherz> the code simply
looks powershell-y
L680[07:36:53] <Cazzar> Did I say I was
talking about the code itself :P
L681[07:37:08] <Cazzar> I was just saying,
blame it for the Verb-Object notation
L682[07:37:16] <gigaherz> I am!
L683[07:37:20] <SkySom> I like it.
L684[07:37:27] <SkySom> Verb-Object works
well for me
L685[07:37:37] <gigaherz> I prefer no
dashes ;P
L686[07:37:48] <gigaherz> I'd have nothing
about GetPath ;P
L687[07:38:01] <gigaherz> against*
L688[07:38:03] <gigaherz> sorry just woke
up
L689[07:40:42] <Cazzar> Okay, I really
shouldn't attempt this
L690[07:40:58] <Cazzar> Because, I am
going to get EVERY reference Vaz added to the achievement
names.
L692[07:43:00] <Cazzar> Those, are ALL
vocaloid songs.
L693[07:43:29] <Kaiyouka> lol
L694[07:43:51] <Kaiyouka> I'm boycotting
that mod if the songs are all sung by Miku
L695[07:44:22] <Cazzar> Some are
L696[07:44:27] <Cazzar> Vaz likes a lot of
IA
L697[07:44:35] <Kaiyouka> I like Vaz,
then
L698[07:44:45] <Kaiyouka> IA's the
shit
L699[07:44:56] <Cazzar> One reason I like
IA is because, Lia
L700[07:45:04] <Kaiyouka> yup
L701[07:45:13] <Cazzar> Good, you know
Lia
L702[07:45:30] <Cazzar> hmm
L703[07:45:46] <Kaiyouka> speaking of Lia,
I'm gonna listen to the Charlotte OP
L704[07:45:59] <Cazzar> I was looking to
see if there was an IA cover of Heartily Song
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L707[07:46:50] <Kaiyouka> I might have to
watch Charlotte at some point
L708[07:46:56] <Kaiyouka> if I ever have
THE TIME
L709[07:48:03] <Cazzar> I need to as
well
L710[07:48:08] <Cazzar> maybe when I get
home tomorrow..
L711[07:48:27] <Cazzar> also, is it bad I
know what the redacted word is here? "I can take off my
(redacted)"
L712[07:48:37] <Kaiyouka> lolwut
L713[07:49:04] <Cazzar> Just, look up
Kagamine Rin I can take off my on youtube and you will see.
L714[07:49:19] <Cazzar> I would advise
against doing so at work
L715[07:49:26] <Kaiyouka> Oh, that
song
L716[07:49:32] <Cazzar> It's a song, yes,
though the name along
L717[07:49:36] <Cazzar> alone*
L718[07:49:47] <Kaiyouka> That was a weird
song
L719[07:50:09] <Kaiyouka> (I actually have
listened to this song a long time ago)
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L721[07:58:27] <Kaiyouka> oh shoot
7am
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L726[08:08:57] <Cazzar> If I was bored, I
could make a massive list of this
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L736[08:51:27] <ThePsionic> rofl
Cazzar
L737[08:52:12] <Cazzar> Those are the ones
I got within 20 seconds of actual kg reading it.
L738[08:52:59] <ThePsionic>
achievement.botania:desuGun.desc=ASADA-SAN ASADA-SAN ASADA-SAN
ASADA-SAN ASADA-SAN ASADA-SAN ASADA-SAN ASADA-SAN ASADA-SAN
ASADA-SAN ASADA-SAN ASADA-SAN
L739[08:53:00] <ThePsionic> wat
L740[08:55:01] <Cazzar> Not a clue
L741[08:56:09] <ThePsionic> Anyway
L742[08:56:18] <ThePsionic> I found the
most stupid GitHub Issues comment ever
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L746[09:08:44] <SkySom> I do like how he's
willing to just break stuff just to add a name.
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L748[09:09:52] <ThePsionic> ikr
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L750[09:10:58] <SkySom> I mean yeah Forge
has broke backwards stuff before. But it was for stuff like fixing
Fluids.
L751[09:11:01] <SkySom> Not adding a
name...
L752[09:11:27] <gigaherz> wouldn't that PR
break every single mod ever created that doesn't have an explicit
"pretty name"?
L753[09:11:31] <sham1> Fixing fluids is a
good thing
L754[09:11:40] <Unh0ly_Tigg> I wonder if
forge for 1.8.8 will bring the change lex mentioned at
minecon...
L755[09:12:08] <gigaherz> which
change?
L756[09:12:38] <Cazzar> gigaherz はい
L757[09:12:51] <sham1> It bring
japanese?
L758[09:13:03] <gigaherz> I can't read
asian characters ;P
L759[09:13:09] <Cazzar> That's yes in
Japanese.
L760[09:13:39] <Cypher121> so you replied
"yes" to "which change?"
L761[09:14:05] <sham1> Which change
L762[09:14:06] <SkySom> Yeah Fixing Fluids
was important.
L763[09:14:17] <SkySom> Names for users...
Not so much.
L764[09:14:25] <Cazzar> Cypher121 what
comment did gigaherz make that fits having a boolean response
better?
L765[09:14:32] <SkySom> Would it be a nice
thing to add for 1.9, maybe.
L766[09:14:46] <Cazzar> TL;DR common
sense.
L767[09:14:52] <SkySom> But that point
everything would already need at once a one over to make sure it
works.
L768[09:14:53] <sham1> names for users is
still nice to have
L769[09:14:56] <sham1> But not
forced
L770[09:15:26] <Cypher121> oh, I only
noticed 1 message
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L772[09:16:01] <SkySom> I mean I could see
it being forced. Just not in a way that is gonna break
things.
L773[09:16:28] <gigaherz> I see no
point
L774[09:16:38] <gigaherz> like
L775[09:16:55] <Cypher121> the only way I
see that will force it, but not break it on users' side is making
it a compilation requirement
L776[09:17:01] <gigaherz> suppose I made a
mod that adds a few dozen different types of flowers
L777[09:17:04] <gigaherz> and I just call
it "flowers"
L778[09:17:17] <gigaherz> there's no need
for me to have an explicit display name
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L780[09:17:22] <gigaherz> different than
the modid
L781[09:17:28] <Cypher121> isn't that
called Botania?
L782[09:17:38] <gigaherz> no, botania adds
MAGICAL flowers
L783[09:17:38] <gigaherz> ;p
L784[09:17:46] <gigaherz> anyhow
L785[09:17:49] <gigaherz> it was a random
example
L786[09:18:22] <gigaherz> but yeah,
something like Botania, Thaumcraft, has 0 need to have both a modid
string, and a display name
L787[09:18:39] <gigaherz> and anything
that purposefuilly WANTS to be stylized as a single word without
spaces
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L789[09:18:49] <sham1> Well that is
because their modID is their name
L790[09:18:53] <gigaherz> sure
L791[09:19:23] <sham1> But for something
like my mod, I'd rather have the modID be "fcraft" than
"FluidCraft" that it should be if I cannot have a
separate name for my thing
L792[09:19:35] <gigaherz> no one is
removing the name
L793[09:19:39] <sham1> Ah
L794[09:20:01] <gigaherz> normally
forge(fml) uses the modid as a name
L795[09:20:05] <gigaherz> if a name isn't
provided explicitly
L796[09:20:15] <gigaherz> that PR proposes
removing this default
L797[09:20:23] <gigaherz> and making it
mandatory to include the name parameter in the @Mod
L798[09:20:35] <sham1> Yeah I know
L799[09:20:57] <gigaherz> so I say that I
see no point in requiring it
L800[09:21:00] <gigaherz> and I see many
points against
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L803[09:23:50] <gigaherz> a red person
wearinga white cape, while free-falling
L804[09:24:03] <Wuppy> I honestly have no
clue
L805[09:24:05] <Wuppy> red scissors
L806[09:24:32] <ThePsionic> Wow you're all
terrible at this
L807[09:24:39] <Wuppy> OR
L808[09:24:42] <Wuppy> another
option
L809[09:24:45] <Unh0ly_Tigg> hint?
L810[09:24:51] <ThePsionic> Unh0ly_Tigg:
space
L811[09:24:54] <Wuppy> your texturing
skills are not as good as you think it is
L812[09:25:02] <sham1> Space ship
L813[09:25:02] <ThePsionic> I know they
aren't, Wuppy
L814[09:25:07] <ThePsionic> Which makes
this game even more fun
L815[09:25:12] <ThePsionic> Nope
sham1
L816[09:25:15] <Wuppy> portal gun
L817[09:25:20] <ThePsionic> nop
L818[09:25:27] <Unh0ly_Tigg> meteor shower
related item?
L819[09:25:28] <sham1> a horn
L820[09:25:31] <ThePsionic> nop and
nop
L821[09:25:32] <Wuppy> yo momma
L822[09:25:36] <Wuppy> :P
L823[09:25:37] <ThePsionic> pls
L824[09:25:47] <Unh0ly_Tigg> another
hint?
L825[09:25:55] <ThePsionic> Unh0ly_Tigg:
nomnomnom
L826[09:25:56] <shadekiller666> a
cone?
L827[09:25:58] <ThePsionic> nope
L828[09:26:03] <Unh0ly_Tigg> food
packet
L829[09:26:06] <Wuppy> space food
L830[09:26:08] <Wuppy> space bacon
L831[09:26:09] <Wuppy> space pig
L832[09:26:15] <shadekiller666> frosting
tube
L833[09:26:16] <ThePsionic> Wuppy: The
first one was correct
L834[09:26:22] <ThePsionic> It's a tube of
astronaut food
L835[09:26:29] <shadekiller666> ...
L836[09:26:38] <Wuppy> 1. how is that a
tubne
L837[09:26:39] <gigaherz> yo ureally need
more detail there ;P
L838[09:26:41] <ThePsionic> Hey, I never
said I was *good* at texturing
L839[09:26:43] <Wuppy> 2. how should we've
guessed
L840[09:26:46] <shadekiller666> you have
terrible texturing skills
L841[09:26:50] <ThePsionic> I know
L842[09:26:51] <ThePsionic> Thanks
L843[09:26:58] <ThePsionic> But, in my
defenct
L844[09:27:00] <ThePsionic> defence*
L845[09:27:03] <ThePsionic>
"Placeholder"
L846[09:27:24] <shadekiller666> mhmm sure
it is
L847[09:27:40] <shadekiller666> inb4 that
texture is still in use a year from now
L848[09:27:59] <ThePsionic> Knowing
myself, yes
L849[09:28:00] <SkySom> inb4 texture is
never changed
L850[09:28:41] <Unh0ly_Tigg> well, that's
what happened with the inventory textures...
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L856[09:40:37] <AtomicStryker> yo, can any
of you name me some java tool with a gui (criteria is it has some
buttons to push, maybe some text fields...)
L857[09:40:50] <AtomicStryker> something
like jEdit
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L863[09:46:29] <sham1> IT'S ALIVE
L864[09:46:36] <ThePsionic> sham1: WHAT IS
IT THOUGH
L865[09:46:43] <ThePsionic> i know what it
is I just wonder whether you know
L866[09:46:47] <sham1> It is an apple with
eyes
L867[09:46:53] <ThePsionic> close but no
cigar
L868[09:46:58] <shadekiller666> le
crab
L869[09:47:12] <ThePsionic>
shadekiller666: if only you and sham1 would have combined
efforts
L870[09:47:16] <ThePsionic> it's a crab
apple
L871[09:47:29] <shadekiller666> ba dum
tish
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L882[10:13:31] <Commodore64> I've recently
come to the conclusion that before making a mod that changes
spawnrules, I should probably do some more java immersion
first
L883[10:13:46] <Commodore64> has anyone
followed these tutorials?
L885[10:14:40] <Thutmose> does anyone have
an example of how to register a fluid block to use the forge fluid
renderer?
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L891[10:32:43] <ThePsionic> tfw someone
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L893[10:36:05] <Thutmose> so the
ModelFluidDebug mod uses this: new
ModelResourceLocation(MODID.toLowerCase() + ":" +
TestFluidBlock.name, "fluid") for the fluid location,
then has a "TestFluidBlock.name".json in blockstates, but
that is only thing in resources. I tried doing similar, with just
changing the name of the json, and the fluid in the custom tag, but
it says this on load: "Model definition for location
thutconcrete:asphalt#fluid not found"
L894[10:37:07] <Thutmose> the
ModelFluidDebug mod doesn't have anything else in the resources
besides the one json in blockstates, and I have the same formatted
ModelResourceLocation used for the two places it is used in that
mod
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L898[10:48:28] <LexManos> Look at the
json, it defines 'fluid' and 'gass' -.-
L899[10:48:40] <LexManos> fairly straight
forward if you spend 10 seconds to look
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L904[10:51:51] <Thutmose> and the
ModelResourceLocation I used is: fluidLocation = new
ModelResourceLocation( ThutConcreteReference.MOD_ID +
":asphalt", "fluid");
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L907[11:00:04] <Thutmose> has anyone other
than ModelFluidDebug managed to get a fluid rendering with the
forge fluid renderer?
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L926[12:07:43] <MattDahEpic> !gm
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L933[12:25:29] <MattDahEpic> is the
FMLFingerprintViolationEvent called for ALL mods if ANY mod has a
missing signature?
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L936[12:25:52] <MattDahEpic> or only the
signature-less mod?
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L944[12:38:27] <AbrarSyed> MattDahEpic,
signature checking on each mod as it loads
L945[12:38:42] <AbrarSyed> that method is
called for all LOADED mods, when the next mod is missing a
requested signature.
L946[12:39:11] <AbrarSyed> if my mod loads
first, and your mod laods second.. I get a method call becuase
yours doesnt have signature. But nobody got a messag ecall if I
dont have a signature.
L947[12:39:16] <AbrarSyed> *method
call
L948[12:39:34] <MattDahEpic> cool
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L950[12:42:26] <Unh0ly_Tigg> what I want
to know is, if you have to include the class annotated with @Mod
when you generate signatures, and then that signature value is
injected into said class, doesn't that change the classes
signature? do you just keep repeating that until the signature
doesn't change?
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L955[12:51:09] <AbrarSyed> Unh0ly_Tigg,
you store the fingerperint. Your key has a unique fingerprint sued
to identify it, when somthing is signed, it can be
cryptographically analyzed to find the fingerprint and thus verify
the author
L956[12:52:22] <AbrarSyed> the @mod shoudl
have the fingerpritn hardcoded. The signing takes hashes of all
your classes and signs them with your secret key. FML then checks
said signature to see if it has the fingerprint you hardcoded into
the @mod.
L957[12:52:51] <diesieben07> its
basically.... you encrypt (=sign) something with your private key.
the fact that it can then be unlocked with yyour public key PROOVES
that is was you who signed it
L958[12:53:12] <AbrarSyed> if either the
signing is missing/broken (someone modified the classes), or the
fingerprint doesnt match yours (someone else signed?) then itl fail
and call the wrongFingerprint method or wtvr
L959[12:55:29] <AbrarSyed> anyways.. the
bottom line is that its all circumventable.. and its not all that
hard either.. and so its pointless. Unless you wanna verify that
someone is using the build YOU distributed (verifyable by your
signature) and not some otehr version.
L960[12:56:06] <AbrarSyed> its impossible
to force someone to use your signed version unless you have some
external program that they are forced to use that can verify your
signature.
L961[12:56:08] <Unh0ly_Tigg> what I'm
saying is, how does injecting the fingerprint into the annotation
in the file not affect the hash value for that class?
L962[12:56:18] <diesieben07> you inject
the fingerprint BEFORE hashing
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L964[12:56:24] <AbrarSyed> ^
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L966[12:56:41] <AbrarSyed> every private
key has a fingerprint, its not generated by the signing process or
anything
L967[12:56:51] <Unh0ly_Tigg> oh, so the
finger print has little to do with the hashes... ok
L968[12:57:23] <diesieben07> what i am
wondering...
L969[12:57:27] <AbrarSyed> your
fingerprint is your identity as a person who can sign stuff. thats
all it is. multiple mods can have the same fingerprint if its from
the same author.
L970[12:57:44] <AbrarSyed> bu no 2 people
should have the same fingerprint
L971[12:57:47] <diesieben07> couldn't you
like... sign the hashes of all classes with your private key and
put it in the meta inf
L972[12:57:59] <AbrarSyed> lol, thats
basically what the jarsigner does..
L973[12:58:12] <diesieben07> how is that
easily foolable then? :D
L974[12:58:18] <AbrarSyed> hence the whole
thing about deleting the META-INF whenever you modded old MC with
new classes
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L976[12:58:33] <diesieben07> like...
L977[12:58:50] <AbrarSyed> once its one
someones computer, its completely up to them to remove the signing
signatrue and stuff. WHat then?
L978[12:58:51] <diesieben07> yeah it only
works if it wont load unless its signed
L979[12:58:58] <AbrarSyed> ^
L980[12:59:14] <AbrarSyed> what if the
user just signs it with their own signature after modifying
it..
L981[12:59:24] *
diesieben07 hates circular problems like tis in
security
L982[12:59:37] <AbrarSyed> it comes down
to the fact that you need a trusted platform to have any security
at all. And MC just doesnt have it...
L983[12:59:41] <diesieben07> yea
L984[12:59:49] <Unh0ly_Tigg> and couldn't
a coremod remove the annotation data of a @Mod annotation from a
normal mod if it chose to?
L985[13:00:11] <AbrarSyed> unless forge
starts going arround signing peoples keys so that nothing can be
used with forge unless its been signed by forges key... but then
someone can just remove that part of forge, and recompile it
themselves...
L986[13:00:30] <AbrarSyed> yeah coremods
also kill any and all security...
L987[13:00:50] <AbrarSyed> never at any
time can you save your software from what the user might do.
L988[13:00:55] <diesieben07> abrar, that
would would require people to use that modified version of
forge
L989[13:01:00] <diesieben07> this is not
about users, really
L990[13:01:20] <diesieben07> this is about
other people injecting malicious stuff into your mod and putting it
up for download
L991[13:01:30] <AbrarSyed> there is
nothing you can do....
L992[13:01:38] <diesieben07> i know
:D
L993[13:02:04] <AbrarSyed> unless your mod
just doesnt work without a required server component.. but that
wont stop a malicious fake.. so yeah...
L994[13:02:18] <diesieben07> you can't
program trust.
L995[13:02:59] <AbrarSyed> well, you can
do SOME things... I mean.. we could make a tweaker that starts
before anything and forces everytone to be signed and by valid keys
etc.. and popup to the user that XYZ mod is unsigned etc
L996[13:03:14] <AbrarSyed> but thats about
it.. and its unlikely that oneone would use something so
annoying
L997[13:03:43] <diesieben07> signing only
makes sense if not everyone can generate thier own
certificate
L999[13:04:24] <AbrarSyed> not true. you
can have a single trusted root certificate, similar to the way
HTTPS signing authorities work
L1000[13:04:48] <diesieben07> SSL works
by having ttrusted parties that give out certificates
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L1002[13:04:57] <diesieben07> you can
still make your own
L1003[13:05:11] <diesieben07> but then
you have NO way to know that that guy who says he's googleis
actually googl
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L1005[13:05:28] <AbrarSyed> so I would
have to make a mod that only trusts things signed by a trusted
authority (me), and it would only be able to run mods whos authors
keys I have signed
L1006[13:05:56] <diesieben07> so everyone
has to send their mods to you and geet the back signed?
L1007[13:05:58] <diesieben07> sounds
fun.
L1008[13:05:59] <diesieben07> -.-
L1009[13:06:05] <Unh0ly_Tigg> but then
it's up to the end user to actually use that mod
L1010[13:06:21] <AbrarSyed> nono, they
get their KEYS signed by me. so anything they sign with their key
is backed by my root key. like HTTPS
L1011[13:06:42] <diesieben07> isnt that
what I just said?
L1012[13:06:46] <AbrarSyed> your ssl key
is backed by the CA's root key, and is trusted by anything that
trusts the CAs key.
L1013[13:07:04] <diesieben07> just that
int he "real world" of HTTPS and SSL the certificates are
given out by not one but more than one
L1014[13:07:07] <AbrarSyed> they dont
send me their mod. I sign and certificate them as an author, and
they sign their owns mods and live hapily ever after.
L1015[13:07:46] <Unh0ly_Tigg> one of
these days, I chould clean my gradle cache and reconfigure the
gradle projects I actually use...
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L1017[13:07:47] <diesieben07> yeah that
is how HTTPS works.
L1018[13:07:59] <AbrarSyed> most clients
just have a list of trusted CAs..
L1019[13:08:05] <diesieben07> I
know.
L1020[13:08:16] <diesieben07> and in the
case you described that list would have 1 entry: you.
L1021[13:08:28] <AbrarSyed> yes
exactly
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L1023[13:09:12] <diesieben07> as i said,
you cannot code trust
L1024[13:09:22] <AbrarSyed> of course
this is all pointless becuase the user could 1) not use my mod 2)
get a malicious version of said mod that simply doesnt work 3) gets
a malicious version of this mod that allows malicious content under
the guise of trusted signed content
L1025[13:09:37] <AbrarSyed> which is the
root of the problem...
L1026[13:10:12] <Unh0ly_Tigg> and the
only way to prevent that from happening is to not make *anything*
public...
L1027[13:10:13] <diesieben07> i do not
see how 3 is possible.
L1028[13:10:38] <Unh0ly_Tigg> 2 is a more
broad version of 3
L1029[13:10:46] <AbrarSyed> if they are
editting my mod, it would be trivial to add a second figerprint to
check for, which would be the virus authors fingerprint, which
would allow 'signed' yet malicious mods
L1030[13:11:10] <diesieben07> except the
guy editing is not you and hence cannot sign shit as you.
L1031[13:11:11] <AbrarSyed> where #2 is
the equivalent of commentng out the if statement
L1032[13:11:12] <TehNut|Sleep> So in 1.8,
doesOreNameExist() isn't a thing. What would be better: Using
reflection to write my own version or using
getOres(String).isEmpty()?
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L1034[13:11:27] <diesieben07> and unless
the authority allows "guy editing" to sign stuff...
L1035[13:11:42] <diesieben07> but then
the mod would be marked as "by guy editing" not "by
original guy who made the mod"
L1036[13:12:21] <AbrarSyed> its the
circular problem again, my 'security mod' wouldnt be able to check
itself.
L1037[13:12:56] <diesieben07> assuming
the security mod is forge
L1038[13:13:15] <diesieben07> then yes
you cannot prevent people from downloading forge from somewhere
else
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L1040[13:15:29] <AbrarSyed> well, if the
security mod is a tweaker that starts before forge, it can verify
forge... just not itself.
L1041[13:16:12] <AbrarSyed> might be able
to have forge check for said security tweaker, but what if the
whole stack is compromised? a whole compromised modpack?
L1042[13:16:41] <AbrarSyed> hmm.. this is
getting more viable.. a whole compromized modpack is a much larger
barier to entry for a hacker...
L1043[13:16:46] <diesieben07> you cant
fix PEBCAK
L1044[13:16:47] <AbrarSyed> rather than a
single compromozied mod..
L1045[13:16:53] <Unh0ly_Tigg> and then
down the rabbit hole we go
L1046[13:17:01] <diesieben07> wait why
did i put a K there
L1047[13:17:11] <AbrarSyed> so every mod
that I verify,. has to in turn verify me for all this to
work..
L1048[13:17:13] <diesieben07> well, both
works
L1049[13:17:25] <AbrarSyed> and only then
will we get some security...
L1050[13:17:30] <Unh0ly_Tigg> Problem
Exists Between Chair And Keyboard, diesieben07
L1051[13:17:32] <AbrarSyed> and just a
teeny bit
L1052[13:17:39] <diesieben07> yeah yeah i
know
L1053[13:17:56] <AbrarSyed> I feel its
unlikely for someone to install a whole modpack from a compromized
source...
L1054[13:18:03] <diesieben07> i typed it
and then thougth "wait shouldnt it be between chair and
computer? why K?"
L1055[13:18:07] <diesieben07> then i
realized keyboard.
L1056[13:18:18] <Unh0ly_Tigg> heh,
circular security solves circular issues of security...
L1057[13:18:28] <diesieben07> abrar,
modpack usually comes trough a launcher. launcher = one compromised
download
L1058[13:18:47] <Unh0ly_Tigg> I've never
heard of pebcac... only pebcak
L1059[13:18:52] <AbrarSyed> so
compromised launcher.. those are a whole nother issue we have no
control over
L1060[13:19:19] <Unh0ly_Tigg> force
forge/mod to check for mojang launcher.
L1061[13:19:32] <AbrarSyed> I was
thinking the idiot trying to download EE3 gets it off
uberMinecraftDownloads.com, and tries to load it into their MC
instance.. only to have it stoppe dby said security mod.
L1062[13:19:50] <diesieben07> yea
L1063[13:19:57] <diesieben07> which
requires them to have tht security mod installed :P
L1064[13:20:09] <AbrarSyed> which could
be enforced by the mods they want to install requiring it.
L1065[13:20:11] <diesieben07> which he
would logically also get from stupidsite.com
L1066[13:20:17] <AbrarSyed> not
always
L1067[13:20:34] <AbrarSyed> they might
just wanna add 1 extra mod to their legit FTB pack
L1068[13:20:43] <Unh0ly_Tigg> have it be
done via a method similar to chickenbone's deploader.
L1069[13:20:49] <diesieben07> hmm
L1070[13:21:26] <Unh0ly_Tigg> runtime
downloading from source, which the location is encrypted.
L1071[13:21:31] <AbrarSyed> launchers
like multiMC can be written in C++ and stuff.. nothing we can do
about those.. short of SELinux or an antivirus
L1072[13:21:36] <diesieben07> kill
it!
L1073[13:22:17] *
AbrarSyed has half a mind to actually make such a security mod
now..
L1074[13:22:50] <AbrarSyed> along with a
seperate utility that can check and verify all the mods you got
without running MC at all, and teling you which ones are
compromised
L1075[13:23:22] <Unh0ly_Tigg> well,
considering that I can technically get around the fml security
manager and close mc when I want without fml redirecting the close
call...
L1076[13:23:55] <Unh0ly_Tigg> web utility
via https.
L1077[13:24:31] <Unh0ly_Tigg> upload the
mod files (without executing them), and check them on a server out
of the end users control
L1078[13:24:57] <AbrarSyed> sounds a lot
like an antirvirus...
L1079[13:25:21] <AbrarSyed> could
probably do that with client-side js.. thanks to the keybase GPG js
libs
L1080[13:26:01] <Unh0ly_Tigg> but how
would you access the files from js, I doubt that the browser would
let you access them.
L1081[13:26:40] <Unh0ly_Tigg> also,
technically, that could fall prey to a mitm attack, if the attack
was done right...
L1082[13:26:51] <AbrarSyed> not with
https
L1083[13:27:14] <AbrarSyed> well, we have
2 options.
L1084[13:27:24] <diesieben07> about
accessing them, as long as you can get the user to drag&drop
their mods folder you are good
L1085[13:27:39] <Unh0ly_Tigg> you'd be a
fool to think that https is 100% secure 100% of the time...
L1086[13:27:44] <AbrarSyed> 1) we have a
program the user downloads and runs, and it tells them what is
compromised. like an anti-mod-virus
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L1088[13:28:16] <AbrarSyed> 2) a website
where the user uploads (or gives the browser basically) the mods
folder or individual mods to check
L1089[13:28:26] <AbrarSyed> Unh0ly_Tigg,
how would you MITM that?
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L1091[13:28:44] <AbrarSyed> short of
having a compromised browser?
L1092[13:29:28] <Unh0ly_Tigg> hack in a
proxy between the computer and the server. it's not easy, and it's
unlikely, but it's not *impossible*
L1093[13:30:07] <AbrarSyed> thats exactly
what https was designed to stop
L1094[13:30:20] <AbrarSyed> the hacked
proxy wouldnt have the valid SSL certificate, and would fail
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L1096[13:30:44] <Unh0ly_Tigg> unless it
could mimic it some how.
L1097[13:31:03] <Unh0ly_Tigg> or proxy
the CA servers too
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L1101[13:34:17] <AbrarSyed> I think thats
unlikely, expecially since thats exactly the problem SSL and https
were designed to mitigate...
L1102[13:35:07] <AbrarSyed> the browser
isnt supposed to hit the CA servers, it has a list of the keys and
it just validates for signatures.
L1103[13:36:04] <AbrarSyed> a properly
configured ssl website shopuld also provide any intermediate keys
to ensure the whole certificat echain all the way back to the CA
exists and is valid. ANd its the browsers job to verify all of that
with its CA root certificate list
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L1105[13:36:24] <AbrarSyed> even the OS
has a part in this...
L1106[13:36:55] <AbrarSyed> anywyas.. so
you guys think anyone will want to force a circular dependency on
some security-tweaker that attempts to ensure security?
L1107[13:37:50] <AbrarSyed> it would
definitely slow down start times a bit
L1108[13:38:08] <shadekiller666> a
bit?
L1109[13:38:16] <shadekiller666> that
sounds like a launch nightmare
L1110[13:39:06] <shadekiller666> security
is nice, but i feel like a lot of mod users would be more upset
that the game takes an extra minute to launch than they would be
happy about the security
L1111[13:39:26] <AbrarSyed> I dont think
it would take that long
L1112[13:39:41] <AbrarSyed> may be
noticable, but not a whole minute
L1113[13:39:58] <Unh0ly_Tigg> depends on
the users hardware
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L1115[13:40:14] <AbrarSyed> it would
start before forge, verify forge, and then use FMLs way of
verification to verify all the other jars.
L1116[13:40:15] <SSBlur_> Eh, I may have
to agree with shadekiller here, people tend to dislike longer load
times.
L1117[13:40:52] <Unh0ly_Tigg> it would be
slow on a pentium, but fast on an i7, and I know a lot of the
minecraft community tends towards the pentium end of that
scale...
L1118[13:41:08] <SSBlur_> Especially if
it impacts smaller packs around as much as larger ones, that could
be a very noticeable footprint to users of smaller packs.
L1119[13:41:24] <AbrarSyed> it might
be
L1120[13:41:38] <diesieben07> honestly,
this does not sound like kinda thing to attack about load
times.
L1121[13:41:39] <Unh0ly_Tigg> and getting
it to O(n) would be interesting.
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L1123[13:41:48] <AbrarSyed> no idea till
we can get a protorype and test
L1125[13:42:33] <shadekiller666> if it
can be made to run quick, and be predictable in what it finds
valid, and doesn't require much input from the user i think it
would be interesting to try
L1126[13:43:03] <shadekiller666> and the
number of false invalidities being low
L1127[13:43:35] <AbrarSyed> update
checkers are a problem of their own.. especially when the update
json or something doesnt exist and it waits for the HTTP timeout of
like 10 seconds..
L1128[13:43:35] <SSBlur_> Aye, I guess
that is fair.
L1129[13:43:56] <AbrarSyed> there will be
no such thing as a false invalidity. validity is very
black/white
L1130[13:44:23] <SSBlur_> I don't get why
people don't run update checkers in seperate threads, if at
all.
L1131[13:44:34] <shadekiller666> and the
process of validating your mod would have to be easy, and
fast
L1132[13:44:40] <AbrarSyed> the
additional problem would be geting mod authors on board to get the
circular on the security tweaker.
L1133[13:45:21] <AbrarSyed> thats the
biggest problem that I see... nobody wants to force everyone to get
ANOTHER extra required mod to play..
L1134[13:45:41] <shadekiller666> this
would likely have to be part of forge
L1135[13:45:47] <AbrarSyed> and if they
have SEMC (security enhanced minecraft) versions, and non-SEMC
versions of their mod.. that defeats the whole purpose
L1136[13:46:06] <shadekiller666>
otherwise nothing would run and everyone would get very angry and
cause a shit storm...
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L1138[13:46:14] <SSBlur_> Yeah, that does
seem like a problem.
L1139[13:46:17] <AbrarSyed> I think its
easier to have a mod verify a specific other mod, rather than to
verify all of forge...
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L1142[13:47:05] <shadekiller666> making
mod users download ANOTHER mod is a death sentence
L1143[13:47:13] <shadekiller666> thats
been proven multiple times
L1144[13:47:42] <AbrarSyed> SEMC would be
a seperate thing people have to download, thats an unavoidable
fact.
L1145[13:47:49] *
AbrarSyed has given it a name now.. SEMC...
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L1147[13:48:37] <Unh0ly_Tigg> or MCSE:
Minecraft Security Essentials... /s
L1148[13:49:23] <gabizou|laptop> and I'm
guessing it's out of the question for a tweaker to auto download
the security mod
L1149[13:49:29] <AbrarSyed> if SEMC was
compromised, that would have to be a game breaker, otherwise there
is no seuciryt gained, similar to the FMLs current signature
checking which relies on mods checking each other.
L1150[13:49:33] <gabizou|laptop> like
thaumcraft does?
L1151[13:49:35] <AbrarSyed> so I was
thinking this..
L1152[13:49:44] <AbrarSyed> the security
mod would consist of a wteaker, and 2 actual mods, all in 1
jar.
L1153[13:50:14] <AbrarSyed> the tweaker
would start and verify fml/forge/ll or whwtaver, and then inject
its own mod into the laod process, which would use FMLs signature
checking to validate all the other mods subsequently laoded.
L1154[13:50:39] <AbrarSyed> the 3rd mod
would load last, and would be the thing all the actual mods should
verify to ensure that SEMC/MCSE isnt compomised itself
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L1156[13:51:09] <AbrarSyed> ok maybe not
all these 3 in 1 jar.. but in an installer that would make all of
them come in a package together....
L1157[13:51:37] <AbrarSyed> that way we
get a nice full-circle ring of security.
L1158[13:51:54] <shadekiller666> so all
mods would have to explicitly have code to validate?
L1159[13:52:11] <AbrarSyed> yeah, thats
like 3 lines by my estimation.. but yeah
L1160[13:52:42] <shadekiller666>
hmmm
L1161[13:52:44] <AbrarSyed> if the burden
of security is on a single platform, then if that platform is
compromised, everything is.
L1162[13:52:59] <AbrarSyed> single point
of failiure and all that... it has to be a web of trust, of
sorts...
L1163[13:53:21] <shadekiller666> would
each mod also have to check validity of all others?
L1164[13:53:30] <AbrarSyed> no it
would.
L1165[13:53:42] <AbrarSyed> each mod
would check the validity of the 'validity checker mod' which checks
all others
L1166[13:54:21] <shadekiller666> what
happens on the event that one is found to not be valid?
L1167[13:54:35] <Unh0ly_Tigg> crash
report!
L1168[13:54:47] <AbrarSyed> popup,
"UNSIGNED UNTRUSTED MOD XXYYZZ!"
L1169[13:54:58] <AbrarSyed> idk, either
crash report, or allow them to trust it?
L1170[13:54:59] <SSBlur_> Ugh
popups
L1171[13:55:19] <shadekiller666> and what
happens if not all mods validate with the validity checker?
L1172[13:55:30] <AbrarSyed> it might just
be a screen in the mc loadign thing.. idk.. thats secondary UI
stuff that can be determined after we determine whether all this
feasable at all
L1173[13:55:57] <SSBlur_> What if a mod
modifies the variables in use by the validity checker using
reflection or something?
L1174[13:56:07] <SSBlur_> Or ASM
L1175[13:56:16] <shadekiller666> and the
whole point of this would be to solve what problem? 3rd party mod
distributers?
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L1177[13:56:20] <AbrarSyed> that just
weakens the security of the whole system really.. I cant know that
another mod checks me.. dont think thats possible.
L1178[13:56:42] <AbrarSyed> SSBlur_, it
would cryptographically check the signature and hash of my classes
and stuff
L1179[13:56:43] <shadekiller666>
well
L1180[13:57:11] <SSBlur_> AbrarSyed,
okay, fair enough
L1181[13:57:59] <AbrarSyed> if I can get
a PR into forge that checks the validity of MCSE (MC security
essentials.. its growing on me).. that would be enough...
L1182[13:58:13] <AbrarSyed> but i find
that extemerly unlikely that such a PR would get in
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L1185[13:59:04] <shadekiller666> isn't
lex big on security?
L1186[13:59:07] <SSBlur_> How would this
deal with mods like Optifine and such
L1187[13:59:14] <SSBlur_> Same as
others?
L1188[13:59:29] <shadekiller666> same way
we've been dealing with optifine
L1189[13:59:37] <AbrarSyed> well, IIRC
optifinie is a tweaker, so it will be verified with the other
tweakers (including forge, which is a tweaker)
L1190[13:59:38] <shadekiller666>
hardcoding around it...
L1191[13:59:40] <SSBlur_> Good
point
L1192[13:59:52] <AbrarSyed> LL is also a
tweaker, will be verified same way
L1193[14:00:29] <Unh0ly_Tigg> What about
mods that check the security mod that are open source only
including the security check in the binary jars (vs the
source/deobf jars)
L1194[14:00:50] <AbrarSyed> say that
again?
L1195[14:00:56] <Unh0ly_Tigg> as a
suggestion
L1196[14:01:22] <AbrarSyed> I dont quite
understand what you said
L1197[14:01:54] <Unh0ly_Tigg> like say
openblocks, if it checked the security mod, to not include the code
that checks the security mod in the github repo.
L1198[14:02:09] <shadekiller666> why
would that be a problem?
L1199[14:02:12] <AbrarSyed> uh, why
wouldnt it?
L1200[14:02:32] <shadekiller666> ?
L1201[14:02:34] <AbrarSyed> the security
mod checking code itself can be anywhere, its not private code by
any means...
L1202[14:02:46] <AbrarSyed> its perfectly
fine that its in the githbu repo..
L1203[14:03:16] <AbrarSyed> I dont know
why someone would go through a bunch of effort to ensure its not in
the MC repo, and instead injected aferwards externally.. as that
would likely break the signature of the mod itself
L1204[14:03:34] *
AbrarSyed imagines integrating keybase into this would be
glorious
L1205[14:03:45] <shadekiller666> and
having it on github would make it easier to get adopted by
mods
L1206[14:03:53] <shadekiller666>
keybase?
L1208[14:04:08] <SSBlur_> I am officially
confused by this mod.
L1209[14:04:14] <SSBlur_> It is a
security mod
L1210[14:04:33] <AbrarSyed> gimme a
moment, il write up a gist to explain it all
L1211[14:05:10] <shadekiller666>
O.O
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L1213[14:05:25] <shadekiller666> you can
type in anyone's name and get their usernames for anything?
L1214[14:08:46] <AbrarSyed> well, say you
want to send me somethign encrypted.
L1215[14:08:56] <shadekiller666> ok
L1216[14:09:07] <AbrarSyed> you can
encrypt it with my public PGP (pretty good privacy) key. The only
problem is.. you dont know what that key is.
L1217[14:09:35] <AbrarSyed> you can
google arround, ask people, you might get a key, but you have no
idea if that key actually belongs to me. I tmight be the key of the
FBI or some alicious man in the middle.
L1218[14:09:43] <Ivorius> It's it
fuckaduck?
L1219[14:09:48] <Ivorius> I bet your key
is fuckaduck
L1220[14:10:14] <AbrarSyed> Keybase is a
website that has peoples public PGP keys. It attaches it to their
Socieal Media accounts and verifies that the owner of the key is
also the owner of said Socieal Media accounts.
L1221[14:10:22] <shadekiller666> keybase
is intended to tie an encryption (PGP) key to a person?
L1222[14:10:56] <AbrarSyed> PGP keys come
in pairs, a public and a private key. If you encrypt something with
the public key, it can only be decrypted by the coresponding
private key.
L1223[14:11:19] <shadekiller666> thats
interesting
L1224[14:11:30] <AbrarSyed> if you sign
something with the private key, it can be verified with the public
key.
L1225[14:11:42] <AbrarSyed> all of this,
to ensure you are talking only to the person you wanted to.
L1226[14:12:12] <AbrarSyed> this kind of
asymmetric encryption with keypairs is the foundation of all modern
crypto, and is used everywhere from ssh keys, to SSL keys,
etc
L1227[14:12:38] *
AbrarSyed can get into the math proofs of how it works.. but wont
right now.
L1228[14:12:46] <AbrarSyed> basically..
the public key == your fingerprint.
L1229[14:12:52] <shadekiller666>
ahh
L1230[14:13:02] <AbrarSyed> and I can
verify that its YOUR fingerprint by checkign keyabse and seeing
that its tied to your github account
L1231[14:13:05] <shadekiller666> private
key == your id card?
L1232[14:13:11] <AbrarSyed> your
fingerprint as opposed to someone elses
L1233[14:13:39] <shadekiller666> k
L1234[14:13:50] <AbrarSyed> yeah sorta,
the private key is somethign no one else should ever see or use.
the public key should be open to everyone.
L1235[14:14:09] <shadekiller666> its the
joint connecting your finger to your hand :P
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L1237[14:15:06] <shadekiller666> does
everyone have a PGP key?
L1238[14:15:20] <AbrarSyed> but yeah.. so
you can sign something with your private key, and someone else can
verify that its your signature by checking it with the public
key
L1239[14:15:20] <glasspelican> you need
to make on
L1240[14:15:22] <glasspelican> one
L1241[14:15:23] <AbrarSyed> ^
L1242[14:15:30] <shadekiller666> ok
L1243[14:15:49] <AbrarSyed> you generate
your own keys.. people can have multipel keys.. but remember that
its your identity on the internet or something like that
L1244[14:15:54] <gabizou|laptop> I need
to renew my key in the next couple of weeks.
L1245[14:16:04] <gabizou|laptop>
shadekiller666, you can even sign git commits
L1246[14:16:10] <glasspelican> i lost my
private key :p
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L1248[14:16:53] <gigaherz> the weakest
thing when using public key cryptography, is ensuring that the
other users actually haveyour key, and not the man in the middle's
key
L1249[14:17:07] <AbrarSyed> yeah I have 3
public keys out circulating.. and only 1 which I still have the
private key for.. the other two got lost in windows
reinstalls...
L1250[14:17:30] <gigaherz> hence why the
certification system is trust-based, with a certification authority
that can be trusted signing your keys
L1251[14:17:52] <AbrarSyed> yeah.. which
is where the idea of Certificate Authorities used in SSL/tls/https
come in
L1252[14:17:59] <illyohs> shit I just
realized I forgot to move my keys with my reinstall
L1253[14:18:07] <gabizou|laptop> any
repo's you guys suggest storing public keys?
L1254[14:18:14] <gabizou|laptop> tsk tsk
tsk illyohs
L1255[14:18:15] <AbrarSyed> mit pgp
db?
L1257[14:18:38] <AbrarSyed> also keybase,
I has invites if people want
L1258[14:18:45] <gigaherz> there's many
keychain/keyring services
L1259[14:19:25] <AbrarSyed> online ones?
I havent seen many other than keybase and the mit db
L1261[14:21:58] <gigaherz> apple has
iCloud Keychain, although dunno who would trust that ;p
L1262[14:22:14] <gigaherz> no wait
L1263[14:22:16] <AbrarSyed> generally
those keychains are to manage how many people's public keys you
have/trust
L1264[14:22:20] <gigaherz> that's for
passwords, not specifically crypto keys
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L1266[14:22:37] <AbrarSyed> they are also
generally for 'secrets' which include private keys, passwords,
etc
L1267[14:23:12] <gigaherz> I recall
having used a few over the years
L1268[14:23:15] <gigaherz> amybe they all
closed
L1269[14:23:33] <gigaherz> PGP/GPG
appeared in the 90s/early 2000s
L1270[14:23:39] <gigaherz> and then was
forgotten until recently
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L1272[14:27:24] <MattDahEpic> i still
havent gotten my keybase invite...
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L1274[14:28:33] <MattDahEpic> whats the
best way to get a list of player names for use in tab
completion?
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L1276[14:29:37] <TehNut> Look at a
command that does it
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L1279[14:30:57] <AbrarSyed> MattDahEpic,
whats toyr email, I can send you one
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L1281[14:33:05] <Unh0ly_Tigg> abrar, how
many invites you got?
L1282[14:33:54] <gabizou|laptop>
AbrarSyed oh, I'll take an invite
L1283[14:34:05] *
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L1284[14:34:23] <AbrarSyed> Matthew, you
got any invites to keyabse lying arround?
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L1287[14:34:54] <AbrarSyed> give some to
thse guys here :)
L1288[14:35:13] <Matthew> PM me
emails
L1289[14:35:23] <AbrarSyed> Unh0ly_Tigg,
gabizou|laptop ^
L1290[14:35:30] <gabizou|laptop> yep
yep
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L1293[14:36:24] <Drullkus> ?
L1294[14:36:27] <Drullkus> 10 what
L1295[14:36:38] <illyohs> AbrarSyed: Ill
take one as well
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L1298[14:37:21] <AbrarSyed> poke matthew
or RX14
L1299[14:37:29] <TehNut> Drullkus:
Invites to Keybase
L1300[14:37:33] <Drullkus> Keybase?
L1302[14:37:44] <Unh0ly_Tigg> can keybase
usernames contain underscores?
L1303[14:37:46] <Drullkus> I googled
it
L1304[14:37:54] <AbrarSyed> yeah think
so
L1305[14:38:00] <TehNut> PGP key repo
thing
L1306[14:38:25] <AbrarSyed> so anyone
have the signature of that fingerprint checking method?
L1307[14:38:30] <Drullkus> hmmm
L1308[14:38:31] <minecreatr> who has a
keybase invite?
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L1310[14:38:34] <minecreatr> I really
want one of those
L1311[14:38:35] <Drullkus> idk if I want
this
L1312[14:38:36] <gabizou|laptop> now I
wonder
L1313[14:38:53] <gabizou|laptop> would I
be naive enough to store my private key on their servers
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L1316[14:39:30] <Deamon> If you enjoy
lessons in the issues around single points of failure gabizou
L1317[14:39:36] <Unh0ly_Tigg> and I am
now generating a pgp key...
L1318[14:39:48] <gabizou|laptop> Deamon
oh do tell
L1319[14:40:09] <Matthew> yeah fuck no. I
don't keep my private key on their servers
L1320[14:40:21] <AbrarSyed> ^
L1321[14:40:26] <gabizou|laptop> Matthew
that's what I thought
L1322[14:40:36] <AbrarSyed> well.. the
private key is encrypted by your passphrase.. but hell no will I
let them keep it..
L1323[14:40:47] <Matthew> generate
locally, and push your pub key up
L1324[14:41:14] <Ivorius> Generate
manually doing the formula by hand
L1325[14:41:16] <Ivorius> Trust no
one
L1326[14:41:28] <AbrarSyed> I actually
exclusively use their CLI tool, not the website.. that being said,
they DO have all the PGP stuff done in clientside JS.. which is
pretty cool (and secure)
L1327[14:42:58] <Deamon> generate on
flash paper, keep one copy, never photograph it, ignite if area
compromised ;)
L1328[14:44:35] <AbrarSyed> lol, see the
latest keybase blog post about paper keys
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L1331[14:47:45] <shadekiller666> is it
just me or is Fallout 4 a lot better than Fallout 3?
L1332[14:48:01] <shadekiller666> maybe
its the fact i'm on pc this time and not PS3
L1333[14:48:06] <Matthew> never played
any of the fallouts :P
L1334[14:48:57] <gabizou|laptop>
shadekiller666 because it's pc
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L1341[14:54:13] <Unh0ly_Tigg> I'm
wondering if I should reinstall arch on my old laptop again, or
just switch to ubuntu for the time being...
L1342[14:54:42] <diesieben07> oh god no
please dont use ubuntu
L1343[14:54:52] <gabizou|laptop> ubuntu
is love
L1344[14:54:55] <gabizou|laptop> ubuntu
is life
L1345[14:54:56] <Unh0ly_Tigg> I really
don't want to have to deal with recompiling the b43 drivers again
just to have wifi...
L1346[14:55:06] <diesieben07> unitiy is
retarded beyond believe
L1347[14:55:18] <illyohs> ArchLinux
<3
L1348[14:55:33] <TehNut> Then don't use
Unity >.>
L1349[14:55:40] <diesieben07> well
yeah
L1350[14:55:43] <TehNut> I have Cinnamon
on my Ubuntu install
L1351[14:55:45] <diesieben07> still it
pisses me off :P
L1352[14:55:59] <diesieben07> thats
pretty much just mint then. :D
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L1354[14:56:00] <TehNut> But yeah
L1355[14:56:02] *
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L1356[14:56:04] <Drullkus> lol
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suspend is hanging
L1359[14:56:36] <diesieben07> plot twist,
/me uses windos 10
L1360[14:56:51] <Unh0ly_Tigg> if I go
with ubuntu, should I go with 14.04.3 LTS, or 15.10?
L1361[14:56:54] <heldplayer> My laptop
dual boots to Debian and Win10
L1362[14:57:05] <AbrarSyed> use Kubuntu,
Ubuntu with a decent DE
L1363[14:57:18] <diesieben07> i tried
linux, it doesnt like my graphics card
L1364[14:57:21] <AbrarSyed> and always
latest man, always latest
L1365[14:57:48] <TehNut> It didn't like
mine either. Games I ran on Windows at >300fps got <60
L1366[14:58:05] <TehNut> Except
Minecraft. Because Java on Linux is <3
L1367[14:58:20] <diesieben07> well, if it
was only that i could live with it
L1368[14:58:26] <heldplayer> OpenJDK JRE
or Oracle JRE?
L1369[14:58:34] <diesieben07> but i got
screen tearing like a motherfucker always and everywhere
L1370[14:58:50] *
AbrarSyed gets >60 fps on shadow of mordor.... and runs arch
linux...
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L1372[15:00:02] <TehNut> At that time,
Oracle JRE because Java 8
L1373[15:00:17] <TehNut> Can't find any
OpenJDK Java 8 thing-a-ma-jigs
L1374[15:00:54] <heldplayer> OpenJDK 8
isn't in (a lot of) stable Linux distros
L1375[15:01:04] <AbrarSyed> because
'stable' == old
L1376[15:01:08] <AbrarSyed> most of the
time
L1377[15:02:07] <heldplayer> Technically
I could switch to Stretch, as my laptop isn't exactly something
like a server that needs stability
L1378[15:03:08] <Matthew> bah keybase
needs bash-completion support
L1379[15:05:05] <AbrarSyed> yes it
does...
L1380[15:05:11] <AbrarSyed> zsh?
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L1382[15:10:55] <Matthew> AbrarSyed,
bash
L1383[15:12:07] <LexManos>
<AbrarSyed> if I can get a PR into forge that checks the
validity of MCSE (MC security essentials.. its growing on me)..
that would be enough...
L1384[15:12:17] <LexManos> If you sent
that in i'd strip you of all access to forge anything...
L1385[15:12:34] <Matthew> lol
L1386[15:12:40] <LexManos> I like my
worms still in their cans plzkthx
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L1388[15:17:57] <LexManos> btw whoever
made the seafiles file, put it in social not Forgecraft
L1389[15:18:15] <LexManos> Whops wrong
channel *you saw nothing*
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L1391[15:19:17] <TehNut> WE SAW
EVERYTHING
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L1396[15:21:16] <tterrag|ZZZzzz> I have
openjdk8
L1397[15:21:18] <tterrag|ZZZzzz>
.-.
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L1399[15:21:27] <[NK]Ghost> waddup
L1400[15:23:24] <Thutmose> so Lex or cpw,
any more issues with the VillagerRegistry PR? and to cpw, is how it
responds to server/client conflicts ok?
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L1412[15:49:44] <HassanS6000> !gm
func_147497_a
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L1414[15:56:12] <ThePsionic> In the
constructor of PotionEffect, is duration in ticks or in
seconds?
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L1416[15:58:44] <gigaherz> I believe
ticks
L1417[15:58:45] <gigaherz> checking
L1418[15:59:06] <diesieben07> ticks is
correct
L1419[15:59:51] <gigaherz> ok because I
was unsure and my code didn't clarify
L1420[15:59:52] <gigaherz> XD
L1421[15:59:59] <ThePsionic> hmm
L1422[16:00:11] <ThePsionic> And it's 20
ticks in a second right (it's been a while
L1423[16:00:29] <gigaherz> yes
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L1425[16:00:49] <gigaherz> (although it
can be changed, but then ALL the game runs faster/slower, so it's
still 20 ticks per ingame second)
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L1430[16:09:49] <ThePsionic> Also another
thing I am wondering about PotionEffect
L1431[16:09:56] <ThePsionic> What does it
mean when it is "ambient"
L1432[16:10:46] <diesieben07> the
particles are a bit see through, used by beacons
L1433[16:10:58] <ThePsionic> Ah
L1434[16:11:00] <tterrag|away> why was
AEnterprise banned? o.o
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L1436[16:14:54] <tterrag|away> oh, I
found it...
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L1445[16:26:40] <shadekiller666> I hate
Origin...
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L1447[16:29:09] <shadekiller666> can't
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their servers running...
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L1452[16:35:42] <AbrarSyed> gigaherz,
gabizou|laptop, MattDahEpic I need yal; keyabse links to
track
L1453[16:36:02] <gigaherz> hm?
L1454[16:36:11] <MattDahEpic> its the
permise of keybase
L1455[16:36:21] <gigaherz> no idea what
keybase is ;p
L1456[16:36:26] <MattDahEpic> you say im
who i am and a web of trust is made
L1457[16:36:29] <gabizou|laptop>
eh?
L1458[16:36:41] <AbrarSyed> who was the
third person.. hmm
L1459[16:37:05] <AbrarSyed> ah,
Unh0lyTigg
L1460[16:37:15] <gigaherz> I spoke about
crypto, but I haven't used any service in ages ;P
L1461[16:37:15] <Unh0lyTigg> o/
L1462[16:37:50] <gabizou|laptop>
Unh0lyTigg was just registered
L1463[16:37:54] <Unh0lyTigg> abrar, I'm
tracking you, I should be in the list.
L1464[16:37:57] <gabizou|laptop>
AbrarSyed what do you need me to provide?
L1465[16:38:04] <gabizou|laptop>
keybase.io/gabizou is moi
L1466[16:38:20] <AbrarSyed> yeah I jyst
need the names
L1467[16:38:31] <Unh0lyTigg>
"unh0ly_tigg" is me
L1468[16:38:35] <gabizou|laptop> gabizou
is me
L1469[16:38:48] <Unh0lyTigg> I see you
tracking me, gabizou.
L1470[16:39:02] <gabizou|laptop>
aye
L1471[16:39:16] <gabizou|laptop> hmm,
lukegb probably would love this site
L1473[16:40:00] <gabizou|laptop> you have
no key
L1474[16:40:06] <gabizou|laptop> tsk
tsk
L1475[16:40:19] <MattDahEpic> its working
on it
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L1477[16:40:41] <AbrarSyed> yal know me..
AbrarSyed everywhere
L1478[16:41:01] <AbrarSyed> uhoh
L1479[16:41:03] <AbrarSyed> [abrarsyed ~]
$ keybase track MattDahEpic
L1480[16:41:03] <AbrarSyed> error: bad
UID: c0e9aac834da8381228ea2f9a9aa6719 !=
eaba7aa9470c4e40679a585bc6535519 for username MattDahEpic
L1481[16:41:21] <AbrarSyed> yeah why you
haz no key? I cant track you
L1482[16:41:29] <MattDahEpic> let me re
input it
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L1484[16:44:24] <illyohs> oh ya i need to
set up a key
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L1489[16:51:56] <MattDahEpic> we should
be good AbrarSyed
L1490[16:52:37] <Unh0ly_Tigg> great. just
great... I switched to a powerline networking adapter so that I'm
not using my wifi adapter (which is currently having driver issues
with win10) and not having an ethernet cable running around the
house... and now I'm having issues with my ethernet
connection...
L1491[16:56:08] <fry> powerline is about
as stable as wifi is :P
L1492[16:57:01] <gabizou> Unh0ly_Tigg
powerline is only as stable as your cabling in the house is
L1493[16:57:09] <gabizou> but yeah, it's
not really stable to say the least.
L1494[16:57:59] <diesieben07> the thing
about wifi is and why everyone thinks it sucks is because every
single fucking manufacturer of consumer grade routers and receivers
seems to think its a good idea to not put ANTENNAS on their stupid
WIRELESS devices
L1495[16:58:18] <diesieben07> if you buy
a proper (yes, expensive-ish) router and receiver, wifi works very
well. :D
L1496[16:58:29] <MattDahEpic> but then
theres walls
L1497[16:58:37] *
diesieben07 uses wifi fine through 3 walls
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L1499[16:59:04] <Unh0ly_Tigg> I have a
netgear nighthawk router, a tp-link powerline network adapter kit,
and the house is less then 10 years old...
L1500[16:59:05] <fry> walls can be made
of various materials :P
L1501[16:59:06] <diesieben07> also... how
the fuck does mobile network manage like 7-8 mbit with a tower 1
mile away when inside a building
L1502[16:59:07] <MattDahEpic> 3 walls try
3 floors
L1503[16:59:21] <diesieben07> and then
wifi breaks down when you are 20m away from the fukin source
L1504[16:59:26] <fry> also, there's an
issue of frequency saturation
L1505[16:59:27] <diesieben07> /rant
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L1507[16:59:51] <fry> if you have 15
rounters in the 20m proximity, wifi won't work well :P
L1508[16:59:52] *
Thutmose has a wall that he can put his wifi router on one side of,
and get a 50db drop in signal on the other side
L1509[17:00:13] <diesieben07> inaccurate
fry is inaccurate
L1510[17:00:13] <Unh0ly_Tigg> My router
is so good, I can go .1 miles away (which is relatively pretty far)
before the signal drops off...
L1511[17:00:16] <MattDahEpic> 50 whole
databases!
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L1513[17:01:04] <fry> diesieben07: what's
inaccurate? :P
L1514[17:01:24] <diesieben07> if you have
enough frequency space you can have as many routers as you
wish.
L1515[17:01:37] <diesieben07> if they are
all sending on the same channel, thats when you have problem.
L1516[17:01:56] <mikebald> it's not just
the same channel, there's overlap.
L1517[17:02:15] <fry> you only have ~3
non-overlapping channels
L1518[17:02:27] <diesieben07> really? I
was not aware of that.
L1519[17:02:29] *
diesieben07 shuts up
L1520[17:02:53] <fry> 11 in some parts of
the world, 13 in others, but they're 6 wide or smth like that
:P
L1521[17:03:10] <mikebald> If you have an
android phone handy, opening up Wifi Analyzer you can see some nice
graphs of your channels and how they're used.
L1522[17:03:19] <diesieben07> yeah i
know
L1523[17:03:21] <diesieben07> i ahve done
that
L1524[17:03:28] <diesieben07> that is
some awful design right there if they overlap
L1525[17:03:32] *
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:P
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L1529[17:04:18] <Matthew> fry, 5ghz has
way more than 3 non-overlapping channels :P
L1530[17:04:21] <shadekiller666> all of
the fisics
L1531[17:04:39] <diesieben07> i dont
care, make it happen!
L1532[17:04:41] <diesieben07> i hate
wires.
L1533[17:04:42] <fry> I'm ignoring 5hz,
since I know very little about it :P
L1534[17:04:54] <Matthew> heh <3
5ghz
L1535[17:04:54] *
fry loves and hates wires at the same time
L1536[17:05:04] <diesieben07> i want
everything wireless.
L1537[17:05:08] <fry> at one hand,
they're annoying and get everywhere
L1538[17:05:14] <fry> on the other - they
work :P
L1539[17:05:14] <diesieben07> i hate the
wires on my headphones, i hate the wire on my keyboard.
L1540[17:05:28] <MattDahEpic> wireless
power
L1541[17:05:33] <diesieben07> yes!
L1542[17:05:37] <diesieben07> make it
happen!
L1543[17:05:46] *
diesieben07 puts computer in microwave
L1544[17:05:50] <fry> electrodynamics is
a cruel mistress :P
L1545[17:06:02] *
Matthew has a "wireless charger" for his
phone
L1546[17:06:07] <Matthew> doen't that
count :P
L1547[17:06:08] <mikebald> Qi ftw
=)
L1548[17:06:11] <MattDahEpic> and here we
have my tels coil room
L1549[17:06:14] <Unh0ly_Tigg> nexus 5
ftw
L1550[17:06:16] <MattDahEpic>
tesla*
L1551[17:06:17] <Drullkus> The other name
for my wireless charger for my phone is a microwave
L1552[17:06:21] <Drullkus> It works
great
L1553[17:06:42] <Drullkus> It charges
vary quickly in the microwave
L1554[17:06:51] <diesieben07> it also
doesn't work afterwards
L1555[17:06:54] <diesieben07> but that
doesn't count.
L1556[17:06:57] <diesieben07> its
charged!
L1557[17:07:12] <AbrarSyed> MattDahEpic,
your dns proof failed
L1558[17:07:16] <AbrarSyed> lemme know
when its working
L1559[17:07:40] <MattDahEpic> im in the
process of doing that one right now...
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L1562[17:08:54] *
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pgp keys
L1563[17:09:19] <Unh0ly_Tigg> alright, I
need to get some sleep, hopefully get my sleep schedule back on
track. see you all later.
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L1565[17:12:04] <Drullkus> !gf ItemStack
1.7.10
L1566[17:12:15] <Drullkus> !gm ItemStack
1.7.10
L1567[17:12:22] <MattDahEpic> gc?
L1568[17:12:27] <Drullkus> ?
L1569[17:12:30] <Drullkus> OH
L1570[17:12:32] <Drullkus>
Constructor
L1571[17:12:32] <Drullkus> ok
L1572[17:12:36] <Drullkus> !gc ItemStack
1.7.10
L1573[17:12:44] <Drullkus> ...
L1574[17:12:48] <Drullkus> That's
all
L1575[17:12:50] <Drullkus> Thanks
obama
L1576[17:13:27] <Matthew> Drullkus,
pls
L1577[17:13:31] <Matthew> gc = get
class
L1578[17:13:36] <Drullkus> ...
L1579[17:13:37] <Drullkus> wow
L1580[17:13:44] <Drullkus> I am a scrub
at MCPBot_Reborn
L1581[17:14:04] <Drullkus>
itemStack(Block block, int amount, int metaData)?
L1582[17:14:10] <Drullkus>
ItemStack*
L1583[17:14:23] <Drullkus> Matthew:
^
L1584[17:14:42] <minecreatr> Drullkus,
you should go on the #mcpbot channel so you dont spam
#minecraftforge
L1585[17:14:47] <Matthew> what about
it
L1586[17:14:54] <Drullkus> Is that the
correct syntax?
L1587[17:15:16] <Matthew> for what
L1588[17:15:23] <Drullkus> Getting a new
itemstack
L1589[17:15:28] <Matthew> !gm
ItemStack.<init>
L1590[17:15:32] <Matthew> hmm
L1591[17:15:43] <Matthew> how do you get
constructors..
L1592[17:15:45] <Matthew> bspkrs, ?
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L1594[17:16:33] <diesieben07> !gm
ItemStack
L1595[17:16:37] <diesieben07> like that
^
L1596[17:17:47] *
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L1601[17:29:25] <Kaiyouka> ffs
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L1605[17:33:21] <xaero> fry, true, but
sneakernet if it evolves to snailmail might not be worth the
hassle
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L1607[17:36:12] <fry> but you see, you
only need to exchange the keys that way :P
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L1610[17:43:00] <xaero> hmm yes, if
you're the kind of person who generates 4096 bit keys, you want the
utmost in security
L1611[17:43:05] <xaero> so yes, I see
your point :P
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L1614[17:55:40] <AtomicStryker> hey, any
of you know anything about a bug with cauldron for 1.7.10 and the
clients player list (displayed with tab)
L1615[17:56:04] <AtomicStryker>
apparently something like 144 entries are shown no matter how many
players are on a server
L1616[17:59:14] <Matthew> 0_o didn't
cauldron die a long time ago?
L1617[18:00:00] <gabizou> AtomicStryker
cauldron hasn't been updated for over a year
L1618[18:00:28] <AtomicStryker> does that
matter? didnt you hear about those windows 3.1 machines running the
critical fog systems at the french airport
L1619[18:00:37] <AtomicStryker> one year
without updates is nothing
L1620[18:00:38] <TehNut> KCauldron gets
updated
L1621[18:00:38] <AtomicStryker>
wimps
L1622[18:00:46] <TehNut> Which is what
most servers are using
L1623[18:00:50] <gabizou> AtomicStryker
it kinda does, because no one supports Cauldron bugs, especially
here.
L1624[18:01:08] <AtomicStryker> i do, so
you are wrong on both accounts
L1625[18:01:10] <AtomicStryker> :D
L1626[18:01:25] <gabizou> if you say
so
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L1628[18:01:48] <AtomicStryker> are you
saying i dont exist
L1629[18:01:52] <gabizou> no
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L1631[18:02:09] <gabizou> I'm saying that
cauldron hasn't been updated in over a year
L1632[18:02:41] <AtomicStryker>
technically the bug is on the (purely forge) client so
L1633[18:03:56] <TehNut> Not if it's the
server sending that to the client
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L1636[18:19:57] <AtomicStryker> is there
a generic hook/event for packets
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L1638[18:23:32] <GeoDoX> o/
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L1640[18:27:54] <GeoDoX> shadekiller666,
you still around?
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L1642[18:29:54] <AtomicStryker> is there
any trick to asm transforming a constructor
L1643[18:30:06] <AtomicStryker> it is in
the methods of a classnode, right?
L1644[18:33:07] <Matthew> AtomicStryker,
yeah its just a method called <init>
L1645[18:33:27] <AtomicStryker> and the
desc is Lclass; i assume
L1646[18:34:46] <Matthew> well the desc
would be the params, just like any other method
L1647[18:35:15] <Matthew> and of course V
for the return
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L1649[18:35:31] <gudenau> Hello!
L1650[18:36:38] <gudenau> I am doing
stuff in a TickEvent.ClientTickEvent handler, and enabling blending
makes the world freak out; how should I stop this, minus removing
the blend stuff.
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L1654[18:43:13] <bspkrs> push glstate
before, pop after
L1655[18:43:21] <gudenau> Did not
work,.
L1656[18:43:48] <gudenau> As far as i can
tell.
L1657[18:44:13] <gudenau>
GL11.glPushState? Does not exits.
L1658[18:44:16] <gudenau> exist*
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L1662[18:52:49] <tterrag|away> He means
matrix
L1663[18:52:59] <tterrag|away>
glPushMatrix
L1664[18:53:10] <killjoy> gah, youtube
updated subscriptions
L1665[18:53:15] <gudenau> That did not
work. :-(
L1666[18:53:20] <tterrag|away> But the
matrix does not affect flags
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L1668[18:53:28] <tterrag|away> Just unset
the flags you change
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L1670[18:53:44] <tterrag|away> If you
enable blending, disable it when you are done
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L1672[18:55:25] <gudenau> Not changing
anything...
L1673[18:55:27] <gudenau> :-/
L1674[18:55:59] <tterrag|away> post
code
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L1683[19:22:00] <gudenau> Sorry, client
crashed.
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L1685[19:26:04] <gudenau> So, any
help?
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L1689[19:29:30] <gudenau> Hey CJ.
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L1694[19:44:13] <tterrag|away> He keeps
leaving
L1695[19:44:31] <tterrag|away> Does
anyone know what GLFW is??
L1696[19:44:31] <tterrag|away> Never used
it
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L1698[19:45:41] <Deamon> tterrag|away,
its a windowing framework which works with opengl
L1699[19:45:45] <Deamon> supports
multiple windows
L1700[19:45:56] <Deamon> and its pretty
nice to use imo
L1701[19:47:15] <tterrag|away>
ah...ok
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L1704[19:50:04] <gigaherz> unless you
typoed and you mean GFWL, which is microosft's old Games For
Windows Live ;P
L1705[19:51:53] <tterrag|away> I did
not
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L1744[21:01:58] <MattDahEpic> i dont
understand why my ServerStartingEvent.registerServerCommand
nullpointers. im giving it a new command instance!
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L1747[21:12:23] <Matthew> MattDahEpic,
stacktrace
L1749[21:13:56] <MattDahEpic> line 69 is
e.registerServerCommand(new CommandMDE());
L1750[21:14:24] <Matthew> you're probably
returning null to getCommandAliases()
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L1752[21:14:26] <Matthew> don't do
that
L1753[21:15:34] <Matthew> vanilla returns
Collections.emptyList() for commands with no aliases
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L1755[21:22:44] <GeoDoX> I seriously hate
uv mapping.
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L1789[23:24:16] <Zaggy1024> how do I make
a plant sustained by both sand equivalents (like
EnumPlantType.Desert) and dirt equivalents (like
EnumPlantType.Plains)?
L1790[23:25:54] <Zaggy1024> ugh, my brain
is tired
L1791[23:26:01] <Zaggy1024> I forgot that
it goes through canBlockStay
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