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L1[00:03:12] <packbart> "Police: Man
stabbed woman with fork over undercooked potato" - odd things.
anyway
L2[00:03:31] <packbart> FLHerne: I couldn't
find the right keywords. what's the reference?
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L12[01:57:33] <raptop> !8 is it legal to
hocho people whose idea of screenshots in KSP2 is pointing their
camera at the screen?
L13[01:57:38] <raptop> !8ball is it legal
to hocho people whose idea of screenshots in KSP2 is pointing their
camera at the screen?
L14[01:57:38] <LunchBot> Go for it.
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L22[04:26:49] <X> !8 Should I
propose?
L23[04:34:03] <raptop> Depends on how the
relationship is going?
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L26[04:48:49] <X> !8ball Should I propose a
new theory involving the applicant of quantum harmonics to tertiary
US treasury markets in developing economies?
L27[04:48:49] <LunchBot> Upon the last
stroke of midnight.
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L39[06:17:47] <X> Well that's fun. My game
loads into pure blackness
L40[06:18:34] <Althego> hehe
L41[06:22:33] <minas_tirith> Althego, hi
uwu
L42[07:20:58] <XXCoder> ;mission
L43[07:20:58] <LunchBot> You set out to
post the most cringe spacecraft possible... A pile of viruses is
unexpectedly dumped onto Mission Control.
L44[07:21:16] <XXCoder> some biologist
olviously saw the craft
L45[07:21:25] <XXCoder> and wanted revenge.
batman, help!
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L58[10:46:53] <X> No orbit. THis is super
annoying
L60[10:47:39] <Izzy> are the pixelated
icons an artistic choice?
L61[10:54:05] <X> No. I have no idea how to
adjust the user interface
L62[10:54:11] <X> I'm slumming it at
1080p
L63[10:55:20] <Izzy> I only got a
1080p-or-better display ... last year :D
L64[10:55:34] <Izzy> but nah I meant like,
the craft icon
L65[10:56:01] <Deddly> Appears to be
artistic choice, yeah
L66[10:58:52] <Izzy> I ... think I like the
new UI?
L67[10:59:15] <Izzy> feels very Delta-V:
Rings of Saturn
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L69[10:59:47] <Deddly> Seems to be pretty
good yeah. But I reserve judgement until I can try it
L70[10:59:58] <Izzy> it looks neat
L71[11:00:08] <Izzy> artistic flourishes
may be to the detriment of actually using it
L72[11:00:16] * Izzy
shrugs
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L75[11:04:42] <X> Well it would be better
if I had orbits and didn't have to make it back to kerbin
like...lol visually
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L80[11:55:53] <packbart> yeah, I hope the
pixel fonts get replaced
L81[11:56:32] <packbart> EC is measured in
kU, looked a lot like kV
L82[11:56:55] <Althego> what is u?
unit?
L83[11:57:14] <packbart> probably
L84[11:57:55] <packbart> I say, they
brought back the pixel fonts and all the famous bugs just for
nostalgia
L85[11:58:13] <packbart> and next they'll
push an update to the *real* KSP 2 code
L86[11:58:19] <packbart> *week
L87[11:59:03] <sandbox> how many times have
they updated it since the release?
L88[11:59:10] <packbart> none
L89[11:59:43] <packbart> no times? none
times? I guess "no" would have been better
L90[11:59:52] <sandbox> is there any word
about when to expect a new one?
L91[12:01:00] <packbart> not that, either.
they probably just recovered from the launch weekend, had some
meetings yesterday and poke around the pile of bugs and feedback
today
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L94[13:05:21] <Mat2ch> "But that's
what the architect envisioned! Everything has to be in the joyful
and life-affirming béton brut!"
L95[13:05:26] <Mat2ch> Oh, wait, wrong
topic. :D
L96[13:13:04] <darsie> brut=gross, raw,
crude
L97[13:28:56] <Mat2ch> But architects love
it!
L98[13:29:13] <Mat2ch> Are their creations
user friendly? No! Are they at least good looking? Nope.
L99[13:48:46] <darsie> I think when/if I
get KSP2, I'll first try it with my GTX 750 Ti and extrapolate from
there which now card I'll get.
L100[13:49:05] <darsie> new*
L101[14:45:33] <raptop> hrm, so EC is
still an arbitrary units. Any idea if it's been rescalled to try to
be more realistic?
L102[14:45:44] <raptop> (Or is the Dawn
still powered by witchcraft)
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L110[16:01:00] <raptop> !mission
L111[16:01:00] <LunchBot> Several tourists
sign up for "the trip of a lifetime." You pass your
finals!
L112[16:01:58] <Mat2ch> !mission
L113[16:01:58] <LunchBot> After burning
the faces off of some potential customers, Gene Kerman demands the
launch pad be cleared of all personnel before takeoff. The payload
greatly exceeds the hagedorn temperature.
L114[16:02:34] <raptop> arguably that
accidentally flipped the mission/outcome
L115[16:02:43] <raptop> Or the outcome was
mostly unrelated
L116[16:03:57] <Mat2ch> hm.
L117[16:03:59] <Mat2ch> !mission
L118[16:03:59] <LunchBot> You build a
linguistics accelerator, which smashes words into each other very
fast and measures the resulting phonemes. Your computer explodes
with the force of a 10 ton H-bomb.
L119[16:04:12] <Mat2ch> That's more
likely.
L120[16:04:16] <raptop> nice
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L122[16:25:28] <packbart> !8ball is there
a crew tunnel through the 2.5m reaction wheel?
L123[16:25:28] <LunchBot> Dunno.
L124[16:25:46] <packbart> hm. I'll take
that as a yes, then
L125[16:52:20] <darsie>
s/H-bomb/F-bomb
L126[16:53:02] <Althego> h-bomb. the
hentai bomb :)
L127[16:55:06] <raptop> hmm
L128[16:56:03] <Althego> h is also often
used to denote a hospital. but the hosptalé bomb is not as
funny
L129[16:56:28] <darsie> hiroshima
L130[16:57:53] <raptop> wide island
L131[16:58:07] <darsie> Little boy massed
4400 kg.
L132[16:58:36] <raptop> I assume that the
joke is that a bomb that goes off with a 10 ton yield has absurdly
underperformed
L133[16:58:43] <raptop> Though it's a
pretty big explosion for a computer
L134[16:59:30] <darsie> 10 ton is not a
force.
L135[17:00:01] <raptop> an annoying habit
of colloquial english is using "force" for all sorts of
stuff better described with energy, momentum, acceleration,
power...
L136[17:00:15] <Althego> natural languages
are like that
L137[17:00:34] <darsie> But it provides
ambiguity.
L138[17:00:41] <Althego> some use
different words to some things, others use the same
L139[17:00:50] <sandbox> force of
nature
L140[17:01:03] <Althego> i usre would hate
to speak in mathematical symbols
L141[17:02:56] <darsie> Force
majeure
L142[17:03:28] <SporkWitch> raptop:
uncleftish beholding
L143[17:03:30] <darsie> Is 10 t an
energy?
L144[17:03:52] <darsie> Does beholding
mean see?
L145[17:04:06] <SporkWitch> tons can be
mass or weight (mass*gravity)
L146[17:04:15] <raptop> darsie: I'd read
it as an energy (10 tons of TNT, or 4.184e10 J) in that
context
L147[17:04:34] <darsie> I mean physically,
wiht E=mcc.
L148[17:04:58] <darsie> Many say mass is
energy.
L149[17:05:03] <darsie> or matter?
L150[17:05:19] <darsie> bbl
L151[17:05:32] <SporkWitch> it's not so
much that matter/mass _is_ energy, but rather there's an
equivalence.
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L154[18:15:04] <darsie> If energy is
conserved and we convert energy to matter, then that matter must be
energy.
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L161[18:53:53] <X> Is ice water
vapor?
L162[18:54:21] <SporkWitch> water vapor is
liquid water in small enough droplets that it's suspended in the
air
L163[18:54:36] <X> If ice is water vapor,
then matter is energy. If ice is the equivalent of water vapor,
then mass is the equivalence of energy.
L164[18:54:41] <SporkWitch> probably also
includes gaseous water
L165[18:55:18] <packbart> "I'm staff
on the KSP 2 Modding Society" - the wot now?
L166[18:55:39] <raptop> it's a discord,
right?
L167[18:55:50] <raptop> I think pinned
somewhere in the intercept games one
L168[18:56:02] <packbart> I don't know.
The mod-loader wars have begun
L169[18:56:10] <packbart> or so the drama
plays ou
L170[18:56:12] <packbart> +t
L171[18:56:27] <raptop> stabbity
L172[18:56:39] <packbart> I just thought
that name is a bit over the top
L173[18:57:54] <X> Modding really is a
society thing. Very clicky.
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L182[19:42:23] <darsie> My computer has 92
W at high CPU and low graphics load. That leaves 320-92=228 W for a
graphics card. Plenty.
L183[19:43:33] <darsie> The load is pretty
much the same for console and X.
L184[19:44:06] <X> Oh. That’s a lot
tbh.
L185[19:44:56] <darsie> 228 W?
L186[19:46:26] <X> Yeah. But I think the
max wattage of pci express is 75w
L187[19:47:05] <X> Is the Arc A380 better
or worse than the 1650? I presume worse.
L188[19:47:11] <darsie> Yeah, I don't want
the price of a newish card that uses that much.
L189[19:47:20] <darsie> idk
L190[19:52:41] <darsie> The RTX 3080 has
350 W TDP.
L191[19:53:22] <packbart> my 2080 S about
250W, I think
L192[19:53:35] <darsie> RTX 2060 has 160
W.
L193[19:53:54] <packbart> hm
L194[19:54:05] <darsie> packbart:
yes
L195[19:54:10] <X> His problem is he needs
a bus powered card right?
L196[19:54:17] <darsie> no
L197[19:54:36] <darsie> I soldered a GFX
card cord into the PS because the solder holes there were
unpopulated.
L198[19:54:48] <X> Oh. O_o
L199[19:55:34] <packbart> Kerbal Power
Supply
L200[19:55:39] <darsie> :)
L201[19:56:49] <FLHerne> darsie: allow
something like 15W each for motherboard and SSD
L202[19:57:16] <darsie> The HP Compaq
Elite 8300 convertible microtower seems to be (high end) office
PC.
L203[19:57:19] <FLHerne> oh, I guess if
you're measuring at the wall now that's included
L204[19:57:30] <FLHerne> although probably
not worst-case load
L205[19:57:50] <darsie> FLHerne: I
measured power consumption with motherboard ;).
L206[19:58:44] <darsie> Console/X were
pretty equal. I used 'stress-ng --matrix 0' to load CPU and
RAM.
L207[19:58:52] <darsie> Without stress I
used 40 W.
L208[20:02:18] <X> What is your max CPU
wattage by spec?
L209[20:02:46] <X> Also isn’t there some
fudge factor you have to account for in aged power supplies?
L210[20:03:27] <darsie> 77 W
L211[20:04:31] <darsie> That would make
sense, but I'm not going to use a 228 W gfx card.
L212[20:04:49] <darsie> And KSP2 won't
fully load the CPU.
L213[20:04:52] <X> I’m going to guess 150w
is ultra safe. 180w is probably fine and 200w is pushing it.
L214[20:06:48] <X> My 2070s is 215w, so I
imagine the 2060s much 170ish.
L215[20:07:03] <darsie> RTX 2060 has 160
W.
L216[20:07:05] <X> And the 2060 is
probably less than that.
L217[20:07:15] <X> You should be okay with
one of those.
L218[20:50:30] <umaxtu> my 3070 Fe seems
to be around 215-220 according to afterburner
L219[20:52:06] <darsie> I might get a
1660Ti. Good value, 120 W.
L220[20:54:08] <umaxtu> how much?
L221[20:54:54] <darsie> 130 EUR, 12,918
G3D Mark, 120 W
L222[20:55:07] <darsie> used
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L226[21:34:57] <umaxtu> another option at
that price point could be the A380. though only if your system
supports resizeable bar.
L227[21:35:31] <SporkWitch> Arc? We have a
770 or two on the hardware survey, don't think we have any data
from lower
L229[21:37:56] <umaxtu> yeah arc.
L230[21:38:14] <umaxtu> plus is got a cool
name for someone interested in Aerospace
L231[21:38:17] <SporkWitch> Single arc
a770 result, with a Ryzen 9 5900x, 1440p medium preset, didn't say
what AA level; Kerbal K-1, 100 fps in vab, 53 pad, 40 in space;
Kerbal K-2, 95 FPS in the VAB, 47 on the pad, 37 in space
L232[21:38:35] <SporkWitch> so the 770 is
achieving similar results to the 3080
L233[21:39:24] <Izzy> ngl I just tabbed in
and thought you were talking about buying a plane
L234[21:41:15] <umaxtu> a retired one
might be cheaper than a house
L235[21:41:27] <umaxtu> a very nice house
granted
L236[21:41:54] <Izzy> hmm, it's not
looking good for the 580, from this chart
L237[21:44:11] <darsie> umaxtu: Intel Arc
A380 only has 3,655 G3D.
L238[21:44:22] <SporkWitch> keep in mind
these are hardly lab-grade tests, but the volume of results should
give a good estimate of expected performance depending on what you
have or are looking at buying
L239[21:44:59] <SporkWitch> VRAM has
proven to be a significant issue on below-spec cards. Not sure
where the 380 falls relative to the minimum spec
L240[21:45:14] *
raptop keeps on reading that and assuming an airbus
L241[21:45:32] <darsie> :)
L242[21:45:49] <SporkWitch> i'm actually
on my first transoceanic flight in the plane I've named the Shrike
lol
L243[21:46:12] <darsie> You are flying
rn?
L246[21:46:30] <darsie> :)
L247[21:47:16] <Izzy> wonder how much VRAM
an airbus A380 has
L248[21:47:28] <Izzy> they have glass
cockpits, right? should have at least a bit
L249[21:47:55] <Izzy> wonder if they use
those weird Matrox cards with no DirectX support but 16GB of VRAM
and 16 video outputs
L250[21:48:02] <darsie> My screen is
1680x1050, 60 Hz.
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L253[22:07:58] <raptop> 2x 1920x1080
laptops, 1x 1920x1080 external monitor, 1x 1920x1200 external
monitor
L254[22:30:41] <raptop> !mission add You
use witchcraft to increase the IX-6315 "Dawn" Electric
Propulsion System's TWR.
L255[22:30:42] <LunchBot> Added mission:
You use witchcraft to increase the IX-6315 "Dawn"
Electric Propulsion System's TWR.
L256[23:11:01] <Azander> !mission
L257[23:11:01] <LunchBot> You crack bad
jokes in #kspofficial. Jeb starts tripping spaceballs.
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L260[23:43:37] <packbart> lgg
L261[23:46:35] <packbart> about mod
loaders and KSP 2 interface. I might doze off to it