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L2[00:02:58] <XXCoder> oh man'
L3[00:03:04] <XXCoder> youre dangerous in
many ways
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L9[00:24:52] <X> Yeah there were zero
maneuver planner outcomes that would put me in munar orbit. I had
to do it the old fashioned way.
L11[00:49:06] <raptop> !mission add You
decide to visit Debdeb using SRBs.
L12[00:49:06] <LunchBot> Added mission: You
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L24[03:29:56] <Funkenstein> ;mission add
You remember that H.P. Lovecraft's characters have Boston
accents.
L25[03:29:57] <LunchBot> Added mission: You
remember that H.P. Lovecraft's characters have Boston
accents.
L26[03:31:13] <Funkenstein> ;outcome add
This really rocks Newton's cradle.
L27[03:31:14] <LunchBot> Added outcome:
This really rocks Newton's cradle.
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L36[05:21:43] <X> Well. My ship explodes on
the pad. That’s a good start.
L37[05:26:32] <Izzy> In a controlled or
uncontrolled manner?
L38[05:26:38] <Izzy> It's an important
difference.
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L42[05:32:42] <Althego> the sun is warming
up?
L45[05:34:41] <Althego> 4 engines
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L47[05:39:47] *
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L48[05:39:55] <raptop> Ah, yes, the Horror
at Dunkin Donuts
L49[05:40:24] <Althego> hehe, 4 reminds
me.... THERE ARE FOUR ENGINES! (picard)
L50[05:43:09] <raptop> hmm
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L53[05:51:48] <Althego> loks cool
L54[05:55:10] <raptop> extra hot
staging
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L57[06:44:16] <raptop> ...I think you
cursed it
L58[06:44:30] <Althego> heh
L59[06:44:35] <Althego> yes it seems not
launching toady
L60[06:44:44] <Althego> chat is full of
f
L61[06:45:08] <raptop> F is great, because
you can use it as both a joke and legit conveying condolences
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L69[07:18:22] <NeckoGecko> So... Why KSP 2
have SO bad performance? I mean - how can it be? KSP1 runs pretty
well on +- old PC with big partcount (150+) crafts, engine is
outdated. KSP2 haqve refreshed engine, but 40 parted craft makes it
suffer
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L72[07:28:25] <SporkWitch> "why can't
new game with crazy particle effects, stupid-high polygon counts,
and higher res textures run on 10 year old hardware?" you
mean? It's a self-answering question. As to why it does have
performance issues on hardware that meets spec, when run at
settings that meet spec: mostly bugs, partly in-progress
optimisation. We've been doing a hardware performance survey of the
community, and
L74[07:34:23] <NeckoGecko> so it is okay to
have 8-15 fps on 15-20 parts craft on i7 8700K 4.8 GHz, RTX-2080,
16GB ddr4?
L75[07:35:05] <Althego> no
L76[08:27:43] <Mat2ch> NeckoGecko: Nobody
knows, we can only speculate, but the more bugs I see, the more I'm
sure that the developers are not up to the task.
L77[08:28:21] <Althego> you cant even say
it is a bad console port
L78[08:39:35] <X> Wait what's the minimum
specs for KSP2?
L79[08:39:38] <X> I didn't even look
L80[08:41:05] <Althego> there was an
official minimum and required spec posted. somewhere
L82[08:44:01] <X> I've been playing on a
12650H and a 3070 mobile
L83[08:44:45] <X> I'll try it on my 10 year
old cpu next and see how that goes.
L84[08:46:50] <Mat2ch> Interesting. My Vega
56 is on par with the 5600 XT. So I have at least the minimum.
Which is still sad if you look at games like GTA5, which is 10
years old, and how detailed the whole city there is.
L85[08:50:13] <X> Well there's definitely
some weird graphics stuff going on with KSP2.
L86[08:50:24] <X> I think they really
like...detailed the textures of the ships and stuff.
L87[08:52:08] <X> How much can they
actually optimize all this stuff? Or are they just going to be
like...well 5 years from now when we leave early access, these
specs will be nothing.
L88[08:54:26] <Mat2ch> the main problem
seems to be the physics engine.
L89[08:54:55] <X> Do we know if the physics
is running off the CPU or the gpu?
L90[08:55:00] <Mat2ch> Because some
volumetric clouds shouldn't be a problem. And higher quality
textures only use more VRAM, but not that much computation
time.
L91[08:55:12] <Mat2ch> Most likely on the
CPU.
L92[08:56:20] <Mat2ch> The problem with
GPUs is that they are only really fast with floats. But KSP uses
doubles iirc to cover the distances better.
L93[08:57:06] <Mat2ch> I still think it
would be better to switch to ints, but nobody asks me (a
professional and studied computer scientist). Story of my life is:
Nobody is listening to me and all are sad. But they could be
listening to me and be sad.
L94[08:57:39] <X> They probably just use
whatever came in the software they licensed.
L95[08:58:46] <Mat2ch> And that's a
problem. KSP needs a very well refined physics engine, something
thought out be professionals.
L96[08:59:17] <Mat2ch> But I'm getting old
and tired of this. Everytime My parents asked me about something
technical, I gave them an answer what to do/buy
L97[08:59:19] <Althego> i doubt they can
use the basic physics in the engine
L98[08:59:34] <Althego> just as with ksp1
there were a lot of things added to it to make it possible
L99[08:59:50] <Mat2ch> *Everytime my
parents ask me about something technical, I give them an answer
what to do/buy and they buy something completely different and have
problems with it.
L100[08:59:56] <Althego> i think there was
even some dev blog about twhat they did
L101[09:00:37] <X> Ah. I just buy stuff
and bill my parents at this point.
L102[09:00:48] <Althego> lol
L103[09:00:57] <Mat2ch> X: Do you have
siblings?
L105[09:01:30] <Mat2ch> Because my
siblings are the people talking my parents into buying the broken
stuff.
L106[09:02:10] <Mat2ch> And no, technology
is not their profession.
L107[09:02:28] <Althego> hehe
L108[09:02:32] <Althego> then let them
support it
L109[09:02:51] <Mat2ch> yeah, I will
now.
L110[09:03:04] <Mat2ch> Best part is: I'm
the one living nearby.
L111[09:03:26] <X> Maybe your support can
be "oh, that product is defective, get this
instead"
L112[09:04:23] <Mat2ch> Nah, I will just
tell them from now on: Ask X or Y.
L113[09:04:38] <Mat2ch> And then they have
to suffer until they can come.
L114[09:04:47] <Mat2ch> They are visiting
my parents maybe 5-10 times a year
L115[09:04:56] <X> Assuming they can fix
it.
L116[09:05:04] <Mat2ch> I don't think they
will learn, but at least it's not my problem anymore.
L117[09:07:57] <X> I think the best thing
I ever did was convince my parents to jump on the smart home
bandwagon. Now that my dad's having mobility problems, he can like
intercom from anywhere and turn on all the lights on and off
without getting up, and adjust the heat.
L118[09:15:53] <Mat2ch> well, my father
has to stand up for that still. Which is good. He should get some
exercise.
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L124[10:01:37] <Guest76689> Hey could
someone here help me trouble shoot a problem im having with mirror
symmetry. i've looked all over and can't find an answer
https://imgur.com/QVczuK3
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L129[10:36:45] <Mat2ch> should've stayed a
bit longer. Funny bug. Probably mod related.
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L131[10:44:15] *
darsie explored which graphics card to buy.
L132[10:44:51] <darsie> nvidia 1060 - 1660
Super
L133[10:44:58] <darsie> used
L134[10:45:46] <darsie> AMD cards have
less speed/power.
L135[10:50:55] <darsie> ;mission add Your
rocket explodes again and you rebuild it from scratch. That is,
from photons.
L136[10:50:56] <LunchBot> Added mission:
Your rocket explodes again and you rebuild it from scratch. That
is, from photons.
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L139[11:00:54] <X> Apparently you need a
3080 to play ksp2
L140[11:04:08] <XXCoder> ;mission
L141[11:04:09] <LunchBot> You try to go to
orbit with nothing but solid rockets. This is due to a tiny
fluctuation in the velociraptor.
L142[11:04:29] <XXCoder> yeah it somehow
affected my brain lol
L143[11:07:11] <darsie> RTX 2060 has
14,072 passmark points. 1660 Super has 12,798, so it would run and
specs will get more relaxed later.
L145[11:08:28] <darsie> But I'm not buying
the game and the card now, maybe I'll pick something else
later.
L146[11:11:56] <darsie> Can get a used
1660 Super for 140 EUR. 1060 start at 60 EUR.
L147[11:12:32] <darsie> 1060 has 10,067
points.
L148[11:12:52] <darsie> G3D Mark
L149[11:14:17] <X> What about a 1660
ti?
L150[11:14:43] <darsie> 12,917
L151[11:14:59] <X> I meant cost-wise
L152[11:15:28] <X> In the US at least, you
can pick up a used one on newegg cheaper than a 1660s.
L153[11:16:26] <X> The 1660s has better
memory than the 1660 ti, but the 1660ti has more processors.
L154[11:16:45] <darsie> Ahh, there's an
1660 TI OC 6GB for 130 EUR
L155[11:17:56] <darsie> another one for
140 EUR
L156[11:18:25] <darsie> Ti has 120 W,
Super has 125 W.
L157[11:19:09] <darsie> I have a 320 W
PS.
L158[11:20:00] <darsie> Had to solder the
graphics card power cord because the solder holes for that were
unpopulated.
L159[11:20:08] <packbart> hm. my 2080
Super seems to be around 500€, still
L160[11:20:30] <X> Do you have an unusual
power supply requirement?
L161[11:21:10] <darsie> No. 120 W for the
card, i7-3770, 16 GB
L162[11:24:07] <X> Well, in the US EVGA
and corsair 450W and 500W power supplies will go on sale for about
25-30 USD.
L163[11:24:56] <X> If you have a power
issue, you may be able to upgrade cheaply if you keep your eye
out
L165[11:25:24] <darsie> "below"
the RAM
L166[11:25:37] <darsie> oops :)
L167[11:25:53] <darsie> That's teh dust
after blowing into the PC :)
L169[11:26:20] <darsie> that\
L171[11:27:18] <X> is there still a 4pin
cpu connector?
L172[11:27:28] <darsie> yes
L173[11:29:27] <X> Ah, so you do have an
unusual power supply requirement lol
L174[11:30:12] <darsie> Unusual power,
yeah.
L175[11:30:22] <darsie> No 5 V, no 3.3
V
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L178[11:34:41] <X> I think the 1050 was
the last motherboard only powered graphics card I remember.
L179[11:35:13] <darsie> Now I have a GTX
750 with 3,348 G3D Mark and 55 W.
L180[11:35:15] <X> I forgot all the
correct terminology.
L181[11:35:54] <darsie> IIRC I saw a
higher card that allegedly didn't need a cord.
L182[12:00:36] <NeckoGecko> (p.q)
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L194[13:09:34] <FLHerne> TEA/B loading
problem
L195[13:09:43] <darsie> thx
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L197[13:10:26] <darsie> Can't launch
without ignition ...
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L199[13:46:57] <TheKosmonaut> Loading up
ksp 2 for the first time
L200[13:47:05] <TheKosmonaut> Let my live
blogging and rage begin
L201[13:47:16] <TheKosmonaut> 1) no more
launchers. Pls. Just. stop.
L202[13:47:58] <Althego> hehe
L203[13:48:29] <TheKosmonaut> First: open
settings
L204[13:48:45] <TheKosmonaut> No FOV
slider, 0/10 total biscuit wouldn’t recommend
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L206[13:49:38] <sandbox> F
L207[13:50:56] <TheKosmonaut> Turn off the
VO guide
L208[13:51:00] <TheKosmonaut> Don’t need
that
L209[13:51:05] <TheKosmonaut> Docking
tolerance… hmm
L210[13:51:09] <TheKosmonaut> All the way
down
L211[13:51:26] <Althego> should be one
click setting for expert mode
L212[13:51:52] <TheKosmonaut> Let’s
see
L213[13:51:59] <TheKosmonaut> I can hear
my computer spinning up
L214[13:52:17] <TheKosmonaut> KSC:
~8fps
L215[13:52:20] <TheKosmonaut> Great
L216[13:52:36] <Althego> hehe
L217[13:55:21] <TheKosmonaut> Is there no
thrust limiter on the Hammer?
L218[13:56:39] <Althego> unlimited hammer
works! :)
L219[14:01:07] <TheKosmonaut> This is
pretty bad.
L220[14:05:06] <TheKosmonaut> Some very
weird latency in controls
L221[14:05:24] <TheKosmonaut> Time warp
did nothing until I pressed one of my roll buttons, then all of the
commands caught up
L222[14:05:42] <TheKosmonaut> Same thing
happened with F2 when I tried to hide the UI
L223[14:06:30] <TheKosmonaut> Is it me, or
are the contrails just static? As in, I have them on my fins and as
I roll the rocket, the trails remains as a straight line and just
follows my fins
L224[14:06:34] <TheKosmonaut> Rather than
spiraling
L225[14:08:43] <TheKosmonaut> Huh. Does
time remain persistent in VAB?
L226[14:09:09] <TheKosmonaut> Does that
mean the universe is still running while I am constructing
craft
L227[14:09:20] <Althego> that would be
annoying
L228[14:09:48] <TheKosmonaut> UT at 7 min,
MET at 2
L229[14:10:03] <TheKosmonaut> I spent
about a few minutes in VAB
L230[14:10:20] <Althego> cant you
pause?
L231[14:10:21] <TheKosmonaut> Aaaand game
crash
L232[14:10:24] <Althego> hehe
L233[14:10:27] <Althego> that paused for
good :9
L234[14:11:03] <TheKosmonaut> can’t have
your botched capsule crash into the ocean before you Build a rescue
vessel if you just kill the game
L235[14:11:06] *
TheKosmonaut taps head
L236[14:11:32] <Althego> hehe
L237[14:12:02] *
TheKosmonaut clicks extras
L238[14:12:16] <TheKosmonaut> Credits,
EULA, Privacy Policy, ToS
L239[14:12:57] <TheKosmonaut> Back in my
day, extras meant cool things like Behind The Scenes, little
videos, features etc
L240[14:13:08] <Althego> they could bundle
a debugger for free :)
L241[14:19:40] <FLHerne> ;outcome add Sbe
fbzr ernfba, nyy gur perj ercbegf ner frag onpx va ebg13.
L242[14:19:40] <LunchBot> Added outcome:
Sbe fbzr ernfba, nyy gur perj ercbegf ner frag onpx va ebg13.
L243[14:19:49] <Althego> lol
L244[14:20:09] <TheKosmonaut> Not feeling
it so far
L245[14:20:14] <Althego> is this
rot13?
L246[14:20:30] <TheKosmonaut> No. This is
Sparta.
L247[14:20:53] <FLHerne> This is
Staffordshire, you must have misheard
L248[14:21:06] <FLHerne> Althego: the
"ebg13" at the end is a bit of a hint :p
L249[14:21:16] <Althego> similar pet shops
ltd or something
L250[14:21:38] <Mat2ch> !mission You want
to break free.
L251[14:21:38] <LunchBot> No mission found
matching "You want to break free.".
L252[14:21:46] <Mat2ch> !mission add You
want to break free.
L253[14:21:46] <LunchBot> Added mission:
You want to break free.
L254[14:21:50] <Mat2ch> !mission
L255[14:21:50] <LunchBot> You hire
thousands of high-stupidity kerbonauts. You're barred from further
flights due to government legislation imposed by a competing space
program.
L256[14:22:07] <Althego> hehe
L257[14:22:11] <FLHerne> that legislation
sounds justified honestly
L258[14:22:21] <Mat2ch> Oh come on
L259[14:22:22] <TheKosmonaut> How do you
change to an SPH style workspace
L260[14:22:25] <Althego> yes, stupid
pilots can cause a lot of accidents
L261[14:22:27] <TheKosmonaut> I clicked
it
L262[14:22:28] <Mat2ch> they just don't
know how to throw a party.
L263[14:22:51] <TheKosmonaut> And when I
select my pod, it reverts back to VAB or tie ration
L264[14:22:55] <TheKosmonaut>
Orientation
L265[14:24:08] <packbart> The workaround
seems to be placing a part far back in the VAB
L266[14:24:23] <TheKosmonaut> Back in my
day
L267[14:24:29] <TheKosmonaut> We had only
the VAB
L268[14:24:37] <TheKosmonaut> and you had
to launch planes like a rocket
L269[14:24:51] <Althego> you can just
build in the vab and then rotate 90 deg
L270[14:25:52] <packbart> we're back in
the day. the SPH is no more
L271[14:26:20] <packbart> and you can
launch your rockets from the jetty
L272[14:28:58] <TheKosmonaut> ~30% CPU
usage
L273[14:29:10] <TheKosmonaut> 14gb ram?
Jeebus
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L276[14:33:15] <packbart> well, KSP 1
isn't any better in that regard, tbh
L277[14:33:35] <packbart> unless with the
memory leak fixes from the Community Fixes mod
L278[14:35:12] <Mat2ch> I approve the
memory leak fixes from the community fixes mod. Must have.
L279[14:35:22] <TheKosmonaut> Also, the
continent disappears above 20km
L280[14:35:30] <TheKosmonaut> On my system
at least
L281[14:35:38] <Althego> cloaking
L282[14:37:32] <TheKosmonaut> Also, no
shielded docking port?
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L284[14:37:56] <packbart> lots of parts
still missing
L285[14:38:16] <TheKosmonaut> The original
chute still that ugly part too
L286[14:38:19] <TheKosmonaut> Always hated
it
L287[14:38:32] <TheKosmonaut> Never sits
flush along the edges
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L289[14:38:54] <packbart> well, Mr.
ReStock will have to go over them once more
L290[14:39:11] <TheKosmonaut> Most of the
parts are quite nice
L291[14:39:19] <TheKosmonaut> And the game
does look brilliant for the most part
L292[14:40:08] <TheKosmonaut> Tbh, if Tlou
was out now I’d have refunded this and gone for that. But I also
love ksp and I kind of have an inkling of an understanding as to
why they’re releasing it now, albeit in early access.
L293[14:40:08] <packbart> tbh, I expect
that it takes 1 to 3 years until release. the prototype looks ok,
now they need to make it into a game
L294[14:40:40] <packbart> I paid my part
for the popularity ranking
L295[14:41:18] <TheKosmonaut> I just
think, if cash flow is a problem: why are you shooting yourself in
the foot by 1) making it so prohibitively expensive in terms of
performance? And 2) $50 is a big ask for a game in this state
L296[14:41:47] <TheKosmonaut> Even if the
game is optimized, you’ve set min spec rather high
L297[14:41:58] <TheKosmonaut> And afaik
you don’t / can’t change min spec after the fact
L298[14:42:19] <packbart> I believe 1) is
a matter of compiling the game in the release build. it seems to
have all debug options on and no compiler optimizations
L299[14:43:02] <packbart> linuxgurugamer
is going over KSP 2 with Visual Studio tomorrow. although he's not
going to decompile anything, just looking at the public structures
available
L300[14:43:22] <packbart> hist first mod
is just a join reinforcement
L301[14:43:27] <packbart> the noodle
rockets are back in force
L302[14:51:44] <TheKosmonaut> I’m quite
pessimistic about multiplayer
L303[14:53:13] <packbart> at least they
did consider it from the start
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L310[15:51:13] <Guest23786> Is there
really people there?
L311[15:51:18] <packbart> yes
L312[15:51:29] <Guest23786> nice
L313[15:51:30] <packbart> at least I
pretend to be "people"
L314[15:51:35] <Guest23786> lol
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L316[15:53:01] <packbart> there are no
official community manager or devs around here, though
L317[15:53:43] <SporkWitch> i don't think
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as we could get hardware for it / it was in a state we were ready
to play lol
L318[15:55:52] <Mat2ch> Guest23786 has
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L319[15:56:52] <packbart> I ignore
joins/quits here. too much noise ;)
L320[15:56:56] <SporkWitch> consider a
non-trivial number of new joins are trolls; not enough here to make
it worth their time, discord's a bigger target
L321[16:04:25] <Mat2ch> hrm. They
shouldn't have added all the anomalies in the EarlyAccess build.
Now they will be chewed up until release and there's no point in
finding them yourself, because somebody has already made a video
about it.
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L327[17:00:45] <packbart> Mat2ch:
apparently the game sometimes launches an anomaly instead of your
ship :)
L329[17:21:04] <Althego> lol
L330[17:33:24] <sandbox> that's certainly
an anomaly
L331[17:45:26] <raptop> [DATA
SCRUBBED]
L332[17:45:46] <SporkWitch> clearly we
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L337[17:59:13] <Mat2ch> packbart:
what
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L352[18:40:48] <Guest08378> hi
L353[18:41:27] <sandbox> hello
L354[18:41:53] <umaxtu> yo yo yo
L355[18:42:07] <raptop> lo
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L360[18:50:44] <packbart> alright, enough
of the KSP forum for today
L361[18:51:02] <packbart> darsie: the Nyan
cats you saw where shown because it was International Cat Day,
apparently
L362[18:51:24] <packbart> you'll see them
again on April 1st or if something breaks
L363[18:51:42] <packbart> hm.
International Cat Day is in August, though.
L364[18:51:50] <darsie> ah
L365[18:51:57] <raptop> February 22nd is
just cat day in Japan
L366[18:51:57] <packbart> or 17th
Feb
L367[18:52:08] <packbart> On 17 February,
Europe dedicates a day to these extraordinary felines, World Cat
Day
L368[18:52:38] <packbart> The
International Fund for Animal Welfare started celebrating August 8
as the International Cats Day in 2002
L369[18:53:29] <darsie> Does having cats
contribute to animal welfare?
L370[18:53:59] <packbart> don't know, I
more a dog person
L371[18:54:19] <packbart> those animals
should just get a job!1
L372[18:55:17] <darsie> I'm more a cat
person, but we don't have a cat now. We had issues with cats peeing
in my open clothes cupboard. No cups were involved in this
cupboard.
L373[18:55:48] <darsie> WTH do you call
this piece of furniture?
L375[18:56:17] <Mat2ch> packbart: what's
happening in the forum?
L376[18:56:19] <packbart> darsie:
wardrobe?
L377[18:57:07] <packbart> Mat2ch: I
ignored most of the KSP 2 discussions and looked at some KSP 1 log
files to help diagnosing problems with modded installations
:)
L379[18:58:50] <packbart> yeah, I'd call
that a wardrobe
L380[18:58:58] <darsie> ok
L382[18:59:13] <raptop> likewise
L383[18:59:16] <darsie> mhm
L384[18:59:35] <packbart> "An open
wardrobe lets you show off your clothes and shoes."
L385[18:59:46] <darsie> I had to
aggressively chase them out of my room to keep them out.
L386[19:01:09] <darsie> "Hanging your
clothes in the air keeps them fresher for longer, so you cut down
on unnecessary laundry." Do you wash clothes when they have
been in a closed wardrobe for a month? :)
L387[19:02:21] <Althego> lol
L388[19:02:42] <Althego> they want to sell
this to you really badly
L389[19:02:48] <darsie> yeah :)
L390[19:02:53] <raptop> o_O
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L404[22:02:23] <packbart> When you return
to another KSP save after a few months, look at the tracking
station and ask yourself "What's all this stuff?"
L405[22:02:53] <packbart> better check the
open contracts
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L407[22:47:27] <raptop> to do: start a
rumor that Val steals other kerbals organs because hers keep on
getting damaged in all those crashes
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L413[23:13:38] <darsie> t-20s
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L416[23:19:24] <FLHerne> ;outcome add Nunn
Kerman, having had no training on what to do in the event of a
fire, leaves it to go and look for a potato to throw out of the
window.
L417[23:19:24] <LunchBot> Added outcome:
Nunn Kerman, having had no training on what to do in the event of a
fire, leaves it to go and look for a potato to throw out of the
window.
L418[23:20:31] <raptop> is that a
reference to a specific incident?
L419[23:21:09] <FLHerne> yes
L420[23:21:11] <raptop> ...oh, it is
L421[23:21:41] <FLHerne> it makes even
less sense in space
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