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L5[01:07:12] <raptop> !outcome add ATC is confused as to why you want to descend to FL 850, but clears you anyway.
L6[01:07:12] <LunchBot> Added outcome: ATC is confused as to why you want to descend to FL 850, but clears you anyway.
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L13[03:18:06] <X> Virtual Currency Provision in the license agreement uh..wut https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/xPNGgLmJ/image.png
L14[03:18:55] <XXCoder> uh hope ksp2 dont go cybercoin or nft
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L18[03:38:56] <raptop> hopefully just giant boilerplate
L19[03:39:59] <XXCoder> yeah
L20[04:30:05] <X> Is there anyway to move like... side ot side in the KSP?
L21[04:30:14] <X> KSC...*sigh*
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L28[05:55:07] <raptop> like yaw controls?
L29[05:56:36] <X> Like... moving back and forth
L30[05:56:49] <X> Well... I guess you can't land on water https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/c49X3Se6/image.png
L31[05:58:08] <Althego> hehe fly safe-1
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L35[06:23:17] <raptop> !outcome add You save your afternoon by reverting to lunch.
L36[06:23:17] <LunchBot> Added outcome: You save your afternoon by reverting to lunch.
L37[06:23:54] <Althego> hehe
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L40[07:13:16] <raptop> !mission
L41[07:13:16] <LunchBot> You invite everyone in IRC to try your Sausage Rocket Boosters, cooked on your hand-made poodle engine style BBQ. You are pulled over by the Physics police.
L42[07:24:15] <XXCoder> honestly, I saw nothing wrong with just cooking meal for everyone, madam.
L43[07:46:37] <raptop> I really don't know how this angered them
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L49[09:17:28] <X> The physics police aren't angry. They're just enforcing the laws set by society for the good of all.
L50[09:17:56] <XXCoder> sure but I dont see any physics issues at bbq
L51[09:20:17] <X> You must have had a boring physics department
L52[09:30:05] <X> Well that's fun. When I try to name my ship Satelite Mk2.... when I press the M, all of a sudden I'm transported onto the map.
L53[09:37:08] <XXCoder> keyboard have something on it? like a cat?
L54[09:37:38] * minas_tirith pounces on XXCoder
L55[09:44:12] <Mat2ch> XXCoder: NFTs are dead and cryptocoins slowly dying. Nobody is talking about it anymore
L56[09:44:40] <XXCoder> yeah
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L59[09:55:02] <X> No. It's a bug with the saving ships.
L60[09:55:26] <XXCoder> ?
L61[09:55:36] <X> When you press M, it goes to the map
L62[09:55:40] <XXCoder> ahh yes
L63[09:55:43] <XXCoder> interesting
L64[09:55:46] <X> Even when naming your ship.
L65[09:59:34] <Althego> hehe
L66[10:00:14] <XXCoder> i read that ksp2 isnt exactly getting good reviews
L67[10:00:18] <XXCoder> 51% or so good
L68[10:00:37] <packbart> better than EDO at its full release :)
L69[10:00:42] <darsie> Is that comparable to when KSP1 released?
L70[10:01:12] <darsie> KSP1 early acces
L71[10:01:14] <XXCoder> dunno didnt buy it that earlyu
L72[10:01:48] <X> I think KSP1 was in early release for years
L73[10:04:18] <packbart> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerbal_Space_Program#Development quite a while
L74[10:09:23] <packbart> on my first test flight in KSP 2, the decoupler didn't decouple and the upper stage dragged an empty tank along
L75[10:09:35] <packbart> I'll wait some more and play KSP 1 instead
L76[10:12:57] <darsie> I have a kinda minimalistic office PC, 8 pin mainboard power connector or so. There was no graphics card power cable from the power supply, but on it's mainboard there were unoccupied solder holes for one, so I soldered one there. I wonder if it can supply enough current for a better graphics card.
L77[10:13:35] <darsie> its*
L78[10:14:00] <packbart> I hope your power supply doesn't burn ;)
L79[10:14:04] <darsie> I have a 750 Ti now
L80[10:15:23] <darsie> The single thread rating of my i7-3770 is still ok.
L81[10:17:13] <darsie> Will KSP2-linux be available during early access?
L82[10:17:51] <darsie> Well, I could get early access anyways, and wait till -linux gets released.
L83[10:18:05] <packbart> it runs on Linux with Proton
L84[10:18:12] <darsie> define proton
L85[10:18:52] <packbart> but I don't expect a native release during ea
L86[10:19:13] <darsie> Proton is a compatibility layer for Microsoft Windows games to run on Linux-based operating systems.[2]
L87[10:19:23] <packbart> darsie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton_(software)
L88[10:19:26] <packbart> aye
L89[10:20:14] <packbart> although the streamer I watched had fps down to 1. and 6 in the VAB
L90[10:20:40] <packbart> I'm not sure how much translation Proton has to do
L91[10:21:06] <packbart> so you already _can_ run KSP 2 on Linux if you want
L92[10:21:18] <Mat2ch> It runs on Steam Deck so it has to run with Proton.
L93[10:21:37] <Mat2ch> But I will wait for the Linux release as wel.
L94[10:21:38] <Mat2ch> *well
L95[10:22:17] <darsie> Will there be a notice before early access ends?
L96[10:22:31] <Eddi|zuHause> Proton is Steam's builtin WINE-baed compatibility layer
L97[10:22:38] <Mat2ch> darsie: most likely.
L98[10:22:55] <Mat2ch> They announced a real release date for KSP back in the days
L99[10:23:16] <Eddi|zuHause> Proton is the single best thing that ever happened to linux gaming
L100[10:23:23] <darsie> :)
L101[10:24:22] <Eddi|zuHause> i've sat here for like 10 years thinking "it would be so much easier if steam had builtin wine support" and then it actually happened
L102[10:26:36] <darsie> https://www.protondb.com/app/954850
L103[10:26:48] <Eddi|zuHause> also because of proton, no amount of free games can make me switch to epic
L104[10:27:00] <packbart> I'll stick with Windows as a game loader for now
L105[10:27:16] <darsie> I won't buy Windows.
L106[10:29:11] <packbart> I didn't. It was included in the PC I bought ;)
L107[10:29:29] <darsie> new PC?
L108[10:29:31] <Eddi|zuHause> so you did buy it
L109[10:29:49] <packbart> darsie: in 2020
L110[10:29:54] <Eddi|zuHause> just you weren't given an option to not buy it
L111[10:30:34] <packbart> well, I bought it as a game PC, so I actually wanted Windows on it
L112[10:30:35] <darsie> There might have been an option to get a refund from Microsoft.
L113[10:31:17] <Eddi|zuHause> who on earth would bother with that kind of bureaucracy?
L114[10:31:42] <darsie> Free software enthusiasts.
L115[10:32:33] <Althego> ms gets most of its income on enterprise products, normal people dont matter too much for them
L116[10:32:35] <Eddi|zuHause> what does an OEM licence cost nowadays anyway? surely less than 3 digits
L117[10:32:43] <Althego> same for nvidia
L118[10:32:50] <darsie> Just never boot into the installed Windows. Boot from a Linux install USB drive or so.
L119[10:33:35] <darsie> Otherwise you used Windows.
L120[10:34:03] <Mat2ch> Althego: A windows license costs over 100 EUR... they make money with it
L121[10:34:28] <Althego> they do, but they make more from things sold to corporations
L122[10:35:05] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think i bought a windows licence in my life.
L123[10:35:12] <Althego> i did
L124[10:35:23] <darsie> I haven't, eithe.
L125[10:35:40] <darsie> I bought used PCs with Windows.
L126[10:36:08] <darsie> Last Windows I really used was 3.11.
L127[10:36:29] <Eddi|zuHause> i have win 3.11 running in dosbox
L128[10:37:38] <darsie> Can I test if KSP2 runs or Proton for me before I buy it? Or get a refund within 24h or so?
L129[10:37:47] <X> I've bought multiple windows licenses
L130[10:38:04] <X> Like at least 5
L131[10:38:23] <X> I think the most I paid for one was 35 USD though
L132[10:38:30] <Eddi|zuHause> darsie: i'm pretty sure steam lets you refund, if you spend like less than 4 hours in the game, but i never tried it
L133[10:38:41] <X> It's 2 hours.
L134[10:38:51] <X> I just refunded KSP2 so I could buy it cheaper
L135[10:39:03] <darsie> How does it get cheaper?
L136[10:39:06] <X> I got it for 42.50 through GMG.
L137[10:39:33] <Mat2ch> darsie: do you have a steam account?
L138[10:39:36] <darsie> yes
L139[10:39:53] <Mat2ch> Steam allows you to return every game under 2h of playtime.
L140[10:39:59] <darsie> ok
L141[10:40:04] <darsie> Taht's not much.
L142[10:40:14] <darsie> How often can I do this?
L143[10:40:18] <Mat2ch> Well, I wonder if KSP2 still runs without steam...
L144[10:40:21] <Mat2ch> because KSP did :D
L145[10:40:26] <Eddi|zuHause> it might have been 4h in the past but they reduced it?
L146[10:41:10] <packbart> Mat2ch: I started the KSP .exe as usual
L147[10:41:14] <Mat2ch> https://store.steampowered.com/steam_refunds
L148[10:41:19] <packbart> no steam or launcher
L149[10:41:23] <Mat2ch> packbart: with or without steam running?
L150[10:41:29] <packbart> without
L151[10:41:40] <Mat2ch> "The Steam refund offer, within two weeks of purchase and with less than two hours of playtime, applies to games and software applications on the Steam store."
L152[10:42:04] <Mat2ch> So you could by KSP, never play it, return it and still play it?
L153[10:42:04] <Eddi|zuHause> Mat2ch: that doesn't really answer my question
L154[10:42:14] <packbart> hm. if you run it without Steam, they can't count your playtime
L155[10:42:23] <Mat2ch> Eddi|zuHause: I only know of the 2 hours. Never heard about 4.
L156[10:42:37] <Mat2ch> packbart: do you really want to know? I mean reeeaaallllyyy?
L157[10:42:50] <Eddi|zuHause> dunno why i remember 4 then, but whatever...
L158[10:44:30] <packbart> Mat2ch: well, my Steam reports "Play time: 1 minute". I opened the launcher once, closed it and used the .exe instead
L159[10:45:22] <packbart> so yeah, you could probably cheat a freebie out of it
L160[10:45:58] <Eddi|zuHause> well, that's a terrible deal, because you won't get any updates. on an early access game...
L161[10:46:04] <packbart> although I didn't try moving the installation
L162[10:48:55] <Eddi|zuHause> i can't imagine moving the installation is very difficult
L163[10:50:27] <Eddi|zuHause> aanyway, i should probably invest in a new computer before buying any more games
L164[10:51:27] <Eddi|zuHause> my current PC is from 2011 or 2012
L165[10:51:47] <Eddi|zuHause> it's kind of impressive it's been holding on so well for now
L166[10:54:58] <packbart> it's not very difficult. copy from the Steam library to another directory. I'll just check that it starts up
L167[10:55:13] <packbart> that save games are now all in the same location could be more of a problem
L168[10:55:41] <packbart> (granted, it was a questionable decision to save them with the code)
L169[11:00:05] <Mat2ch> But it made it easy to have different installs with different saves
L170[11:03:42] <darsie> Will there be multiplayer?
L171[11:03:51] <packbart> it still starts when moved outside the Steam library. "[LOG 12:01:04.954] Command Line Args:C:\KSP\Kerbal Space Program 2\KSP2_x64.exe"
L172[11:04:12] <packbart> darsie: probably. the decoders say that mp is mentioned all over the code
L173[11:04:42] <packbart> path delimiters are hard. m) "Setting Plugin DLL path to: C:/KSP/Kerbal Space Program 2/KSP2_x64_Data\Plugins\x86_64"
L174[11:04:42] <darsie> I wonder how that work with time warp.
L175[11:04:54] <packbart> nobody knows, yet
L176[11:05:20] <darsie> It snows.
L177[11:07:00] <Eddi|zuHause> packbart: i'm assuming windows just accepts both delimiters nowadays?
L178[11:09:56] <packbart> probably. or maybe Unity changes it before it tries to find any files. it was a log line from some Unity component
L179[11:10:17] <packbart> "The Wwise Unity Integration is a collection of resources that allows the use of the Wwise Sound Engine in Unity games."
L180[11:11:05] <Eddi|zuHause> i love self-referential descriptions like that
L181[11:11:58] <Eddi|zuHause> "the X-Y-integration module is integrating X into Y"
L182[11:15:46] <packbart> "[Authentication]: anonymous login success" - huh. ok.
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L185[12:37:12] <Althego> (local) leet time
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L187[12:57:26] <Althego> lot of bugs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FecbRWJ1OM
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L189[13:01:44] <minas_tirith> packbart, hi uwu
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L193[13:40:50] <Althego> hehe apparently there is a surface on jool
L194[13:40:53] <Althego> in ksp2
L195[13:43:22] <FLHerne> ;mission Jool
L196[13:43:22] <LunchBot> You launch a mission to retrieve a surface sample from Jool.
L197[13:43:30] <FLHerne> so this one is achievable now?
L198[13:44:04] <Althego> at least the probe in the video i saw finally stopped descending when it reached a dark surface
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L200[13:54:48] <Mat2ch> "We slayed the kraken"
L201[13:56:06] <Mat2ch> !outcome add The Kraken's mother haunts you in your sleep.
L202[13:56:06] <LunchBot> Added outcome: The Kraken's mother haunts you in your sleep.
L203[13:59:23] <Mat2ch> !mission add You replace the hydraulic oil in your shock absorbers with little springs.
L204[13:59:23] <LunchBot> Added mission: You replace the hydraulic oil in your shock absorbers with little springs.
L205[14:00:05] <Mat2ch> watching Matts video right now... uh, did they actually test this game?
L206[14:00:17] <Althego> that would be stupid
L207[14:00:30] <Althego> the oil counteracts the effect of the springs
L208[14:00:45] <Althego> if you replace it, the car will become bouncy
L209[14:05:29] <Mat2ch> Hey, it's how shock absorbers in KSP work!
L210[14:07:34] <packbart> I guess Jool's surface still lacks pressure
L211[14:08:04] <packbart> or rather its atmosphere
L212[14:09:10] <packbart> someone was making slingshots to interstellar speeds around the sun's core
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L214[14:31:55] <minas_tirith> .mission furry
L215[14:31:56] <LunchBot> No mission found matching "furry".
L216[14:32:05] <minas_tirith> .mission owo
L217[14:32:05] <LunchBot> No mission found matching "owo".
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L232[18:04:38] <raptop> Mat2ch: what happens if I use mystery goo in my hydraulics?
L233[18:04:53] <Althego> lol
L234[18:04:58] <Althego> that in itself is an experiment
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L236[18:06:43] <raptop> pros: experiment so it should give science
L237[18:06:52] <raptop> cons: you *know* it's going to reduce the TRL of the parts
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L241[18:58:31] <Mat2ch> raptop: You should try it.
L242[18:59:08] <Mat2ch> !outcome add The mystery goo in your hydraulics throw a foam party.
L243[18:59:09] <LunchBot> Added outcome: The mystery goo in your hydraulics throw a foam party.
L244[18:59:17] <SporkWitch> hehe
L245[18:59:34] <SporkWitch> can't wait to see the new experiments and results once science mode comes out
L246[19:03:44] <umaxtu> yeah. and hopefully the modding scene gets up and running soon. I hadn't realized how depended I was on some mods
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L248[19:18:43] <packbart> Code mods are still a long way off, I guess. There appears to be a asset mod loader in the game but it doesn't do anything, yet
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L251[19:19:19] <packbart> and yeah, not even Double Tap Brakes made it (so far) ;)
L252[19:21:50] <raptop> apparently there's currently a mod to have custum flags
L253[19:22:53] <Mat2ch> so now you need a mod? Not just place flags in directory?
L254[19:24:59] <packbart> well they had to go with perfomance-improving buzzwords like data-oriented-thingies and addressable assets
L255[19:25:17] <packbart> so you'd probably need to bake them into a bundle first
L256[19:25:49] <Mat2ch> This is utter nonsense...
L257[19:26:35] <Mat2ch> A system call you make once for a small set of data is not causing noticable slowdowns.
L258[19:26:39] <packbart> hm. I don't think so, tbh. KSP 1's flexibility was rather unusual ;)
L259[19:27:08] <packbart> anyway, we'll see. I reserve judgement until the release
L260[19:27:40] <Mat2ch> I start to doubt the expertise of the current developer team.
L261[19:27:51] <packbart> KSP 1 will be the most complete KSP for the foreseeable future
L262[19:50:54] <SporkWitch> there's a logical reason to not have native custom flag support: multiplayer. Streaming custom assets like that not only creates potential for liability, it can also be a security risk, and a performance issue.
L263[19:52:58] <SporkWitch> of far greater concern is just how bad the current maneuver planner is. Doesn't give you the stats of your predicted orbit as you're adjusting it, and you can ONLY use the stupid pull-tabs to adjust it; don't even get started on trying to move the burn itself. Just took me like 10 minutes of fiddling to get a minmus encounter, where using the maneuver window in the bottom left it normally takes
L264[19:53:01] <SporkWitch> less than 1
L265[19:53:18] <SporkWitch> maneuver planner UI/UX improvements are slated to be coming quickly, though
L266[19:53:53] <SporkWitch> right now, it's enough i think i'll be sticking to rovers and aircraft until it's in; just too frustrating to use the maneuver planner as is. That said, game's still a blast, and absolutely beautiful
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L273[22:00:40] <raptop> !mission
L274[22:00:40] <LunchBot> You discover that some people don't view the glass as half empty or half full, but say instead "What's up with this glass? Excuse me? Excuse me? This is my glass? I don't think so. My glass was full! And it was a bigger glass! Who's been pinching my beer?" The Kraken now lives under the launchpad.
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L279[22:03:44] <SporkWitch> that... actually works semi-coherently. Clearly the Kraken is in league with Cthulhu and is causing madness in mere mortals
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L284[23:01:15] <Guest12775> huh, ksp irc, neat
L285[23:01:39] <sandbox> yes
L286[23:04:08] <darsie> .
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L289[23:05:50] <raptop> ...
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L291[23:36:19] <ZLSA> !mission
L292[23:36:19] <LunchBot> You eggsploit the mission control computers. Your solar panel collides with terrain and is destroyed.
L293[23:36:23] <ZLSA> !mission
L294[23:36:23] <LunchBot> The destruction of Kerbin fills you with a strange sort of melancholy satisfaction. You are now known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm.
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