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L2[00:00:16] <Guest60064> hi

L3[00:00:40] <umaxtu> hullo

L4[00:00:52] <darsie42> .

L5[00:00:53] <Guest60064> I have a question for you guys

L6[00:01:01] <darsie42> prove it

L7[00:01:17] <Guest60064> is there any way to change the main capsule in the editor of ksp?

L8[00:01:28] <Guest60064> i mean

L9[00:01:41] <Guest60064> if you have two capsules in one rocket

L10[00:01:44] <darsie42> You can change how much EC and monopropellant it has.

L11[00:01:59] <Guest60064> but

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L13[00:02:26] <Guest60064> if i want the rocket to be controlled with the other capsule from the beginning?

L14[00:03:33] <darsie> I'm not sure. With controllers you can cycle through normal, reverse and something something.

L15[00:04:13] <darsie> Try making the capsule you want to have control the root part.

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L17[00:04:33] <Guest60064> how?

L18[00:05:17] <darsie> it's the 4th option of edit, move, rotate, root.

L19[00:05:30] <darsie> It's weird in stock.

L20[00:05:34] <Guest60064> oh i see it

L21[00:05:42] <darsie> You have to select another piece ...

L22[00:05:49] <darsie> Works great with EER.

L23[00:06:10] <Guest60064> oh wow

L24[00:06:15] <Guest60064> that worked

L25[00:06:20] <Guest60064> thank you so much

L26[00:06:22] <darsie> rly?

L27[00:06:26] <darsie> The control issue?

L28[00:06:28] <Guest60064> im a begginer hahaha

L29[00:06:35] <darsie> KSP 1?

L30[00:06:43] <Guest60064> i think

L31[00:06:53] <Guest60064> i have just selected the another capsule

L32[00:07:00] <Guest60064> with that option

L33[00:07:01] <darsie> KSP2 testing was just released.

L34[00:07:27] <darsie> beta ... something

L35[00:07:27] <Guest60064> i needed it because i messed up making a satellite

L36[00:07:46] <Guest60064> and i needed to copy it

L37[00:07:50] <darsie> What capsule goes on a satellite?

L38[00:08:06] <Guest60064> but it didn't work cause the entire rocket was selected

L39[00:08:10] <packbart> you can also select another control point on the launchpad

L40[00:08:18] <Guest60064> mabye not a capsule

L41[00:08:25] <darsie> A computer?

L42[00:08:26] <packbart> righ-click the other pod, then "control from here"

L43[00:08:44] <Guest60064> but the probodobodyne HECS

L44[00:08:48] <Guest60064> yes

L45[00:08:51] <Guest60064> a computer

L46[00:09:28] <darsie> Try teh orientation option of the RMB menu.

L47[00:09:44] <darsie> forward/reverse/something

L48[00:10:02] <Guest60064> I already solved it

L49[00:10:07] <darsie> :)

L50[00:10:10] <Guest60064> thanks

L51[00:10:14] <darsie> Does it fly?

L52[00:10:17] <Guest60064> xddd

L53[00:10:31] <Guest60064> i will see in a couple mins

L54[00:10:34] <Guest60064> haha

L55[00:10:42] <Guest60064> it doesnt look bad

L56[00:11:27] <darsie> I could never make sense of the 'pick a part to place' or so in the stock root option.

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L58[00:12:53] <packbart> it works the same as with the editor extension mod. it just picks up the whole assembly so you need to click twice

L59[00:36:16] <packbart> only in early access: fly your capsule through the sun :)

L60[00:38:16] <packbart> -600km and dropping. The Kerbal doesn't like it

L61[00:38:26] <packbart> looks fun, though

L62[00:44:23] <packbart> ( https://clips.twitch.tv/AbstruseBovineMoonCclamChamp-sqtt96N5oxfOCSjQ )

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L68[02:23:36] <packbart> looks like KSP already runs on Linux with Proton

L69[02:25:25] <umaxtu> wellish?

L70[02:26:07] <packbart> it launched a rocket :)

L71[02:26:10] <packbart> ( https://www.twitch.tv/jakeinaboat )

L72[02:31:02] <packbart> https://clips.twitch.tv/HumbleAcceptableGnatCclamChamp-Qiz4niP9diarFhU7 :)

L73[02:40:04] <packbart> those tooltips would drive. me. mad.

L74[02:42:03] <umaxtu> which tooltips? the ones in the mapview?

L75[02:45:14] <packbart> those in the VAB where the text slowly shows up

L76[02:45:22] <packbart> as on one of those fancy 300bps terminals

L77[02:45:44] <umaxtu> oh. I hadn't noticed that

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L80[03:04:11] <Althego> a 3d chicken

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L87[06:18:17] <raptop> !mission

L88[06:18:17] <LunchBot> After mishearing "fluorine," you embark on a quest to locate the rare and even more reactive "ceilingine." You attempt to break the regular expressions engine.

L89[06:18:48] <Althego> the outcome should be a mission

L90[06:20:07] <XXCoder> yeah

L91[06:20:11] <XXCoder> ;mission

L92[06:20:11] <LunchBot> You attach a retroencabulator to your payload. This gives you a harsh reminder of the fleeting nature of life.

L93[06:20:23] <raptop> oh no

L94[06:20:24] <XXCoder> so easy for kerbals to die

L95[06:21:22] <raptop> I'm guessing that the ambifacient lunar waneshaft was fit wrong, so side fumbling happened

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L101[07:42:00] <raptop> huh, my hilariously sub-minimum computer gets 20-25 FPS in the menu screen

L102[07:46:29] <XXCoder> lol

L103[07:47:39] <Althego> but that is not even the game yet, just a menu

L104[07:48:28] <raptop> anyway, going from 1920x1080 to 1280x720 makes it more like 45

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L106[07:49:16] * raptop will be impressed if I get a usable VAB

L107[07:50:11] <Althego> the vab is way faster than the outside

L108[07:50:17] <Althego> like 4 times

L109[07:50:34] <Althego> probably because it doesnt run the physics and there is less to see

L110[07:50:48] <Althego> so i predict the vab is still usable

L111[07:52:46] <raptop> taking a long time to load to the VAB

L112[07:58:58] <raptop> anyway, apparently "pumping sim once" is a known bug

L113[08:04:58] <X> I was able to get it for 42.50 from green man gaming

L114[08:05:35] <X> So I refunded my steam purchase. =)

L115[08:12:38] <Althego> pumping sim once?

L116[08:14:06] <raptop> one of the messages on the loading screen

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L124[09:46:30] <FLHerne> https://i.redd.it/sa7d28esx5ka1.gif

L125[09:47:09] <FLHerne> ;outcome add Physics betrays you just after takeoff.

L126[09:47:09] <LunchBot> Added outcome: Physics betrays you just after takeoff.

L127[09:47:45] <Althego> what, it doesnt even wait that long

L128[09:47:53] <Althego> it betrays you on the runway

L129[09:49:38] <Mat2ch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVpeUc5mIF0

L130[09:49:43] <Mat2ch> ShadowZone about KSP2

L131[09:50:34] <Mat2ch> !mission add You betray Physics with Voodoo.

L132[09:50:35] <LunchBot> Added mission: You betray Physics with Voodoo.

L133[09:50:41] <Mat2ch> !mission

L134[09:50:42] <LunchBot> You reference The Ad. Turns out mission planning technique is more important than rocket size.

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L137[10:40:29] <XXCoder> ;outcome add Clone vats decant Kerbals you had killed by a mission. Again.

L138[10:40:29] <LunchBot> Added outcome: Clone vats decant Kerbals you had killed by a mission. Again.

L139[10:42:56] <Mat2ch> !mission

L140[10:42:57] <LunchBot> You check the checklist. This is due to a tiny fluctuation in the velociraptor.

L141[10:43:27] <XXCoder> checking up what flucation meant I guess

L142[10:43:42] <XXCoder> ;mission

L143[10:43:43] <LunchBot> You sub-contract station construction to an EVE Online corporation. Your orbit follows a Donut curve.

L144[10:43:44] <darsie> This game is cursed. If I increase maneuver delta-v Intersect 1 jumps to a place where the trajectories don't intersect: https://0x0.st/HsIh.png https://0x0.st/HsIF.png

L145[10:44:26] <XXCoder> you sure iot doesnt pass by a planet and alter route?

L146[10:44:42] <darsie> yes

L147[10:44:49] <XXCoder> weird

L148[10:45:15] <XXCoder> on my mission, I guess EVE company likes donuts

L149[10:45:22] <darsie> The ship is close but beyond Kerbins SOI.

L150[10:49:24] <Mat2ch> darsie: on that scale intersects were always tricky.

L151[10:50:04] <darsie> I had an encounter before.

L152[10:50:14] <Mat2ch> I think in that case I made a named save, burnt the previous manouver node and then made mid-course corrections

L153[10:51:25] <darsie> also the intersect markers go away once I get an escape trajectory.

L154[10:52:11] <darsie> This worked before.

L155[10:54:03] <darsie> thx

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L159[11:08:47] <Funkenstein> That looks as if it's pronounced with an Australian accent

L160[11:18:42] <darsie> thx?

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L163[11:42:45] <Mat2ch> lol

L164[11:42:49] <Mat2ch> Funkenstein just joined

L165[11:43:03] <Mat2ch> don't know how that is related to any discussion before :D

L166[11:43:34] <Funkenstein> Lol

L167[11:45:02] <Funkenstein> SporkWitch had suggested a snow armoury would be called a snoarmoury rather than a snarmory, and I thought snoarmoury sounded as if it was best pronounced with an Australian accent

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L177[12:34:47] <pickezzi> hey all, anyone in?

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L179[12:36:26] <darsie> I'm in this universe.

L180[12:36:40] <darsie> I'm inebriated.

L181[12:37:30] <darsie> I insufflated 30 mg caffeine.

L182[12:37:45] * darsie intakes muesli.

L183[12:42:21] <packbart> leet muesli, I see

L184[12:42:59] <darsie> 1342

L185[12:43:26] <darsie> packbart: Are you affiliated?

L186[12:45:23] <packbart> I guess so but nobody tells me anything

L187[12:47:04] <packbart> (actually, I'm the Chief Illuminati around here, so 23:05 would be a more appropriate time)

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L205[18:05:35] <Mat2ch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVpceWrLtWk

L206[18:05:41] <Mat2ch> what a nice clean shave. :D

L207[18:06:08] <Althego> hah a new one, nothing happened for over half a year

L208[18:06:26] <Althego> barely touched it

L209[18:19:01] <raptop> 30 mg? Isn't a can of coke like 50?

L210[18:19:48] <raptop> anyway, I like how the truck *almost* made it

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L212[18:29:39] <Guest99468> I made a ksp2 video showcasing several bugs that I encountered, hoping to help the development team in any way I can. Is there any way I can send the video to the dev team of KSP2? It's sort of a mass feedback to help the dev team spot and eliminate several bugs in one go.

L213[18:31:05] <packbart> Guest99468: I only know the bug report form

L214[18:31:22] <packbart> maybe upload the video and provide a link in the report

L215[18:31:56] <packbart> https://support.privatedivision.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket_form_id=360001675633

L216[18:40:02] <packbart> 'Save game data is stored in "AppData\LocalLow\Intercept Games\Kerbal Space Program 2".' - hrm. running parallel instances in different configurations could get more tricky. we'll see

L217[18:40:25] <packbart> ( https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/212699-modding-ksp-2-what-we-know/ )

L218[18:40:44] <packbart> the forum did spring up the usual KSP 2 modding topics

L219[18:47:26] <packbart> "Given the low fun factor I can only dedicate around 50 watts of electricity to the game." - that's a new equation

L220[18:47:46] <raptop> As best I'm aware, there is/will be a lot of modding info that will require people do shifty-eyes kaomoji when asked how they figured something out

L221[18:48:51] <packbart> well, the existing KSP 1 modding documentation isn't much more than "these classes and fields exist"

L222[18:51:01] <packbart> the Community Fixes mod shouldn't be looked at too closely, either :)

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L224[19:32:16] <Mat2ch> raptop: 32 mg/100 ml is the maximum allowed koffein dose here

L225[19:33:17] <Mat2ch> regular coffee has around 55 mg/100 ml

L226[19:34:34] <Mat2ch> oh and there's coffein in dark chocolate. I didn't know that.

L227[19:34:40] <Mat2ch> That explains a lot :P

L228[19:44:26] <SporkWitch> so i don't know if the new aerodynamic model is necessarily more realistic, as i haven't ended up in a stall that IRL could be recovered by diving and then weathervaning to recover, but it's DEFINITELY more controllable.

L229[19:46:34] <Mat2ch> How does a self-built shuttle handle?

L230[19:46:42] <Mat2ch> That's my main issue

L231[19:46:47] <Mat2ch> with KSP1 at least.

L232[19:47:17] <Mat2ch> Because the magic "drag" which is acting weird turns my ship around and stuff

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L234[19:50:39] <SporkWitch> i just was playing around with the new procedural wings, built something silly lol. VAB doesn't do a great job of reporting TWR or ΔV currently (it's on the WIP list, they know they need to give more info), so building a shuttle or spaceplane would probably be a PITA. This thing handles surprisingly well, though, and i'm about to find out if i can land it on the grasslands here lol

L235[19:50:45] <SporkWitch> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/812736295814168623/1079128292399001600/image.png?width=960&height=540

L236[19:51:18] <Althego> hehe so much wing area

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L239[19:51:33] <SporkWitch> i thought it'd be fun to make something more sci-fi spaceship-y lol

L240[19:52:25] <SporkWitch> the rapiers guzzle methane even in air-breathing mode, though; they feel much weaker than before, which is weird, since most other engines have had both thrust and Iₛₚ buffed

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L246[20:42:14] <Az> ;mission

L247[20:42:15] <LunchBot> You build an infiniglider. Your crewmembers are arrested for flying while green.

L248[20:42:38] <raptop> gotta find something to charge them with

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L253[21:09:54] <Funkenstein> ;mission

L254[21:09:55] <LunchBot> You quadruple check your staging before the flight just in case. [DATA EXPUNGED]. Most of the remains were never recovered.

L255[21:10:18] <Funkenstein> Apparently, the staging was still incorrect

L256[21:11:05] <Funkenstein> ;mission add You incorrectly stage the parts within your fairing.

L257[21:11:06] <LunchBot> Added mission: You incorrectly stage the parts within your fairing.

L258[21:11:49] <Funkenstein> ;mission add Fell creatures knock without.

L259[21:11:49] <LunchBot> Added mission: Fell creatures knock without.

L260[21:13:05] <darsie> define fell

L261[22:08:43] <FLHerne> in the sense of "fierce, cruel, terrible, sinister, malevolent"

L262[22:09:11] <FLHerne> I suppose the sense of "a high barren field or moor" would work too

L263[22:09:21] <FLHerne> fell creatures of that kind are mostly sheep :p

L264[22:11:15] <raptop> It's supposed to be a pun here, right?

L265[22:12:13] <FLHerne> we usually seem to do puns here

L266[22:12:36] <FLHerne> "fell creatures" in the sinister sense is a stock OG-gothic-horror phrase though

L267[22:12:54] <raptop> (That is, the creature is like some Tolkien monster, and might have fallen from orbit onto your rocket)

L268[22:13:16] <raptop> ...yes, I assume "fell" as in "malevolent" with Tolkien >.>

L269[22:13:21] <FLHerne> not sure that makes grammatical sense

L270[22:13:26] <FLHerne> as a pun

L271[22:15:20] <raptop> hrm

L272[22:20:27] <Mat2ch> !outcome add It's now always Monday. Always. And there's no coffee.

L273[22:20:27] <LunchBot> Added outcome: It's now always Monday. Always. And there's no coffee.

L274[22:20:33] <Mat2ch> !mission

L275[22:20:34] <LunchBot> You research the possibilities of demon summoning in the field rocket propulsion. Your R&D department procrastinates on their simulations by playing Cookie Clicker.

L276[22:21:26] <Mat2ch> Good employees (as in: Like to be sacrificed) are hard to find these days.

L277[22:37:40] <packbart> field rockets or field of propulsion?

L278[22:38:31] <packbart> or "summoning in the field" rocket propulsion?

L279[22:38:44] <packbart> not quite sure how to cluster those words :)

L280[22:43:15] <raptop> I'd assume that there's a missing "of"

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L282[22:56:02] <XXCoder> ;mission

L283[22:56:02] <LunchBot> Due to a mild mistranslation, your rocket is transferred from the VAB onto a small toad. The toad's name is "Launch". The results are visible only with a telescope under certain atmospheric conditions.

L284[22:56:19] <XXCoder> HAH!

L285[22:56:47] <XXCoder> ;mission add You go out of your office to get coffee.

L286[22:56:47] <LunchBot> Added mission: You go out of your office to get coffee.

L287[23:03:42] <Funkenstein> ;mission

L288[23:03:42] <LunchBot> Hardly anyone is expected to die, but Gene is against the plan anyway. Wuss. Scott Manley attempts to beat your time on video.

L289[23:04:49] <Funkenstein> ;mission add You reach a landspeed of 11,000m/s

L290[23:04:50] <LunchBot> Added mission: You reach a landspeed of 11,000m/s

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L292[23:08:50] <packbart> !outcome add You "revert to launch" by installing KSP version 0.7.3.

L293[23:08:50] <LunchBot> Added outcome: You "revert to launch" by installing KSP version 0.7.3.

L294[23:09:10] <SporkWitch> look at that water! https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1077829086426169445/1079175499219206144/image.png

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