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L43[11:46:36] <packbart> "I suggest
putting one or two R.A.P.I.E.Rs upside-down as low as you can --
they will lower your CoM. If it gets below the ground, it will
prevent thr rover from flipping in nearly all cases." - huh.
that's a trick.
L44[11:47:12] <packbart> I rarely use these
engines but I remember that thei CoM is offset far from the part
because it's supposed to have a long hidden turbine
L46[11:49:01] <darsie> In the front is a
compressor, then comes the combustion chamber, then the
turbine.
L47[11:49:42] <packbart> the part only
models the nozzle, though, does it?
L48[11:49:51] <darsie> idk
L49[11:49:57] <darsie> Haven't looked
inside.
L50[11:50:12] <darsie> But from what you
quoted it seems so.
L52[11:51:04] <packbart> hm. well, anyway.
I just never thought of putting one of these inside a rover to push
its CoM into the ground :)
L53[11:51:23] <Mat2ch> I wished they would
let us place intakes, turbines, outlets and ducts for the engine.
Would be so much fun
L54[11:51:48] <darsie> Do reversed intakes
work?
L55[12:03:47] <darsie> works
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L58[12:15:40] <Mat2ch> that shouldn't work.
But the turbine might be strong enough to pull in the air from
behind ;)
L59[12:18:18] <packbart> "Intake air
collected varies proportionally with speed and inversely with
altitude. Intakes cause the same amount of drag whether open or
closed." - well, it doesn't say that they need to point
forward :)
L60[12:32:07] <darsie> I though dihedral
would stabilize an aircraft, but it doesn't work here.
L61[12:32:14] <darsie> thought
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L65[12:52:54] <FLHerne> (copy-paste
directly from VAB to craft files and vice versa)
L66[12:54:24] <Mat2ch> Neat. *click*
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L68[13:01:13] *
darsie noticed jet engines have identical Isp at ASL and
Vac.
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L70[13:24:00] <packbart> if you pipe enough
intake air from somewhere
L71[13:27:23] <darsie> There's some air in
engines or intakes.
L72[13:27:27] <darsie> very little
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L74[13:51:23] <Mat2ch> packbart: through
all the holes in the chassis :D
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L86[16:37:38] <darsie> VTOL
L87[16:41:06] <darsie> tweaking some more
...
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L92[18:29:57] <Mat2ch> The clouds from
orbit look weird. But I don't know how they usually look.
L93[18:30:04] <Mat2ch> Otherwise very
neat!
L94[18:30:12] <Mat2ch> I love the
forest.
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L96[18:39:20] <packbart> yeah, the cloudy
cottage cheese is a bit odd
L97[18:40:29] <SporkWitch> they definitely
look worse from orbit than while flying in atmo; i think they'd
benefit from just turning them off once you reach a certain
altitude and use a different method that's both easier and looks
better; no need to do volumetric clouds while in orbit
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L100[19:15:16] <Guest60800> Hm?
L101[19:15:46] <sandbox> ?
L102[19:20:29] <darsie> .
L103[19:20:55] <darsie> Alarm, a guest is
heer.
L104[19:20:56] <darsie> here
L105[19:21:02] <darsie> raptop:
L106[19:21:09] <darsie> packbart:
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L109[19:23:01] <darsie> another
guest
L110[19:23:03] <darsie> gone
L111[19:23:40] <darsie> hi
Guest60800
L112[19:23:45] <Guest60800> hello
there
L113[19:25:02] <darsie> Guest60800: You
can get a nickname that's easier for us to type and distinguish by
typing /nick Massimilla
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L115[19:25:43] <darsie> hi
Massimilla
L116[19:25:45] <darsie> :)
L117[19:25:50] <Massimilla> Hello
there
L119[19:28:05] <packbart> just a Rapier on
a shock cone?
L120[19:28:10] <darsie> kinda
L121[19:28:21] <darsie> There's a half
full fuel tank, too.
L122[19:28:50] <darsie> In the cargo bay
is a battery, an okto2 and a small RW.
L123[19:29:41] <darsie> small control
surfaces, too.
L124[19:30:12] <darsie> A structural tube
for balance.
L125[19:31:30] <darsie> I braked by
pulling up and rolling.
L126[19:31:38] <FLHerne> Does that have
enough fuel?!
L127[19:31:42] <darsie> yes
L128[19:31:44] <darsie> 200
L129[19:31:57] <darsie> Doesn't need much
at 25 km.
L130[19:32:12] <FLHerne> I'm surprised,
Rapiers seem pretty hungry normally
L131[19:32:17] <FLHerne> hm
L132[19:32:31] <Massimilla> Rapiers are
much more efficient for high-altitude aircrafts
L133[19:32:34] <darsie> 0.02 LF/s
L134[19:32:40] <SporkWitch> i only used
them on one flight, but they definitely devoured fuel, even in
air-breathing mode
L135[19:33:32] <darsie> I stayed subsonic
at low altitudes.
L136[19:35:45] <darsie> This one is called
fast 3. 1720 m/s cruise speed.
L137[19:36:24] <darsie> There's
significant centripetal force.
L138[19:41:29] <darsie> Can we see how
much air we have?
L139[19:43:26] <darsie> If you don't fly
high enough when going fast, the shock cone can explode.
L140[19:44:24] <darsie> Or maybe it's
because you can fly faster when there's a bit more air.
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L142[19:47:15] <packbart> you might just
exceed its temperature rating
L143[19:47:28] <darsie> exactly
L144[19:47:45] <packbart> so, put a
heatshield in front of it ;)
L145[19:47:50] <darsie> hehe
L146[19:48:04] <darsie> I tried a
radiator, but then realized I jsut need to go higher.
L147[19:48:35] <darsie> Maybe I could be
faster with a radiator and going a bit lower.
L148[19:49:47] <X> I always thought you
can go faster higher up.... is it a lack of air for the intake that
makes you faster lower?
L149[19:50:14] <raptop> some sort of
tradeoff in terms of intake air, speed, and drag
L150[19:50:15] <packbart> the engines lose
thrust above a certain altitude, too
L151[19:50:25] <darsie> It's more air that
makes you go faster.
L152[19:50:34] <darsie> Because your
enigen gets more thrust.
L153[19:50:36] <raptop> uh, at least for
the subsonic engines, thrust is greatest at sea level
L154[19:50:48] <raptop> though yeah,
there's also the velocity curve
L155[19:52:26] <darsie> X: Deep down in
the atmosphere drag dominates.
L156[19:53:01] <darsie> But you get most
thrust there. And most fuel consumption.
L157[19:53:29] <darsie> Enough thrust for
VTOL.
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L160[20:06:56] <XXCoder> ;mission
L161[20:06:56] <LunchBot> Your mission,
should you choose to accept it, is to return Jebediah from the
surface of the Mun. All space center personnel suddenly start
speaking Finnish.
L162[20:07:20] <XXCoder> I broke physics
so hard it bent all their brains
L163[20:07:27] <Althego> hehe
L164[20:08:29] <raptop> The real reason
for space exploration: finally getting enough distance from the
other kerbals
L165[20:09:16] <Althego> the finnish
speaking kerbals
L166[20:09:30] <XXCoder> lol
L167[20:09:52] <darsie> I played the sound
from the Astronaut Complex and it wasn't forward Spanish. It
sounded reverse.
L168[20:10:08] <Althego> as it should
be
L169[20:10:24] <darsie> But I read Kerbals
speak reverse Spanish.
L170[20:10:51] <darsie> So reversing
Kerbal should be Spanish.
L171[20:11:03] <XXCoder> is it on sentance
basis or word basis?
L172[20:11:04] <Althego> yes. and you said
you heard reverse
L173[20:11:28] <darsie> I reversed Kerbal
and it didn't sound like forward Spanish.
L174[20:11:49] <XXCoder> ie is it "it
is cool" in reverse (looc si ti) or word based (ti si
looc)
L175[20:12:11] <darsie> I don't speak
Spanish.
L176[20:12:35] <XXCoder> well yeah im just
bringing up a possibilty :)
L177[20:12:53] <raptop> Hrm, how different
is es-MX from es-ES?
L178[20:13:04] <darsie> It was like 'tea'
reversed is aet.
L179[20:13:07] <raptop> (...or I guess
es-US)
L180[20:13:26] <darsie> The laughing was
weird, too.
L181[20:17:13] <packbart> I'm more used to
the Chatterer clips and they're heavily mangled sounds from NASA
and russian signal archives
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L186[23:11:20] <whatsEJstandfor> Isn't
Kerbalese just Spanish written backwards and then read out
phonetically
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L190[23:52:42] <darsie> Spanish
phonetically?