L20[06:15:20] <funkenstein> ;mission add You are surprised by the Surprise Moon

L21[06:15:21] <LunchBot> Added mission: You are surprised by the Surprise Moon

L23[08:35:44] <Mat2ch> !mission

L24[08:35:45] <LunchBot> You try to present your findings on a possible link between the Deep Space Kraken and the Horrorterrors of the Furthest Ring, but no one takes you seriously. You find Kashyyyk was in the Kerbal system the whole time.

L44[14:02:35] <packbart> !mission

L45[14:02:35] <LunchBot> You start a large and very expensive campaign to reduce public fear of the word "nuclear". The PrefixCactus finds you. Soon, nothing else matters.

L46[14:02:55] <packbart> no more fear

L48[14:16:57] <funkenstein> ;mission

L49[14:16:57] <LunchBot> You screw maths, and brute-force it with a maneuver node and trajectories. You increase the orbital debris count tenfold.

L50[14:24:33] <Izaya> this is the usual course of events when I use kOS

L51[14:26:18] <raptop> Althego: huh, the phoenix interviewed a bnuuy

L52[14:26:29] <Althego> yes i am watching it

L57[16:47:57] <SporkWitch> KSP2 presentation on PC Gamer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTJXr6f692s

L58[16:53:32] <Mat2ch> anything new and interesting?

L59[16:53:36] <Mat2ch> Or just promotion?

L61[16:57:54] <packbart> can it be both?

L62[16:58:20] <FLHerne> not with the "just"

L63[17:00:22] <SporkWitch> i think some of the clips were new, got to see a little more of the VAB and parts, confirmation of development roadmap, and a tiny bit more about the multiplayer plans, specifically that you'll have the concept of agencies, so you can play cooperatively in the same one, or competitively and have a space race between agencies

L65[17:22:04] <umaxtu> I didn't realize that KSP was big enough to warrant PCgamer coverage

L66[17:22:17] <SporkWitch> space is hot right now

L67[17:27:30] <umaxtu> thanks Elon? seems weird to be saying that genuinely these days

L68[17:27:42] <SporkWitch> he just fired ~90% of twitter lol

L69[17:28:22] <Althego> i guess empty space is even hotter

L70[17:28:28] <Althego> all that empty space in the office

L71[17:28:47] <Mat2ch> We have to save energy and Elon is doing his part.

L72[17:28:59] <SporkWitch> it's not like they did any work either; there've been a large number of videos posted by twitter employees bragging about doing as little as 4 hours of work each week lol

L73[17:31:35] <Mat2ch> there are always people doing only as little as possible in a big company

L74[17:31:40] <Mat2ch> you will not get rid of them.

L75[17:31:53] <SporkWitch> it was noteworthy because that was the standard, not the exception heh

L76[17:32:34] <Althego> the company is not your family, and you dont get anything from the profits either, so you obviously dont work as hard as possible. but yes there are people who work as little as possible

L77[17:36:54] <Mat2ch> and sometimes there isn't much to do.

L78[17:37:03] <Pinkbeast> umaxtu: Eh, I'll give him a bit of credit, it's not every year I get to watch the richest man in the world set 44 billion dollars on fire because he's a chump

L79[17:37:16] <SporkWitch> dunno about that; good chunk of them likely had equity, especially the long-timers. I have equity at my current job, as well, vesting over 3 years, and so I have an incentive to put in good work to raise the stock price, becaues the amount is based on NOW, so if the price goes up over time, i make more money.

L80[17:37:18] <Mat2ch> There are times you have too many sysadmins and there are times you have not enough

L81[17:37:24] <Pinkbeast> I'm kind of waiting to see if Twitter lasts long enough for him to claim to have co-founded it

L82[17:37:30] <Althego> hehe, it is not about hte money, it is about sending a message :)

L83[17:37:39] <SporkWitch> ^

L84[17:37:42] <Pinkbeast> "I'm a chump" is a message, I guess

L85[17:38:28] <SporkWitch> if it wasn't a big deal, people wouldn't be freaking out the way they are. You need to really ask yourself why they're so worried; after all it's "just twitter"

L86[17:38:30] <Althego> think of it, if 90% of the people quit, the remaining 10% will not be able to do the job, with unreasonable workloads, so they will quit too

L87[17:38:52] <Althego> it is just twitter. if twitter disappears i will be fine with it

L88[17:39:15] <SporkWitch> Althego: that presumes it would actually be an unreasonable workload and that there's enough work for them. If you really think about what twitter is, it really shouldn't take a whole lot to keep it running.

L89[17:39:42] <SporkWitch> they don't even do their own hosting, it's on AWS, so really it's just bugfixes, security, and moderation.

L90[17:40:33] <umaxtu> good thing AWS has Mac Minis

L91[17:40:36] <SporkWitch> i will be fine with the death of twitter too, but once again, that's why you need to ask why they're freaking out so much: they lost one of the primary progaganda and narrative control tools

L92[17:41:11] <umaxtu> it is great for keeping track of developing events. assuming you take the time to filter out unreliable sources

L93[17:41:17] <SporkWitch> they're not afraid of being banned themselves, they're afraid people that disagree with them WON"T be banned and they'll actually have to defend claims and positions

L94[17:41:44] <Pinkbeast> Presumably like MySpace etc someone with some sense will buy the wreckage at some point

L95[17:42:06] <SporkWitch> i'm still kind of amazed myspace is kicking around, repurposed as an indie music platform

L96[17:42:12] <Althego> hehe exactly i am waiting for twitter and facebook to end like myspace did

L97[17:42:26] <Althego> even if it is still there, nobody cares

L98[17:42:33] <Pinkbeast> I gather tumblr has mostly risen from the grave

L99[17:42:35] <SporkWitch> it would be pretty glorious; social media is straight up one of the worst cultural poisons ever to arise

L100[17:42:44] <Althego> exactly

L101[17:43:08] <SporkWitch> Pinkbeast: might do; the worst of twitter literally started and spread from tumblr

L102[17:43:38] <SporkWitch> strongly recommend Internet Aristocrat's series on "tumblrisms," it's both educational and entertaining

L103[17:44:47] <SporkWitch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUZkFCRzIUI

L104[17:44:52] <SporkWitch> the whole collection heh

L105[17:50:49] <Mat2ch> I really don't get why Musk went so maniac here. Twitter could make money and be a good place to be.

L106[17:52:16] <Mat2ch> Blue checkmark for verified people, blue bird for pro-supporters (which will not see any ads), some commercial tools for news companies (like having multiple employees post on the main account, from their twitter account. A good rights management I mean here)

L107[17:52:48] <Mat2ch> Maybe longer texts, with a 280 char long teaser? So many opportunities.

L108[17:55:48] <SporkWitch> so, basically the things he's already planning and some of the reasons the people freaking out are freaking out? lol

L109[17:56:50] <SporkWitch> as it stands currently, the verification badge is literally an indicator of Party membership; they don't WANT normal people to verify they're not bots and be seen as credible, they want to be able to make their claims with the appearance of authority while maintaining the ability to dismiss any disagreement that didn't just get banned as "bots"

L110[17:58:01] <SporkWitch> he literally didn't do anything maniacal, he's cleaning house, and trying to turn it from a money pit into something profitable that furthers free expression, even expression others disagree with

L111[17:59:12] <Mat2ch> uhm, I have the feeling you either didn't see the chaos about the blue checkmark or you don't want to see that he's not having a plan.

L112[17:59:40] <SporkWitch> oh i saw it, and you're literally describing his stated plan.

L113[18:00:33] <SporkWitch> said from the start he wanted to open up verification to everyone, have them pay for it, so anyone can prove they're not a bot, and creating a non-ad-based revenue stream

L114[18:01:06] <SporkWitch> dump 90% of the company because they're not needed, don't work anyway, and are generally horrible people, thus reducing costs massively.

L115[18:02:11] <SporkWitch> grrrr, and something went wonky with my ship. it's acting like it's stuck in a swamp, can't change attitude despite having power, control, and reaction wheels...

L116[18:05:27] <Pinkbeast> Mat2ch: best explanation I've heard is that he was in a bubble (and the texts that came out in the court case seem to justify this) which genuinely thought that the inability to yell abuse was Twitter's biggest problem

L117[18:06:14] <Pinkbeast> He certainly seems to have completely missed the actual business model ie 1) give famous people blue ticks 2) ordinary people show up to throw metaphorical tomatos at group 1 3) show adverts to group 2

L118[18:06:29] <SporkWitch> the labeling of anything that diverges even slightly from the radical left's opinions as "abuse" requriing bans (both overt and shadow) very much was the most visible issue. Much of the rest would only become apparent with access.

L119[18:06:31] <Pinkbeast> ... given he's successfully caused an exodus of advertisers and famous blue ticks alike

L120[18:07:35] <SporkWitch> they banned a satire page for naming a biological male their man of the year; that's what triggered this whole saga lol

L122[18:08:14] <Althego> i think this was enough if politics

L123[18:08:16] <Althego> of

L125[18:14:32] <umaxtu> sorry, my fault for getting it started

L126[18:14:50] <Althego> there is barely anything going on here anyway

L127[18:14:58] <Pinkbeast> Mmm, I should probably have resisted

L128[18:29:01] <Mat2ch> we can talk about melting cables!

L129[18:29:36] <Althego> just dont buy nvidia :)

L130[18:30:49] <SporkWitch> or just skip a generation; it's looking like it's probably going to be an expensive mistake, they'll probably correct with the 50-series

L131[18:31:11] <Althego> it was designed at the height of the mining boom

L132[18:31:17] <Althego> assuming anything would sell

L133[18:31:30] <Althego> also it is on 4nm and single chip

L134[18:31:32] <Mat2ch> well, it recent findings suggest that it's not entirely the connectors fault, but the connector itself seems to be not fully connected when they melted.

L135[18:31:47] <Mat2ch> *in recent

L136[18:32:01] <Althego> gamers nexus delivers

L137[18:32:07] <Mat2ch> and it is possible to plug the connector fully in, but not having it latched

L138[18:32:15] <Mat2ch> PC jesus!

L139[18:32:17] <Mat2ch> :D

L140[18:32:25] <SporkWitch> the lawsuits are what will decide it, not necessarily the split of blame. even if it wasn't seated properly, if the courts decide it was too easy a mistake to make, they could still hold nvidia responsible

L141[18:32:45] <SporkWitch> split of fault, rather, not blame

L142[18:32:57] <Mat2ch> There are 50 cases worldwide. nvidia would be stupid to make this a court case. They can just send new cards and cables.

L143[18:33:49] <SporkWitch> even that is still headache and may cause them to decide a redesign for the next generation is warranted, just to head it off

L144[18:35:45] <SporkWitch> never forget how businesses think. Microsoft released the xbox 360 with a known 60% failure rate, wagering that they could eat the losses with their windows profits and the 1 year head start against Sony was worth it. PS2 removed a couple penny part that keeps the CD lens aligned to save money across millions of units, and had to replace nearly every launch-model PS2, and made sure not to repeat

L145[18:35:51] <SporkWitch> the mistake with the PS3.

L146[18:45:48] <SporkWitch> :'( CLS doesn't recognize the flex-o-tubes as crew passable

L147[18:50:19] <funkenstein> ;mission add Gene has a brand new pair of rollerskates, Jeb has a brand new key.

L148[18:50:20] <LunchBot> Added mission: Gene has a brand new pair of rollerskates, Jeb has a brand new key.

L149[19:11:51] <sandbox> I always thought it was stupid when people started claiming that verification meant endorsement

L150[19:12:20] <sandbox> I never saw it that way

L151[19:13:16] <sandbox> anyhoo

L157[20:03:16] <Izaya> I'm a few hours late but I for one appreciate Musk's efforts to promote the fediverse

L160[21:18:07] <SporkWitch> any MKS users have any suggestions on how to use the Atlas-class hab modules? Struggling to come up with a design that doesn't look silly, because they don't sit flat like their icon made them look like, and they don't have a built-in crew hatch