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L12[02:11:56] <transhohmann> speaking of
perfect gravity turns
L13[02:12:42] <transhohmann> I created a
launch vehicle that loses its ability to stay upright at the
correct rate to make the gravity turn on its own
L14[02:13:15] <SporkWitch> lol
L15[02:13:15] <transhohmann> which makes me
wonder, could a rocket be made to use its own weight imbalance to
orbit itself
L16[02:15:42] <transhohmann> hmmmm
L17[02:15:45] <transhohmann> grammar
L18[02:17:59] <SporkWitch> so, splitting
hairs, that's basically what a gravity turn IS. You're not turning
to keep alignment with gravity, you offset yourself the right
amount, at the right point, that the force of gravity causes the
craft to continue to turn at the ideal rate to attain orbit,
without losing prograde thrust due to drag (control surfaces work
by increasing drag to apply an unabalanced force to change
L19[02:18:09] <raptop> Yes, and it's an
interesting challenge
L20[02:18:38] <SporkWitch> attitude), or by
gimbaling your engine nozzles (thus wasting some of its dV to apply
the attitude-changing force, since it's no longer being applied
totally prograde)
L21[02:19:40] <SporkWitch> thus
"gravity turn": gravity is what's causing the ship's
attitude to change
L22[02:21:11] <raptop> the so-called
"zero-lift turn"
L23[02:24:55] <transhohmann> so a rocket
that requires no control is a rocket made properly
L24[02:46:05] <transhohmann> ;outcome add
You look like algae bloom, when you're down.
L25[02:46:05] <LunchBot> transhohmann:
Added outcome: You look like algae bloom, when you're down.
L26[02:46:57] <raptop> ;mission
L27[02:46:57] <LunchBot> raptop: You play
Goat Simulator. You have inspired Danny2462 to do terrible
things.
L28[02:47:06] <raptop> Okay, that actually
fits
L29[02:49:49] <bees> raptop: You attempt to
build a ship in a magnetic bottle. You get to orbit and are not
halfway to anywhere.
L30[03:00:39] <transhohmann> ;mission add
You collaborate on a mission with Dream
L31[03:00:39] <LunchBot> transhohmann:
Added mission: You collaborate on a mission with Dream
L32[03:07:54] <raptop> (As it turns out,
this required several statistically impossible things)
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L35[03:49:32] <SporkWitch> when you put the
cargo container too high to reach without jumping on
minmus...
L36[03:50:17] <SporkWitch> (they really
should do a balance pass on the breaking ground science stuff; i
get it if GRAVITY is too strong to carry an EVA pack and one of
those, but volume being the limiting factor? come on)
L37[04:12:37] <SporkWitch> mistakes were
made. because the minmus mission would take just barely too long
without habitation covered, i decided to add an extra kerbal for
more xp sharing... except that part gets detached before reentry at
kerbin...
L38[04:13:06] <SporkWitch> time for some
EVA reassembly! lol
L40[04:16:51] <SporkWitch> RIP, can't
manipulate the parts i need to, even in orbit :(
L41[04:17:07] <Izaya> if you're dealing
with decoupling away from the root
L42[04:17:13] <Izaya> you'll need to
disassemble it from the other end
L43[04:17:46] <SporkWitch> root's the
command pod, i need to remove the fuel tank, engine, and hitchhiker
storage from the bottom, so i can move the heat shield to the
bottom
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L46[04:18:41] <SporkWitch> there's a decent
chance that the tank and engine will keep things oriented right
during reentry and shield the hitchhiker module until we're slow
enough, but i figured it was worth an EVA rearrangement if i could
manage it.
L47[04:18:55] <SporkWitch> would be the
first time it actually came i nreally useful, given it's so clunky
normally as to not be so lol
L48[04:20:42] <SporkWitch> the real killer?
there IS a 4-person capsule i could have gone with, and i think
it's similar weight lol
L49[04:47:35] <SporkWitch> this... might
actually work... it was going to take a couple aerobraking passes,
but i was high enough up, i set everything sideways for more drag,
and i'm not getting any overheating warnings...
L50[04:48:45] <SporkWitch> i might not even
have to have the extra kerbal jump out after we're slowed down
enough...
L51[04:51:06] <transhohmann> ;outcome add
You elect to get out and push...
L52[04:51:06] <LunchBot> transhohmann:
Added outcome: You elect to get out and push...
L53[04:51:14] <SporkWitch> and i burned off
enoough speed i won't be leaving the atmosphere again heh. just a
long, shallow trip through the upper atmosphere to slow down...
this might be the least heating i've ever had from a minmus return
lol
L54[04:51:29] <XXCoder> lol I once had
pilot come out of ship and push
L55[04:51:31] <transhohmann> wizard
L56[04:51:33] <XXCoder> literally
L57[04:51:34] <SporkWitch> (assuming feram
or the kraken don't strike at the last minute lol)
L58[04:51:47] <XXCoder> ship ran out of
fuel right above 70km
L59[04:51:56] <SporkWitch> oof lol
L60[04:52:00] <transhohmann> I tried
recently and forgot how to fly a kerbal
L61[04:52:06] <XXCoder> so pushing it
slowed it enough to get down to 65 km at lowest
L62[04:52:12] <XXCoder> I just waited
afterwards
L63[04:52:16] <SporkWitch> EVA controls are
terrible, because you can't control roll
L64[04:52:19] <transhohmann> so I melted
him
L66[04:53:19] <SporkWitch> it's not going
to overheat at all
L67[04:53:23] <transhohmann> boinin'
L68[04:53:31] <SporkWitch> single pass, no
multiple dips into the atmo
L69[04:53:42] <SporkWitch> i couldn't have
pulled this off it i'd planned it lol
L70[04:53:50] <transhohmann>
relateable
L71[04:54:31] <SporkWitch> look at the
kerbals' faces, they're not even excited lol
L72[04:55:33] <SporkWitch> just quicksaved,
gonna see if the single XL chute and the tank as cushion are enough
to land this, if not, load the quicksave and i'll have val jump out
when it's safe, then detach the rest as originally planned
lol
L73[04:57:38] <SporkWitch> one lesson
learned from this mission, though: i've been focusing too much on
the MKS stuff that i've added and not enough on KSPI. The one
non-standard fuel engine i got was just amazing, and the different
fuel options open things up a lot. It uses (with my current unlocks
-- KSPI has upgrades, not just new parts, on the tech tree, and
they improve efficiency and add new operating modes /fuels)
L74[04:58:49] <SporkWitch> liquid methane
and oxidizer, or liquid methane and liquid oxygen (methalox).
Excellent ISP in upper atmosphere and vacuum, main difference is
methalox is half the burn time for the same volume of fuel, but
half the mass. definitely adds some complexity to figuring out
what's best, but also opens options up more
L75[04:59:19] <SporkWitch> (and all while
typing this i've still been a fireball, and not a single heat bar
appeared lol
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L78[05:02:32] <SporkWitch> ok, NOW i have
heat bars, down to 40km heh
L80[05:02:59] <transhohmann> forgive my
layout
L81[05:03:31] <transhohmann> this look good
for a mun orbit leading into a minmus flyby?
L82[05:03:36] <transhohmann> and
return
L83[05:03:59] <Izaya> I only run Cryo Fuels
(not KSPI) but I find that LCH4/LOX is basically all you need for
kerbin launch vehicles. If a deinonychus doesn't work, you just
need more of them.
L84[05:05:23] <SporkWitch> Izaya: this was
my first (i guess second; first was testing the engine to see how
it worked; that was that accidental SSTO i mentioned earlier lol)
time using it. i'm still getting used to mutliple engines on a
single stage, but yeah, it's definitely awesome
L85[05:05:49] <SporkWitch> and the EC
requirements on the cryogenic tanks are very reasonable, while
still making you keep in mind for your design
L86[05:06:31] <Izaya> My standard
10t-to-LKO setup is a 1.875m tapered cylinder with a deinonychus on
the end. Once it's up there, I store the engine away for later
return and slap a docking port on the other end, the tank is reused
as a fuel tank.
L87[05:07:57] <SporkWitch> this might be
close; 17km and still at 1.2km/s...
L88[05:08:41] <SporkWitch> almost through
the fire, i can hear it...
L89[05:10:30] <SporkWitch> chute deployed,
vehicle did not tear itself apart...
L90[05:10:49] <transhohmann>
brilliant
L91[05:11:43] <SporkWitch> definitely glad
i didn't go for a do-over when i first noticed the problem, at this
stage, everyone is officially safely home, because the fourth could
safely jump and parachute now
L92[05:12:26] <SporkWitch> and the chute's
got this down to less than 9m/s, i might not even lose the tank
when it lands lol
L93[05:12:36] <SporkWitch> well that was
definitely a good mission haha
L94[05:12:55] <transhohmann> applause
ensues
L95[05:13:04] <SporkWitch> heat bar's still
around 1/3 on the hitchhiker module, slow to cool down haha
L96[05:13:09] <SporkWitch> *2/3
L97[05:16:11] <transhohmann> no
opinions?
L99[05:39:13] <transhohmann> anything
inefficient I'm doing
L100[05:40:22] <Izaya> that video is like
1000 pixels wide, representing what, 4000 pixels across? I can't
see much of anything :p
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L102[05:48:21] <transhohmann> aaaugh
L103[05:48:39] <transhohmann> sorry
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L105[06:11:22] <SporkWitch> lol, testing
the new engine i just got, and my wings are flapping, but i still
have control and nothing is getting ripped off; it literally looks
like this mk3 is flying by flapping its wings lol
L106[06:15:52] *
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L107[06:16:03] <raptop> Then again,
deinonychus is a good name for a smol metholox engine
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L110[06:29:04] <transhohmann> I feel like
I'm over-building for mun vessels
L111[06:29:35] <transhohmann> 5-6k dv is
overkill, right?
L112[06:30:18] <SporkWitch> overbuilding
is better than underbuilding. I've found most of the difficulty
i've run into is from trying to be as efficient as possible. When I
stop trying to min-max and instead focus on getting the performance
i need with margin for error, i spend far less time, which in the
long run, means more science and money
L113[06:30:40] <transhohmann> fair
L114[06:30:48] <SporkWitch> if you really
look at the prices on things, most stuff is priced to make it
disposable if it's intended to be disposable
L115[06:31:37] <transhohmann> and if I had
45kto spend and had to get to the mun, orbit around the mun, and
return
L116[06:31:55] <transhohmann> with 3
kerbals
L117[06:32:48] <transhohmann> and only the
90 science uhh strip and below
L118[06:33:05] <transhohmann> what should
I do
L119[06:33:35] <transhohmann> for some
reason all my craft explode on re-entry
L120[06:34:47] <SporkWitch> are you using
a heat shield?
L121[06:35:34] <SporkWitch> you don't
strictly NEED a heat shield coming from the mun or minmus, but it
makes things much easier. Interplanetary, heat sinks are pretty
much mandatory
L122[06:36:10] <SporkWitch> (just isn't
practical to carry enough dV to circularize at your final
destination just to land and stay, after all)
L123[06:36:20] <transhohmann> mk1 pod with
mk 1 crew cabin, heat shield at base, problem is i keep going in
prograde
L124[06:36:30] <transhohmann> try as I
might not to
L125[06:37:08] <SporkWitch> yeah, weight
distribution issue. toss a speed pair of speed brakes on it if you
have them
L126[06:37:18] <transhohmann> I don't
yet
L127[06:38:27] <transhohmann> I'm in an
awkward position of trying to keep from going broke while also
getting the science i need to further my wealth and research
L128[06:38:38] <SporkWitch> that said,
that passenger cabin really isn't meant for use that way. The
command pods are weighted and shaped specifically to put their
weight at the bottom so that, unpowered, they will naturally orient
themselves retrograde (just as the real world ones they're modeled
after; unlike in KSP, reaction wheels become saturated and can't
just spin you around forever)
L129[06:38:42] <transhohmann> yeah sure i
just described the mode
L130[06:38:59] <transhohmann> but I had 6k
until I accepted contracts
L131[06:39:40] <transhohmann> hmm
L132[06:39:55] <SporkWitch> i know, i'm
just explaining WHY it's being so difficult. Because its weight is
already focused on its bottom, and you're sticking that cabin on it
as well, it's messing with the aerodynamics to that it flips around
to the lowest drag combination, since now your centre of mass is
near the centre, instead of the bottom
L133[06:40:02] <transhohmann> can I eve
from within a fairing
L134[06:40:09] <transhohmann> eva*
L135[06:40:11] <SporkWitch> no
L136[06:40:17] <transhohmann> dang
L137[06:40:23] <transhohmann> that would
have been useful
L138[06:40:29] <SporkWitch> most things
won't work from inside fairings (though i believe antennas that DO
NOT require extending do work)
L139[06:40:50] <transhohmann> what about
the externsl command moduke
L140[06:41:01] <transhohmann> I can'y type
lmaso
L141[06:41:15] <SporkWitch> also, don't
worry about getting dead-ended. you can't actually "lose"
KSP. There's an admin plan in the admin centre that gives you a
bunch of money at the cost of reputation, specifically to ensure
you can't end up at a dead end
L142[06:41:37] <transhohmann> that is how
I am still going at all
L143[06:41:58] <transhohmann> my
reputation is currently 2
L144[06:42:23] <transhohmann> sooo
L145[06:42:39] <transhohmann> command pod
with a cabin on top of it?
L146[06:44:04] <transhohmann> what about 2
mk2 command pods attached to each other
L147[06:44:14] <transhohmann> with a
radiator?
L148[06:44:25] <SporkWitch> see where the
centre of mass is; if it's lower than the middle, might work.
Remember also that you can hit right-shift+f12 (think it's
left-alt+f12 on windows?) to access the cheat menu. no shame in
cheating yourself into orbit to test, then reverting to the
hangar
L149[06:44:37] <transhohmann> OR
L150[06:44:57] <SporkWitch> or you could
do separate missions, cut into your profit margin some, but succeed
much more easily?
L151[06:44:57] <transhohmann> re-entry
modules can get hotter and they are lighter
L152[06:46:38] <SporkWitch> tourist
missions don't have to be done all at once, or even in order. You
just have to ensure that each tourist hits all of his or her
destinations. A single kerbal could even go on multiple missions to
hit all the checkboxes. The only difference is how difficult the
mission is, how what your profit margin will be. But even at one
kerbal per mission, it should at least result in a net profit
L153[06:46:55] <Althego> i often pack 2-3
missions togetheer
L154[06:47:09] <Althego> which can result
in some kerbals getting more for their bucks
L155[06:47:50] <SporkWitch> Althego: all
well and good when you have the right parts for it and are more
experienced, but he's still learning basics and doesn't have almost
any parts unlocked. He's getting himself torn in nots trying to
accompolish a mission that might not even be possible with his
current parts and skill.
L156[06:48:16] <SporkWitch> *tied in
knots
L157[06:48:23] <SporkWitch> (it's 0148,
leeme alone lol)
L158[06:48:48] <Althego> hehe
L159[06:49:47] <transhohmann> I have a
good crew setup now
L160[06:50:04] <transhohmann> this much I
know lol
L161[06:50:34] <transhohmann> who said he
lmao
L162[06:52:11] <transhohmann> I did a
mission with a mk1 cockpit and 2 crew cabins, no heat shield, and
way too much fuel, and it worked fine for 4 kerbals
L163[06:52:35] <transhohmann> now the same
rocket would be too expensive
L164[06:56:01] <SporkWitch> transhohmann:
what's the highest level antenna you have access to?
L165[06:57:00] <transhohmann> HG-5, also
antennae and probes havent been working because of a lack of
electric charge
L166[06:57:10] <transhohmann> which is
ridiculous
L167[06:57:38] <transhohmann> because I
made a satellite out of an okto and several batteries
L168[06:57:43] <transhohmann> and solar
panels
L169[06:57:54] <transhohmann> and it lost
control and could not transmit
L170[06:59:37] <SporkWitch> 1) make sure
to enable "hibernate while in warp" (there's a mod that
sets this automatically; it's ridiculous that it's not the actual
default), 2) always make sure the probe is at an angle where the
most of its panels are facing the sun before you time warp.
hibernate doesn't eliminate power drain, just reduces it massively.
If you're eclipsed or warp a long time, it could still run out, but
as
L171[07:00:44] <SporkWitch> long as you
left it facing the sun with SAS on, it'll keep that facing. Ideally
you want two panels (assuming they're rotating ones) on each side,
and orient yourself so that both face the sun. this way even if you
wait 1/2 a kerbin year, they'll still be able to see the sun
L172[07:01:37] <SporkWitch> also remember
that the further you are from the sun, the less power solar panels
generate
L174[07:02:49] <SporkWitch> regardless,
send a probe to kerbin. if you've already gotten all you can from
space, send a kerbal. it costs about the same dV as the mun to get
there, but it's MUCH less, and much easier, to land and come back
up (a kerbal can literally use its backpack to reach minmus
orbit)
L175[07:02:56] <SporkWitch> *send a probe
to minmus
L176[07:03:14] <SporkWitch> there's also a
few hundred science points to gather at the KSC itself if you're
patient enough to walk / rover around.
L180[07:11:37] <transhohmann> I did all
the ksc science
L181[07:12:28] <transhohmann> so minmus
probe? or minmus kerbal
L182[07:12:51] <transhohmann> I wasn't
sure which you were recommending
L183[07:13:01] <SporkWitch> kerbal will
get you a lot more science, probe is a lot easier and cheaper
L184[07:13:19] <SporkWitch> it'll also get
you a couple hundred thousand spacebucks for the world firsts
L185[07:13:34] <transhohmann> I have done
a fly-by
L186[07:13:39] <transhohmann> but not an
orbit
L187[07:14:01] <SporkWitch> (the further
it is from kerbin / the harder it is to get to, the higher the
science multiplier is; experiments have a base rate, then a
multiplier based on the SOI and biome)
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L190[07:38:43] <transhohmann> I see
L191[07:38:56] <transhohmann> quoth the
blind whore
L192[07:50:07] <transhohmann> circular
orbit, 126km
L193[07:50:20] <transhohmann> 1347cv
L194[07:50:23] <transhohmann> dv
L195[07:50:29] <transhohmann> should be
fine, right
L196[07:50:32] <transhohmann> ?
L197[07:51:46] <transhohmann> to get to
minmus, I mean
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L211[10:49:38] <transhohmann> ;outcome add
You are flayed by flayer
L212[10:49:38] <LunchBot> transhohmann:
Added outcome: You are flayed by flayer
L213[11:01:19] <Althego> ;outcome add You
are fined five credits for repeated violations of the verbal
morality statute.
L214[11:01:19] <LunchBot> Althego: Added
outcome: You are fined five credits for repeated violations of the
verbal morality statute.
L215[11:02:36] <flayer> no need to scrape
and bow, we can be heroes now
L216[11:16:07] <transhohmann> jjust for
one day?
L217[11:16:10] <transhohmann> hehe
L218[11:17:41] <flayer> for MORE than just
one day
L219[11:17:44] <flayer> here's how:
L220[11:17:53] <flayer> look both ways
when crossing roads, don't wear slippers 'til you're old
L221[11:17:56] <flayer> and never do what
you are told.
L222[11:18:23] <darsie> :)
L223[11:18:36] <darsie> transhohmann: Are
you a trans man? :)
L224[11:19:09] <transhohmann> I love
L225[11:19:15] <darsie> yay :)
L226[11:19:22] <transhohmann> it was a
lame david bowie reference
L227[11:19:28] <darsie> hmm
L228[11:19:35] <transhohmann> and I am a
trans girl
L229[11:19:42] <darsie> ohh
L230[11:20:03] <transhohmann> and my
username is a pun about orbital mechanics and being trans
L231[11:20:23] <transhohmann>
"ohh
L232[11:20:28] <transhohmann> what
L233[11:21:08] <darsie> I didn't expect my
joking question to be that true.
L235[11:32:11] <transhohmann> I can now
confirm that a pomegranate attached at the base to either another
pomegranate or a pea with a few chutes tucked in the middle and a
heat shield on either end is the best way to land
L236[11:32:35] <transhohmann> if
attempting to transport multiple kerbals at low cost
L237[11:33:06] <transhohmann> especially
if you're coming in hot\
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L241[11:36:12] <transhohmann> is it
possible to send data from a rocket back to kerbin on its own while
still landing your rocket wherever you are?
L242[11:36:39] <transhohmann> like landing
kerbals on the moon, and sending a probe back with the
science
L243[11:37:01] <Althego> there is the
science container thingy, that can take every experiment
resuly
L244[11:37:09] <Althego> and sturdy
too
L245[11:37:15] <Althego> so a small probe
can take back everything
L246[11:37:24] <transhohmann> not the
science jr?
L248[11:37:48] <transhohmann> AH
L249[11:38:01] <Althego> can function as a
heat shield and a landing part too
L250[11:38:03] <transhohmann> I tired to
find the doors on it for quite a long time
L251[11:38:21] <transhohmann> I thought it
was a cargo bay-like item forgoo and such
L252[11:38:31] <Althego> no, you transfer
science
L253[11:38:31] <transhohmann> I feel so
stupid
L254[11:38:37] <Althego> like you transfer
crew
L255[11:38:43] <transhohmann> I get it
now
L256[11:38:52] <transhohmann> I don't know
how I ever didn't
L257[11:52:26] <sandbox> I haven't had a
good pomegranate in too long
L258[11:59:52] <transhohmann> nor have
I
L259[12:00:17] <transhohmann> the command
pos sort are too chewy
L260[12:00:27] <transhohmann> pod
L261[12:21:49] <transhohmann> one mission
and everyone is happy
L262[12:23:20] <sandbox> one carth and
everyone is unhappy
L263[12:37:42] <transhohmann> ;mission add
one cath and everyone is unhappy
L264[12:37:42] <LunchBot> transhohmann:
Added mission: one cath and everyone is unhappy
L265[12:37:56] <transhohmann> oh no
L266[12:38:31] <transhohmann> ;mission
remove one cath and everyne is unhappy
L267[12:38:31] <LunchBot> transhohmann: No
mission found matching "remove one cath and everyne is
unhappy".
L268[12:40:37] <Althego> there is a
replace function somehow
L269[12:40:46] <Althego> that can fix
typos
L270[12:41:00] <Althego> ;help
mission
L271[12:41:00] <LunchBot> Althego: I am a
bot operated by FLHerne. Try
!{nextlunch,lunchmode,mission,outcome,stupid,colloid,colloid²,nextfrog,rocks,space!,nextbankruptcy,nextpinecone,nextyear,nextfire,banlist,wenhop,help}
help.
L272[12:41:43] <Althego> ;mission
L273[12:41:43] <LunchBot> Althego: You eat
rocket candy like it's pixie sticks. The Kraken now lives under the
launchpad.
L274[12:41:56] <Althego> doesnt want to
tell me how the replace is called
L275[12:42:06] <Althego> !mission
L276[12:42:06] <LunchBot> Althego: You
intentionally lithobrake. Your rocket goes to jail for illegal
possession of a kerbal.
L277[12:43:39] <FLHerne> ;mission
help
L278[12:43:39] <LunchBot> FLHerne:
Commands are: help, list, add <mission>, del[ete]
<search>, fixup s/<old>/<new>/, [get]
[<search>]. I am operated by FLHerne.
L279[12:44:29] <FLHerne> that should
probably be an outcome, anyway
L280[12:44:40] <FLHerne> ;mission del one
cath
L281[12:44:40] <LunchBot> FLHerne: Deleted
mission: "one cath and everyone is unhappy"
L282[12:45:43] <FLHerne> ;outcome add One
carth and everyone is unhappy.
L283[12:45:43] <LunchBot> FLHerne: Added
outcome: One carth and everyone is unhappy.
L284[12:45:51] <FLHerne> I still don't
know what that even means
L285[12:48:28] <sandbox> it's a reference
to an existing mission that's a reference to Kotor
L286[12:49:00] <Deddly> What's a
carth?
L287[12:49:03] <Deddly> !nextlunch
L288[12:49:03] <LunchBot> Deddly: Random
leftovers.
L289[12:49:10] <Deddly> Suits me
L290[12:49:37] <sandbox> Mission is a
character in Kotor, and so is Carth
L291[12:50:08] *
Deddly pretends to know what Kotor is
L292[12:50:09] *
flayer tickles Deddly
L293[12:50:32] *
Deddly collapses into a heap, giggling uncontrollably.
L294[12:51:00] <sandbox> Star Wars:
Knights of the Old Republic
L295[12:51:09] <Deddly> Oh...
L296[12:51:19] *
flayer sings "The day I rob a bank is the first day of my life
as an honest man."
L297[12:51:29] <Deddly> See, I'm usually
about twenty or thirty hears behind on the Star Wars films
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L299[12:51:46] <sandbox> Bioware
game
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L301[12:52:11] <Deddly> ...and I'm 70
years behind on the games
L302[12:54:41] <Deddly> No wait... I did
play a Star Wars game on the Playstation 2
L303[12:56:38] <sandbox> !mission
L304[12:56:38] <LunchBot> sandbox: You
switch the safeties off for an experiment. This is widely
considered to be a bad move.
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L306[12:59:22] <transhohmann> lol doing
the onasi
L307[13:01:59] <sandbox> I would've gone
with Zaalbar
L308[13:05:30] <transhohmann> aah whatever
lol
L309[13:06:31] <sandbox> no mission for
you
L310[13:32:55] <transhohmann> soup
declined
L311[13:33:31] <transhohmann>
additionally, all your outcome are belong to us
L314[13:44:18] <flayer> nice
L315[13:45:45] <darsie> :)
L316[13:49:48] <darsie> My friend wants to
fly to vacation with me, but flying is harmful to the environment,
so I said I'll fly with her, if she does Duna sample return
mission. Not she managed to land that rocket without falling over,
but SAS will stop once she gets out to get the sample.
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L318[14:27:34] <transhohmann> 5000dv to
mnmus, the mun, back to minmus, and back to kerbin
L319[14:30:54] <transhohmann> probably not
that great, but I surprised myself
L320[14:33:24] <flayer> including lift off
from kerbin and landing on the mun/minmus?
L321[14:42:18] <darsie> impossible.
L322[14:42:32] <transhohmann> no landing,
just pe under 20km for science
L323[14:42:43] <darsie> Unless some
serious jetpacking is involved :).
L324[14:43:04] <transhohmann> also the 2nd
pass of minmus was entirely accidental
L325[14:44:10] <flayer> lol
L326[14:44:54] <darsie> A lander can left
on the Mun might do the trick.
L327[14:45:07] <transhohmann> i escaped
mun went around kerbin for a bit, then a week later minmus, then
after escapinng minmus I tried to go to mun then kerbbin and went
back and forth in warp
L328[14:45:55] <transhohmann> this whole
thing took 72 days
L329[14:47:39] <flayer> so you started in
november?
L330[14:49:37] <transhohmann> in game
days
L331[14:49:46] <transhohmann> yeef
L332[14:52:01] <flayer> XD
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L334[15:32:27] <SporkWitch> The seashells
are just confusing, and he needed TP! [06:01:19] <@Althego>
;outcome add You are fined five credits for repeated violations of
the verbal morality statute.
L336[15:36:13] <SporkWitch> Limited time
window; add during the window and it's yours to keep, miss it and
you'd have to buy it. It's not worth paying money, but for free?
It's an okay time-killer
L337[15:36:43] <SporkWitch> (the VR
support is also pretty good, since due to the intentionally poor,
console-tier graphics, everything is big enough to be easily
readable)
L338[15:37:46] <SporkWitch> correction,
it's not a free to keep, it's just a 48 hour trial; on sale for
11.99 USD. If you're hard into star wars, i could see it being
worth that sale price
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L341[15:51:22] <darsie> Are there blood
mods?
L342[15:51:39] <darsie> Or scream
mods?
L343[15:56:01] <raptop> TIE Fighters
normally scream
L344[15:57:35] <sandbox> blood for the
blood mod
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L347[16:17:50] <Deddly> Since blood and
gore are against the rules, you'll have to look for that yourself,
sorry.
L348[16:19:33] <SporkWitch> can always
texture the blood white and claim it's spit *looks at early Mortal
Kombat trying to get around censorship*
L349[16:19:42] <Deddly> darsie, that
rocket-righting was amazing :D
L350[16:19:47] <darsie> :)
L351[16:19:53] <darsie> magical :)
L352[16:23:05] <SporkWitch> when in doubt:
spin lol
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L354[16:30:21] <darsie> Spin and
turn.
L355[16:34:59] <SporkWitch> it's a LITTLE
cheaty, but I've just been abusing the crap out of the Ground
Tether option added by either KSPI or MKS. Things really are just
far bouncier than they should be, and it also seems to address the
issues with things "jumping" when loading
L356[16:37:23] <bees> sandbox: You accept
payment for your services in wooden nickels. For all intensive
porpoises, the mission was a success.
L357[16:39:18] <sandbox> I'll try
spinning, that's a good trick!
L358[16:41:25] <darsie>
roll+pitch+yaw
L359[16:42:09] <darsie> The rocket being
non cylindric may have helped, too.
L360[16:59:30] <Deddly> <bees>
...intensive porpoises... <-- LOL :)
L361[17:11:10] <SporkWitch> i am in love
with nuclear engines lol
L362[17:11:45] <SporkWitch> just built a
mk2 with a single direct cycle nuclear turbojet shoved up its butt,
and it shot vertically to a 50km apoapsis lol
L363[17:11:53] <Althego> do you intend to
start a nuclear family? :)
L364[17:12:14] <Althego> nuclear turbojet
should also work on eve
L365[17:12:14] <SporkWitch> Althego: in
fact, yes, if there are any sane females left in the world in my
age range
L366[17:12:27] <SporkWitch> yeah, it
doesn't care WHAT the gas is, just needs reaction mass
L367[17:13:05] <SporkWitch> once this baby
gets warmed up it goes to over a 3:1 TWR
L368[17:13:58] <SporkWitch> i don't have
shock cones on this save, or it could have done more, but the
adjustable ramp intake is the best I had, so it couldn't get enough
air past about 15km or so
L369[17:18:19] <SporkWitch> and there goes
my nose and wings lol
L370[17:18:59] <SporkWitch> i still have
remarkable control thanks to the shape of the mk2 body... i'm gonna
laugh if i can keep the cockpit intact on a water landing
L371[17:21:14] <SporkWitch> nope lol
L372[17:28:56] <SporkWitch> is this one of
my mods, or have you always been able to look at the sky and if
other planets were in the field of view, mousing over them shows
their names?
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L382[18:13:36] <raptop> !outcome add You
add enough boosters to switch from a Minkowsky to a Schwarzschild
metric.
L383[18:13:36] <LunchBot> raptop: Added
outcome: You add enough boosters to switch from a Minkowsky to a
Schwarzschild metric.
L384[18:13:51] <raptop> (Yes, I know KSP
doesn't do relativity)
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L387[18:17:51] <Althego> hehe
L388[18:20:04] <Althego> does antimatter
has a hazard triangle symbol? like nuclear, biohazard, laser?
L389[18:20:05] <darsie> Do you believe the
universe is flat?
L390[18:20:32] <darsie> Typical antimatter
encounter would be positrons, so radiation.
L391[18:20:32] <Althego> the universe is
mostly flat
L392[18:21:05] <Althego> if tiberium has
one, even though it is fictional, antimatter should too
L393[18:21:12] <darsie> also creates
gammas on annihilation.
L395[18:22:20] <Althego> cognitive hazard
lol
L396[18:22:41] <darsie> :)
L397[18:23:29] <Althego> why would a
macroscale quantum system be dangerous?
L398[18:23:48] <darsie> Cows kill ppl in
Austria.
L399[18:24:34] <SporkWitch> i read that as
Australia and was about to point out that EVERYTHING kills people
there lol
L400[18:24:35] <darsie> Then there's
Schrödinger's cat.
L402[18:25:01] <Althego> a youtuber names
schrödinger's cat died a few days ago
L403[18:25:06] <raptop> darsie: cows are
part of how CH keeps its independence, right?
L404[18:25:12] <darsie> Althego: Are you
sure? :)
L405[18:25:13] <raptop> Althego: F
L406[18:26:19] <Althego> SporkWitch: not
even the phoenix is propagating the austria - australia joke
anymore
L407[18:26:58] <darsie> Oh, that was an
at/au pun.
L408[18:27:16] <darsie> oh, it
wasn't.
L409[18:27:27] <SporkWitch> Althego:
wasn't a joke, i literally did misread it as "australia"
at first, because you hear a lot more about australia than austria,
at least in the english-speaking world.
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L411[18:28:52] <SporkWitch> Only thing I
know about Austria is they really love their authoritarianism,
between two world wars, and now their handling of the plague
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L414[18:29:14] <sheeep> hey hey
L415[18:29:21] <raptop> hmm
L416[18:29:35] <sheeep> need little help
in career mode^^
L417[18:29:47] <SporkWitch> sheeep: If you
have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with
___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the
following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if
you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're
all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later.
L418[18:29:49] *
raptop randomly guesses that the answer is Minmus
L419[18:30:06] <SporkWitch> when
ISN"T minmus the answer? all that delicious mint ice
cream
L420[18:30:17] <raptop> :9
L421[18:30:21] <sheeep> wrong guess
L422[18:30:38] <Althego> hehe
L423[18:30:54] <sheeep> i have a damaged
VAB and i cant repair it.. the button still shows
"waiting"
L424[18:30:56] <Althego> if minmus isnt
the asnswer you are not using enough of it?
L425[18:31:15] <darsie> sheeep: Have you
tried pressing alt-F4?
L426[18:31:17] <raptop> huh, odd. Is that
mod-related?
L427[18:32:15] <Althego> hehe
L428[18:32:17] <raptop> (like, I thought
repairs were instant)
L429[18:32:23] <sheeep> mmh, some mods are
up.. sure. but thats possible?
L430[18:33:02] <raptop> KCT comes to mind
as something that would make repairs take time
L431[18:33:30] <Althego> the construction
workers are on strike :)
L432[18:33:38] <sheeep> seems like^^
L433[18:34:15] <Althego> or you sent them
away on missions
L434[18:34:16] <sheeep> perhaps i need a
look in my persistent.sfs
L435[18:38:08] <raptop> Editing the right
line in there will definitely fix the problem
L436[18:39:47] <SporkWitch> Althego:
"if violence wasn't your last resort, you failed to resort to
enough of it." Maxim 6 of The Seventy Maxims of Maximally
Effective Mercenaries
L437[18:40:31] <SporkWitch> (wish the
author had the money to fight those jerks at "7 habits of
highly effective people"; his "7 Habits of Highly
Effective Pirates" was clear and obvious fair use
parody)
L438[18:41:14] <sheeep> yep.. editing
persistent.sfs fixed my problem..
L439[18:41:40] <sheeep> but im glad that
this channel here is still alive =))
L440[18:41:51] <darsie> .
L441[18:43:02] <raptop> yay
L442[18:45:18] <Althego> imagin if you
came here and nobody was here
L443[18:45:27] <Althego> "emotional
damage"
L444[18:45:47] <sheeep> but i helped
myself already.. =D
L445[18:48:02] <raptop> Althego: I guess
I'd be sure to say hi to Odysseus?
L446[18:48:52] <Althego> i dont get
that
L447[18:51:35] <Althego> i remember at one
point we needed to read the odyssey from homer. it was painful. i
dont remember anything :)
L448[18:56:25] <raptop> I think he
technically called himself noman, but it was some silliness when
talking with the cyclops
L449[18:57:30] <raptop> Anyway, I liked
the Robert Fagles translation, but have heard really good things
about Emily Wilson's
L450[19:02:14] <Althego> yay chiptune
bgm
L451[19:04:56] <raptop> yay
L452[19:06:03] <Althego> kikkerikii
L453[19:09:45] <Althego> oh no i keep
forgetting to save the gog installers on the external drive
L454[19:10:12] <raptop> F
L455[19:11:59] <SporkWitch> gog are jerks.
totally abandoned supporting linux and DRM-free
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L457[19:50:30] <raptop> !mission add You
forget to check yo' staging.
L458[19:50:30] <LunchBot> raptop: Added
mission: You forget to check yo' staging.
L459[19:52:42] <darsie> Checklist:
Staging, electric, comm, crew, engineer report.
L460[19:53:17] <raptop> (part of a
continuing series in flying unsafe)
L461[19:53:21] <Althego> i guess
parachutes are in the staging
L462[19:53:44] <raptop> Flying keter: when
your boosters can't be contained
L463[20:02:30] <Althego> maybe in a
matroska container
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L471[21:13:16] <sheeep> mh
L472[21:16:59] <darsie> .
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L474[21:20:10] <SporkWitch> packbart: you
said mobile workshop and the only thing i found was the tundra
mobile workshop, which is anything but mobile and i couldn't find
any non-hideous way to make it mobile. Doing some more research
into mechanics and stuff and saw a picture of a cool truck that
clearly had the logo on it... dug around thoroughly in the tech
tree, and i found it lol. That is clearly MUCH better lol
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L477[22:45:32] <transhohmann> tasty
scroolback
L478[22:46:22] <transhohmann> I need a bit
of advice on what tech to unlock next
L479[22:46:47] <transhohmann> I've been
perseverating for hours
L480[22:46:59] <transhohmann> in true
Obi-Wan fashion
L481[22:47:45] <flayer> go for the ones
that allow to collect more science
L482[22:47:53] <flayer> mostly at the
bottom
L483[22:48:04] <transhohmann> then I still
have options
L484[22:48:33] <transhohmann> I have most
of tier 5
L485[22:48:40] <flayer> but really, in
stock science kerbal, just do a thorough minmus mission and you've
got everything
L486[22:49:36] <transhohmann> except
heaviy rocketry, propulsion systems, aerodynamics,
miniaturization
L487[22:49:53] <transhohmann> and space
exploration
L488[22:50:41] <transhohmann> yes, but I
made the best rocket I could come up with and I could only do a
quick orbit of minmus
L489[22:53:16] <transhohmann> ;outcome add
you shatter everyone's previous expectations of flan
L490[22:53:16] <LunchBot> transhohmann:
Added outcome: you shatter everyone's previous expectations of
flan
L491[22:54:03] <transhohmann>
;mission
L492[22:54:03] <LunchBot> transhohmann:
You attempt to hijack a fully-fueled and ready-to-launch rocket
sitting on the pad. And it was full of stars!
L493[22:54:11] <transhohmann> jeez
L494[22:54:21] <transhohmann> hot and
heavy rocket
L495[22:57:45] <transhohmann> ALL THE
TUTORIAL VIDEOS ARE FOR SCIENCE MODE
L496[22:57:49] <transhohmann> what
gives
L497[22:58:45] <transhohmann> in addition,
who was mentioning a deep voice ksptuber?
L498[22:59:07] <transhohmann> could it be
shadowzone,
L500[23:04:08] <darsie> COSMO-SkyMed
Second Generation FM2 Mission
L501[23:04:29] <transhohmann> yay
L502[23:04:43] <transhohmann> now what is
wrong with my rockets
L503[23:05:37] <transhohmann> 3
jails
L504[23:07:19] <darsie> transhohmann: We
could tell you how to progress quickly, but then you'd miss out
doing lots of other stuff. It's like going on a country road vs. a
highway.
L505[23:07:56] <transhohmann> currently
I'm just trying to get to minmus with more thar 300m/s left
L506[23:08:09] <transhohmann> and that's
not even landing
L508[23:09:59] <transhohmann> 2
minutes
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L510[23:20:23] <transhohmann> woo
L511[23:20:31] <darsie> gn
L512[23:21:30] <transhohmann> gm
L513[23:21:33] <transhohmann> hehe
L514[23:21:40] <darsie> :)
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L516[23:29:58] <transhohmann> aaa seeing
darsie on the wiki is rad
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