L12[04:15:56] <packbart> SporkWitch: I use GC, not MKS (and not Interstellar, either)

L15[04:54:09] <Althego> yay owl singing

L18[05:48:37] <transhohmann> that was a strange beast of a submarine

L19[05:49:08] <transhohmann> managed to get to minmus and the mun with my previous mun vessel

L20[05:52:21] <transhohmann> somehow managed to make it a 60 day trip

L23[06:40:06] <XXCoder> ;mission

L24[06:40:06] <LunchBot> XXCoder: You discover an ancient Tnuctipun plush weapon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14.

L25[06:40:39] <XXCoder> good idea to tope it out

L26[06:41:24] <XXCoder> very, very good idea to nope it out.

L28[07:15:15] <join_subline> we need and offshoot KSP.... Kerbal Submarine Program , for the win

L29[07:15:36] <darsie> :)

L30[07:15:57] <Althego> i wanted a space boat pier on the shore

L31[07:16:08] <Althego> it was always hard to test stuff made for water

L32[07:18:26] <join_subline> d-(0_0)z

L33[07:20:22] <darsie> Yeah, going to the beach with rovers or rockets is tedious.

L34[07:20:33] <Althego> now you can reposition

L43[10:50:46] <XXCoder> DLC of ability to set bases on other planets

L44[10:51:40] <XXCoder> just add very heavy colonize module, then food pack, then people

L50[12:37:00] <darsie> 1337

L51[12:37:09] <flayer> nice

L52[12:37:27] <darsie> .

L61[15:07:31] <Althego> kikkerikii, but it is pokemon again

L62[15:13:37] <darsie> .

L63[15:38:40] <raptop> oh https://twitter.com/NASAWebb/status/1487094799408762881

L66[17:09:13] <packbart> hm. Jake is *still* tinkering with da disposable-propeller EVE ascent vehicle

L67[17:09:48] <SporkWitch> meanwhile i'm trying to figure out how to fuel this reactor. the tank editor doesn't offer up any of the fuels the nerva has as options lol

L69[17:16:48] <packbart> yeah, I was just suprised to see the old idea remastered. haven't watched him in KSP for a while ( https://www.twitch.tv/jakeinaboat )

L70[17:17:07] <packbart> the editable tank presets probably work for stock fuels and resource, mostly

L74[17:55:32] <SporkWitch> i think it just bugged out... it DOES want enriched uranium when in its default Uranium Oxide mode, and it uses so little that the 2 units it starts with would be more than enough for the missions i have planned for it. It doesn't seem to pass fuel from the tank for some reason and lost its internal storage, so somewhere in there is what bugged and why it said it was out of fuel

L79[18:29:09] <SporkWitch> trying to deorbit and recover my engine, and as soon as i deploy chutes all the parts rip apart :'( lol

L92[18:58:17] <Althego> so not only earth is fucked, but we are too

L93[18:58:38] <packbart> the planet is fine

L94[18:58:52] <Althego> george carlin

L95[18:59:16] <Althego> save the planet?

L96[18:59:22] <SporkWitch> even strutting the crap out of it, it just rips itself apart the instant the partial-deployment drogue goes out >_<

L97[18:59:24] <packbart> great philosopher

L98[18:59:41] <Althego> oh no, it was wrong channel

L99[19:00:10] <Althego> and with a swear word too

L100[19:00:33] <darsie> People were upset and sad when Harambe was shot. But in the wild a lot more Gorillas are killed.

L101[19:01:05] <Althego> havent seen that kind of failure. i have seen things blow themselves up, because of clipping, but just because of chutes, that is strange

L102[19:01:14] <SporkWitch> i'm still pissed that they shot the poor tiger instead of florida man; kitty just wanted a snack, and florida man offered his arm, as florida man does

L103[19:01:40] <darsie> Disrupting the food chain by greatly reducing insects isn't wise, either.

L104[19:02:17] <darsie> SporkWitch: Yeah, but habitat destruction kills a lot more tigers.

L105[19:03:15] <darsie> Humans are such an evil pest.

L106[19:03:25] <SporkWitch> Althego: yeah, it's a nerva solid core engine, mk1 liquid fuel fuselage, two 120 monoprop tanks, two adv reaction wheels, a thermal electric generator, probe core, heat shield, and some aerodynamic RCS. it's fairly heavy fully loaded, but still. i have four drogues attached around the tank, two regular chutes just above the engine and just before the heat shield. dive in prograde so the heat

L107[19:04:43] <SporkWitch> shield keeps everything alive; by the time it's slowed down to chute deployment speeds it's at around 6km AGL. This last attempt i tried deploying only one drogue, and only after ferram went from "high dynamic pressure" to "nominal" again, instantly rips itself to pieces

L108[19:05:15] <darsie> At Kerbin?

L109[19:05:19] <SporkWitch> autostrut all set to heaviest on every part in the stack itself, manual struts between the tank and thermo reactor, and tank and battery

L111[19:05:23] <SporkWitch> yeah, at kerbin

L112[19:05:24] <packbart> oh, with FAR. ok, that's a totally different environment

L113[19:05:57] <darsie> I've used airbrakes. Gotta retract them before they overheat.

L114[19:06:00] <SporkWitch> yeah, i'm 99% sure it's just FAR being FAR, but I feel like this should hold together. The hell is even the point of drogue chutes if they rip the craft apart, instead of ripping themselves apart?

L115[19:06:44] <SporkWitch> heck, that's how a drogue is NORMALLY used: a quick, sharp tug to kill some velocity, but it rips ITSELF of, not the craft apart

L116[19:08:43] <bees> SporkWitch: rotate the shield

L117[19:08:51] <bees> you want a bit of lift

L118[19:08:51] <SporkWitch> ??

L119[19:09:07] <bees> or adjust mass balance somehow

L120[19:09:56] <bees> or add tiny wings, idk

L121[19:10:15] <bees> throwing heavy "rocks" in the atmosphere usually ends up badly

L125[19:13:53] <bees> KSP usually does not have that problem because of small planet and simple aero, but i guess with FAR you start to run into it again

L126[19:14:19] <SporkWitch> i turned off g-force failure in the difficulty settings; maybe it's not even FAR killing it, but the stock g tolerances. at this point i just want to know what EXACTLY is killing it. Worst case, instead of recovering it, i'll dismantle it in orbit for parts

L127[19:14:43] <SporkWitch> It's a heavy tug I'll be using to help assemble my orbital shipyard

L128[19:14:59] <SporkWitch> hence the nuclear engine to rendesvous, and beefy 10 strength RCS thrusters

L129[19:15:09] <darsie> KER has a g-Force display with resettable max. Must be added manually, though.

L130[19:15:25] <darsie> It's in the surface section, IIRC.

L131[19:15:46] <SporkWitch> i will also say it's interesting to have rocket engines that don't throttle instantly heh

L132[19:16:19] <bees> well, step 1) add more drag (simple) or 2) add more lift (harder, but given you a degree of control)

L133[19:16:40] <SporkWitch> it only has a slight impact on burn precision, but i can see needing to consider it for long, distant burns

L134[19:17:10] <SporkWitch> yeah, i'll have to see which research node adds the retractable wings for stage recovery

L135[19:17:24] <SporkWitch> then again, wings are also very likely for FAR to rip off lol

L136[19:18:17] <bees> stock has perfect deployable drag devices in the form of medium landing gear

L137[19:18:25] <bees> idk what FAR does with them

L139[19:20:03] <SporkWitch> i'm really making a go with FAR because planes not handling right was just getting too frustrating, and i'm modding the crap out of this one anyway, so may as well go all the way. MKS, KSPI, FAR, and some of the near future stuff and the MKS dev's submarine parts (still need to do some redesigns, but of the ones i can find that are still available, it seems to behave the best)

L141[19:20:37] <SporkWitch> using USI life support as well, so a fair bit of challenge, without going full sim and having to worry about co2 and o2

L142[19:30:08] <bees> tbh, when you realise that KSP ignores drag for non-lifting parts in "center of lift" display, stock aero leaves zero surprises

L143[19:30:40] <SporkWitch> leaves lots of surprises if you've been flying realistic flight simulators for 30 years lol

L144[19:30:50] <bees> maybe

L145[19:31:06] <SporkWitch> none of the normal ways to recover from spins work in stock, and spins can be caused in ways they can't in the real world

L146[19:33:24] <SporkWitch> so it wasn't the gforce failure, since it just tore itself apart again...

L147[19:46:08] <SporkWitch> last try, this time with airbrakes heh

L148[19:46:58] <darsie> .

L149[19:47:38] <darsie> SporkWitch: I used the KER heat indicators.

L150[19:48:27] <SporkWitch> not a heat issue, and actually, even with the airbrakes, they're not going over 2/3 of their heat limit, so that's nice

L151[19:48:29] <SporkWitch> this might work...

L152[19:49:31] <SporkWitch> the extra drag DID flip it around, but not before the heat shield was no longer needed, and i'm now well below dangerous speeds at 15km

L153[19:49:55] <SporkWitch> and it didn't tear itself apart with the drogues!

L154[19:50:40] <darsie> :)

L155[19:50:55] <SporkWitch> combo of lower speed and thinner air did the trick, i think

L156[19:52:13] <SporkWitch> just enough parachutes, too: 5.9m/s

L157[19:53:27] <SporkWitch> this was also an absolute worst case scenario: full monopropellant and only fuel used was to deorbit, so it's much heavier than it should be in actual practice

L158[19:55:01] <SporkWitch> >_< the engine fell off as soon as it hit the water lol

L159[19:55:22] <Althego> hehe

L160[19:55:26] <Althego> still recoverable

L161[19:55:54] <SporkWitch> nope, the parts that came off sank like rocks, exploded on the seafloor

L162[19:56:00] <Althego> eh

L163[19:56:09] <Althego> another reason not to land on water

L164[19:56:29] <SporkWitch> trajectories didn't predict the path well heh

L165[19:57:22] <SporkWitch> predicted landing was on the KSC; actual landing ended up being just before the desert paninsula on the continent west of the one the KSC is on

L166[19:59:53] <Althego> quite far

L167[19:59:55] <SporkWitch> definitely really dig how the KSPI nuclear engines provide constant heat for power generation, though

L168[20:00:23] <SporkWitch> i can ditch the battery on this thing, since the reactor in the engine provides more than enough power by itself, even when the engine's not firing

L171[20:21:20] <SporkWitch> this is going to be an interesting lifter lol. Because of the difference in radius and weight, and wanting to make it easier to attach the next piece and then recycle the transfer stage, that stage is sitting upside down on top of the station section lol

L174[22:40:53] <SporkWitch> lol, the command pod i used is ultra-buoyant, so it keeps bouncing on the water and i can't recover it lol

L175[22:41:19] <SporkWitch> took like 2 1/2 minutes to stop bouncing enough to recover lol

L176[23:05:21] <bees> if you just click-click-click, it recovers

L177[23:05:25] <bees> only first click fails

L178[23:05:39] <bees> or maybe that requires some mod, idk

L179[23:05:52] <SporkWitch> it was bouncing enough to leave the water, so it was literally losing the button lol

L180[23:11:32] <SporkWitch> ... the fairing on the next station module looks like male anatomy... lol