L2[00:06:31] <SporkWitch> ♥ mastodons and s4 tanks; heavy payload? don't worry about it! just throw money at it! lol

L10[01:46:23] <Izaya> deinonychuses and literally any payload

L11[01:46:34] <Izaya> if it doesn't work you just need more of them

L12[01:46:37] <Izaya> it's like violence

L13[01:46:46] <SporkWitch> hehe

L14[01:47:28] <SporkWitch> yeah, now i'm trying to figure out the most efficient way to actually control it in orbit. Plenty of leftover dV for rendesvous, but feels like i'm going to need to use vernors to actually dock it >_<

L15[01:52:18] <Izaya> mastodons as RCS thrusters

L16[01:52:25] <Izaya> brr

L18[01:53:43] <SporkWitch> i thought slapping a bunch of adv reaction wheels on it would work, and it does as long as the batteries hold out, but even then i have no lateral control with a bunch of the 0.1 thrust RCS. There's the unidirectional ones that have 2 power, but I don't feel like that would be enough either :(

L19[01:54:32] <SporkWitch> in fairness, it's literally the fuel storage module, so it's nothing but big tanks; i may rework it and just send them up empty, but i was really hoping to have a stockpile before setting up refining operations, would have made establishing them easier

L27[05:25:02] <SporkWitch> https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1133:_Up_Goer_Five

L28[05:25:34] <SporkWitch> d'oh, wondered why it looked weird, google gave me the explain link, not the real one lol https://xkcd.com/1133/

L34[06:38:42] <Althego> heh, again an illegal guerilla unarchived karaoke

L35[06:39:34] <Althego> haha, ring of fire by owl

L53[12:37:35] <Althego> (local) leet time

L54[12:37:58] <Althego> Mat2ch: any news on the marble machine?

L55[12:53:53] <Mat2ch> He's doing a new version, but no films about it

L56[12:53:58] <Mat2ch> that's the last thing I heard

L57[12:54:00] <Mat2ch> also nfts

L58[13:19:24] <Kalpa> Sometimes I think Althego is a Swede or something

L59[13:21:12] <sandbox> something

L60[13:24:53] <Althego> kikkerikii (minutes ago)

L62[13:56:34] <darsie> .

L69[15:06:00] <flayer> nice, i've made a sort of flying-floating barge-tugger to fetch returning rockets floating in the ocean

L70[15:06:27] <SporkWitch> neat. Stock, or using one of the mods for aquatic stuff?

L71[15:06:30] <flayer> it can fly to the rocket and gently land, attach to it, and then tug it back to shore

L72[15:06:33] <flayer> stock + dlcs

L73[15:07:14] <SporkWitch> will be awesome if we have some stock surface and subsurface stuff in KSP2. How awesome would it be to do proper exploration of laythe's oceans?

L74[15:14:10] <SporkWitch> we still thinking KSP2 this year?

L77[15:15:51] <Althego> it is not even dark yet

L78[15:15:54] <SporkWitch> darkie: i can't figure out how to make rotors / propellers work to save my life lol

L79[15:16:13] <darkie> It's a dark time for me, being banned from libera.

L80[15:16:27] <darkie> figuratively

L81[15:16:40] <darkie> literally figuratively

L82[15:16:55] <SporkWitch> O.o

L83[15:17:02] <SporkWitch> libera is what forked from freenode, right?

L84[15:17:07] <darkie> yes

L85[15:18:13] <SporkWitch> depending on what of the core staff forked, it sounds like a potentially unpleasant place. freenode went to total shit by about 8 years ago or so, if not sooner. They embraced Eternal September and encouraged it. Even allowed tor connections (with exactly the result one would expect)

L86[15:19:03] <darkie> I use the eternal september news server.

L87[15:19:53] <darkie> Tor got restricted to registered users.

L88[15:20:28] <Eddi|zuHause> i quit freenode when every sane channel stopped accepting unregistered users

L89[15:48:33] <SporkWitch> step one in making a channel sane is requiring registration lol

L91[17:07:54] <darkie> Registration is quick and easy. No phone verification needed ... if you already have email.

L92[17:08:29] <darkie> well, once someone tells you the nickserv commands.

L93[17:14:15] <Eddi|zuHause> when do i learn that i'll never learn how to land planes?

L94[17:15:58] <Eddi|zuHause> especially with the first landing gear, which explodes when you look at it wrong

L95[17:16:06] <Althego> hehe

L96[17:16:13] <Althego> it is not as bad as it used to be

L97[17:16:25] <Althego> it was really exploding because of the slightest touch

L98[17:16:38] <SporkWitch> the small gear is basically worthless lol. It's much easier once you get to mk2 parts and medium gear. Still more challenging than real life, though, because KSP has wonky aerodynamics

L99[17:17:28] <SporkWitch> the better question is why don't the large landing gear have turning capability lol

L100[17:18:48] <Althego> the larger ones want to be main landing gear

L101[17:18:54] <Althego> those dont turn either

L102[17:19:50] <SporkWitch> the problem is that there aren't any gear the same LENGTH with turning capability, which you realistically need to taxi

L103[17:20:10] <Althego> yes that is a bit annoying

L104[17:20:41] <SporkWitch> granted KSP's wonky physics means your rudder has WAY too much control authority, so it works out, but still

L105[17:23:19] <Eddi|zuHause> but... how do i get this plane back on the ground now, after i tried 20 times with various approach speeds?

L106[17:24:13] <Althego> the horizontal speed is not that big of an issue

L107[17:24:17] <Althego> the vertical is

L108[17:24:26] <Althego> but advisable to go slow

L109[17:24:38] <Eddi|zuHause> vertical speed is <5m/s

L110[17:24:51] <Althego> then it should be fine

L111[17:25:12] <Eddi|zuHause> but it isn't

L112[17:40:19] <flayer> my barge can travel up to 40m/s on the water, tugging the rocket

L113[17:40:35] <Althego> that is actually fast

L114[17:40:42] <flayer> it will take forever to make it profitable tho

L115[17:41:07] <Althego> spacex barges travel slower

L116[17:43:49] <flayer> i doubt the spacex barges can fly when not towing a rocket

L117[17:43:59] <flayer> nor are they powered by jet engines

L118[17:47:05] <UmbralRaptor> 40 m/s is just under 78 knots

L119[17:47:10] <flayer> i'll have to make sure to land the rockets off the coast of the space center, if i'm going to miss the KSC at al for landings

L127[21:48:54] <Eddi|zuHause> hmm... that was sort of a landing...