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L6[01:38:04] <Solar_Oracle> Part Deux of
Let's Read A Hymn Before Battle is about to go live. Jebediah save
us all.
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L8[01:49:05] <Solar_Oracle> And . . . It's
up!
L10[01:50:32] <Solar_Oracle> As always, the
name has been censored to comply with channel and forum rules. I
hope you're all clever enough to see what I did there.
L11[01:51:30] <Solar_Oracle> Chapter 19's a
bit of a doozy because stuff actually happens this time
around.
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L13[02:55:17] <Solar_Oracle> And nineteen
is now up.
L14[02:55:25] <Solar_Oracle> I'm going to
take a break and cry.
L15[02:55:25] <raptop> yay
L16[02:55:31] <raptop> wait, not yay
L17[02:55:33] <raptop> the other
thing
L18[02:56:09] <Solar_Oracle> OH YEAH!
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L20[02:57:02] <Solar_Oracle> Funny enough,
despite the fact that humanity is developing, "gravity
rifles" for use against the horse-sized Posleen, 9mm
Parabellum seems to do the job just fine in this chapter.
L21[02:57:58] <Solar_Oracle> One might
think that, in the hands of a better author, that this would've
been the perfect time in which to demonstrate the weakness of human
weapons against aliens wielding advanced equipment and genetically
engineered bio-armor or whatever.
L22[03:00:44] <raptop> wait, what? I would
have expected from all this that your average assault rifle round
would be more or less comparable to the various reduced lethality
munitions used by police
L23[03:00:57] <Solar_Oracle> I don't think
the author really thought that hard about any of this.
L24[03:01:09] <raptop> and the scout team
would have been forced into using that 0.50 sniper rifle, various
machine guns, anti-armor weapons, etc
L25[03:01:35] <raptop> that's
dissapointing
L26[03:01:39] <Solar_Oracle> Generally
speaking, too, a .50 rifle and its ammunition is not something
that's easily lugged around.
L27[03:02:15] <Solar_Oracle> If you're
going to be deep behind enemy territory for months on end, I'd
think you'd want lightweight equipment, which means you'd probably
stick with a R700 or something.
L28[03:02:23] <raptop> sure, though that
one character was explicitly mentioned to be carrying it. Chance
for additional drama as the soldiers are concerned about how heavy
actually effective weapons are!
L29[03:03:20] <Solar_Oracle> I'm not sure
I'd realllly want to lug around an M60 on a jungle planet for a
whole year.
L30[03:03:26] <raptop> heh
L31[03:03:47] <Solar_Oracle> "Sarge,
this thing's heavy!" "You already said that last week,
and the week before!" "Yeah, but now it feels
heavier!"
L32[03:04:11] <raptop> heh
L33[03:04:23] *
raptop should probably avoid being repetitive
L34[03:05:15] <Solar_Oracle> And there's
all sorts of nasty things that could happen to weapons made to
operate in on Earth on an alien planet. For all we know, the
difference in atmospheric pressure alone might be enough to make
the already dubious M60 even more unreliable.
L35[03:06:30] <Solar_Oracle> That's also
some more room for science-fiction shenanigans. Imagine a human
team landing on an alien world with their human weapons and, to
their complete horror, discover that there's an indigenous
microorganism that attacks the brass casings of their
ammunition!
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L37[03:07:47] <raptop> That would make
things exciting without having an action scene
L38[03:08:08] <Solar_Oracle> I mean, there
are plenty of movies that do a good job creating suspense with
characters just sneaking around trying to NOT get killed.
L39[03:08:57] <Solar_Oracle> And that was
their one job: Report on alien things, retrieve a couple of aliens
to autopsy and NOT be seen. They're well behind enemy lines, so any
engagement is gonna be terribad.
L40[03:09:22] <Solar_Oracle> Heck, there
are probably more individual Posleen in the given AO than the recon
team had bullets for.
L41[03:10:40] <Solar_Oracle> Alright, let's
see how Remastered Mass Effect plays on here.
L42[03:11:46] <raptop> obvious question:
paragon or renagade?
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L44[03:12:39] <Solar_Oracle> You know, I'm
going to try a mix of both. Supposedly, there are more experience
points to be awarded in first-time playthroughs for the first game,
and the renegade options tend to be pretty funny.
L45[03:13:22] <Solar_Oracle> And, for the
first time ever, I'm going to try an adept instead of my standard
special agent sniper whatever. Back long ago when I played Mass
Effect the first time, I didn't know how such special abilities
worked because there was no tutorial.
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L48[03:13:46] <Solar_Oracle> Then I'll go
for the giant renegade Cmdr. Shepard
L49[03:14:15] <Solar_Oracle> Maybe as an
engineer-class who got upset because nobody wanted to read their
viXra papers.
L50[03:16:00] <raptop> oh no
L51[03:18:39] <Solar_Oracle> I'm beginning
to think this should be an expanded backstory, with a disillusioned
Shepard throwing up their hands when reading their textbook for
Astronomy 101 back in their second year of college and arguing with
the instructor. "All we need is plasma! Eezo isn't real! Wake
up sheeple!"
L52[03:21:08] *
raptop tries to imagine a Shepard endlessly going on about electric
univserse this and plasma cosmology that
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L54[03:22:01] <Solar_Oracle> Luckily,
omnitools are probably idiot-proof.
L55[03:22:53] <Solar_Oracle> "See,
incinerate functions as a principle of Alfven waves induced by
galactic currents!" "No, Shepard, they work because
there's a program installed that you can't even screw
up."
L56[03:23:39] <Solar_Oracle> Although given
that EDI already misunderstands how quantum entanglement works, I
think we can safely say BadScience is alive and well in the
future.
L57[03:23:53] <raptop> ...Asari tech is
powered by orgone radiation!
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L59[03:25:37] <Solar_Oracle> Sounds like it
causes space cancer.
L60[03:30:02] <Solar_Oracle> Alright, time
to rest.
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L63[04:08:59] <raptop> ;outcome add This
takes so long that you finish just before JWST launches.
L64[04:08:59] <LunchBot> raptop: Added
outcome: This takes so long that you finish just before JWST
launches.
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L66[04:13:07] <raptop> ;mission add You
instigate a revolution against the Tsiolkovsky, tyrant of the
rocket equation.
L67[04:13:08] <LunchBot> raptop: Added
mission: You instigate a revolution against the Tsiolkovsky, tyrant
of the rocket equation.
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L83[07:39:45] <NGC3982> kind of scared
about the jwst launch
L84[07:40:06] <NGC3982> if it borks we have
setbacks measured in centuries
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L89[09:00:42] <Eddi|zuHause> just
mentioning, since the 1.12.1 update, my random crashes on game
startup seem to be gone
L90[09:01:42] <Eddi|zuHause> at least, it
worked 3 times in a row...
L91[09:04:07] <darsie> Launch date November
2021
L92[09:04:25] <darsie> Time to build up
that scare :).
L93[09:06:40] <Eddi|zuHause> thing that
annoys me: mouse wheel seems to be inverted (up is down)
L94[09:06:46] <Eddi|zuHause> where would i
find that setting?
L95[09:12:05] <darsie> <packbart>
darsie: search for AXIS_MOUSEWHEEL in settings.cfg and set
"inv = True" in the PRIMARY part
L96[09:12:41] <darsie> Eddi|zuHause:
L97[09:14:28] <darsie> Doesn't affect
lists.
L98[09:14:57] <Eddi|zuHause> how
annoying
L99[09:15:01] <Eddi|zuHause> who invented
that?
L100[09:16:25] <packbart> Unity. it was a
problem in 1.8, too, I think
L102[09:27:43] <Mat2ch> I really wonder
what people work at Unity... I mean breaking something one time,
ok, happens. But after that...
L103[09:29:03] <packbart> KSP still uses
the same version of Unity. it rather looks like they lost their
workaround code in 1.12
L104[09:30:42] <Eddi|zuHause> also, i
ragequit yesterday, because i made the mistake of loading an
autosave instead of reverting to launch, but because i only did
short flights, that was like 3 flights earlier
L105[09:30:50] <Eddi|zuHause> which were
all tricky flights
L106[09:31:07] <Eddi|zuHause> so i lost
like 2 hours of playtime
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L108[09:39:15] <Eddi|zuHause> i need to
re-learn to press F5 more often
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L110[09:54:35] <packbart> there are mods
for that, too :)
L111[10:00:43] <JVFoxy> lol.. try playing
early version of KSP on dual monitor system. notice how it'll flip
onto the secondary screen. Turns out, they did a change in settings
after some version which changed how things show up.
L112[10:01:10] <JVFoxy> hadn't noticed the
mouse wheel thing.. yet. I got 1.12.1 but yet to fire it up
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L116[11:14:17] <Eddi|zuHause> so... i
drove up to the flag pole, and then realized my plane has no
reverse to get past it :p
L117[11:18:41] <JVFoxy> easy fix
L118[11:18:58] <JVFoxy> gyro on, reverse
steering. wiggle things left/right, it rolls backwards
L119[11:19:15] <JVFoxy> then steering
normal, gyro off (if you normally have it off)
L120[11:19:45] <JVFoxy> do it all the time
with early career science cars that uses the first tier landing
struts/wheels
L121[11:20:07] <Eddi|zuHause> nah, i just
recovered what i had collected, and started new from the
runway
L122[11:21:23] <Eddi|zuHause> i had a
contract to collect EVA report from 3 places on the ground, took 2,
and completed the contract. apparently the areas overlapped
L123[11:21:46] <JVFoxy> oh heh
L124[11:22:05] <JVFoxy> hate the, oh
here's a surface contract half way around the world, btw.. its in
mountains so good luck. :\
L125[11:22:54] <Eddi|zuHause> no, i had 3
contracts, all near the KSC
L126[11:23:20] <Eddi|zuHause> while
here... is there anything special i can do at the obelisk?
L127[11:23:24] <JVFoxy> I know.. was just
saying, I had a few that were kind of 'derped'
L128[11:23:43] <JVFoxy> you used to get a
world first for finding it..
L129[11:23:53] <JVFoxy> or flying over or
jsut getting enar.
L130[11:24:03] <JVFoxy> .... just getting
near. now my typing is derping out
L131[11:25:09] <Eddi|zuHause> hm... no...
i'm parked like literally next to it
L132[11:25:49] <JVFoxy> you used to get
it.. not any more I think. I not sure what the deal is with them
now
L133[11:27:36] <Eddi|zuHause> i once had a
contract pack that slowly guided you to some of the easter eggs.
but it broke, and i haven't tried again
L134[11:27:47] <JVFoxy> ah...
L135[11:31:48] <JVFoxy> I got one that
sent me to a waypoint. I thought that was all I needed to do. Turns
out it opened up another for me to do. 4 in totalbut I no idea
where they were till I went to the one in the 'list'.
L136[11:32:23] <JVFoxy> fortunately, they
weren't too far and just around the KSC
L137[11:34:50] <JVFoxy> anyways.. sneaking
off for now
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L139[12:09:55] <Eddi|zuHause> i miss
"[x] Science", game doesn't start anymore if i install
it. but it was so useful to get an overview where i haven't
collected science yet
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L148[13:47:03] *
darsie puts a sat in keostationary orbit. That's tricky, I have to
figure out how to be at Ap with the right location under
me.
L149[13:47:22] <Althego> phasing
orbit
L150[13:47:48] <Althego> you dont need to
be exactly above the location
L151[13:48:47] <darsie> yeah, do some
math.
L152[13:49:03] <darsie> Or are there tools
in ksp?
L153[13:49:24] <Althego> not really
anything that is concerning a surface location is really
lackin
L154[13:49:25] <Althego> g
L155[14:11:06] <Eddi|zuHause> i'd just go
to LKO, set a maneuver for a transfer orbit, and save/reload until
the position is right
L156[14:13:18] <Eddi|zuHause> you can set
a waypoint on the location and sorta guess how far the planet will
rotate during your maneuver
L157[14:13:50] <Eddi|zuHause> there's a
waypoint manger mod, which you probably already know
L158[14:16:57] <Althego> you can actually
see when the apoapsis is going to happen
L159[14:17:13] <Althego> and you also know
the rotation period of kerbin
L160[14:17:22] <darsie> I know how to do
it.
L161[14:17:31] <Althego> so from that you
can calculate the degree difference
L162[14:17:41] <darsie> It's still
tricky.
L163[14:18:10] <Eddi|zuHause> yes. the
math exists. but it's all manual work
L164[14:18:11] <darsie> I wrote a program
to convert between s and h:m:s or so. Have to decipher it.
L165[14:19:49] <Eddi|zuHause> 1
kerbin-hour is 60°
L166[14:20:13] <Eddi|zuHause> (earth would
be 15°)
L167[14:21:45] <Eddi|zuHause> alternative
approach you cheat a second vessel into the correct orbit, and plot
a rendevouz
L168[14:21:55] <Eddi|zuHause> then delete
the cheated vessel
L169[14:22:14] <darsie> I see, you like
the problem, too :).
L170[14:22:33] <Eddi|zuHause> i kinda had
that problem before
L171[14:22:45] <Eddi|zuHause> and was also
annoyed about the lack of tools
L172[14:23:45] <Eddi|zuHause> also, my
sleep pattern is screwed up and i jumbled some letters
L173[14:29:47] <Eddi|zuHause> different
topic: "take measurement in flight below
<altitude>" halfway around the planet. there's no way i
can steer an ICBM this precisely, and flying a plane takes like an
hour...
L174[14:30:01] <Althego> hehe yes
annoying
L175[14:30:15] <Althego> i only do these
when i have good engines
L176[14:30:30] <Eddi|zuHause> only have
the starter engine
L177[14:30:40] <Althego> and somehow the
game generates these locations that they are far away from the
other launch sites too
L178[14:30:59] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't have
the expansions
L179[14:31:25] <Althego> panther or
whiplash
L180[14:31:54] <Eddi|zuHause> juno, i
think is the name...
L181[14:32:02] <Althego> yes that is
slow
L182[14:32:06] <Althego> guh
L183[14:32:15] <Althego> so wait untik
panther
L184[14:32:36] <Eddi|zuHause> most times i
flew planes with the wheezing engine
L185[14:34:01] <Eddi|zuHause> also, where
did the button for configuring action groups go? i pressed it once
by accident, but can't find it again
L186[14:34:09] <Althego> hehe
L187[14:34:28] <Althego> in the editor or
outside?
L188[14:34:39] <Eddi|zuHause> yes
L189[14:34:44] <Althego> you dont have the
action groups button in early career
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L192[14:35:16] <Althego> should be top
left in editor just outside of the active area. top right when
flying
L193[14:36:01] <Eddi|zuHause> which
upgrade was it that unlocked it?
L194[14:36:19] <Althego> i think the
corresponding building. vab or sph
L195[14:36:27] <Eddi|zuHause> i got most
things except research on level 2
L196[14:36:27] <Althego> but they are
separate
L197[14:38:11] <Eddi|zuHause> right... but
first, need some food...
L198[14:38:35] <Eddi|zuHause> also, i
think one of my mods is broken. i got research topics that are
completely empty
L199[14:51:29] <darsie> Eddi|zuHause: For
visiting easter eggs I built a little glider from small nose cone,
small RW, 200 EC battery, okto2, OscarB, ant. You could aim for the
area and then glide to your target. You'd also need an antenna to
transmit the science.
L200[14:52:28] <Althego> oh no. calli
makes her phantasy star online 2 character more cursed with every
step
L201[14:58:39] <darsie> Eddi|zuHause: Ohh,
I forgot the two aluminium fins as wings.
L202[14:59:26] <darsie> Or did I use the
Spark?
L203[15:08:57] <Eddi|zuHause> i think i
have none of those parts yet
L204[15:14:45] <Eddi|zuHause> aaanyway.. i
found the action group button. i have it in VAB, but not in
SPH
L205[15:14:57] <Althego> as i said they
are separate
L206[15:15:09] <Althego> but pointless,
because you can just build the craft in the vab
L207[15:15:14] <Althego> add the action
groups
L208[15:15:18] <Althego> then launch it
from the sph
L209[15:15:24] <Althego> this is what i
usually do
L210[15:15:32] <Althego> quite pointless
to upgrade the sph
L211[15:17:16] <Eddi|zuHause> it used to
be trickier to switch between them
L212[15:17:22] <raptop> It's a bunch of
silliness from how KSP was developed
L213[15:17:37] <Althego> yes but even then
it would work
L214[15:17:43] <Althego> the groups are in
the craft
L215[15:17:56] <Althego> so even in the
olf one you could just launch from the other building
L216[15:18:00] <Althego> they would work,
just cant edit
L217[15:18:00] <Eddi|zuHause> part limit
is the main reason to upgrade
L218[15:18:05] <Althego> not really
L219[15:18:09] <Althego> you can just roll
off the launchpad
L220[15:18:15] <Althego> and take off from
the grass
L221[15:18:43] <Althego> so essentially in
career you dont need to waste money onthe sph and the landing strip
if you dont want to
L222[15:20:28] <Eddi|zuHause> but i want
to.
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L224[15:53:56] <Eddi|zuHause> so.. how do
i see how long my fuel lasts in hours?
L225[15:54:10] <Althego> hours?
L226[15:54:14] <Althego> why would it last
for hours?
L227[15:54:30] <Althego> for jets it is
varying anyway
L228[15:55:53] <Eddi|zuHause> i have a
waypoint marker, and it says 1h to destination...
L229[15:56:22] <Eddi|zuHause> and i found
a thing here where it says "burn 6840s"
L230[15:56:52] <Eddi|zuHause> which i'm
pretty sure is more than 1h :p
L231[15:58:25] <Eddi|zuHause> this
contract tells me to get the juno to 13000m altitude... not sure i
can do that with this plane
L232[15:58:43] <raptop> consider:
strapping a juno to an RT-10
L233[15:59:12] <Eddi|zuHause> altitude
13000-15000, speed 180-240 is a pretty narrow window
L234[16:01:23] <Althego> there are
actually small solid boosters now
L235[16:03:23] <Eddi|zuHause> aanyway...
it can't get above 9000 by itself it seems
L236[16:04:05] <Althego> you can do that
with the second engine
L237[16:04:14] <Althego> that is
reasonable enough
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L239[16:10:20] <bees> Eddi|zuHause: add
more junos and less plane
L240[16:12:36] <bees> you would be
surprised with what it could do
L241[16:12:50] <Eddi|zuHause> next time,
when i'm done flying halfway around the planet
L242[16:13:44] <bees> something silly like
9 junos in 2 above wings/2 below wings/1 back with a smallest fuel
tank/wings possible
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L249[16:46:02] <Eddi|zuHause> 10 minutes
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L254[17:03:05] <Eddi|zuHause> anyway,
since i learned about trim, flying long distances requires way less
monitoring and manual intervention :p
L255[17:09:19] <Eddi|zuHause> next
qestion, do i try to land here or fly back to KSC?
L256[17:09:31] <Althego> do you have
enough fuel?
L257[17:09:39] <Althego> do you want to
waste the time?
L258[17:09:53] <Althego> for a cheap
mission like this it is better to land, recover and do something
else
L259[17:10:18] <Althego> note that now you
can select the ksc as target for navigation, and it appears on your
navball
L260[17:10:43] <Althego> no ils
though
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L262[17:17:02] <Eddi|zuHause> problem is
it's dark and i have no lights to point at the ground
L263[17:17:38] <Eddi|zuHause> also, i have
a very slow roll which i can't correct through trim
L264[17:22:09] <Eddi|zuHause> what's a
safe vertical speed for landing anyway? 12?
L265[17:23:13] <Althego> it is never
completely dark on kerbin, you can land if you want to
L266[17:23:44] <Althego> also you can
adjust how bright the darkness is, so you can change it to easy
conditions with that
L267[17:25:56] <Eddi|zuHause> doesn't help
that at this time, the sun is at the worst position for my screen
contrast :p
L268[17:26:09] <Althego> hehe
L269[17:26:30] <Althego> use the marvelous
invention called curtain
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L271[17:28:36] <Eddi|zuHause> that wasn't
a landing...
L272[17:29:05] <Eddi|zuHause> i'm afraid
it's uphill here
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L279[17:42:22] <Eddi|zuHause> nope... not
working
L280[17:42:42] <Eddi|zuHause> there's
something about landing a plane that i'm missing...
L281[17:43:12] <Althego>
landinggears?
L282[17:50:03] <Eddi|zuHause> i have the
earliest ones
L283[17:50:19] <Eddi|zuHause> one under
the cockpit, and two under the wings
L284[17:53:01] <Althego> those used to be
hilariously bad
L285[17:53:27] <Althego> but they have
been ok lately
L286[17:53:39] <Eddi|zuHause> i blame it
on the non-flat ground
L287[17:54:34] <Eddi|zuHause> i'll try
flying back, with a fuel efficient and somewhat reasonable
speed
L288[18:18:23] <Eddi|zuHause> i don't
think i'll be able to do a landing... so i'll stick with a
"landing"...
L289[18:51:03] <bees> slap a chute or two
to the fuselage
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L292[20:12:15] *
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L293[20:12:51] *
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and sighs
L294[20:27:23] <Eddi|zuHause> bees:
well... slapping on chutes retroactively is... tricky :p
L295[20:28:36] <Eddi|zuHause> if history
is any telling, i'm constantly going back and forth between
"ah i slap chutes on" and "i want to try this
properly"
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L297[20:41:11] <raptop> Also we're
supposed to avoid randomly switching topics despite this being
IRC
L298[20:41:36] <raptop> the rest of the
rules seem fine
L299[20:55:38] <bees> raptop: Every time
you use sci-hub - you download COMMUNISM
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L301[21:10:03] <raptop> [laser eyes karl
marx]
L302[21:16:46] <FLHerne> raptop: This is
IRC, there are no threads
L303[21:17:24] <FLHerne> so changing the
subject of conversation in a thread is impossible
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