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L45[02:36:51] <Solar_Oracle> I'm
back.
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L47[02:45:29] <Althego> heh,
"certificate has expired" error
L48[02:46:02] <umaxtu> haven't you heard of
certbot?
L49[02:46:04] <Solar_Oracle> That'd be a
sweet one liner for a cheesy action movie.
L50[02:46:15] <Solar_Oracle> "Your
security certificate has expired!" BLAM!
L51[02:46:34] <Althego> diplomatic
umminity!
L52[02:46:56] <umaxtu> might even be worthy
of a demolition man 2 if they ever made such a thing (not that they
should)
L53[02:47:48] <Solar_Oracle> Demolition Man
is already perfect as it is.
L54[02:48:10] <Althego> anyway the
operators of the server need to fix it, not m
L55[02:48:12] <Althego> e
L57[02:54:15] <raptop> certificates revoked
by commisars?
L58[02:55:22] <umaxtu> have they heard of
certbot?
L59[02:56:50] <raptop> Thinking machines?
HERESY!
L60[03:06:49] <Solar_Oracle> "On
charges of creating abominable intelligence, you are sentenced to
DEATH!"
L61[03:11:36] <Solar_Oracle> Or would you
be turned into a servitor instead?
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L63[03:13:15] *
raptop >_>
L64[03:14:38] <Althego> luckily no thinking
machines have been made by humans yet
L65[03:14:59] <Althego> and you can
question the existence of human intelligence too
L66[03:22:55] <Solar_Oracle> We should keep
it that way. I've played enough RTSes to know I would never trust
Skynet with anything that requires decent pathfinding.
L67[03:23:19] <Althego> hehe
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L71[03:50:13] <Althego> hah, 3d smol ame is
in action again
L72[03:54:43] <Solar_Oracle> FINALLY, after
getting 19 chapters into this so-called, "military
science-fiction action novel", we get a combat scene.
L73[03:55:23] <Althego> lol
L74[03:58:10] <Solar_Oracle> I'll upload
the completed chapters as part of a new thread tomorrow.
L75[03:58:23] <Solar_Oracle> I'm too
drained right now.
L76[03:58:28] <Solar_Oracle> I feel . . .
Empty.
L77[04:00:04] <raptop> putting your soul
into the let's read?
L78[04:14:52] <Solar_Oracle> I already
exchanged that for a couple of Steam pre-orders.
L80[04:15:43] <Solar_Oracle> Mmmm, space
station city builder.
L81[04:16:43] <raptop> interesting
L82[04:17:46] <Solar_Oracle> Technically
it's a starship, but close enough.
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L84[04:20:41] <Althego> even better
L85[04:32:17] <umaxtu> do you know where
Solar posts his torture diary?
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L109[07:54:22] <packbart> umaxtu: in the
reddit PoS book club
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L114[10:21:54] <Althego> about raptor
engines
L115[10:31:31] *
Mat2ch got his first shot
L116[10:31:40] <Mat2ch> and now I wait for
things to happen
L117[10:31:54] <Althego> waiting
forwhat
L118[10:32:38] <Mat2ch> immune system to
react to it
L119[10:34:09] <Althego> ah, vaccine. i
thought you were drinking
L120[10:34:45] <Althego> still waiting for
the second, about 3 weeks to go out of the 3 months of
astrazeneca
L121[10:36:26] <Mat2ch> I got Biontech, so
6 weeks it is
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L125[11:37:11] <Althego> (local) leet
time
L127[11:46:52] <Mat2ch> that's the
dimensions and weight of the part to get
L128[11:46:59] <Mat2ch> so you can
calculate how much fuel to bring
L129[11:47:11] <Althego> quite long
L130[11:47:18] <Althego> probably empty
booster?
L131[11:47:23] <Althego> or tank
L132[12:09:48] <flayer> darsie, fly over
and find out!
L133[12:10:08] <Althego> if you go closer,
it starts rolling on slopes
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L135[12:25:06] <darsie> Nothing
fits.
L136[12:25:17] <darsie> Hmm, I have ppl on
Minmus.
L137[12:25:50] <darsie> Usually I can ID
the part from it's data.
L138[12:26:32] <darsie> Clydesdale is 3.5
m diamete.
L140[12:45:48] <Althego> lol
L141[12:46:11] <Althego> at least this is
not rolling
L142[12:46:39] <Althego> still better than
a decoupler which is empty in the middle
L143[12:47:16] <darsie> The VAB engineer
says it's 12.6 m high, even without fairing.
L144[12:47:49] <flayer> ah, they cheated
lol
L145[12:48:56] <darsie> even with short
fairing, still 12.6 m high.
L146[12:49:25] <darsie> And it's one of
these fairings you can't initially bend inwards or it collides with
itself.
L147[12:54:19] <darsie> Are there
ropes/winches? Where?
L148[13:00:24] <Althego> zombanwa
L149[13:01:34] <Althego> are there?
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L152[13:37:30] <Althego> oh no i missed
the guh
L153[13:37:44] <Althego> i guess i have to
watch that back later because soon kikkerikii
L154[13:42:16] <theholyduck> i really am
pretty exited for ksp2. too bad im going to have to wait like a
year for it
L155[13:42:32] <theholyduck> but they seem
to want to add a lot of the things i used to use mods for in
ksp
L156[13:42:36] <theholyduck> like
extraplanetary launchpads
L157[13:42:47] <Althego> yes, it is
exciting
L158[13:42:53] <theholyduck> and
procedural parts
L159[13:42:54] <theholyduck> etc
L160[13:42:56] <Althego> better looks,
other star systems
L161[13:43:08] <Althego> i hope it will
have everything ksp has
L162[13:43:19] <Althego> not a cut down
ksp plus colonies
L163[13:43:30] <theholyduck> Althego: i
mean. i imagine they would just keep more or less the entire part
library they allready have at this point
L164[13:43:37] <theholyduck> and just add
to it
L165[13:43:48] <theholyduck> they allready
revamped all the parts once for ksp (more or less)
L166[13:43:48] <Althego> that measn not
only parts
L167[13:43:50] <Althego> all
gameplay
L168[13:44:03] <theholyduck> i mean i see
no reason why they wouldnt keep everything else either
L169[13:44:20] <Althego> because they
rewrite it ocmpletely
L170[13:44:26] <Althego> now the second
time
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L172[13:53:47] <packbart> the only thing I
am sure about KSP2: Some will be disappointed because it isn't
exactly what they dreamed of
L173[13:53:55] <packbart> being a game
developer is an ungrateful job :)
L174[13:54:05] <Althego> hehe
L175[13:54:13] <Althego> the bigger the
hype, the bigger the disappointment
L176[14:06:58] <Althego> kikkerikii
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L180[14:34:33] <NGC3982> haha, what
L181[14:34:52] <NGC3982> i created this
jool rocket with five rockets for each moon
L182[14:35:31] <NGC3982> succeeded with
everyone besides thylo (not enough twr as usual) and vale (used the
fifth vehicle with better twr for thylo attempt #2 but failed that
one too)
L183[14:35:37] <Althego> lol the ship is
so tiny
L184[14:35:44] <NGC3982> i have no idea
how to solve a thylo landing ;_;
L185[14:35:49] <Althego> but the fairing
can work as a heat shield too
L186[14:36:04] <Althego> tylo landing ,
hight thrust high delta v
L187[14:36:06] <NGC3982> darsie: are the
shutes 50% of the vehicle weight?
L188[14:36:13] <Althego> i usually do
satages even going down
L189[14:36:26] <darsie> 200 kg ..., almost
:)
L190[14:36:27] <Althego> the only body
that requires staging for landing
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L192[14:36:51] <NGC3982> this wasnt even
meant to be a return trip :(
L193[14:36:58] <darsie> i tried using the
fairing as heat shield, but it flipped over.
L194[14:37:12] <darsie> Nothing
exploded.
L195[14:37:24] <darsie> I regrabbed it in
orbit.
L196[14:37:26] <Althego> then used it as
an airbrake
L197[14:37:38] <Althego> either way it is
useful
L198[14:37:38] <darsie> Yeah, it was a
great air brake.
L199[14:38:08] <darsie> I wondered if the
small RW was enough to turn it over, and it was.
L200[14:38:21] <darsie> On Minmus.
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L205[15:52:21] <transit> Rip ksp 1!
L206[15:52:33] <Althego> why rip
L207[15:52:38] <Althego> it is going to
exist
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L209[15:52:54] <Althego> we may say it
helped a new era os spaceflight
L210[15:52:57] <Althego> of
L211[15:53:03] <transit> End of
development tho
L212[15:53:12] <transit> 😔
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L214[15:53:54] <Althego> at least modders
can catch up
L215[15:54:01] <Althego> mods can keep it
alive forever
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L224[17:20:06] <flayer> i definitely need
KSP2 to not be such a CPU hog
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L226[17:23:21] <JVFoxy> ugh.. and now with
the whole win11 kerfuffle going on...
L227[17:23:41] <JVFoxy> hopefully things
will have settled down by the time KSP2 comes out
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L229[17:26:25] <Althego> which one do you
mean with win11?
L230[17:30:50] <flayer> it exists
L231[17:30:50] <JVFoxy> ugh.. all of it? I
mean... it wants you to have an active TMP, one of the listed CPUs
they approved.. for starts..
L232[17:31:21] <Althego> tmp?
L233[17:31:26] <Althego> wasnt it
tpm?
L234[17:31:30] <Althego> 2.0
L235[17:31:32] <Althego> whatever that
is
L236[17:31:58] <Althego> they basically
discard hardware compatibility with this with no reason
L237[17:32:28] <JVFoxy> ah ya TPM.. ugh. I
only learned of them a few days ago myself. My board has a plug but
nothing on it.
L238[17:32:37] <Althego> also the ugly mac
look
L239[17:32:41] <JVFoxy> even then, my
CPU's family isn't even on the Win11 radar so..
L240[17:32:52] <Althego> home versions
will operate only with onlin ems account
L241[17:32:58] <flayer> i haven't used
windows in my private life since 2007 or so
L242[17:33:05] <flayer> i never will again
most likely
L243[17:33:10] <flayer> its a relief
L244[17:33:15] <Althego> there was some
news in some countries it is going to work without the tpm
L245[17:33:16] <JVFoxy> a few of my
friend's saying they'll switch to linux
L246[17:33:20] <Althego> so it is
absolutely not a requirement
L247[17:33:28] <Althego> just another tech
nonsense they want to push on the users
L248[17:33:45] <JVFoxy> roommate was
pretty sure Win10 was going to be the final version...
L249[17:33:51] <Althego> and i presume
none of these tpm things actually helps with any security but can
be used as attack vectors
L250[17:33:57] <Althego> yes ms said
so
L251[17:34:05] <Althego> guess they needed
more money
L252[17:34:24] <Althego> actually upgrade
would be free, but you cant since tpm 2.0
L253[17:34:30] <JVFoxy> well.. TPM thing
was something they were looking into with Win10 but didn't push its
requirement. It was added to newer boards but wasn't enabled. Users
had to go into Bios and set it...
L254[17:34:46] <Althego> supposedly you
can add it as an add on somehow
L255[17:34:53] <Althego> cant imagine
how
L256[17:35:21] <Althego> oh no there is a
broken silicon too, 2 hours
L257[17:35:22] <JVFoxy> sad thing is,
those modules, soon as hardware requirements were announced,
everywhere sold out over night. something that went for 15-30
bucks, started showing up on ebay for 80, someone even had listings
for 500
L258[17:35:33] <Althego> yes i know
L259[17:35:43] <Althego> but video card
prices are going down
L260[17:36:21] <JVFoxy> I went looking for
it for my system, but gave up because the new Win won't even
support the CPU family. so.. in a few years, hope I can scrounge
enough for a compat system
L261[17:37:00] <JVFoxy> friend and I were
pricing out a new system, nearly $800, that wasn't even including
GPU.. since we coudln't find anything at the time
L262[17:37:02] <Althego> at this point
this machine has to go anyway. 6 years and still needs to hang on
for one more
L263[17:38:06] <JVFoxy> just glad KSP runs
good on mine. CPU from 2014 is newest it can support. Some Octo
black FX thing
L264[17:38:29] <theholyduck> windows 10 is
going to be supported until late 2025.
L265[17:38:40] <JVFoxy> right now its just
the quad 4130
L266[17:38:47] <theholyduck> soo. if your
pc doesnt have the TPM stuff. you can still use it for 4 more
years
L267[17:38:56] <JVFoxy> I know..
L268[17:38:56] <theholyduck> and still get
security updates
L269[17:39:09] <JVFoxy> provided they
don't decide to just dump support suddenly. -shrug
L270[17:39:16] <theholyduck> at that
point. the computer is going to be like 7-8-9 years old and its not
that unreasonable.
L271[17:39:36] <theholyduck> JVFoxy: i
doubt they will. microsoft has made a good name for themselfs in
keeping support going forever
L272[17:39:43] <JVFoxy> Lol.. it'll
probably end up sitting with my previous systems that I use for
retro gaming
L273[17:39:52] <Althego> not unreasonable,
but all this win11 is a "bad pr" move from ms
L274[17:39:55] <Althego> everybody hates
it
L275[17:40:08] <theholyduck> windows 7 got
5 years of support after the launch of windows 10 for
instance
L276[17:40:19] <JVFoxy> this whole windows
thing just kind of came out of no where... already its causing
havoc
L277[17:40:32] <theholyduck> JVFoxy: i
mean microsoft has been requiring manufacturers include TPM
support
L278[17:40:34] <theholyduck> for many
years now
L279[17:40:42] <theholyduck> presumably so
they could eventually do this
L280[17:41:12] <theholyduck> Althego: i
mean. it makes sense to me. microsoft has a security issue compared
to the much more tightly integrated macos and chromeos
L281[17:41:13] <JVFoxy> I had no idea it
was a thing up till a few weeks ago..
L282[17:41:26] <JVFoxy> though friend who
runs servers knew about it for years and been using it since.
L283[17:41:37] <theholyduck> both those
allready use some TPM like stuff in their boot and security
L284[17:41:46] <Althego> yes i havent
heard of it ever
L285[17:42:00] <Althego> i guess it was
mostly server thing
L286[17:42:09] <theholyduck> it was mostly
just a OEM thing aswell
L287[17:42:20] <theholyduck> i think they
required all OEM computer sold to have it enabled
L288[17:42:31] <theholyduck> to qualify
for a microsoft oem liscence
L289[17:42:54] <JVFoxy> my system board
around early 2014, it has a plug on it for a TPM thing it turns
out
L290[17:43:09] <Althego> amazing
L291[17:43:10] <theholyduck> mostly the
people who are going to suffer are people who build their own
computers and whos manufacturers didnt include TPM stuff just on
the mobo
L292[17:43:22] <theholyduck> as a cost
cutting measure
L293[17:43:38] <JVFoxy> I'm more wondering
about this list of accepted CPUs they have out
L294[17:43:45] <Althego> this i a hg end
motheoardit may have it. bt i just on care
L295[17:43:56] <theholyduck> JVFoxy: i
think part of it is to mitigate some of the CPU level attacks
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L297[17:44:40] <JVFoxy> when I finally got
win10 going on this system board, I switched the bios from that old
school version to the more secured one.
L298[17:45:29] <theholyduck> anyways i
dont think its too unreasonable. i got my first compute just for me
in like 98 or 99
L299[17:45:46] <theholyduck> the fact that
a computer made 5 years ago is even remotely usable today is
honestly sort of a miracle
L300[17:45:49] <theholyduck> compared to
how things used to be
L301[17:46:11] <theholyduck> i built a top
end gaming computer in 2004 and by like 2005 it was out of date adn
by 2006 it was obsolete
L302[17:46:30] <JVFoxy> lol... 5 years, be
glad they not being treated like cellphones. Getting pressured to
update 4 times a year
L303[17:46:52] <theholyduck> i mean i
think the cellphone game has somewhat calmed down
L304[17:46:56] <Althego> actually less is
changing in 5 years now than in the 90s
L305[17:47:08] <theholyduck> Althego: oh
definitly. less is changing.
L306[17:47:27] <theholyduck> but also we
are getting cpu power especially that you cant relaly use
L307[17:47:34] <Althego> i mean it is
still x86
L308[17:47:35] <JVFoxy> depends on what
sorta gaming you do. I hear the retro market is seeing quite a bit
of activity. And I'm not talking about remakes on steam
L309[17:47:37] <Althego> back in the
90s
L310[17:47:41] <Althego> it was different
architectures
L311[17:48:07] <theholyduck> like i have a
ryzen 3600 and theres very few things i do on my computer that
remotely maxes it out
L312[17:48:10] <flayer> i definitely have
no desire whatsoever for a 'better' video card
L313[17:48:21] <flayer> the one i bought
5+ years ago is fine
L314[17:48:29] <theholyduck> even like
videogames and CAD rarely get even close to full utilization
L315[17:48:41] <JVFoxy> I wouldn't mind a
slightly better card than my 7790.. spread a bit of the load for
when I record.
L316[17:48:47] <theholyduck> in part. cpus
arent getting that much better year over year
L317[17:48:50] <flayer> i got the earliest
generations i5
L318[17:48:57] <theholyduck> but in part.
programmers arent comming up with consumer things that require that
much cpu power
L319[17:48:59] <theholyduck> year over
year either
L320[17:49:19] <Althego> yes they manage
to make everything slwoer and more bloated every time
L321[17:49:19] <flayer> mostly just shoddy
interfeces and ads that take up CPU
L322[17:49:36] <theholyduck> i mean even
then. it rarely actually matters
L323[17:49:37] <theholyduck> :P
L324[17:49:41] <theholyduck> i went from a
intel i7-3770k
L325[17:49:43] <flayer> or bugs like scene
changes in ksp1
L326[17:49:46] <theholyduck> to a ryzen
3600 and i barely noticed
L327[17:50:05] <theholyduck> thats a 7
year gap between those 2 cpus
L328[17:50:13] <JVFoxy> cough-or all the
network security features they keep cramming into
things-cough
L329[17:50:23] <Althego> because that was
the 7 years when amd caught up with intel
L330[17:50:34] <Althego> so now there is
actually some change again
L331[17:50:36] <theholyduck> Althego: i
mean my ryzen is signficantly more powerful than the i7
L332[17:50:41] <theholyduck> was
L333[17:51:01] <Althego> btw intel bought
3nm capacity from tsmc
L334[17:51:09] <theholyduck> i saw
:P
L335[17:51:22] <theholyduck> Althego: but
like almost nothing i do on my computer can use the 6 core/12
thread setup
L336[17:51:27] <theholyduck> fully
L337[17:51:40] <theholyduck> if i was a
streamer or did like rendering or something
L338[17:51:43] <theholyduck> that might
not be the case
L339[17:51:51] <theholyduck> but basicly
no video games. are that well multithreaded
L340[17:52:03] <Althego> yes, many cores?
finally something changed. thanks to amd. but it doesnt help you.
it would help you if you are a programmer, or a video editor, or 3d
artist
L341[17:52:10] <Althego> but otherwise,
not really
L342[17:52:17] <JVFoxy> gaming industry
having a hard time playing catchup with CPU tech I take it?
L343[17:52:19] <theholyduck> Althego: the
single core performance is also up quite a bit
L344[17:52:40] <theholyduck> JVFoxy: more
like. theres not THAT much cpu stuff to do on most games
L345[17:52:45] <Althego> yes. i am excited
about the new integrated cache. that would boost the single thread
performance too
L346[17:52:46] <theholyduck> you are
usually gpu bound anyway
L347[17:53:03] <JVFoxy> seem to recall
some 64core cpu making a bit of a 'blip' into existence a while
back...
L348[17:53:13] <theholyduck> yes amd makes
a few 64 core cpus
L349[17:53:18] <theholyduck>
threadripper/epyc
L350[17:54:19] <Althego> i am sure server
people are thrilled by the next geeneration amd chips too
L351[17:54:29] <Althego> and i want to buy
amd for the next one
L352[17:54:56] <Althego> but still, at
this point the growth is incremental with more and more
architectural tricks
L353[17:55:04] <theholyduck> anyways if
memor yserves in synthethics i saw like a 30% boost in single
thread performance over my 7 year old cpu. and in like a 300% boost
in multi-threaded performance
L354[17:55:44] <JVFoxy> gotta be some
sorta draw back.. how much more heat does it end up dishing
out?
L355[17:56:00] <theholyduck> JVFoxy: a
little bit more. but not like. noticable?
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L357[17:56:05] <theholyduck> JVFoxy: just
architechutal improvements
L358[17:56:08] <theholyduck> and smaller
node
L359[17:56:13] <JVFoxy> ok'
L360[17:56:37] <theholyduck> the ryzen
3600 was tsmc 7nm where as my 7 year old i7 was 22nm intel
L361[17:56:52] <JVFoxy> oh.. different
chip. I was thinking they managed to find a way to better utilize
things, which would be nice too
L362[17:57:10] <theholyduck> JVFoxy: my
point was that the 30% in single threaded performance is hardly
noticable when using the computer :P
L363[17:57:21] <theholyduck> and i never
really get to utilize the 300% or whatever theroetical boost in
multithreading
L364[17:57:46] <theholyduck> it does
impact the fps a bit in some games. if you are looking at the
counter ofcourse. but. its not some extreme upgrade
L365[17:57:47] *
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L366[17:57:54] <JVFoxy> well ya, the 300
is probably just full on raw processing in testing conditions
L367[17:58:17] <JVFoxy> in reality,
there's a lot more going on the system has to manage
L368[17:58:45] <theholyduck> JVFoxy: as i
said i used a cpu synthethic benchmark before the upgrade and
after
L369[17:58:47] <theholyduck> out of
curiosity
L370[17:58:56] <theholyduck> i also
ofcourse put much faster ram in the new machine and other
variables
L371[17:59:02] <JVFoxy> lol.. its like
saying your car can do 60mils to gal, but its doing it on dynamo
and not actually going anywhere :)
L372[18:00:12] <JVFoxy> when I get my new
system in a few years, wondering what I can do with DDR3 ram..
probably not good to just toss in trash.
L373[18:00:47] <JVFoxy> at least i can
reuse the case, power and drives
L374[18:01:12] <Althego> have you noticed,
basically all cases have that stupid window
L375[18:01:15] <Althego> on the side
L376[18:01:24] <Althego> so maybe i have
to reuse the caase
L377[18:01:29] <theholyduck> its the new
trend :;P
L378[18:01:30] <flayer> if i go through
with building a new computer, i'm going to build a wooden case for
it
L379[18:01:31] <Althego> at least then it
would take less space
L380[18:01:42] <Althego> i meant the
remaining parts would take less space
L381[18:01:51] <JVFoxy> mine doesn't have
the windo
L382[18:02:01] <JVFoxy> think its more for
those that wanna add lights
L383[18:02:17] <Althego> is still have a
functional pc with win7. just to run prototype on. because i bought
it and didnt pirate it, the drm doesnt let me run it on windows
10
L384[18:02:27] <flayer> lol
L385[18:02:35] <flayer> serves you right
for paying for stuff
L386[18:02:45] <Althego> show how
disgusting drm is
L387[18:03:05] <JVFoxy> ... I have a
machine that still has Win98SE, another with XP, and another with
7... oh much fun
L388[18:03:27] <JVFoxy> well ok.. the 98SE
drive is in the XP for the time being... but the cases sit pretty
much side by side
L389[18:03:29] <Althego> 95-98 was
horrible
L390[18:03:54] <JVFoxy> heh.. I got 95 on
an old ex-CNC machine terminal with built in touch screen
L391[18:04:04] <JVFoxy> although, touch
screen haven't figured out how to get working agani
L392[18:04:32] <JVFoxy> added a video
board, played original Warcraft on it for kicks
L394[18:04:40] <JVFoxy> er.. sorry added
audio board.. derp
L395[18:05:42] <JVFoxy> althego biscuit
beetle?
L396[18:05:56] <Althego> hmm maybe
L397[18:06:02] <Althego> i dont knwo what
that ys
L398[18:07:03] <JVFoxy> just a rough
guess... seems to be a common search resuilt
L399[18:07:16] <JVFoxy> thankfully no
bedbug
L400[18:09:20] <Althego> the wiki image
has similar shape and size, but that is hairy. these have shiny
surface
L401[18:09:26] <Althego> but still may be
the same
L402[18:10:42] <JVFoxy> hairy? I thought
it was more just texture of the shell
L403[18:11:51] <Althego> store food. maybe
in some rice
L404[18:11:59] <Althego> if they eat dry
rice
L405[18:13:02] <JVFoxy> to be honest
though, pic is kind of grainy
L406[18:14:27] <Althego> yes because it is
tiny
L407[18:14:49] <Althego> i tried to use a
3x magnifying lense
L408[18:14:53] <Althego> -e
L409[18:15:30] <JVFoxy> eh.. I might be
spoiled. Camera has a good macro lens
L410[18:15:41] <Althego> supopsedly it
has
L411[18:15:52] <Althego> i tried to get a
better image it didnt really do anything
L412[18:16:40] <JVFoxy> sometimes they can
be a pain with the automatic zoom I find
L413[18:16:49] <Althego> cigarette beetle
is shiny. it can be a cigarette beetle
L414[18:16:50] <JVFoxy> er.. focus..
derp
L415[18:17:53] <JVFoxy> ya.. looks pretty
close. I can tell the split shell in your pic
L416[18:18:55] <JVFoxy> even wiki says
they look similar to the drugstore//biscuit beetle
L417[18:21:52] <JVFoxy> any case.. gotta
drop off, lates
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