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L2[00:13:07] <darsie> 1033 science
L3[00:20:26] <darsie> packbart: Did you try on Minmus?
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L14[02:10:12] <raptop> ;outcome add Your costs slip up, and your schedule slips to the right.
L15[02:10:12] <LunchBot> raptop: Added outcome: Your costs slip up, and your schedule slips to the right.
L16[02:10:16] <raptop> ;mission
L17[02:10:16] <LunchBot> raptop: KSC staff swear too much on the job. The mission is deemed a complete success!
L18[02:10:36] <raptop> Fixing problems by yelling at them?
L19[02:13:26] <raptop> ;outcome add Your rocket clips into The Backrooms.
L20[02:13:27] <LunchBot> raptop: Added outcome: Your rocket clips into The Backrooms.
L21[02:14:06] <raptop> ;mission add You use SCP-[REDACTED] to improve your craft's performance.
L22[02:14:07] <LunchBot> raptop: Added mission: You use SCP-[REDACTED] to improve your craft's performance.
L23[02:14:25] <raptop> ;outcome add Your rocket is classifed as a new kind of SCP.
L24[02:14:26] <LunchBot> raptop: Added outcome: Your rocket is classifed as a new kind of SCP.
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L33[03:10:41] <pikapika> raptop, hi
L34[03:20:18] <raptop> \o
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L46[06:18:24] <Althego> i didnt know there are new launch sites
L47[06:18:52] <Althego> hah there will bea patch
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L51[06:28:28] <Althego> there are new easter eggs too?
L52[06:32:06] <pikapika> hey Althego
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L54[06:32:14] <pikapika> Do americans consider california a hot or cold state
L55[06:32:52] <Althego> how should i know
L56[06:33:00] <pikapika> Are you american
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L62[06:39:32] <Althego> no
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L74[07:05:45] <raptop> pikapika: depends on the location, but mostly medium to hot
L75[07:06:03] <pikapika> raptop, I knew it
L76[07:06:08] <pikapika> America is a cold country
L77[07:06:38] <Althego> somehow because of global warming usa gets colder
L78[07:06:39] <raptop> Apropos nothing, it turns out that 295 K is actually pretty miserable when the humidity is ~90%
L79[07:07:17] <Althego> replace humid air with water of the same temperature. all better
L80[07:08:04] <raptop> uh
L81[07:16:27] <raptop> Also, note that I'm like 3000 km away from the parts that might see a bunch of record highs
L82[07:23:06] <Althego> heh i still have 10 hours of flat earth videos. 5 hours with double speed
L83[07:26:25] * raptop flips open youtube subscriptions, and sees that a duck and a rabbit are live right now
L84[07:28:06] <pikapika> raptop, do you like death metal
L85[07:28:18] <raptop> pikapika: some, yes
L86[07:28:29] <pikapika> raptop, how about war metal?
L87[07:28:47] * raptop isn't sure what that genre is. Like Sabaton?
L88[07:28:54] <pikapika> Like Blasphemy
L89[07:31:09] <pikapika> raptop, what dm do you like
L90[07:34:16] * flayer tickles pikapika
L91[07:34:33] * pikapika jumps on flayer
L92[07:34:34] <pikapika> Hi
L93[07:34:35] <Mod9000> Hello, pikapika
L94[07:34:55] * raptop has unfortunately drifted away from listening to much metal, so needs to refresh >_>;;
L95[07:34:57] <Althego> security to isle 5
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L97[07:51:56] <flayer> hey darsie
L98[07:52:12] <darsie> hi flayer
L99[08:11:20] <ionized_bees> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plumbbob#Missing_steel_bore_cap - death war metal
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L102[09:07:35] <Mat2ch> so, the ufo report is out? Any good things in it? :P
L103[09:08:19] <Revelator> Watershed U.S. UFO report does not rule out extraterrestrial origin
L104[09:11:50] <Mat2ch> but what about new cases?
L105[09:11:57] <Mat2ch> I only know of two or three
L106[09:11:59] <Mat2ch> I need moar :D
L107[09:12:01] <flayer> Most UFOs remain unidentified. One was a deflating balloon.
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L109[09:23:24] <Mat2ch> https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf
L110[09:23:26] <Mat2ch> wait
L111[09:23:36] <Mat2ch> 9 pages for 140 incidents?!
L112[09:23:47] <Mat2ch> I thought we might get a list of something
L113[09:23:58] <Althego> lol
L114[09:24:37] <Mat2ch> This is sad. If you want to find the needle in the haystack you better use the full potential of this billion people neural network!
L115[09:24:56] <Althego> "Parturient montes, nascetur ridiculus mus"
L116[09:25:03] <Althego> ok i had to look it up, but still
L117[09:27:14] <Mat2ch> It is labeled as Preliminary Assessment
L118[09:27:15] <sandbox> prelimary
L119[09:27:18] <Mat2ch> hm
L120[09:28:24] <Mat2ch> "The limited amount of high-quality reporting on u nidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) hampers our ability to draw firm conclusions" in other words: GIVE US MOAR MONEY
L121[09:28:26] <Mat2ch> :D
L122[09:28:30] <Mat2ch> It's the first sentence!
L123[09:29:38] <flayer> its just not interesting at all, is basically the conclusion I've drawn from this
L124[09:31:59] <Mat2ch> you mean that they remain unidentified?
L125[09:34:24] <flayer> i mean it's completely uninteresting
L126[09:34:32] <flayer> in terms of 'aliens'
L127[09:35:48] <Mat2ch> Well, I'm more in for the technology. If something can move fast in air, water and space then I want to know hwo.
L128[09:35:52] <Mat2ch> *how
L129[09:36:06] <flayer> sure
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L132[10:29:53] <flayer> i think we'll get more info on the tech in ways other than a 'UFO report' tho
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L136[11:13:07] <Althego> immune
L137[11:17:28] <Mat2ch> flayer: better cameras could help. :D
L138[11:17:44] <Mat2ch> In addition to the radar and ir equipment
L139[11:17:59] <Althego> https://xkcd.com/1235/
L140[11:18:02] <Mat2ch> a part of the crew has the task (and is trained to do so) to film these events
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L142[11:18:41] <Mat2ch> Althego: this is biased. The sightings are mainly in great heights or at night.
L143[11:25:40] <flayer> Mat2ch, it is more likely that information will come out in the form of investigative journalism in the tech sector
L144[11:26:02] <flayer> there are companies that are developing and experimenting with this kind of technology
L145[11:26:06] <Althego> i thought investigative journalism is dead in the post truth alternative facts era
L146[11:26:42] <flayer> that notion is the result of sensationalism in clickbait media
L147[11:29:19] <Izaya> it's not dead, but it is less profitable
L148[11:32:43] <flayer> yeah, and reporting on the idea that there are 'alternative facts' is profitable, so that idea that spread far and wide
L149[11:33:05] <flayer> its so weird how there's layers of nonsense
L150[11:33:19] <flayer> and new layers get added on top of it
L151[11:34:37] <Mat2ch> flayer: this kind of technology has to be around since the 1950s.
L152[11:34:46] <Mat2ch> otherwise some of that stuff is hard to explain
L153[11:34:50] <flayer> nah
L154[11:34:54] <Mat2ch> oh yes.
L155[11:35:10] <Mat2ch> Some of the sightings report swarms of flying objects.
L156[11:35:16] <Mat2ch> Not a single experimental craft.
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L158[11:35:43] <Mat2ch> Think about it how long it takes to develop a new aircraft. We are talking about 20 years or so
L159[11:36:02] <Mat2ch> before that there are at least 10 years of test and experimental crafts
L160[11:36:10] <Mat2ch> they had to start in 1990.
L161[11:36:39] <Mat2ch> And usually from theory to full sized experiment takes decades as well.
L162[11:37:01] <flayer> my bread is all stale :(
L163[11:37:20] <Althego> at least you didnt lose a loaf of bread
L164[11:37:34] <Mat2ch> toast it! :)
L165[11:37:49] <Mat2ch> you can also microwave it to make it softer...
L166[11:40:01] <Althego> eh it was leet time and i missed it again
L167[11:40:55] <flayer> Mat2ch, oohh thanks that worked
L168[11:41:04] <Althego> yes, it is a nice trick
L169[11:50:57] <Izaya> too long and it goes rubbery though
L170[11:51:41] <Althego> bring me a (sh)rubbery
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L172[13:08:43] <Mat2ch> flayer: you're welcome
L173[13:08:50] <Mat2ch> and don't ask how I know that.
L174[13:08:51] <Mat2ch> :D
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L181[14:59:24] <Althego> i didnt know zhurong made a video too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4DfcRiPatE
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L189[17:23:19] <darsie> I had a thermometer and a barometer overheat in a fairing. Putting it on struts helped.
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L193[18:19:30] <Althego> heat insulating struts. interesting
L194[18:19:47] <Althego> but dont forget, the .1 is coming
L195[18:20:01] <Althego> because matt lowne said so, there is at least one missing part they wanted to add
L196[18:21:18] <raptop> A plush kraken?
L197[18:21:31] * raptop would assume that struts don't so much do insulation as heat transfer
L198[18:27:10] <Althego> no, some ground anchoring part
L199[18:27:29] <darsie> For Minmus?
L200[18:27:37] <darsie> We have teh Klaw for asteroids.
L201[18:33:39] <Althego> for planets
L202[18:33:45] <Althego> base building i guess
L203[18:33:59] <Althego> i vaguely remember the blogs were mentioning that
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L205[18:36:12] <Althego> finally scott made a video about the final release
L206[18:42:06] <Althego> he mentioned the future .1 release too
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L212[19:12:44] <darsie> How can I tell if I've been long enough on solar orbit for it to be recognized?
L213[19:13:16] <darsie> I guess I could temporarily switch to auto upgrade or so.
L214[19:13:26] <Althego> recognized?
L215[19:13:46] <Althego> for mission completion? those are usually within seconds
L216[19:13:58] <darsie> For Kerbal experience.
L217[19:14:30] <darsie> It's not a mission.
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L219[19:15:20] <raptop> Hrm, yeah, the game is subtle about that
L220[19:15:27] <raptop> quicksave and search the file?
L221[19:15:43] * raptop is realizing that what darsie is describing should probably be a feature
L222[19:15:47] <Althego> if you mean standard kerbal experience, it is logged in the kerbal's part of the config instantly. but normally the experience is gained only upon recovering the kerbal, unless set to instant gain in settings
L223[19:17:48] <darsie> I activated 'Kerbals level up immediately' but it doesn't show up. Maybe I have to stay out longer. Or farther.
L224[19:18:00] <Althego> no, not really
L225[19:18:10] <Althego> i usually just poke out of the soi and come back immediately
L226[19:18:26] <darsie> Doesn't (always) work for me.
L227[19:26:03] <Althego> so is it there in the save?
L228[19:26:09] <Althego> you can just search for the kerbal's name
L229[19:26:35] <darsie> Ok, instant level up upgrades the stars, but not the achievement list.
L230[19:26:36] <Althego> because if it is there, the instant leveling mechanism is broken. if it is not there, then the whole experience detection is broken
L231[19:27:36] <Althego> oh my, what a long selfie stick you have https://twitter.com/Peter_J_Beck/status/1408209721861885952
L232[19:29:01] <flayer> when starship orbital
L233[19:29:05] <Althego> what, 3rd launch pad? they dont even have the second operational
L234[19:29:19] <Althego> soon tm
L235[19:29:33] <Althego> possibly next month according to their intentionally leaked out timer
L236[19:30:05] <Althego> at least that is the soonest when the engines can be ready
L237[19:34:50] <flayer> https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/spacex-aims-to-launch-first-orbital-starship-flight-in-july.html
L238[19:34:56] <flayer> "SpaceX aims to launch first orbital Starship flight in July, company president says"
L239[19:35:20] <flayer> "Elon Musk’s SpaceX is “shooting for July” to launch the first orbital spaceflight of its Starship rocket, company president Gwynne Shotwell said on Friday."
L240[19:38:16] <darsie> Ok, it's in teh save file.
L241[19:40:13] <Althego> i think it will slip into august
L242[19:40:47] <flayer> you will slip into august
L243[19:40:59] <Althego> i expect to
L244[19:41:18] <Althego> i expect about 30 more augusts
L245[19:41:18] <raptop> Don't slip on August, and break something
L246[19:42:31] <Althego> augustus has been dead for some 2 millenia, cant slip on him
L247[19:43:57] <flayer> what are the chances they will make it into space on their first attempt?
L248[19:44:08] <Althego> into space? decent
L249[19:44:24] <flayer> i think its about 50/50
L250[19:44:29] <Althego> making into orbit? now that is harder. making it back? probably not
L251[19:44:42] <flayer> 50/50 that they will launch and get a decent trajectory for space
L252[19:45:15] <Althego> but wone thing bothers me. there is not enough time to test the booster
L253[19:45:22] <flayer> no chance they're getting anything back but rubble
L254[19:45:44] <Althego> i expect at least the heat shield pieces to survive :)
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L256[20:18:42] <Althego> couldnt finish all the flat earth today. continued tomorrow
L257[20:40:01] <darsie> Kerbals were upgraded for the solar orbit.
L258[20:40:49] <Althego> too bad we cant really upgrade humans
L259[20:41:07] <Althego> by adding some radiation tolerance
L260[20:41:08] <flayer> tbh we kinda can
L261[20:41:44] <darsie> We can train them.
L262[20:42:03] <darsie> To be pilots, engineers, scientists.
L263[20:42:03] <flayer> if we get like 400-500 people on regular basis to the moon, we will have an experienced group of space travelers
L264[20:42:13] <Althego> we can rebuild him. we have the technology
L265[20:42:32] <Althego> moon is like an extended earth
L266[20:42:40] <Althego> that is nothing
L267[20:42:44] <darsie> flayer: How long till they exhaust their radiation exposure limit?
L268[20:43:43] <flayer> i think we can give them a year on the moon, two years on earth -- so we'd need about 1500-2500 people, rotating per 500 on a regular basis--this for about 30 years for a full career of space operations
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L270[21:10:25] <darsie> ksp crashed
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L272[21:12:37] <flayer> you sure you didn't accidentally click the close button?
L273[21:12:47] <darsie> mhm
L274[21:13:17] <darsie> Didn't lose anything (important).
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L276[21:32:58] * darsie spent 11 years waiting for multimillion VF asteroid detection contracts and upgraded all buildings.
L277[21:36:34] <flayer> !
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