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L26[07:30:23] <kubi> hohohohoooo
L27[07:30:25] <kubi> 1.12
L28[08:08:55] <darsie> kubi: With inverted
mousewheel and slow mouse.
L29[08:25:20] <kubi> juhu
L30[08:25:27] <kubi> inverted mouse wheel
was with us once
L31[08:25:46] <kubi> changing UI is a crime
against humanity
L32[08:35:04] <darsie> Fortunately it's
only the last major subversion. I guess there'll be subsubversions
to fix stuff like this.
L33[08:37:06] <darsie> Fairings still have
high drag as root part.
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L36[08:47:59] <kubi> maybe it is not
inverted wheel, but re-inverted to the original and the config hack
needs to be back
L37[08:48:06] <kubi> or am I just
dreaming?
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L47[12:09:05] <Deddly> A decade of KSP, eh?
Amazing
L48[12:13:51] <darsie> my flat mate bought
an early version with btc.
L49[12:14:12] <darsie> What do you call
them? Early bird?
L50[12:18:12] <Deddly> Prerelease?
L51[12:18:17] <Deddly> Alpha?
L52[12:19:06] <darsie> Can't be prerelease
if it's openly sold for 10 EUR, can it?
L53[12:20:34] <Deddly> I guess different
outlets have their own terms for these things
L55[13:00:22] <Althego> zombanwa
L56[13:09:59] <darsie> Hmm, a lowest dv to
orbit challenge would be interesting, but we can't measure actual
dv, only vacuum and in air.
L57[13:10:49] *
darsie seeing 3300 m/s to LKO in that map while having reached
orbit <3000 m/s.
L58[13:12:57] <Althego> i think echjeb can
measure it
L59[13:13:11] <darsie> Ahh, ok.
L60[13:20:44] <Althego> and actually the
only way to measure it precisely is to follow the same
trajectory
L61[13:20:50] <Althego> so you need a
machine control anyway
L62[13:21:10] <Althego> but obviously you
need to fine-tune the ascent profile
L63[13:22:24] <darsie> So mechjeb can't
measure the dv used in manual ascends?
L64[13:22:30] <darsie> ascents*
L65[13:23:01] <Althego> it can
L66[13:23:12] <Althego> but it will be
variable
L67[13:23:21] <Althego> so you need to
measure it several times and take the average
L68[13:23:48] <darsie> or just take the dv
of individual ascents.
L69[13:23:55] <darsie> If that's what I
want.
L70[13:24:53] <Althego> so you want to
measure the human factor too, the piloting skill, not just the ship
design?
L71[13:26:39] <darsie> yes
L72[13:27:49] <Althego> that is a different
thing i had it mind, i thought only of the designs. but equally
valid. not a design ranking but a race
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L78[13:48:27] <Althego> but many other
games are on sale too
L79[14:03:04] <packbart> I finally finished
my XCOM2 campaign
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L81[14:13:10] <Bavib> Question: After the
update of KSP to ver.1.12.
L82[14:13:45] <Althego> you will be
attacked by a horde of undead warriors
L83[14:14:31] <Bavib> Question: After the
update of KSP to ver.: 1.12.0.3140 , my ap- and pe- markers aren't
visible anymore... Any suggestions ???
L84[14:17:52] <darsie> Downgrade to
1.11.2?
L85[14:18:01] <darsie> File a bug
report.
L86[14:18:20] <Althego> haha
L87[14:18:25] <Althego> like that would do
anything
L88[14:18:44] <darsie> Deddly was
interested in my superkerbals.
L89[14:18:56] <Althego> can they fly?
L90[14:19:04] <darsie> It appeared there
was a bug tracking system.
L91[14:19:10] <Althego> yes
L92[14:19:20] <darsie> They can carry more
than they should be able to.
L93[14:19:30] <Althego> and since this is
end of development, i doubt much is going to happen with them
L94[14:19:57] <Deddly> Bavib, that's
odd
L95[14:20:08] <Deddly> Bavib, is this the
same save or a new one?
L96[14:20:36] <Deddly> Althego, the Dev
team regularly consult that bug tracker
L97[14:21:08] <Deddly> We need someone else
on Linux who can confirm that bug, darsie
L98[14:21:10] <Bavib> An existing save..
Seems to be a bug in this newer version... Need to downgrade
KSP...
L99[14:21:26] <darsie> Deddly: why?
L100[14:21:30] <Bavib> Looking to do that
in Steam...
L101[14:21:51] <Althego> i launch
something for the ap pe markers
L102[14:21:56] <darsie> Deddly: Otherwise
it's just a glitch?
L103[14:22:01] <Deddly> Bavib, it's
possible something got messed up with the things you have unlocked.
Are you playing a career game or sandbox?
L104[14:22:31] <Deddly> darsie, well, it
could be something weird with your particular game and mod
combination
L105[14:22:37] <darsie> mhm
L106[14:22:45] <Deddly> darsie, but you
can, of course, file a bug report
L107[14:22:50] <darsie> where?
L108[14:23:30] <darsie> I won't for this
bug.
L109[14:23:33] <Althego> i have
markers
L111[14:23:54] <darsie> ok
L112[14:24:00] <Deddly> Bavib, also, do
you have any mods installed?
L113[14:24:32] <Deddly> darsie, it would
be very cool if you could file that. I can try and see if QA have
some spare resources to confirm it
L114[14:25:05] <darsie> The inverted and
slow mouse in 1.12 is far more annoying.
L115[14:25:52] <darsie> It makes me think,
WTH, don't they run the game before releasing it?
L116[14:26:14] <Deddly> I think Linux
unfortunately gets much less testing :(
L117[14:26:19] <Deddly> Mac too
L118[14:26:35] <darsie> Yeah. Like ...
none.
L119[14:26:37] <Deddly> That's why a bug
report is so valuable
L120[14:27:44] <Deddly> But to be honest,
three are so many variables with a game like KSP that it just isn't
possible to cover everything in QA and prerelease testing
L121[14:27:52] <Deddly> there*
L122[14:27:59] <Althego> that reminds me.
i still need to measure the power intake of the company laptop for
the scheduled blackout next week
L123[14:28:27] <Bavib> Deddly: Career
game... Also LMP-mod to play on a server. My current version LMP
can't run on this newer version of KSP.
L124[14:29:19] <Althego> lol, the kspedia
icon changes position on the toolbar between map and external view.
just who does this
L125[14:29:23] <Deddly> Bavib, OK. If you
open up a new, unmodded sanbox save, can you see the AP/PE markers
then?
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L128[14:38:07] <Bavib> Serious bugs in
this new upgrade ! ! !
L129[14:39:14] <Althego> new sandbox, ap
is there, still ascending
L130[14:39:24] <Althego> but i am on
windows
L131[14:42:09] <Althego> pe is there
too
L132[14:42:30] <Althego> i do hope for a
.1 release there are usually some bugs upon each release
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L135[14:47:57] <Deddly> Bavib,
unfortunately, almost every major release of KSP always has some
serious bugs. I usually wait for the inevitable bug release version
before playing on my own game.
L136[14:48:25] <Deddly> Bavib, are you
playing on Windows, Mac or Linux?
L137[14:48:54] <Bavib> Thanx anyway,
Deddly ;-) Windows.
L138[14:50:09] <Deddly> Bavib, and you're
not running any mods? Do you have the Steam version?
L139[14:53:40] <Mat2ch> Deddly: well, they
should drop Mac support then :D :P
L140[14:54:10] <Althego> in a sane world
windows and macos wouldnt exist
L141[14:54:36] <Mat2ch> well, Linux
neither... there are probably even better ways to do this ;)
L142[14:54:52] <Althego> at this computing
is fubar
L143[14:54:54] <Deddly> Yeah, Workbench
FTW
L144[14:55:05] <Deddly> AmigaOS = best
OS
L145[14:55:07] <Althego> maybe os/2 warp
shouldnt have died out :)
L146[14:57:05] <Mat2ch> I'm talking about
kernel/modules/drivers architecture here!
L147[14:57:33] <Mat2ch> Like a micro
kernel (that performs well...) and then modules that can't bring
the main kernel down.
L148[14:57:57] <Althego> amiga had big
endian cpu too
L149[14:58:01] <Althego> the only ghood
endian
L150[14:58:52] <Althego> we are cursed
with the little endian on x86. and most oses on arm are little
endian too
L151[15:00:24] <Althego> at least now we
have a separate graphical unit on the pc again. the video card. it
seems the hw sound isnt really coming back
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L156[15:33:49] <Deddly> darsie, if you do
get a change to put something in the bug tracker, I'd really
appreciate a link.
L157[15:34:37] <darsie> sure
L158[15:34:50] <Deddly> Thanks :)
L159[15:35:07] <darsie> Deddly: I have no
Ap, too. I think I should. Started a new game, upraded Tracking
station.
L160[15:35:34] <darsie> Dated quicksaves,
KER, EEX
L161[15:35:44] <darsie> And a few
dependencies.
L162[15:35:55] <darsie> 11.2 rated or
so
L163[15:36:59] <Deddly> darsie, oh,
interesting.
L164[15:37:10] <Deddly> Can you test with
no mods?
L165[15:37:32] <Deddly> chanlog
L166[15:37:34] <Mod9000> I keep channel
logs here: bitcoinshell.mooo.com/users/deddly/?C=M;O=D
L167[15:38:44] <darsie> Also did a fresh
install.
L168[15:39:22] <Deddly> darsie, so, to be
clear, you have a fresh install, no mods, and it still doesn't show
you AP/PE markers?
L169[15:39:47] <darsie> just removed mods
...
L170[15:41:19] <darsie> The intro screen
seem to do their fade in/out steps only when there's a new part
being processed. Blocks when one takes long.
L171[15:41:50] <darsie> During
startup.
L172[15:44:54] <darsie> Deddly: Yep, no
Ap.
L173[15:46:20] <Deddly> Steam
version?
L174[15:47:41] <Deddly> (Thanks for
pinging me - I have IRC behind another window at the moment)
L175[15:48:30] <darsie> Tracking Station
says "Facility Level 1, Fully Operational, Upgrade 150,000.00
VF, Orbits visible in map, Max DSN Power: 2.00 G"
L176[15:49:59] <darsie> Steam built: Jun 8
2021, at 22:23:41
L177[15:50:08] <darsie> Deddly:
L178[15:50:45] <Deddly> Steam version?
:)
L179[15:50:50] <Deddly> OK
L180[15:51:27] <Deddly> darsie, please
could you use Steam's built-in "verify local files"
feature?
L183[15:54:34] <Althego> hehe it is not
that it is missing
L184[15:54:45] <Althego> the line should
be blue normally
L185[15:54:53] <Althego> so it doesnt even
want to render it
L186[15:54:58] <darsie> The tracking
station upgrade failed.
L187[15:55:56] <darsie> It doesn't seem to
deducted the price from my balance, but the upgrade price increased
to 150,000.00.
L188[15:56:20] <Althego> lol
L189[15:56:50] <Deddly> darsie, can you
verify files?
L190[15:56:56] <darsie> doing
L191[15:57:33] <darsie> 11 failed,
reacquired ...
L192[15:57:34] <Althego> darsie is not
doing :)
L193[15:58:18] <darsie> I am Allah
;p
L194[15:59:31] <Deddly> OK. Crazy stuff
can happen if those files are not verified. So it will be
interesting to see what happens after reacquiring them. To be on
the safe side, darsie, could you verify again after those 11 files
have been fixed?
L195[15:59:45] <raptop> darsie:
congratulations, you are now doing. I hope you can do all the
stuff
L196[15:59:46] <darsie> yes
L197[16:00:21] <darsie> 1 failed ...
L198[16:00:58] <Deddly> 1 always fails,
that's not a concern
L199[16:01:06] <Althego> hehe
L200[16:01:18] <Deddly> I think the 1 that
always fails is the settings file
L201[16:01:23] <darsie> downloading
...
L202[16:01:28] <darsie> all
validated
L203[16:01:34] <darsie> successfully
L204[16:02:06] <darsie> I quit ksp during
one of the validations.
L205[16:03:00] *
flayer farts
L206[16:03:19] *
darsie ignites flayer.
L207[16:03:30] <darsie> Ignition ...
L208[16:03:34] <Althego> wasa good
game
L209[16:03:35] <darsie> And liftoff!
L210[16:04:41] <raptop> Buzz Aldrin's Race
Into Space!
L211[16:10:31] <darsie> Hmm, the price for
first Tracking station upgrade is 150 kVF. Maybe I didn't
upgrade?
L212[16:10:40] <darsie> I was so sure I
did ...
L213[16:14:31] <darsie> Deddly: I have
Ap.
L214[16:14:43] *
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L216[16:15:33] <Deddly> Ooh,
interesting!
L217[16:16:13] <Deddly> darsie, what is
especially interesting about this one is that two people
experienced the same problem at the same time. What happens if you
add in your mods again?
L218[16:16:44] <darsie> We'll see. I
deleted my game and start anew with mods ...
L219[16:17:50] <Deddly> Oh. I was going to
suggest using the same saved game
L220[16:18:31] <Deddly> It's not
impossible that there is something going on that corrupts the save
in some way
L221[16:20:41] <darsie> btw, I'm launching
the ksp_64 binary directly (from a custom made .desktop
entry).
L222[16:22:37] <Deddly> That's fine
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L224[16:23:55] <flayer> what about the
scroll stuff
L225[16:24:06] <flayer> it was
inverted
L226[16:24:21] <darsie> It still is.
L227[16:24:37] <darsie> And RMB drag turns
slower.
L228[16:24:49] <darsie> And MMB zooms
slower.
L229[16:24:55] <darsie> MMB drag
L230[16:25:39] <flayer> for me too
L231[16:26:38] <darsie> Dragging KER
windows is choppy.
L232[16:32:04] <FLHerne> Hrm
L233[16:32:14] <FLHerne> On my laptop,
1.12 seems to hang on startup
L234[16:32:28] <FLHerne> It's using a lot
of CPU while not apparently doing anything [even opening a
window]
L235[16:33:07] <darsie> Deddly: I have Ap
with mods. I guess I just didn't upgrade the Tracking
Station.
L236[16:33:54] <Deddly> Well, verified
files for the win :)
L238[16:36:49] <darsie> Does the verify
conflict with mods?
L239[16:37:59] <Deddly> It shouldn't do
but I haven't tested
L240[16:39:01] <flayer> not unless the
mods overwrite some squad files in the file system
L241[16:41:19] <FLHerne> Tried under X11
instead of Wayland in case it was that; it isn't
L242[16:41:29] <FLHerne> (I'm on an Ivy
Bridge laptop running Arch Linux)
L243[16:52:10] <Althego> hehe i think my
own laptop is an ivy bridge too. havent turned it on for years,
since i quit my old job and didnt need to travel
L244[16:52:25] <Althego> ran the game very
poorly
L245[16:54:53] <Althego> shouldnt be a
launch today?
L246[16:55:07] <Althego> ah no video
L247[16:55:14] <Althego> russian military
satellite
L248[16:55:40] <Althego> wait, i thought
there was one flacon 9 this week too
L249[16:55:51] <Althego> not anymore, on
tuesday
L250[16:57:33] <Althego> hah, "am cat
in two hours"
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L252[17:15:49] <Mat2ch> linuxgurugamer
suprised me a bit in the video
L253[17:16:58] <Althego> rain surprised me
too. that it didnt happen
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L256[17:52:41] <Althego> ok, laptop takes
only about 8 watts in idle with brightness turned down (12 when
not, so significant). it can also run about 2 hours on its tiny
battery. so my plan for thursday is to run it 1 hour from the ups,
after then unplug it, and let the ups run the routers. after 2
hours when it is close to shutdown plug it back in as a last resort
if power did not came back
L257[17:53:12] <darsie> The SI unit for
pressure is Pa, not PA.
L258[17:53:31] <darsie> .tell deddly
aoeu
L259[17:53:40] <Althego> what would PA be?
public announcement?
L260[17:54:11] <darsie> Sound
pressure?
L261[17:54:36] <darsie> petaampere
L262[17:54:50] <darsie> But they use
kPA.
L263[17:55:01] <darsie> and multiplyin SI
prefixes is not allowed.
L264[17:56:37] <darsie> I was wondering
what these shperical capsules were about. 4000 kPa=40 bar=400 m
under water on Earth. Not super deep.
L265[17:57:01] <darsie> 390 m
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L269[18:04:47] <Althego> those are rookie
numbers :)
L270[18:06:19] <FLHerne> Althego: Yeah,
I'll try it on my desktop when it's available
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L281[19:02:54] <Althego> "am
cat" :)
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L290[20:03:20] <Althego> wah
L291[20:43:39] <packbart> I just updated
my Linux KSP and yes, the mouse zoom is inverted. I seem to
remember that problem with a previous version, too
L292[20:43:53] <packbart> setting Invert
in settings.cfg
L293[20:46:46] <packbart> darsie: how did
you overload the Kerbal's inventory?
L294[20:49:18] <darsie> packbart: pick up
two things from the ground.
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L296[20:51:56] <packbart> hm. can't pick
up the FL-A5 adapter (325l). maybe that's too big
L297[20:59:15] <raptop> huh, 75% off KSP
Steam sale
L298[21:00:06] <packbart> hm. can't
reproduce with the ground experiment "Pick up part"
action. "Picking up deployed part would exceed Kerbal carry
capacity."
L299[21:01:49] <packbart> neither in
construction mode
L300[21:02:06] <packbart> darsie: your
Kerbals have magic superpowers :)
L301[21:02:31] <darsie> Did I do this with
1.12?
L302[21:02:50] <darsie> I think still
1.11.2
L303[21:03:50] <packbart> hm. I only keep
a single version on the Linux laptop, so can't test 1.11.2. Kerbal
capacity limit seems to work as expected in 1.12
L304[21:05:45] <packbart> clicking
"Pickup" while the shutdown animation plays doesn't
superload it, either
L305[21:07:21] <packbart> Pressing "F
to Interact" opens a status window for the part. That's
new
L306[21:08:16] <darsie> I miss 'aim camera
here' in 1.12.
L307[21:09:04] <packbart> Works for
me
L308[21:13:10] <darsie> Maybe I need to
launch for that.
L309[21:14:35] <darsie> nope
L310[21:16:55] <packbart> no, works for me
on the launchpad. didn't you already have that particular problem
before?
L311[21:17:04] <darsie> no
L312[21:18:02] <darsie> Interesting, Jeb
can pilot a rocket from the Mk1 Crew Cabin, while Bob is sitting in
the Command Pod.
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