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L19[05:05:33] <Althego> guh, zombanwa, but
it is apex
L20[05:15:11] <minas_tirith> Althego,
hi
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L33[08:02:33] <Althego> zombanwa
(again)
L34[08:06:04] <Althego> oh no, i was
looking forward to more holoen server action, but i guess she is
back to the usual tree chopping on the jp
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L39[08:58:20] <Mat2ch> that one hurts. Very
very much.
L40[08:58:22] <Mat2ch> :D
L41[08:59:15] <Althego> hehe
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L48[10:43:02] <darsie> Is there a good
channel to talk about SM?
L49[10:43:13] <Althego> sailor moon?
L50[10:43:18] <darsie> Surviving Mars
:)
L51[10:43:57] <darsie> There's
#paradox@oftc, but it's low traffic.
L52[10:44:02] <darsie> and small
L53[10:44:14] <darsie> s/oftc/rizon
L54[10:45:20] <darsie> Shall I post my
experience about my first SM game here?
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L56[10:45:56] <darsie> hi Fluburtur
L57[11:37:56] <darsie> 1337
L58[11:40:31] <sandbox> [12:37:59] a close
call
L59[11:42:24] <Mat2ch> hrhr
L60[11:42:38] <Mat2ch> why do it by hand
when you can automate it?
L61[11:43:33] <darsie> Becaues it counts
more.
L62[11:43:45] <Althego> way harder to
do
L63[11:43:56] <Althego> also it is a very
bad time for me
L64[11:44:07] <Althego> i think i could be
more successful with 9 or even 11
L65[11:44:18] <Althego> but after 13, it is
getting harder
L66[11:44:33] <darsie> That's like showing
your math skills by doing 500 gigahashes/s.
L68[11:45:21] <Althego> 0.2 hash / s
L69[11:45:46] <Althego> i would say not bad
for an 1 mhz 8 bit computer that is almost 40 years old
L70[12:05:08] <Mat2ch> Althego: don't put 9
and 11 together!
L71[12:05:39] <Althego> i didnt
L72[12:06:03] <Mat2ch> You mentioned it in
on sentence! ;)
L73[12:06:22] <Althego> also dont put 6 and
9 together, or 4 and 20 together
L74[12:06:29] <Althego> it is like crossing
the streams :)
L75[12:07:14] <Mat2ch> uh, well, public
toilets aren't a thing right now. It's hard to cross streams.
L76[12:07:26] <Althego> lol didnt mean
that
L77[12:08:41] <Mat2ch> I know what you
meant. But who is old enough to know Ghostbusters? ;)
L78[12:08:42] <Althego> i meant
ghostbusters and you know it
L79[12:10:06] <Mat2ch> And I just ignored
it. :D
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L94[15:09:26] <Mat2ch> bye bye BN1. You
will be not missed and replaced soon by BN2.
L95[15:10:23] <Althego> what, already
disassembling it?
L96[15:12:27] <Mat2ch> yep
L97[15:12:33] <Mat2ch> Mary just posted a
picture of it.
L99[15:14:26] <Althego> meanwhile elon
doesnt say anything
L100[15:15:01] <Mat2ch> Changing diapers
takes time
L101[15:15:09] <Althego> hehe
L102[15:17:52] <minas_tirith> Hi
L103[15:17:52] <Mod9000> Hello,
minas_tirith
L104[15:18:00] <minas_tirith> Hi
Mod9000
L105[15:18:02] <Mod9000> How are
things?
L106[15:18:12] <minas_tirith> Jut
okay
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L108[15:29:24] <Althego> yay broken
silicon
L109[15:29:50] <Althego> did anybody watch
the real time vostok 1 with scott?
L110[15:30:42] <sandbox> he has a time
machine?
L111[15:30:59] <Althego> it was some game
with some other space youtubers i think
L112[15:32:16] <darsie> 4 and 20 is a
ghost busters reference?
L113[15:32:23] <Althego> no
L114[15:32:29] <Althego> the dont cross
the streams is
L115[15:32:39] <darsie> k. I don't get
it.
L116[15:33:15] <darsie> My flat mate has a
time machine on her Mac.
L117[15:33:24] <minas_tirith> Hi
darsie
L118[15:33:28] <darsie> hi
minas_tirith
L119[15:34:08] <sandbox> blackbirds?
L120[15:34:35] <flayer> /me licks
minas_tirith
L121[15:35:24] <darsie> The capital of
Gondor, Minas Tirith (Sindarin: "the Tower of Guard"[2]),
lay at the eastern end of the White Mountains, built around a
shoulder of Mount Mindolluin.
L123[15:35:38] <Althego> dont cross the
streams
L124[15:36:37] <flayer> from a time when i
enjoyed movies
L125[15:36:52] <darsie> Ok. I still don't
get 4 and 20.
L126[15:36:53] <flayer> i bet i'd get
annoyed with plot holes and such if i watched ghostbusters
now
L127[15:37:05] <Althego> so you get 6 and
9?
L128[15:37:09] <darsie> I guess I
do.
L129[15:37:16] <darsie> I'm an adult
;).
L130[15:37:22] <flayer> 420 breaks the
channel rules as well
L131[15:37:26] <Althego> 420 is an other
topic that is not allowed on this channel
L132[15:37:48] <darsie> ok,
whatever.
L133[15:38:10] <Althego> i think totally
coincidentally april 20 is the birthday of adolf
L134[15:38:55] <darsie> Hmm, ok. I guess
that proves that I'm not a Nazi, even though I have a swastika on
my room door.
L135[15:39:25] *
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L136[15:39:35] <Althego> hehe
L137[15:39:36] <TheKosmonaut> My snitch
bot whispers
L138[15:39:47] <darsie> TheKosmonaut: How
long did you sleep? Be careful with your answer ;).
L139[15:39:56] <darsie> Nazi
L140[15:40:06] <Althego> yes that pings
us
L141[15:40:07] <darsie> adolf
L142[15:40:10] <TheKosmonaut> /kick darsie
(reason: no)
L143[15:40:24] <Althego> it was my
fault
L144[15:40:43] <Althego> i shouldnt have
mentioned a random associated fact
L145[15:41:20] <darsie> Maybe that's why
we should no put these numbers together.
L146[15:41:59] <minas_tirith> Whats wrong
with 420?
L147[15:42:37] <darsie> Prove you're not a
child ;).
L148[15:42:47] <darsie> or don't :)
L149[15:42:51] <Althego> you can google
it
L150[15:43:01] <Althego> shocking, isnt
it
L151[15:44:29] <darsie> Don't drink H20.
It's unstable.
L152[15:46:02] <Althego> h twenty? what is
that
L153[15:46:36] <Althego> does anybody call
water hoh? like foof instead of o2f2?
L154[15:46:40] <darsie> A molecule with 20
hydrogen toms.
L155[15:47:23] <Althego> hydrogen toms, as
opposed to hydrogen cecils?
L156[15:47:34] *
darsie looks up cecils ...
L157[15:47:47] <darsie> Sorry, we found no
matches for your search term(s) cecils.
L158[15:48:01] <Althego> i just switched
to an other given name
L159[15:48:01] <flayer> i'm sleepy
L160[15:48:08] <Althego> cecil instead of
tom
L161[15:48:13] <darsie> You are
sleepy.
L162[15:48:49] <darsie> Tom is the correct
term for the previous misnomer atom.
L163[15:49:04] <Althego> ok i get it,
because they are not the smallest particles
L164[15:49:11] <darsie> Because they can
be split.
L165[15:49:23] <Althego> but still the
smallest parts with chemical properties
L166[15:50:02] <darsie> tomos=cut in
greek
L167[15:50:09] <darsie> or so
L168[15:50:15] <darsie> tomography
L169[15:50:19] <darsie> microtom
L170[15:50:48] <Althego> the problem is
nobody else uses it like that. we label that thing as atom,
regardless of actually being incorrect
L171[15:50:54] <Althego> what do you call
electrons then?
L172[15:51:02] <darsie> Electrons.
L173[15:51:11] <darsie> Feel free to join
me.
L174[15:51:40] <Althego> but they are not
amber
L175[15:51:51] <Althego> so obviously we
have to change the name
L176[15:52:11] <darsie> We could call them
betas.
L178[15:53:10] <darsie> Or
negatrons.
L179[15:53:17] <Althego> hehe i like
negatrons
L180[15:53:22] <darsie> :)
L181[15:53:31] <Althego> if we are at it,
let's change the charge of them to positive
L182[15:53:41] <darsie> totally :)
L183[15:53:45] <Althego> and rename kg to
gram
L184[15:53:53] <darsie> No, use the
grave.
L186[15:54:20] <Althego> reasonable
L187[15:54:54] <darsie> But we can't call
them negatrons if their charge is positive. We'd have to flip
positrons and negatrons.
L188[15:55:11] <Althego> i see no problem
with that
L189[15:55:18] <darsie> I do :)
L190[15:55:36] <darsie> Reuse of a related
term.
L191[15:55:40] <Althego> nega-kyn and
posi-chan :)
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L193[15:55:44] <Althego> *kun
L194[15:56:05] <darsie> That's why the
grave is so handy.
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L196[15:56:54] <darsie> We could also
consistently use the g. And consequently Mg, Gg, ...
L197[15:57:29] <darsie> Most importantly,
make it the base unit. That would redefine most SI units,
though.
L198[15:57:43] <darsie> With the G all
would stay the same.
L199[15:57:49] <Althego> that iswhy
problem, whatever the mass base unit is, it shouldnt have a
prefix
L200[15:58:21] <darsie> ofc we redefine 1
G as 1 kg.
L201[15:58:44] <darsie> I think it's still
stuck as some amount of water currently.
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L205[16:07:58] <UmbralRaptor> The kg
switched from being s chunk of some platinum-iridium alloy to being
related to Planck's constant a year or two ago
L206[16:08:23] <minas_tirith>
UmbralRaptor, units are tough
L207[16:08:27] <darsie> Since the official
redefinition?
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L211[16:09:26] <UmbralRaptop> yeah
L212[16:10:08] <darsie> 2019: The kilogram
is currently redefined in terms of the Planck constant as approved
by the General Conference on Weights and Measures (CGPM) on 16
November 2018.
L213[16:10:46] <minas_tirith> resistance
has such a complicated formulation in terms of fundamental
units
L214[16:10:46] <Althego> there were at
least two competing methods
L215[16:11:09] <Althego> a completely
smooth silicon sphere with only one isotope, and watt balance
L216[16:12:07] <darsie> Previously they
also tried to "count" gold atoms.
L217[16:12:34] <minas_tirith> darsie, how
many people did it take to count to a kilogram?
L218[16:12:43] <Althego> lol
L219[16:12:58] <darsie> They actually
integrated the current of a gold ion stream.
L220[16:13:49] <darsie> And I guess they
would have 'counted' to less than 1 kg practically.
L221[16:14:09] <minas_tirith> Oh ok
L222[16:14:20] <minas_tirith> How did they
count so fast?
L223[16:14:28] <minas_tirith> They must
have really sharp eyes
L224[16:20:19] <Althego> hehe there is the
joke about the shepherd. how many sheep are there? 218 replies the
shepherd instantly. how did you count it so fast? i counted the
number of les and divided by 4
L225[16:20:30] <Althego> *legs
L226[16:20:37] <darsie> :)
L227[16:20:44] <darsie> What if the result
was not an integer?
L228[16:20:58] <Althego> hard to say. can
actually happen
L229[16:21:42] <darsie> There's a guy with
0.03 legs.
L230[16:21:46] <minas_tirith> Althego, how
do you calculate 100! quickly?
L231[16:21:52] <minas_tirith> You compute
99! and multiply it by 100
L232[16:22:07] <Althego> dont go recursive
on me
L233[16:22:08] <darsie> 0, 1, 10, 11,
100
L234[16:22:18] <Althego> hehe
L235[16:22:20] <minas_tirith>
(factorial)
L236[16:22:23] <darsie> :)
L237[16:22:31] <Althego> still can choose
to use binary
L238[16:22:37] <Althego> and in that case
you can have it fast
L239[16:22:50] <minas_tirith> Ok
L240[16:23:01] <minas_tirith> How do you
calculate the sqrt(9) quickly?
L241[16:23:11] <minas_tirith> You compute
sqrt(3) then multiply it by itself
L242[16:23:29] <Althego> !calc 100!
L243[16:23:29] <Kerbot> Althego =>
93326215443944152681699238856266700490715968264381621468592963895217599993229915608941463976156518286253697920827223758251185210916864000000000000000000000000
L244[16:23:35] <Althego> i think it is
fast enough
L245[16:24:04] <minas_tirith> 100! is a
small number
L246[16:24:11] <Althego> yes,
relatively
L247[16:24:12] <minas_tirith> Lets
calculate a million factorial quickly
L248[16:24:21] <minas_tirith> At that size
normal multiplication won't work
L249[16:24:59] <Althego> i dont know how
this did it. arbitrary precision calculator, probably not using
flaots for it
L250[16:25:18] <darsie> !calc
4200*9.80665*ln(1070/1000)
L251[16:25:18] <Kerbot> darsie =>
~2786.71967723409103242439
L252[16:25:21] <minas_tirith> Yes
arbitrary precision
L253[16:25:26] <minas_tirith> But 100! is
a small number
L254[16:25:40] <minas_tirith> Million
factorial would require non-trivial multiplication algorithms
L255[16:25:51] <Althego> i dont want to
try that on a pi
L256[16:26:56] <darsie> !calc
4*100+20
L257[16:26:56] <Kerbot> darsie =>
420
L258[16:27:26] <minas_tirith> Althego, do
you know multiplication?
L259[16:27:46] <Althego> no, not
personally, i have heard of it
L260[16:27:59] <minas_tirith> Althego, its
very interesting
L261[16:28:30] <UmbralRaptop> 70! is
already >1e100
L262[16:28:45] <Althego> at least it is
not graham's number
L263[16:28:47] <minas_tirith> 100 digits
is a small number
L264[16:29:09] <minas_tirith> 100 digits
easily fit in ~ 12 32 bit integers
L265[16:29:14] <minas_tirith> even smaller
if we use binary
L266[16:29:17] <darsie> 1e100=googol, the
inspiration of the name google.
L267[16:29:17] <Althego> supposedly if you
wanted to hold that in memory the hwole area would turn int oa
black hole
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L269[16:31:26] <minas_tirith> But
yes
L270[16:31:38] <minas_tirith>
Multiplication is a very interesting and deep subject
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L272[16:41:23] <minas_tirith> darsie, do
you study algebra?
L273[16:41:47] <darsie> no
L274[16:41:58] <darsie> I had algebra at
uni.
L275[16:42:06] <darsie> Too hard for
me.
L276[16:42:38] <minas_tirith> darsie, what
subjects were dealt with in that course?
L280[16:44:22] <darsie> proves
L281[16:44:31] <darsie> proof by
induction
L282[16:44:39] <minas_tirith> Yes thats
the algebra I was thinking about
L283[16:44:48] <minas_tirith> It deals a
lot with the deep aspects of multiplication
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L290[17:25:32] <Althego> how do you call a
group of kerbals? (like flock of wbirds, murder of crows, pride of
lions, etc)
L291[17:25:45] <Althego> did i ask this
already?
L292[17:25:56] <raptop> An incident of
kerbals
L293[17:26:05] <Althego> hehe
L294[17:27:29] <Althego> hehe, the
national team moon lander. very tall with a long ladder. bades on
playing ksp it has two major flaws. going to flip on landing. then
the kerbal is going to slip on the ladder and fall down
L295[17:28:00] <Althego> just like in the
ksp2 trailer
L296[17:31:42] <umaxtu> More importantly
though, they played the politics well
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L301[18:02:13] <Mat2ch> Althego: I would
agree, but the heavy parts are on the bottom so it has a very low
CoM which makes it unlikely to flip.
L302[18:02:56] <Althego> not as low as the
dynetics lander
L303[18:03:18] <Althego> that loks exactly
like something i would build for kerbals
L304[18:03:56] <Althego> and the spacex is
of course just its own category
L305[18:04:05] <Althego> it has its own
landing engines
L306[18:04:16] <Althego> still lands
vertically
L307[18:04:41] <Althego> nice if you have
a landing pads, otherwise sounds bad
L308[18:05:10] <Mat2ch> depends on the
length of the landing legs
L309[18:09:34] <Althego> i feel the lunar
starship is an afterthought
L310[18:09:41] <Althego> elon wants to go
to mars
L311[18:09:46] <Althego> moon is not
really a goal
L312[18:09:52] <Althego> but they may do
it if nasa pays them
L313[18:09:54] <minas_tirith> Starship is
delusional
L314[18:10:00] <Althego> halu :)
L315[18:10:50] <minas_tirith> NASA will
pick up the samples long before mars starship does anything of
note
L316[18:13:01] <Althego> i think the
reverse
L317[18:13:11] <Althego> there is not even
a name for the sample return craft
L318[18:13:18] <Althego> and supposedly
eu
L319[18:13:27] <Althego> so it is going to
take at least adecade
L320[18:13:30] <minas_tirith> Just
slapping a name onto a delusion doesn't make it any more real
L321[18:16:29] <Althego> yes
L322[18:16:37] <Althego> but it means that
they dont have the faintest idea yet
L323[18:16:43] <Althego> no plannig has
started
L324[18:16:50] <Althego> and actually two
missions
L325[18:16:59] <Althego> one lands,
collects and launches it into orbit
L326[18:17:11] <Althego> and an other
finds it in orbit and takes it back to earth
L327[18:17:29] <Althego> with the usual
speed this is at least 15 years
L328[18:18:07] <minas_tirith> Althego,
NASA has lots of smart people
L329[18:18:17] <Althego> i dont doubt
that
L331[18:22:08] <Althego> i rememebr
jupiter icy moons orbiter
L332[18:22:28] <raptop> *sad
trombone*
L333[18:22:36] <Althego> which never
happened
L334[18:22:36] <minas_tirith> Althego, it
is also important not to spread our infections
L335[18:23:01] <Althego> also
backcontamination
L336[18:23:17] <Althego> safest would be
to land the martian samples on the moon
L337[18:23:21] <raptop> Speaking of
infections, apparently the US on the whole is stopping the J&J
vaccine rollout?
L338[18:23:22] <minas_tirith> Althego,
human beings are full to the neck with viruses and bacteria
L339[18:23:36] <minas_tirith> We should
not spread our viruses on the red planet
L340[18:23:41] <Althego> life is already a
big infection
L341[18:23:49] <Althego> viruses cant
spread without a host
L342[18:23:53] <Althego> bacteria might
live there
L343[18:24:07] <Althego> of course
bacteriphages would go with them
L344[18:24:20] <minas_tirith> Althego, we
have to protect the martians from our diseases
L345[18:24:31] <raptop> planetary
protection, etc
L346[18:24:44] <raptop> though
conveniently, the martian surface is quite hostile to earth
life
L347[18:24:53] <Althego> or to any
life
L348[18:25:06] <Althego> but if mars ever
had life, i think there is still some underground
L349[18:25:29] <Althego> even on earth
there are tons of bacteria livingdeep underground
L350[18:25:34] <minas_tirith> Althego,
sandworms
L351[18:25:45] <Althego> we couldnt wipe
them out even if we tried
L352[18:26:03] <Althego> thy are quite
safe there
L353[18:26:07] <Althego> just as they
would be on mars
L354[18:27:10] <Althego> the jj thing
seems to be similar to the astrazeneca, very rare cases, but
somehow still seem to be linked to the vaccine
L355[18:27:12] <minas_tirith> Althego, how
would we talk to the Martians?
L356[18:27:28] <Althego> cant talk to
bacteria
L357[18:27:35] <Althego> ok, you can but
pointless
L358[18:28:29] <minas_tirith> Bacterium
are a hardy peoples
L359[18:30:36] <Mat2ch> raptop: yes, for
the same reason AstraZeneca was stopped (or is only given to people
over 60 here)
L360[18:30:57] <minas_tirith> Yeah nobody
really needs vaccines, only old and vulnerable people
L361[18:30:58] <Mat2ch> raptop: minimal
risc of blood clot
L362[18:31:13] <Mat2ch> we have mostly
BioNTech here
L363[18:31:15] <Mat2ch> so
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L365[18:32:55] <Althego> biontech sounds
like some evil corporation in some scifi horror game :)
L366[18:33:25] <Althego> like gentek in
prototype
L367[18:34:42] <Althego> but about aliens.
you also dont talk. they may not even have hearing. or use
completely different frequencies. or use electromagnetic waves for
communication
L368[18:35:24] <minas_tirith> Althego,
then how will we determine means of communication
L369[18:35:50] <Althego> nobody
knows
L370[18:35:59] <umaxtu> with a giant
flying lightboard. duh
L371[18:36:24] <Althego> hehe like in
close encoutners
L372[18:36:46] <umaxtu> I was thinking
independence day
L373[18:37:56] <Althego> with nukes?
L374[18:42:59] <umaxtu> before that
L375[18:43:50] <Althego> i havent seen
that in a long time. maybe there was some flying helicopter with
some lightbulbs?
L376[18:44:01] <umaxtu> pretty sure there
was
L377[18:45:55] <raptop> There was
L378[18:46:00] <raptop> It got shot
down
L379[18:52:22] <minas_tirith> Hey
raptop
L380[18:52:51] <minas_tirith> Would you
swim with black alien octopodics in a green ocean?
L381[18:53:28] <raptop> Uh, I think I need
some vaccines and a safety course for that
L382[18:53:50] <minas_tirith> raptop,
(Solstheim)
L383[18:54:04] <minas_tirith> However the
ocean seemed very corrosive to normal folks
L384[18:54:16] <raptop> If I'm the
Nevarine, it should be fine
L385[18:55:01] <minas_tirith> raptop, in
that game you are a dragonborn not the nerevarine
L386[18:55:15] <minas_tirith> however the
main enemy is one of the past dbs I think
L387[18:55:26] <raptop> ah
L388[18:55:31] *
raptop has not played Skyrim >_>
L389[18:55:43] <minas_tirith> raptop, did
original Morrowind have Solstheim?
L390[18:58:30] <raptop> Sort of. The first
release didn't, but the Bloodmoon expansion (which is included in
any release since the GotY one in 2003) did
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