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L22[05:31:08] <Althego> old mccoco had a
farm e-i-e-i-o, on that farm she had a duck, e-i-e-i-o...
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L24[05:40:40] <UmbralRaptor> With a
shuba-shuba here, and a shuba-shuba there…
L25[05:40:53] <Althego> hehe
L26[06:02:21] *
UmbralRaptor really needs to remember that coco does things besides
the meme review
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L29[06:20:37] <JVFoxy> ... so contract
wants to land a base on minmus with 5 kerbals, including two
pilots. At least its not asking for 4000 or so fuel
L31[06:20:49] <Althego> yes i hate those
fuel contracts
L32[06:20:56] <Althego> dumbest thing
ever
L33[06:21:58] <Althego> i wonder, can i
delete hzd and keep all the saves. because i dont plan to play it
for a while and it is 100 gigs or so
L34[06:22:45] <JVFoxy> I just wanted to
test flight the lander up into orbit.. really not sure if I'm going
to use it though. I have another ship to push it out there
L35[06:23:02] <JVFoxy> 100gigs.. ouch
L36[06:23:24] <Althego> what is left is the
new game + mode, so basically a replay
L37[06:24:40] <JVFoxy> heard about the game
a little.. but was a while back
L38[06:25:00] <JVFoxy> not sure was my
sorta thing though. (not that I could play it on pc setup as it is
anyways)
L39[06:25:49] <Althego> ok i clicked keep
saves, and if it didnt that doesnt matter either
L40[06:26:43] <JVFoxy> spent a lot of
time/energy in the game I take it?
L41[06:28:26] <Althego> maybe two
week
L42[06:28:27] <Althego> s
L43[06:28:42] <Althego> but i have to
complete all side quests
L44[06:29:03] <Althego> even i am not crazy
to collect everything. huge world and lot of tiny pieces of lre i
didnt collect
L45[06:29:23] <Althego> but i collected all
the collectible items for side quests
L46[06:32:10] <JVFoxy> lol.. naming the
lander 'Igloo'
L47[06:32:16] <JVFoxy> cuz its gotta land
on minmus so..
L48[06:32:42] <Althego> how is that related
to minmus?
L49[06:32:52] <Althego> maybe lander for
eeloo and shaped like a dome
L50[06:33:04] <JVFoxy> Althego ah.. you
more a casual gamer or take gaming more serious?
L51[06:33:29] <Althego> i spent years
playing only ksp
L52[06:33:52] <Althego> but after maybe
five years i am more like a casual
L53[06:34:03] <Althego> so for the last two
years
L54[06:34:07] <JVFoxy> don't know.. guess
Minmus makes me think mint ice cream? I'm having a hard time
picking names for things these days. I was thinking some synonym
for outpost or something, then started searching in other
languages
L55[06:34:38] <Althego> i cant name them,
so i name them based on function
L56[06:35:08] <JVFoxy> KSP is like
literally the only game on my PC currently. I did get skyrim for
the 360 (friend sorta donated the xbox to me when he moved back to
North Ireland some years back)
L57[06:35:17] <Althego> so like tourist 1
and 2, mun 1 and 2, mun tourist 1 and 2, etc
L58[06:35:45] <JVFoxy> one of my first
early landers I named 'Frog' or something.. I think even Spider was
one
L59[06:41:07] <JVFoxy> I try to be a little
creative with the names, give it some thought. I don't want to do
anything too far out there. Granted, did name one plane made with a
truss section for a body 'twig'.
L60[06:42:34] <JVFoxy> I think I kind of
went through phases, as much as the game has, over the years. Being
able to make things a little better helped also. Trying to come up
with a name that either goes along with the function or
'personality' of the craft
L61[06:51:33] <Althego> i never had much
creativity
L62[06:51:46] <Althego> but i enjoy the
engineering aspect of the game
L64[06:53:50] <Althego> hehehhe
L65[07:05:26] <JVFoxy> but.. doesn't say if
the same bug had also been bothering other people as well... I'm
sure they may have collectively sighed as well. 'Finally, someone
who fixed it!'
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L70[07:44:17] <Althego> next week unsounded
finally starts updating again. also hopefully ingenuity makes its
first flight
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L72[08:29:01] <Althego> zombanwa
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L74[09:12:59] <JVFoxy> They sure taking it
really slow with setting up the little flier
L75[09:13:30] <JVFoxy> lol.. almost like
they acting nervous about it actually flying? -shrug
L76[09:17:07] <Althego> yes, falt earthers
are going to complain as there is not atmosphere oin mars the
helicopter cant fly :)
L77[09:17:14] <Althego> oh wait they
already did
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L79[09:41:18] <JVFoxy> I hadn't noticed...
news did show a pic to do with a pile of socks over there
L80[09:41:24] <JVFoxy> april fools of
course
L81[09:43:19] <JVFoxy> eh well..
sleeps
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L89[10:43:08] <flayer> twitch engines on
rotation servos are so incredibly multifunctional
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L93[10:50:57] *
darsie waits for the DLC to become discounted on
steam.
L94[10:51:15] <darsie> gog won't sell them
to me without KSP.
L95[10:51:47] <flayer> i'll buy them on
steam for you if you like
L96[10:53:25] <darsie> That would be odd. I
have enough money.
L97[10:54:27] <flayer> i just think you'd
really enjoy the robotics stuff lol
L98[10:54:34] <darsie> maybe
L99[10:54:45] <darsie> I don't play much
KSP any more.
L100[10:55:50] <darsie> How about I buy
one and you buy me the other?
L101[10:56:57] <darsie>
kerbalspaceprogram.com won't sell them to me discounted.
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L103[11:02:31] <Althego> heh i was
listening to hardware unboxed and kfp music woke me up from a 3/4
sleep
L104[11:03:54] <darsie> Was it about KSP?
I heard some sound tracks that KSP uses in other contexts.
L105[11:04:18] <Althego> kfp not ksp
L106[11:04:38] <packbart> Kerbal Fried
Program?
L107[11:04:47] <darsie> ok, not a
typo
L108[11:05:05] <Althego> from time to time
i can notice ksp music in videos
L109[11:05:20] <Althego> those are
basically incompetech royalty free tracks
L110[11:05:42] <packbart> there's a mod
for that, too, to change the KSP in-game soundtracks (even
situation dependent)
L111[11:06:01] <packbart> still haven't
gotten around to play much with it, thoug
L112[11:06:02] <Althego> kikkeirkii
L113[11:06:31] <flayer> oh wow.. station,
11 kerbals, 4000 liquid fuel, 1000 monopropellant, class b asteroid
-- around gilly
L114[11:06:46] <flayer> i got half a mind
to accept it XD
L115[11:07:00] <darsie> Station
"in" asteroid?
L116[11:07:03] <packbart> it would pull
Gilly off-course ;)
L117[11:07:09] <flayer> haha yeah
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L120[11:19:55] <Althego> licenceless
sleepy bird is not a good driver
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L122[12:29:53] <flayer> nice, just a few
days to refuel with two large excavators
L123[12:31:20] <Althego> a phoneix is
failing in mariokart, a dragon is failing in mario
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L128[13:50:57] <Althego> an angry
astronaut stream is coming up
L129[14:00:13] <Althego> and i am back to
two parallel streams
L130[14:00:33] <Althego> luckily angry's
deep voice is quite distinct from kiara's
L132[14:08:29] <flayer> i just need 300
science to unlock the parts for the big orange tank, then i can fly
to jool once i get this craft and its habitation/snacks/fuel supply
counterpart into orbit
L133[14:21:06] <Althego> i really hop the
issue is not with the flip of starship. causing unsolvable sloshing
making it impossible. because that would be a huge setback
L134[14:22:11] <Althego> in the beginning
the header tanks are full, but in a a second there is already some
possibility to for sloshing
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L138[14:29:32] <Althego> hehe
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L140[14:38:13] <flayer> why do i have no
telemetry on my eve rover, the relay is nearby!
L141[14:38:34] <Althego> if you turn on
the green lines...
L142[14:38:43] <Althego> maybe there is no
contact from the relay?
L143[14:39:01] <flayer> but why wouldn't
there be if it can reach kerbin no problem?
L144[14:39:11] <Althego> that is more
interesting
L145[14:40:12] <flayer> do i need a
particular combination of antennae to be able to function as a
relay?
L146[14:40:59] <Althego> yes
L147[14:41:05] <Althego> you need relay
antennas
L148[14:41:09] <Althego> some can do
both
L149[14:41:16] <Althego> normal comm and
relay
L150[14:41:32] <Althego> some can just do
comms or relay
L151[14:46:52] <flayer> how can you
tell
L152[14:47:03] <Althego> in the
description
L153[14:48:33] <flayer> is it enough to
have 1 relay antenna to reach the probe, and 1 direct antenna to
reach kerbin?
L154[14:48:48] <flayer> or do you need a
relay that is capable of reaching kerbin and the probe?
L155[14:48:59] <Althego> i am not exactly
sure
L156[14:50:11] <Althego> there is some
complicated description in the wiki
L157[14:51:15] <flayer> at least i sent a
ton of relay satellites to jool rather than direct comms XD
L158[14:51:43] <flayer> although the
'relays' i've sent to eve and duna weren't meant to function as
such at any rate
L159[14:52:24] <flayer> well, the eve one
was, but i didn't think about it
L160[14:52:30] <Althego> if they have
relay antennas they can relay
L161[14:53:07] <flayer> any craft with any
sort of relay antenna can relay from/to whichever point the craft
can contact?
L162[14:53:16] <Althego> i think so
L163[14:53:32] <Althego> the normal
antenan is needed for control
L164[14:53:50] <Althego> but there is some
description in the wiki that in some cases the two can combine for
signal strength
L166[14:58:24] <flayer> "When
considering the antenna power of your vessel, direct antennae and
relay antennae combine to give you a 'Power' to calculate signal
strength back to the KSC, however, if a different vessel is
connecting through you to communicate with the KSC the direct
Antennae are disregarded in any calculations made."
L167[14:58:52] <flayer> That last bit
seems to indicate I need a relay antenna powerful enough to reach
both the probe and Kerbin.
L168[14:59:17] <Althego> but in most
practical cases the relay is strong enough
L169[14:59:47] <flayer> yeah, but that
means i can't just a small deployable relay and a large deployable
direct antenna
L170[14:59:52] <flayer> as i was intending
on using
L171[14:59:58] <Althego> say hg-5 whic is
the smallest and you are in low orbit with the relay sat in few
hundred km altitiude, you can reach everything
L172[15:00:18] <Althego> that is how my
orbital relays work
L173[15:00:56] <flayer> you can't use the
comm 88-88 to amplify the hg-5 relay though
L174[15:01:04] <Althego> yes
L175[15:01:35] <Althego> but the hg-5 is
not really good between eve and kerbin
L176[15:01:49] <flayer> yeah, especially
if playing at 50% comm strength like i am
L177[15:02:06] <flayer> but its okay, the
hg-5's will reach my massive jool relay consisting of 12
RA-15s
L178[15:02:25] <Althego> unless it is
behind the planet :)
L179[15:02:39] <flayer> yeah, but the sat
can still function as an additional relay for jool
L180[15:02:51] <flayer> after i use it to
survey all the moons
L181[15:04:10] <flayer> i'm going to use
the shuttle to deliver it to a polar orbit around jool
L182[15:04:42] <flayer> this is all a few
months from now
L183[15:07:26] <flayer> i'm bringing
upward of 20,000 snacks for what I think will be a 3 man crew
L184[15:08:35] <flayer> about 10,000
liquid fuel
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L195[15:41:48] <raptop> ...GoG offered me
a free game (Steel Rats) because I recieve their marketing emails
sometimes o_O
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L198[16:09:15] <Solar_Oracle> What does
this mean? "MechJeb module MechJebModuleMenu threw an
exception in OnDestroy" ?
L199[16:10:54] <umaxtu> its a programming
issue with mechjeb it looks like
L200[16:11:25] <Solar_Oracle> I'm trying
to understand the conflict it's having with ClickThroughDeblocker,
and that's the clearest thing I'm getting in the crash log.
L201[16:15:06] <Solar_Oracle> Well this is
just plane/plain silly. Now it's not conflicting that I've reduced
my mods to MechJeb 2, ClickThroughDeblocker and its
dependencies.
L202[16:17:34] <Solar_Oracle> Now begins
the laborious task of checking what other mod may be causing the
conflict.
L203[16:18:53] <umaxtu> thats always
fun
L204[16:19:05] <umaxtu> sorry that I
couldn't be more help
L205[16:19:59] <Solar_Oracle> It's not
your problem. Blame the Kraken.
L206[16:29:36] <Solar_Oracle> Found it! It
was StageRecovery, which is also the only mod I had with a
ClickThroughDeblocker dependency.
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L209[16:35:15] <Solar_Oracle> And now I
fixed StageRecovery: It was missing a brand new dependency that
CKAN wasn't aware of.
L210[16:35:31] <umaxtu> what was it?
L211[16:35:45] <Solar_Oracle>
SpaceTuxLibrary
L212[16:35:53] <umaxtu> thx
L213[16:36:58] <Solar_Oracle> Time to
celebrate, AK-4- Er, SNACKS for everybody!
L214[16:38:39] <Solar_Oracle> Now,
finally, I can play KSP again the way it was meant to be played.
With dozens of mods.
L215[16:40:43] <umaxtu> weird. I seem to
have had it already installed
L216[16:42:31] <Solar_Oracle> I'm guessing
my problem stems from my tried-and-true method of manually
installing from dozens of .zip files.
L217[16:43:09] <umaxtu> fun times
L218[16:43:29] <Solar_Oracle> I've yet to
move out of the Dark Ages of the 90's and into the 21st Century.
I'm still using Netscape Navigator.
L219[16:44:41] <umaxtu> eh, somethings
from the 90s are still going strong. emacs for example
L220[16:44:50] <Solar_Oracle> And,
allegedly, IRC.
L221[16:45:07] <umaxtu> Vim too, though
neovim seems to be supplanting it
L222[16:45:09] <Solar_Oracle> Honestly,
that IRC is still around is legit surprising.
L223[16:45:32] <Solar_Oracle> Though maybe
everyone using IRC is, like, in their 90s and simply don't know how
to Discord.
L224[16:45:57] <umaxtu> eh, its simple,
easy to implement, client agnostic, and uses very little
resources
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L226[16:46:55] <Solar_Oracle> Discord is
like a mini-web browser, too.
L227[16:47:00] <FLHerne> Yeah, if there
was a decent open-source client for Discord I'd be very
tempted
L228[16:47:08] <FLHerne> But there isn't,
so I'm not
L229[16:47:54] <Solar_Oracle> In
retrospect, given how popular Reddit is despite being more
primitive than old message board systems, I suppose I shouldn't be
surprised IRC is around.
L230[16:48:24] <umaxtu> also a tree view
for the servers and channels would be nice. so I don't have to use
multiple clicks to get to the channels I want
L231[16:49:04] <Solar_Oracle> Alright, I
thank you for allowing me to occupy your valuable IRC idling
time!
L232[16:49:13] <umaxtu> no problem
L233[16:49:31] <Solar_Oracle> I'm going to
return to KSP and, probably, just end up caving in and getting the
Elite Odyssey alpha.
L234[16:50:06] <umaxtu> idk if my 980 will
be able to handle that. it already struggled with planetary
surfaces in horizons
L235[16:50:49] <Solar_Oracle> Wait, GTX
980?
L236[16:51:17] <Solar_Oracle> Can that
even run Solitaire?
L237[16:51:30] <umaxtu> lol
L238[16:51:58] <Solar_Oracle> I'd think
you'd need an upgrade, honestly, given that the settlements and the
FPS parts will have a lot more clutter.
L239[16:52:24] <Solar_Oracle> Lots more
textures and lots more triangles.
L240[16:52:33] <raptop> I mean, at this
point you can run a mid-sized IRC server on a potato
L241[16:52:38] <umaxtu> for that I need,
a) income and b) to find a gpu in stock at a reasonable price
L242[16:53:01] <Solar_Oracle> Yeah, its
probably going to be a while before GPUs go back down in
price.
L243[16:53:32] <Solar_Oracle> Might I
recommend simply blowing bases up with missiles and artillery to
reduce the frame rate inhibiting assets?
L244[16:53:38] <umaxtu> lol
L245[16:54:02] <Solar_Oracle> The RTX
2060, which is what I have now, is literally five times pricier
than when I got it last year.
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L247[16:54:39] <Solar_Oracle> You could
always play Elite 1984 in the meantime.
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L249[17:00:37] <packbart> on Usenet, IRC
is still seen as that new-fangled fast-paced chatty toy that nobody
needs ;)
L250[17:11:29] <Alanonzander> lol
L251[17:11:54] <Alanonzander> IRC has
outlived, so far, every other form of realtime chat.
L252[17:18:42] <flayer> nice, my jool
mission has 1% comm signal at maximum distance from kerbin
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L254[17:20:28] <Althego> video card
availability is a joke
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L256[17:20:43] <Althego> 980, that is just
one generation older than the 1070 i have
L257[17:29:59] <umaxtu> launched in '14
IIRC?
L258[17:33:55] <packbart> I buy new
graphics about every 10 years
L259[17:34:12] <packbart> the 2080S I
bought last year will serve me for a long time to come, I
hope
L260[17:35:00] <Althego> one of the worst
value cards in retrospect
L261[17:37:08] <umaxtu> gsync does make
the lower fps more bearable so long as it stays above 40
L262[17:37:41] <packbart> I don't have a
display with gsync, anyway
L263[17:38:26] <umaxtu> its worth it.
nvidia gpus 10 series and newer usually will work with freesync as
well I believe
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L267[17:53:33] <packbart> I just use
"vsync". the display does 75fps which is an odd number,
though
L268[18:03:45] <packbart> "The Bill
Nighy of space gamers" hurr (about Scott Manley playing Elite
Dangerous)
L269[18:04:01] <packbart> oh, it's on
sale. I might yet buy it
L270[18:05:15] <minas_tirith> Hi
packbart
L271[18:06:30] <umaxtu> packbart,
Elite?
L272[18:07:50] <packbart> hello capital
city of Gondor
L273[18:08:19] <Althego> delacy alpha lima
tango, welcome to this federal facility
L276[18:08:55] <umaxtu> $7.50 worth it for
sure
L277[18:09:59] <packbart> yeah, I guess
I'll add it. I still haven't gotten through Witcher 3 or XCOM 2 for
that matter
L278[18:11:48] <Althego> what, i am not
going to preorder a dlc
L279[18:13:06] <Althego> you get an alpha
access and soundtrack with tthe deluxe alpha version
L280[18:34:16] <Althego> normally you
would pay for beta testers, not the testers would pay for the
privilege of playing a bugged not finished game
L281[18:34:30] <Althego> how much the
world has changed
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L288[19:17:59] <Althego> i think it is
enough if you shoot it toward the mun
L289[19:18:17] <darsie> yeah, but I
recovered it.
L290[19:20:45] <darsie> 30-40 km altitude
was also required.
L291[19:20:55] <Althego> just have to time
correctly
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L293[19:30:55] <darsie> Ok, I crashe it
:).
L294[19:30:57] <darsie> d
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