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L7[00:44:39] <raptop> ;mission add You overwater the tech tree.
L8[00:44:39] <LunchBot> raptop: Added mission: You overwater the tech tree.
L9[00:45:01] <raptop> ;outcome add The tech tree bears an explosive fruit.
L10[00:45:01] <LunchBot> raptop: Added outcome: The tech tree bears an explosive fruit.
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L23[02:41:28] <Guest63767> Anyone using Kerbalism and Signal Delay(https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/166584-19-signal-delay-0213-2020-08-21-signal-delay-background-antenna-ec-consumption/) mods together ?
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L30[03:44:34] <raptop> Althego: I'm confused about some upcoming collabs
L31[03:44:53] <Althego> calli and gura minecraft?
L32[03:45:17] <raptop> Yeah, what does gura mean by "bros being bros"?
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L34[03:46:29] <raptop> (Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5KmDuDyPmQ for rather different reasons)
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L36[03:49:58] <raptop> Mainly I didn't realize that the corps that they work for are fine with a hololive/nijisanji collab
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L47[04:40:56] <Althego> hehe calli vanished from the internet in the middle of the collab
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L50[04:54:43] <raptop> It's probably fine
L51[04:56:17] <Althego> hehe rescheduling stream :)
L52[04:56:26] <Althego> he is dead jim
L53[05:01:31] <raptop> "seisona"
L54[05:02:09] <Althego> people listening to a shark vacuum. the internet
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L82[08:15:59] <Mat2ch> !mission
L83[08:15:59] <LunchBot> Mat2ch: You build a ship for the stated purpose of outrunning its own mass. B787_300 pays no attention to the name on the container and eats your lunch from the refrigerator.
L84[08:17:30] <Althego> what
L85[08:18:12] <Mat2ch> I didn't come up with that!
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L94[10:23:17] <Eddi|zuHause> how mean.
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L98[11:13:39] <Guest95715> hi all
L99[11:13:51] <Guest95715> lookin 4 help with install
L100[11:15:38] <Mat2ch> what are your problems?
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L102[11:20:54] <Althego> hehe
L103[11:21:14] <minas_tirith> Althego, hi
L104[11:21:14] <Althego> i would have said, please state the nature of the medical emergency, but too late
L105[11:23:04] <Mat2ch> hrhr
L106[11:29:03] <JVFoxy> ... think they've other problems. Namely staying connected here
L107[11:29:32] <JVFoxy> on the other hand, I'm starting to wonder if they just come by to troll us
L108[11:31:41] <minas_tirith> JVFoxy, italian_meme_music.mp4
L109[11:34:23] <JVFoxy> more like bennyhill_theme.mp3
L110[11:34:43] <minas_tirith> giorno_ost_italian_meme.mp4
L111[11:34:54] <minas_tirith> I'll have to lsiten to bennyhill theme
L112[11:36:04] <minas_tirith> Oh
L113[11:36:06] <minas_tirith> That song
L114[11:36:10] <minas_tirith> I had heard it under a different name before
L115[11:36:52] <Althego> yakety sax. its actual name
L116[11:37:07] <Althego> and supposedly a very hard song to play on the saxophone
L117[11:37:26] <minas_tirith> Yeah that was the name
L118[11:37:53] <minas_tirith> I feel it can work great for meme/cartoon chase scenes
L119[11:39:54] <JVFoxy> it gets referred for such things quite a lot
L120[11:40:08] <Althego> but anyway it is true that benny hill popularized it as sped up chase scene music
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L122[11:41:11] <minas_tirith> I like this meme song most https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D83ICLWu-80
L123[11:42:15] <JVFoxy> back to the original point, people come by, ask for help, poof. Impatient or..?
L124[11:42:37] <minas_tirith> It was from a webchat link
L125[11:42:44] <minas_tirith> So probably someone unfamiliar with the pace and culture of the irc
L126[11:45:03] <Althego> quite warm outside
L127[11:45:09] <Althego> i hope we dont get a cold wave in march
L128[11:45:12] <Althego> i hate that
L129[11:45:19] <minas_tirith> I wish for real cold
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L131[11:45:38] <Althego> winter wasnt real cold for at least 10 years now
L132[11:46:15] <JVFoxy> weee...
L133[12:01:14] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4FIvtNYZLk
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L135[12:43:07] <Althego> raptor chase https://youtu.be/iuoZjizF_J8?t=404
L136[12:44:01] <JVFoxy> right now its just news for me, time wasting for a few hours till coffee shop opens
L137[12:44:57] <Althego> ah zeus is moving too
L138[12:45:08] <Althego> bit dirty
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L151[17:05:12] <TristenYT> helo
L152[17:05:22] *** TristenYT is now known as Tristen
L153[17:05:33] <minas_tirith> Tristen, did you manage to install?
L154[17:05:41] <Tristen> the dlcs?
L155[17:05:44] <Tristen> yeah
L156[17:06:13] <Tristen> was worth the $27
L157[17:43:34] <Tristen> a
L158[17:45:01] <Tristen> bean
L159[17:48:51] <raptop> あ
L160[17:49:12] <Althego> hehe
L161[17:49:25] <darsie> funny rectangle?
L162[17:49:47] * raptop screams internally. I'm using a character that's on the BMP!
L163[17:50:09] <Althego> it is "a"
L164[17:50:16] <raptop> (not to be confused with a БМП)
L165[17:50:25] <raptop> Specifically it's a hiragana "a"
L166[17:52:23] * Tristen eats a little bean
L167[17:55:12] * Tristen dies epicly
L168[17:56:33] * Tristen is alive once again
L169[17:56:43] *** Tristen is now known as e
L170[17:57:03] <e> e
L171[17:57:13] *** e is now known as Guest22334
L172[17:57:32] *** Guest22334 is now known as TristenKSP
L173[17:58:38] *** TristenKSP is now known as nick
L174[17:58:47] *** nick is now known as a
L175[17:58:56] *** a is now known as _
L176[17:59:03] <_> YES
L177[17:59:07] <raptop> にゃあ？
L178[17:59:15] <_> I'M ON TOP OF THE USER BOARD
L179[17:59:37] <Althego> "i am the architect of my own destruction"
L180[17:59:49] <_> what
L181[18:05:15] <minas_tirith> raptop, bro
L182[18:05:25] <_> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
L183[18:05:28] <minas_tirith> I just tried the relative tuning technique
L184[18:05:30] <minas_tirith> _ hi
L185[18:05:42] * raptop blinks in confusion
L186[18:05:58] <minas_tirith> raptop, guitar
L187[18:05:59] <Althego> at this point it is the usual
L188[18:06:18] <minas_tirith> Tune the lower E according to feels, then use the ratios to tune the strings above one by one
L189[18:06:41] <_> I'm TristenKSP, but evolved
L190[18:06:49] <_> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
L191[18:06:58] <minas_tirith> Congratulations on your evolution
L192[18:07:10] <minas_tirith> I hope you learned whatever skills you needed to that can't be learned post-evo
L193[18:07:12] <_> I'm at my ultimate form
L194[18:07:19] <minas_tirith> Level 100?
L195[18:07:22] <_> yes
L196[18:07:24] <_> sssssssssssss
L197[18:07:29] <_> SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
L198[18:07:34] <_> SSSSSSSSSSSSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa
L199[18:07:35] <minas_tirith> Is you a snek?
L200[18:07:45] <_> no im shrek
L201[18:07:48] *** _ is now known as Shrek
L202[18:08:02] <Shrek> WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN MY SWAMP
L203[18:08:17] <minas_tirith> Yeah swamps are cool
L204[18:08:23] <minas_tirith> I want to visit and camp in one some time
L205[18:09:02] <Shrek> Swamp planet
L206[18:09:07] <minas_tirith> Amazing
L207[18:09:12] <Shrek> I feel like Venus was a swamp planet at some point
L208[18:09:23] <Shrek> And not terrestrial or a desert or tundra
L209[18:09:57] <minas_tirith> Swamp is terrestrial
L210[18:10:09] <Shrek> Fun Fact: Mercury has an atmosphere, but since it's mass and gravity is so low, it's very thin and weak.
L211[18:10:23] <Shrek> It's also constantly pelted with radiation.
L212[18:10:39] <minas_tirith> I think mercurys lighter than moon, so I guess that means moon has a very weak atmosphere too
L213[18:10:46] <minas_tirith> Yeah it kinda sucks being so close to the sun
L214[18:10:51] <Shrek> everything as an atmosphere
L215[18:11:00] <Shrek> some of them are nearly non-existant tho
L216[18:11:02] <Althego> hehe már 15 chapternél tart az a villainess isekai ami reggel még cska 10 volt
L217[18:11:03] <Althego> picsába
L218[18:11:12] <Althego> hehe, not here
L219[18:11:45] <Shrek> swearing in spanish
L220[18:11:52] <Althego> not in spanish
L221[18:11:55] <minas_tirith> Shrek, I have heard nebulas have on the order of only 10^4 atoms per cm3
L222[18:12:02] <Shrek> cm
L223[18:12:03] <Shrek> c
L224[18:12:03] <Shrek> c
L225[18:12:03] <Shrek> c
L226[18:12:03] <Shrek> c
L227[18:12:07] <Shrek> h
L228[18:12:09] <Shrek> um
L229[18:12:13] <Shrek> hello
L230[18:12:14] <minas_tirith> Somehow the whole gas cloud is just bound together by gravity I guess
L231[18:12:14] <Mod9000> Hello, Shrek
L232[18:12:15] <minas_tirith> well I mean
L233[18:12:19] <flayer> there's around 10 metric tons of gas around the moon
L234[18:12:20] <Shrek> hello
L235[18:12:20] <Mod9000> Hello, Shrek
L236[18:12:21] <minas_tirith> there isn't any wind I know of in space
L237[18:12:25] <Shrek> hello
L238[18:12:26] <Shrek> hello
L239[18:12:27] <Mod9000> Hello, Shrek
L240[18:12:29] <Shrek> hellohellohellohello
L241[18:12:29] <flayer> solar winds
L242[18:12:29] <Mod9000> Hello, Shrek
L243[18:12:30] <Shrek> hello
L244[18:12:31] <Shrek> hello
L245[18:12:31] <Mod9000> Hello, Shrek
L246[18:12:32] <Shrek> hello
L247[18:12:33] <Shrek> hello
L248[18:12:33] <Mod9000> Hello, Shrek
L249[18:12:35] <Mod9000> Hello, Shrek
L250[18:12:37] <Mod9000> Hello, Shrek
L251[18:12:38] <flayer> please stop spamming shrek :(
L252[18:12:39] <Shrek> YES
L253[18:12:43] <Shrek> sorry
L254[18:12:43] <minas_tirith> flayer, doubt they are strong enough to blow away matter
L255[18:12:45] <minas_tirith> or are they
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L258[18:12:56] <flayer> they blow away atmospheres
L259[18:12:56] <Shrek> I mean, they blow away Earth
L260[18:13:01] <Shrek> 's atmosphere
L261[18:13:18] <Shrek> Hey, Mod9000, guess what.
L262[18:13:22] <flayer> and you can theoretically sail on them
L263[18:13:22] <Shrek> hello
L264[18:13:25] <Mod9000> Hello, Shrek
L265[18:13:32] <Shrek> how
L266[18:13:37] <Shrek> they're gaw
L267[18:13:39] <Shrek> gas*
L268[18:13:50] <Shrek> flayer
L269[18:14:13] <minas_tirith> flayer, nebula apparently create stars...so what happens after creation. Does the condensation of the gas into a star and the solar wind blowing away the rest create a local pocket free of gas?
L270[18:14:18] <flayer> if the gases are ionized they can be swept away in the solar wind's magnetic field
L271[18:15:08] <raptop> Solar wind / and radiation pressure do help to push away the gases
L272[18:15:12] <raptop> Also supernovae
L273[18:15:31] <raptop> (Those type II supernovae happen quite quickly)
L274[18:15:50] <Shrek> So, they have repulsive gravity?
L275[18:16:05] <Shrek> Negative Gravity, also known as
L276[18:16:08] <minas_tirith> raptop, so if apparently all stars came from nebulae...does that mean our sun was also in a nebula which it later ate up
L277[18:16:25] <Shrek> Yep
L278[18:16:28] <minas_tirith> Also another interesting point is whether it even is possible to detect whether one is inside a nebula from within it
L279[18:16:28] <raptop> yes, though it was more the OB stars that blew it away
L280[18:16:31] <Shrek> That's how stars form
L281[18:16:32] <minas_tirith> due to the extremely low densities
L282[18:16:39] <minas_tirith> OB stars?
L283[18:16:52] <raptop> It's possible. Incidentally, we know that the sun is currently in a weirdly low density patch of the interstellar medium
L284[18:16:59] <raptop> "the local bubble"
L285[18:17:06] <Shrek> Because Nebula is so scattered, the huge amount of density when the star was full is now apart.
L286[18:17:15] <Shrek> Making nebulae less dense
L287[18:17:22] <minas_tirith> You mean it can be possible to know if you are inside a nebula?
L288[18:17:28] <Shrek> Kinda
L289[18:17:34] <Shrek> You just gotta look around
L290[18:17:38] <minas_tirith> You can't
L291[18:17:43] <Shrek> You'll see a bunch of colored gasses
L292[18:17:46] <minas_tirith> Because nebulae look nice and pretty from telescopes
L293[18:17:58] <minas_tirith> and the colors need long exposure camera shots to get anyways
L294[18:18:00] <minas_tirith> but
L295[18:18:07] <Shrek> but
L296[18:18:09] <minas_tirith> Inside one, the gas density is almost vacuum
L297[18:18:20] <minas_tirith> Even orion has only like 10^4 molecules per cubic cm
L298[18:18:25] <Shrek> space itself is a vacuum
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L301[18:18:52] <Smort_Tristen> Hello
L302[18:18:53] <Mod9000> Hello, Smort_Tristen
L303[18:18:57] <minas_tirith> Welcome back
L304[18:18:58] <Smort_Tristen> I'm back
L305[18:19:23] <Smort_Tristen> I am smort now
L306[18:19:46] <minas_tirith> raptop, its amazing isn't it?
L307[18:19:59] <raptop> yeah
L308[18:20:01] <Smort_Tristen> nebulae?
L309[18:20:03] <minas_tirith> Also another interesting point that just occured to me is how we can "see" the nebulae..where does the light emit from?
L310[18:20:16] <flayer> reflection from stars?
L311[18:20:17] <Smort_Tristen> The white dwarf in the center maybe?
L312[18:20:22] <minas_tirith> Is the collective light from all the stars enough to "illuminate" the gas cloud
L313[18:20:22] <raptop> It was amusing to realize that stars have ~0 volume compared to the gas clouds they condensed from
L314[18:20:39] <raptop> minas_tirith: depends on the nebula in question, but short version is yes
L315[18:20:53] <Smort_Tristen> Yeah, they expand to lightyears in diameter, and a star like the sun is only about a million miles wide
L316[18:20:59] <raptop> Orion is emission + reflection, Ring and Crab are emission
L317[18:21:07] <minas_tirith> raptop, this brings up the point that how even extremely rare materials once you stack it to enough depth attain a coloring in light
L318[18:21:17] <Smort_Tristen> Here's Phil from the Crab Nebula. So, Phil, is it?
L319[18:22:03] <minas_tirith> rare as in low density
L320[18:22:47] <raptop> Something something column density
L321[18:23:06] <minas_tirith> So apparently google says, its not the visible light of the stars directly but rather certain high energy uv radiations ionize the hydrogens
L322[18:23:23] <minas_tirith> oh, this is only for so called emission nebulae
L323[18:23:23] <Smort_Tristen> So, UltraViolet light is what we're seeing?
L324[18:23:39] <Smort_Tristen> But it's converted to Visible alight?
L325[18:23:42] <Smort_Tristen> Light*?
L326[18:23:46] <raptop> Yeah, for emission nebulae you have recombination and then the electrons dropping down through lower energy levels
L327[18:23:48] <minas_tirith> No, the ionized hydrogen when it goes back to normal emits the light
L328[18:23:55] <Althego> lyman alpha?
L329[18:24:25] <raptop> Althego: I don't know what your vision is like, but I can only see the Balmer series =\
L330[18:24:25] <minas_tirith> No the uv radiation itself is from the stars
L331[18:24:28] <raptop> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rydberg_formula
L332[18:24:34] <Smort_Tristen> Ohhh
L333[18:24:37] <Althego> yes, but lyman alpha is in the uv
L334[18:24:38] <minas_tirith> so it may not necessarily have to do with hydrogen atoms orbital states
L335[18:25:13] <minas_tirith> I think the nuclear fusion itself releases certain radiations that may or may not correspond with any orbital jumps
L336[18:25:28] <Smort_Tristen> I think I'm learning more in this IRC Chat than I will in many future Physical Science classes.
L337[18:25:51] <minas_tirith> ok so the "byproduts" are a positron and a neutrino
L338[18:26:11] <minas_tirith> so probably yes, those uv rays might come from hydrogen transitions then
L339[18:26:34] <raptop> the direct emission from fusion is only partially related
L340[18:26:47] <raptop> It still has to get out of the star
L341[18:26:48] <minas_tirith> Does fusion also emit some radiations of its own?
L342[18:27:08] <Althego> yit is funny that how long it takes radiation to get out of the star
L343[18:27:12] <minas_tirith> Or is the radiations caused due to the heat which causes some normal electron transitions
L344[18:27:18] <Althego> in a long zigzag brownian like motion
L345[18:27:43] <raptop> minas_tirith: Depending on which part, there are gammas, neutrinos, and positrons
L346[18:27:59] <Smort_Tristen> I have a question.
L347[18:28:05] <Smort_Tristen> What is a Gamma Ray Burst?
L348[18:28:09] <minas_tirith> Does it directly generate gammas?
L349[18:28:19] <Althego> i only learned today that some people made a neutrino picture of the sun
L350[18:28:32] <Althego> it took them more than a year
L351[18:28:34] <minas_tirith> I thought neutrinos were very hard to detect
L352[18:29:49] <Smort_Tristen> minas_tirith Tech is evolving.
L353[18:29:50] <Althego> and it was quite long ago https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap980605.html
L354[18:30:05] <raptop> Modern neutrino detectors are large
L355[18:30:10] <Althego> tech is evolving but neutrinos are still not doing :)
L356[18:30:28] <raptop> "500 days of data"
L357[18:30:29] <Smort_Tristen> I need help
L358[18:30:36] <Smort_Tristen> How do I read the Delta V map
L359[18:30:38] <minas_tirith> raptop, the radiation processes in stars are quite interesting
L360[18:31:04] <Althego> you add the numbers as you go from one body to an other
L361[18:32:05] <Althego> is there a static fire today?
L362[18:32:24] <Smort_Tristen> So, the symbols with the body and curved line flying past is for flybys?
L363[18:32:36] <Althego> yes
L364[18:32:48] <Smort_Tristen> Oh I see
L365[18:32:56] <Smort_Tristen> There's icons in the bottom right
L366[18:33:45] <Smort_Tristen> What's Keostationary Orbit
L367[18:33:54] <Althego> equivalent of geostationary
L368[18:33:58] <Althego> just around kerbin
L369[18:34:08] <Althego> takes a kerbin day
L370[18:34:24] <Smort_Tristen> Oh!
L371[18:34:35] <Smort_Tristen> To stay in the same point of the sky.
L372[18:34:42] <Smort_Tristen> Got it
L373[18:34:51] <minas_tirith> The theories behind star radiation are very obscure to me
L374[18:35:05] <Althego> you dont really need to do that since aiming of antennas is not simulated, if it can aim, it is going to have transmission
L375[18:35:17] <Althego> in reality of course it is easier to aim on a stationary satellite
L376[18:35:49] <Althego> i think stars, despite having one so close, are still not fully understood
L377[18:36:04] <Althego> just as with most things in science
L378[18:36:19] <Smort_Tristen> Because we still have limits
L379[18:36:27] <Smort_Tristen> Even as a space-fairing species
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L381[18:38:48] <raptop> It doesn't help that a lot of stars are pretty different from the sub
L382[18:41:25] <raptop> minas_tirith: obscure in what way?
L383[18:42:44] <minas_tirith> raptop, I don't wholly know the sum total of the sources of radiation. Now of course the heat must have caused some electron transitions in the hydrogens but even so the fusion itself and perhaps some other processes surely also generate radiations of their own
L384[18:45:16] <raptop> Energy inputs + fusion, gravitational contraction (notably during the protostar phase)
L385[18:46:07] <raptop> outputs: blackbody, electron transitions, magnetic field shenangians (the last one doesn't exist for all stars, but is important for cooler ones on the main sequence)
L386[18:46:47] <raptop> getting from the core to the photosphere: radiation, convection
L387[18:47:07] <raptop> I guess in some extreme cases (hi, neutron stars), you can care about spin
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L390[19:10:44] <Mat2ch> SpaceX seems to be conducting another static fire. In three hours or so.
L391[19:11:37] <Althego> i will be sleeping
L392[19:13:18] <Mat2ch> and beeping
L393[19:17:43] <Althego> i dont beep, but my throat somehow can make a ticking sound
L394[19:25:31] <flayer> so, i'm putting my station in solar orbit near kerbin
L395[19:25:51] <flayer> its orbit is in a kerbin encounter in 421 days
L396[19:26:13] <darsie> You could put it on Kerbins orbit, just ahead or behind Kerbin.
L397[19:26:33] <flayer> yeah, but i'm going with this instead
L398[19:26:50] <flayer> because its very difficult to be precise like that
L399[19:27:11] <flayer> and now i can just set a timer on the encounter, and put up another encounter after i get back into solar orbit
L400[19:27:12] <darsie> KER shows orbital period to 1 ms precision.
L401[19:27:29] <flayer> it's just not enough
L402[19:27:52] <flayer> i think i am basically as accurate as that like this
L403[19:28:58] <flayer> i will have to spend about 100 ms/year to maintain it
L404[19:29:13] <flayer> i'm good for a couple of decades
L405[19:29:31] <flayer> now i will just have to figure out how to efficiently visit it
L406[19:31:40] <flayer> i intend to gather a bunch of asteroids there
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L408[19:56:34] <mxi_steel> hi! what can i change in a docking port config file to let crew pass through it?
L409[20:01:15] <Althego> i would try to compare it to a normal docking port that can do that
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L411[20:28:03] <darsie> mxi_steel: I can transfer Jeb across decouplers and docking port Jr: https://i.ibb.co/GTdvQLG/screenshot349.png
L412[20:28:45] <darsie> Dunno if docking in the VAB is different.
L413[20:30:28] <mxi_steel> huh i thought there was a thing where crew cant transfer through the jr docking ports when was it rectifed?
L414[20:30:34] <mxi_steel> i swear i read that in the wiki
L415[20:30:47] <Althego> normally they can
L416[20:31:01] <mxi_steel> oh ok good to know
L417[20:31:10] <Althego> maybe they are dependent on the science complex upgrade that allows fuel transfer
L418[20:31:19] <Althego> i am not sure
L419[20:31:40] <Althego> static fire preparations are well underway now
L420[20:32:35] <raptop> There's also some stuff with game settings
L421[20:32:42] <raptop> (difficulty? options?)
L422[20:33:05] <Althego> something something follows fuel transfer rules or whatnot
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L446[23:53:22] <raptop> ;mission add You take off your engineering hat, and put on your management hat.
L447[23:53:22] <LunchBot> raptop: Added mission: You take off your engineering hat, and put on your management hat.
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L449[23:55:27] <packbart> isn't that an outcome?
L450[23:55:45] <FLHerne> I think it works as either
L451[23:55:51] <FLHerne> ;mission
L452[23:55:51] <LunchBot> FLHerne: In an attempt to cut down on costs you omit fuel tanks from your rocket design (but not fuel). There is a long silence.
L453[23:56:20] <packbart> self-forging solid booster
L454[23:57:49] <raptop> packbart: I'd go with that mission, and one of the many bad outcomes following it
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