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L1[00:03:54] <raptop> ;outcome add Your scientific progress goes "boink".

L2[00:03:55] <LunchBot> raptop: Added outcome: Your scientific progress goes "boink".

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L29[03:24:58] <Althego> at least there was a static fire

L30[03:26:12] <umaxtu> looks like there is another one tomorrow

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L36[04:53:27] <Althego> ah found some flat earth

L37[04:53:46] <Rolf> locally flat earth? or flatheaded morons?

L38[04:54:35] <Althego> the latter

L39[04:54:47] <Rolf> too bad

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L42[05:15:33] <Izaya> flat kerbiners

L43[05:16:18] <Althego> in a video scott said that in the very beginning ksp players were flat earthers

L44[05:18:31] <Izaya> consider

L45[05:18:40] <Izaya> the surface of a planet is a plane mapped onto a sphere

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L56[09:04:42] <Mat2ch> Althego: yeah, I'm surprised. Didn't look like one all day.

L57[09:04:48] <Mat2ch> And it looks like they are switching an engine

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L59[09:16:27] <Althego> at least your concrete has time to cure :)

L60[09:22:05] <Mat2ch> well

L61[09:22:07] <Mat2ch> :P

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L77[12:42:07] <Mat2ch> sunday could be another Starlink launch

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L79[12:42:24] <Mat2ch> is it just me or is SpaceX launching pretty much their own payload now?

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L81[12:52:10] <Althego> yes, starlinki

L82[12:52:15] <Althego> not much else

L83[12:52:20] <Althego> and with big delays

L84[12:57:25] <Alanonzander> wouldnh't be surprised it when asked they say "We are just waiting on cargo to launch".

L85[12:57:55] <JVFoxy> would love to build a ham sat and have something up there...

L86[12:59:21] <flayer> i'm tired JVFoxy

L87[13:00:51] <darsie> JVFoxy: A relay?

L88[13:01:41] <darsie> Or a sat that responds to pings?

L89[13:01:45] <JVFoxy> usually they are.. some even carried sensors. CCD camera or radiation detector

L90[13:02:24] <JVFoxy> some ham sats even worked as digital repeaters

L91[13:03:25] <flayer> i have ham and cheese!

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L93[13:04:25] <FLHerne> Mat2ch: They've got about 20 customer launches booked this year, which is more than any previously

L94[13:04:45] <FLHerne> They're just *also* launching tons of their own stuff

L95[13:05:06] <JVFoxy> amateur radio stuff

L96[13:06:17] <FLHerne> And yeah, I'm sure they wouldn't be queuing up Starlink launches if the customers were ready now

L97[13:09:11] <JVFoxy> found out there was a local connection to the mars rover that landed. Cameras were made over here c.c;

L98[13:10:53] <Mat2ch> FLHerne: I know, but all others seem to aim not for the winter month to launch :D

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L100[13:12:11] <Azander> Also remember the industry, until recently, was designed to handle a few launches a year, vs a few per month

L101[13:13:20] <Azander> I doubt the rest of the industry has caught up yet

L102[13:18:39] <darsie> How much more do we want in Earth orbit? is it ok with proper management of EOL satellites?

L103[13:19:14] <darsie> Kessler, astronomy.

L104[13:19:26] <darsie> global warming

L105[13:20:51] <darsie> Is a big rotating space station feasible considering the impact risk with space debris?

L106[13:21:12] <darsie> Would it make debris avoiding maneuvers?

L107[13:21:57] <darsie> Hmm, wrong channel.

L108[13:22:04] <darsie> kinda

L109[13:22:16] * darsie thought he was in #space@freenode.

L110[13:31:04] <JVFoxy> derp..?

L111[13:31:29] <JVFoxy> starlink, internet anywhere. Sure it would be great.. but at what cost?

L112[13:33:38] <flayer> i feel they started too soon with deployment

L113[13:33:47] <flayer> already they've been making adjustments to the hardware

L114[13:34:10] <flayer> to accommodate shortcomings

L115[13:41:47] <JVFoxy> ya not surprising... cough-starship-cough

L116[13:59:40] <Mat2ch> flayer: what kind of adjustments?

L117[14:04:16] <flayer> reflectiveness

L118[14:04:36] <Mat2ch> oh, that

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L120[14:10:41] <JVFoxy> Steath!

L121[14:10:51] <JVFoxy> ... stealth I mean, blah. ok coffee run now

L122[14:11:41] <flayer> i'm gonna take a nap

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L124[14:21:17] <JVFoxy> ah.. FLIR systems, made the cameras from here that went on the Mars rover

L125[14:21:26] <JVFoxy> just a blip on the news came up again

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L136[15:43:09] <JVFoxy> anyone ever made physical 3d models of their KSP creations?

L137[15:46:13] <Althego> yes

L138[15:46:15] <Althego> 3d printing

L139[15:46:41] <Althego> i think there was some company that printed it for a price

L140[15:47:15] <Mat2ch> not anymore

L141[15:47:58] <JVFoxy> got wondering about a 3d digital model, ships with interiors or something.

L142[15:48:41] <JVFoxy> a few designs I have use those empty fuselage tube parts and I can't help but think of what could be inside of them along with the Mk1 crew sections

L143[15:49:33] <Althego> hehe kiara put up a stream for dec 16. waiting for the phoenix landing. whenever she arrives back to europe

L144[15:50:13] <Mat2ch> ok, who is kiara again? ;P

L145[15:51:27] <raptop> ...is it 2008 now?

L146[15:51:49] <JVFoxy> forgot to update things?

L147[15:53:43] <raptop> Mat2ch: the primary owner and operator of KFP, which is definitely not a cult

L148[15:53:51] <Mat2ch> raptop: I'd like one ticket back to 1999 please

L149[15:54:09] <Mat2ch> aaaaaaaaand what is kfp?

L150[15:54:48] <Althego> kiara fried phoenix :)

L151[15:55:49] <raptop> Mat2ch: anyway, for a more serious answer: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHsx4Hqa-1ORjQTh9TYDhww

L152[15:58:20] <JVFoxy> oh.. she's the phoenix.. not the mars lander thing

L153[15:59:06] <JVFoxy> Description An idol whose dream is to become a fast food shop owner. She is a phoenix, NOT a chicken or turkey.

L154[15:59:20] <Mat2ch> raptop: I'm seriously concerned now.

L155[16:01:45] <raptop> Of course not. Reine is the turkey

L156[16:08:15] <Althego> hehe yes ans subaru is the duck :)

L157[16:13:12] <raptop> holobirds collab when?

L158[16:13:20] <Althego> yes there should be one

L159[16:13:26] <raptop> (Also, like, what language would they use?)

L160[16:13:38] <Althego> birb

L161[16:13:46] <raptop> heh

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L166[17:04:31] <Althego> hah broken silicon. meanwhile time to start day 4

L167[17:04:35] <Althego> of career

L168[17:08:00] <raptop> Dawn of the 4th day. 7500 science remaining

L169[17:08:09] <raptop> (until the tech tree is fully unlocked)

L170[17:11:26] <minas_tirith> raptop, hi uwu :3

L171[17:16:28] <raptop> \o

L172[17:29:20] <FLHerne> So this is a thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCrS52sM3Zs

L173[17:29:35] <Althego> hmm, it seems april is going to be the iss month

L174[17:30:02] <Althego> lol that fliees

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L178[17:51:57] <Ronillon> Hello everyone. I just noticed on https://kerbal.curseforge.com/ that links in "Projects" submenu (Mods, Shareables, Missions) result in message: "Module Disabled

L179[17:51:58] <Ronillon> We're sorry, but this module is currently disabled." The main "Projects" menu link works, so I believe it is just a matter of broken links leading to https://kerbal.curseforge.com/ksp-mods instead of https://www.curseforge.com/kerbal/ksp-mods and should be an easy fix. Is there some place to report this other than here? "Suggestions & Development Discussion" section on forum perhaps?

L180[17:54:16] <Althego> there is a link there in the error message

L181[17:54:20] <Althego> i think that is the way to go

L182[17:59:09] <Ronillon> That link leads to curseforge support, and while they might help, in case it was their fault the links got broken. I believe it should be someone from KSP who is in charge of the curseforge page to either fix that in their administration or ask curseforge support to fix it for them.

L183[18:01:06] <Ronillon> I might contact curseforge support in the end, but I thought it right to go through some official KSP channels first.

L184[18:02:58] <Althego> raptop: you know anybody that can do something about the curseforge projects submenu?

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L188[18:26:17] <raptop> huh, curseforge apparently still exists

L189[18:26:20] * raptop does not

L190[18:26:38] <Althego> then i dont think we can do anything about it

L191[18:29:17] <flayer> raptop, i thought you were saying you no longer existed

L192[18:29:28] <Althego> hwhw

L193[18:30:11] * raptop >_>

L194[18:30:36] <Althego> all cretans are liars :)

L195[18:30:53] <raptop> Therefore Idomeneus is a liar

L196[18:31:17] <Ronillon> I was surprised CF existed too (been a looong time since I used it for WoW mods). So maybe just change the ksp forum link "Get mods!" to CKAN forum post eh?

L197[18:56:11] <FLHerne> THE KRACKEN: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=52398.0;attach=2014267;image

L198[18:56:23] <FLHerne> (zoom in)

L199[18:56:31] <FLHerne> s/C//

L200[18:56:45] <Althego> hehe

L201[18:56:49] <Althego> on top of the engine

L202[18:56:59] <Althego> there is even a face

L203[19:01:52] <umaxtu> is that on the engine? or on the building behind it?

L204[19:02:22] <Althego> the engine

L205[19:02:29] <Althego> i guess it is a cover for a pipe

L206[19:02:49] <Althego> probably because the smaller pipes look like some evil tentacles

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L208[19:09:25] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lD3Pw8vlI4

L209[19:09:27] <Althego> eva something

L210[19:09:34] <Althego> or rather about evas

L211[19:09:47] <Althego> probably the solar panel thingies

L212[19:10:06] <Mat2ch> ehehe

L213[19:10:25] <Mat2ch> FLHerne: at least the workers are having some fun ;)

L214[19:10:44] <Althego> without the starship spacex would be in an excellent position

L215[19:11:09] <Althego> but all the construction of the site and the ships and soon on phobos and deioms is going to cost a lot

L216[19:11:34] <Althego> so i really hope starlink works out and supplies them with money

L217[19:11:57] <Althego> they are better than anybody in that field, but that doesnt mean starlink cant fail

L218[19:14:25] <Althego> tthey have a nice animation about the eva

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L225[19:43:57] <Ronillon> Althego: Just to be clear, do you think I should push the link issue to CF support? Or just forget about it and let you handle it if anyone of you ever feels like it?

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L227[19:52:24] <Althego> Ronillon: nobody here can do anything about it

L228[19:52:35] <rickricksn> ?

L229[19:54:17] <rickricksn> ask: Kerbal jetpacks doesnt need EVA Prop anymore in 1.11? I dont see a bar for that on right klick...

L230[19:54:58] <Althego> i think they should. there is even extra fuel tank for t hem

L231[19:55:25] <Ariri> They do, 5 units iirc

L232[19:55:26] <Althego> it is even working

L233[19:55:33] <Althego> consumees fuel

L234[19:56:40] <rickricksn> ok, where can i see how much is left?

L235[19:57:02] <Althego> a checked in the usual menu in the top right

L236[19:57:14] <Ronillon> Althego: I understand. Do you think it is worth trying to post about it on forums or will it likely be the same result? BTW, you guys are part of the KSP team, or just mods of this channel?

L237[19:58:13] <Althego> i think umbral is forum mod too. i am just some random guy here.

L238[19:58:40] * raptop is a wiki mod, though not a forum one

L239[19:58:46] <Althego> you can t ry to get more people interested in this module issue, and if there are enough, maybe there will be a change for the better

L240[20:00:03] <Ronillon> Althego: I guess I will post it in the suggestions section on forums and see what happens. Thanks for your responses and have a lovely day.

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L242[20:03:49] <rickricksn> Althego right, ty

L243[20:06:00] <Althego> i didnt even know there was an other readout than the resource menu or whatever it called

L244[20:06:32] <raptop> well, they never used monoprop in stock

L245[20:06:43] <raptop> It was somewhat planned out, but never implimented

L246[20:07:00] <raptop> They "claim" to, but you get infinite refueling without mods

L247[20:07:06] <Althego> i always thought of it as monoprop, even though it says eva fuel

L248[20:07:16] <Althego> and yes that infinite refueling annoys me

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L250[20:10:52] <Ronillon> I have read about it somewhere. This refueling of EVA suits was the reason why command pods got MonoProp tanks integrated. But then the whole physics of it was dropped for gameplay reasons (Kerbal EVA suit could not realistically hold enough fuel to make it practical gameplay wise.) At least that is what I remember. I think the article that lead me to it was https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/developerarticles.htm

L251[20:10:52] <Ronillon> l/111-weighing-in-on-some-changes-r212/

L252[20:11:05] <raptop> yep

L253[20:11:37] <Ronillon> * https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/developerarticles.html/111-weighing-in-on-some-changes-r212/

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L256[20:35:37] <TristenKSP> LET'S GOOOO

L257[20:35:50] <TristenKSP> I GOT THE BREAKING GROUND AND MAKING HISTORY DLC

L258[20:38:04] <TristenKSP> yeahhhhhhhh

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L260[20:38:22] <raptop> okay

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L266[21:06:50] <darsie> There he goes ...

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L274[22:47:10] <raptop> ;outcome add Your outcome has been stolen by a Horrible Goose.

L275[22:47:10] <LunchBot> raptop: Added outcome: Your outcome has been stolen by a Horrible Goose.

L276[22:47:15] <raptop> ;mission

L277[22:47:16] <LunchBot> raptop: You establish a Munbase. The only transmissions you can receive are the words "john madden" repeated over and over again. You lose the contract and demand a recount.

L278[22:47:38] <raptop> I...guess...

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