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L1[00:00:52] <Qubyte> i think i want to
eject into a very elipitcal orbit around duna where my pe is at the
proper location for the ejection burn from duna
L2[00:01:41] <FLHerne> Qubyte: You still
have a NERV, and a bunch of tanks which you'll need to throw away
anyway
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L4[00:01:55] <FLHerne> Just do whatever the
hell you like, it'll work
L5[00:02:09] <FLHerne> (well, within
reason)
L6[00:02:24] <darsie> Cause from Ike the
ideal take off moment is when Ike is kinda between Duna and the
Sun. And Kerbin needs to be at the right phase so you meet it when
you touch Kerbin's orbit.
L7[00:02:42] <Qubyte> hmm
L8[00:03:45] <darsie> So instead of checking
subsequent orbits of Duna for the best phase, on Ike you'd check
subsequent orbits of Ike around Duna. It's a bit messy.
L9[00:04:13] <darsie> So instead of checking
subsequent orbits around Duna for the best phase, on Ike you'd
check subsequent orbits of Ike around Duna. It's a bit messy.
L10[00:05:25] <darsie> A lowish Duna orbit
is probably the best for you.
L11[00:05:41] <Qubyte> ok
L12[00:06:32] <Qubyte> and i guess i have
plenty of fuel that's going to have to be thrown away anyways
L13[00:06:55] <darsie> With a high elliptic
one, you're set on one ejection direction. You'd have to get that
right for when Kerbin and Duna are at the right phase. Might be a
bit tricky.
L14[00:07:24] <darsie> On a circular orbit
you just move your maneuver node around.
L15[00:09:27] <darsie> Ahh, I even equipped
my refuelling station wiht drills to refuel at Minmus :).
L17[00:11:26] <Qubyte> uh oh i just
timewarped right into the surface of ike while waiting for a
transfer window
L18[00:11:43] <Qubyte> f9 time
L19[00:11:58] <Qubyte> lol unintentionally
relevant
L20[00:12:41] <deadmind> lol yes
L21[00:12:48] <deadmind> let's hope the
real f9 doesn't do that
L22[00:13:27] <Qubyte> it would be a
shocking discovery but also extremely sad
L23[00:14:03] <Qubyte> though it would lead
to a bunch of finger pointing over "why the heck didn't you
see the space rock until it was too late"
L24[00:14:12] <deadmind> well if the dragon
crew had access to a ksp timewarp button, they'd have already blown
up on the pad
L25[00:14:19] <Qubyte> kraken attack
L26[00:14:40] <Qubyte> ok i'm going to go
down to a low circular duna orbit to
L27[00:15:15] <Qubyte> *eject to
kerbin
L28[00:15:25] <darsie> Lowish. Stay safe
from Ike.
L29[00:16:06] <darsie> Or really low, if
you like. You can aerobrake. Not sure what is more efficient. Low
orbit has more Oberth effect.
L30[00:16:29] <darsie> You just need 250
m/s from LDO, IIRC.
L31[00:18:52] <Qubyte> i'm areobraking into
LDO
L32[00:19:20] <darsie> Duna is aerobraking
paradise :).
L33[00:20:00] <Qubyte> unlike mars
L34[00:20:12] <Qubyte> well, mars if you're
landing
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L36[00:20:32] <Qubyte> duna is draggy
enough that you can acturally use parachutes
L37[00:21:21] <darsie> Water coudl be
liquid on Duna.
L38[00:21:34] <elric_of_melnibone> Life is
blood red
L39[00:21:41] <elric_of_melnibone> Death is
pale
L40[00:21:49] <elric_of_melnibone> The
white of bones
L41[00:22:00] <elric_of_melnibone> blood
and flesh dried away
L42[00:22:26] <FLHerne> T-4-and-a-bit
L43[00:22:42] <elric_of_melnibone> ksp and
spacex are one and the same it seems
L44[00:24:50] <FLHerne> Well, there's an
obvious overlap in interests
L45[00:26:25] <Qubyte> "who's holding
the camera"
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L48[00:29:32] <Qubyte> "is that a
plane"
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L50[00:29:47] <Qubyte> "oh no we on
fire"
L51[00:30:05] <Qubyte> the people in the
comments are the funniest
L52[00:30:28] <Jovian_Oracle> Their version
of MechJeb is pretty good
L53[00:31:13] <Qubyte> do they have FRMS
installed?
L54[00:31:36] <Jovian_Oracle> Why isn't
their hull glowing red like mine does during launch?
L55[00:31:54] <Qubyte> that is a pretty
sweet emmisive on the engine bell
L56[00:32:01] <Qubyte> very nice visual
mods
L57[00:32:29] <Jovian_Oracle> I don't know.
SRBs would've made it a lot more exciting.
L58[00:32:58] <Jovian_Oracle> I get this
all done with two reusable stages with 2.5 meter parts
anyway.
L59[00:35:55] <Qubyte> those are really
nice engine plumes
L60[00:36:24] <Qubyte> whatever mod they're
using for those even takes airspeed into account
L61[00:36:43] <Qubyte> does realplumes do
that? idk. my laptop would die if i even tried
L62[00:38:04] <Qubyte> yeah their version
of mechjeb is pretty nice
L63[00:39:10] <Jovian_Oracle> I would've
gone with the orange suits myself.
L64[00:40:02] <Qubyte> the suits are still
pretty nice though
L65[00:40:08] <Jovian_Oracle> O
L66[00:40:17] <Jovian_Oracle> I'm not
hearing the orbital music playing yet
L67[00:40:48] <deadmind> yeah and the
camera hasn't switched
L68[00:40:56] <Qubyte> yep
L69[00:41:06] <Qubyte> heck, the navball
dosen't even say orbit
L70[00:41:20] <Jovian_Oracle> It's because
their version of RPM isn't supported.
L71[00:41:44] <Qubyte> ah ok
L72[00:42:46] <Jovian_Oracle> And why are
they taking the long way to rendezvous? Scrubs.
L73[00:42:53] <Qubyte> i'm going to stop
watching. there's probably some mod incompatibilities that are
causing lots of issues
L74[00:43:12] <Qubyte> yeah why not just
rendezvous as soon as possible?
L75[00:44:33] <Jovian_Oracle> Soyuz go dock
faster
L76[00:44:57] <Jovian_Oracle> Not bad for a
repurposed Lunar spacecraft.
L77[00:45:02] <Qubyte> yes
L78[00:45:45] <Qubyte> ok i suck at
interplanetry transfers. 880 m/s duna to kerbin encounter
L79[00:47:01] <Jovian_Oracle> Is that from
low Kerbin orbit
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L81[00:47:33] <Qubyte> low kerbin
orbit
L82[00:47:37] <Jovian_Oracle> Because it's
about 1000 meters per second to do that from an 80 kilometer
circular orbit.
L83[00:47:37] <Qubyte> *duna
L84[00:47:50] <Qubyte> and it's not even
that low
L85[00:48:10] <Jovian_Oracle> Your
trajectory sounds about right really
L86[00:49:20] <Qubyte> it looks pretty bad
on the map. my pe is pretty low. it's like halfway between kerbin
and eve's orbits
L87[00:50:03] <Jovian_Oracle> Just use your
frameshift drive
L88[00:51:39] <Qubyte> it's a NERV, not an
orion or something
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L90[00:52:03] <UmbralRaptop> *Friendship
Drive
L91[00:52:28] <Jovian_Oracle> FRIENDSHIP
DRIVE CHARGING
L92[00:52:39] <Jovian_Oracle> It wants you
to be friends with Thargoids
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L94[01:13:43] <darsie> Qubyte: Zoom out
till you see all of Duna's orbit around the sun. Then move your
maneuver node around on LDO till you get the lowes Pe.
L95[01:13:52] <darsie> lowest*
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L114[01:38:43] <elric_of_melnibone>
raptop, Gdansk
L115[01:40:30] <elric_of_melnibone> I was
reading stories raptop
L116[01:41:00] <raptop> hrm
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L128[04:48:55] <Althego> so what happened
to the rocketlab electron launch?
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L145[10:02:15] <packbart> Althego: nothing
;)
L147[10:03:55] <Althego> last tweet 13h
ago count ing down. and they changed older tweets fort an
update
L148[10:04:10] <Althego> kind of
dumb
L149[10:04:20] <Althego> on twitter side
too, an update should move them up
L150[10:05:21] <packbart> I didn't know
tweets were editable
L151[10:06:17] <Althego> maybe they are
not
L152[10:09:53] <packbart> !nela
L154[10:10:24] <Althego> nextrocket marked
electron as launched. it was not in the future
L155[10:10:45] <Althego> the tweets were
kind of strange
L156[10:10:59] <Althego> i expected
something like successful launch or standing down, sometihing like
that
L157[10:11:09] <Althego> the last one was
counting down
L158[10:11:17] <Althego> which looked like
they are shortly before launch
L159[10:11:20] <Althego> but it was not
not
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L171[11:51:53] <Mat2ch> hrm, Raptor SN42
at the launchpad, removed was SN32. I wonder what happend to SN33
to 41...
L172[11:54:19] <Althego> they were never
in numeric order
L173[11:55:25] <Althego> probably used on
other craft or undergoing testing
L174[11:56:27] <packbart> SN33 to 41 were
bad prints
L175[11:56:44] <packbart> ;)
L176[11:57:35] <Mat2ch> I have a much
better theory. The are used on secret projects!
L177[11:57:38] <Mat2ch> ;)
L178[11:58:47] <Althego> even if you treat
the raptors as prototype there are close to 50. they cant be
cheap
L179[11:59:25] <Althego> meanwhile nasa is
trying to use up old ssmes to reduce expenses
L180[12:01:38] <Althego> so how come
spacex can have around 20 of these just lying around
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L182[12:19:45] <Deddly> They are churning
them out as fast as they can.
L183[12:20:09] <Deddly> Engine manufacture
is projected by SpaceX to be the biggest bottleneck problem
L184[12:20:46] <Althego> yes, lot of
engines on the booster
L185[12:20:59] <Deddly> They need so many
for each vehicle, and they want to build a lot of vehicles
L186[12:21:05] <Althego> but the engines
look way more expensive than a few stainelss steel rings
L187[12:22:22] <Deddly> If their goal is
essentially mass production, I don't find that surprising at
all
L188[12:23:16] <Althego> ultimately
probably price goes down simply because of economy of scale
L189[12:29:15] <Mat2ch> that is probably
the reason why there are so many failed raptors inbetween. They are
already in the process of scaling the production up
L190[12:29:51] <Mat2ch> and they are
redesigning them from time to time and then test them till
death
L191[12:30:11] <Mat2ch> So SN42 could be
slightly (or heavily) different than SN32
L192[12:32:43] <FLHerne> Mat2ch: I think
38 and 40 were the other ones on SN8 already
L193[12:32:55] <FLHerne> Also, 46 just
showed up
L194[12:33:05] <FLHerne> It has a
Halloween pumpkin painted on
L195[12:34:36] <Mat2ch> Yeah, I saw that.
Funny :D
L196[12:34:53] <Althego> yes i saw that
too
L197[12:37:31] <Althego> (local) leet
time
L198[12:38:37] <Deddly> leeb time
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L205[13:39:43] <Tortoise767> anyone
watching the launch rn? i dont remember the last time i've watched
a launch where everything flowed so perfectly and there wasn't any
worry about a scrub.
L206[13:44:17] <packbart> uh. what
launch?
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L209[14:03:57] <Mat2ch> that is a good
question!
L210[14:12:46] <Deddly> Tortoise767, which
launch?
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L214[14:37:49] <Deddly> I can't see
anything on the launch schedule for today apart from the SpaceX
mission. I can only assume it's someone "livestreaming"
an older launch, unless it is a launch not published on
nextrocket.space
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L216[15:08:32] <Althego> there should be a
dokcing soon
L217[15:08:35] <Althego> but no
laujnch
L218[15:08:56] <Althego> yhere is a spacex
livestream
L219[15:09:02] <Althego> but that is
looping past events
L221[15:10:08] <Althego> i think they are
going to come back with live data around the wake up call
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L225[15:59:31] <Deddly> Did we ever find
out what Tortoise767's launch was? I logged off
L226[15:59:49] <Althego> no
L227[16:19:04] <Deddly> Doh
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L229[17:10:19] <Mat2ch> Maybe fell for
some of those fake youtube streams
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L237[18:08:59] <Althego> scott
L238[18:10:30] <Althego> that was
short
L239[18:10:47] <Althego> docking in
darkness. of course. kerbal style
L240[18:10:51] <Althego> it is always
dark
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L248[19:10:37] <Althego> !road
L249[19:10:39] <Kerbot> Althego =>
Primary; ; ; | Secondary; ; ; | Secondary; ; ;
L250[19:10:49] <Althego> yes, it really is
an empty tamble
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L252[19:26:09] <packbart> will the Senate
Launch System survive another change in presidential policy? I just
read an article that NASA probably won't be ready to put boots and
flagprints on the Moon in 2024
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L254[19:26:30] <Althego> it has nothing to
do with the president change
L255[19:26:45] <Althego> already had the
budget decreased before that
L256[19:26:59] <packbart> well, I was
wondering if a president Biden would continue Space Force and
Artemis
L257[19:27:03] <Althego> which means they
cant pump as much money in sls, so later date
L258[19:27:17] <Althego> yes that is an
interesting question, even scott was thinking about it
L260[19:28:02] <Althego> i watch angry
astronaut and 2 the future with jixuan and sebastian. they often
mock the waste of money that is the sls
L261[19:28:29] <Althego> it is decades
behind technologically and still costs more than anything
else
L262[19:28:32] <packbart> the purpose of
the SLS is to funnel money into states, not sending rockets into
space
L263[19:28:40] <Althego> yes
probably
L264[19:28:50] <Althego> but why not
funnel into something that is useful?
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L268[20:51:06] <Althego> soon but i have
to sleep
L269[20:51:13] <Althego> i almost wrote
have to space
L270[20:52:12] <raptop> You will go to
space tonight
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L274[21:13:16] <raptop> huh, free game on
gog (Butcher)
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L277[21:13:32] <raptop> Also a Poland
Stronk sale
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L284[21:25:45] <Qubyte> hi
L285[21:25:46] <Mod9000> Hello,
Qubyte
L286[21:26:33] <darsie> .
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L288[21:28:15] <raptop> ,
L289[21:28:34] <Qubyte> _
L290[21:29:05] <Qubyte> how hard is it to
areobrake from interplanetry speed at kerbin
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L292[21:29:36] <Qubyte> my craft does not
have any heatsheilds nor is it designed to survive reentry, so i'm
worried that i'm going to explode
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L294[21:31:36] <raptop> hopefully it's
very uh fluffy
L296[21:34:25] <Qubyte> i'm going to go
and try areobraking at 40 km and hope for the best
L297[21:42:22] <Qubyte> ok lol the whole
thing blew up but luckly none of the debris hit me
L298[21:42:41] <raptop> hrm
L299[21:45:43] <Qubyte> hmm i just
realized that i neglected to pack a parachute...
L300[21:47:10] <raptop> uh, I guess pilots
can bail out. Maybe high enough level engineers and/or
scientists
L301[21:47:23] <Qubyte> yeah val bailed
out
L302[21:48:27] <Qubyte> yay val safely
made it back from duna and ike
L303[21:48:56] <raptop> I guess val was
unable to take the science with her?
L304[21:49:04] <Qubyte> sandbox
luckily
L305[21:49:12] <raptop> ah
L306[21:49:33] <Qubyte> where should i go
next? dres? build a minmus refuling station?
L307[21:54:05] <raptop> Hm. Minmus
refuelling station as a staging area for Dres and outer system
missions?
L308[21:54:55] <Qubyte> yeah that's what i
was thinking
L309[21:55:56] <Qubyte> to reduce the
amount of dockings i have to do, i was thinking of making
single-peice tankers that land, make fuel, and dock directly with a
target vessel
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L312[21:57:05] <Qubyte> hmm
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L315[22:25:22] <darsie> Qubyte: Fuelling
stations in LKO are more useful.
L316[22:25:52] <darsie> I don't use mine
often, though.
L317[22:28:47] <Qubyte> hmm
L318[22:30:56] <darsie> But you can refuel
the refuelling stations on Minmus if they run dry.
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L320[22:32:43] <darsie> It's usually less
tedious to fly without refuelling. It does help if you have a low
budget, though.
L321[22:33:08] <packbart> I found a fuel
station around the Mun useful for tourist landers. The rendezvous
doesn't cost much more than the usual circularization and there
they get the fuel for landing and return
L322[22:33:55] <packbart> also including a
lab to level up the crew is useful if you play with Kourages
Tourists (only 1-star tourists may EVA on the Mun)
L323[22:33:56] <darsie> For Mun landing
trips?
L324[22:34:46] <packbart> allows for
smaller tanks on the vehicle
L325[22:34:51] <darsie> mhm
L326[22:35:30] <darsie> If you want to go
to Dres and stop at Minmus, you give up the Oberth effect of
Kerbin.
L327[22:36:31] <darsie> And interplanetary
flight is awkward from Mun/Minmus.
L328[22:36:39] <Qubyte> ok
L329[22:36:56] <darsie> Just like going
home from Ike to Kerbin.
L330[22:37:44] <darsie> I got no comments
for my LKO refuelling station. *sniff*
L331[22:38:00] <Qubyte> i guess i should
just get moar boosters since im in sandbox anyways
L333[22:38:47] <darsie> Go play career
:).
L334[22:40:05] <packbart> does the stock
fuel production conserve mass? I'm never sure if its better to
bring ore to orbit or refine it on the miner
L335[22:40:33] <darsie> yes
L336[22:40:48] <darsie> Not sure about
monopropellant.
L338[22:41:19] <packbart> modular fuel
station
L339[22:42:21] <Qubyte> hmm i guess i'm
going to build a LKO fueling station or something then
L340[22:42:42] <darsie> In career. In
career. :)
L341[22:42:56] <Qubyte> oh yeah in
career
L342[22:43:03] <darsie> yay :)))
L343[22:43:21] <darsie> Wait, do you
already have a career game?
L344[22:44:22] <Qubyte> had
L345[22:44:45] <darsie> Oh. What happened
to it?
L347[22:49:44] <darsie> MP only has 4
kg/unit.
L348[22:49:56] <packbart> yeah, but a
large monoprop tank is usually enough for many visiting
vehicles
L349[22:50:33] <packbart> I'm still
playing with Kerbalism, so I don't have the stock ISRU processes,
anyway
L350[22:50:54] <Qubyte> my career save had
like 50 mods installed and it's on a diffrent device
L351[22:51:00] <packbart> (although I had
to fudge Kerbalism's recipes quite a bit to be useful to me)
L352[22:51:39] <darsie> Ahh, and I have a
2* engineer on my refuelling station: Bill.
L353[22:52:35] <Qubyte> time to go to the
most boring "planet" of them all: dres
L354[22:52:43] <darsie> :)
L355[22:52:47] <darsie> hf :)
L356[22:55:18] <Qubyte> 1 km/sec should be
enough dv to go from dres orbit and back and rendevous,
right?
L357[22:55:40] <darsie> check the dv map
in the topic.
L358[22:55:43] <Qubyte> yeah
L359[22:55:44] <darsie> I prefer the
latter one.
L360[22:56:19] <Qubyte> the margins are a
bit thin but it should be possible? i'm going to add some more fuel
just in case
L361[22:56:30] <darsie> Qubyte: There's a
potentially large plane change dv.
L362[22:56:56] <Qubyte> oh yeah good
point
L363[22:57:25] <Qubyte> oh wow the lander
can is shockingly light
L364[22:57:50] <darsie> The command seat
is even lighter :).
L365[22:58:16] <Qubyte> yeah
L366[22:58:28] <Qubyte> to command seat or
not?
L367[22:58:40] <Qubyte> eh why not command
seat
L368[22:58:44] <darsie> It's an ethical
issue :)
L369[22:58:57] <darsie> Or a matter of
style :)
L370[23:00:52] *
raptop remembers darsie's space stations that had only external
seating
L371[23:01:34] <darsie> :)
L372[23:04:10] <Qubyte> that sounds like
plenty of fun
L373[23:09:05] <raptop> The contractor
delivered on their low bid
L374[23:13:44] <Qubyte> lol
L375[23:18:37] <Alanonzander> mnost likley
with cost overruns :P
L376[23:19:49] <Qubyte> i strapped 2
clysedales to a long NERV noodle and now i'm going to dres
L377[23:20:01] <Qubyte> time to hope for
the best
L378[23:20:11] <raptop> whee
L379[23:20:30] <Qubyte> KER reporting that
first stage TWR on burnout of 7 is a bit worrying though
L380[23:20:44] <darsie> Never hurt to
seriously overengineer rockets :)
L381[23:21:03] <darsie> hurts*
L382[23:21:07] <raptop> whee!
L383[23:21:52] <darsie> Qubyte: You can
change the thrust with RMB in the VAB.
L384[23:23:20] <Qubyte> yeah i know
L385[23:24:02] <Qubyte> takeoff twr is
only 1.3
L386[23:24:19] <Qubyte> eh let's bring
that down just a bit more
L388[23:25:19] <packbart> the RTG keeps
them warm
L389[23:25:23] <darsie> :)
L390[23:25:54] <Qubyte> wait don't the
orange suit kerbals respawn even if you have crew respawn
off?
L391[23:26:12] <Qubyte> jeb died in a BASE
jumping accident
L392[23:26:32] <Qubyte> :( very sad
L393[23:27:06] <raptop> oh no
L394[23:27:08] <packbart> I think they'll
respwan if the Astronaut Complex reports them as
"missing" instead of "killed"
L395[23:27:57] <Qubyte> it says KIA... RIP
jeb
L396[23:35:28] <darsie> Qubyte: Can you
load saved games?
L397[23:41:50] <Qubyte> yes but the last
save i have was after jeb died i think
L398[23:44:53] <packbart> well, you could
replace "state = Dead" with "state = Available"
if you really want him back ;)
L399[23:46:30] <raptop> Ah, yes. Jebediah
Hotdogfingers
L400[23:48:20] <Qubyte> jebediah
savemanipulation
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L402[23:58:47] <darsie> Qubyte: Dated
Quicksaves mod helps here. If you install it first.