<<Prev
Next>>
Scroll to Bottom
Stuff goes here
L1[00:08:47] ⇦
Quits: FLHerne (~flh@86.10.122.80) (Ping timeout: 189
seconds)
L2[00:25:46] <kubi> depends on the number of
collisions on the way
L3[00:28:05] <Qubyte> lol
L4[00:44:46] <darsie> Qubyte: Do you have
crew? They have 600 m/s in their jetpack and can carry data.
L5[00:46:17] <darsie> Stopping at Kerbin may
be impossible, due to insufficient dv and aerobraking heat
resistance, but at least you don't have to send your rescue mission
to Duna, which is not that big a deal, though.
L6[00:49:59] <darsie> OTOH, 353 m/s just
might be enough. Have you tried?
L7[00:52:43] <darsie> hmm
L8[00:54:30] <Qubyte> sending a rescue craft
up to interplanetry speed and back down is only slightly better
than acturally going to ike
L9[00:54:58] <Qubyte> and i'm not really
confident in my jetpack and rendezvous abilities
L10[00:55:08] <darsie> ok
L11[00:55:26] <Qubyte> plus, i already
launched the rescue craft
L12[01:02:54] <darsie> interplanetary
jetpacking can be tricky. You have to eyeball thrust direction and
you don't have maneuver nodes. You can plan the trip from your
ship, but once you leave, you have to execute the plan by
heart.
L13[01:03:52] <Qubyte> oh yeah no nodes or
sas or anything else
L14[01:04:40] <Qubyte> i can barely
rendezvous and dock and not having nodes or sas probably won't
help
L15[01:07:49] <Qubyte> uh oh i just
realized that i frogot to extend my solar panels on the rescue
mission...
L16[01:08:45] <Qubyte> i do have a set of
static panels but they aren't facing the right way...
L17[01:09:37] <Qubyte> i have a fuel cell
but i can't turn it on
L18[01:10:14] <darsie> Kerbin orbit?
L19[01:10:19] <Qubyte> solar
L20[01:10:23] <darsie> dang
L21[01:10:57] <darsie> In LKO crafts turn
during time warp.
L22[01:11:13] <Qubyte> yes
L23[01:11:21] <Qubyte> wish i packed a
RTG
L24[01:11:44] <Qubyte> oh wait i think i
installed hyperedit sometime
L25[01:11:53] <darsie> cheater
L26[01:11:58] <darsie> :)
L27[01:12:32] <Qubyte> i *was* going to use
it for just testing craft
L28[01:13:19] <Qubyte> nobody is going to
notice if i just drag the slider over a few pixles, right?
L29[01:13:59] <darsie> nm. I'm confused.
Dunno hyperedit.
L30[01:17:30] ⇨
Joins: Jovian_Oracle
(webchat@cpe-75-189-19-182.sc.res.rr.com)
L31[01:17:55] <Jovian_Oracle> So I returned
my monitor and did a system restore, KSP and the other affected
Unity titles still do not run.
L32[01:18:11] <Qubyte> how many gs can
solar panels take? is it ok for me to leave them open during
burns?
L33[01:18:26] <Jovian_Oracle> A lot
L34[01:18:34] <Jovian_Oracle> Just close
them during atmospheric incursions.
L35[01:19:24] <Qubyte> ok, time to strap
1000 seperatons and an open solar panel together
L36[01:19:59] <Qubyte> whats going to break
first, the solar panel or my laptop
L37[01:20:19] <Jovian_Oracle> Reality
L38[01:20:35] <Jovian_Oracle> Is it
possible the next update to KSP might fix whatever Unity issue is
causing KSP not to run?
L39[01:21:19] <Qubyte> prehaps. or the next
update is going to cause even worse bugs
L40[01:21:35] <Jovian_Oracle> Bugs I can
stand. A non-running game I cannot.
L41[01:21:49] <Qubyte> true
L42[01:25:41] <Qubyte> i don't think i'm
supposed to have a 300 m/s radial out midcourse correction... i'm
not very good at interplanetry transfers
L43[01:26:25] <Jovian_Oracle> Manual
transfers are a pain.
L44[01:26:56] <Jovian_Oracle> Though it's
common to have such high values if you're transferring to small
worlds like Moho.
L45[01:27:30] <Qubyte> i'm going to
duna
L46[01:27:43] <Qubyte> while duna is not
large, it's not really small either
L47[01:28:04] <Jovian_Oracle> git gud
L48[01:28:31] <Jovian_Oracle> Duna and Eve
are the two only planets I've manually transferred to before
MechJeb introduced the feature.
L49[01:28:44] <Jovian_Oracle> Wait, I take
that back. I did Jool too, which was the easiest if you have the
poop.
L50[01:36:27] ⇦
Quits: Jovian_Oracle (webchat@cpe-75-189-19-182.sc.res.rr.com)
(Quit: webchat.esper.net)
L51[01:42:17] ⇦
Quits: Fluburtur
(~Fluburtur@2a01:e34:ecf7:d4f0:f507:d15d:caec:38ef) (Read error:
Connection reset by peer)
L52[01:51:34] <Qubyte> uh oh i messed up i
think i lost probe control
L53[01:51:55] <Qubyte> time to randomly
launch some relays and hope for the best
L55[01:53:30] <darsie> That was somewhat
fortunate, as Duna is near it's Ap, but it's definitely possible to
get back to Kerbin with 353 m/s. It may be quite tedious, though,
to get an encounter with Kerbin if you need to be close to Duna's
Ap.
L56[01:53:59] <Qubyte> nice
L57[01:54:49] <darsie> 0.2 deg plane change
not included. My Ike orbit is not exactly equatorial, maybe that's
why it's not 0.1 deg.
L58[01:57:21] <darsie> Hmm, wait, that AN
is at the Pe, so no plane change needed.
L59[01:57:38] <darsie> I'd just come in at
some inclination.
L60[01:58:16] <Qubyte> oh jeez i think i
didn't pack a good enough antenna on my rescue mission
L61[01:58:39] <darsie> You still have SAS
controls.
L62[01:59:14] <darsie> But you can't change
the thrust limiter.
L63[01:59:45] <darsie> So it's just full
and no thrust.
L64[02:00:07] ⇦
Quits: Tank2333 (~Tank2333@p5085360b.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Read
error: Connection reset by peer)
L65[02:00:44] <Qubyte> i need to go do
something else
L66[02:00:52] <darsie> cu
L67[02:01:09] <darsie> I need to sleep,
too.
L68[02:05:54] ⇦
Quits: jazzkutya (~jazzkutya@catv-80-98-192-241.catv.broadband.hu)
(Quit: Leaving)
L69[02:24:10] ⇦
Quits: Qubyte (~Mibbit@c-73-42-214-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) (Quit:
https://mibbit.com Online IRC Client)
L70[03:06:30] ⇨
Joins: Guest88990 (webchat@124.123.173.179)
L71[03:07:07] ⇦
Quits: Guest88990 (webchat@124.123.173.179) (Client
Quit)
L72[03:09:11] ⇨
Joins: jazzkutya
(~jazzkutya@catv-80-98-192-241.catv.broadband.hu)
L73[03:09:17] ⇦
Quits: jazzkutya (~jazzkutya@catv-80-98-192-241.catv.broadband.hu)
(Client Quit)
L74[03:11:51] ⇦
Quits: darsie (~kvirc@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at) (Ping
timeout: 189 seconds)
L75[03:25:03] ⇨
Joins: nasonfish
(~nasonfish@c-75-71-32-29.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
L76[04:02:29] ⇦
Quits: NicknameHere (uid148430@id-148430.stonehaven.irccloud.com)
(Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
L77[04:06:32] ⇨
Joins: Wastl4 (~Wastl2@x4db78de3.dyn.telefonica.de)
L78[04:08:34] ⇦
Quits: Wastl2
(~Wastl2@dynamic-077-011-013-114.77.11.pool.telefonica.de) (Ping
timeout: 194 seconds)
L79[04:51:23] ⇦
Quits: nasonfish (~nasonfish@c-75-71-32-29.hsd1.co.comcast.net)
(Quit: My MacBook Air has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
L80[04:55:43] ⇨
Joins: Althego (~Althego@86FF6996.dsl.pool.telekom.hu)
L81[06:03:18] ⇨
Joins: nasonfish
(~nasonfish@2601:281:cd80:a350:5f2:3b65:7c6:e305)
L82[06:23:46] ⇨
Joins: Lyneira
(~konversat@2001:984:484e:1:99d2:d792:10f4:2280)
L83[06:51:21] ⇦
Quits: nasonfish (~nasonfish@2601:281:cd80:a350:5f2:3b65:7c6:e305)
(Quit: My MacBook Air has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
L84[07:38:42] ⇨
Joins: Guest09476
(webchat@89-220-143-14.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl)
L85[07:38:54] ⇦
Quits: Guest09476 (webchat@89-220-143-14.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl)
(Client Quit)
L86[07:46:24] ⇨
Joins: Shoe (uid40690@id-40690.charlton.irccloud.com)
L87[07:47:06] ⇦
Quits: erio (~Christine@cpe-66-108-18-122.nyc.res.rr.com) (Read
error: Connection reset by peer)
L88[08:52:41] ⇦
Quits: Padawan (sid55177@id-55177.charlton.irccloud.com) (Read
error: Connection reset by peer)
L89[08:52:49] ⇨
Joins: Padawan
(~sid55177@id-55177.charlton.irccloud.com)
L90[09:11:38] <Mat2ch> When Elon swears at
entropy then something broke that was built sturdy enough and
should never have broken.
L91[09:11:40] <Mat2ch> :D
L92[09:12:15] <Althego> the restated 3 laws
were not swearing
L93[09:23:16] <Mat2ch> It counts :P
L94[09:24:24] <raptop> Something something
one horse shay
L95[09:25:04] *
minas_tirith flushed
L96[09:53:56] ⇦
Quits: purpletarget|ktns
(~purpletar@d154-20-197-23.bchsia.telus.net) (Ping timeout: 194
seconds)
L97[09:55:55] ⇦
Quits: Shoe (uid40690@id-40690.charlton.irccloud.com) (Quit:
Connection closed for inactivity)
L98[10:10:44] ⇨
Joins: FLHerne (~flh@86.10.122.80)
L99[10:26:48] ⇦
Quits: raptop (~Newpa_Has@172.58.191.36) (Ping timeout: 198
seconds)
L101[10:32:20] ⇦
Quits: hnOsmium0001 (uid453710@id-453710.stonehaven.irccloud.com)
(Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)
L102[10:42:57]
⇨ Joins: darsie
(~kvirc@84-113-55-200.cable.dynamic.surfer.at)
L103[11:00:57]
⇨ Joins: sandbox
(~sandbox@host-92-21-154-75.as13285.net)
L104[11:26:38] ***
minas_tirith is now known as elric_of_melnibone
L105[11:26:48] <elric_of_melnibone> Hi
sandbox and darsie
L106[11:26:59] <darsie> .
L107[11:27:10] <sandbox> hello
L108[11:27:11] <Mod9000> Hello,
sandbox
L109[11:27:24] <sandbox> oh I see
L110[11:28:49] <elric_of_melnibone> See
what, sandbox ?
L111[11:31:54] <Mat2ch> Mod9000 is a
bot
L112[11:31:56] <Mat2ch> :D
L113[11:32:06] <elric_of_melnibone>
Oh
L114[11:32:26] <Mat2ch> So if somebody
joins and says Hi then there's an immidiate reaction to keep those
people in here
L115[11:32:38] <Mat2ch> some thing a
channel is abbandonded, because nobody is writing
L116[12:12:28]
⇨ Joins: HerraTohtori
(~HT@dsl-hkibng31-58c33e-242.dhcp.inet.fi)
L117[12:25:24]
⇨ Joins: Fluburtur
(~Fluburtur@hcy77-1-78-207-125-79.fbx.proxad.net)
L118[12:34:49]
⇨ Joins: jazzkutya
(~jazzkutya@catv-80-98-192-241.catv.broadband.hu)
L119[12:43:51] <darsie> I wish I could
tell KSP to rescan all saved ships so they have a preview
pic.
L120[12:45:41] <packbart> "*collision
with terrain is just a special kind of drag for that
discussion" :)
L121[12:48:24] <packbart> darsie: I guess
you could just delete all files in thumbs/ and then open and save
each ship in the editor. sounds tedious, though
L122[12:49:38] <darsie> mhm
L123[12:56:00] *
darsie should test the Juno at 12-14 km and 220-290 m/s or so. I
was too fast and high, turned off the engine, ran out of EC, fell
and slowed enough and ran the test - without EC.
L124[13:06:10] <packbart> stock KSP is
very lenient in regards to EC
L125[14:56:13]
⇨ Joins: Deddly
(~MrNiceGuy@83-219-206-171.cust.bredband2.com)
L126[14:56:13]
ChanServ sets mode: +o on Deddly
L127[15:12:32] ⇦
Quits: sasamj (uid193032@id-193032.charlton.irccloud.com) (Quit:
Connection closed for inactivity)
L128[15:17:28]
⇨ Joins: NicknameHere
(uid148430@id-148430.stonehaven.irccloud.com)
L129[15:26:34]
⇨ Joins: Shoe
(uid40690@id-40690.charlton.irccloud.com)
L130[15:44:32] <packbart> hm. what was the
keyword...
L131[15:44:34] <packbart> !nela
L133[15:44:39] <packbart> ah
L134[15:46:45] <Althego> and a bit more
than 1 hour later a returning electorn
L135[15:47:04] <Althego> both after
midnight here, so i have to watch the recording tomorrow
L136[16:15:24] ⇦
Quits: Fluburtur (~Fluburtur@hcy77-1-78-207-125-79.fbx.proxad.net)
(Read error: Connection reset by peer)
L137[16:18:04]
⇨ Joins: Fluburtur
(~Fluburtur@2a01:e34:ecf7:d4f0:4d6a:78d5:50d3:87e)
L138[16:28:16]
⇨ Joins: Ezriilc (~Ezriilc@96.59.118.31)
L139[16:50:15] ⇦
Quits: Deddly (~MrNiceGuy@83-219-206-171.cust.bredband2.com) (Ping
timeout: 189 seconds)
L140[17:00:53]
⇨ Joins: sasamj
(uid193032@id-193032.charlton.irccloud.com)
L141[17:32:45] ⇦
Quits: FltAdmVonSpiz
(~chatzilla@cpc102018-bagu16-2-0-cust432.1-3.cable.virginm.net)
(Ping timeout: 198 seconds)
L142[17:47:34]
⇨ Joins: Jovian_Oracle
(webchat@cpe-75-189-19-182.sc.res.rr.com)
L143[17:49:48] ⇦
Quits: Jovian_Oracle (webchat@cpe-75-189-19-182.sc.res.rr.com)
(Client Quit)
L144[18:10:08]
⇨ Joins: hnOsmium0001
(uid453710@id-453710.stonehaven.irccloud.com)
L145[18:13:50]
⇨ Joins: Tank2333
(~Tank2333@p5ddaa657.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
L146[18:19:16]
⇨ Joins: Tank2333_
(~Tank2333@p5ddaa29a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
L147[18:20:30] ⇦
Quits: Tank2333 (~Tank2333@p5ddaa657.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Ping
timeout: 194 seconds)
L148[18:20:31] ***
Tank2333_ is now known as Tank2333
L149[19:19:31]
⇨ Joins: raptop (~Newpa_Has@172.58.188.91)
L150[19:19:31]
ChanServ sets mode: +o on raptop
L151[19:46:26]
⇨ Joins: Jovian_Oracle
(webchat@cpe-75-189-19-182.sc.res.rr.com)
L152[19:46:42] <Jovian_Oracle> Alright, so
KSP versions prior to 1.2 seem to work, confirming my suspicion
Unity 5.4 is at fault.
L153[19:49:31]
⇨ Joins: eriophora
(~Christine@cpe-66-108-18-122.nyc.res.rr.com)
L154[19:49:32]
ChanServ sets mode: +v on eriophora
L155[19:54:02] ⇦
Quits: Jovian_Oracle (webchat@cpe-75-189-19-182.sc.res.rr.com)
(Quit: webchat.esper.net)
L156[20:09:18] <Mat2ch> .oO( Unity is
always at fault! )
L157[20:39:21]
⇨ Joins: Guest15502
(webchat@cpe-74-134-84-52.kya.res.rr.com)
L158[20:39:28] ⇦
Quits: Guest15502 (webchat@cpe-74-134-84-52.kya.res.rr.com) (Client
Quit)
L159[20:49:48]
⇨ Joins: Jovian_Oracle
(webchat@cpe-75-189-19-182.sc.res.rr.com)
L161[20:52:35] <Althego> i see, the pad
ninjas are there again
L162[20:53:10] <Althego> more than 3.5
hours remaining
L163[20:53:36] <Mat2ch> yep
L164[20:53:39] <Mat2ch> I'm going to bed
soon :P
L165[20:53:54] <Althego> me too
L166[20:54:00] <Althego> just finished
broken sword 1
L167[20:57:53] <Jovian_Oracle> You know,
for the developmental costs of Star Citizen, you could have bought
several Dragon launches now.
L168[20:59:24] ⇦
Quits: bildramer
(~bildramer@2a02:587:6230:7100:bd5a:7701:1ddb:104e) (Ping timeout:
189 seconds)
L169[21:01:34] <Jovian_Oracle> So what's
so special about Unity 2019.2.2f1?
L170[21:03:01] <Jovian_Oracle> That's the
version of Unity on KSP that is causing my game to crash on
launch.
L171[21:03:48] <Mat2ch> but Star Citizen
can be used by thousands of people, whilst the F9 has only launched
2.
L172[21:04:05] <Mat2ch> Probably some
internal update. Still no answer from the developers?
L173[21:04:18] <Althego> more like 3
L174[21:04:22] <Althego> if you have one
pilot
L175[21:04:26] <elric_of_melnibone>
Jovian_Oracle, nice name
L176[21:04:27] <Althego> it is already
autonomous
L177[21:04:56] <Jovian_Oracle> Just look
at the cloud decks of Jupiter and you can predict any event.
L178[21:05:10] <Jovian_Oracle> Much
cleaner than interpreting the entrails of animals in the Etruscan
fashion.
L180[21:05:20] <Jovian_Oracle> Yes.
L181[21:05:23] <elric_of_melnibone>
Jovian_Oracle, the Great Red Spot has an immense hypnotic
power
L182[21:05:30]
⇨ Joins: bildramer
(~bildramer@2a02:587:6230:7100:ac9b:cca1:4258:dfa9)
L183[21:05:42] <Jovian_Oracle> Since the
Great Red Spot is shrinking, I've officially petitioned to call it
the Okay Red Spot
L184[21:05:50] <Jovian_Oracle> Or the
Big-ish Red Spot.
L185[21:06:01] <Althego> diminishing red
spot
L186[21:06:29] <Jovian_Oracle> But any
game running Unity 5.4 on my computer will not run, while games
with Unity 5.5 or versions before Unity 5.4 run as normal.
L187[21:06:30] <elric_of_melnibone> It
naturally fixes your gaze toward the center, and hypnotizes you not
by any calmness but rather by its manic, violent elemental
intensity
L188[21:07:54] <Jovian_Oracle> It's also
pretty silly that there are new games running on older versions of
Unity.
L189[21:08:25] <elric_of_melnibone>
Stability and familiarity are greatly valued
L190[21:08:26] ⇦
Quits: Althego (~Althego@86FF6996.dsl.pool.telekom.hu) (Quit: HMI
Module Alpha Humana on approach to Space Station
Mercury)
L191[21:08:30] <elric_of_melnibone> But
yes
L192[21:08:40] <elric_of_melnibone> The
spot has a way of hypnotizing you with its manic, single minded
violence
L193[21:09:03] <Jovian_Oracle> I don't
look at the spot too long, because then it looks back and that
makes me very uncomfortable.
L194[21:09:27] <elric_of_melnibone> It
just has a way of fixing your gaze to its center
L195[21:09:45] <Jovian_Oracle> If worst
comes to worst, I suppose I could just stick with KSP 1.7-ish, as
most or all the mods I like have releases for that version.
L196[21:10:00] <elric_of_melnibone> And
imparting you with a similar borderline dementedly manic and single
minded violent hypnosis
L197[21:11:25] <Jovian_Oracle> So any mod
released before October 16th of last year should work!
L198[21:12:54] <Jovian_Oracle>
Coincidentally, almost all of the mods I already had their last
releases before that time. I don't think 1.8 and beyond had much in
the way of serious changes despite the newer version of
Unity.
L199[21:16:25] <Mat2ch> .oO( or you
install Linux and try that version ;)
L200[21:36:37] <Jovian_Oracle> I'm sorry,
did you mean to say latest version of Windows 10?
L201[21:37:46] *
raptop wonders how cursed installing KSP on WSL is
L202[21:39:32] <Jovian_Oracle> Regardless,
it really seems most mods stopped updating before 1.8 was even a
mote in the Kraken's eye, and I'm going to test if some of the post
1.8 releases will work.
L203[21:41:15] <Jovian_Oracle> Well I
installed the latest version of Restock and it loaded.
L204[21:42:21] <Jovian_Oracle> And the
parts work in the VAB.
L205[21:42:33] <Mat2ch> Jovian_Oracle: no,
I was talking about a proper operating system ;)
L206[21:42:41] <Jovian_Oracle> I'm sorry,
did you mean to say Windows 3.1?
L207[21:45:24] <Mat2ch> No, OS/400!
L208[21:45:29] ⇦
Quits: Lyneira (~konversat@2001:984:484e:1:99d2:d792:10f4:2280)
(Quit: Bye)
L209[21:55:02] <Jovian_Oracle> I think I
should be able to import the newest KSP release's parts into 1.7.3
without too many issues.
L210[21:57:07]
⇨ Joins: Neal (~Neal@47.146.41.184)
L211[21:58:04] <Jovian_Oracle> Having gone
over the version release history, there really don't appear to be
many big changes with 1.8 and beyond despite upgrading to a newer
version of Unity
L212[21:58:19] <Jovian_Oracle> And the
performance issues are pretty irrelevant in my particular
case
L213[22:10:38] ⇦
Quits: raptop (~Newpa_Has@172.58.188.91) (Read error: Connection
reset by peer)
L214[22:13:24]
⇨ Joins: raptop (~Newpa_Has@172.58.188.91)
L215[22:13:25]
ChanServ sets mode: +o on raptop
L216[22:23:18] ⇦
Quits: Jovian_Oracle (webchat@cpe-75-189-19-182.sc.res.rr.com)
(Quit: webchat.esper.net)
L217[22:37:08]
⇨ Joins: Qubyte
(Mibbit@c-73-42-214-33.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)
L218[22:37:14] <Qubyte> hi
L219[22:37:15] <Mod9000> Hello,
Qubyte
L220[22:38:27] <raptop> greetings
L221[22:41:00] <Qubyte> ugg i hate
areobraking
L222[22:41:09] <Qubyte> 4th try and i
still haven't captured into a duna orbit
L223[22:41:33] <Qubyte> first 2 tries i
blew up and these 2 i didn't slow down enough
L224[22:42:25] <raptop> insufficient ΔV
for an atmo-skimming capture burn I assume
L225[22:42:33] <FLHerne> Heatshields help
a bit :p
L226[22:43:04] <Qubyte> i'm areobraking
with a 1.25 meter stack with a nerv facing into the airstream
L227[22:43:38] <Qubyte> i hope 14 km does
it
L228[22:46:16] ⇦
Quits: Shoe (uid40690@id-40690.charlton.irccloud.com) (Quit:
Connection closed for inactivity)
L229[22:50:09] <Qubyte> oh yay 14.7 km did
do it. i'm slightly too low (wanted to go to ike), but at least i'm
captured
L230[22:50:19] <Qubyte> and nothing blew
up, which probably is a good thing
L231[22:52:27] <FLHerne> Jeb will be
disappointed
L232[22:52:41] <raptop> Jeb can walk home
then
L233[22:53:04] *
FLHerne not sure if 'areobraking' is a typo or a reference to Ares
:p
L234[22:53:36] <Qubyte> i did not pack a
good enough antenna on my craft... no manuver nodes, and my engine
is currently throttle locked at 70%
L235[22:54:00] <Qubyte> you know what
would be embarrasing? having to send another rescue mission because
your rescue mission failed
L236[22:54:23] <Eddi|zuHause> just send a
commsat
L237[22:55:12] <Eddi|zuHause> or send over
a pilot with EVA fuel
L238[22:56:34] <Qubyte> that is a very
good idea. since this is an rescue mission, once i pick up val, she
should be able to fly the rocket perfecty fine
L239[22:56:50] <Qubyte> right now, i need
to get from my parking orbit around duna to an encounter with
ike
L240[22:57:11] <FLHerne> Qubyte: recursive
rescue missions: been there, done that
L241[22:57:40] <Qubyte> is there a
caculator for leading angles for transfers around the same
body
L242[22:58:51] <Qubyte> i need to get from
a 834 km orbit around duna to an encounter with ike
L243[22:59:09] <Qubyte> wait nvm i think
KER has a readout for that
L244[23:00:14] <Qubyte> oh great i'm going
the wrong way around duna
L245[23:00:44] <Qubyte> descending node:
180
L246[23:01:00] <Qubyte> i assume i'm
supposed to burn out to almost an escape trajectory and reverse my
orbit there?
L247[23:03:36] <packbart> there's probably
a sweet spot between dV needed to ellipsize/circularize and
inclination change
L248[23:04:26] <Qubyte> i'm going to go
and reverse my orbit
L249[23:04:47] <Qubyte> oh look, got a
nice accidental gravity assist off of ike
L250[23:05:40] <darsie> Qubyte: That's Ike
protecting Duna.
L251[23:06:03] <darsie> See the
description of Ike in the infobox.
L252[23:06:19] <Qubyte> lol
L253[23:06:43] <Qubyte> ike wants me to go
and rescue val because ike dosen't like her... :(
L254[23:14:22] <Qubyte> oh jeez my orbit
around ike is going the wrong way around
L255[23:14:35] <Qubyte> and if i don't
capture now, i'm going to be flung out of the duna system
L256[23:16:22] <FLHerne> Qubyte: Unless
you're really close, just burn radially one way or the other?
L257[23:16:38] <FLHerne> I mean, it's not
the most efficient thing ever
L258[23:16:46] <FLHerne> But you have a
NERV, so who cares :p
L259[23:17:54] <Qubyte> yeah true
L260[23:19:42] <Qubyte> 2.6 km 110 m/s
rendevous acheived
L261[23:20:27] <Qubyte> i suck at docking,
so i didn't bother packing a klaw, so i'm going to have val jetpack
over
L262[23:20:48] <darsie> I rarely use the
nerv. Usually just for tugging asteroids.
L263[23:20:53] <Qubyte> what's the chance
she's going to go off flying into deep space and i'm going to have
to send a second rescue mission to rescue her
L264[23:21:39] <FLHerne> Depends how much
you suck at jetpacking
L265[23:21:45] <darsie> Qubyte: The
jetpack is pretty maneuverable, but you may have to adjust attitude
with LMB to grab the ladder.
L266[23:21:59] <FLHerne> I don't really
see why jetpacking is easier than docking, anyway
L267[23:22:04] <FLHerne> Jetpacking *is*
docking
L268[23:22:26] <Qubyte> i've done a bit of
jetpacking before
L269[23:22:51] <Qubyte> hopefully this is
all going to work out fine
L270[23:23:02] <darsie> Qubyte: There's an
option to turn off the align jetpack attitude with camera.
L271[23:24:43] <darsie> sometimes I wish
there was thrust limiting on the jetpack.
L272[23:25:41] <Qubyte> wait, if i click
retrograde when i am in distance of a set target, will retrograde
cancle out my velocity relative to my target?
L273[23:26:05] <packbart> if the navball
is set to "Target", yes
L274[23:26:09]
⇨ Joins: Tortoise767
(~Tortoise7@2605:e000:1205:ca63:9464:c34b:cb66:616)
L275[23:26:20] <Qubyte> thanks
L276[23:26:46] <Qubyte> and i assume
prograde is going to accreclate me towards my target?
L277[23:26:56] <darsie> no
L278[23:27:18] <darsie> It'll increase
your velocity as you pass the target.
L279[23:27:32] <Qubyte> so if i want to
get closer, i want just target
L280[23:27:33] <darsie> Find the pink
target marker for that.
L281[23:27:52] <Qubyte> yep ok
L282[23:28:22] <darsie> Orbital mechanics
may mess that up a bit.
L283[23:28:30] <Qubyte> yeah
L284[23:29:20] <FLHerne> Qubyte: Well,
ideally you shouldn't burn directly toward the target either
L285[23:29:30] <Qubyte> you want the pink
target marker to line up with the prograde marker, correct?
L286[23:29:41] <FLHerne> You should burn
perpendicular to your current vector in the direction that swings
it toward the target
L287[23:29:46] <Qubyte> yes
L288[23:29:51] <FLHerne> Yes
L289[23:30:07] <Qubyte> get the pink
marker on a line between your pointer and the prograde and
burn
L290[23:30:15] <FLHerne> yeah
L291[23:31:56] <Qubyte> 45 meters and
velocity cancled
L292[23:32:11] <Qubyte> time to quicksave,
eva val, and try and bring her over
L293[23:32:35] <Qubyte> wish i packed some
lights though...
L294[23:32:45] <darsie> Space suit has
light.
L295[23:32:47] <darsie> Press U
L296[23:33:01] <Qubyte> yeah and i have
the crew cabin window lights and the battery indicators
L297[23:33:19] <darsie> Use the suit for
rendezvous. It's free fuel.
L298[23:33:22] <Qubyte> not idea, but will
do
L299[23:33:35] <Qubyte> i'm already
rendezvoused. just have to bring val over
L300[23:33:46] <Qubyte> i should probably
review suit controls
L301[23:34:25] <darsie> Keep the door
vertical, or Val may have trouble grabbing it.
L302[23:35:44] <Qubyte> yay i got in
L303[23:35:56] <Qubyte> i spammed down a
few ladders around the hatch for that reason
L304[23:36:15] <Qubyte> time to go home.
4000 m/s of dv should be way more than adequate
L305[23:36:21] <darsie> lol
L306[23:37:09] <Qubyte> i might even be
able to visit minimus if i areobrake into a high kerbin orbit and
my NERV stage has enough twr
L307[23:38:11] <darsie> Nerv has 60
kN.
L308[23:39:10] <Qubyte> 5.5 m/ss vs 0.5
m/ss of gravity
L309[23:39:11] <Qubyte> should be
fine
L310[23:39:32] <darsie> post pic of your
rocket.
L311[23:39:38] <Qubyte> heck, i might even
be able to visit the mun
L312[23:39:49] <Qubyte> ok
L313[23:41:39] <Qubyte> how do i do that?
i assume i have to use an external picture hosting service and copy
and paste url in?
L314[23:41:53] <darsie> yeah, like
imgur.com
L315[23:42:06] <darsie> Unless you have
your own webserver.
L317[23:43:10] <Qubyte> can you see
it
L318[23:43:14] ⇦
Quits: sandbox (~sandbox@host-92-21-154-75.as13285.net) (Quit:
Leaving)
L320[23:43:36] <darsie> Got it the first
time.
L321[23:43:56] <Qubyte> ok. i just see a
oddly wide blank message on my side
L322[23:44:22] <Qubyte> the second stage
has a terrier hidden in there
L323[23:44:46] <darsie> Ok. What's htat
for?
L324[23:45:09] <Qubyte> a bit more dv if i
really screwed something up really badly
L325[23:45:26] <darsie> Another fuel tank
would have provided more dv.
L326[23:45:41] <Qubyte> *facepalm*
L327[23:45:52] <Qubyte> you're probably
right
L328[23:46:13] <darsie> I guess. Staging
has benefits, though. Not sure which would be better here.
L329[23:47:04] <Qubyte> might as well go
to minimus. do you think i can do mun?
L330[23:47:28] <Qubyte> probably depends
on if i have to leave my nerv stage behind on the surface of
minmus
L331[23:47:32] <darsie> Not sure if your
TWR is enough.
L332[23:48:27] <darsie> The terrier would
work, but it has just enough dv to go down and back up.
L333[23:48:37] <Qubyte> the chemfuel stage
defintely has enough dv, but i might not be able to go back
home
L334[23:48:58] <Qubyte> oh well, i've been
to the mun before. i can always do that later or something
L335[23:49:24] <darsie> Mun flyby or orbit
will give experience.
L336[23:50:00] <Qubyte> sandbox save. i'm
going to get a flag planted on every stock celestial body (except
for the sun)
L337[23:50:53] <Qubyte> oh well, mun
mission isn't too hard. might launch a rover up there for fun and
drive around and plant the flag
L338[23:51:02] <darsie> You could deorbit
with the nerv on Mun and if it's not sufficient, stage and finish
with the terrier.
L339[23:51:34] <darsie> Then you may have
enough dv to get back up and home.
L340[23:52:14] <Qubyte> i think my nerv
stage might have enough TWR to land on the mun, but then i'm going
to topple over because it's long and skinny
L341[23:52:19] <darsie> Or go to the VAB
and check KER if you have enough TWR.
L342[23:52:35] <Qubyte> *has enough. 5
m/ss vs 1.8 m/ss of gravity
L343[23:52:40] <darsie> Yeah, that's quite
possible. But you have a neat reaction wheel.
L344[23:53:39] <Qubyte> true. do you think
it's powerful enough?
L345[23:53:51] <darsie> Do you have a
computer on that rocket to keep it upright while you go on
EVA?
L346[23:53:53] <darsie> Maybe.
L347[23:54:15] <darsie> The capsule has
RW, too.
L348[23:54:27] <Qubyte> eh, guess i'll
just go and land on the mun. abandoning the NERV stage just means i
won't be able to do minmus, but minmus is way more fun, and can be
done seperately
L349[23:54:40] *
flayer tackles darsie
L350[23:54:44] <darsie> Go to Minmus
first.
L351[23:54:59] <Qubyte> oh wait that is
big brain
L352[23:55:04] <darsie> :)
L353[23:56:10] <Qubyte> actually, i think
i'll just do mun. minmus is better for refueling stations, so i'll
send one up to help refuel future missions, and just tell the
enginner i send to plant a flag
L354[23:56:26] <Qubyte> i need to get this
mission over with. must stop procrastinating on other stuff
L355[23:57:09] <Qubyte> so, how should i
go to kerbin from ike
L356[23:58:04] <darsie> Use your brain
;).
L357[23:58:16] <Qubyte> that is a good
one
L358[23:58:24] <darsie> :)
L360[23:59:59] <darsie> Qubyte: Actually,
I guess it may be quite tricky. Duna orbit is sure easier.