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L1[00:03:11] <Qubyte> hmm
L2[00:03:30] <Qubyte> i heard that you should put space stations above 250km to increase FPS or something?
L3[00:04:03] <Qubyte> apparently ksp switches to a simpler way of rendering planets at that altitude that apparently has an effect on fps
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L7[00:12:31] <packbart> that's probably true. there is a switch to "scaled space" somewhere
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L11[00:31:00] <darsie> I put my stations at 80 km or so.
L12[00:32:39] <darsie> My refuelling station has 140 km Ap. IIRC that's because how it happened, and because it happens to some ships, too.
L13[00:33:47] <packbart> I do notice a short lag at ~150km with a returning capsule. it usually doesn
L14[00:33:56] <packbart> doesn't affect anything muc
L15[00:34:14] <packbart> much. duh. this keyboard is broken, I guess
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L17[01:18:37] <umaxtu> pc keyboard?
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L20[01:32:32] <packbart> no, aging laptop keyboard. I might have a spare
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L38[04:00:35] <Althego> hah arrived just in time for docking
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L41[04:05:55] <Althego> homeworld remastered only 3.19 eur on gog
L42[04:13:34] <raptop> nice
L43[04:13:42] <raptop> (-1.01, but still)
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L49[05:18:00] <Althego> "i've been floating in the airlock, just to pass the time away" :)
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L132[13:20:36] <Guest24953> a few questions. i had this game for a long time and have played it intensively but then i didnt tuch it for the past 3 years
L133[13:20:44] <Guest24953> are the 2 DLCs worth it?
L134[13:22:52] <packbart> maybe, yes
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L138[13:24:38] <Althego> Guest24953: i dont really like making history dlc, but breaking ground added electric props and robotic parts, and these are quite worthy (also can lift mjölnir)
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L140[13:25:57] <packbart> the 1.875m parts are a useful intermediate size (although augmenting it with the Missing History mod is recommended). the Mission thingy has its uses to plan and replay missions but I didn't use it much
L141[13:26:03] <Althego> yes that is true
L142[13:26:03] <packbart> (imo, ymmv)
L143[13:26:12] <Althego> i didnt notice those were from the dlc
L144[13:26:14] <Althego> i use thos
L145[13:26:14] <Althego> e
L146[13:26:18] <packbart> the 5m parts are from MH, too?
L147[13:26:26] <packbart> or is that stock-stock
L148[13:26:39] <Althego> https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Making_History_parts
L149[13:26:51] <Althego> https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/Breaking_Ground_parts
L150[13:27:11] <Guest24953> in other words its worth it
L151[13:27:19] <Guest24953> the breaknig grounds DLC
L152[13:27:22] <packbart> oh, the egine plates are good, too
L153[13:27:24] <packbart> +n
L154[13:27:38] <Guest24953> can i make helicopters with breaknig grounds DLC?
L155[13:27:38] <Althego> engine plates are just a shortcut to my usual method with cubic...
L156[13:27:42] <Althego> yes you can
L157[13:27:49] <Althego> but they are not easy to handle
L158[13:27:52] <packbart> anyway, I'd probably buy any KSP DLC. shutupandtakemymoney :)
L159[13:28:15] <Guest24953> #packbart smart smart boi
L160[13:28:29] <Guest24953> what about the maknig histroy DLC in short what is it about
L161[13:28:33] <Guest24953> and is it worth it?
L162[13:28:42] <packbart> yes, the parts alone are worth it
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L164[13:28:47] <Guest24953> relative to its contributions
L165[13:28:48] <packbart> (I'd say)
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L167[13:29:11] <packbart> the additional gameplay stuff not so much, unless you want to build challenges for your friends or such
L168[13:29:15] <Guest24953> ah so makngi history also adds parts
L169[13:29:27] <packbart> yeah, see the two wiki links Althego posted
L170[13:29:38] <Guest24953> alright wil lcheck them out and ty for all the info guys
L171[13:29:46] <Guest24953> its such a nice game
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L174[13:30:47] <Guest86602> wups i loged out. anyways thanks for the information and bye now
L175[13:31:05] <Guest86602> will probably get them
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L177[13:35:41] <Althego> because of these mods i have to buy a 4k screen so that i dont need to scroll in the parts list in the editor
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L191[14:25:00] <Mat2ch> .oO( I'm still mad about the DLC and will always be :P )
L192[14:26:12] <Althego> i bought the game too late
L193[14:26:17] <Althego> so it was not free
L194[14:28:34] <packbart> I bought KSP and MH in a sale on Steam, not for the full price
L195[14:29:09] <Althego> i couldnt stop playing ksp for 5 years. cost 15 eur. well spent
L196[14:29:10] <packbart> still, I think DLCs are important for KSP to keep development going should the buzz for new players slow down
L197[14:29:37] <Althego> yes, obviously. but the making history was something that nobody wanted
L198[14:30:08] <packbart> apart from the parts pack?
L199[14:30:38] <Althego> those are a nice addition, but no way important
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L202[14:31:07] <Althego> but i always wanted the electric props and the robotic joints
L203[14:31:34] <Althego> but whatever i do i cant put enough props on a plane to really fly on duna
L204[14:31:52] <packbart> I use the structual parts in almost every rover. sure, some modder would eventually have created them
L205[14:32:07] <Althego> the triangle things?
L206[14:32:16] <packbart> otoh, I don't use the props (yet)
L207[14:32:22] <packbart> I don't build planes
L208[14:32:40] <packbart> Althego: and the rectangular plates
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L210[14:32:41] <Althego> the point is, the props have infinite delta v in atmosphere
L211[14:32:48] <Althego> yes i never needed those
L212[14:33:01] <packbart> a 2.5mx2.5m is a good base for a rover base
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L214[14:33:24] <Althego> but i wouldnt be able to build a car looking rover. i tried several times, they turn out hideous every time
L215[14:33:32] <packbart> example: https://formularfetischisten.de/~packbart/temp/kspr.jpg
L216[14:33:51] <Althego> i would just skip that in this case
L217[14:34:01] <Althego> the cabin is enough for a base
L218[14:34:04] <packbart> well, ok, it doesn't really look like a "car". but it handles Mun and Minmus well enough
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L220[14:34:29] <packbart> the robotic joints are a bit of a let-down, though. https://formularfetischisten.de/~packbart/temp/kspr1.jpg
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L222[14:34:38] <Althego> hehe
L223[14:35:09] <Althego> why are there such gaps?
L224[14:35:20] <packbart> I don't know. They just happen over time
L225[14:35:36] <packbart> Robotics don't last long
L226[14:36:33] <packbart> (from what I've read, the Infernal Robotics mod does have similar problems, too)
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L229[14:37:03] <packbart> probably a variant of the Base Kraken
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L231[14:37:04] <Althego> i heard it had all sort od strange problems
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L250[15:29:59] <Anders_> chanlog
L251[15:30:01] <Mod9000> I keep channel logs here: bitcoinshell.mooo.com/users/deddly/?C=M;O=D
L252[15:30:09] <Anders_> Hi
L253[15:30:12] <Mod9000> Hello, Anders_
L254[15:30:19] <Althego> doesnt work
L255[15:30:25] <Anders_> yep still down
L256[15:30:41] <Anders_> anyone got any tips for geting the encounter for docking
L257[15:30:44] <Althego> i could try to export the logs odf the other bot
L258[15:30:54] <Althego> but didnt get to it yet
L259[15:31:02] <Anders_> its fine I just wanted to see if it was fixed
L260[15:31:31] <Althego> orbit around a planet or moon?
L261[15:31:43] <Anders_> yeah mainly Kerbin for practice
L262[15:32:21] <Althego> wait, are you the one from a week ago? :)
L263[15:32:41] <Anders_> umm I think so.. What was my name then?
L264[15:32:47] <Althego> i cant remember
L265[15:33:09] <Althego> but i think i cant help you
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L267[15:33:19] <Anders_> I was here befroe but I think it was more like 3 weeks ago and my name was Morerockets
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L269[15:33:29] <Althego> maybe 3
L270[15:33:32] <Anders_> ok its fine if you cant help
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L272[15:33:46] <Anders_> I gtg soon sry
L273[15:33:48] <Althego> i mean there was somebody i tried really hard to help some weeks ago
L274[15:33:57] <Anders_> oh then I dont think it was me
L275[15:33:58] <Althego> and faile
L276[15:34:01] <Anders_> maybe though
L277[15:34:18] <Anders_> well I gtg bye!
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L306[17:25:31] <Mat2ch> Althego: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1328742122107904000
L307[17:25:40] <Mat2ch> and that's why others test on clean stands ;)
L308[17:26:58] <Althego> doubly interesting
L309[17:27:07] <Althego> 2 nm in 2024?
L310[17:27:20] <Althego> but i though we get 5 nm in 2022
L311[17:27:28] <Althego> and 3 nm is a bit delayed
L312[17:27:35] <Althego> 2 nm is even a step after that
L313[17:28:00] <Althego> so those shiny things flying in all direction turned out to be a hazard
L314[17:28:07] <Althego> at least no actual problem with the ship
L315[17:34:40] <Althego> i hope that video comes out soon https://twitter.com/Erdayastronaut/status/1328566408565968897/photo/1
L316[17:37:03] <Althego> hehehe https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1328728296587227143
L317[17:38:36] <Althego> also by 2024 intel might switch to 10 nm :)
L318[17:40:38] <umaxtu> assuming they don't switch to TSMC
L319[17:40:56] <Althego> and he dodged the question about the starship progress report
L320[17:40:58] <Althego> again
L321[17:41:55] <Althego> the only way for intel to do that is to sell its fabs to tsmc
L322[17:42:08] <Althego> because somebody needs to produce that volume
L323[17:44:13] <Mat2ch> Althego: the nanometer game is a fraud anyways. It's just marketing
L324[17:44:20] <Althego> i know
L325[17:44:28] <Althego> i just signifies a process change
L326[17:44:43] <Althego> der8auer showed that the intel and amd transistors are the samesize :)
L327[17:47:14] <umaxtu> personally, I suspect Intel is making noise about moving to TSMC to try to get the US Gooberment to give them money for "national security"
L328[17:47:46] <Althego> just take it from profits. they are making a load of money even now
L329[17:49:10] <umaxtu> why decrease your profits to do something when you can convince the gooberment to pick up the tab?
L330[17:52:56] <Althego> exactly because of capitalism. not their money
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L368[19:20:10] <Althego> oh a what about it
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L379[19:35:09] <Althego> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1328770804222468097
L380[19:35:21] <Althego> os that 10 dollars for kg to orbit?
L381[19:35:39] <Althego> heck even i could afford that
L382[19:36:00] <Althego> if they finish human rating it before i die
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L384[19:42:54] <raptop> $10/kg sounds like ocean-crossing airfreight
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L386[19:49:40] <packbart> beware, it's elon-metric. but yeah, sounds very good if it even comes close to that
L387[19:53:40] <Althego> lol what is this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v5HJ6np5z8
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L389[20:33:09] <Mat2ch> packbart: but even at 20 USD/kg it would be affordable, if you save for it
L390[20:37:16] <umaxtu> cheaper than pot. thats for sure
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L392[20:37:26] <Althego> hehe
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L395[21:45:21] * darsie made a KSP video: https://thepiratebay.org/description.php?id=37225359
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L397[21:53:41] <darsie> Magnet hash if tpb is blocked for you: BF8C16690FD53694F1EFF8CABC83340A10E3633E
L398[21:53:57] <darsie> Not a super exciting video, though :)
L399[21:54:09] <darsie> How to get to Kerbin orbit with your second launch and make lots of science
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L403[22:08:22] <Qubyte> hi
L404[22:08:22] <Mod9000> Hello, Qubyte
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L409[22:42:40] <darsie> .
L410[22:51:40] <raptop> ..
L411[22:56:32] <packbart> so, nobody was watching the Vega launch? I just learned that it failed because of a wiring error. check your cabling! :)
L412[22:56:44] <packbart> ( https://spaceflightnow.com/2020/11/17/arianespace-traces-cause-of-vega-launch-failure-to-human-error/ )
L413[22:57:03] <packbart> "Engineers concluded that cables leading to thrust vector control actuators on the upper stage were inverted, apparently a mistake from the assembly of the upper stage engine"
L414[22:57:41] <deadmind> damn it, another "installed IMU upside down"-type failure
L415[22:57:54] <deadmind> how do their tests not catch that?
L416[22:59:26] <packbart> how do their plugs don't have polarity notches?
L417[23:00:37] <packbart> but yeah, one might imagine the actuators are tested before launch to check if "move left" moves it to the correct left
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L419[23:27:40] <Qubyte> hi
L420[23:27:42] <Mod9000> Hello, Qubyte
L421[23:28:41] <Qubyte> i heard that anything inside of farings, even open ended ones, would not have any drag
L422[23:31:37] <Qubyte> is this true or not?
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L425[23:50:14] * raptop wants to say that there's a lot of weirdness. They *shouldn't* have drag IIRC
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