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L3[00:17:04] <Althego> nice picture
L4[00:17:17] <Althego> it took considerable
effort based on the text
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L7[00:21:45] <Judge_Dedd> Wow, it looks
almost round
L8[00:23:14] <Althego> and flatties say moon
is its own light source
L9[00:24:09] <raptop> They also say that
moonlight makes things colder, right?
L10[00:24:15] <Althego> that too
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L12[00:24:53] <raptop> Incidentally,
something you set outside in a clear moonlit sky will be colder
than something set under a roof, but otherwise in the same outside
environment
L13[00:25:25] <raptop> (blackbody radiation
from the roof dwarfs reflected moonlight)
L14[00:27:32] <Judge_Dedd> Likewise for
something set outside in a clear moonless sky
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L16[00:28:02] <raptop> yep!
L17[00:28:20] <Althego> they never checked
this of course
L18[00:28:25] <Althego> others did
L19[00:28:25] <raptop> The baleful cold
gaze of the hateful stars
L20[00:30:53] <Judge_Dedd> As Medlife
Crisis often points out, correlation is not causation
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L26[02:44:19] <kmath> <olimould>
Apparently, the new Microsoft flight sim has used AI to map the
entire world. But it's not done it all that great,…
https://t.co/2uM4I1DI6n
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L31[03:19:37] <Judge_Dedd> Althego, it's
the game of the future
L32[03:19:53] <Judge_Dedd> AI might be
great at predicting the future
L33[03:20:46] <Judge_Dedd> Since tourism is
looking bleak right now, blocks of flats might be a more profitable
use of the land ;)
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L40[04:37:34] <Althego> (local) leet
time
L41[04:47:19] <Judge_Dedd> You mean, l337
71m3
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L66[08:22:53] <Althego> do what you want
'cause a pirate is free
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L68[08:31:32] <Judge_Dedd> Pirate 11 did a
tight little circle on the approach there
L70[08:33:10] <kmath> YouTube - The Martian
Machines | Episode 1: The Mars-2 Probe
L71[08:35:46] <Judge_Dedd> Thought it was
going to land at Aberdeen but apparently not
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L96[10:42:34] <FLHerne> Any suggestions on
how best to stretch it to reach Minmus?
L97[10:42:41] <FLHerne> (can be refuelled
in low Minmus orbit)
L98[10:43:29] *
FLHerne still isn't very good at spaceplanes
L99[10:47:54] <FLHerne> Also, I really wish
there was a half-length Mk1 liquid-fuel tank
L100[10:48:20] <Althego> quite a lot of
delta v from a plane with all those cabins
L101[10:48:43] <Althego> obviously swap to
rapiers and nuke
L102[10:48:59] <Althego> lose one crew
cabin and replace it with fuel
L103[10:49:25] <Althego> the docking part
is also quite heavy if i remember correctly, just stick a docking
port on top
L104[10:51:32] <Mat2ch> Too much wing area
for my taste of space planes. The aerospike just adds weight, a
good profile should work without
L105[10:52:08] <Mat2ch> (but the wings
look cool)
L106[10:59:59] <FLHerne> Althego: I don't
have Rapiers or a nuke, it's career ;-)
L107[11:00:11] <Althego> day how
many?
L108[11:00:13] <FLHerne> And the crew
cabins are what it's for
L109[11:00:26] <bees> FLHerne: drop tanks
then
L110[11:00:31] <FLHerne> No idea
L111[11:00:33] <Althego> yes that is a
sane solution
L112[11:00:35] <bees> you are pretty maxed
at your tech level
L113[11:00:36] <Althego> if you dont want
to make it ssto
L114[11:00:43] <bees> and 600m/s with it
is already pretty good
L115[11:00:45] <Althego> which is a
pointles endeavor except for bragging rights
L116[11:00:50] <FLHerne> I have a
spaceplane with a Mk1 crew cabin that can get to Minmus and back
without refueling
L117[11:00:58] <FLHerne> (barely)
L118[11:01:06] <FLHerne> So I figure it
should be possible
L119[11:01:11] <Althego> and actually
losing tanks costs you in a loss of few thousands
L120[11:01:15] <Althego> but everything
else comes back
L121[11:01:31] <FLHerne> Althego: I want
SSTO for the bragging rights :D
L122[11:01:43] <FLHerne> Drop tanks can be
plan B if I can't make it work
L123[11:02:03] <Althego> the problem is,
if you want a big payload, you need more engines, which means more
fuel, that further increases the engines
L124[11:02:13] <Althego> and you end up
with something like 3 times this big
L125[11:03:42] <bees> FLHerne: mk3 or drop
tanks
L126[11:03:51] <bees> or
nukes/rapiers
L127[11:03:56] <Althego> yes because it
becomes big, the mk3 is a good solution
L128[11:12:55] <FLHerne> How draggy are
different kinds of landing gear?
L129[11:13:12] <FLHerne> It's annoying to
have tailstrikes unless I fly really carefully
L130[11:13:14] <Althego> generally not too
much if they are retracted
L131[11:13:24] <FLHerne> But I can put up
with that if it saves me anything
L132[11:26:45] <Mat2ch> Since you should
reduce your wing area as well, you should go fast and not pull very
hard on the stick ;)
L133[11:30:57] <bees> FLHerne: calculate
your maximum possible delta-v on rocket power
L134[11:31:12] <bees> assuming you start
from 1400 m/s and suffer no aero/gravity losses
L135[11:32:19] <bees> if it is lower than
your required delta-v for minmus from that position, abandon idea
for obvious reasons
L136[11:32:35] <bees> and ofc with zero
extra LF
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L139[12:05:34] <Althego> electron is
scheduled again, so is the self igniting one
L140[12:07:13] <Althego> so saturday
morning may be quite interesting
L141[12:07:45] <Althego> or around friday
midnight for americans
L143[12:08:22] <kmath> YouTube - KATICA
ILLÉNYI - STAR TREK (theremin)
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L156[12:49:48] <FLHerne> (on the first
launch of this version)
L157[12:50:00] <FLHerne> So I think it
should be feasible
L158[12:50:16] <FLHerne> Without being
*too* huge
L159[12:52:07] <FLHerne> Maybe even with
this version if I play trial-and-error with the launch profile
enough
L160[12:53:10] <bees> consider
bruteforcing your way with 4x jets + 1x aerospike
L161[12:53:30] <bees> that allows you to
leave atmo at 20-30 degrees angle at full speed
L162[12:53:43] <bees> and usually saves
more fuel than 1 extra engine loses
L163[12:54:01] <FLHerne> But then it would
be ugly :p
L164[12:54:36] <FLHerne> (also, where
would I put the 1 aerospike?)
L165[12:54:46] <bees> 3 on tail
L166[12:55:18] <bees> 1.25m ending with
aero and 2 on that
L167[12:55:37] <bees> thrust would be
somewhat imbalanced, but manageable
L169[12:56:37] <FLHerne> Hm, I need to put
the docking port the other way up, otherwise the tail will hit my
station...
L170[12:56:55] <bees> it would not be
higher than your present tail
L171[12:57:44] <FLHerne> The present tail
is too high ;-)
L172[12:57:52] <FLHerne> (or rather, too
close to the docking port)
L173[13:01:57] <FLHerne> Right, so with
this version I've got easily enough Δv for a Minmus flyby, but not
to make orbit
L174[13:02:12] <FLHerne> Perhaps with a
Munar gravity assist...
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L180[13:25:40] <FLHerne> Hm, so designing
a trajectory where I actually *hit* the moon was...not such a great
idea
L181[13:25:44] <FLHerne>
(:facepalm:)
L182[13:26:43] <raptop> Ranger
program?\
L183[13:26:49] <raptop> s/\\//
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L185[14:23:57] <Mat2ch> FLHerne: but why
the aerospikes?
L186[14:24:07] <Mat2ch> oh, you don't have
the Rapiers yet, right?
L187[14:24:30] <FLHerne> right
L188[14:25:21] *
FLHerne still trying to get the craft above to Minmus orbit
:p
L189[14:25:36] <FLHerne> (having got
distracted by IRL stuff for a while)
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L196[16:02:18] <FLHerne> bees:
"pretty much maxed at your current tech level" indeed :D
/home/flh/Pictures/Screenshot_20200828_000058.png
L198[16:04:56] <FLHerne> (sadly, not
*quite* able to rendezvous with the station, but I can send a
lander over)
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L200[16:20:52] <bees> and how much heavier
it was compared to initial version?
L201[16:52:29] <FLHerne> Marginally, 35
tons against 31
L202[16:53:12] <FLHerne> I've designed a
version with slightly smaller wings, RCS and a docking port that
doesn't risk knocking the tail off
L203[16:53:26] <FLHerne> But testing that
can wait for tomorrow, because I should sleep :p
L204[16:54:51] <JVFoxy> heh.. much
testing, yes, been there, done that
L205[16:54:56] <FLHerne> Of course, in the
time I've spent fooling about with this thing, I could have
researched Rapiers probably twice over
L206[16:55:15] <FLHerne> But constraints
are fun :-)
L207[16:57:36] <JVFoxy> lol....
L208[16:58:08] <JVFoxy> constraints... me:
doens't bother to upgrade VAB/SPH or runway or launchpad for as
long as can in career
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