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L63[07:42:57] <Althego> spacex lawsuit against the air force
L64[07:45:21] <Althego> might be risky, but essentially they are right. ula is a waste of money
L65[07:50:56] <packbart> Live in 15h: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx5GjjCtcgo
L66[07:50:56] <kmath> YouTube - Aug. 27 Live Broadcast: Delta IV Heavy NROL-44
L67[07:51:03] <packbart> it's going to be a bit late for me
L68[07:51:16] <Althego> what happened to electron?
L69[07:51:29] <packbart> it's still on, as far as I know
L70[07:51:41] <Althego> some days later
L71[07:51:54] <packbart> "29 August 2020
L72[07:51:55] <packbart> 03:05:00"
L73[07:51:58] <Althego> same day as a spacxecx
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L75[07:53:11] <packbart> ah, I see. https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/ lists Electron on the 27th, Wikipedia says 29th
L76[07:54:24] <Althego> https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/1298342523203592192
L77[07:54:24] <kmath> <✔RocketLab> Launch Update: The launch window for our #ICantBelieveItsNotOptical mission opens tomorrow, but due to weather we’r… https://t.co/gDuvaD0Jsi
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L83[09:20:56] <Mat2ch> woah, 30 minutes of Wintergatan!
L84[09:21:03] <Mat2ch> Althego: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYFdNwXXcac
L85[09:21:03] <kmath> YouTube - Testing the Marble Module & Introducing the MMX CAD Team! - Marble Machine X #139
L86[09:21:10] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9F3f403Ta8
L87[09:21:10] <kmath> YouTube - Artemis 1 Mission: 13 Secondary Payloads On Board!
L88[09:21:35] <Althego> i still have almost 3 hours of flat earth
L89[09:26:04] <Mat2ch> I will never understand the joy of watching that. Even if it is the destruction of them...
L90[09:26:56] <Deddly> Is that the Netflix series?
L91[09:27:14] <Althego> no, various youtube channels
L92[09:28:57] <Althego> hehe all the bearings
L93[09:29:05] <Althego> roll in separate directions
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L95[09:33:51] <Althego> now he wants to use the MMY in the tour
L96[09:34:01] <Althego> not even a screw exists from that
L97[09:36:19] <packbart> uhh. Mixed Martial-Yards?
L98[09:36:28] <Althego> marble machine y
L99[09:36:36] <Althego> because after the original he is building the x
L100[09:36:42] <Althego> so the next one is y
L101[09:36:43] <packbart> ah, I see. I thought you were talking about flat-earthers :)
L102[09:37:44] <flayer> there is no way earth is round
L103[09:37:57] <flayer> i saw a ksp video that proved flat kerbin would work
L104[09:38:14] <Althego> the ksp but ... series?
L105[09:38:15] <flayer> you just have to fight gravity to travel sideways
L106[09:39:42] <Althego> only if gravity exists :)
L107[09:39:50] <flayer> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neI3UB8Lzhc
L108[09:39:50] <kmath> YouTube - Kerbal Space Program but Kerbin is Flat
L109[09:40:18] <Althego> i saw this
L110[09:40:38] <Althego> i like how the builders of the linkspace rocket cheer when it lands
L111[09:42:23] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77oMI0aL8Jo
L112[09:42:24] <kmath> YouTube - 300m hop test of Newline Baby reusable rocket from LinkSpace China
L113[09:42:41] <Althego> unlike ula, they understand this is the future
L114[09:42:47] <Mat2ch> Liny still has not 100k subs? How is that possible?
L115[09:43:27] <Mat2ch> Unlike Arianespace...
L116[09:43:46] <Althego> yes that too
L117[09:43:57] <Althego> they are still building the ariane 6
L118[09:44:06] <Althego> which is a good rocket, by a decade old standards
L119[09:44:35] <Mat2ch> well, they try to go reusable for Ariane 7, but they are moving so slow
L120[09:44:47] <Mat2ch> like if they're still using drawing boards...
L121[09:45:07] <Althego> at this point that is a lost art :)
L122[09:45:37] <Althego> same for slide rule
L123[09:45:58] <Mat2ch> and I have another problem with ESA. They're publicly funded, but you get only occasional updates and insights. And on the other side is SpaceX, which are pretty open in what they are doing
L124[09:46:24] <Althego> there are a buch of people filming them voluntarily :)
L125[09:46:27] <Mat2ch> well, the people working at ESA may be still using drawing boards actually...
L126[09:46:28] <Althego> i mean spacex
L127[09:46:39] <Althego> dont think so
L128[09:46:58] <Mat2ch> Don't underestimate the amount of old people there...
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L130[09:47:03] <Althego> hehe
L131[09:47:21] <Althego> but then somebody needs to move that drawing int o cad to integrate with the others
L132[09:47:27] <Althego> that would require 2 people
L133[09:47:40] <Althego> i would expect this much from germans
L134[09:47:50] <Althego> but i guess ariane is mostly french
L135[09:48:02] <Althego> germans, because "this is the way we have always done it"
L136[09:49:54] <flayer> oh nice, china's halfway there!
L137[09:50:10] <Althego> this is where spacex was a few years ago
L138[09:50:18] <Althego> they are still ahead of anybody else
L139[09:51:16] <flayer> i expect china to walk on the moon using reusable launches before the decade is out
L140[09:51:44] <Althego> in this pace, possible
L141[09:52:46] <packbart> what's so interesting about the moon, though?
L142[09:53:04] <Althego> first, it is not earth
L143[09:53:14] <Althego> second easier to go to orbit
L144[09:54:21] <packbart> hm. I've read arguments that going anywhere from earth orbit or from the moon's surface doesn't make much difference. I'm not a rocket scientist, obviously :)
L145[09:58:58] <Althego> but obviously mars is way better
L146[10:00:40] <Althego> still didnt give up on venusian cloud cities
L147[10:01:00] <Althego> sounds nice, but what could you do there floating in the clouds?
L148[10:01:42] <Althego> wait for a black masked guy to appear? (i have altered the deal)
L149[10:05:29] <UmbralRaptop> In the present epoch, everyone wears a mask though
L150[10:06:02] <UmbralRaptop> (does Vader's setup meet P100 ratings?)
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L152[10:16:39] <Althego> there is no data oin this :)
L153[10:17:26] <flayer> i definitely want to see more probes sent to venus
L154[10:17:32] <flayer> some heavily armored ones maybe
L155[10:24:40] <UmbralRaptop> Long term balloons!
L156[10:24:55] <Althego> but again, what would you do on the balloons?
L157[10:25:34] <Althego> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/surfacism
L158[10:26:14] <flayer> surf-fascism is more my style
L159[10:26:53] <raptop> asdjkl;fgsdjlkd
L160[10:27:06] <Althego> right
L161[10:27:29] <raptop> I mean, you could get high resolution imagery of a bunch of the surface. Also weather/atmospheric data in-situ in a lot of places
L162[10:27:48] <Althego> you cant imagine the venusian surface
L163[10:27:57] <Althego> bimage
L164[10:28:01] <Althego> whatever
L165[10:28:08] <Althego> because of the atmosphere
L166[10:28:15] <Althego> but radar should work
L167[10:28:19] <Althego> as did already
L168[10:38:05] <raptop> high rez from below cloud optical, also photometry -> surface composition
L169[10:38:49] <Althego> how hot is it at that altitude?
L170[10:42:03] <raptop> 200 C? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Venus#/media/File:Venusatmosphere.svg
L171[10:42:25] <raptop> less if you hang out in the haze
L172[10:42:27] <Althego> hehe sulfuric acid haze
L173[10:42:30] <Althego> how nicec
L174[10:42:51] <Althego> but 200 degrees is way better than the surface
L175[10:43:26] <raptop> The 1 bar level is apparently in the upper portion of the haze
L176[10:44:04] <Althego> that is tunable. you can go a bit higher for less acid
L177[10:51:42] <packbart> shipping dry lead-acid batteries to Venus
L178[10:52:09] <Althego> maybe you could just filter out the lead from the atmosphere :)
L179[10:53:07] <packbart> ooh, that too. my Venus Battery Corp. will be rich
L180[10:54:55] <raptop> pfft
L181[10:55:58] <Althego> supposedly now is the time to look at mars. it is in oppositon and really close to earth
L182[10:57:42] <packbart> yeah, I read about that. 15 years until the next "Super Mars"
L183[11:00:06] <raptop> http://spider.seds.org/spider/Mars/marsopps.html
L184[11:00:19] <raptop> Looks like the october one is pretty good
L185[11:03:47] <Althego> cant really beat hirise though :)
L186[11:06:37] <Althego> even that is something like 15 years old
L187[11:08:10] <raptop> Obviously the solution is to send a KH-11 to Mars
L188[11:09:15] <Althego> looks like a small hubble
L189[11:09:33] <Althego> maybe not even small
L190[11:11:14] <Althego> anything that powerful, we obviously need it around mars
L191[11:14:08] <raptop> Consensus is that they're short hubbles
L192[11:14:59] <Althego> what can the resolution be around mars? 5 cm?
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L258[22:02:00] <Kerbal_47> Gidday
L259[22:02:07] <Kerbal_47> Fellow kerbals
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L262[22:22:42] <raptop> 47 seconds
L263[22:22:48] <Althego> longer than average
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L268[23:34:59] <Althego> nobody reminded me of the launch
L269[23:35:59] <Althego> wait, was it postponed?
L270[23:36:10] <kubi> nomen est omen
L271[23:39:48] <Althego> ULA Delta IV Heavy Rocket Launch from Cape Canaveral Scrubbed Due to ‘Pneumatics Issue’
L272[23:43:45] <raptop> kubi: when you use latin to declare variables and functions
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L274[23:44:44] <kubi> when I code for Vatican
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