L8[02:59:45] <packbart> darsie: you can cheat something to the ground since 1.9 with the "set position" option

L9[03:12:48] <darsie> ah, thx

L11[04:37:11] <darsie> 1337

L12[04:50:37] <flayer> i always notice it when i look at the clock and i see that time

L13[04:50:46] <flayer> it never ceases to amuse me

L18[06:05:40] <Althego> what, electron in 8 hours? when did that jump to the top

L23[08:38:22] <Hojamalo> hi

L24[08:38:23] <Mod9000> Hello, Hojamalo

L26[08:41:56] <Althego> and still here, amazing

L31[09:46:09] <Guest52719> Got a weird problem - I'm wanting to practice EVA skills, and don't want to spend time getting a ship into orbit, so I've got a very basic craft, and I cheat it into orbit, and as soon as it gets there it starts spinning, as though the RCS is on, going faster and faster and I can't get control or stop it. It's almost as though there's a key stuck i

L32[09:46:09] <Guest52719> n the down position, but this a brand new computer - literally less than 24 hours that I've had it.

L33[09:46:13] <Guest52719> This is in Sandbox mode, v1.10; using SAS has no effect, only seems to make things worse. I've quit and restarted KSP, deleted the game entirely and started over, and it keeps happening. About the only thing I haven't tried is rebooting the computer itself. Suggestions?

L34[09:47:18] <hoglahoo> do you think it is related to cheating your ship into orbit

L35[09:47:29] <hoglahoo> I don't know how to cheat a ship into orbit so I'm not sure how to test that

L36[09:47:33] <Althego> does it do that on the launchpad with gravity off?

L37[09:47:53] <Guest52719> Alt-F12, then select Cheats on the left, then Orbit

L38[09:47:59] <hoglahoo> o

L40[09:48:07] <Althego> bleh

L41[09:49:21] <Guest52719> Not sure, I didn't think to try turning off gravity ... not sure how to do that, I'm new to cheats.... I'll see if I can figure it out.

L42[09:49:41] <Althego> it is in the cheats too

L43[09:49:50] <Althego> a slider and an activation checkbox

L44[09:50:00] <Althego> you can turn it almost completely off

L45[09:50:49] <Althego> if the lower left control indicators dont show a control input, then it may be a phantom force

L46[09:51:05] <Guest52719> I'll take a look and let you know ...

L47[09:51:06] <Althego> or it can come from reaction wheels

L48[09:51:24] <Althego> and you can turn off those by the context menu of the capsule

L49[09:52:32] <Guest52719> Aw crud, I can't seem to find where to turn off gravity in the cheats... little help?

L50[09:52:45] <Guest52719> oh wait

L51[09:52:54] <Guest52719> I think I found it ... hack gravity

L52[09:53:10] <Althego> that

L53[09:53:31] <Althego> move the slider way down and clickthe ckeckbox

L54[09:53:47] <Guest52719> yep, as soon as I turn off the gravity it the ship on the launchpad started spinning.

L55[09:53:52] <Althego> hehe

L56[09:53:59] <Althego> so it is not the reposition

L57[09:54:05] <Althego> what if you turn off reaction wheels?

L58[09:56:06] <Guest52719> Reaction Wheels are set to Normal; I've got SAS and Pilot, but not an Off setting. Looks like SAS leaves it in place.

L59[09:56:21] <Guest52719> I'll try cheating it to orbit and see if that sticks.

L60[09:56:22] <Althego> turn them off

L61[09:57:24] <Guest52719> Is there another button to turn them off completely? Every time I click the blue Reaction Wheel button it cycles - Normal, SAS Only, Pilot Only. Am I missing something?

L62[09:57:50] <Althego> hmm i remembered you could turn them off

L63[09:57:59] <Althego> maybe it is in the advanced tweakables

L64[09:58:27] <Althego> i guess sas only would be off if sas is off

L65[09:58:45] <Alanonzander> Set to idle

L66[10:00:06] <Guest52719> Well, with the RW set to SAS Only, it doesn't spin when it gets to orbit, but it won't respond at all now, whether SAS is on or off. Just sits there like a lump.

L67[10:00:21] <Althego> so it is the reaction wheels doing it

L68[10:00:41] <Althego> which really looks like control input

L69[10:00:51] <Althego> when you look in the lower left corner

L70[10:01:04] <Althego> is any of the orange needles off center?

L71[10:02:11] <Guest52719> Pitch is slightly. When I use any of SAS pre-sets, prograde or retrograde, it goes nuts. It stablizes if I deselect any of those.

L72[10:02:30] <Althego> maybe you have trim

L73[10:02:33] <Althego> press alt-x

L74[10:02:38] <Althego> on windows

L75[10:03:03] <Guest52719> ok, alt-X, nothing appears to happen. Should I see something?

L76[10:03:17] <Althego> the needle gping to center

L77[10:04:02] <Guest52719> no, nothing ... the offset of pitch from the center point is VERY slight...

L78[10:04:35] <Guest52719> And even though I didn't try anything, w/ SAS on but nothing selected, it stabiled on prograde.

L79[10:05:18] <Guest52719> When I use WASD there's no response. Only the green top left SAS preset (whatever it's called) is on.

L80[10:05:41] <Althego> obviously, because we turned it off

L81[10:06:59] <Althego> in the wors case you could turn the reaction wheels back to normal, and just counter trim this input

L82[10:07:00] <Guest52719> ok, this is weird... I set to spinning by selecting retrograde, changed windows from the game to this dialog, then back again, and it's stabilized on retrograde.

L83[10:11:20] <Guest52719> Yeah, something is screwed up. When I'm focused on this window, if the ship is spinning, I see roll, yaw, and pitch inputs that finally stabilize the ship. As soon as I change to the game, it starts getting roll, yaw, and/or pitch inputs that start the ship spinning.

L84[10:11:58] <Guest52719> The electric charge is being drained, so something is feeding this thing.

L85[10:13:04] <Althego> you should get similar things by just hovering above the cheat window

L86[10:13:26] <Althego> that also takes away control input from the game and links it to the the window isntead

L87[10:13:41] <Guest52719> Sorry ... "get similar things"?

L88[10:14:06] <Althego> you meantioned different behavior if the game was focused or not

L89[10:15:00] <Althego> i had this kind of thing once and then it was my joystick feeding in a signal

L90[10:16:24] <Guest52719> That must've been it ... I unplugged my joystick and it seems to be behaving normally againl.

L91[10:16:37] <Althego> hehe

L92[10:16:41] <Althego> just calibrate it

L93[10:16:50] <Althego> in my case a headset was pressing on it slightly

L94[10:17:46] <Guest52719> Weird ... I just got this computer, just calibrated the joystick yesterday, and it was working fine. Strange that's it needs it again, but I'll give it a try.

L95[10:18:28] <Guest52719> Thank you SO much, oh KSP god!

L96[10:18:48] <Althego> lol

L97[10:19:28] <Althego> i have a logitech extreme 3d pro. and even when it is calibrated, if i touch the stick slightly it doesnt always go to center

L98[10:20:10] <Althego> so i have tomove a bit several times to settle in the center completely

L99[10:20:20] <Guest52719> that's what I've got as well. Brand new beasty, only a couple weeks old. I hope this isn't going to become a habit.

L100[10:20:39] <Althego> also it is useless for ksp because the game just ignores small movements, so big dead zone

L101[10:20:53] <Guest52719> gotta go. Thank you again! I'm much obliged to you for your time.

L102[10:20:59] <Althego> it works ok for elite though, aside from thsi center issue

L103[10:21:16] <packbart> ah, that reminds me. something broke in the Joystik Mod in 1.10

L105[10:21:40] <packbart> I'll try installing it again

L106[10:21:57] <Althego> or summon the creator

L107[10:22:15] <packbart> I think linuxgurugamer is its current maintaine

L108[10:24:05] <packbart> some conflict with "SDL2.dll", CKAN sez

L109[10:34:22] <packbart> weird, it was in my Steam folder, too. must have been left over. I just recently moved my installation into its own directory

L115[11:31:52] <Althego> https://youtu.be/5ZcZoDFYjXc

L116[11:32:04] <Althego> Rocket Lab - Pics Or It Didn't Happen Launch

L126[13:19:00] <flayer> i need to build a vtol mobile base for laythe

L127[14:05:02] <darsie> stream live

L128[14:19:58] <darsie> 20 s

L133[15:00:25] <darsie> Electron fail confirmed.

L134[15:00:29] <darsie> gn

L152[20:47:25] <redcrafter12345> hi

L153[20:47:26] <Mod9000> Hello, redcrafter12345

L154[20:47:39] <redcrafter12345> uhhhhh im new

L155[20:47:57] <redcrafter12345> anyone here

L158[20:56:55] <raptop> blink

L162[21:52:03] <Althego> and i didnt watch this electron launch. pics or it didnt happen. and it didnt happen...

L163[21:52:24] <Althego> ok nothing spectacular, feed cut out

L164[21:53:31] <Althego> that was their first failure, it was bound to happen

L165[21:53:52] <Althego> hehe 13th launch

L168[22:25:15] <XXCoder> Althego: it was pretty ksp failure too

L169[22:25:28] <XXCoder> it failed to switch to oither batteries and ejected expired ones

L170[22:25:37] <XXCoder> so it lost power to pump and it crashes

L176[23:43:53] <flayer> alright

L177[23:44:09] <flayer> time to start launching the parts of my carefully constructed jool mission

L179[23:50:45] <raptop> bonus: regaining conciousness at like 5-8 km, and quickly deploying a drogue chute