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L1[00:09:44] <flayer> nice
L2[00:11:48] <flayer> meanwhile, my shuttle
launch design (basically copied off the dynawing) turns out to
launch better if i don't touch the controls at all, despite veering
way off at the start
L3[00:18:17] <Althego> hehe
L4[00:18:26] <Althego> the auto turn
achieved
L5[00:18:29] <Althego> i could never master
that
L6[00:19:26] <flayer> well, i have to take
control at about 20 km for the staging, but yeah
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L8[00:28:09] <raptop> All hail the true
gravity turn
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L10[00:30:31] <Althego> wasnt there a ksc
biome?
L11[00:30:45] <Althego> that was just
outside the runway for example
L12[00:30:52] <Althego> or do i remember
incorrectly?
L13[00:31:15] <Althego> not it is
shores
L14[00:31:19] <Althego> *now
L15[00:33:09] <flayer> the little patches
between the buildings
L16[00:33:13] <flayer> triangles
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L18[00:33:33] <flayer> check which parts
aren't selectable as buildings
L19[00:33:55] <flayer> between mission
control and VAB there is one
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L21[00:37:46] <Althego> in a way this is
better, i dont have to go to the actual shore for the shore
L22[00:37:55] <raptop> There still is one
by the runway, yes
L23[00:38:17] <raptop> going north, east,
or south from the pad tends to mean hitting the shores biome
L24[00:38:27] <raptop> (and remember:
splashed and landed are seperate situations!)
L25[00:40:25] <Althego> i used to roll off
the runway with a capsule to get the ksc
L26[00:40:38] <Althego> but it is shores
now
L27[00:40:42] <Althego> maybe i went too
far?
L28[00:40:52] <flayer> all the triangles
are 'ksc biome'
L29[00:40:58] <flayer> and the
trapezes
L30[00:41:03] <flayer> lok
L31[00:41:04] <flayer> lok
L32[00:41:06] <flayer> loook
L33[00:41:19] <flayer> highlight the
mission control in the KSC view
L34[00:41:22] <flayer> then highlight the
VAB
L35[00:41:29] <flayer> and look at the
little triangle in between them
L36[00:41:32] <flayer> how it is not
highlighted
L37[00:41:39] <flayer> because it is
neither mission control, nor VAB -- it is KSC
L38[00:42:09] <Althego> those are far away
for a capsule
L39[00:42:42] <Althego> to get there i need
wheels
L40[00:42:45] <flayer> those are the KSC
biome
L41[00:44:20] <raptop> Althego: ah, go
north or south of the runway instead?
L42[00:44:45] <raptop> Also, you can do
silly things with a partially fuelled RT-5
L43[00:45:10] <raptop> And on a related
note, high kerbin orbit has a multiplier 5x that of landed
L44[00:45:20] <Althego> yes but as i
remember for the ksc biome i only needed to roll off the runway in
older versions
L45[00:46:28] <raptop> yeah, at some point
it changed
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L50[02:10:24] <Althego> hah and there is
scott's commentary
L52[02:10:35] <Althego> i expected it
tomorrow
L53[02:14:10] <flayer> oh they lost
control
L54[02:14:19] <flayer> that's no good
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L59[04:15:50] <packbart> should've tested
it in KSP! always unlock the spare battery *before*
decoupling/depleting the active ones
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L94[12:05:56] <hoglahoo> lol I'm such an
idiot. Just started playing again yesterday after not having played
in a year or two and I wanted to start with a network of comm
satellites around earth
L95[12:06:12] <hoglahoo> so I figured I
think I want polar orbit. Then I thought oh yeah I want
geostationary
L96[12:06:34] <hoglahoo> so I did polar
orbit at 37,000 km....
L97[12:06:36] <hoglahoo> looool
L98[12:07:06] <raptop> oops
L99[12:07:53] <hoglahoo> 35,000 km.
whatever. but yeah they are not geostationary :)
L100[12:07:54] <raptop> I'd argue that
some highly eccentric polar orbits with very different LANs would
be useful, though
L101[12:08:36] <hoglahoo> maybe. what does
your argument have in mind?
L102[12:10:27] <raptop> The simple version
would be something like one sat that hangs out over each pole
L103[12:10:45] <raptop> More complex would
involve molinya orbits or a dram(sp) tetrahedron
L104[12:13:13] <raptop> *draim
tetrahedron
L105[12:13:31] <hoglahoo> o_O
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L114[13:16:23] <flayer> hoglahoo, lmao
that is some epic thought processes
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L118[14:03:25] <hoglahoo> ty :)
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L147[21:30:02] <raptop> Oh, come on. The
Design Reference Architecture 5.0 is paywalled?
L148[21:30:26] <Althego> what is
that?
L149[21:30:55] <raptop> Official NASA
design study for a Mars mission, with versions from somewhere in
the early 90s to 2017
L151[21:31:14] <Althego> in which they
copied zubrin :)
L152[21:31:26] <raptop> well, yes
L153[21:31:44] <Althego> and doesnt
matter. at this point it is irrelevant, elon will be there
first
L154[21:32:29] <raptop> The whole
"NASA vs SpaceX" thing is silly because it'll most likely
be NASA astronauts in a SpaceX vehicle
L155[21:32:52] <raptop> But, uh, I wanted
to check some things on surface stays and transit times
L156[21:33:19] <Althego> in that sense it
is silly. but the thing is, nasa cant make it this fast, or maybe
ever on their own
L157[21:33:53] <raptop> NASA's crewed
spaceflight has been b0rked since sometime in the 70s, yes
L158[21:35:15] <raptop> "The
displayed crewed profile corresponds to the all-propulsive
opportunity with transit times of 174 days outbound and 201 days
inbound. The crew’s Mars stay time would be 539 days, and the total
mission duration would be 914 days."
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L160[21:39:59] <fda_approved> hello
everyone
L161[21:40:57] <raptop> greetings, I
think.
L162[21:40:59] <raptop> Are you
edible?
L163[21:41:57] <raptop> huh, DRA 5.0
favors NTRs
L164[21:43:11] <raptop> Oh no, it assumes
Ares V HLVs
L165[21:43:30] <fda_approved> i was
approved by the fda
L166[21:43:48] <fda_approved> skeet skeet
yeet yeet
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L168[21:44:02] <raptop> ...
L169[21:44:13] <raptop> Well, I can't say
I didn't make an effort
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L176[21:54:17] <Althego> hehe
L177[21:54:50] <raptop> At present,
drilling is still something of an art, requiring an understanding
of both the nature of the material being drilled – or, at least, a
best guess of the nature of that material – and the equipment being
used. While drilling is a candidate for a high level of automation,
it is likely that human supervision for purposes of “fine-tuning”
the
L178[21:54:55] <Althego> you dont need
ntr
L179[21:54:59] <Althego> just as zubrin
said
L180[21:55:09] <raptop> operations and
intervening to stop drilling would remain a hallmark of this
activity. Core samples would be retrieved by the crew and put
through an appropriate curation process before eventual
analysis.
L181[21:55:19] *
raptop stares at Insight
L182[21:55:44] <raptop> yeah, also the
good news is that their assumptions about metholox engines are
probably more conservative than reality (yay, raptor)
L183[21:55:45] <Althego> hehe
L184[21:59:03] <raptop> Anyway, that's not
an especially long PDF. Even if it's very NASA
L185[21:59:32] <raptop> granted, it's just
a summary
L186[22:00:21] <raptop> ...NTRS is
down
L187[22:01:30] <Althego> probably no
nuclear rocket
L188[22:02:00] <Althego> but there could
be some rtg based power generation on board for martian stay
L189[22:02:10] <Althego> i liked the
kilopower reactor
L190[22:04:59] <raptop> more reactors
would be cool
L192[22:09:57] <raptop> ...parts of that
are orange-hot?
L193[22:10:06] <Althego> during operation,
yes
L194[22:10:17] <Althego> basically it is
an rtg with a stirling engine
L195[22:10:31] <Althego> which has higher
performance than thermocouples
L197[22:12:16] <raptop> ASRTG?
L198[22:12:34] <raptop> ah, not
quite
L199[22:12:53] <Althego> well, it is a
very simple reactor, that you can turn on or off
L200[22:12:57] <Althego> so not really
rtg
L201[22:13:08] <Althego> but almost as
simple
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