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L1[00:00:03] <Deddly> Breaking Ground, though... full-on robotics (hinges, motors, programmable controller), propellers and helicopter blades, motors... plus all the science and exploration stuff
L2[00:00:15] <Black_Eagle> but even then i gotta think twice if i want to support t2
L3[00:00:25] <Deddly> Yeah .625 is a very neglected size
L4[00:01:12] <Black_Eagle> one mod i tried (!!!) had some 625 parts and it changed everything
L5[00:01:24] <Deddly> .625 SRBs are soooo nice, though
L6[00:01:26] <Black_Eagle> for example a small nuke
L7[00:02:03] <Deddly> Are the mini SRBs in the stock game or are they DLC content?
L8[00:02:52] <Black_Eagle> i'll check really quickly
L9[00:04:03] <Black_Eagle> stock
L10[00:04:55] <Deddly> https://i.imgur.com/zGvPDfY.png
L11[00:05:04] <Black_Eagle> nice!
L12[00:05:07] <Deddly> So useful :)
L13[00:05:18] <Black_Eagle> heh
L14[00:05:53] <Black_Eagle> i just like making tiny space planes and i wonder if i could make a Lf only but with moar boosters
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L16[00:15:26] <Judge_Dedd> chanlog
L17[00:15:26] <Mod9000> I keep channel logs here: bitcoinshell.mooo.com/users/deddly/?C=M;O=D
L18[00:15:58] <Judge_Dedd> You mean LF + SRB?
L19[00:16:25] <Judge_Dedd> We're not talking about SSTO, presumably?
L20[00:16:53] <Judge_Dedd> SRB+Xenon would be a good combination for a mini spaceplane
L21[00:20:22] <UmbralRaptop> The new boosters have lots of ΔV, even the small one (just mind the payload)
L22[00:20:32] <Black_Eagle> Judge_Dedd: indeed lf+srb and one stage (to get rid of the srbs)
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L24[00:20:48] <Black_Eagle> but srb + xenon sounds interesting too
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L27[01:22:40] <Mat2ch> packbart: yeah, no idea what to think of it. Did Star Theory screw up? Was it a hostile overtake?
L28[01:22:42] <Mat2ch> What happend there?
L29[01:51:27] <Judge_Dedd> Mat2ch, see backscroll
L30[01:51:53] <Judge_Dedd> Black_Eagle and I were talking about it a little while back
L31[01:53:39] <Judge_Dedd> Black_Eagle, I think SRB+Xenon is an interesting idea because the ion thrusters do come in size 0
L32[01:58:44] <Mat2ch> Judge_Dedd: but that's so much too read ;)
L33[01:58:46] <Mat2ch> will do anyway
L34[01:59:00] <Mat2ch> but first, SN6 thrust structure flip
L35[01:59:06] <Mat2ch> flip it!
L36[01:59:11] <Mat2ch> flip it now!
L37[01:59:37] <Judge_Dedd> What's SN6?
L38[01:59:53] <Judge_Dedd> Oh wait, are we talking about Starship?
L39[02:00:04] <Judge_Dedd> They have SN6 already?
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L41[02:04:07] <Mat2ch> SN4 was blown up, SN5 is waiting for the test stand to get ready and SN6 is already getting stacked
L42[02:04:25] <Mat2ch> SN7 has some parts done and also we might have seen parts for SN8
L43[02:04:49] <Mat2ch> At that rate we might see tests with SN5 next week
L44[02:06:50] <Judge_Dedd> Cool. What's the "structure flip" about?
L45[02:08:49] <Mat2ch> That's the part where the engines are mounted to
L46[02:09:02] <Mat2ch> they weld this upside down, which makes it easier I guess
L47[02:09:07] <Mat2ch> and then it has to be flipped
L48[02:09:16] <Mat2ch> and after that they can stack everything else ontop of it
L49[02:10:28] <Mat2ch> Judge_Dedd: adding to your discussion: Voting with the wallet is something you have to have the privilege to. Many people life just day by day and have to go for the low-cost things.
L50[02:11:08] <Mat2ch> And that's how they also buy games, which are a cheap recreation choice, when you don't want to watch tv
L51[02:11:46] <Mat2ch> Well, this might scratch politics here, so I'm going to stop
L52[02:11:50] <Judge_Dedd> Valid points.
L53[02:12:40] <Judge_Dedd> I don't think it's gone into politics quite yet, but I can see how easily it could do :)
L54[02:13:17] <Judge_Dedd> Thanks for the explanation about the flipping structure
L55[02:16:21] <Mat2ch> Then let me add one last sentence: We live in a very complex world and I spent too much time each day already trying to make sense of it. And I'm well educated and therefore very privileged, but I still can't comprehend it all. Many others don't neither have the knowledge, nor the luxury of time to do this. Also it slowly drives me mad, because I have often have to do decisions between
L56[02:16:23] <Mat2ch> buying the cheap stuff and therefore supporting exploiting workforce or just stay hungry
L57[02:16:40] <Mat2ch> Also I watch the SN update videos, so ask if you want to know more :)
L58[02:17:09] <Mat2ch> (I want more robots doing the labor intensive work!)
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L60[02:19:06] <Mat2ch> also my mood today: https://xkcd.com/2315/ ;)
L61[02:26:06] <Judge_Dedd> Hehe
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L64[03:01:59] <Mat2ch> yeah, when working alone on a project it's sometimes hard to motivate myself
L65[03:05:14] <Althego> https://twitter.com/nickwalton00/status/1239619179721797633
L66[03:05:14] <kmath> <nickwalton00> Someone on Reddit used AI Dungeon to generate Coronavirus advice. It started out pretty good and then got creepy... https://t.co/Z8spk6aCjp
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L69[03:08:30] <Judge_Dedd> Nice, if it's true
L70[03:08:36] <Judge_Dedd> "someone"
L71[03:09:00] <Judge_Dedd> I dunno. I read that as "I made this. Would have been funny if it came from an AI"
L72[03:14:30] <Althego> wow scott released a video when i could have watched it
L73[03:14:37] <Althego> but i was not looking for it because i was working
L74[03:20:43] <Mat2ch> "working"
L75[03:20:45] <Mat2ch> ;)
L76[03:20:53] <Mat2ch> I did some funky c++ stuff today and I'm not ashamed of it.
L77[03:22:40] <Mat2ch> also I haven't tried them yet. So could still be crap ;)
L78[03:24:44] <Mat2ch> Works. Nice. Noone should know. ;)
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L80[03:45:59] <Judge_Dedd> Interesting. I just found out that Atheism is defined as a religious belief in Sweden
L81[03:46:03] <Judge_Dedd> Hehe
L82[03:46:09] <Althego> hehe
L83[03:46:13] <Judge_Dedd> Funny definition
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L88[04:23:31] <sandbox> how odd https://www.flightradar24.com/ASCOT491/24a0ea1d
L89[04:24:22] <sandbox> it's cloudy and it was quite low
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L92[04:37:45] <Judge_Dedd> Just took off
L93[04:39:01] <Althego> why is this interesting?
L94[04:42:35] <sandbox> flying in circles
L95[04:42:53] <sandbox> there must be something on
L96[04:43:37] <Althego> holding pattern or practice
L97[04:45:23] <packbart> "Air Support Command Operational Transport" - flying truck
L98[04:46:05] <VanDisaster> ascot is just a callsign
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L100[04:46:22] <VanDisaster> zoom in, it was doing circuits at edinburgh airport
L101[04:46:33] <Althego> which is logical if you try to land
L102[04:46:48] <VanDisaster> well, touch & goes
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L104[04:47:00] <Althego> and in that case it is a practice
L105[04:47:02] <VanDisaster> use adsbexchange, it's got more tracks
L106[04:47:35] <sandbox> wouldn't have noticed it otherwise, I'm not near the airport
L107[04:48:18] <VanDisaster> ther' another one down south visiting airports
L108[04:48:20] <packbart> FR24 filters some military flights and police helictopters
L109[04:48:24] <sandbox> I could see it out the window
L110[04:49:23] <packbart> VanDisaster: right, even more loops. https://www.flightradar24.com/ASCOT465/24a0ebd2
L111[04:49:32] <VanDisaster> https://tar1090.adsbexchange.com/?icao=43c5ed
L112[04:49:46] <packbart> well, let them enjoy the weather ;)
L113[04:50:00] <sandbox> the weather isn't good
L114[04:50:20] <Althego> dont worry, no taxpayer money is wasted on the fuel, since jets dont even use fuel to begin with :)
L115[04:50:30] <Althego> ok in this case turboprop, but almost
L116[04:50:41] <Althego> idiotic conspiracies
L117[04:51:09] <VanDisaster> and rockets dont' work in space because there's nothing to push against, right? :D
L118[04:51:15] <Althego> yes, that too
L119[04:51:49] <Althego> rockets hit the dome, cant fly out of low earth orbit because of van allen belts, the moon is just a light in the sky, etc
L120[04:52:31] <packbart> I wouldn't stand 5G for long, either
L121[04:52:49] <packbart> -5 would be worse, though
L122[04:52:50] <Althego> ah yes, 5g causes covid-19
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L125[05:07:12] <Mat2ch> boring. That's just holding loops, because the runway is not clear
L126[05:17:00] <Mat2ch> also boring, they're landing at Stornoway
L127[05:18:58] <Mat2ch> no, they're climbing again
L128[05:19:23] <Mat2ch> and flying back. So, now you can start your conspiracy theories. I say training flight ;)
L129[05:21:13] <packbart> or just testing runways that haven't seen any planes in a while before the passenger planes arrive
L130[05:22:47] <Mat2ch> They didn't touch down on Stornoway
L131[05:22:56] <Mat2ch> on? in? at?
L132[05:23:12] <Mat2ch> and all the other airports see a few flights per day
L133[05:23:16] <Mat2ch> but nothing like before
L134[05:23:32] <Mat2ch> (and hopefully never. I fear for this summer, I have no AC )
L135[05:24:08] <packbart> the new office doesn
L136[05:24:19] <packbart> err, doesn't have one installed, yet, either
L137[05:24:25] <Mat2ch> oh no, they're turning
L138[05:27:00] * Judge_Dedd reads backscroll
L139[05:28:15] <Judge_Dedd> Rockets don't even try going to space. Watch any launch - they go sideways! They even say so if you listen in on the secret chat that they accidentally broadcast every time
L140[05:28:27] <Judge_Dedd> They say "pitching downrange"
L141[05:29:04] * Judge_Dedd feels dirty for writing that
L142[05:29:07] <packbart> well of course they go sideways, then drop below the disc and get eaten by the turtle
L143[05:29:20] <packbart> everybodyknowsthat
L144[05:29:51] <Judge_Dedd> OH RIGHT! That's what it's all about! They have to feed the turtle otherwise it will swim underwater looking for food and we'll all drown
L145[05:30:06] <Judge_Dedd> And it'll flood the hollow earth completely
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L147[05:48:53] <Althego> what if... earth is flat AND hollow?
L148[05:49:04] <Althego> then it would float nicely without the turtle too
L149[05:49:26] <VanDisaster> a hollow 2d structure
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L151[05:50:57] <Althego> flat does not mean it needs to be without thickness
L152[05:51:29] <Althego> flat earther phrase: water is flat and level
L153[05:51:39] <Althego> flat also doesnt mean level
L154[05:52:53] <sandbox> cat earth, if it was flat, the cats would have pushed everything off it by now
L155[05:54:41] <Althego> oh yes, jets dont use fuel, but jet fuel cant melt steel beams :)
L156[05:57:25] <darsie> Argon can melt steel beams, too.
L157[06:01:27] <hatrix> found my problem, I forgot that a day was 6 hours
L158[06:01:51] <hatrix> so my calculations were all wrong
L159[06:03:06] <Mostly_Deddly> Ah, you were on metric days
L160[06:04:18] <hatrix> now I need to get the maximum distance I can used for my satellites
L161[06:04:29] <hatrix> so that I know how many I need in my relay network
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L164[06:07:30] <hatrix> where can I find the rating of antennas?
L165[06:07:35] <hatrix> I don't see it on the wiki
L166[06:08:09] <Althego> then in the config files :)
L167[06:10:43] <Mostly_Deddly> hatrix, https://i.imgur.com/o9oFp4W.png
L168[06:12:39] <Mostly_Deddly> Actually, this one's newer https://i.imgur.com/BqglcNH.png
L169[06:13:29] <hatrix> I need the rating of individual antennas so that I can solve some equations
L170[06:15:47] <packbart> it shows in the part info in the VAB. and there's something on the Wiki. https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/CommNet#Range_calculation
L171[06:16:25] <packbart> of course, there's also an App for that. https://spacedock.info/mod/1730/Antenna%20Helper
L172[06:16:32] <hatrix> ok so the VAB it is :)
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L174[06:29:35] <hatrix> 3 satellites in geosync orbit of Kerbin should be able to talk with each other with just this one apparently https://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/HG-5_High_Gain_Antenna
L175[06:29:48] <hatrix> but I'm not so sure
L176[06:30:31] <Althego> the hg-5 is awesome
L177[06:32:20] <packbart> two sats with a HG-5 each can talk up to a distance of 5000km. that's a bit short for synchronous orbit?
L178[06:33:05] <Althego> hmm, can be, i always use them as relay around kerbin, and then they jsut need to commuicate with hte nearest ground station
L179[06:33:14] <Althego> which is closer
L180[06:33:25] <Althego> but actually i never cared for synchronoous orbit
L181[06:33:26] <hatrix> my calculations say the distance between the sats is 4959.43km :)
L182[06:33:35] <Althego> because 3 is enough except for the poles
L183[06:33:57] <Althego> unless you use some special mod, you dont need to put them in kerbin sync orbiy
L184[06:34:00] <VanDisaster> I only ever used one synchronous sat doing RT
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L186[06:34:24] <VanDisaster> stuck it over KSC just to act as a huge antenna
L187[06:34:24] <hatrix> what orbit would you use for a relay network around kerbin ?
L188[06:34:39] * packbart just drops a triangle of relays around Kerbin, Mun and Minmus - and maybe one or two over the poles
L189[06:35:06] <packbart> although I was thinking about actually trying to set up the patented tetrahedral constellation in $this career
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L191[06:36:56] <packbart> (I used this table to cheat the orbits in a sandbox - https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/155188-orbital-parameters-for-a-tetrahedral-satellite-constellation/ )
L192[06:39:07] <hatrix> screenshot broken :(
L193[06:39:38] <packbart> there's more info here: https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/31013-scenariotetrahedral-satellite-configuration-4-sat-full-surface-coverage/ or there: http://arc.aiaa.org/doi/abs/10.2514/3.20047
L194[06:39:49] <packbart> it's a 4-sat constellation that provides 100% coverage all the time
L195[06:40:32] <hatrix> ah yes saw it once
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L197[06:42:32] <Althego> https://twitter.com/NASAInSight/status/1268208324261982208
L198[06:42:32] <kmath> <✔NASAInSight> After several assists from my robotic arm, the mole appears to be underground. It’s been a real challenge troublesh… https://t.co/6EqYXRDkdh
L199[06:42:35] <Althego> save the mole
L200[06:42:44] <packbart> unless you plan extensive missions around the poles, the equatorial 3-sat triangle usually is good enough and far easier to set up, imo
L201[06:43:37] <hatrix> ok now I need to figure out how combining antennas work, the wiki makes it difficult to understand
L202[06:43:57] <hatrix> one H-G5 per sat is not enough for Rhode :/
L203[06:44:21] <VanDisaster> I can't find any sensible screenshots, I think these are from my first RT game ... apparently my answer to "which orbits" was "yes" - https://imgur.com/a/dpQL1Dp
L204[06:44:33] <packbart> well, if you ignore the arbitrary "combination factor", the equation is simple. sqrt((range1*n1)*(range2*n2))
L205[06:45:07] <hatrix> what's n1 and n2?
L206[06:45:13] <packbart> most antennas use 0.75, iirc (not sure if that shows up in the part info)
L207[06:45:22] <packbart> the number of antennas of the same type
L208[06:46:07] <hatrix> and that gives the rating of the vessel?
L209[06:47:47] <packbart> so, a relay with 5 RA-100 talking to a probe with a single HG-5 would have a max distance of sqrt(100G*5*0.75*5M), so, uh, about 1.3Gm, if I didn't botch the calculation?
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L211[06:48:16] <hatrix> ok os used .75
L212[06:48:52] <hatrix> https://htx.fr/images/2020-04-06_15-48-37.png
L213[06:49:02] <hatrix> that's the equation on the wiki
L214[06:49:38] <hatrix> that's a lot VanDisaster :)
L215[06:50:00] <VanDisaster> yes :p I think I went "oh I should use geosync"
L216[06:50:13] <VanDisaster> and then realised after that I shouldn't & what I need are lots of low orbit
L217[06:50:22] <VanDisaster> and then realised I needed polar orbits instead :p
L218[06:50:27] <Althego> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2_yl6bJmHQ
L219[06:50:28] <kmath> YouTube - The Key to Finding Life Elsewhere in the Universe: Purple Planets?!?
L220[06:50:33] <VanDisaster> and then built some space station covered in antennae
L221[06:50:33] <Althego> hmm purple planets... eve
L222[06:50:49] <packbart> VanDisaster: what's making those hexagons on the planet surface?
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L224[06:50:58] <VanDisaster> that was kethane, I think
L225[06:51:08] <VanDisaster> ancient resource mod
L226[06:51:35] <hatrix> with 3 sats I've got 3913 km to cover, that means 2 HG-5 with a distance of 8400 km should be good
L227[06:51:36] <packbart> yeah, I heard about it. ScanSat and EL recommend it
L228[06:52:19] <Althego> but funny as it is, there is polygonal soil forming naturally on earth
L229[06:54:55] <VanDisaster> giant bees on the way
L230[06:55:54] * bees are buzzing
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L235[07:36:05] <JVFoxy> Video showed up in my recommended: Chrysler's shuttle proposal? Some sorta fat cone thing?
L236[07:37:58] <packbart> this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_SERV
L237[07:38:12] <packbart> na, that's old. hmm
L238[07:38:54] <packbart> ah, right. not a current proposal, I see
L239[07:39:18] <packbart> ( and yeah, interesting artist's impression https://eu.freep.com/story/money/business/2019/03/09/chrysler-tried-build-better-space-shuttle/3097167002/ )
L240[07:40:34] <JVFoxy> 'Going launch a MURP!' 'Sorry.. did you burp?'
L241[07:43:34] <JVFoxy> Ah well.. some alternate-history material...
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L259[10:53:14] <JVFoxy> Heh.. 6 tourists into orbit. Ok so.. just stick two Mk1-3's back to back
L260[10:53:54] <Althego> or take one pilot with you in an capsule and a hitchiker, at least there is somebody to drive
L261[10:53:58] <Althego> and has better shape
L262[10:54:01] <JVFoxy> huh... all six females
L263[10:55:02] <Judge_Dedd> Are they singing?
L264[10:55:08] <Judge_Dedd> They could be the Space Girls
L265[10:55:21] <JVFoxy> ya only I did the mk1-3+hitchike can thing doesn't exactly like re-entry.. at least not straight
L266[10:55:49] <darsie> 2.5 m cargo bay with command seats is most economic.
L267[10:56:06] <Althego> hehe
L268[10:56:16] <darsie> Can make two rings with 8 seats each.
L269[10:56:18] <Althego> then you dont even need the cargo bay, just the seats :)
L270[10:56:26] <JVFoxy> I've got a system where the two mk1-3s will separate from each other, land on their own shutes
L271[10:56:28] <JVFoxy> *chuts
L272[10:56:33] <JVFoxy> blah.. ok wahtever
L273[10:57:19] <JVFoxy> can't do command seats, not unlocked yet
L274[10:58:12] <JVFoxy> ok granted, its a seat, but unlock is at the 300 tier?
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L276[11:00:06] <JVFoxy> huh.. know anyone named Robin in the space industry? Or this just by chance? Robin Kerman..
L277[11:00:17] <Althego> hehe
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L279[11:00:51] <JVFoxy> and away we go
L280[11:00:58] <Althego> and when that kerbal is fat, the nickname is round robin
L281[11:01:28] <Mat2ch> the puns are hanging low today
L282[11:01:28] <JVFoxy> so fat, your kerbal has its own gravity well
L283[11:02:51] <Althego> i dont know anybody famous related to space with the name robin
L284[11:03:12] <JVFoxy> aw... can only do 5 kerbal portaits.. guess one kerbal left out unless I scroll over one
L285[11:03:22] <darsie> Can't transfer crew to a command seat.
L286[11:03:24] <Althego> 5?
L287[11:03:34] <Althego> i think you can increase the number of images qu9te a lot
L288[11:03:36] <JVFoxy> you can add or take away slots
L289[11:03:42] <Althego> but may depend on screen resolution
L290[11:03:45] <JVFoxy> mostly depends on screen res
L291[11:03:50] <JVFoxy> running 1080
L292[11:03:58] <Althego> yes that is pretty small
L293[11:04:36] <JVFoxy> well I aint trying to run 4k
L294[11:05:09] <JVFoxy> I used to run 720.. could only get two at a time
L295[11:05:41] <Althego> we need a mod that poses all the kerbals in the rocket for a picture
L296[11:05:54] <Althego> possibly in front of the vab or the rocket
L297[11:07:17] <Judge_Dedd> I don't like launching people in command seats. Seems cheaty
L298[11:07:47] <Althego> yes even i hold myself to the principle to have some kind of cabin for the crew
L299[11:07:48] <Judge_Dedd> Also, I like to imagine that I'm giving real people a ride rather than min-maxing in a game. So I want them to have a nice capsule to ride in
L300[11:08:32] <Judge_Dedd> And, if possible, the craft should look cool - something that a rich person might want to pay a lot of money to have a ride in
L301[11:08:43] <JVFoxy> ya... gotta have standards. ;)
L302[11:09:01] <Althego> just ask the gutamaya corporation :)
L303[11:09:57] <JVFoxy> Althego: I had thought of a mod that would add a museum of sorts to your spaceport..
L304[11:10:12] <JVFoxy> hadn't considered the 'posing with craft' idea...
L305[11:10:21] <Althego> like first craft in orbit, firstc raft on the mun, etc?
L306[11:10:59] <JVFoxy> ya something like that.. I guess I took inspiration from Project Gotham Racing
L307[11:11:20] <Althego> i would imagine something like this https://www.nasa.gov/images/content/122541main_STS121-S-002_516.jpg
L308[11:11:52] <JVFoxy> They had a carshow sort of thing you could Firstperson through, look at the cars.
L309[11:12:07] <Althego> how big the museum would be?
L310[11:12:13] <Althego> with original size replicas?
L311[11:12:23] <Althego> or some miniatures?
L312[11:13:03] <JVFoxy> lol... might have 'tweekscale' a bit.. I guess? It was mostly an idea at the time
L313[11:13:36] <Althego> even humans have some real spacecraft in museums
L314[11:13:39] <Althego> mostly the reentry part
L315[11:13:43] <Althego> except for the shuttle
L316[11:13:52] <JVFoxy> NASA's first space battle cruiser on display.. (like in the Battlestar Galatica remake anyone?)
L317[11:13:57] <Althego> although that is the reentry part
L318[11:15:05] <JVFoxy> shuttle, part rocket, part spacecraft, part airplane.. er wait.. glider
L319[11:15:49] <JVFoxy> some people would say brick with wings, but it actually does glide. A brick would just go straight down
L320[11:16:04] <Althego> it glides with the same ratio as the osprey
L321[11:17:13] <JVFoxy> laden or unladenned?
L322[11:17:26] <Althego> african or european?
L323[11:17:59] <JVFoxy> seen mention of airspeed of a swallow, but they weren't sure if it was on an empty stomach or full
L324[11:18:20] <packbart> clay or concrete?
L325[11:18:33] <packbart> do not underestimate the aerodynamics of a good brick ;)
L326[11:18:59] <Althego> must capsules returning are an even more brick like object
L327[11:19:06] <Althego> and they still fly a little
L328[11:19:37] <Althego> oh btw, flying brick, when is the mars 2020 launch?
L329[11:19:38] <raptop> The Apollo CM had an L/D of what, 0.5?
L330[11:19:56] <JVFoxy> that story.. they were testing airplane windows by shooting birds into them with a cannon. Couldn't figure out what was going on, all the tests were failing. Someone asked, 'did you remember to thaw the birds first?'
L331[11:20:06] <raptop> Althego: NET July 17
L332[11:20:21] <Althego> thanks
L333[11:20:25] <Althego> a little bit more than a month
L334[11:20:27] <Althego> it is close
L335[11:20:50] <Althego> which means landing is in 2021 for sure
L336[11:21:14] <JVFoxy> oh.. rover
L337[11:21:28] <raptop> JVFoxy: sadly https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/catapoultry/
L338[11:21:32] <JVFoxy> lol.. was thinking, SpaceX really on a roll.. going to Mars already?
L339[11:21:33] <Althego> it was called 2020 for so long that i always forget it has a real name now
L340[11:21:59] <Althego> hehe yes on a roll for explosions with the starship
L341[11:22:06] <JVFoxy> Raptop I still remember the episode Mythbuster did on the subject
L342[11:22:13] <Althego> and we still dont know why it exploded last time
L343[11:22:28] <Althego> the border crossing thing?
L344[11:22:38] <raptop> "before switching to fake birds, the U.S. Air Force traditionally launched frozen ones."
L345[11:22:44] <JVFoxy> frozen bird vs warm shot against window
L346[11:22:57] <Althego> ah the bird thing, i thought catapult means the border crossing
L347[11:23:08] <JVFoxy> Althego didn't Scott say he thinks a fracture in the base possibly caused it?
L348[11:23:29] <Althego> even if he thinks, we dont know
L349[11:23:39] <Althego> spacex probably knows already
L350[11:24:14] <JVFoxy> ... canon = catapult?
L351[11:25:36] <JVFoxy> eh anyways..
L352[11:31:02] <packbart> catapults are not the best launchers. you'd reach the highest speed deep in the atmosphere and you'd still need a second stage to accelerate to orbit
L353[11:31:29] <Althego> just get rid of th eatmosphere
L354[11:31:51] <packbart> call the Mega Maid
L355[11:32:17] <Althego> hehe
L356[11:32:45] <Althego> the password is 1...
L357[11:33:38] <Althego> hehe when i was still in simulation, and in the itar room, we were required to have a closable safe. as soon as it arrived i changed its code to 12345 :)
L358[11:34:58] <Althego> (there was never anything important in it. a small ball, a horn, a poem about the GA project, stuff like that)
L359[11:37:19] <JVFoxy> I woulda 54321 just to mess with people
L360[11:37:29] <JVFoxy> or 911...
L361[11:37:38] <Althego> no it had to be 12345 because of the movie
L362[11:37:56] <Althego> 911 is the service menu of the asys transports
L363[11:38:00] <Althego> also 199
L364[11:38:15] <Althego> an even more service menu
L365[11:41:29] <JVFoxy> I knew of the move ref
L366[11:42:09] <JVFoxy> friend I used to visit would play it in the background at home all the time as something to kill the silence. Didn't care much for music
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L368[11:54:17] <JVFoxy> lol.. whoops, nearly landed on KSC..
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L371[11:56:03] <flayer> whoops or "nearly perfect" ?
L372[11:58:09] <JVFoxy> sorry about dark pictures.. https://imgur.com/a/0LNyuxk
L373[11:58:50] <Althego> if i can land on the flat area around ksc i say it was acceptably close
L374[11:59:19] <JVFoxy> was intending to land on the water.. heatshield on both exploded on touchdown
L375[11:59:44] <Althego> the capsules themselves are really tough, who cares about a burnt heat shield
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L379[12:00:42] <Althego> i always struggle with this. heatshield or heat shield. looks like it is two words
L380[12:03:33] <JVFoxy> ah.. quick look-up. Heat shield is the proper way.. Heatshield is some product
L381[12:04:22] <Althego> english is mostly separating the words. but not always. so why isnt it space craft then?
L382[12:04:35] <JVFoxy> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/heatshield
L383[12:04:48] <JVFoxy> I guess it can be either way... though aeroshell can also be used
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L385[12:06:11] <JVFoxy> I remember reading something a while back, talking about how strict and formal punctuation and the likes are becoming a bit less relevant in the age of typing...?
L386[12:09:03] <JVFoxy> maybe I'm thinking of the double spaces after the period and how its not really used any more?
L387[12:09:27] <Althego> never a space comma :)
L388[12:09:39] <Althego> space comma, it can happen to you too
L389[12:12:39] <Althego> another really dumb thing i hate. the hungarian language is almost completely phonetical. except for a few things. like j and ly. both denote the same sound. but for proper written words you have to know which one to use. really annoying useless vestige
L390[12:18:15] <JVFoxy> each language has its own nuances.. ya..
L391[12:19:21] <JVFoxy> wee... now to do a mun orbit mission, but first, pickup someone who got stranded in LKO along the way.
L392[12:21:08] <JVFoxy> lol.. whoops, go to tap pitch up key, instead hit X, cut all engines
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L411[14:41:19] <Mod9000> Hello, kerbal_man
L412[14:44:44] <raptop> \o
L413[14:46:58] <darsie> .
L414[14:47:47] <raptop> sudo chmod +x /usr/jkerman
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L452[16:30:15] <packbart> CommnetConstellations fixed the bug with flickering commnet lines in the map. I like. That bug kept me from using it. Now antennas have network numbers/"frequencies" again
L453[16:31:57] <packbart> it also helps with the disbelief and gives the "probe control point" some use.
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L464[17:54:55] <Guest75077> hi I was wondering if I could get some in site into the removal of the game from Geforce Now
L465[17:57:24] <catalograptop> ?
L466[17:58:53] <Guest75077> Geforce now is a cloud streaming service from Nvidia that (for a small fee ) allows you to use powerful computers by streaming the video output from that powerful computer to your own less powerful one
L467[18:00:31] <Guest75077> You buy the game the normal way through steam the only difference is that you are playing it from some server somewhere else, I see no reason why it should have been removed
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L471[18:05:10] <raptop> It might be worth emailing the devs directly.
L472[18:06:03] <Guest75077> i have been trying to get in contact but I have nothing higher than the twitter account which does not respond to me
L473[18:06:56] <raptop> support@kerbalspaceprogram.com ?
L474[18:07:20] <raptop> There's also a general questions email listed at https://www.kerbalspaceprogram.com/support/
L475[18:07:29] <Guest75077> ok thanks
L476[18:10:28] <raptop> Sorry for saying "go talk to these other people", but there are relatively few actual Squad employees here
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L501[21:53:12] <cringe> ISS Urine Tank Level: 13%
L502[21:54:21] <Althego> hah
L503[21:54:27] <Althego> it"s been a long time
L504[21:54:41] <cringe> been busy
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L506[21:55:02] <TheKosmonaut> Oh good
L507[21:55:09] <TheKosmonaut> I was worried that it was full
L508[21:55:35] <cringe> clean water 64%, waste water 48%
L509[21:55:41] <cringe> things are movin'
L510[21:57:09] <Althego> was it ver full?
L511[21:57:13] <Althego> ever
L512[21:57:39] <cringe> iirc, 92% was the highest i've ever seen
L513[21:58:22] <cringe> didn't need as much o2 production, so clean water backed up
L514[21:58:34] <cringe> which backed up waste water
L515[21:58:43] <cringe> which backed up urine tank
L516[21:59:07] <cringe> and i think they ended up doing some sort of exterior release
L517[21:59:29] <Althego> for the oxygen, or for the waste water?
L518[21:59:31] <cringe> or at least, that was the theory
L519[21:59:36] <flayer> 20 bucks on my first spacewalk i get splashed by astronaut pee
L520[21:59:50] <cringe> wastewater
L521[22:00:20] <cringe> i haven't looked at the blueprints in a long time, but either the waste water tank or the urine tank has some sort of tube /value thing to the exterior
L522[22:00:57] <cringe> which everyone was less valuble is my guess
L523[22:01:16] <cringe> waste water tank might have other sources making it more valuble
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